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in August of 2016 and where we left off Captain we were a little over 6 months into the
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investigation into her unsolved murder during that time Karina vetrano's parents they pulled out all of the stops
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they did everything they could to keep her name and image in the Public's mind they started off with coming up with
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reward money the reward money eventually grew to an astronomical amount it was like
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$235,000 at one point was the reward money that was offered for information leading to Karina's killer and at some
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point I read that it got up to maybe $300,000 or maybe even more but it was started by the parents and then the
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community but then in ypd I think donated uh 300 or 300 $35,000 to the fund yes it was it was a
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big effort by everybody now one thing that they did as well was they they organized a memorial walk uh this was to
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take place at a Queen's Park where more than 1,000 people turned out uh the vetrano
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family stated that they were even seeking Supernatural help to find the killer of their daughter Phil vatrano
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said at the event qu we are open to any help from people that see beyond the living and anyone with thoughts or
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visions please don't hesitate to come forward then Karina's parents made a very unusual offer to the man that
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strangled their daughter it started off with Karina's parents urging the killer to turn himself in Kathy talking to the
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killer said we will get you it's just just a matter of time Karina's parents have made it their mission to keep the
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Public's attention on the case hoping someone can give them answers Phil her father even offered his daughter's
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killer a choice in the directing of the reward money that has been raised saying
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that if you turn yourself in I will make sure that reward money goes to the person of your choice it could be your
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sister it could be your mother your brother it's a life Cher you will be caught right no matter what so take
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advantage of this situation and my first thought on that was this piece of shit's
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not going to give this money to charity or something and why would this uh you know persuade him to come forward but
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yeah maybe if it's you know um I'm going to shame my family but they're going to
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catch me anyway so if I could shame my family and then give this money to my mother or or father or whatever but
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you'd have to be pretty shitty person to take that money right well here's the thing though
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and this is a very interesting tactic that is not often employed we have you could have a
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situation where the the real killer the guy that did this is on edge maybe he's suicidal maybe this is something he
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didn't intend to do or for whatever reason he feels like this is something that happened he knows he did it but but
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he's on edge and and and there's a Tipping Point now here's the thing if he has some kind of Trigger he could tip in
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the in the direction of suicide or fleeing the area right or if there's something like this could you tip him in
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the direction of turning himself in look you've been walking around with this with this guilt this extreme heavy guilt
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on your shoulders for six months now and the maybe you maybe you're experiencing
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sleepless nights maybe you've increased your alcohol and drug use like they said
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was possible in the profile maybe you are suicidal this gives you a chance this gives you an out and I we know you
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don't want to go to prison but this gives you an out this gives you a chance to walk away from all that guilt that
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you've been carrying around this gives you a chance to not kill yourself not end your life and to do something right
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to finally do something right and guess what we can give that money to to your mother or to your sister or to somebody
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of your choosing you're right is it a shitty thing for this guy to accept the money 100% is it a shitty thing for one
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of his family members to accept the money 100% but I think this is a desperate plea and a smart intelligent
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plea yeah from the the victim's parents that desperately need answers and a community that needs answers as well
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well and you don't know what tip they got I mean even if it's coming from from a a psychic right and the psychic could
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say hey look this this killer uh he's going to commit suicide and if he commits suicide you know or it doesn't
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have to be a thought from a psychic it could just be your gut feeling that hey if this if this was just an attack that
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went too far and then now he's going to kill himself once they kill themselves you're probably not going to find
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answers right you're never gonna He he'll take the information and he'll take that guilt with him to his grave
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right now the the thing here though Captain is it's a right around uh just over the 6mon point where there's a
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break in the vetrano case and this takes place on February 4th 2017 when the police announced that a
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suspect in the strangulation death of Karina vrono had been taken in for questioning this is channel R Lewis a
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20-year-old Brooklyn resident he was being interviewed by police he would later be arrested and charged with her
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murder now who is channel Lewis and how did the police come to suspect him of being the guy so Channel Lewis came to
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the attention of the police from a member of the NYPD an off-duty officer that lived in Karina vetrano's
