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[music] [music] [music] [music] >> Welcome to True Crime Garage. Wherever you are, whatever you are doing, thanks
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for listening. I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man that has pondered every question and he has all
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of the answers. He is the very wise and very suave Captain. [music] >> I have been called Captain Know-It-All
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before. Thank you, thank you, thank you. It's good to be seen and it's good to see you. Thanks for listening and thanks
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for telling [music] a friend. This is very special. Tonight we are drinking Black as Your Soul Red Wine
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Barrel Aged and for those of you scoring at home that's Ghost 525. Like I said, this is a very special
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beer. It's rare and we are lucky to have one thanks to Michael for sending us Black as Your Soul by Adroit Theory in
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beautiful Virginia. How did he know? How did How did who know? That my soul was black.
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This is a Russian Imperial Stout aged in red wine Zinfandel barrels. Mhm. It's almost too awesome to describe. I liken
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this as the Trent Reznor of beers because it's complicated and very, very good. Garage Grade, how about five out
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of five bottle caps? And Black as Your Soul is brought to us by Min in Miami, Florida. Min says there's nothing like
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lying on the beach listening to True Crime Garage and drinking a recommended beer. Mhm.
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She's got the life. Next a big cheers to Bianca from Brooklyn. We also have Kent
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in Bloomington, Indiana who was glad that we covered the Lauren Speer case. And also in Indiana in Crown Point we
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have Kelly. And a big cheers to my buddy Morton up in Copenhagen. Cheers [music] to you, old friend. And
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next we have a lot of love coming from the big great state of Texas. First up we have Kathy and her daughter Rachel
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from Austin. Also in Austin we have Isabel. >> [music] >> Don't want to forget about Ann in Austin
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as well. We have Lauren in Katy, Texas, Travis in Pasadena, Texas and Heatherly from Fort Worth. Mhm. Texas, we like
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your jib. Next up we want to send a happy birthday to Taylor D in New Albany from Stephanie. Also a happy 30th to
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Louisa in Cleveland, the land of the champions. Happy 40th to Brandon from Reggie in Nebraska and Amanda would like
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to wish her mother Sue a very happy, happy birthday. Well, happy birthday everybody. Next up in parts unknown we
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have Kim D. We also have Michael Ann who says maybe we will one day learn the Captain's true identity. Nope.
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Well, here here I'll tell you what my real name is. It's Batman. >> Well, now that cape makes a lot of
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sense. Also in parts unknown we have Britney, our man Cat Cereal Dan, Jeff, Shannon, Rachel and Ryan and last but
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not least a happy birthday shout out. This is from James to Nattie. James says happy birthday, Nattie. I love you. Mhm.
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Now let's be clear that James loves you, Nattie. I don't I don't know the first thing about him. Um it's I feel like
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Delilah here. Delilah. We got love connection coming from parts unknown to your parts unknown.
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>> [laughter] >> Sick. Sickos. >> All right, that's enough of the business. Grab the mailbag, Captain. I
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want to sit down with everybody, have a beer, answer some questions. So let's have more than one beer on this show.
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>> That's right. So everybody gather around, grab a chair and let's talk some True Crime Garage.
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>> [music] [music] >> All right, well you asked for it so you're going to get it. We've had a lot
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of people asking for a a Q&A session with the old Captain and old Nikolai. So here we are.
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>> up, people. >> Everybody's kind of eased into their couches, eased into their spots, they
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got their drinks. Mhm. Um reach out and grab that mailbag and let's let's hit them with letter number one.
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>> Here's a question we get all the time. If you could pick one case that you could solve,
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which case would that be? Wow. I thought these would be softball questions. That one That one's a tough
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one. That's an intriguing question because >> some softball questions. >> You know, if you were to pick something
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like um like the Zodiac cases, Mhm. you know, you you you could justify your answer by saying well, you would be able
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to solve a lot of murders all at once. Um but if we're just talking about one specific case, one victim,
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I would it would probably go back to me uh and I hate I hate to pick something that's already been on top of our list
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before, but the West Memphis 3 case just haunts me and it's something that pops in my mind every 30 or 40 days and it
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it's um I hate to sound selfish here, but I almost need that to be solved and resolved for me personally. Um plus I
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mean you talk about horrible situation with three very young victims. I should have stated that these questions are
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being asked. It's It's live. So it's not like we had a bunch of time to ponder these
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answers as well. Well, and I kind of want to top off my answer there and give a little reasoning by why I chose that
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case. Well, it's your show. Do what you want. >> It's um that's a case that they're not
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going to be actively investigating. Um and and therefore, you know, once that Alfred Plee came into into the deal, um
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as far as the state's concerned, that case is off the books. It's technically solved as far as the law goes. They're
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not going to investigate that case. So that's why I have to pick that one because a lot of these other cold cases
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are still being actively investigated. Yeah, that'd definitely be on the top of my list and I think we talk about that
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case so much, but there's all the, you know, the Brandon Lawson case, Brian Shaffer case, um
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that Adnan Syed case. Those cases constantly pop like we talked uh a couple episodes ago about the red
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light cases. There's those cases that pop into my brain all the time. JonBenét Ramsey,
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that'd be a great one to to fully know the truth. Um so that yeah, I I I know you said pick one. I just
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picked five. The next question regards people starting up uh their own podcast. You know, we get this question in many
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different forms. So kind of a summation of of all of those is, you know, what advice would you give to someone that
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wants to start up their own podcast and be successful doing it? Well, I think number one thing is find a subject that
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you can talk for hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours about and you don't really get tired of it.
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Something that really fascinates you. I think that's the key. I mean having a passion
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and normally if you're passionate about something, people follow. So I would say
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definitely do that first. And the second thing would be to have a hard, you know, toughen up your skin
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because there's a lot of haters out there. There's people that they're not even going to listen to your
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show. They're just going to find a way to hate on you. Also number three, invest money into yourself. So if you're
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going to start a podcast, don't just pull out your iPhone and record on your iPhone.
