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[Music] [Music] crime [Music] [Music] when police called 59-year-old John D Miller in for questioning they asked if
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he knew why they wanted to talk with them according to a probable cause affidavit he replied April 10 Le it's
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Fort Wayne's most notorious Cold Case April 1st 1988 is the last time anyone saw the 8-year-old girl alive police
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canvased her neighborhood after April's mother Janet Tinsley reported her missing 3 Days Later April 4th her body
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was found in a ditch near County Road 68 she was molested suffocated her death ruled a homicide a forensic exam of her
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underwear revealed DNA from an unknown male but it wasn't until 30 years later that police were able to find a match
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DNA from condoms found in 2014 matched the DNA in Tinsley's underwear and in 2018 the suspect's DNA was narrowed down
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to two surviving Brothers John D Miller was one of them police collected several
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items from Miller's trash can located near his trailer in the 13,000 block of Main Street in grael including three
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used condoms and 3 Days Later July 9th 2018 authorities learned the DNA from those condoms was consistent with that
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of the DNA found in Tinsley's underwear in 1988 according to a probable cause affidavit detectives told Miller they
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had a DNA match in the rape and murder of Tinsley that's when Miller admitted to abducting Tinsley from hoglan Street
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in Fort Wayne taking her to his trailer and having sex with her he reportedly told police he choked her to death so
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that she would not report him to the police then he dumped her body the next day
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[Music] that was just one year ago when in July of 2018 and thank God for the arrest
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made in the 30-year-old Cold Case of April Tinsley that clip you heard is from CBS News now we covered April's
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case a while ago back in December of 2015 True Crime garage episode number 7 with this arrest Captain came the
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speculation that John Miller could also be linked to the deli murders Miller was
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later convicted of the murder of 8-year-old April Tinsley and sentenced to 80 years in prison when asked if
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Miller was a possible suspect Indiana State Police Sergeant Kim Riley would not give a a detailed statement saying
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only quote we have a thousand names out there and we are still looking at all of
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them and he added he was being intentionally vague with that statement in the following month this is August
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2018 in an interview with the Gazette a man that we spoke at length about in yesterday's episode Daniel Nations the
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man arrested in Colorado and belied to have some connection possible connection to the deli murders
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as we know he was from Indiana and wanted by the state of Indiana in this interview he denies any involvement in
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the deli murders stating that he gave his DNA samples to Indiana authorities and said quote I just want people to
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know the truth that I am not a monster Nations was sentenced in relation to the threatening charges that
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he faced in Colorado and eventually sentenced in Indiana on unrelated charges for failing to register as a sex
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offender so his statement Daniel Nations is that he gave DNA samples to Indiana authorities again does not mean that
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they have DNA or does do not have DNA and also I'm not asking anybody out there to
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believe this sex offender who refuses to check in and is also guilty of swinging
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a hatchet at people on the trails out in Colorado that's just his words all right
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continuing on the timeline we're going to get another suspect on November 19th 2018 this is when a man entered a
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Catholic supply store in a strip mall in St Louis County Missouri the man was armed and he ordered women in the store
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at gunpoint into the back room once there he ordered them to strip and he sexually assaulted two women before
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shooting another woman in the head 53-year-old Jaimie Schmidt later died after being transported to the hospital
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the man left the store one of the victims called 911 this call came in at 3:19 p.m. responding officers found no
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evidence at the crime scene to help them identify this suspect witness descriptions to police detailed the
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perpetrator as a white male about 5' 7 in tall with a heavy build and aged between 40 and 50 years of
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age the description was updated by police the next day that the perpetrator was 5' 7 in tall to 5T 9 in tall wearing
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a paper boy style hat a navy blue carart style jacket and a red white and black plaid shirt and blue
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jeans officers interviewed workers at neighboring businesses and a server at the Hot Shots Sports Bar recognized the
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description of the suspect as matching that of a man who recently left his business card at the business police
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sifted through the trash found the card and immediately went to his home and arrested Thomas Bruce this Manhunt
