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talk some true crime foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] legendary profiler Roy Hazelwood spent
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22 years with the FBI 16 of them in the FBI's Behavioral Science unit he was truly an expert when
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it came to criminal behavior and understanding why they do what they do in his book dark dreams Mr Hazelwood
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explains the Criminal Mind as he sees it in one chapter he explains that it would
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surprise most people that in his experience the two types of sexual offenders with the most characteristics
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in common are the sexual sadist and pedophiles he says most pedophiles are not physically violent
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while the sexual sadist is very likely to be so but there are striking similarities
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Hazelwood offers some clarification before diving into the more than one dozen shared characteristics of these
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two types of monsters pedophiles and child molesters are terms that are often used interchangeably however they are
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quite different pedophile and psychiatric usage describes an individual who is preferentially
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attracted sexually to a prepubescent child generally 13 years of age or less however a pedophile does not become a
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criminal until he molests a child it is entirely possible for the pedophile to act out his sexual
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preferences only in his mind or with a consenting adult or a paid partner who plays the
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role of a child this is not criminal Behavior a child molester is a legal term used to describe any person who
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sexually molest a child which most definitely is Criminal Behavior all child molesters are
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criminals and a pedophile who acts out against a child consequently is a child molester
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here is how he says the pedophile and the sexual sadists are alike both are ritualistic sexual criminals they have
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highly developed fantasy lives and carry out their crimes according to a script both are highly motivated
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their crimes give them deep satisfaction and they invest great amounts of time money and energy to their criminal
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Behavior neither experiences remorse or guilt the sexual sadist believes that his
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victims deserve to suffer the pedophile doesn't believe he's caused harm to the child both are highly
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practiced at rationalizing their behavior and consequently are poorly motivated to change
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both recognize the society abominates them and they take steps to study their deviant desires behaviors to better
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understand them and to evade arrest they possess average or better intelligence and social skills they mesh well in
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society friends and Associates are surprised and supportive of them when they are
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identified their rate of recidivism is much greater than other offenders they tend to be model prisoners and
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consequently are released more quickly and Having learned nothing from their punishment quickly begin practicing
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sexual deviance again both are highly narcissistic most sexual criminals slow down with age
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there is no known burnout age for these two offenders a less stopped such men will offend well
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into their 60s or 70s they have greater numbers of victims than other sexual offenders
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once these men begin to act out criminally they will assault until they are caught
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criminal sexual sadists pose one of law enforcement's greatest challenges though rare they are intelligent men who
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invest great amounts of time in planning their crimes and they easily blend into society
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because they look like us John simonis better known as the ski mask rapist told Roy Hazelwood and Ken Lanning also
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of the BSU quote there are a lot of steps you can take to help eliminate the average
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criminal who is just spontaneous and Reckless and careless but if somebody wants somebody bad
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enough it's nearly impossible to prevent they could have the best security in the
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world they could have guards and dogs and everything else but if you have the time and the
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patience the opportunity is going to arise when you can hit someone this is true crime garage
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foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music] 1963 The Windsor Star newspaper reported the following police and volunteers
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continue to search for two boys last seen near The Plains of Abraham from my understanding Captain this is a large
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park on the heights of Quebec City the two boys are young a little younger than the more typical ages of runaways
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the two boys that we were talking about here were together that day at the park and the two boys are friends this is
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Alan carrier age 10 and Michael Morrell age eight these two youngsters were last seen
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leaving the plains on Grand alley that's a major road there the boys were seen leaving with some empty beer and soda
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bottles that they had collected on that day which they evidently intended to sell
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soldiers and about 200 volunteers scoured the area but found no sign of the boys nor any clues as to where they
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may have gone off to now this was a little tricky to track down in fact the earliest report is from
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a little more than 36 hours after they were missing and doesn't really offer much Insight on what the immediate
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suspicions were in the case of these two but we can make some inferences based on
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other cases we have covered and those would be one because it's two kids together the first thought might be that
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they did in fact run away or maybe even more likely wandered off together and got lost secondly of course you would
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always have to be worried that maybe one or both got hurt and again they are very
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young so the concern level and the Threat Level would be high so the two were last seen on that Sunday
