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JonBenet Ramsey film in Colorado six-year-old murder victims on Benet Ramsey unknown intruder her brother
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[Applause] [Music] [Music] find out mr. Ramsey listen carefully we are a group of individuals that
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represent a small foreign faction we respect your business but not the country that it serves at this time we
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have your daughter in our possession she is safe and unharmed if you want her to
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see 1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter you will withdraw 118 thousand dollars from your
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account one hundred thousand dollars will be in $100 bills from the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar
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bills make sure that you bring in adequate size at tache to the bank when you get home you will put the money in a
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brown paper bag I will call you between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. tomorrow to instruct
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you on delivery [Music] the delivery will be exhausting so I advise you to be rested if we monitor
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you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an
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earlier pickup of your daughter any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of
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your dog you will also be denied her remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching over your
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daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you to not provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation
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such as police FBI etc will result in your daughter being beheaded if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies
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if you alert bank authorities she dies if the money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies you will be
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scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies you can try to deceive us but be warned that we are
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familiar with law enforcement countermeasures and tactics you stand a 99% chance of killing your daughter if
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you try to outsmart us follow our instructions and you stand a 100% chance of getting her back you and your family
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are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to grow a brain John you're not the only fat cat
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around so don't think that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us John use that
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good southern common sense of yours it is up to you now John victory sb TC okay most people use the phrase ransom note
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I'm going to call this a ransom letter because as you just heard it is long most ransom notes are short we have your
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daughter we want $500,000 do not involve the police we will contact you this ransom letter is two and a half pages
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long written on your standard run-of-the-mill eight and a half by 11 and 3/4 inch paper now what you're going
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to hear is the captain and I tear through this ransom letter you're going to get our opinions on different pieces
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of this letter as well as the instructions given to John Ramsey on how to get his daughter back our opinions
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are going to be a combination of our personal opinions plus information that we've collected from other sources along
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the way who have scrutinized this same ransom letter I'll start us off captain with this up at the top of the letter at
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the beginning of the letter yeah there is this great website out there that's called statement analysis calm okay so
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some of our thoughts or some of the things that we mention here will include their thoughts as well they are a great
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website because they analyze these types of ransom letters as well as 911 calls and they have experience doing this you
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and I well we got a little bit of experience ourselves doing this as we've been doing it now for several years but
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statement analysis calm they stay as well as a couple of the books that I've read on this case the first line that
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they kind of question is the we are a group of individuals and they point to this because a lot of people says this
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letter as a whole just doesn't make sense right and one thing that I want to keep in mind here and we kind of you
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know did a little running around our discussion last week about this case but I think what's very important in the
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JonBenet Ramsey case to keep in mind when you're looking at each one of these items as we are going to do I think you
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need to stay fluid and you need to stay in the moment of what's going on with the case you know we were talking about
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the police showing up and how they didn't secure the scene and you know people would point out well they don't
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even know if it is a crime if a crime took place right why should they secure it again I believe that you want to stay
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fluid in that moment when you show up you have indicators pointing toward a kidnapping for ransom and so therefore
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it is a crime scene so obviously we do know some things that are going to come to light we can look at those as much as
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we want but in the moment keep him keep in mind in the moment stay fluid as we go through this statement analysis calm
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as well as several other sources again points out that the letter as a whole does not make sense and they
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specifically reference the line of we are a group of individuals pointing out what exactly does that mean
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what does the writer of this letter mean right because every group is comprised of individuals I think it's a lie
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we are a group of individuals you would just say we are a group that's true the other thing too that John Douglas would
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point out in his experience with ransom letters is that often the the kidnapper is the authority in this situation
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they're the ones that are going to call the shots they're the ones demanding the
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ransom you're going to do this or that or this or that's going to happen or not going to happen yeah and he points out
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in his experience that often a you want to perceive a larger threat than what is
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actually going on because you as the kidnapper really only knows what everything that's going on the victims
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don't know everything that's going on they only know what you choose to tell them in your letter right so John
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Douglas would point out hey we are a group of individuals we are a group if it was in fact just one person that
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kidnapped and wrote this letter then that makes sense to him because they would want to present themselves as a
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larger than life a larger threat they're bigger they're scarier it's not just one
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person it's a group right and that evidence is followed back we represent a small foreign faction I
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think just that term is to back up the idea of a group of individuals the small foreign faction makes it seem like
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something bigger then when you get to we respect your business but not we respect
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your business but not the country that it serves yeah again I think that's to back up the small foreign faction this
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sounds very movie like to me yeah my thoughts here they represent a small foreign faction the use of the word
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small doesn't make sense to most because now it's it's the opposite where you say
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we are a group you're trying to make yourself seem bigger the threats seem more real bigger now small is taking
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that down a notch foreign faction sounds scary sounds scary to me but it's weird
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just those words together the use of the word foreign sounds odd even if they would be foreigners to us they likely
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wouldn't call themselves foreigners they would say something like we are the Islamic Jihad right they wouldn't call
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themselves a small foreign faction I think it was cereal cereal wax book where he states even a small foreign
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faction would not call themselves a small foreign faction it's just a weird weird statement yeah but I think right
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away it's it's establishing the mindset you know this individual thinks that they're gonna outsmart people with this
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nonsense I think the biggest thing in the letter to point to that it's not a group of individuals is when he changes
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the narrative and I'm going to say he but when he says I will call you I will call you between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. now
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I'm jumping some lines there but I think that goes back to a group of individuals
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the we turns to I correct and to me that's proof that there was never a we that's like a Freudian slip right yeah