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lasted just under 2 days this put Thomas Bruce in the spotlight of the press some
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noted his similar stature of 5' 7 to 5'9 in to the then current suspect description in the deli slangs also he
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was wearing a flat cap which many suspect the bridge guy is wearing a flat cap he was wearing a navy blue jacket
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and blue jeans and his sexual murder attack which he did in broad daylight not unlike the suspect in the deli case
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Indiana State Police did look into this possible connection on December 4th 53-year-old Thomas Bruce was charged
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with no less than 17 felony counts related to the St Louis case and could face the death penalty he was later
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charged in an unrelated case this resulting from a case from September 2018 that involved kidnapping sexual
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assault and robbery now what I find fascinating about this scenario here Captain this Thomas Bruce
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who's obviously a complete monster but there are some similarities I'm not going to say that he looks like the
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bridge guy I'm not going to say that he looks unlike the bridge guy but what really jumps off of the page what you
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trying to say immediately is that he he seems to be wearing a similar outfit to the bridge guy and the outfit is much
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easier to see in that grainy photo than the face of the man mhm so if in fact the bridge gu is wearing a cap this
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would have been a similar style hat he's also wearing a navy blue jacket when he
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commits this crime and blue jeans and again this is a crime that he didn't mind going into this place in the middle
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of broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon and committing this horrible attack that ends the end result is a
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murder yeah here we've got no update as far as Thomas Bruce goes if if there's been anything more to connect him to the
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deli case other than just public speculation on January 8th 2019 Charles Andrew eldrid one ugly
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bastard age 46 was arrested after allegedly arranging to meet for sex with a police officer who was posing as a
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teenage girl mhm he faces multiple charges including two counts of child molestation during the course of news
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coverage of his arrest local Indiana residents noticed his mug shot and said it resembles the sketch of Abby and
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Libby's alleged killer and these calls made their way very quickly to the police tip line after receiving multiple
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calls the Indiana State Police made the following statement quote I can promise you this
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when an arrest is made of a suspect identified as the alleged perpetrator of the deli murders rest assured we will
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let everyone know it is important for the public and the media to know that many similar tips and arrest of other
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persons alleged to be connected to the deli murders occur with some frequency in and outside of
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Indiana each tip whether it receives media attention or not is investigated for or any connection to the deli case
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end quote calling Mr Eldridge an ugly bastard is being very kind to him he's fugly yes yes he's he's fugly not only
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in looks but personality and character this is this is a bad guy this is a disgusting person
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and we talked about him on off the Record he I I can see some resemblance a little bit again but it you're
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questioning what what you think that you're seeing in the picture of the bridge guy right it's so difficult with
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him the bridge guy is to me at least in facial appearance not as fugly as Eldridge he appear to me the bridge guy
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appears younger than Eldridge and probably thinner and smaller Eldridge I don't know if it's
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just that he's so ugly but he like when you see pictures of him he he presents like an opposing stature like a an
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opposing figure it just there's something very evil about that man when I pictures of him know you know that
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face you make when you uh eat a sour patched kid it's like that's the kind of face you make when you see his picture
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yeah it's scary it's scary just two days after this the Indiana State Police say
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that there is no evidence thus far to suggest that Eldridge has any connection to the deli case in a news
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release Randolph County Police said quote outside of the person resembling the sketch there is currently zero
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evidence that ties him to this case right and he is not a suspect in the case although we understand that people
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are trying to help the investigation by doing this with zero evidence other than
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a mere appearance it can also hurt or hinder an investigation the department said in a
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more recent report Captain Dave Burston says there is no evidence suggesting or disproving whether Eldridge is connected
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to the case and this was a similar thing where right when this news broke it was
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like Facebook with nuts and now it's like this the case is solved um even though then it's just you know waiting
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around for the next person that somebody's going to go well this must be it um so so law enforcement's getting a