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May 5th so by the time we see this report that came out on Tuesday giving that time passing and the searches for
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the two that were going on immediately after they reported missing where once you may
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have not have been so sure what happened with the two youngsters now you are starting to suspect the very worst and
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let's compound that fear with the knowledge that it was discovered that another boy went missing and there was
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less information about that boy this is a boy who was traveling by himself a little older than these two boys and he
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was still missing as well from that same general area yeah so then the community
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is probably going to start thinking that they possibly could be connected yeah what we have here in the first case
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Captain is a boy named guy luckenwick he was age 12 who was visiting Quebec City
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he disappeared on April 20th so this is like about two weeks before these other two boys went missing the boy was
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traveling to Quebec City which he did so each week for a music lesson guy played
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the clarinet they could not pinpoint exactly when he went missing but they did know that he made it to the lesson
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finished the lesson and then left on foot afterwards but he never made it home searches by police for this boy two have
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been in vain and because the amount of time that expired any Theory or suspicion that a ransom may have figured
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into this boy's disappearance had been discarded by this time but he has an item with them I'm assuming he's taken
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his own instrument to the lesson but it's also not a large instrument it's not like he has a saxophone or something
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with him so clarinet could be pretty easily discarded by a predator and we say Ransom here and I know to most of
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our listeners they're thinking oh that's very theatrical that's very much like the movies but we have to keep in mind
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that our case our story today takes place back in the early 60s and actually kidnapping for ransom was much much more
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common than it is today so much so that poor criminals often saw kidnapping as a
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as their meal ticket as their lottery ticket so to speak but you have to factor in some other things here
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none of these families are wealthy families right you know often when we have someone that is kidnapped for
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ransom you can't squeeze blood out of a rusty nail you actually have to go after
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somebody that has some money and you know we talk about the Lindbergh kidnapping for ransom considered to be
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one of the at one time the the crime of the 20th century right that's a prime example and in fact that happened a lot
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so much so that when looking into this particular story I was running into plenty of stories of a case that was
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active about this same time where you have Frank Sinatra Jr kidnapped where they're looking for a ransom of 240
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thousand dollars for his safe return now thankfully he was returned safely but it was so much more common back then
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and what's interesting to me here Captain is that even in the 70s and 80s where we started to see an uptick of a
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crime Trend that was changing of abducting children for sexual purposes right that they always
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were commenting that you know we've set up a line at the family's home so that if a
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ransom comes in we're ready to receive it to get the instructions to deliver this money and and get this kid safely
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back and where in the the because of what was going on in the country in fact in the 30s 40s 50s and 60s Ransom very
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common 70s and 80s that went away I'm guessing the penalty for kidnapping went up as it became more popular
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but also what I find super interesting just back to the the Frank Sinatra Jr thing is
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so you're going to kidnap the one of the most famous people in the world's kids to get a ransom but that famous person
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is also connected to the most powerful organization in the world the mob doesn't seem like the
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smartest idea yeah but you also have to understand that kidnapping was very popular because there was a much higher
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percentage of poor people in our country back then so people were more desperate
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back then I'm just saying you have to be very desperate to to go against the mob
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so there were rumors swirling in this area about a maniac possibly on the loose and that he's snatching up little
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boys and certainly even Beyond rumor that seems to be the shared feelings of the parents in this community in fact a
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a newspaper snippet says that at the time police suspected quote that a sex maniac may have killed
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the three missing boys because not a trace of them had been found despite an intensive search effort now
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unfortunately things are going to get worse before they get better because on May 29th
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in that edition of The Gazette a newspaper out of Montreal Quebec they featured an article about another
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missing boy the article was titled fourth boy disappears in Quebec and goes on to say The Disappearance of a fourth
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youngster in Quebec City and just a little more than a month was announced by police and the deputy chief termed
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the situation disquieting he said now police are wondering whether the boys had been the victims of a Maniac the
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latest boy to go missing is Perry Marquis age 13. Perry was last seen on Sunday May 25th in the afternoon leaving
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a beach on the outskirts of the city right this is the wolf's Cove area of the St Lawrence River
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Pierre's mother said that Pierre went to Sunday mass on that day he came home for
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lunch and then he went to meet his cousin at Wolf's Cove to go swimming the cousin confirmed that Pierre not only