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that's that's interesting because at first analysis for me what my thought was if he's saying and I agree with you
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we'll continue to say he if he is saying we are a group oh and these men have your daughter
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right you follow my instructions maybe he's the leader of this group maybe he's the brains the mastermind behind this
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whole operation and he's the one that's going to be giving the instructions what
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makes that not work that theory not work is as you just pointed out that it starts with we and it ends with I so it
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does change along the way yeah I think some people argue well because he's not with other two individuals so that's
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maybe why he changes to I will call you because they're going to be with your daughter but that's too much information
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it's almost like stadium like once he goes to I again if there's a group well there with your daughter they'll be
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monitoring you I'm not gonna be with your daughter mm-hmm the very strange but I think also we can start by looking
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at this note and I think it's pretty clear to most people that it starts off a little sloppier and gets nicer as we
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go with the handwriting yeah the penmanship yeah not a lot nicer but a little bit nicer and I wonder ok so
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there's so much to get into one where did this individual right to know we we do know that the the paper this came
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from a pad inside the Ramseys a home that's right there was a pen that was found in their home that they believed
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was the pen for the note so this could go multiple ways did the person possibly steal the pad write the
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note and then bring it back my issue with that idea would be well yeah you wrote the note but why would you bring
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back the pad it doesn't make sense to me mm-hmm but the note seems creased which
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to me why would you crease a note if you're writing it in the kitchen or where that pad would be and then you're
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just transferring it over to the steps why crease it at all the crease is very weird to me as well and I'm with you
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that I've never thought of the idea of somebody writing the letter elsewhere and then returning it to the scene not
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that that's impossible anything in this case in particular anything seems to be possible the crease is odd because
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wouldn't your objective your goal as the kidnapper who wants a ransom now there's
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people out there going well we you know we know this and we know that again I'm staying fluid in the moment and
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analyzing this particular item this is evidence as it is in the moment if we are to believe the ransom letter the
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goal of the the author of this letter would be for the parents of this girl to find the letter as soon as possible why
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we know that because of instruction given in the letter do not contact the authorities if they discover their
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daughter missing before they find this letter they could very well screw up that whole
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instruction by not knowing any better and calling the authorities our daughter is missing right we haven't found the
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letter yet why crease it Patsy Ramsey says she finds it on the spiral staircase and it's three pages and has
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laid out side by side so we know that at some point the letter was not to be concealed it was to be obvious it was to
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be found by the parents and for the sake of not contacting the authorities well I'll
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tell you what why don't we try to start at the at the top of the letter and just
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work our way through and try to hit each thing along the way I think it would be
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easier for us all to play along at home the letter starts off addressed to mr. Ramsey not to John Ramsey not to John
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and Patsy not to the parents but to straight-up mr. Ramsey which I find to be interesting for several different
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reasons it's a choice that the author is making it's a choice to only address this to mr. Ramsey a lot of these ransom
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notes that we've seen in the past they don't even need to address it to anyone the line that we have your daughter
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clarifies exactly who the letter was intended for right so it was a choice to address it to mr. Ramsey now one thing
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that a lot of the TV shows and documentaries point out in this case the next line is listen carefully and they
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all point to that being weird because this is a letter it's not a speech it's not somebody shouting threats at
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somebody or calling on the phone this is a letter you're reading the words the words say listen carefully you don't
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listen you're reading I get it that's never seemed weird to me I I've always taken that as just like I'm the
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authority listen carefully here we go yeah I think it's a little strange it almost sounds like something you'd say
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on the phone calling them listen carefully I have your daughter yeah but I also think is it that big of a deal
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probably not but also I wonder if that points in any direction on where they got this possible idea to kidnap a girl
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in the first place all right then we have the letter we respect your business okay we have your daughter we want a
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hundred and eighteen thousand dollars or she dies but all by the way mr. Ramsey here's a mild compliment we respect your
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business right shows that they almost care about mr. Ramsey had some on some level and some people have pointed out
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that if Patsy Ramsey was the author of the Ring some letter that she may have chose to
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mention this to create some kind of distance between John's company and the investigation Brian
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regardless the writer is aware of John Ramsey's business per the letter and that he is successful right if the
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writer is interested in a ransom they are targeting what many believe to be a weird amount of money 118 thousand
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dollars in cash at the ready mm-hmm according to Steve Thomas's book JonBenet inside the Ramsey murder
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investigation from a leading detective on the case the author wrote we do letters do with the do crossed out we we
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do respect your business deck detective Thomas takes that to mean either we do respect your business or the author was
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starting to write out we don't respect your business but then change their mind mid-sentence this this you really have
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to question as it goes to motive right because at this moment in the investigation looking at this letter
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this is supposed to be laying out the motive for what is going on here and it would point out that the author is if
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Thomas is right that they were starting to write don't we don't respect your business right the author is undecided
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if they respect Ramsey's business up in to the point of writing that sentence if
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it is an intruder who wrote the letter it's just we you broke into this man's home and according to the letter to
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kidnap a small child and threaten the parents with the beheading of the child yet you're undecided on how you feel
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about John's business yeah but I also think to me this point says somebody copying a letter mm-hmm my gut feeling
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says that this letter was composed somewhere else and they thought to be I'm gonna be real smart about this and
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get away with it so therefore I'm gonna write the letter inside the house I'll use a pin from inside the house so you
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paper from inside the house I wouldn't bring the layer that I wrote with me and it might have stated we do respect your
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your business but then messed up and then realize well you can just put we respect your business that works too
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but there's obviously there's a edit there but I but I I believe the person is reading off their letter and maybe
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there's not a lot light in the house and so again I also think one of the reasons
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why it's sloppier in the beginning a lot of people when they start writing it it's a little sloppier but I also think
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it's sloppier because this individual is now wearing gloves right so I think you
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know gloves and could be very nervous right and maybe the nerves are easing up as they continue to write I I kind of am
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with Steve Thomas here on his thoughts about believing that the writer was intending to write the word don't we we