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neighborhood had noticed this young man lurking in the neighborhood apparently he was walking around after dark looking
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in cars right and he was checking the neighborhood for U unlocked car doors and was was he ever wearing a wool cap
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that was I looked for that information and he did not give a description of this man and what he was wearing the
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interesting thing though this dude this officer is off duty right and he's driving his I believe it was his kids
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his daughters maybe and he spots this guy lurking around in the neighborhood and it does occur to him that he
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somewhat resembles the sketch that he had seen of this guy yeah and sometimes they make a sketch and then they make
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the arrest and then you go I don't look like the guy but in this case and I'll put this on uh Instagram so you can see
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the side-by-side comparison it looks it looks similar it looks similar we you know we should mention that um Channel
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Lewis he is too young to fit the description of the of the guy you know we in the description they say possibly
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35 to 45 years old Channel's only 20 years old yeah but this is this is where I differ a little bit uh because to me
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did the sketch look to you like a 35y old guy no right uh but also maybe 35 at the oldest no way you're talking about a
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40 45 year old dude yeah but this but it's weird because this kid I mean you know he's pretty young but it's he looks
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a little old like he has like a old demeanor to him if that makes sense yeah he's got he's got an older Look to Him
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the thing is when he's brought in for questioning and we first start seeing his face on the TV right he's shaved
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he's clean shaved and the sketch clearly shows a guy with a with a beard like a a
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captain siiz beard not a not a big full crazy one just one right up on the face there right now um beards are normally
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on the face if um if this dude when they brought him in for questioning if he had
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grown a beard I think he would look almost identical to the guy that we're seeing in the sketch yeah pop that guy's
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beanie on and see what happens so this this under this undercover he's not undercover he's off duty okay the man
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never he's never off the clock he's always working he's always undercover so he's off duty he's driving his kid
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somewhere he spots this guy and he decides to he follows him quite a bit that night throughout the neighborhood
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uh he sees him Retreat back into the Park area now so this off-duty officer does a little investigating and he finds
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that a man matching the same description as the guy that he had seen just the night before he had been stopped and
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spoken to by police on what they call a uh you know a stop and frisk situation um and I know a lot of people are
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uncomfortable with this stop and frisk situation but I want to be clear there was a reason they had probable cause the
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night that this man was stopped in FR I enjoy it well what it was was there was a a man seen in the vetrano neighborhood
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that had been lurking around after dark this is a separate separate incident and
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the guy was had a crowbar and appeared to be looking into residence now people multiple people had
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called police so when the police show up they didn't just stop and frisk this dude because they just saw him walking
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down the street for no reason they show up to the neighborhood and they were stopping in risking people that they saw
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walking about in the neighborhood after dark they obtained Channel Lewis's name and address during this stop in Frisk
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well this off-duty officer he Now tracks down the name and address of this dude and he passes it along to the police
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stating look I've seen this dude in the neighborhood that he was in a neighbor in our neighborhood on another occasion
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I saw him Retreat into the park and he somewhat matches the description of the guy that you're looking for in the
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sketch well does he fit anything in the profile that was released by the FBI um the thing here is we said that the
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officer had obtained his address so the interesting the thing here is that channel is not homeless like the profile
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had suggested he he lived with his mother and two sisters in the projects in East New York now the interesting
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thing here though is it's just 3 miles from the murder scene however he did have a good knowledge of the area just
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like the profile had suggested he had a history with Spring Creek Park he in fact had two violations uh for breaking
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rules in the park what what did he break I think they didn't go specify what these uh violations were as far as both
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of them goes but one of them was for public urination okay um I don't know what the second one was now the the
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police had questioned this guy a couple of times uh in fact he had actually been
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on their radar for a while uh because the the off-duty officer passed along his name a couple months before he was
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actually arrested right the police went and spoke with him the first time he was
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questioned he was questioned pretty thoroughly but they had no they didn't have anything on him but he's a little
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off he's a little off but he also on that first incident of being questioned he didn't provide them with anything he
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didn't give them any information any incriminating information now the second time that they spoke with him they this