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Go on and we get technical questions all the time. What kind of equipment he use?
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The best thing you can do is go to like amazon.com and search for a recording package.
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Something that comes with a condenser mic, something that comes with a program, you know, PreSonus is a is a
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good company. They got good preamps. Get a good mic. Get a good program. Dive into how to record it so you can
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have at least decent quality for people to listen to your nasally drone. Yeah, and regarding the the hate mail and
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that's very that's very good thing that you keyed in on there. Uh thick skin because you will for every 10 people
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that like what you're doing that won't email you, that won't hit you up with the tweet, you'll get one person that
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will send you some hate mail all the time. Yeah, you only hear from the haters, which is really discouraging uh
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and it was for us in the beginning, but you just have to um you kind of have to put your blinders
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on and keep doing what you like. My recommendation too is would be to make sure that you have somebody on your team
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that is very much like the Captain, somebody that's incredibly intelligent, um somebody that knows what he's doing.
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Uh he's he's a social media ninja uh and he's a hell of a producer so and and recording engineer. Yeah, I mean I get a
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lot of hate mail saying you need to get off the show. I produce the show. So no. I'd be talking into a
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tin can if it wasn't >> talking to iPhone. Or the or the wall. All right, so that's kind of advice and
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if if you if anybody has any technical questions they would like to ask me, you can do so on social media and all that
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stuff. I'm happy to help or point you in the right direction. Okay, Sam asks, what do you have against cows? Oh, well
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that's a long list. Um I wonder if Sam is is is Sam being funny or is this because we did a a cow
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tipping uh post where because we were drinking the Spotted Cow beer. Mhm. Um I I if he
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if he is referencing that, but I personally love cows. Uh I would eat a T-bone steak right now. Well, that's
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nice. Yeah. Okay, speaking of eating, would you rather have dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer
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or to have a child with Casey Anthony? Well, that's not a fair question at all. Uh who's that from? Cuz that person's
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not here. Maddie, you are an unfair person. Um here's the problem with that question, Maddie. A child is a lifelong
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responsibility. I you have to be locked into Casey Anthony for the rest of your life. Uh dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer
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would certainly be easier. Um hopefully he's not doing the cooking, right, Captain? Right. Um but if if if let's
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say I had to choose between dinner with Jeffrey and dinner with Casey, I would still go with dinner with Jeffrey
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Dahmer. They're both despicable people in my my humble opinion. Well, yeah, and I and but at the end of the day, the the
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meal is going to smell wet way better than natural. >> [laughter] >> All right, let's get to another
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question. Let's see. Did you guys ever do a radio show like on a tape recorder when you're little
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kids? And do you still got them? That comes from Edith. That's a That's a great question, Edith. Um yeah, we
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actually we as strange as it sounds, we actually are guilty of doing that. >> school. Yeah, we were must have been
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very little. Um and we did it with a with a friend of ours. Um and I think what if I remember correctly, we had
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basically had a tape recorder, our three idiot voices, and and a little acoustic
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guitar. No, it was electric guitar. >> Was it electric guitar? Ooh, we were fancy. But we didn't plug it into
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anything. Okay. And our show was called Butt Radio. B B U T T Radio. Yeah, so it
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was very um very 7-year-old humor, I think. Yeah, and well, and a lot of what we did, too, was
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we'd like talk about the pre's, you know, like the stuff in between a song. And then we'd actually record a song.
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Yeah. Play a little Play a little Def Leppard. Yeah, play a little Yeah, or Duran Duran. Um
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but yeah, that's what we did in in elementary school. That turned into uh my best friend growing up, um CP1.
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Um we did a thing called uh our first TV show was called The Willies. Which I was not a part of.
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You and your friend CP1. >> Right. And then we turned it into the Pubert and Toad Show. So, my first
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nickname of any show was was Toad. Uh and we had weird outfits we wore. And The Willies was
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really like kid humor and very like we had to keep it clean cuz the only people that were watching it were his poor
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parents. You know, it's it's like they would have to come home and we'd be like, "Here's the tape. You got to watch
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this tape." And then they had to sit through the 30-minute tape we made. And then uh the Pubert and Toad Show, we
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actually um would tape record all these and then when we'd have these parties in high
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school, we'd show everybody the tapes. >> I was hoping to learn something today,
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and what I just learned is that in the Captain's 25-year radio career, he has never used his real name. Well, I
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started off in TV. Yeah. Pubert. Were you Pubert or I was Toad. Oh, you were Toad.
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>> CP1 was Pubert. All right. Another one that we get asked often is, "By covering
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true crime every week, does it affect your views on the justice system?" Um pooh.
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I I I actually don't think that it that it has affected my thoughts on the overall my overall opinion of the
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justice system. It certainly has given me quite a bit more insight into that, but my my opinion really hasn't changed.
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Um I think for the most part we do a pretty good job. It's It's a tough thing because it's never something that you're
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going to bat 1,000 at. Um but I I I think where we do fail um is that it seems to me like people um that
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people that don't have a lot of money or people that might be discriminated against, uh they I don't feel and never
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have felt that they get a fair swing at the plate. Well, I think your analogy is
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right. I mean, when you think about baseball, but in baseball, if you get 30%, if you hit 30%, you're an All-Star.
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You're an All-Star. And that's kind of where our justice system is. We're not even batting 30%. I think it's
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very very unfair and of people of color, very unfair of people without money. It's I think the
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more we dive into it and the more cases we cover, the more flaws I see in the system and how many cases
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um should have been solved and that haven't been. And really, like with anything though, Captain, it all comes
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down to good people. You know, and if you have any situation, regardless of you're talking about
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education or criminal justice or anything like that, if you if you have some bad people, it it's that specific
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area of the system's going to be bad. Um so, we all just need to be We need to be
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good, and we need to get better at what we do. Another question we get all the time. Uh
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now, this one is phrased differently. "Will you ever tour, and if so, please come to the UK?"
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Uh tour. I understand that like the Murderinos, um My Favorite Murder girls, they
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ladies, I should say. Um great show if you haven't checked that out. I know they do a tour.