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don't or we do not respect your business because we do respect your business or we respect your business is the same
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sentence and it's not necessary to cross out do in that in that moment so that seems weird now the writer goes on to
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say we respect your business but not the country that it serves so are we to believe that Jon Benet was kidnapped and
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then murdered because someone has a hatred for the United States most people would agree this crime is not an
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international incident so it's just weird to put that in there that to play that toward motive we're
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you know maybe there's many factors based in to why you are going to leave this letter but to include we you know
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the the the we don't respect the country that it serves that your business serves
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it just seems a very strange thing I think this is pointing out to what you say it's not a group it's not a small
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foreign faction but if we mention some distaste or hatred for the United States in that same letter it's there too it's
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purposely put there to confirm that we are a foreign entity right right again I think it's as simple as I'm
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gonna throw some of these things in to try to throw you off the scent of who I really am
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but I think the fact that they sit there and say well we respect your business that's a they've made that choice
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therefore they're showing some kind of concern for mr. Ramsay later on they show some concern for him when they say
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you know be rested because the delivery will be exhausting I advise you to be rested you would not put that if you
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didn't care about the person on some level this is another example of people say well this shows that Patsy could
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have wrote the note because she the writer keeps showing affection almost for John on some level captain I respect
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your talent but not the garage that it serves all right deal with that get out of my garage well as you pointed out the
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writer misspells two very common words one of them being business in the other possession however the writer then
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correctly spells the words deviation and attache even including the accent on the
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word attache many believe that the writer purposely misspelled those two words to try to make it look like an
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uneducated person or again a foreign person wrote this note yeah and a lot of people point that to be Patsy Ramsey the
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idea that okay we're sitting down to write this note we're trying to disguise our handwriting so we make it a little
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more sloppy at the beginning that's hard to keep up over two and a half pages so
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that's why the sloppiness goes away but also at first well let me misspell a couple things to throw them off the
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scent and then they kind of forgot about that cuz I don't think there's another misspelling for the next page and a half
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I guess as you point out captain both of the misspellings occur when there is a double s double letter s situation I
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think maybe this could be a tell almost like a signature or fingerprint if in fact this was not
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made up right I want everyone to just stop and think for a minute do you have a couple of words that for whatever
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reason your brain just seems to jumble up the letters in those words or screw up the spelling of those words
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regardless of how often or how many times you look the word up have it autocorrected or ask somebody for the
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spelling captain did you think of any words that that you have trouble with fiche pony hip hop hip hop anonymous
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damn you you give him all the easy ones all the whole English language is very difficult for me to spell anything
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correct I wonder again like you said is it a tell or is it on purpose not on purpose to spell it wrong but is the
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author trying to give us a hint of who it is by making these mistakes so the reason why I say that it could be a
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signature or almost like a fingerprint for the author of the letter would be is if this person always misspells these
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two words and that somebody would be aware of that like for me I know the vacuum and convenient those two words
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I'm like I'm never going to spell them correctly the W for years always screwed me up I think I've straight actually I
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take that back I think I've straightened out my vacuum situation but for whatever
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reason convenient is the most inconvenient word for me because I always want to put the I in a weird spot
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I I will never get it right but anybody that I of course spotted with many times
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may know that that I always have trouble with that word and then they could think
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of ole Nick the extra-crispy Colonel wrote this ransom letter because he jumbled up the I and convenient yeah I
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don't know why you'd put vacuum and a ransom note but it's your ransom note so it's your party I do I didn't write a
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ransom note I just asked everybody to think of some letters some words the that they always have trouble with well
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I want to just mention that we have commas in here so we have some kind of knowledge of writing and we also have
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the big one to me is your right mm-hmm a lot of people get that wrong there's different yours right yeah off the top
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of my head I think all the yours are correct yeah I didn't look at that so I'm guessing that they are and I know a
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lot of people were probably sitting there going I everybody gets those right nope nope
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that's like they're not one of the number one pet peeves I have on Facebook is when people get their yours wrong so
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I worked in a small office years ago as an all foreign faction office yeah and I
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remember there was a conversation that needed to be had mm-hmm if that's even correct grammar probably not but there
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was a conversation that took place in a meeting where they addressed the office as a whole probably not to embarrass one
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or two people in particular but that was the the exact conversation that they had
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to pass down that needed to trickle down to some of the employees your yours are
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always wrong in in your business letters and your emails and this that and the other thing and it's a reflection of
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this company that you don't know how to you don't know proper grammar right it's
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just like when it's there and they're all those like whether and whether those drive me nuts when people get them wrong
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we have your daughter in our possession she is safe and unharmed and if you want
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her to see 1997 you must follow our instructions to the letter so the writer tells us we have your daughter in our
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possession most people would agree the shortest way to say something is the best way to state it especially in a
00:34:46
ransom letter a true kidnapper would have said we have your daughter the words in our possession are simply
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understood and unnecessary and really just in those couple of lines there seems to be several extra and
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unnecessary words next you will withdraw one hundred and eighteen thousand dollars from your account one hundred
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thousand dollars will be in one hundred dollar bills and the remaining eighteen thousand and twenty dollar bills make
00:35:17
sure that you bring an adequate size at tache to the bank the amount of one hundred eighteen thousand dollars this
00:35:24
all things considered is a relatively small amount of money based off of the Ramseys wealth or perceived wealth and
00:35:35
John Ramsey's company is doing very well they just did a billion in annual sales
00:35:41
this was made public we discussed the news articles that came out regarding this John's net worth in 99
00:35:49
six was in the millions and wouldn't you agree a nice round number would be more
00:35:55
typical than 118 thousand dollars so there should be a reason why the writer chose 118 thousand dollars and even John
00:36:06
Ramsey agrees that that number 118 is could be significant to the killer yeah couple things here one if we believe the
00:36:16
writer on what they're stating I'm calling you we have two people that have your
00:36:23
daughter so we at least have three individuals so now you have to split that three ways so I thought we think it
00:36:33
was one person know about what I'm saying is if we believe all the letter yeah we're sister two men watching over
00:36:39
your daughter yeah three table were it a minimum three that makes the amount even
00:36:45
lower everybody's gonna get roughly about 40 grand what's that going to do for you right it it's not worth the risk
00:36:54
of of the amount of prison time that you're signing yourself up for if you get caught right so not a large amount
00:37:02
but that again goes back to the idea that we're probably dealing with one individual and not two or again somebody
00:37:12