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time they asked him to submit to a DNA test which he did yeah and it comes back that his DNA matched DNA for that was
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collected from Karina's body and cell phone yeah so it would have been found underneath her fingernails and then that
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would be pure DNA they get a hit on that then they get a hit on the cell phone um
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but I believe the cell phone and then the DNA that they got off her back would have both been just touch DNA so we have
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actual DNA from underneath the fingernails and then touch DNA from the cell phone and her back there's well
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this case is not without controversy and there's some thought on in the regards to the DNA um before we get into hashing
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that out Captain um some background information on Lewis he didn't have other than these these rules violations
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he didn't have like an extended criminal history he didn't have a criminal history that suggested that he was a
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violent person or a rapist or a murderer right um but he reportedly people said that he had a
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hatred for women he had a strong hatred for women uh that he once told a teacher's aid that he wanted to stab all
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of the girls at his school oh well that's nice of him that's yeah that's that's an interesting threat there yeah
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but he's off but what does that mean because I I couldn't find that clear you know like when you look at like Jesse
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Miss Kelly right M Jesse Miss Kelly um low IQ but with Lewis it's like is he mentally handicapped or is
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he look I'm I'm no expert um you know I went to school for computer right and uh
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one of our listeners pointed out that I went to school for number not numbers just number number okay yeah um computer
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in number minored in number body else wants to point out all the things that I say wrong for you also went to school
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for uh geography because you're so good at saying towns names and and mixing up the cities yes yeah but okay so when it
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says that he when people say that he's off or you know you said that he's off right man like I said he's I'm no expert
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he's definitely off um there different levels like you know my friends would tell you I'm off yeah you're off he's a
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little off but you know this guy is like a little more than off well I can I can I think I
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can clarify this a little bit okay so where I don't think that he is um I don't think that he has limited
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capabilities I think that he's just kind of out there um and we have him he had been taken into protective custody
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numerous times he was described as a loner he was described by many people as mentally unstable a neighbor who had
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lived near the family told reporters that this man terrorized people in the neighborhood now upon further checking
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into his background when he was growing up when Channel Lewis was growing up he was enrolled in a private school this
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was not like a private school for gifted individuals this was a private school for children with behavioral problems
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with severe behavioral problems insane kids yeah yes right well the other thing though Captain is not only does his DNA
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match um but I want to talk about the confession of a killer right because he confess he offers up a confession in
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regards to Karina's case in Howard Beach and the full story that we can now put together from the suspect's own words
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witness statements and according to investigators is this that on August 2nd our sus ECT Channel Lewis had left his
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home after arguing with his family and he walked over to the park this is where he came across and then attacked Karina
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vrono while it is believed to have been a random attack it is definitely not known for certain if Lewis had ever seen
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vrono before or premeditated the attack on her channel in his confession said quote I was mad I saw red Lewis says he
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grabbed vrono as she ran past him he said she clawed at his face and he hit her five times before she was knocked
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unconscious he goes on to say quote she didn't yell she was finished I finished her off I strangled her she fell into
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the puddle and drowned I got up and I wiped off the blood and she was calm she was in the pool of water after telling
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the cops how he quote finished her off Channel Lewis seemed to think that he could pay his way out of murder charges
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asking where do we go from here is there a restitution program or something right
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before confessing he had told detectives I want to change my life I'm sorry for what I did he insisted that he did not
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molest the woman even though her jogging shorts have been pulled down yeah but even the cops said from the beginning
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that because she put up a fight is probably the reason why that didn't fully happen right so they they can't
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say that she was quote unquote raped yeah so he said he didn't sexually assault her but he says after the attack
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after he had quote finished her off that he had walked home uh walking back up the bike path he said he was shaken up
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he was hoping to get home to get napkins to stop the bleeding from the scratches
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she had left on his face when asked why he attacked the jogger Lewis confusing responded that he killed vrono because
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of a guy that had moved into his house and into the neighborhood playing loud music which disrupted his life now after
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the attack right this guy is psychosis or something yeah after the attack his mother recalled Channel returning to the
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home that night she said that he did look disheveled and his clothes were torn he told her that he had been mugged