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Uh I don't know if we ever will. We like the garage. Well, that >> [laughter] >> Well, the other thing, too, is we do two
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shows a week. Um you know, a lot you know, a lot of people enjoy the two shows. Some people want just one show
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again. By by opening it up to multiple episodes, you're actually able to spend time on the details or on your thought
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processes. And the people that say, "Well, I don't need your opinion." Well, I don't need your opinion, either.
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Um to me, me and Nick go back and forth on this. I I love the facts of the cases,
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but at the same time, uh you know, I think it's important for us to give our viewpoints on things.
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That's what we bring to the genre. That's what we bring to true crime is our background, our opinions. That's
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what we can bring. Everybody has their own story, their own thoughts, and we should be willing to share those. But as
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far as a tour goes, uh I I don't know. I think the the There's not enough time. The You're
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exactly right. The the problem with our schedule is because of doing two shows a
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week, it's very cumbersome, and we've actually doubled the workload on our end as well. So, um we would love to do a
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tour. We'd love to meet everybody. Um right now, it it it's it doesn't work in the schedule. The
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other question we get a lot is, "How long do we spend on an episode?" To record an episode,
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you know, we normally start um the average episode is probably about 6 hours to record. Now, what we do
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differently than a lot of other shows like Talking to um Generation Why and uh Sword and Scale, and and every
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show does their thing differently. We actually Now, for this show, we're actually just
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doing it live, and I'll go back and edit, but normally we edit live, meaning we say a couple lines, then we might
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edit, then we say more lines and go back and edit. So, we kind of edit on the fly. But the whole
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process, once you put in the intro, once you do um the beer fun and the ads and edit the whole show, you're looking at
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about a 6-hour to 8-hour process per episode. >> And and that's just the recording of
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that one episode. That has nothing to do with research or putting together notes
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or or composing the music. Any You know, we we of course have to do that before we get together in the garage and sit
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down to record. Yeah, and the the cases are very, I mean, because, you know, there's there's days that you can spend
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12 hours just doing research. So, it's very cumbersome, and I think and then on top of that, you should try
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to balance your life because we're dealing with such heavy topics, and you need that time on the weekend to
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just be yourself and not be the Captain or not be Nick from True Crime Garage and not dive into these heavy topics.
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So, to then, you know, to go, "Okay, well, it's Friday. I got to pack my bags and go to
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Austin, Texas" or something, it's a kind of hard to do. We won't actually answer
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this one, but uh what got you into true crime? We There's another Q&A show on the website if you want to check that
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out. That kind of has a lot of broader answers. That was in the first season season 1, like episode 15 or something
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like that. We have We give a That was a question, I think maybe our first question of that episode.
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>> Mhm. "In the history of true crime, in your opinion, who's the biggest douche
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canoe?" Uh that would vary depending on which day you ask me because, you know, so many so many of these
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animals are douche canoes um amongst other words. They also want us to stop saying animals because,
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you know, there are are a bunch of lovely animals. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I I mean that in a bad way, I guess, but
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um Mhm. Uh so, just off the top of my head, if I had to pick one right now, click, boom,
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I'd say Pee Wee Gaskins. Um and for reasons that I won't get into, but we we've been asked several times to cover
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his case. He he was a serial killer. Um tiny little guy. Um but he did some things that I won't mention here. Um and
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actually because of because I despise him so much um and I've even responded this way to a few
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people that have asked us to cover Pee Wee Gaskins, I will not waste my breath discussing
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uh Pee Wee Gaskins anymore. Okay. I was going to say you just you just wasted a lot of breath right
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there. >> Nope. I hate him. Uh mine would just be anybody that any crimes against children. I mean
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I think you heard my disdain for uh Casey Anthony, but you know, that's just one
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individual. There's a bunch of them out there that did um just as bad if not worse.
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And so yeah, all those would be in the category for me. I I look, I understand [clears throat] people want a one person
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answer. I can't do it. What's your favorite beer? Uh today it's Black as Your Soul.
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Um Uh usually it's the beer that's in front of me. But um >> [laughter] >> You know, I I actually uh
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I had some beer email the other day. And one of them had one of the gentlemen had
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commented saying, you know, um uh you know, "Captain, could you get Nick to drink some real beer, you know,
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not not these uh you know, flavor wild beers or anything like that." I like variety. Um I'm willing to try every
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beer out there. Um uh I guess if this guy meant real beer like regular American ale, American
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lager. Um I I don't I like to sit down on a hot day and pull a can from a cooler.
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There's something magical that happens inside that cooler when you ice down some beers all day long. And I don't
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care if it's a Budweiser, a Busch beer, a Miller Lite, Miller High Life. Boo. Yeah, I like I like everything.
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>> [laughter] >> I like all the beers. Uh PBR. Love a good PBR. My my favorite beer is Guinness. I
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normally drink a lot of Guinness. If you would have asked him a year ago, he would have said Red Stripe. Yeah, I
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drank Red Stripe for a really long time. Um Uh Dortmunder Gold would be my If I wanted a a somewhat
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fancy, not too fancy beer, that probably would be my favorite one. Which case immediately turned you off and why? You
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want me to answer this one? >> Yeah, go ahead. I have to think for a minute. >> I will just start with and I don't I
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don't want to get hate mail. Um two cases particularly. And one is well, I'll start with Adnan
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Syed's case. I'm super fascinated by that case. I've dove into that case more than
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most of the cases that we've covered on the show. We've tried to find multiple ways to cover it. The last which I
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thought was a clever way was that we wanted to go through a point system. Here's the major points of the
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case you know, that either weigh in favor of Adnan or weigh against him. The problem with covering a case like
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this and the other case would be the Steven Avery case, The Making of a Murder. The problem with those two cases
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are how close people are. And when you have a case like that that you get invested in to so much
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no matter what I say or what I believe will change somebody else's viewpoint of what they believe. So all it does is
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create this room for animosity in those two cases immediately turn me off as far
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as wanting to cover those. And we we get talked about it all the I um Adnan's case has not been brought up so much.