that is falsifying a ransom note to cover up a murder and one thing that's been pointed out many many times over
00:37:19
the years in fact it was pointed out very early on in the investigation and the public's investigation into the
00:37:27
Ramseys let's say was that the amount may have been significant because John Ramsey's Christmas bonus or annual bonus
00:37:35
for 1996 was right around the same dollar amount yeah there was actually two things one his same dollar amount
00:37:43
roughly for the bonus and I wonder if this is also kind of a tip of the hat to why I'm asking for this amount because I
00:37:53
know you got it as a bonus mm-hmm so therefore it will be easy for you to give to me
00:38:00
I know it's available possibly so think it leads people to believe that whoever wrote this no if it's not
00:38:08
covering up inside job that it's it's basically stating I know you're bonus you know me but I also think that is
00:38:21
kind of smart I'm gonna make it seem like we're this big organization while actually a small foreign faction but
00:38:29
we're a group of people group of individuals and if you just do what we say and give us this amount that we know
00:38:37
it's pretty small to you this will be done and over with and I almost think that they picked this amount because
00:38:45
they knew it would be available and that possibly because of John's wealth that they'll just go get the money and not
00:38:55
contact the authorities right and the interesting thing here too is we have Steve Thomas who points out that look
00:39:03
that amount could be important because it could be indicative of his annual bonus that he received that year like
00:39:12
you pointed out if somebody else knows that if somebody that wants to stand to gain some money from this whole
00:39:21
situation they know that that money could be readily available rather quickly that this is this is money that
00:39:29
this dude can actually get his hands on we all see people drive fancy cars live in big fancy mansions that doesn't
00:39:37
necessarily mean that they can get a hold of any cash there might be up to debt in the up to debt to their eyeballs
00:39:44
and have no real cash no real liquid money or whatever to pay such a ransom stinky hard cash and then you have to
00:39:53
think about the banking system 118,000 for somebody that's a multi-millionaire they can go in there and get that money
00:40:00
and one transaction right if you make that amount too high half a million or a mil million that's gonna take some time
00:40:10
again the more time that this person has to process this the more likely they are
00:40:16
going to go well we have to contact authorities mm-hmm and so again it becomes this
00:40:26
thing where it's like is this a smart amount because they're just gonna try to get look I don't think the money is the
00:40:34
main purpose for any of this right but but saying fluid in the situation right we discuss it but this is some evidence
00:40:42
that points to that possibly Patsy Ramsey writes the note or John Ramsey or together they constructed this letter
00:40:50
yeah again yeah and I think if they wrote this note together that would make some sense also would make some sense on
00:40:58
why we have some scratch out marks all right oh no don't do that I mean let's just get into the handwriting analysis
00:41:05
John they kind of ruled out as being the the author of it that doesn't mean he didn't help her write it mm-hmm but it
00:41:14
seems like his handwriting samples don't match at all they're gonna scale to 1 to
00:41:18
10 he's a zero but as far as Patsy Ramsey goes she's on the Lois scale of matching handwriting samples she's on a
00:41:31
very low spectrum of that on like a one to ten she's at like a maybe a two but cannot be cleared cannot be clear cannot
00:41:38
be ruled out and what's weird about her to is it seems like there's speculation that she actually can write with both
00:41:46
hands ambidextrous yeah so it's like that's that's a word I want to put into a ransom note
00:41:53
I can drink beer with both hands write a very talented individual so here's what's weird about the amount to me is
00:42:00
this is just like everything else and I don't know if we mentioned this last week captain but I know we've talked
00:42:07
about this and our personal conversations our personal talks about the JonBenet Ramsey case is that even
00:42:15
the sources you go to to try to find the truth to try to sift through all the [ __ ] [ __ ] [ __ ] and just get
00:42:22
to the truth started [ __ ] and the real hardcore evidence the problem with that or even the sources even the good
00:42:29
ones even people that and I agree that we respect they all seem to have an axe to grind they in so
00:42:36
you don't know if you're getting the 100% honest to God's truth so the public perception for a long time was that well
00:42:46
it had to be John Ramsey or Patsy Ramsey that wrote the letter that wrote the ransom letter because they would be the
00:42:52
only ones that would come up with this random amount of 118 thousand dollars they would be aware of that because that
00:42:59
amount was on their brains because of the bonus that he had recently received then you have the others
00:43:07
the Ramsey supporters that will say no you would have anybody there could be several people at his company that would
00:43:15
be aware of that amount there could be people at his bank that would be aware of that amount and the Ramsey's were not
00:43:21
particularly neat freaks and they've had a lot of guests they always are having guests over to their home there are
00:43:30
people that could have worked at their home or could have been there as a guest and could have seen this information
00:43:35
lying about somewhere in the Ramsey home and came up with that amount so why also
00:43:40
there's a strong argument for either in my opinion yeah and I also question how braggadocious Patsy Ramsey was and is it
00:43:49
possible that she was telling people at the Christmas party I will drink up you know because John got a big bonus or
00:43:55
whatever I think that's a possibility as well and there was a lot of people in and out of that house like you said and
00:44:03
you know all it would take would be somebody telling somebody that told somebody that told somebody
00:44:09
but this also amount goes to and I don't want to overlook this too much mr. maryk
00:44:15
I believe his name is there was a guy that was fired Jeff Merrick yeah a guy that eventually
00:44:22
you know John Ramsey said hey this is somebody that we should look into he's making threats and basically his pay was
00:44:30
the the argument that they had was you know around this dollar amount so he was looked into because of these threats and
00:44:39
because John could also prove that this dollar amount was pretty much what they were arguing
00:44:45
/ so he was looked into and his wife was looked into now on the high end of the spectrum I think we talked about him
00:44:52
before merriment mr. Merriman mmm which he was I think tested say I think Patsy Ramsey
00:45:00
wrote the note four times of who she was tested four times again the more and more samples that she gives you now
00:45:09
you're not comparing note to note you're comparing note to four notes and that's
00:45:14
what led us to the bottom of the barrel that she possibly wrote it this guy Merriman he was a he actually wrote the
00:45:23
note I believe seven times and they actually put him on the higher spectrum you know I on a scale of one to ten he's
00:45:32
maybe eight or nine he hit more markers yeah if they're looking for nineteen different markers to indicate this as
00:45:40
the author of the letter he's hitting more of those markers than Patsy Ramsey yeah by ten times and
00:45:47
eventually when they came back and wanted him to write another sample he said look I have rowed enough to fill
00:45:54
the Library of Congress if you want me to write anything more come back with handcuffs hmm this note doesn't make a
00:46:01
lot of sense at all and this amount doesn't make a lot of sense but I know that John Douglas and I believe another
00:46:09
FBI agent profilers have looked at this amount and looked at this note and thought this kind of points to a male
00:46:17
and their late teens maybe early 20s because again because the amount would be significant to them yeah and I owe
00:46:24
you person but I also think that makes a lot of sense and these guys are experts
00:46:31
I mean maybe not as much as I am but they are experts but I also think in question is there somebody else that
00:46:39
this is a lot of this is a bigger amount to where a hundred and eighteen thousand
00:46:46
might not seem like enough of a reason to kidnap somebody but again I don't think that's the reason I think this is
00:46:53
just kind of a icing on the cake and again why not pick a smaller amount just to get it done and over with well
00:47:02
even 118 thousand dollars that's a whole lot of rolling papers yeah so here's the
00:47:08
thing I do want to point out Steve Thomas his book is fantastic regardless if you agree with his opinions and
00:47:15
theories on the case I highly recommend everybody picked that book up and check it out there's a lot of information in
00:47:21
there does he have an axe to grind everybody that we will name I can't speak for the captain but my belief is
00:47:29
everyone that we name and this seems to have an axe to grind but I think it's ego he states well and I but I believe
00:47:38
with Steve Thomas he he firmly believes he's right he has some things that to him point out to him that he is right
00:47:47
and he's just he's just trying to push this out to the public and say look this is what I believe happened and why so
00:47:53
I'm fine with with hearing his opinion one thing he states about this 118 thousand dollar amount this is one thing
00:48:02
that is I've not seen it reported anywhere else so I want to make sure I bring it up here before we move on he
00:48:09
states that there was some notes the he found in John Ramsey's personal I don't know if it was a journal or personal
00:48:18
notes that John Ramsey made about his personal finances and the number 118,000 was significant as it was referenced
00:48:27
within those notes now I don't know if that was liabilities or liquid or what but it was it was significant according
00:48:36
to Steve Thomas in those notes and so he's pointing out forget about the bonus because a lot of people could have known
00:48:43
about that right this could be a number that's significant to John because of his personal financial notes that we
00:48:51
found in his office that's interesting but then we also have a few other interesting takes on this one thing
00:48:59
that's been pointed out many many times and I just have such a big issue with this whole look this case this
00:49:09
investigation is salacious enough without coming up with Halloween stories to add on top of it but there's always
00:49:17
been the the speculation out there throughout the years that oh 118 is significant because it references psalm
00:49:27
118 from the Bible and the family Bible inside the Ramsey home was turned to psalm 118 which discusses child
00:49:35
sacrifice and the Ramseys are Satanists right sorry that just doesn't make any damn sense it doesn't add up number one
00:49:43
number two well and hold on if you're gonna sacrifice one of your kids I mean don't you pick the ugly one I don't know
00:49:52
that I don't know the first thing about child sacrifice or the or sacrificing my
00:49:57
own child but what I will point out is that law enforcement stated first of all the family Bible was not turned to psalm
00:50:06
118 that never happened they never found that to be the case it wasn't marked it