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by a group of men and of course there's really no evidence of such an attack and
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no police report was ever filed now the next day this is something that you and I find incredibly incriminating no
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matter even if you get past the DNA evidence the next day well you got to get past the DNA evidence then you got
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to get past the fact that he confesses mhm and then well the next day on August 3rd Lewis's father who is a he's a
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former School principal he took Lewis to a local emergency room for treatment of
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scratches and cuts on Lewis's upper body now channel Lewis had also suffered a hand injury this most likely the hand
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that he had used to throw Karina's phone into the weeds leaving his DNA on the phone in the process all right so I'm
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going to say something I'm going to bring this up don't don't hit me okay don't throw don't throw your beer bottle
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at me when I'm researching this case his father then comes out and says look he's
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a sweet boy he never would have done this this is way out of character and then other people in the
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community you know even though people said that he was stalking people or you know terrorizing people in the
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neighborhood um that he was a sweet boy so there's like two sides of this coin and it
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started making me feel like okay if this guy is off and if he is a little slow right MH then did they plant this DNA
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evidence did they get him to confess okay so the reason a big reason why this case is not without controversy
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is this because they have DNA evidence one and two they have a confession and then three we got Channel who's pleading
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not guilty to the crime so a lot of people were going well how can you have a confession and DNA evidence and then
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you got a defendant that's pleading not guilty how could he possibly not be guilty so well but we do know that
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people get false confessions that has happened and we also know that there's been plenty of cases where not plenty of
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them but there's been a handful of cases where the you could tamper with the DNA
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evidence to get it to say what you want it to say yeah well and the thing as far
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as Channel Lewis goes in my own personal opinion of him and I don't I don't know
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him uh all I know of him is using his words that I've poured through and seeing him in interviews and seeing him
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on TV a lot of the times unfortunately when his hands are handcuffed behind his back so maybe you're not getting the
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best perspective about him right but what I can gather is for a lack of better words and excuse me I know there
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are more intelligent words out there in regards to this but to speed things along I don't find him to be slow per se
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I find him to be a little crazy right if not full on and the reason why I say that is because of this if you go if you
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pour through his his confession while it makes sense to the way that the attack occurred and how we know that it
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occurred his reasoning behind things doesn't seem to make any sense to anyone and the where the controversy is is you
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have it it it was discovered that the DNA underneath her fingernails was actually mixed DNA meaning that there
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were several types of DNA found underneath her fingernails Now using that mixed DNA they could not rule out
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Channel Lewis's DNA having been under her fingernails right what they can prove is his DNA absolutely was on her
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phone and absolutely was found on her either neck or back depending on which report you read right but that was touch
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DNA and that's new technology and there could be something up with that to me this sounds like you know when his
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father's defended him to me it sounds like you know he's early 20s this would be the time in your life where he's
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doing crazy stuff he's acting manic so there's a chance that he has some sort of bipolar or schizophrenia I mean one
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of the reasons that he said he had to kill this person I have an argument with my family and then there was this guy
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that moved into the neighborhood with a loud boom box mhm sounds to me like you know this loud
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barking dog that told me to go kill women right Son of Sam so I think his father saying he's a sweet boy
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or other people in the in the community saying he's a sweet boy well maybe he was but now he has this mental illness
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and because of this you know this led to the murder well and there there's a great article out there and I believe
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it's on uh dailybeast.com where you can get some more information on this but it
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it sounds like some people have called into question how they obtain the confession uh that they they made him
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wait for hours and upon hours upon hours before getting this confession from him
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um they he doesn't have an attorney present during the course of giving the confession however it's never even
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stated that he requested one um so I where I yeah but if you're crazy or you're a little off are you going to
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request a lawyer I don't love the methods that they used however I have to keep in mind they have his DNA matching
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at the time of of this before they get the confession from him and SEC and the thing that's often pointed out in this
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article specifically is that you know you have psychiatrists saying that and psychologists saying that people don't