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made it to the swimming Meetup at Wolf's Cove but also safely left afterward of course you hear River and a
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possibility of drowning is maybe one of the first thoughts however in this case of course we said there is that sighting
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of him leaving the the swimming hole on that day what kind of reminds you of the
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Stephen King novel it and Derry Maine how a group of kids just start going missing and there's no explanation and
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no no trace of them yeah and that's one thing that's interesting in this case and I liken it to the Oakland County
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child killer case where it seems to be that the community and the parents seem to be fully aware of
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what's going on and maybe a lot of the children were not right because you know news traveled different back then and if
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you weren't dialed in most kids aren't paying attention to the news especially younger kids
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if your parents are not informing you if your teachers are not informing you you're just unaware
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and so with the Oakland County case one thing that is bizarre there is Timothy King who unfortunately was
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snatched up and then later found dead the one of the saddest parts of that whole story is that just a day or two
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before his parents sat him down and fully explained to him what was going on in their area at the time and it still
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the threat still led to his demise now in that case there is a lot of suspicion that whoever was killing those kids was
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posing as an authority figure and used that fake persona to abduct the children well it's hard to imagine how you'd
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react as a child knowing that these kids just went missing and there's no answers
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no clues and Pierre was even spotted walking in the direction indicating that he was likely on his way back home by
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another individual now just to be safe though Captain they did in fact search the waters
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in this area yeah and they also searched the waters around the other two disappearance cases as well three
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victims two disappearances earlier all of these searches are turning up nothing there's
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nothing in the water there's nothing on land nothing on the streets that they can find that are giving them any types
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of leads at all so of course this is all super scary stuff but then look at the similarities in all
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of these missing persons cases that to me heightens the the Fear Factor level for me because one they they took place
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in just a short time span of about 40 days right four kids three separate incidents
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and 40 days where we got missing kids all went missing on a weekend day all four boys disappeared between the hours
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of 2 and 3 P.M or believed to have disappeared between those hours three of them were last seen in the same general
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neighborhood the carrier kid and the morale boy were on the plains of Abraham again a huge Park that overlooks the
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Saint Lawrence River and then Pierre Marquis the last to disappear is believed to have started on his way home
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and to have cut through that same park The Plains of Abraham from the beach yeah well it's also a little scarier too
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when you when you realize the monster's not coming out at night the monster is working within the day right and that's
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where us we can sit here and easily go not only do we think it's connected because this is happening so fast within
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a 40-day time span but also look at those similarities it's it's all very much the same Mo things going down about
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the same time on weekends within the same hours as you said in broad daylight also a higher Threat Level of Predator
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because this Predator has no problem going after one individual or multiple individuals at the same time well and
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Guy luckenwick we're talking about the area where all went missing he was the first to go missing but was last seen on
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Saint Denis or Saint Dennis Street which is some distance away from the other cases but again it is the same general
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area of Quebec City now not that there was not a thorough investigation and not that the police didn't do everything
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possible but really other than the where and when each boy was last seen there really was not much in the way of
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investigating to this case you know they're really just simply looking for the physical boys themselves they had
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nothing to lead them to what may have happened to them or or who may have taken them well again the last known
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crime scene we have if you want to call it a crime scene is the last eyewitnesses of these individuals
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because we don't have some area where where all these items from the boys were found and that there possibly was a
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struggle or anything it's almost like all four boys just poof disappeared right they really didn't have any leads
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of if the boys were in fact abducted this is not a situation where anyone witnessed an abduction heard a child
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scream or spotted a suspicious tan sedan or creepy camper and of course this is a
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little more than five decades before the big band the van movement that continues
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to save lives to this day and if police had any leads at all well they were looked at and fairly quickly
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determined to be dead ends that never produced any additional leads that is what it was like for most of the 40 days
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or so that these four boys ages 8 to 13 were missing this until a concerned parent came forward with some very
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interesting information thank you [Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates
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cheers to you Colonel cheers to you Captain tall cans in the air to everyone out there aka the goat
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let's get into this uh interesting story that comes forward brought by again a concerned parent to police