00:50:11
wasn't bookmarked psalm 118 doesn't seem to hold any significance to this case for the Ramseys on top of that read the
00:50:21
Bible psalm 118 doesn't discuss child sacrifice so it's just it's just a theory that's all kinds of wrong it's
00:50:28
interesting it would make for a good movie you know if you're put together a good horror flick that would be
00:50:34
something of interest but it doesn't seem to mean anything now I like what John Douglas States about the amount of
00:50:41
118 thousand dollars he states that you know that if you were to convert that money to another currency Douglass
00:50:50
points out that at the time in 1996 118 thousand dollars roughly translates to a
00:50:56
million pesos see so either pointing out again as a little wink-wink hint situation that this could be a foreign
00:51:07
entity or a foreign person or he also states you know it could be somebody that was younger and looking to flee the
00:51:16
area after receiving the money and and hide out in Mexico yeah so it's interesting that there are
00:51:22
several different reasons for the possibility this this odd amount and again John
00:51:28
Ramsey himself agrees that the the number is probably significant to the killer now the phrase I actually should
00:51:37
say this captain just before moving on also like other things with this case it could have no significance at all it
00:51:44
could just be one of those weird things that's the amount that some crazy sicko on the spot came up with and that's all
00:51:53
you know and that's all it means yeah it's totally a coincidence then we have the phrase your account in the
00:52:01
letter this is interesting the author could have just said the bank you know your get the money from the bank right
00:52:09
and not your account also this is implying that the kidnapper knows that there's that dollar amount at least in
00:52:18
John Ramsey's account then if Patsy Ramsey was the author then we can see how in targeting the note toward her
00:52:27
husband she would use the phrase your account versus my account right make you know make sure that you bring in
00:52:35
adequate size attache to the bank most kidnappers are not going to remind you to bring an adequate size case to hold
00:52:43
the money Plus this has got to be a rather uncommon word I can think of only a handful of times
00:52:52
other than the Ramsey case where I have even heard the word attache used or seen
00:52:58
it on a piece of paper yep I again this to me points I mean we did we got a look
00:53:04
at intelligence level and I would say that this individual writing the note whether it's Patsy or somebody else we
00:53:12
know Patsy has a higher education if it's not Patsy it's somebody else with a higher education because I just don't
00:53:19
think that they would even try to use that word then the suggestion that you be well-rested I'm surprised they didn't
00:53:27
write eat oatmeal for breakfast you're going to need your strength it the kidnapper frankly doesn't give a [ __ ] if
00:53:36
you're well-rested right or not you know doesn't care about your feelings are about your your health your
00:53:42
physical well-being they want their money but again this could be immaturity this could be somebody quoting dumb [ __ ]
00:53:51
from a movie no dressing this could be yeah this could be Patsy not understanding how to be as aggressive as
00:54:00
maybe is she should or this could be somebody that's actually close to the Ramsey family that it this is like a
00:54:08
you're writing too much you're giving too much away and and I think a lot of people believe that little tells like
00:54:16
this point to that it's somebody that knows the family the word attache was written with an accent place over the
00:54:25
letter e most people in the u.s. do not use this special character it it may have been used because the writer wanted
00:54:33
the authorities to believe JonBenet was kidnapped by a foreign faction right the writer may have used
00:54:40
it because he or she is educated the other thing we have to make take into consideration is that JonBenet's name
00:54:50
was written with an accent Patsy Ramsey was accustomed to using the accent when writing her daughter's name yes she was
00:54:58
she wanted her daughter's name to sound French right so you will withdraw 118 thousand
00:55:05
dollars from your account 100 thousand will be in $100 bills in the remaining 18 thousand and $20 bills make sure that
00:55:13
you bring in adequate size aunt a shade to the bank when you get home you will put the money in a brown paper bag I
00:55:20
will call you between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m. tomorrow to instruct you on delivery the delivery will be exhausting
00:55:26
so I advise you to be rested if we monitor you getting the money early we might call you early to arrange an
00:55:33
earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier pickup of your daughter note the author wrote delivery of your
00:55:41
daughter if you see this on pay if you go and look up the actual paper write the author wrote delivery of your
00:55:49
daughter crossed out delivery and wrote pick up of your daughter so it reads mistakes
00:55:56
and all we might call you early to arrange an earlier delivery of the money and hence an earlier delivery pickup of
00:56:04
your daughter the writer started to say that upon receiving the money he or they would
00:56:11
deliver JonBenet to the parents then realizing that a kidnapper would not deliver the hostage right but would tell
00:56:19
the family where she could be found therefore he changed it to pick up it's doubtful that a a well-thought-out
00:56:27
kidnapper would make this mistake it's a strong indication that the the writer was not an experienced criminal yeah
00:56:35
which makes this case even more baffling because that note makes a lot more sense
00:56:41
if if it's Patsy right in the note and just really bad at writing a ransom note to cover it up and this is one of the
00:56:50
points where she goes and hence right mm-hm she was kind of commonly known to use that phrase and I believe even
00:57:00
Bourke uses that phrase when he when he's questioned by authorities but again is this immaturity is this somebody
00:57:11
that's just trying to throw people off the scent but also we might do this earlier instead of the call I wonder if
00:57:22
you're viewing Patsy as the author is this setting up for them to change the plans on the police if they have to but
00:57:33
I also think that depending on when you wrote this note and in in what manner you did this would be kind of a weird
00:57:41
thing to kind of come up with off the top of your head yeah let's there's a lot to really dive into in this couple
00:57:49
sentences I believe so first the word monitor implies a continual surveillance this is further emphasized when the
00:57:58
writer states you and your family are under constant constant scrutiny the kidnapper would have us believe they are
00:58:05
continually watching the Ramsey which is very highly unlikely one but two goes back to that line of if we you
00:58:16
know if we see you getting the money earlier we're going to will make earlier arrangements to return your daughter
00:58:23
right it kind of its kind of underlining that yeah we are watching you and we will
00:58:28
know when you go to get the money the word hence as you pointed out is incredibly interesting it's not a common
00:58:37
word the word hence is a formal way of saying therefore the writer starts out the ransom note misspelling words giving
00:58:44
the appearance that they are uneducated however his or their educational level begins to show when they use words such
00:58:54
as hence we see the same writing style in the Ramseys Christmas message on December 14th 1997 the first United
00:59:05
Methodist Church in Boulder Colorado held a memorial service for JonBenet in the program there was a message a
00:59:12
Christmas message from the Ramsey family this message was also posted on the Ramsey family's website in the message
00:59:21
we find the statement had there been no birth of Christ there would be no hope of eternal life and hence no hope of
00:59:30
ever being with our loved ones again yeah it's suspicious but if there's also a enhance in their Christmas letter
00:59:39
maybe it's again somebody that got that Christmas letter but this is the year after she was
00:59:45
killed no but didn't you say that there was and that there was a in the original
00:59:49
Christmas Christmas letter that people would have got in 1996 as their know and hence and that one I would have to go
00:59:57
back and review that I don't believe that there is a and hence but there this this fact is from their December 14 1997
01:00:07
message this is a memorial to Jon Benet right so that's very suspicious towards Patsy Ramsey
01:00:14
but if again like I said Burke time says and hence and his I guess you can call it interrogation tapes
01:00:25
questioning tapes is it just somebody that's close to the family and knows that and hence is something that Patsy
01:00:33
Ramsey uses so therefore I use it and my letter not so much suspicious towards Patsy
01:00:40
Ramsey but more of a clue that hey I know you or close you know you want to hear one sad thing you you mentioned
01:00:49
their Christmas letter and I I forgot about this this there's so many things involved in this case so many details
01:00:57
involved in this case and regarding their Christmas letter that we we discussed last week that they sent out
01:01:04
to their friends and family yeah they sent it out so late in December I believe I've heard the statement that
01:01:14
everyone but just for the sake of being fair and not having that in my notes specifically I will state that that that
01:01:25
statement was most of the people receiving most of the recipients of that letter received it on December 26th the
01:01:34
same day that they had to tell friends and family that Jon Benet was killed right so just what a sad sad thing for
01:01:43
friends and family you get this happy cheery message about the Ramsey family and then find out that same day the
01:01:52
little girl that you read about in their Christmas message has been killed yeah also in these statements in this letter
01:01:58
we have an unnecessary word over any deviation of my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your
01:02:06
daughter you will also be denied her remains for proper burial the two gentlemen watching
01:02:12
over your daughter unnecessary words are words that can be taken out of a sentence taken out of this letter
01:02:19
completely in the sentence still makes sense the writer could have stated the two gentlemen watching your daughter
01:02:26
extra words give us extra information what is the difference between watching over someone and watching
01:02:33
someone according to statement analysis dot-com they say the best example is in reference to God if someone were to say
01:02:41
that God is watching over me then you have God keeping his distance he sees the person he or she I don't want to get
01:02:49
into that argument he or she sees the person but also sees the entire world at the same time God can see the person
01:02:58
because they are a part of the world while God is watching over that person they are also watching over others the
01:03:06
word over means God is spreading his watchful eye upon the earth now if someone were to write or to say God is
01:03:16
watching you it becomes more personal it's a focused attention right another example would be if a friend asks you to
01:03:25
watch over his house while he was out of town in this case he probably wants you
01:03:32