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lot of tips from armchair detectives a lot of tips from the community but you know what I think is
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interesting there Captain what you were getting into and you're you're exactly right is several times throughout this
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investigation and I think that's where the community stands and where the state of Indiana stands and I would I would
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venture to say say the the the nation as well that this is such a big story such
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a big case something that is on a lot of people's minds and hurts everyone's Hearts right that they want this case
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solved and so there is a bit of a freak out period when when a new person is brought to light as a potential suspect
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as potential Bridge guy there is that little freakout period that goes on now what I will say where I will Pat
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everyone on the back for in the in the general public is that I think that that freakout period was was tempered a bit
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from the first time we saw that happen when Daniel Nations was arrested in Colorado the hype and the freak out in
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the everybody going crazy on the message boards and on social media was so crazy
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that that actually really messed up the investigation and messed things up for the the families and the the living
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victims of this crime and murders because they they they were stuck for a while walking around going [ __ ] people
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think this is has been solved yeah we got to get the word out that it hasn't been solved yeah there were a lot of
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people in the general public that were walking around thinking after Daniel Nations was arrested that this case has
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been solved when in fact no no it has not and so that's where I give some Kudos because I think we all we learned
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a lesson we learned a lesson we yes we've we've learned and and now we've we've able to contain that excitement a
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little bit that's how bad everybody wants to see an arrest in this case but we're able to contain that excitement to
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the point where we're not freaking out and people thinking that the case is closed again Indiana State Police have
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said very clearly when there's an arrest made in the deli murders case we will tell everybody we'll let you know yeah
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so this this brings us to the 2-year anniversary AR of The Disappearance so February 13th 2019 just earlier this
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year 2-year anniversary of liby and aby's disappearance authorities vowed that they would bring the person
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responsible to Justice saying this is not a cold case and I want to back that up everything that I can see Captain
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this thing appears to be very far from cold the prosecutor the Carrol County prosecutor Nicholas MC Leland told
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reporters this case is not closed we are not done with this investigation there are countless people working on this
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every day and Captain remember when the public was reminded several times about what the state police are looking for
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most people have seen the posters and the statements by Indiana State Police that say what is a good tip so what are
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they looking for and anyone who comes forward with information is asked to include the following in if possible so
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if you're going to submit a tip they're hoping that they can get from you your suspect's name the date of birth or
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approximate age a physical description possibly their address Andor vehicle information a specific reason why you
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believe this person should be considered a suspect a possible motive and any possible connection that that person may
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have to the Del by Community but this is not going to be the last person that people get excited about there is going
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to be a murder that takes place and arrest that's made pretty quickly and this is another one that people are
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going to start looking into and and trying to build the connection yes and I feel like there
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there currently are probably two individuals that a lot of people are focusing on right now and we're going to
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get into to both of them this brings us to Saturday March 30th 2019 and this is when a body is found
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just about 6 miles Northwest of Kentland in Newton County Indiana which is Northwest of Carroll County and Deli the
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city of Deli is in Carroll County so not terribly far away and the way that this
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case works out is the prop proper owner finds a body wrapped in a gray blanket on a wooden floor mhm of a
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shipping type container so some people are familiar with this this was actually used as some type of hunting Shack or
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has been referred to at least in the newspapers as a hunting Shack right but sometimes people will take these storage
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shipping type containers that you would see on a I don't know on a barge or on a
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on a train or something like that right and use them as a as a makeshift building yeah sometimes people turn
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these into houses and people that live in the city and have never lived in the country may not understand this but