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this is 45 year old Edward owlette he went to the police with this following story
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concerning his 14 year old son who fortunately was safe and sound he told police that on May 25th his son
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14 years of age was at Quebec City's very busy Central bus station when a man approached him
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the boy lost a dime in a soft drink machine and was fighting with the machine to either get his soda or get
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his dime back the man offered to buy the boy a drink the kid accepted then the man said if you like money so much or if
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you are in need of more money I could offer you a job at some point in this conversation it
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sounds like it may have been a fairly lengthy one the man showed the kid a bank book with a balance of 343 dollars
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that's a lot of sodas and a dime a pop the man told the boy something to the effect of
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I have a great deal of money or I have a lot of money and you can make a few dollars heck when you're a teenager and
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somebody has a fifty dollar bill or a hundred dollar bill you think they're rich
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well and keep in mind the equivalent of what they were seeking in the Frank Sinatra Junior Ransom 240 thousand
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dollars that would be like two million dollars today so it's uh this certainly like you pointed out would seem like a
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great deal of money to a youngster back then and then but you have to take this a step further and go well this is just
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a bank book it doesn't necessarily mean that this guy's got any real money at all now the
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man told the boy that he could offer him a ride and he wanted to take him back to
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what he referred to as his Suburban home this boy very smartly refused the ride later he would say that the man
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frightened him so instead he gave the man his address and phone number and told the man that he could talk to him
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tomorrow so the kid goes home and he tells his parents what went down at the bus
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station about being approached by this man who said he had money right offered some kind of job and then this guy wants
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to take me back to his house bought me a Coke yeah and I wonder if in this story if
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the man who you know if he is a dangerous man he's obviously using a ruse to try to trick this youngster well
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but not not necessarily because the youngster is having a problem right his the machine either took his money so
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this guy comes up and goes hey I'll buy the soda for you that's not out of the realm that that's not a ruse right
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that's just uh adult walking by there used to be a soda machine where I taught lessons there's plenty of times
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where kids would go by and they'd be pushing the button and go what are you doing oh the the machine took my money I
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go oh here let me buy a pop that's not a ruse to you know to try to kidnap the kid I
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was just trying to be a nice person to that kid so then they get to talking while I have
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this job come back right there you go you know that's what I'm talking about the if this if this guy in fact is
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looking to pick up this kid if he is a danger the ruse is offering him a job right and I'm what I'm pointing out is
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I'm wondering if in this conversation we know that the boy said he exchanged he gave his phone number and he gave his
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address when the man then says offers to drive him back to his quote unquote Suburban home I'm wondering if this guy
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was smart enough to make it sound like they both lived in the same general area to kind of put the boy at ease well I'm
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heading home anyway why don't you just join me in my car right back to my Suburban home but also
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again this creep could live downtown but you use the term suburb Suburban home so again if the kid doesn't go with
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him he is now telling everybody well he said he lived in the suburbs correct armed with this information the parents
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are going to set up a little sting operation of their own so the man called the house and the parents had the boy
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answer the phone when the man called the next day so a meeting time and place were set up for the boy to meet the man
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but what happens is Edward owlette drove his son to this meeting once there Edward confronted the man
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demanding to know why and what the man wanted with his 14 year old son the man laughed and told the father that
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it was the boy's idea that the two were to hang out together saying that the boy
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wanted to go to the circus that he wanted someone to take him to the circus and this man said that he would do so
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so Edward then tells the man there are three boys missing right now and I'm not letting my son out of my sight
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while there Edward wrote down the license plate number on the man's vehicle and then he gives this
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information to the police who promptly worked very hard to track down this vehicle the man fortunately was located
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and arrested but unfortunately this was on May 27th this would be the day after Pierre
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Marquis was reported missing remember he was number four to go missing and he went missing on May 26th right
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so the man they arrested who was according to this man and his son trying to meet
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up and make some kind of work arrangements with a 14 year old boy this was a Leopold Dion police very quickly
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realized that considering all involved they were very likely in for some really really bad news and that's because not
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only did Leopold have a lengthy police record but he had a very dark and violent past can you get into that a
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little bit yes Leopold Dion had been arrested multiple times for multiple charges here's some
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detailed background information on this guy he was Leopold Dion of Quebec City contracted tuberculosis