to stop by every once in a while and make sure everything is okay maybe you'll pick up the mail water the plants
01:03:39
whatever however if he asks you to watch his house he probably wants you to house
01:03:47
it to stay there right he wants you to be there where you can keep a close eye on things so December 26 I think
01:03:55
something else that we should point out is this would have been a Thursday so yes people are off work normally on
01:04:04
Christmas but there's a lot of people that go back to work on that Thursday so if it's not written by Patsy Ramsey I
01:04:13
believe it would have to be written by somebody that knew that they had time to do this that day possibly somebody that
01:04:22
doesn't have a job or or is off work which could be a lot of people mm-hmm I think it's important to point out well
01:04:34
Santa Claus just spent the whole time working just before that so I'm sure he is off and resting on that day statement
01:04:42
analysis goes on while we're talking about words that are unnecessary they go on to add in a kidnapping the
01:04:48
kidnappers should be watching the abductee meaning the word watching is also unnecessary it would be understood
01:04:56
they will want to keep a close eye on her they want to make sure she does not escape or alert someone that she needs
01:05:04
help they will want to make sure she doesn't harm herself if her being alive is dependent upon them receiving the
01:05:11
ransom when the writer of the ransom note said they were watching over Jon Benet the writer was telling us they
01:05:19
were not keeping a close eye on her there are only two reasons why you would not closely watch your hostage one if
01:05:29
you knew for certain she was alright and could not escape or two if you knew she
01:05:35
was dead yeah since a dead body isn't going anywhere it is something you watch over not keep
01:05:43
a close eye on right so let's be clear about this if it's Patsy Ramsey or somebody in the Ramsey household then we
01:05:51
know that JonBenet is dead and so some of this stuff points to that right my issue has always been the person if it's
01:06:05
an intruder they had time so why wouldn't you write the note beforehand if the goal was to take Jon Benet out of
01:06:15
the house the whole kidnapping just be a ruse they maybe they didn't even want money they just are gonna use this as a
01:06:26
ruse to give them more time right watching over and all that stuff might not make any sense
01:06:33
i to me it's less likely that the intruder takes her to the basement kills our on purpose around an accident and
01:06:45
then decides to write a note my gut feeling it says if it's an intruder the note was written before the death of
01:06:54
John a hmm and it's just and maturity not a seasoned criminal not a you know but I also think a lot of the
01:07:04
stuff is leading to somebody with them decent education decent ability to write I believe the person is giving too many
01:07:13
clues on that they're close to the family and again I don't know if the the dollar amount matters at all mm-hmm yeah
01:07:22
I want to stay on this for a little bit because I personally do not believe that
01:07:25
the what statement analysis com is stating here in its simplest form is that based on the language used in the
01:07:34
letter it appears that the writer already knew that John Binet was dead when writing the ransom note right I
01:07:41
don't really firmly agree with that and I think that when they say that they are
01:07:46
trying to indicate that that means that it has to be Patsy and John or Patsy by herself writing this letter already
01:07:54
knowing that the daughter is dead right I I don't believe that so much but staying staying on this idea of
01:08:03
additional words or unnecessary words I go back to the we are a small foreign faction we are a group of individuals
01:08:10
the men watching over your daughter this is a group the watching over could actually apply the watching over your
01:08:20
daughter could make sense as we can't assume we know everything that the kidnapper has planned regardless of the
01:08:27
long letter left on the spiral staircase this watching over could be intended to
01:08:32
imply simply the men took your daughter I am the mastermind of this operation and I'm leaving the ransom note after
01:08:39
the fact they are elsewhere watching over your daughter right the two men watching over your daughter do not
01:08:47
particularly like you when we look at a copy of the ransom letter we find the writer originally wrote do particularly
01:08:55
like you the word not was written above the space between the words do and particularly a line was then drawn
01:09:04
indicating that the word not should be inserted between these words alright then we have any deviation
01:09:11
my instructions will result in the immediate execution of your daughter you will also be denied her remains for
01:09:18
proper burial the two gentlemen I'm watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you
01:09:23
not to provoke them speaking to anyone about your situation such as police FBI etc will result in your daughter being
01:09:32
beheaded saying that JonBenet will be beheaded is very unusual statement analysis says in the United States we
01:09:41
generally do not talk about beheading people this was put in the note in their opinion to make it look like a foreign
01:09:48
faction was being behind this kidnapping right now for me captain this is the line that I have always questioned the
01:09:56
most let's say Jon Benet died in some kind of accident and then the parents covered it up which
01:10:03
is a very popular theory so they cover it up and then write this ransom letter they would still be very upset about the
01:10:12
death of their small child they would still be grieving parents in a way I can't I have a very difficult time
01:10:21
believing that parents for any reason would reference the beheading of their own child right that it's not necessary
01:10:30
to throw that in that note to cover up an accidental death or something else yeah the small foreign faction and the
01:10:37
beheading makes me think and the season right tis the season for one of the best
01:10:44
Christmas movies of all time and if you don't think it's a Christmas movie you're just wrong
01:10:48
die hard it makes me think that somebody watched die hard too much and went oh yeah foreign faction you know beheading
01:10:56
this is the terms that they would use right if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies if you alert bank
01:11:04
authorities she dies if the money is in any way marked or tampered with she dies
01:11:09
you will be scanned for electronic devices and if any are found she dies four times the writer uses the phrase
01:11:17
she dies if Jon Benet was still alive the writer should have been speaking in the future
01:11:25
she will die this is a strong indication that the RET the writer again knows that
01:11:31
JonBenet was dead at the time this is again that same website kind of pointing out to that we could have a cover-up
01:11:39
here by the parents yeah again the cover-up makes more sense than but as far as the she dies okay Walt and
01:11:47
she they would say well she will die this could be somebody going well that's this would sound more like a terrorist
01:11:57
would talk that's right she dies and then after this she dies this this is this would be the terrorist or the
01:12:06
threat level being turned up crank it up to eleven right scare the hell out of the out of the parents now I really like
01:12:13
this portion that I found here it states there are three times when the writer used an exclamation point exclamation
01:12:20
points as we all know are used to add emphasis to the statement listen carefully this has an exclamation point
01:12:29
in talking about killing Jon Benet the writer does not use any exclamation points four times the writer wrote she
01:12:38
dies we would expect this to be a point of emphasis in the letter but did not use them when talking about killing Jon
01:12:48
Benet this too may indicate that Jon Benet was already dead in the author knew this at this time there are and you
01:12:56
you've been kind of hinting at this all day long here there are several movie references or close to quotes found
01:13:04
within this ransom letter in the movie Dirty Harry inspector Harry Callahan Clint Eastwood I loved Clint Eastwood is
01:13:12
looking for Scorpio a man who kidnapped a little girl when talking to Scorpio on
01:13:18
the phone several times Scorpio tells inspector Calahan that if he does not follow his orders the girl dies as
01:13:25
opposed to saying the girl will die in the movie the girl was already dead in the ransom note Jon Benet was already
01:13:34
dead another very interesting thing is the letter only names John Ramzi by name no one else first it's mr.
01:13:42
Ramsay and then simply John yeah the note is addressed to mr. Ramsay however towards the end of the letter mr. Ramsay
01:13:51
becomes John well I'd only have a practice note at some point yes where it's a it's addressed to both of them so
01:14:00
in the believed or what is called the rough draft or the first draft often referred to as the practice note
01:14:08
practice letter they find in the same notepad it's believed that that this ransom letter came from the same notepad
01:14:18
that they later found at the top of a page somebody wrote mr. and mrs. I it looks like I because what the the
01:14:29
authorities state is it that is the downstroke for a capital R that the intention was for it to be mr. and mrs.
01:14:39
Ramsay and then before even completing the capital R the author changed their mind and then decided to address the
01:14:47
letter simply to mr. Ramsay just to John Wright which look this is a pad that the
01:14:56
this stuff drives me nuts because it's like the the housekeeper could have said I'm gonna write a note real quick - mr.
01:15:02
and mrs. Ramsay or anybody else that worked at the house gonna sit down so yes they believe it's possibly a
01:15:10
practice note but there's also other explanations or other things that you can speculate that it's that there was
01:15:19
no practice no we don't have anybody to claim that that that little letter right
01:15:26
there you know the mr. mrs. I write I think if somebody were to claim that it would be easily more easy to dismiss but
01:15:36
because we don't have that it may appear to most that a possible practice letter
01:15:41
nobody's saying definitively that it was right but there is evidence to certainly
01:15:46
point that it could be you and your family are under constant scrutiny as well as the authorities don't try to
01:15:52
a brain John you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that killing will be difficult don't underestimate us
01:16:00
John use that good southern common sense of yours it is up to you now John again
01:16:06
this is pointing I think to somebody that's closer to the family then this small foreign faction but also it simply
01:16:16
can put point towards Patsy Ramsey well yeah I mean this is an indicator that the the author of the letter has some
01:16:25
general knowledge of John it's it's same as the the dollar amount right it's same
01:16:30
as knowing that he would be able to pay this amount use that good southern sense
01:16:36
of yours that good southern common sense of knowing that he's from Elena right and then addressing him as John I'll
01:16:43
tell you what though for all the reasons that many people point out that the letter itself shows
01:16:49
no level of criminal sophistication I want to point to one sentence that I believe shows a good deal of
01:16:58
understanding and criminal sophistication regarding getting the ransom and that is don't try to grow a