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I think in the beginning it was a little bit. But uh the Steven Avery case has constant constantly been brought up to
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cover that case, cover that case. Probably won't cover that. >> I uh I'm going to I'm going to kind of
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to follow you there a little bit. Uh the Steven Avery case is a big turn off for
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me as far as discussing it. Um I did watch the show. I thought the show was highly entertaining. Um I also read a
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book about the case well before the documentary came out. Um and I can't think of the name of that book, but I if
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anybody can find that, you probably find it if you just Google Steven Avery. I highly recommend that book. Um
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that one turns me off because I Okay, so I go to this beer club. I'm in a beer club. Bunch of guys get together, you
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know, every so often and drink beers. Well, you know, me being the true crime dork out of the out of the batch when
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that show was going on, everybody wanted to talk to me at beer club about Steven
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Avery and and get my opinion on what was going on. The problem was I didn't share
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the same opinion regarding the outcome or or who is guilty or not guilty uh as they did. And it always turned in it
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We go to beer club for fun and it would turn into some kind of debate. So I think that atmosphere is what turned me
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off from uh that that particular case. Another one that I'll kind of lump a whole bunch of them together.
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And I do like the show, you know, like the the evening time uh major network true crime shows. And I
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and I I know they cover more than that, but like Dateline, 20/20, 48 Hours, things like that.
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Uh those are good shows. The problem for me is 50% of the time it's like the same
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case in a different location with different names. It's always the cheating husband killed the wife and you
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know, it's just spending an hour putting together information to convince you of
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that or to show why he is guilty. It's um it it it's just not it's just not um the the those are all horrible events,
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but it doesn't intrigue me enough to want to sit there and and watch that same crime play out over and over again.
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Are you going to try to solve a crime? We have. Um you know, we've we've given we've
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supplied some tips. Uh we've Oh, we haven't solved any crimes. >> We have not solved any crimes. Sorry, I
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should be clear about that. Uh but what I what I mean is we we have tried to help or assist
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um by providing information that we've stumbled upon or information that's been provided to us. We've tried to
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allocate that to the right and appropriate people in departments um and let them run with it. They're the
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investigators. They're involved in in the real action. Um so we'll continue to do that.
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>> Are the host of True Crime Gay Rage 420 friendly? Well, I was born on 420. So am I 420 friendly?
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Uh do whatever you want to do. It's not not up to for me to tell you. Do I partake in it?
00:26:30
No. That's just me. I'm going to Jamaica in August and I certainly will be uh very friendly during that entire trip.
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All right. Have we considered doing a video podcast? No. I'm not interested in that personally. I
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have a face for audio. Nice audio face. No, I I look, I understand that some people are are
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going that way with different shows. I know Joe Rogan does his show, but they also post a live feed. We're not a full
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conversation show. I mean, we do have conversation, but a lot of the times is we you know, we're putting out facts.
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Mhm. And that has to be done and and appropriate and appropriate way for you know, the victims, for everybody
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involved and for the listener to to understand what actually happened. So it's it would be pretty difficult to
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do. I mean, we could do a Q&A show like this live. Right. But again, that's a you know, we're already working as much
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as we can on this show. So to add one more element, it's kind of like the vlogs. People said, "When are these
00:27:37
vlogs going to come out?" It's just I run out of time. And so you you have to pick your battles. Do I
00:27:43
reply to everybody on social media or do I make the show better for the week? Do
00:27:48
I do a vlog this week or do I get what I need to get done for the show this week? Well, and unfortunately, I
00:27:55
don't know that our format or the way we do things would would translate to a uh video type podcast.
00:28:03
>> Would you ever want to do a one unsolved case uh kind of like uh Up and Vanished,
00:28:09
which is a great show. I know they had a new episode come out today, I think, that everybody's really excited about.
00:28:16
So would we want to focus on one case and spend months and months on? Possibly. We've we've been kicking the
00:28:22
tires on that idea for quite some time. Um we have a handful of cases in mind uh
00:28:27
for that. So we've certainly considered doing some type of series. But we also want to stay true to what we're
00:28:33
currently doing uh and and hoping to give a new case, you know, every week or new case every 2 weeks.
00:28:39
>> Well, yeah, and we're we're actually in talks right now with a producer to start
00:28:43
working on a audio documentary, kind of like um S-Town. Ours would be solely true crime though. All right,
00:28:51
fascinating stuff with Nick and the Captain. Holding on to my Holding on to my seats.
00:28:57
Holding on to my seat parts. My seat parts of unknown. We'll get back to this right after a quick beer break.