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as an infant and he spent most of his first 11 years of life in an institution run by nuns his father and mother they
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would visit him on a weekly basis his father was a Canadian Army Sergeant when he was cured of this illness he was
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then released from the institution so after 11 long years of living in an institution for the first years of his
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life he has finally sent home now once he is there he doesn't walk into a happy home because just four days
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later his mother and father separated and because of this split they placed him in an orphanage that makes
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would have to make you wonder as a kid my parents were together this whole time I come home four days later they get a
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divorce yeah so that's the unfortunate childhood of Leopold Dion but what it's going to
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lead to is that violent past that we referenced in 1937 at the age of 17 Leopold was charged with gross indecency
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and sentenced to four months in jail two years later in 1939 he was charged with attempted murder of a young woman
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but was acquitted due to the lack of evidence when he was 20 years old he was convicted of rape and attempted murder
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so now we have this guy again having this ruse to have some kind of relationship
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some kind of connection with this kid and now we know that he likes to whip out his dinghy he now has an attempted
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murder charge and then uh attempted murder charge and a rape charge against him so when he is 20 he is then
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convicted of rape and attempted murder wow so you know I know he's acquitted for the
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first charges based off of a lack of evidence but what you're seeing here is he's a possible reoffender who is very
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violent and his crimes seem to be sexually based now for this conviction Leopold was sentenced to life
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imprisonment with a recommendation that he never never be paroled and this shows
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you how far we are going back here in time and how old school this is but not only did he receive that life
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imprisonment conviction right in sentence but he also received plus 10 lashes oh so they would like hit him with a
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cane or yeah whip him or something of that nature you know we're gonna lock you up for life but before we do so
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we're gonna have to beat you up pretty good well I mean look you have you're gonna have some issues anyways if you're
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going to be isolated for that long you have really no 11 years that's the amount that he's going to be
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underdeveloped as far as Society is concerned that's going to be that's a big gap to try to make up and
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and when you look at a picture of him he looks pretty normal seems to be a non-threatening individual
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maybe maybe from the side profile that he he looks maybe a little meaner or scarier from the side profile I think
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that in lies like the issue with this type of case and when you hear when you're let's say that that the children
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knew that kids were going missing and they're hearing the rumors from their parents and from the community that
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there's a sex maniac on the loose right who's snatching up children well a child's mind will assume that they can
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see that they would be able to identify this monster when they see him right and
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so when you have this guy Leopold Dion who he looks like the a regular guy the average Joe he puts together this
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Persona that he has a job or at least something to offer these children and because he looks normal and he has a car
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and he dresses normal they're somewhat easily tricked now they're tricked into just joining him for maybe a ride or or
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a helping hand but it's again it goes back to the idea of a sex maniac is on the loose these
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kids think that they would be able to spot that somehow right and as Roy Hazelwood pointed out in our trailer
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earlier today from his great book The Dark dreams he says you know it's always a shock to
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society when these people are outed or when they're found out because they're usually respected people in the
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community or they fit into the community at least visually and the fake persona that they put out
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there and they're also hard to detect because they look like you and I well so this is
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the six C's and I didn't obviously grow up in the 60s but even in the 80s if you're over at somebody's you're over at
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your friend's house or something and their parents told you to do something you did it you you were taught to obey
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adults you were you were taught taught that adults are in charge and you are not so that becomes a tricky issue when
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you're trying to tell your kids hey look you got to watch out because there's somebody that's taking kids away from
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their homes away from their families but at the same time these kids are told over and over you listen to adults you
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speak when spoken to certain things like that which were more prevalent in in the
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60s than they obviously are now now people are saying hey if you see a stranger I don't I don't care
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how old they are or they're not your your boss but you'd have these you'd even have them situations where kid
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might get in trouble um at somebody's house and maybe even get spanked by the other parents and
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that was more commonplace so when you have somebody that kind of looks like their friend's dad or or a dad
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for all we know the guys driving up to these people going hey you're not supposed to be
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walking on this street you're not supposed to be walking alone getting in the car I'll drive you home yeah that's
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correct and so when he is 20 years old he's incarcerated for life imprisonment for this very violent crime
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and he was sent off to Montreal's Infamous Saint Vincent De Paul penitentiary while there he was considered to be a