01:17:07
brain John and we know that that's referenced probably from a movie from from speed where he says don't grow
01:17:16
brain I'm on top of you or says something like that and that that's a that's an individual that's looking to
01:17:21
collect a ransom in the movie but this line right here captain you are not the only fat cat around so don't think that
01:17:28
killing will be difficult that to me shows some criminal sophistication right there that to me is the person who's
01:17:36
demanding the ransom to say you know what on top of that don't deviate from these things because there's a lot of
01:17:42
people to say well you don't pay a ransom because you know right away that the killer that the abductor will not
01:17:48
kill the abducted person the abductee because if they do kill then the likelihood of getting the ransom goes
01:17:58
down significantly they've not they've not upheld their end of the bargain everything like this line because
01:18:04
they're saying don't deviate from us because guess what we don't care we will kill your daughter and then we will take
01:18:10
somebody else's kid and we'll give them a ransom and somebody will pay us eventually so don't try to outsmart us
01:18:17
here just be this is a very short way of saying don't try to outsmart us here just do the right thing and pay us
01:18:23
because we'll do this again we're not we're not worried about giving you your daughter back we're not worried about
01:18:28
losing out on the ransom because we because you screw up and we have to kill her well so you have one line that we
01:18:34
believe is coming from Dirty Harry but you say that there's a kidnapping there so that's interesting and then the fact
01:18:41
that there's another line that we go oh that might be from speed and there's a ransom there I wonder if we're missing
01:18:48
other lines from movies well in Dirty Harry there's the line if we catch you talking to a stray dog she dies well
01:18:56
sorry that's from the the ransom letter but it sounds like from Dirty Harry if we if you talk to anyone even if it's a
01:19:06
Pekinese on a lamppost peeing on a lamppost the girl dies dad's from Dirty Harry Harry are we missing some other
01:19:14
references to movies and to me then that's a again I I find it hard to think that John and Patsy their daughter is
01:19:26
it's an accidental death right and they're trying to cover up for their son this is their child doesn't have to be
01:19:34
cover up for their son though there's you know anybody could write directive the accidental death but it right right
01:19:40
you're right but what I'm saying is this is our beloved daughter this is I love somebody point somebody said well even
01:19:51
if they didn't care about their daughter they would have they would have been upset about their investment who makes
01:19:56
those claims towards parents there there is no evidence that John and Pat's patsy
01:20:03
were horrible Satan worshippers and didn't give a [ __ ] about their little daughter so if there's there was an
01:20:10
accidental death whoever is responsible at the end of the day we have a dead six-year-old daughter
01:20:18
so I think for them to sit around and come up with this letter to me it's cutesy oh well throw in that line about
01:20:26
whether you don't what the Dirty Harry's say oh yeah say something like that what
01:20:31
was that movie Lowe's that line in speed yeah say something like that it's too cutesy hmm that their
01:20:39
six-year-old daughter died and it and in this case for whatever reason it's like
01:20:45
oh well they got a little bit of money that doesn't make a monster's she spent a lot of time with her daughter no
01:20:52
matter what you think that is you know the and I am also so sick and tired of people going well they they set her up
01:20:58
and they put her in a position where there's all these pedophiles and and so really even if they didn't kill her if
01:21:06
they're not covering up an accidental death that they really brought this upon their daughter
01:21:10
I'll give me a break your kids ain't safe anywhere I have friends I've been molested by
01:21:17
teachers counselors Boy Scout leaders bus drivers soccer coaches priests pedophiles are everywhere so it's just
01:21:29
the the claims that we can make when there's no evidence beforehand or afterwards of them being horrible
01:21:38
malicious people it's just it doesn't make a lot of sense to me like I said it's too cutesy oh let's try to throw in
01:21:45
some movie quotes well there's no evidence of them being horrible malicious people beforehand either sorry
01:21:52
this to me is the most interesting portion of the letter and actually it's what is not in the letter Patsy is not
01:22:00
named JonBenet is not named but is referenced as your daughter or she right this is interesting because what if it's
01:22:09
possible that the person that wrote the letter did not know the little girl's name or at the very least did not know
01:22:19
how to spell JonBenet that's not a common name I can't think of anybody else that shares that name right is it
01:22:27
possible that they avoided that name because they didn't know how to spell also could the intruder have only known John
01:22:35
Ramsey's name yeah it's a difficult one because you think you know with the intruder theory a lot of people go this
01:22:43
this person must have been obsessed with this little girl well if you're obsessed
01:22:48
with her warning you know how to spell her name and also if you wrote the note beforehand and then brought it with you
01:22:54
or or wrote a note beforehand and brought that with you and then copied it down and you were obsessed with her why
01:23:01
no why wouldn't you put her name but again maybe there's all these little tells that if it's an intruder that they
01:23:09
know the family well right but maybe that was their their I am trying to disagree with that I think that it the
01:23:18
only indicators that we have is that the intruder may know John well again pointing out no Patsy no Jon Benet all
01:23:27
the references that that would indicate that they know of the family and maybe you're just using family in a loose term
01:23:33
there right but it's all towards John mr. Ramsey John we respect your business we know
01:23:41
that you're wealthy with 118 thousand dollars use that good southern sense of yours right all John and there are
01:23:50
theories out there intruder theories that persons believe that the intruder yeah did they do some
01:23:58
horrible things to jump in a yeah they killed her but the the the intent was to was to harm John Ramsey right be it on
01:24:07
an emotional level or whatever not on a physical level but that that was the motivating factor for the death for the
01:24:14
murder or the abduction of this little girl was to hurt and possibly destroy John Ramsey that the the killer or the
01:24:22
abductor hat was seeking revenge against him or was or sought to destroy this man
01:24:27
yeah it makes sense to just focus it on John if you're if the writer is Patsy cuz what would make you think that you
01:24:36
should focus on yourself right so that's where I think people go this had to be Patsy's doing and here's the thing too
01:24:43
and I'm glad you point that out because that's something I think most people kind of skip over
01:24:47
when they look at this case you hear so many people go oh it was the parents or it had to be the parents you can run
01:24:55
different scenarios in your head where it doesn't have to be the parents it could be a parent right it could have
01:25:01
been one or the other it doesn't have to be a united front of of the - right but
01:25:08
you killed covered up and then it's the two of them against the world going forward right because what's interesting
01:25:14
in this case is you have a lot of people that think patsy was up all night long and that her husband he took a sleeping
01:25:23
aid so he passed out and what if all this stuff happened and now she is responsible where she feels that she's
01:25:31
responsible and she doesn't think that John will understand so that she has to cover this all up on her own it's
01:25:39
possible but I also think when I think about the intruder theory is that maybe this person had a affection for Patsy as
01:25:50
well and that that's why they didn't put her in the letter they didn't name her you I mean like if I'm gonna talk trash
01:25:57
to somebody I'll talk a little I'll talk a little stick to John but I want it do
01:26:03
that - Patsy so I'm not gonna do that in the letter when you say that this individual would have it out for John
01:26:09
right mmm the evidence against that is if you have more hatred towards somebody you're not
01:26:18
gonna be so polite you're gonna say you're gonna spew a lot more venom and that doesn't happen and you know you
01:26:25
know don't think you're the only fat cat around don't white like so you're you're
01:26:31
kind of giving them a compliment just in that statement you'd think a lot of more
01:26:37
of like John use a piece of [ __ ] and you're gonna pay us and you know you're a horrible person and your and your
01:26:45
business sucks yeah I mean like but they're too complimentary to him so I I doubt the
01:26:55
hatred then we have the weird ending of the letter the victory s BTC yeah s BTC it appears there's no period after
01:27:06
the letter C just after the other three letters people have for so many years have wondered what could SBT C mean that
01:27:15
has always been one of the most popular questions in this case one of the most popular theories is that it stands for
01:27:22
Subic Bay training center right Subic Bay is a Bay on the west coast of the island of Luzon in the Philippines about
01:27:32
100 kilometers northwest of mulana Bay an extension of the South China Sea its shores were formerly the site of a major
01:27:43
United States Navy facility named u.s. Naval Base Subic Bay which is now the location of an industrial and commercial
01:27:52
area known as the subic bay freeport zone on derp the Subic Bay metropolitan Authority we point this out because many
01:28:02
people have suggested that John Ramsey who was stationed as Subic Bay may have come up with this SB TC because it means
01:28:15
Subic Bay training center however in the description that we just gave you it clearly tells you that there is no
01:28:22
entity that exists with that name right Subic Bay training center that's not what that place was called and as far as
01:28:30
I could find there is no training facility stationed there that nobody would have any reason to refer to the
01:28:38
United States Navy facility named US Naval Base Subic Bay as Subic Bay training center another possibility
01:28:47
captain is the SB TC could mean Saved by the Cross which could mean a number of different things statement analysis says
01:28:55
this is because of the Ramsey's professed faith in God and because the word victory precedes the initials SB TC
01:29:05
as all Christians know it is through Christ's sacrifice on the cross that we have victory
01:29:12
over death the Ramseys were religious and attended church as we mentioned in the timeline patsy beat cancer - and it
01:29:21
has also been suggested that saved by the cross as a reference to Patsy's victory over cancer SB TC could could
01:29:30
have meaning to the perpetrator or to the perpetrators relationship to the Ramseys or JonBenet or what is probably
01:29:38
the most likely situation is that it means nothing at all then it has no real relevance to the case at all
01:29:47
mm-hmm I believe Patsy at one point when asked what SB TC could mean she said son
01:29:52