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there are a lot of people especially Hunters that own property that they may not even live on that they own this
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property it's out in BFE somewhere and once in a while when they can break away from work they go out there and they
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enjoy hunting and fishing and things like that well this property the property owner goes out to this what's
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being referred to as a hunting Shack and finds this body wrapped in this gray blanket and reports the body
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this is around 238 p.m. on March 30th this whole case has really inspired a lot of thought and speculation
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regarding if it in fact could be connected to Deli and I think for several reasons one given the proximity
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to the city of deli and two the headlines are woman found tortured in a hunting Shack or in a shed some of the headlines
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say shed so I think where we see the outdoor type murder there's another belief and there's another connection
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and yeah yeah this may sound I'm sure it doesn't sound silly to anyone but as we go through these the
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more that we bring up it might seem a little strange that there's just one after another after another you got to
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keep in mind that I mean this is just proof that you shouldn't move to Indiana we are doing we are doing
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Indiana no favors in this episode that's for sure this this episode these last two episodes have not been sponsored by
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Indiana we're in Ohio so um we're not not too terribly far but here's here's the the general thought the bridge Guy
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the killer of two young girls out in broad daylight mhm has to be such an evil individual many suspect that either this
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is not the first time that he's killed or if it was it wouldn't be the last and that's why when we see this time and
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time again of something happening of another case happening elsewhere somewhat close if it has any ties at all
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if it has any possible similarities that people are making the jump and they want
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to know more about that case the new case because they want to know if in fact the the monster that committed
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those crimes could be the same monster as the guy on the bridge that day this story is very
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odd and it's actually a pretty simple story when you first hear the headlines tortured woman's body found in a shed or
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in a hunting Shack your imagination runs wild and when you really start to see and and understand the facts of the case
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as we currently understand them weeks later you see that a connection is a little rough but there are some
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interesting things that that if you're fine with it Captain we'll get into after I go through what is believed took
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place in this actual case okay so unfortunately the victim here was eventually identified as Nicole L Bowen
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she is a mother of two she's 30 years old from West Lafayette and of course Foul Play was immediately
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suspected what ends up taking place here and I don't know exactly where the fingerprints were found but they find
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fingerprints either on the body or items used to discard the body or in that shed
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or hunting Shack MH they find fingerprints that are going to lead them to a suspect okay so it wasn't very
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tough for them to find out who they wanted to talk to immediately who they end up talking to
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the owner of the fingerprints is Garrett kurts he is 21 years old of Lebanon Indiana he is it takes some time but
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there is an arrest that's made in fact there are five arrests that are made in this case okay so we have Garrick Curts
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who we're going to spend the most time talking about but we also have Ashley G who is 26 years old she is from Deli
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Indiana we have Christopher Mathias 27 years old of Kentland Jasmine Parker 34 of klin
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and titha Beckley apologize for that Captain but it looks like titha talitha don't
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apologize it's a shitty name 36 years old of montelo so why are so many people arrested in
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this case Curts once arrested he's going to do some talking and I'm sure these others
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did talking as well now I'm a little uncertain of the location but very early on in this case the newspapers were
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reporting that police believed that Bowen was killed elsewhere that she was probably very likely killed miles away
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and that her body was dumped in or around the shed right so right there we can see that the headline of woman found
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tortured in a shed is very different from what actually happened she wasn't tortured in that shed she wasn't held
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captive in that shed abducted elsewhere and brought there what took place was she was just her body was just attempted
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to be concealed there the way this went down is Nicole Bowen has a connection to
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Garrett Curts it sounds like they may have even had a relationship at one time there was
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some kind of beef between Nicole Bowen and this Ashley G I don't know where this was to take
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place but the way that this went down was there was supposed to be the some type of meeting between Bowen and G what