00:29:06
>> [music] >> All right, we're back. Cheers. All right, uh question we get all the time
00:29:30
is research. Do we just randomly Google search information or is there certain places that you start your research
00:29:37
process? It it's actually different for every case and I hate hate to give an answer like that. It it varies depending
00:29:45
on what is out there. You know, if I can if we're discussing a subject, you know,
00:29:50
an author that I like has written a book about, I might I might read that book. Um
00:29:57
Or but yeah, some Google searches are involved. Once in a while I'll get on WebSleuths. I don't get on there every
00:30:03
week regarding our cases, but sometimes I'll get on there because a lot of the WebSleuths community, they have just a
00:30:10
message board where you can just kind of throw out your theory or question this or that about any particular case. Um so
00:30:18
I like to it's not so much to find out what people think are interesting on cases, but it's
00:30:23
it's more like finding out what's wrong with the case, what's missing from the investigation. You know, a lot of times
00:30:30
you really only need one or two pieces to put the whole puzzle together. And sometimes you need somebody else's input
00:30:38
to to locate that piece or two. >> Another question that's been asked a bunch is what case got us into true
00:30:44
crime. That's pretty much again on the website. It's free and it's in the store page, but it's technically free. There's
00:30:51
another Q&A show that I think we did on season 1. But what case got us you know, you into true crime or me into
00:30:58
true crime. My my first major one was West Memphis 3 and then a a recent [clears throat] case that
00:31:06
really got me kind of hooked back into the subject would be Maura Murray. Yeah, I I don't remember
00:31:12
if I went into depth with this in in the Q&A that we did back in season 1. Oh, by
00:31:17
the way, anybody that wants old episodes that are not available on iTunes, the first two seasons are available for
00:31:23
purchase on iTunes or on our website store page. And as the captain just said, there's a couple of free ones on
00:31:29
there as well. We still to this day get asked several times a week how do I locate your first 40 episodes or 39
00:31:36
episodes, whatever it is. That's where you find them. For me, when I was young, I got two
00:31:41
books and one was called the greatest unsolved mysteries and the other one was called
00:31:47
something about solved mysteries or something. Those names are not right, but that's what I remember. This was
00:31:52
from when I was like 11 or 12. And the first one that I read that was solved was about the
00:31:59
Chowchilla kidnappings. And that's an interesting case where I believe it was three guys, they hijack a
00:32:05
school bus and they took all of the school children on that that bus and held them for ransom. Um and it's a
00:32:13
solved case and fortunately nobody was nobody was harmed. I think a lot of people have a lot of PTSD still to this
00:32:20
day for regarding that. And then the first unsolved case that I remember reading in the unsolved book
00:32:25
was the Lizzie Borden case um back from the late 1800s. She went on trial for killing her father and her stepmother
00:32:36
with an axe. Uh this was in Fall River, Massachusetts, I believe. And she was acquitted of that at trial. And to this
00:32:45
day there's many many people that still believe that she's guilty. There's that old um
00:32:50
that old rhyme that goes Lizzie Borden took an axe and gave her mother 40 whacks. And when she had seen what she
00:32:56
had done, she gave her father 41. Um so >> Well, that's cute. Those were the first
00:33:01
two solved case and unsolved case that I remember reading about. Uh can you guys
00:33:07
talk about the moment where one of you said, "Let's do a podcast." and the other's reaction. I think we talked
00:33:13
about this before, but it's kind of funny. We're both laid off. We were laid off. Mhm. At the time when
00:33:20
we when we started this podcast. Um and we had actually talked about starting up a podcast jokingly
00:33:28
over the phone several times. And I think once we were both laid off, we had time to to take on a project.
00:33:35
Uh I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think we were super serious about it in the beginning.
00:33:40
It wasn't until we actually sat down and started recording. We didn't know what we were doing,
00:33:46
but we we were having fun doing it. And then people started listening. >> Yeah, but it kind of went like this.
00:33:53
Okay, yeah, let's do a podcast. What do you want to talk about? Uh I'm thinking true crime. And I think
00:33:59
we should >> [laughter] >> I still remember him saying Uh this is Nick saying this by the way.
00:34:05
He said, "I think we should do a true crime podcast and I think we should uh uh do a beer of the week."
00:34:12
>> [laughter] >> I These all sounded like bad ideas to him back then. They still sound like bad
00:34:18
ideas. No, but it was kind of like I was like, "What? I guess when we when if you would break down
00:34:25
our conversations that we would have, what, 70% would be true crime or conspiracy. Mhm. So Like
00:34:35
Yeah. It just kind of I mean, we don't normally talk about uh life goals and and stuff like that. So we'd always kind
00:34:43
of gravitate towards West Memphis 3 or JFK. JFK. We'd always end up talking about that stuff after a
00:34:50
drink or two and just seemed right. Yeah, or music. We talked about music a lot. That would probably be the other
00:34:56
subject. We we like to do this game where we get drunk where we say like uh you know, like best love song
00:35:05
Mhm. that's not about a girl. Mhm. You know, or best rock song not about rocking. Best rock
00:35:14
song about rocking. Which is obviously those about to rock, we salute you. All right, do we ever disagree on cases to
00:35:22
cover and not end up covering that case? We might have different answers for this
00:35:29
question. My answer would be no. We definitely disagree on what cases to cover from time to time. But I think we
00:35:36
respect each other enough that if one of us feels The thing is when we cover these cases, it's very important
00:35:42
that that one or both of us be passionate about the case because it will show in our research and show in
00:35:48
our presentation of the case. Mhm. So my answer is that yes, we disagree on them, but I believe we respect each
00:35:57
other enough that it it just means that we won't be covering it that week. It goes on a list and we will get to, you
00:36:03
know, the captain's case or my case eventually. Right. The majority of the time I think we're we both get excited
00:36:10
about the same case, you know, cuz we'll kind of we'll come up with nine or 10 and kind of talk briefly about each one.
00:36:16
And we can tell right away which ones that that we're both into. What is one case you'll never cover and why? Mhm.
00:36:23
Well, so I should probably give a different answer than Pee Wee Gaskins since I since I just said that. I'll just go
00:36:30
ahead with my answer thinking that I'm assuming that we'll never cover Adnan Syed's case.
00:36:38
So. Um one that we've gone back and forth about throughout this entire process is JonBenét Ramsey. We've had many
00:36:48
discussions about we should cover it or we shouldn't cover it. Um we're still kind of I'll speak for the both of us.
00:36:55
We're still kind of on the fence of whether to do it or not. Some The problem is some of these cases have been
00:37:01
covered so many times. Uh and if you look hard enough, some of them have been covered very well. When we cover a case,
00:37:08
we generally want to try to add something to the conversation. Uh bring something into the fold, you know, and
00:37:15
if we don't think that we can do that, we we're we're not likely to cover the case. That doesn't mean we will never
00:37:21
cover JonBenét. It's just one that pops to the top of my mind because the captain and I have had this discussion
00:37:27
many times. Is there any plans for Nick and Captain bobbleheads or beer koozies?
00:37:33
No plans for bobbleheads and definitely plans for the beer koozies. The problem with merchandise is again, you know, I
00:37:40
know, you know, there's a lot of other shows that have, you know, different merchandise and stuff like that.