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just all of a sudden snap you know like it it looks from his confession that he all of a sudden snapped and attacked and
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killed someone that and I've heard not only you know psychologists say this but I've also heard uh people with extensive
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criminal law enforcement backgrounds say the same thing that people don't just usually just don't snap all of a sudden
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usually you see a long history of it and what I want to remind the people that wrote the article at The Daily Beast and
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that and that contributed to that article is we actually see previous Behavior we we he's been he's been
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talked to by police several times we have neighbors saying that he was terrorizing the neighborhood while he
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might be a sweet boy at home he might be a mama's boy he might be great to his sisters and to his mom he went to a
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private school that was for people with behavioral problems this kid didn't just
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snap one day the thing that's going to be very interesting thing here Captain is it seems to me like he understands
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that he's done something wrong so he knows the difference between right and wrong he just doesn't fully grasp the
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full scope or gravity of the situation or the acts that he has committed right so we have DNA that matches on top of
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that you have a confession and on top of the confession even if you believe that
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the confession was um you know obtained in a weird way we were just talking you know a little bit off off mic for a
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second off the Record yeah off the Record when new show comes out soon um most people assume that this murder took
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place the motive was sexual that it was rape then murder but there was no like we said DNA evidence of that and during
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his confession he claims that he you know pulled her into the weeds and also used her shorts as a way to pull her in
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and that would explain why the shorts were down but there was no actual sexual assault so that makes his confession
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seem a lot more likely and then on top of that it's you went to the hospital for these cuts and scrapes yeah all over
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your body and on parts of your body that was suspected to have been occurred like
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the FBI said and on his hand which would have touched the cell phone right so if
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you think the first two are Fab fabricated in any way by law enforcement you can't fabricate that you can't
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fabricate him going to the emergency room to to take care of these Cuts yeah the interesting thing to me Captain is I
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think that this person belongs Behind Bars and I know the vrono family and everybody in the community wants to see
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this guy go away forever I think that I don't know that I fully agree that prison is the appropriate place for him
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I think he does need to be locked up somewhere and he there's a more appropriate place for him I don't think
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he fully understands what he did nor did he have full control over himself but at the end of the day
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regardless of that he's extremely violent and most likely this will occur again he needs to go somewhere I just
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don't know where that is and he needs to go there for the rest of his life [Music]
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cheers now 75 miles away on April 15th 2017 we get a break in the Vanessa marcot case sources told the media a man
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was arrested in war Kester Massachusetts authorities said that Angelo cologne Ortiz is facing multiple
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charges in connection with Vanessa marcott's death remember when law enforcement announced that they were
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looking for a dark colored SUV that had been seen around the time of the murder yeah well an alert state trooper spotted
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an SUV matching the description being driven by a man who matched the description of the suspect the trooper
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wrote down the license plate of the SUV on his hand he's driving and then Tracked Down Angelo cologne Ortiz while
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we should give credit where credit is due Captain the officer's name is he is state trooper Robert Pats and this
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sighting of the SUV occurred mid to late March of 2017 then he along with another officer
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went to the man's home the following day they question him and asked him to give
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them a to do one of those cheek swab DNA sample tests yeah open up your mouth he
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submitted to this they took the information back they submitted the test and later got a match they matched this
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to DNA found at the crime scene upon receiving the results of that test he was arrested and charged with murder now
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Angelo cologne Ortiz aged 31 he's from warer Massachusetts he has no criminal history he was married with three
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children and he had lived in warer for less than a year at the time that he had been picked up he worked for a
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third-party contractor of FedEx and he made deliveries and was familiar with the town of Princeton you know as he
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made deliveries there fre right according to his neighbors cologne Ortiz was described as
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perverted and okay that's not how you want your neighbors to describe it how's your neighbor oh well the neighbor over
00:36:10
here he cuts his lawn pretty well regularly once a week um Joe over here he's a pervert Yeah Angela was was
00:36:20
described as perverted and often made vulgar sexual comments to people in the neighborhood now or yeah
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meaning women and men well and the dogs and cats they didn't give a statement so
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who knows what he was saying to them now cologne Ortiz nice [ __ ] cologne Ortiz worked early hours
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uh he worked from approximately 4:00 a.m. to 11:00 a.m. now I'm not sure why this keeps coming up when we hear about