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we can't confirm is if Bowen was going along with this or not if she was into this meeting or if she was brought there
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against her will right what we do know is she arrives at a trailer Garrett CTS brought her to this
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trailer I've heard a couple different um news reports one stating that the the trailer was owned by Garrett Curts the
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other saying that it was owned by Ashley G I can't say who out of this out of this batch of losers owned the trailer
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but anyway Nicole Bowen is brought there she does not want to go into the trailer
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at some point there is an altercation a physical fight that starts to take place
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between her and Ashley G again it's my understanding that Nicole Bowen was a one-time girlfriend possibly
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of kurts and that Ashley G was the current girlfriend of Garrett CTS there's some kind of physical
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altercation a fight breaks out between the two it also sounds like it was expected
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or suspected by others there that this fight would likely take place if the two saw each other face to face oh so these
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these women are going to fight over this piece of [ __ ] I can't say that for certain I've seen
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pictures of this dude and there's videos of this dude online and I don't know why
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ants would fight over this guy he's he's fugly as well here's here's my guess and
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it I don't know that it's been publicly stated but I'm going to go off of mug shot photos and what I strongly suspect
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is happening here I think that all of these individuals that we've named are involved in drugs very likely in
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and this dispute could have been over this this man if you want to call him that or it could have been over
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something else but we do know there was some kind of beef between Bowen and [Music]
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[Music] today all right we're back cheers Mim cheers Captain regarding this are you going to
00:33:00
start patting us on the backside again patting you on the back backside whichever I didn't say backside um
00:33:10
regarding this fight so we where we left off we have Nicole Bowen and Ashley gur
00:33:16
in the middle of a fight a physical fight to which according to the prosecutor in this case Garrett Curts
00:33:26
jumps in the middle of this fight and how he gets involved in this is he puts Nicole Bowen in a headlock wraps his arm
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around her neck he tightens his arm until she goes unconscious till he puts her on the
00:33:43
floor according to the information I could find it it it appears that he did not want her to wake up but this didn't
00:33:52
he didn't just keep choking her he started going throughout the the trailer and finding implements to help him choke
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strangle suffocate her to to lead to her her death all right so there's a fight going
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on he jumps in the middle he puts her in some kind of choke hold she then passes
00:34:13
out and then he's now going around finding objects to help him choker with yes okay yeah so at one point he uses an
00:34:23
extension cord at one point he uses a bag over her head um ropes and so on and so forth were used in this manner that's
00:34:32
why when her body is found they are saying that it appears that she has been tortured meanwhile all these other
00:34:39
disgraces that are standing around in the trailer they do not stop CTS from from killing this woman now at the at
00:34:49
the trailer itself it's just Curts and these other women that we mentioned and again those names are Jasmine Parker
00:34:55
titha Beckley as well as his girlfriend Ashley G so what occurs after Bowen is killed is
00:35:05
Curts gets his vehicle he backs it up to the trailer he places her body inside his vehicle and now he's going to call
00:35:13
Christopher Maas his 27-year-old buddy of Kentland Indiana and say hey I got a body here can you help me and
00:35:23
Christopher Maas will very quickly agree to help help Mr Curts dispose of this body they drove around until they found
00:35:32
what they thought to be the perfect place to dump uh Miss Bowen's body and as we know the body is eventually found
00:35:41
all five of these terrible people are eventually arrested and now they're waiting to go to trial some of them have
00:35:49
had their first day in court it's going to be interesting to see who turns on who and and and how more complete this
00:35:57
story can get because the tricky thing here is it sounds like a lot of this information whether it be verified by
00:36:03
the others or not is in fact being provided by kurts the one good thing out of this whole terrible story is that
00:36:11
kurts is a monster as well as these other four and they are no longer on the street they are locked up and currently
00:36:18
Behind Bars here's where we end up with a lot of problems we've already talked about
00:36:25
where the headlines lead the public and and people to speculate that this Curts individual could be possibly connected
00:36:33
to the deli double slang there is also some consensus that maybe he resembles the bridge guy in
00:36:42
some form there is also people that well this is actually going to stem from the next thing on our timeline
00:36:51
which I think we should get into real quick and we'll s we'll Circle back to Garrett Curts yeah because what happens
00:36:57
next it really changed almost everything that we thought we knew about this case yeah on April 22nd the Indiana
00:37:10
State Police released new Audio new video and a new sketch of the suspect as they announce a new Direction at a press
00:37:20
conference so never before relased video taken from Libby's cell phone shows a man walking toward
00:37:27
the two girls that's released authorities also release more phone audio of a man saying guys so now we
00:37:36
have before we had down the hill now we have guys down the hill they also release a new younger looking sketch of
00:37:45
the suspect who they believe has ties to the deli area authorities say he is between 18 and 40 years old this was a
00:37:55