00:37:46
Uh this is a two-person operation and that's pretty much it. We run our own website. We record all
00:37:53
the shows. We upload them ourselves. If you bought a t-shirt, one of us put that t-shirt in that bag. So again, it's
00:38:02
one of those things where it just comes down to time. And when we can find more time, we we put out that stuff. And with
00:38:08
the t-shirts, too, you know, we even we even go as far to be included on the process of designing what goes on the
00:38:15
shirt, what type of shirt it goes on, the color involved, all of that stuff. We try to keep our our hands on
00:38:20
everything that is True Crime Garage. Another question we get often is the is our logo the garage?
00:38:28
Like are we sitting in that garage? >> Right. That's a question we get often. >> That's a pretty beat up garage in that
00:38:36
picture. It would not be comfortable to sit in that garage and record for 6 hours.
00:38:43
>> Well, the first garage we sat in in the summer, it was just I mean, it was awful.
00:38:49
Uh the first garage that we were in for I think the first eight episodes or so. It It was just to the point where
00:38:56
the amount of sweat coming off of us, you know, we might record for 20 minutes and then we'd have to open up the garage
00:39:03
door and take another 20-minute break because we're just sweating. It was It's pretty gross. Yeah, we If you listen to
00:39:09
the first six, seven, eight episodes, we were actually in a detached garage, a very large one. We recorded all of those
00:39:18
episodes in the summertime. So it'd get very hot. And on top of that, you would hear we
00:39:24
would have to stop frequently because you would hear dogs barking outside or somebody honking their horn.
00:39:30
So so yes, we are not in the garage that you see on the picture there. All right,
00:39:36
another question we get a bunch is by diving into true crime cases every week and so often has it affected you
00:39:44
mentally? Like with in the sense of do you find it to depresses you or or what you think of
00:39:52
people in general? Okay, so before we started doing the the podcast I believe that I I have a gut reaction
00:40:03
and gut feeling to most of the people that I meet. I don't think I don't think everybody
00:40:09
shady. I think most people are good people. I do believe that we encounter a certain
00:40:14
number of bad people almost on a daily basis. One thing that I've done in my own personal life throughout the my
00:40:21
entire lifetime is if somebody gives me a bad feeling if for whatever reason even if I can't put my finger on it it
00:40:28
maybe they've done nothing at all. But if I get a bad feeling about somebody I won't go anywhere with them. I won't be
00:40:34
around them. I will try not to speak to them. So I've always done that. Now the thing that has affected me regarding
00:40:42
having the show and doing the podcast is and this is pretty depressing because I
00:40:47
do believe we generally live in a good world. But now I feel like I get very weary when I see a a child
00:40:56
walking alone somewhere. I almost feel and in stranger abductions we've pointed this out before are
00:41:03
actually a very rare thing that happens. Usually a child is abducted by somebody
00:41:08
they know and those are still rare occurrences as well. But I I don't know why it it it didn't happen right away
00:41:15
when we started this podcast but at some point like now that it's summertime it's
00:41:18
beautiful out today. I will probably see a child walking alone somewhere today and it will it will bother me or it will
00:41:26
cause me to look around and take take observation of the surroundings. So yes, that's I know that's a strange
00:41:33
thing to say but that that's one way that it has affected me. Yeah, I kind of have to put a time limit on things. It's
00:41:39
like when we did the ad for Mommy Dead and Dearest or the HBO documentary. >> [sighs]
00:41:47
>> I have to look at my work schedule and and and think to myself how much have I
00:41:54
actually dove into true crime this week. And if it's too much sometimes I have to
00:41:59
put a documentary that I maybe really want to see on hold just because I think the
00:42:04
constant of it can get a little dark. The other weird thing on your level is when you said
00:42:11
well when I see a child a weird thing that happens with me is you know you know meet
00:42:18
I'll meet a mom. Of course everybody's going to laugh about this. You know my friend will be a mother,
00:42:24
right? And it's like the kid comes up and go hey how old's your kid? Six and I I immediately will think JonBenét Ramsey
00:42:33
or Adam Walsh. And then somebody will go Oh, my other kids eight and I immediately think Stevie Branch.
00:42:41
And and that's odd or you know we're going to go get Kentucky Fried Chicken. I immediately think John Wayne Gacy. So
00:42:53
which before I used to think about Jaco Pastorius because he would put a little chicken bone in his pocket and he would
00:42:59
rub his hands with the chicken bone before he played bass. So that's definitely a change and that's
00:43:05
definitely you know again sometimes you have to keep those thoughts to yourself. You can't just
00:43:11
blurt those out. The thing that gets me sometimes is I ride my bike often. And I was riding
00:43:21
by the school and behind the school is kind of a wooded area and I will see things
00:43:31
like I was riding one day and these three boys on bicycles were riding back into the woods and probably about 8
00:43:38
years old. And stuff like that there's this part of me that goes do I go back into the woods and make sure
00:43:45
nothing happens to them? But you know you can't control every situation. So there there is there there are things
00:43:52
that can get you down about it but you know if it wasn't for you know a lot of people ask what podcast do we listen
00:44:00
to. I respect and love pretty much every true crime podcast I've listened to. I tend to not listen to them often. So
00:44:08
like when Mike from Sword and Scale said hey you guys seem like cool guys and you
00:44:13
want to do this little bit with us. He's like never listened to your show. Not because he doesn't want to it's just
00:44:19
you don't have a lot of time because you're producing a show and then on top of that do you want to know what
00:44:25
everybody else in the true crime world is doing? That's That's funny that you said Sword and Scale though because we
00:44:30
got an email the other day from a listener that said hey I got a case that's hi captain I got a case that's
00:44:35
perfect for your show Sword and Scale. So I'll get somebody got that wrong completely. It's not my show it's Mike's
00:44:42
show but um it's good for me to have podcast that aren't of the true crime genre to kind of you know I
00:44:51
shows like Chris D'Elia's show Congratulations. That show cracks me up. I really like Joe Rogan's show cuz it
00:44:58
can be funny but it can also get into some deep stuff. And then every week I listen to um
00:45:04
This American Life because I have a a producer friend that listens to it and we kind of just
00:45:10
always kind of talk about the episode. What was the hardest case to cover emotionally? For me it was the Tika
00:45:18
Lewis case. There's been a few of these that have really got to me. Um I don't know if if you know the captain
00:45:26
knows this but I don't I don't know if anybody else could tell this but when we covered Casey Anthony and I was reading
00:45:31
George Anthony's suicide note I we I had to tell the captain to stop a couple times cuz it was
00:45:37
at some point when you're reading that his words became my words almost in it and like it started affecting me pretty
00:45:44
badly. Um but I would say probably the Tika >> was crying in the garage. I would probably say the Tika Lewis
00:45:51
case. That was the small girl that went missing in um I don't have her information right in
00:45:56
front of me but I believe it was Washington state. She was believed to be have been abducted from a bowling alley.