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him because this attack occurred on a Sunday I I wouldn't I don't don't see FedEx out doing deliveries on a Sunday
00:36:59
but maybe that's the case I think what they're trying to point out here is even if it were a workday he was this attack
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occurred at a time that he was not accounted for that you know he wouldn't have been busy at work at that time now
00:37:14
police were not quite sure what he was doing in the area of the murder or why he was even there to begin with but
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information collected from his cell phone puts him or at least his phone in the area where and when Vanessa was
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killed yeah investigators believe that he plus his SUV yeah possibly matching the description of his SUV now
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investigators believe that he may have spotted the attractive young woman walking alone maybe even followed her
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for a bit before driving ahead and then parking his vehicle on the side of the road opening up the hood giving the
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appearance that his Ford Escape SUV had broken down and he was stranded right when she got near the vehicle he then
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attacked her so if this theory is correct then you're talking about premeditated assault with intent to
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commit rape at the very least well let me just put this out there for everybody right I want everybody to listen good
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right mhm guys on the side of the road stranded and he says hey lady come over and help me just run no you're not going
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to help him he can figure it out right better safe than sorry I mean we've seen dirt bags like Bundy do this and and
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other serial killers don't help them well and there there's another situation though too to
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think about Captain it's very likely that he may not have even spoken to her that he used this ruse as just a chance
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to be in the same spot as she would be in and out of the vehicle yeah because cuz think about this if he speaks to her
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or if he yells something to her there's a chance she might react to this and take off where if he just pretends to be
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on his phone like hey he's calling for a record truck or calling for help she's going to she's going to possibly put him
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off and think that it's just he's just stranded she may casually walk or jog by him putting her within feet of him where
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he then can grab her or probably grab her from behind because just like our other victim this is a very athletic
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woman this is a woman that's not going to go down without a fight never go down without a fight further Evidence against
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cologne Ortiz now remember Vanessa's body had been burned portions of her body had been burned it was determined
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that gasoline was the accelerant that was used to light the body she was killed sometime that Sunday afternoon
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after 1 p.m. and most likely before 300 p.m. uh when she was reported missing now business records for a credit card
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in the name of Angelo cologne Ortiz was used on that same day on August 7th in the afternoon at 2:35 p.m. to purchase
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gasoline this guy's a a monster at this was purchased captain at a gas station that was just 7 miles from where
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Vanessa's body was found now I'm not very familiar with that area but I'm guessing due to the population and the
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the roads that I checked out mhm there's a good chance that this 7 Mile Away gas
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station might be the closest gas station to where the attack occurred right that's just a 14-minute driving route
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from that approximate location now Angelo Corone Ortiz he pled not guilty um and he was placed on a $10 million B
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uh bail uh the charges that he's facing are aggravated assault assault with intent to rape and of course murder so
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we have two situations Captain where obviously these cases we know that they were not linked now right uh regardless
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of the media linking them early on however it's undeniable that they're similar in nature I mean the attacks are
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very similar the the victimology extremely similar well and they happen 5 days apart but they're also at the same
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spot in the cases we have people arrested now they're waiting trial and we'll see if these families get Justice
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and these strong beautiful women get Justice couple things that I want to point out here captain that I think that
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are Lessons Learned for the public regarding these cases the the thing that stood out the most in both of these
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incidents after the murder occurred when the investigation was rolling or any time that the investigation seem to have
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taken gone to a standstill MH in both instances they they produced more inform information and they kept these cases in
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the Public's mind they kept them on the news and in the headlines this was done by not only the families of both victims
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but the communities and the law enforcement that was involved as well well but it goes before that because
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these strong women decided to fight these bastards and by doing so collected the evidence that they need to put these
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guys away for the rest of their lives I couldn't have said it better and in fact
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you stole my ending for what I was going to say there but um it's it's good that
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we share the same opinion of that the thing that I want to point out here though is keeping this in the Public's
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mind what did we see this produce in both of these cases It produced tips and leads that did eventually lead to the
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capture of both of these individuals another thing that I think we see here is where the cases are different where