of a [ __ ] Tom Carter which was someone the family knew but that of course just
01:30:00
seems like like kooky talk I mean it's just yeah she had no filter really right right well I you know what I do like
01:30:08
that about her there is a certain charm John has too much filter right and then Patsy has no filter yeah it's uh
01:30:17
son of a [ __ ] Tom card well there is a guy that they they look into and one of
01:30:23
the new documentaries where he would sign his name he had like aliases and the tea would stand for truth so it was
01:30:33
his alias but he would put truth in there but again they they once you do more research they you go while this guy
01:30:41
was connected to Colorado but he couldn't have been there at the time so I think everybody's grabbing at straws
01:30:49
for this one I question the letters themselves so SB TC that's what we're assuming it is because again I think one
01:31:01
of the things that really points to the fact that Patsy didn't write this note because if she's calling 911 not much
01:31:10
after she already wrote the note right it could have been minutes could have been hours right and they asked her who
01:31:19
wrote the note who's it from and you almost hear you have to you almost hear the thinking
01:31:26
the wheels turning and she has to go to the back and say SBT C then she reads up
01:31:33
victory mm-hmm if she wrote this note she wouldn't yeah your your knee-jerk reaction would be to say victory SBT C
01:31:43
or just simply SVTC yeah without a pause who wrote the note SBT C okay well more likely that she
01:31:50
wrote the note but when she has to search through it because she claims she didn't even read the whole note mm-hmm
01:31:56
she got to the point where they you have my daughter oh [ __ ] I gotta go check on
01:32:01
my daughter oh [ __ ] John John yeah come help me oh we you know John maybe reads the note maybe
01:32:09
doesn't maybe gets to the same part we got to call the police and then at some point you're going hell [ __ ] now we call
01:32:15
the police but they're telling us not to call the police but again she reads up and she says SBT C victory mm-hmm if she
01:32:23
wrote the note like you said start with victory SBT C or say SBT C quicker I question the letters and this is what I
01:32:34
mean by this Patsy Ramsey is the one that determined this is SBT see this is pretty sloppy handwriting I don't know
01:32:43
if that T is a T or if it was supposed to be possibly a J and J because if you look at every other T son-of-a-bitch
01:32:52
John Carter some of the pictures if you look at every other T the bottom swoosh of the T goes out to the right and when
01:33:04
you look at this T it almost looks like there's a dot well it is a felt-tip pen okay so I do want to throw this in there
01:33:15
according to Steve Thomas they had verification from the Secret Service the United States Secret Service that one of
01:33:23
the felt tip pens in the little you know everybody's got their little pen and pencil holder that contains multiple
01:33:29
pens and pencils that that pen and pencil holder contained a felt-tip pen that authored the letter
01:33:38
according to state Thomas and according to what he states is proof from the Secret Service that
01:33:45
they were able to determine that the the dye or the ink I guess would be better to say hmm was was a perfect match for
01:33:54
one particular pen in that that holder well I point that out felt-tip pen because if you anybody that's used them
01:34:03
often knows if you just kind of hesitate to pick up your pen it will leave what what looks to be a dot at the bottom of
01:34:13
a letter or at the at the end of a stroke that you just finished yeah which I get but again I think this is more
01:34:21
deliberate and the reason why is because look at every you when they y-o-u right at the bottom of the why what
01:34:29
happens with their pen naturally goes to the right look at a hundred percent when
01:34:37
they make the percent sign where does the pen go naturally to the right do you see that what was the last one you just
01:34:45
stated I'm reviewing the use so if you look at the use at the bottom of the why always starts curving to the right even
01:34:54
on the on the DS the bottom of the DS oh if you look at the word you when you say
01:34:59
you I thought you meant to letter you yeah you're right with the the Y at the start of the word you and at the end of
01:35:09
the word victory I can see right here on page three yeah it goes to the right a little bit yeah and then if you look at
01:35:16
100% at the bottom of the % it goes to the to the right and that happens over and over almost every Y goes down and to
01:35:27
the right us even the F and you're right on the a goes to the left well on the T
01:35:35
it goes to the left making it a possible J yes just but only on the SB TC so I think it's possible that the person
01:35:49
started hurrying through this a little bit more and that is a s jay-c right could be yeah and could this
01:35:59
old son of [ __ ] Jesus Christ is that what it is no no it could mean anything again it could mean nothing at all could
01:36:09
be here look the truth of the matter at the end of the day is the ransom note is
01:36:14
a farce however you want to spin it whoever you believe to be involved it's a fake meaning whoever wrote it never
01:36:24
intended to receive any ransom I believe that 100% okay so what you're saying is
01:36:30
if it's written by somebody in the family they're covering up their make it there they're making it look like it's
01:36:36
something else and if they're covering up an accident or they're covering up a murder yeah
01:36:41
okay if it's an intruder it could just be a false it could be a farce from the beginning and they're still planning on
01:36:51
taking her and that just doesn't work out and then they left the scene and move about their business I think it
01:36:59
very likely that given what we we know of the wine cellar and what we suspect of the body of Jon Benet that if this
01:37:11
person or this group had any intention of taking this little girl and removing her from the home that this letter was
01:37:19
constructed to buy them time meaning when the the thing with the intruder I'm kind of with you and I'm not saying that
01:37:28
I believe it to be an intruder but if it were if I were to say yes I believe this
01:37:33
was an intruder that's responsible for the murder of JonBenet I believe that the the intruder theory only works if
01:37:41
the letter was written was constructed before the attempted abduction of this girl right and that there was no really
01:37:49
true intention to ever return her there was no true intention to collect on that
01:37:54
ransom that this would have been more likely a sexually motivated crime and the letter was constructed to by this
01:38:04
sicko time right and that could be for either any number of purposes or just simply
01:38:12
for the purpose of getting away of fleeing the area or distancing themselves from the crime itself don't
01:38:21
contact police if I can do anything to stall law enforcement from the if I can do anything to stall the experts from
01:38:29
getting involved then I'm gonna do that because we knew we all know if you don't
01:38:34
solve this thing in the first 48 you don't have a suspect in the first 48 first 72 time is the killer
01:38:40
time makes it more difficult to solve these cases and this is a particularly complicated one and so I believe that if
01:38:48
it were even an intruder the idea would be to distance themselves from the investigation to slow the start and
01:38:56
progression of that investigation that I point to that for several reasons because even if somebody look we know
01:39:06
that she's killed we know that she's killed somewhere in that home and then the body is left somewhere in that home
01:39:11
even if the kill the person killed her had intended to take her for the purpose of a ransom you would still remove the
01:39:21
body because you could still collect on that ransom even though she's dead the parents don't know that she's dead right
01:39:26
and even and even if they were even the sentence of denied a proper burial indicates that the author of the letter
01:39:35
understands that even the return of a dead body has some value so I don't really believe that there was ever in
01:39:43
any intention of collecting on a ransom and we went through the timeline I will contact you between 8:00 and 10:00 a.m.
01:39:51
tomorrow to give you instructions there was no contact nobody ever reached out for any reason
01:39:58
at all I think it is also very important to keep in mind I I think one of the smartest things that that Steve Thomas
01:40:05
added to this case is where he states that 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. is so confusing because we don't know what the author
01:40:17
means by 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. because this crime we're talking this all went down in the middle of the night
01:40:25
if if the abductor it attempted the abduction after midnight well then 8 a.m. to 10 a.m. tomorrow could mean the
01:40:35
next day so I I think it's all it's all very lost sense yeah Manny again I think I believe that the
01:40:47
person if it was an intruder they wrote it beforehand and either copied their own note and tried to make a couple
01:40:55
corrections to it or whatever yeah and and that's why we have those little scribble marks but I think they wrote it
01:41:03
beforehand there's too many cutesy like little references and little things about like Hollywood not even so much
01:41:12
even if you say they're not quoting any movie it just sounds like stuff that would come from a movie they could just
01:41:20
be quoting things or not specifically quoting movies but just again grabbing window dressing that that comes to mind
01:41:28
right when they think of all what would a what would a kidnapper who wants a ransom right right what what do I think
01:41:35
a ransom letter should look like and that's why I think it's what what I believe and I'll go forward moving
01:41:42
forward with this is that I believe the ransom note is the ransom letter is a complete farce and that either points to
01:41:49
it points to motive for me either it's a cover-up an inside job that had to be covered up or it was in fact an intruder
01:41:58
and the whole purpose of the ransom letter was constructed in advance and it was constructed to slow the
01:42:06
investigation to to delay the start of the investigation maybe the parents don't call 911 right away because
01:42:14
they're scared and they believe the letter they believe they're going to get their daughter back that doesn't have to
01:42:21
have any indicator whether the author knew in advance that they were going to take the girl or or kill the girl inside
01:42:27
it has no nothing to do with that at all it just points everything in this letter
01:42:33
to me that nobody had any intention of collecting okay so crispy Colonel if if you had to bet right right now if you
01:42:45
had to wager your whole life savings mm-hmm one hundred eighteen thousand dollars one hundred eighteen thousand
01:42:53
dollars and you had to wager that against a small foreign faction is this coming from inside the Ramsey family or
01:43:03
is this coming from outside the Ramsey family okay I would walk up to the window to the the betting window and I
01:43:12
would place fifty nine thousand dollars that the author of the letter was an intruder and then I would place my I
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would wager my remaining fifty nine thousand dollars that one of the Ramsey's are both the Ramsey's wrote the
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