00:46:03
Now the poor little girl was probably only about 3 years old. So maybe the youngest one of the
00:46:09
youngest victims we've discussed at length on the show. Doing the research for that case was very tough for me.
00:46:17
Very depressing and very emotional week that week so the Tika Lewis case if I had to pick
00:46:24
just one. Well, it's so weird too when you're crying in the garage not to make a joke about it but
00:46:29
cuz it wasn't that funny at all cuz I was I was very disfocused on coming in you know
00:46:36
you know Nick is leading the conversation. That's obviously no surprise here. So I have to be on my toes and know when
00:46:43
to interrupt when to interject. I try not to interrupt as much. I've been listening to the comments.
00:46:50
But I'm recording the whole thing. And so I got to you know I'm I was so focused that emotionally I wasn't in
00:46:57
that same realm and I I obviously didn't have to read the words but it was just like very
00:47:03
awkward thing where you got somebody you know crying and you're going okay okay just uh It wasn't like a It wasn't like
00:47:10
a a big time cry. It wasn't like choke. It wasn't like waterfall with snot bubbles
00:47:16
and all that. It was It was It was a big strong man choking up. Yeah, what was What's that lady that the
00:47:22
lady that does the snot bubbles so well? Oh, she was in doubt and she was in that
00:47:27
movie with uh Fences. Yeah. I can't think of her name but she man she snot bubbles every crying scene that
00:47:34
she does. I've been standing here by with you. I've been standing right That's what I started doing.
00:47:39
>> you what that is some damn good acting. If you can snot bubble on cue Oh, she's
00:47:43
amazing. Exactly how big is the captain's jib? Okay, well let's What does that even mean? I don't even know.
00:47:50
I'm 6'3" and my shoes are size 14 if that gives you I just a big burly dude. Okay, jib. What does jib
00:47:58
mean? It's It's actually old sailor's term which is funny because it's we didn't plan it that way. It's just
00:48:06
there's a bunch of old sayings that I say you know I like your jib. You know you
00:48:12
know that guy you know I like the cut of his jib. All it means for the people that don't know what it means. The
00:48:17
people that don't want to spend any I love people that you know write in what does
00:48:23
jib mean? It's like can't can't you just Google it? Why you got to write to me? Just Google it.
00:48:29
Basically it means we like your character. We like if we say we like the cut of your jib we like your character.
00:48:37
We like what you're made of. And that's all it is. How big is my jib? That's for your imagination. How do you
00:48:43
guys feel basically living in the serial killer capital of the country Ohio? What? O H I O
00:48:52
I feel great living in Ohio. >> I disagree with that statement. I disagree with that statement and and I
00:48:59
don't know numbers. I don't have you know a list of serial killers by state in front of me. I do know that Ohio has
00:49:06
its and has had its good share of them unfortunately. I would argue that California and maybe
00:49:16
um California certainly has had a ton of them. I would argue that they've had the
00:49:20
most. New York has had a bunch. The other thing too Washington state's a weird one because they've had a lot of
00:49:26
famous serial killers. So we tend to One thing that's crazy for for people that aren't into true crime that much they
00:49:35
think that serial killers are a very rare thing that there's only like one at every 10 years in the United States. No,
00:49:42
there's a whole batch of them that nobody's ever heard of. Um so that's a hard thing to say. How do
00:49:47
we feel about living in the he he or she said the serial killer capital of the world. I love Ohio. John.
00:49:54
So he's like I love Columbus. I've grown up with this city. Um Well, he hasn't grown up much, but yeah.
00:50:01
>> And the city has grown up with me. I feel that it's the right size of city for me. Um it's also a very
00:50:07
understanding and intelligent community as well. So I love living in Columbus. I
00:50:11
will always live here or near here. I love Ohio. And I again, California. Lots of serial killers.
00:50:21
All right. So >> So there John. Steve wants to know what is the captain the captain of.
00:50:26
>> The garage. Duh. Um Your mom. And actually he he he he technically holds no rank outside of these four walls. Um
00:50:35
No. I actually get annoyed by people that I'm friends with that call me the captain.
00:50:40
>> He he is >> annoying. He is >> a real name. >> the captain of himself. It's Gurn.
00:50:46
That's my real name, Gurn Blanchett. >> Gurn the third. Okay. Would we ever consider doing live
00:50:53
episodes in front of an audience? Sure. I'm not doing anything this evening. Uh no. Uh I will be at Jimmy's Chicken
00:51:01
Shack participating in the hot body contest and afterwards it will follow with a
00:51:07
a live true crime garage show. Guy doesn't work out enough for a hot body contest, but It's not a tough contest.
00:51:14
It's not a tough man contest. Would we do a live show? We've we like we've talked about touring. Would we do
00:51:20
a tour? Probably not. We would like to do some meet-ups and probably if we did the meet-up,
00:51:25
what's the point of meeting up with us? I think one to shake hands and say hi and meet everybody and tell tell you
00:51:31
thank you so much for for affecting our lives the way you have. I think if we did that we'd also just
00:51:38
kind of do it live Q&A just for fun. Would we record that? Maybe through video or something and then
00:51:45
you know, possibly possibly toss it up on YouTube or something. That's something I think we
00:51:49
should do. At you know, and we've talked about it quite a bit. I think we should
00:51:53
do something like that. We do like a beer tasting mixed with a Q&A and maybe a a short you know, version of a of a of
00:52:00
a regular episode. >> Okay. So as the show has been getting bigger, how has that affected you?