to say the least Captain this was a very powerful press conference yeah on top of
00:38:02
that we have this like we said this new drawing which goes wow this this uh perpetrator might
00:38:09
have been way younger than we thought he was the new drawing too looks nothing like the old drawing right
00:38:17
so and and so if you thought Daniel Nations look like the first drawing well he doesn't look anything like the second
00:38:24
drawing anybody that was arrested uh like we said people fishing for answers and going hey he kind of looks
00:38:32
like the drawing well now we have a whole new drawing so that just kind of it changes the whole
00:38:38
game yeah so as far as Garrett CTS is concerned and like I said he's one of the one of the big names right now that
00:38:46
people are suspicious of there is audio there's a video of him online where he's saying the word guys
00:38:54
he's saying something guys I got a bent here for a little bit guys and he it doesn't sound unlike what is released
00:39:05
from the police yeah it's a very hard G yeah which when you hear it guys down the hill or or down the hill guys it's a
00:39:18
very like it's just it's almost like a weird accent and then you hear the the comparison audio and you go
00:39:26
I I see where they where they're saying they're similar the only issue that I have with
00:39:33
that is you could not talk about a smaller sample size for comparison purposes it's one single word where
00:39:40
you're taking that from Garrick Curt's when he's he appears to be high or drunk or both smoking a cigarette and he he
00:39:48
when he says guys it almost looks to me like he's inhaling as he says the word guys so I don't know that that's his
00:39:57
natural speak but I guess we also can't say that the bridge guy was talking normally as well during that whole
00:40:05
situation right so a lot of people find that similar um I think that the big thing was that his ex-girlfriend was
00:40:13
from Deli so that would put a connection between him in in the actual location regardless of where she's from or where
00:40:23
she was living he doesn't live terribly far from Deli right so I I take I I put more thought into that than where his
00:40:32
girlfriend's from there's a lot of people from Deli I think that's why it jumps off the page to people immediately
00:40:39
when they're reading the newspaper article going th wait the this guy and these people did this horrible thing
00:40:45
wait there's the word Deli in there well the funny thing is when you first see him he has a shaved head he and he kind
00:40:52
of looks somewhat like maybe the first sketch but then you've if you do some digging in into his background he
00:41:00
actually had longer curly hair which not long curly hair but a little bit not like buzz cut his hair now is buzz cut
00:41:11
couple years back when when the murders took place at that time if you look into
00:41:17
his Facebook pictures and stuff like that he has these curly reddish blonde hair which is basically what they're
00:41:25
they're saying with the new drawing yeah it's weird because I could see where two years ago he may have
00:41:32
looked like the old drawing and today he looks like wait I'm said that wrong rever I could yes I could see where two
00:41:39
years ago when kurts was 19 now keep in mind that would fit within their their age range of 18 to 40 now mind you
00:41:48
that's a very large age range but CTS was 19 I could see possibly him looking like the new sketch and now after two
00:41:57
years of hard drugs and and hard living He looks like the old sketch well and think about what the FBI tells you all
00:42:06
the time when they're looking for somebody look for somebody that has is making changes in their appearance so
00:42:14
when you have evidence on somebody's Facebook page that they had a haircut similar to the new drawing and now when
00:42:21
you see them two years later they have a buzz cut well that's not that big of a deal you got two two years that they
00:42:29
could have changed your haircut but based off of what people have been searching on the internet it seems like
00:42:35
he changed his uh his haircut and his style roughly around the time of the deli murders the other thing that's
00:42:43
there's a few more things about this kurts guy that are kind of freaking people out one um he has a friend that
00:42:50
people have found pictures of on his Facebook page that res resembles the new sketch so people question that also gar
00:43:01
Curt seems to have some not just a tie to Deli because his girlfriend is from there there's speculation that he may
00:43:10
have worked on Ron Logan's property or have some kind of involvement there's people that have done some some good
00:43:20
detective work where they've they've took pictures from uh from interviews with Ron Logan around the time of the
00:43:29
murders that showed his horses in the background where him standing next to a horse and petting the
00:43:36
horse people have found photos on Garrick Kurtz's Facebook page from years ago where these horses appear to be very
00:43:45
similar if not in fact the same horses now these pictures appear in September of
00:43:55
2016 I'm not certain if that's a Tim stamp or if that's when they were posted to his
00:44:01
Facebook but that's an interesting thing there as well before we move on to Gar kurts I also want to throw this out
00:44:10
there and this is yet to be confirmed but I imagine we should know this fairly soon MH there's a lot of speculation now
00:44:18
Garett Curts is is is not a saint uh he's a terrible individual it sounds like maybe he has admitted to killing
00:44:25
Nico Bowen but even all even that one day aside right let's remove that completely from his life he's still not
00:44:34
a saint he's somebody that very obviously has some kind of drug problem he has been arrested before and that's
00:44:43
where the speculation comes in that people are wondering if possibly he was in jail at the time of the murders so I
00:44:50
know that that is being looked into I don't see why that would take very long to find out that information but he's a
00:44:57
relatively new suspect on this list well and a lot of people talk about the press
00:45:03
conference as well there's this uh statement that the sergeant is making and he's talking and kind of randomly he
00:45:11
just he pulls a captain right he randomly gets off subject and starts talking about this movie about some
00:45:17
cabin well I regarding this press conference and the new sketch I I could we could do two
00:45:25
more shows on that and I don't have the information right here in front of me but are we convinced that he says the
00:45:32
cabin and doesn't say the Shack or the sh yeah he he might have said the shack but I guess there I guess there's some
00:45:39
movie where but the there's an issue with that because there is there's a movie called The Cabin there's a movie
00:45:46
called The Shack and they're two very different movies two completely different stories so if you look at
00:45:54