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the the perpetrators are somewhat different where I see somebody that it's unstable and I don't fully know that any
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of us will understand why he committed the murder in the first case in the second case it's very obvious to me that
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Angelo cologne Ortiz this was a sexually motivated case this was a sexually motivated attack and murder for him and
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I actually think that he probably would have went on to do more of these I actually think he could have killed more
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women he could at least have raped more women well he possibly could have done this
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and I'm actually shocked that uh given that 9 months went by before his arrest that he didn't commit something similar
00:43:34
to this one thing that I think may have prevented him from doing so remember we often see in profiles of these types of
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offenders that they will pay attention to the media coverage on the cases if he was in fact paying attention to the
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media coverage resulting uh from Vanessa's murder that he would have known that that phys physical profile
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was was released about him and he was probably when he heard it he's going that sounds just like me they've just
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described meh and whatever I was intending to do or planning to do from here I cannot do because there's a
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spotlight on me they've just not narrowed it down to me yet and in both cases we also see off-duty
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officers uh going above and beyond and they're paying attention they're they're they're always on the job
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they helped provide leads and tips that found these two individuals and I with you Captain I hope and pray that we get
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Justice for both of these women and we get it very soon again but you got also got to applaud their their friends and
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family uh for speaking out especially Karina's mom and and father so applaud them one topic we wanted to discuss here
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today Captain is ways to stay safe when you're when you're jogging yeah seems obvious giving the cases that are
00:44:58
covered and this was pulled from several different areas and in no way is this an
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advertisement for anybody this is just information that we have found and some of it a lot of it coming from According
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to runnersworld.com on suggestions for keeping you safe well we have a lot of listeners that will run trails and stuff
00:45:18
but also listen to our show at the same time uh I could uh some of the listeners
00:45:23
say it helps them run faster um I I I don't normally listen to podcast when I when I work out uh well you and I
00:45:31
do bike I'm not I'm not a jogger I do bike on occasion and I I I have found that some of these tips I think I need
00:45:39
to take upon myself to do some of these these good things here so uh tips for keeping you safe they say the first
00:45:46
thing you should do before you go out is is to notify others and tell them how long you plan to be out this allows
00:45:54
loved ones to sound the alarm if you don't return on time now there are several available apps out there that
00:46:02
can help to keep you safe one that is mentioned is the Glimpse app this allows Runners to set a timer that notifies
00:46:11
certain people of their location if they're out longer than they had planned MH then we also have the Run Safe app
00:46:21
this allows a runner to send a text message to a certain contact or contacts at the start and end of a run the app
00:46:29
also includes a panic button feature in which a siren and strobe light play in addition to notifying contacts the
00:46:38
feature also records several minutes of sound that is also available to your contacts and runnersworld.com also
00:46:47
suggests that you carry an ID with you and that your cell phone has uh emergency contact numbers on the back
00:46:54
tape to the back of it m the Cambridge Police Department advises of course everyone to run with a friend when you
00:47:01
can obviously the friend's not always available um or bring a whistle and they also suggest leaving your money at home
00:47:10
now you can also you know in certain States you can purchase and carry pepper spray which I would recommend now
00:47:18
there's a another device out there that I would highly recommend this one's called the tiger lady it's a handheld
00:47:24
device I'm sure a lot of you have heard of this it's modeled after a cat's retractable claws uh the device it can
00:47:32
you can use this to fight back and to fight off your attacker it's also likely to collect DNA of your attacker it's
00:47:41
going to do some damage yeah or carry a knife just carry a knife you know we don't need these claws just carry a
00:47:47
knife somebody attacks you pull it out of your pocket stab him right in the face so what do you do Captain if you
00:47:53
are being followed or fear that you you are being followed well I always take four right turns that's what I do uh
00:48:03
here's some suggestions one is simply turn to look at the potential attacker this sends a message that you won't be
00:48:12
surprised by a possible attack right you're let them know I see you mhm the another suggestion is to change your
00:48:20
direction if the person following you is moving on foot change streets and your pace if the person following you is in a
00:48:28
car walk in the opposite direction so it is harder for them to follow you and then of course we have this go to the
00:48:36
nearest store or public place where there are other people yeah that's a great idea and once you're there call
00:48:42
the police they say if there is if there is not a safe place to go make sure you
00:48:47
keep moving start screaming so you can try to draw attention to the situation mhm and of course one thing that that uh
00:48:57
we should mention self-defense courses they're available in most cities uh I suggest everyone check them out I have
00:49:05
been to some I think they're very valuable tools that you can learn there they're usually very affordable classes
00:49:12
as well if one every other week I jump out of the bushes and attack him just to check by just to see you know he's
00:49:18
getting older and I suggest these not only for our female listeners but the male listeners as well and a lot of
00:49:24
these classes are something you can take your children to especially if you feel
00:49:28
that they are mature enough not to use these methods you know just to pick onings yeah just to pick on somebody on
00:49:35
the playground yeah so for all of our male and female Runners out there uh be safe and be aware of your
00:49:44
[Music] surroundings the best best advice you can give somebody is you know just stay
00:49:52
at home couple beers not true have a cple beard hang out in the garage with one of your buds all right thank you
00:49:59
everybody for listening make sure that you tell a friend spread the word share share information about these cases on
00:50:06
social media and until next time be good be kind and don't [Music] litter [Applause]
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