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model prisoner however during his stay while they were able to confine him they were never able to treat any of his
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mental emotional and sexual issues records show that there was one part-time psychologist working at this
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Penitentiary during the entire 16 to 17 years that he stayed there because of his good behavior and despite the
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judge's recommendation that he never ever be paroled Leopold Dion was in fact paroled in 1956 but he wasn't out too
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long before he was at it again because just 40 Days Later four zero days later he was once again charged and convicted
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of gross indecency and returned to prison right but how did he get that out in the first place he got paroled well
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maybe we need to stop calling these sentences life sentences if they're if they're probably a couple years you know
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like come on give me a break it's either life or it's not life and and and then to have a
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individual like this with with such a heinous crime to even have the possibility of early parole that so he
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spent two more years at that Saint Vincent De Paul Penitentiary before being transferred to the Kingston
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Penitentiary this would be Leopold's first chance to truly receive some psychiatric help
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starting in 1962 he would meet with the prison psychiatrist once a month and somehow he managed to be paroled once
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again well yeah and I don't get that with the two violent crimes one well actually three violent crimes we got two
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attempted murders basically and then we have a rape charge you could throw away the the him him showing his dinghy to
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anybody I don't know if that matters but those violent crimes there's no way he should have been pearled well and gross
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indecency is kind of a blanket charge it's uh we don't always know exactly what that charge means I'm going to
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assume it says dingy out that he's guilty of it's like back in the day they would charge you with gross indecency
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they would charge you with sodomy they could charge you with in certain crimes larceny but that that usually meant a
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whole wide array of possibilities whereas today you see at least here in the states the United States we often
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have charges that that even sound very specific to the point where you hear what someone's charged with you you have
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a pretty good idea of what it is that they did yeah I mean some of them get confusing
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now you know I I don't like the the charges where um you know I've had a friend where he
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he's considered a sex offender because he was drunk and he was peeing by a school the school wasn't operating at
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the time it was at night but ends up getting further charges because he was basically exposed because he was peeing
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um by a school I don't really think that makes a lot of sense but so what so now
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we have four kids that went missing I do I do want to address that for a second I
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don't necessarily fully agree with that charge I guess and I don't know the complete situation my argument has
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always been in regards to that that the what the reason why you charge someone in that manner is because if you didn't
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then now that becomes the excuse that is accepted you know across the board that
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oh anybody can just whip it out wherever they want and you just claim oh I was urinating so it's okay yeah I I totally
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agree with that so so we have four four boys missing all roughly around the same age all
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roughly in the same area we have now this guy Leopold that has basically we we weren't for sure if
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there was a ruse to get this kid alone but now we know because they they went and confronted
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him and now we know that this guy has a a really bad past and this guy definitely has to be on the suspect list
00:42:37
for these four missing boys that's exactly right so what you have here is Leopold Dion was paroled in September of
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1962. these boys well they start to go missing in late April and then in May of 1963. so police have this complaint from
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this man about Leopold trying to pick up his son but really in regards to the actual four missing boys themselves they
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really do not have a lot connecting Leopold to their disappearances now there are several really smart things
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going on on the side of law enforcement at this time one it doesn't take a seasoned
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investigator to look at this guy Leopold Dion and go okay he has a rather violent
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past that involves rape and attempted murder heck he raped and stabbed a school teacher and left her for dead so
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really the only reason he didn't get charged with murder likely first degree murder is that the
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poor woman survived the attack yeah but we only have charges with Leopold against females not young boys the judge
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then recommends a life sentence for Dion the judge gave a strong recommendation that he never be released so if we are
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concerned that like the paper said that the boys may be victims of a Maniac well
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this might be the maniac that we are looking for secondly we have a complaint that he may
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have been trying to pick up a boy oh and his gross indecency conviction the victim there was an underage boy now
00:44:19
Presto Chango this guy that we just picked up is our number one suspect so what was really smart on the end of law
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enforcement is that Leopold is actually arrested and charged with a parole violation so they can simply hold him
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until he is adjudicated for those charges so LD Leopold Dion you ain't going anywhere until we sort this out so
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talk or waste away until your trial when and where you will be found guilty of said parole violation and sent back to
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prison and regardless how this missing four boys situation shakes out you might still be in prison for the rest of your
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