something like the cabin it's it's more of a horror flick where the shack is more of
00:46:02
a kind of a grieving film more of a more of a drama so without having that directly in front
00:46:12
of me I don't know how much I want to talk about that because those are two regarding depending on what says
00:46:20
it's two completely different thoughts that you could put into that possible statement right I just want to say that
00:46:26
that there's a lot of people online saying there there's this statement that we actually covered this press
00:46:33
conference like I think we actually watched it and then recorded off the Record about the press conference and I
00:46:41
I believe at the time we actually mentioned well that's strange it was kind of a strange comment and so because
00:46:49
it's been strange and it kind of stuck out to people once you got this guy arrested and they find the victim in a
00:46:56
in a Shack or slash cabin or whatever you want to call it that's where they start putting the connection with with
00:47:04
this new with this new suspect right so real quick here my my general understanding and again we don't
00:47:11
I don't have his the transcript of of what was said at that press conference right to know if he said sha or cabin
00:47:20
but from my understanding the the story the cabin is more of a horror flick and it involves murder and torture and
00:47:28
things of that nature right where the the film The Shack is more about grieving and coming to an acceptance of
00:47:38
loss yes so I think you're correct so both of them could play both of them work into that yes into his press
00:47:46
conference in a way meaning you know look because you can see the hurt on on the eyes and in the eyes eyes and on the
00:47:56
faces of the investigators at some of these press conferences now Curts is somebody that is of concern of Interest
00:48:05
here one thing I question is his ability to get away with something doesn't I mean if in fact it's willingness to
00:48:14
confess as well willingness to confess if if in fact he did confess somebody did I'm assuming it came from him but
00:48:23
also very quickly asking for help in disposing of the body there's just a lot of a lot of uh mistakes very quickly
00:48:32
made we don't know what mistakes the bridge guy made but Curts is not the last person that would would become a
00:48:40
suspect in the public size because just last month June 22nd at approximately 4:30 in the morning a 26 year-old woman
00:48:50
is driving and she's having some car troubles she pulls over to to the side of the road this puts her on the
00:48:58
property of 55-year-old Paul Eder Paul offers to help this woman she gets a bad feeling and says she doesn't need any
00:49:07
help now despite the issues she is having with the vehicle she drives off anyway Paul Eder decides to follow this
00:49:15
woman that's not creepy I'm not certain how he caught up with her or if in fact her car finally gave out right but
00:49:24
eventually Paul abducts the woman and takes her to his family's Farm where he holds her there for hours and sexually
00:49:32
assaults the woman after several hours he lets her go she reports the abduction and rape and now local law enforcement
00:49:41
is looking for this Paul Eder somehow he manages to evade police for almost five
00:49:49
full days this is until police spot a stolen vehicle a vehicle that that was reported stolen now driving driving this
00:49:58
stolen vehicle is Paul Eder this leads to a 5H hour long standoff with police and the result Paul Eder commits suicide
00:50:08
M Paul Eder is just the latest in a slew of suspects in this case police are very
00:50:14
interested to find out some things about this man first off they want to find out
00:50:20
where he was when he was on the run from police was he staying with somebody did
00:50:25
he drive or travel in another vehicle other than the stolen one that he was later located in right does he have any
00:50:33
connection to the still unsolved Deli murders yeah and he's he seems obviously older than the new sketch but maybe it
00:50:42
makes sense with with the old sketch I just looked up the transcript real quick from the press conference that we were
00:50:50
discussing and in this version of the transcript I can't verify that it's 100 % accurate but it says he references The
00:51:00
Shack okay yeah he says we try so hard to understand how a person could do something like this to two children I
00:51:09
recently watched a movie called The Shack and there's also a book that talks so well about evil about death and about
00:51:18
eternity so it might have nothing sounds like it has nothing to do with with the
00:51:24
actual murderer torture or anything it has more to do with the fact that he's grieving the family's grieving The
00:51:29
community's Grieving and hey this might be uh this sounds like something that possibly help this law enforcement
00:51:38
officer yeah I read a brief description on the the book at shortly after that press
00:51:45
conference and the way that it's described the details of the book say that that a somebody that is grieving
00:51:52
over the loss of somebody goes to this Shack and at The Shack or near the shack they have the ability to speak with um
00:52:01
Jesus with God and with the Holy Spirit and I think it's it's through it's through that that this individual in the
00:52:09
story is able to accept the loss of their loved one yeah and the these are just the I mean we there there's a list
00:52:19
big list that you put out and and each one having some connection with the actual
00:52:27
case some it seems like law enforcement not 100% clearing but at least trying to
00:52:34
get some light to not be shine uh shine so brightly on on certain suspects but uh I wonder how many others
00:52:43
are out there that have flown under the radar well it seems to me like they're willing to law enforcement's willing to
00:52:51
say just enough to try to get the press off their back about about a certain individual not so much to say that
00:52:58
they've cleared this individual I think that they are perfectly happy with continuing under the statement that
00:53:06
they've always said everyone is a suspect and I think they're fine with letting that just be for now
00:53:14
MH so in July of this year just earlier this month July 9th Libby's sister Kelsey took to YouTube
00:53:26
this to debunk conspiracy surrounding the unsolved killings Kelsey first began this post
00:53:35
with a timeline of events the day that she dropped off Libby and Abby near the scenic moanin High
00:53:42
Bridge I want to say something here I've seen people on YouTube and on different websites who
00:53:50
question Kelsey that say that she has changed her her story a bazillion times that the
00:53:57
things that she says does not make sense I I I think these people are fools if they could if they could point out
00:54:05
something that would make sense to me send it our way we got a Blog at true Crim garage.com put something up there
00:54:13
to to make me see the light or understand this differently I think Kelsey says it if you do he'll patch you
00:54:20
on the bottom well she said it best on on her YouTube where she says the the whole week after the murders was a
00:54:28
complete blur so asking us to remember everything completely correct is so I don't even think it's possible I don't
00:54:37
think anybody can remember something specific after something tragic like that happens so keep in mind this is a
00:54:45
is a young woman who who was even 2 years younger and lost her sister her sister was violently murdered after she
00:54:55
dropped her off at this park right so to call her anything other than a a good big
00:55:02
sister I I got no time for you man yeah but I to play Devil's Advocate oh here we go you have
00:55:12
to oh you know it is not solved we don't know everything we don't know every detail I think there's one thing to keep
00:55:22
possibilities open I think it's it's irresponsible when they take um victim's family members and start
00:55:30
throwing them under the bus with little to nothing there but I don't think it's irresponsible to keep open mind on on
00:55:39
certain ideas okay I don't I don't understand what what your point was um okay so the
00:55:47
point is that calm down well your point doesn't my point made perfect sense did it it did
00:55:56
you okay so what I'm asking for clarification right so what I'm saying is yes I understand that you can be
00:56:05
angry at somebody for throwing a victim's family member under the bus I get that but I don't think it's
00:56:13
irresponsible to keep an open mind on we don't know the answers we don't know every
00:56:19
detail uh so to question her to think that there's a possibility that there might be details that are wrong coming
00:56:29
from her or other family members I don't think that's irresponsible but I do think it's
00:56:35
irresponsible when people then you know take something because somebody change her story here and there
00:56:43
and then all of a sudden try to point a guilty finger towards that person well Kelsey went on to stress that her
00:56:54
family has has been nothing but Cooperative with the police investigation keep in mind I'm I'm
00:56:59
really simplifying this and really shortening this a lot because this was a very long video she's really just
00:57:06
addressing the fact that there has been so many people that have stated that somebody in her family is guilty of this
00:57:14
crime and she's just pointing out that they've been nothing but Cooperative in her opinion with the police
00:57:19
investigation saying quote absolutely no one has refused a lie detector test that
00:57:25
is a very big misconception we've been very open and gave the police everything that we know she spoke highly of her
00:57:33
relatives who have been smeared online and noted that aliis and other proof she said showed they had nothing to do with
00:57:42
the killings she also shot down any Rumblings that her family and investigators were not getting along she
00:57:50
then addressed a more specific rumor this stems from when Authority said that Libby's phone pinged off two towers MH
00:57:59
the day she disappeared armchair detectives theorized it must have been because the device was moving around
00:58:06
town but Kelsey said that was not the case Libby's phone did Ping on Two Towers she said but that was because the
00:58:14
town is so small if you move to one side of your house your phone may switch Towers sometimes right and and I think
00:58:25
this is tough for her family too because you have so many people that have been investing time and
00:58:32
energy I mean this this is I mean we covered it early on but we've talked about this case several times on off the
00:58:40
Record and but you know I I agree with you on the idea that some of these individuals they're
00:58:49
not even looking into the idea that somebody might have an alibi or they might have a bunch of evidence to point that
00:58:57
they weren't involved at all and these people online are then not even paying attention to that evidence and just
00:59:06
running with their own Theory because they had a gut feeling or they saw something and went oh that guy that g
00:59:14
guy gives me the heebie jeebies so therefore they're guilty well despite all of the suspects that we have
00:59:20
mentioned on these last two shows this case is far from being solved the Indiana
00:59:29
State Police are still asking for your help the Public's help the FBI did release a list of Behavioral clues that
00:59:39
could help lead investigators to the killer or Killers the agency is asking the public to be on the lookout for
00:59:46
anyone who has exhibited the following signs around the times of the murders changes to their daily daily routines
00:59:56
including modified sleep patterns increased use of alcohol or drugs cleaned or disposed of clothing Andor
01:00:04
shoes that might have been worn on February 13th 2017 missed work or other engagements
01:00:12
anxiety nervousness or irritability excessive attention to the investigation media coverage or lengthy
01:00:21
discussions related to the murders on Monday February 13 2017 the individual or individuals
01:00:30
responsible for these crimes may have been absent from work missed or cancelled an appointment or social
01:00:37
engagements or been unavailable or unresponsive during the afternoon period the FBI explained this in their news
01:00:45
release they State they may have been a no-show or offered a plausible excuse for their absence or tardiness such as
01:00:53
illness death in the the family car trouble Etc if anyone has any information at all or if you have a tip
01:01:03
police want those email to them they have S stated publicly several times this is how they would prefer to receive
01:01:11
tips and you can email any info to Abby and Libby tip at CA sf.com that's Abby and Libby tip
01:01:25
CA hf.com and of course if you have information but you believe that you are in danger please call
01:01:36
[Music] 911 want to thank everybody for listening and joining us in the garage if you have thoughts on this case please
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go to True Crim garage.com and click on the blog do we have any recommended reading this week uh yes Captain this
01:01:57
week we are recommending Kentucky blood bath this is by wild blue press which has really become one of the big
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Publishers for True Crime in the last 5 to 10 years so anything from Wild Blue press I'm always excited about this is
01:02:13
by Kevin solivan who we have recommended his books before this is Kentucky bloodbath 10 bizarre Tales of murder
01:02:20
from the Blue Grass State and you can find that title along with with other recommendations at true Crim garage.com
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on the recommended page I want to thank everybody for sharing these cases on social media and helping to spread the
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