00:52:06
Really not at all. Other than I have to >> [laughter] >> Well, it hasn't really affected me in
00:52:11
any way that that's outstanding other than you know, now where I wasn't really known as a true crime guy. I was kind of
00:52:19
a closeted true crime dork Right. amongst some of my friends. There were some people that I would openly speak
00:52:27
about this you know, the reading and TV watching that I do. But now the majority of my family, you
00:52:34
know, all of my family is aware as well. And so other than people asking me questions regarding true crime
00:52:42
uh you know, constantly. It's not truly affected me in any way at all. How about you
00:52:49
Captain? I'm just a lot busier. You know, with the with the show doing the social media and
00:52:55
uh I was I was a lot more private, you know. I got a question the other day. Somebody asked me, why do you have your
00:53:02
Instagram as private if you accept everybody? Well, there are some people in my past that I just don't really care
00:53:09
for them to see what what's going on with me. So a lot of these stuff is personal and it's very odd.
00:53:16
Uh I mean, I've played in bands before. So you'd think that would be something um that I'd somewhat be used to, but
00:53:25
but I was a musician. I wasn't just a band guy. I was a normally a hired musician. So I wasn't always in promo
00:53:33
pictures and stuff like that. So to kind of be um just feel how um unpersonal that can be sometimes or the
00:53:45
comments that you get. It's almost like they're talking about you as if you're not a person and I think that
00:53:53
sometimes gets to me. It is it is in a weird way a bit of an emotional roller coaster because you know, when you and I
00:54:00
get together we put out what we feel is a really good episode. I'm I'm on cloud nine for a while. You know, I'm quite
00:54:06
high on it for a while and and then you know, the next morning or that evening I'll receive some negative
00:54:13
email or see something negative on our website and it just kind of kicks you right in the jib and you're like, oh.
00:54:18
You know, you you know, so so it's it is. It's peaks and valleys. Peaks and valleys. All right. Captain, how do you
00:54:24
deal with all the negative people that are trying to bring you down the way you approach the podcast? He sends clowns to
00:54:31
their house. I'll kick you in the goddamn grundle. On a serious note, I mean, when we first
00:54:38
started it was horribly depressing. I think we're probably episode eight or 11. Which one was Adam Walsh?
00:54:48
Uh probably 11. Yeah. So I think it was around there where I just told Nick, I don't I don't want to talk on the show
00:54:54
anymore. Just because here's the facts. All right. Just the facts, man. Just the
00:55:01
facts. Here's for all the just the facts people. I was diagnosed with different things,
00:55:07
but what I believe is I suffer from severe depression. So when you read a bunch of crap about how stupid you are
00:55:15
or whatever, when you're the one that's essentially putting the whole show together, that stuff can bother you. And
00:55:22
then one day it just hit me where it's like none of this is real. This is we're tossing this out into this
00:55:29
universe that I'm not really a part of. So I kind of put it in those terms. So whether it's negative feedback or
00:55:37
positive feedback, I try not to let either one affect me. So it's like, you know, when there's these goofy comments
00:55:44
on Instagram that are positive um even though they might treat you like a piece of meat,
00:55:51
those the good comments and the negative comments I try not to let affect me. Now
00:55:56
that being said, there are a different type of comment. When somebody says to me,
00:56:02
you helped me get through work, you helped me through my commute, to me that is normally more sincere. That's the
00:56:10
stuff. That's the reason why I'll put the time and the effort into it. You know, to that that's the reason why
00:56:16
I listen to podcast. You know, was to get from work and all that stuff. So those those those comments affect me
00:56:26
in a positive way where now the haters haters going to hate, ain'ters going to ain't. But even the you know, some of
00:56:33
the silly comments that are brought try not to you know, have one way or the other
00:56:40
affect me. And and I don't want to I don't want to give the vibe out that it's all negative feedback. I I actually want
00:56:46
to thank everybody. Um I didn't get a chance to do this because I received so many emails from people that were
00:56:53
sending links or copies of the Boston Globe magazine. They did a very they did really good coverage on the body barrels
00:57:00
case that that we covered. Um and that's it's a recent article. So I've had a ton
00:57:05
of people sending that to me and I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank
00:57:09
everybody that sent me that incredible article by the Boston Globe. How many beers do you normally drink during an
00:57:16
episode? >> [laughter] >> Um I would say an accurate statement would be two. Um I think
00:57:26
>> It used to be more. Used to be more, but then towards the end I would notice that
00:57:30
I was talking in circles which I which I do naturally anyway, but uh Yeah. So two would be an accurate
00:57:37
statement. Sometimes I just taste the beers. Again, I don't want to make it like a dark depressing episode. This is
00:57:43
supposed to be a fun episode for us. Uh we kind of needed a break, but we get asked all these questions. We thought uh
00:57:50
we'd just answer them on the show. Sometimes I just sip take a couple taste. Some episodes I'll
00:57:57
drink some beers, but >> [clears throat] >> again I deal with depression. So I have to
00:58:03
watch how much I drink on a weekly. You know, people will send me a Snapchat. Hey, what are you drinking tonight?
00:58:09
Well, maybe not anything. But that's just something for my own personal mental health and and physical
00:58:17
health. >> You know what the other thing that's fun about this show too, Captain, is it we
00:58:22
you know, we kind of have different things that we do for the show. We have different departments. And you know, so
00:58:28
the captain, if you send something regarding social media, he's going to he's going to be the one to respond.
00:58:35
Mhm. And if you send something regarding email or typically with the website itself with the blog that's going on
00:58:42
there, typically it's me that you will get the response from. So Mhm. rarely do we have a situation where we are able to
00:58:50
both give an answer regarding one question. So that's really I think for me the big reason why why we
00:58:57
wanted to do this today. >> Yeah. And if you if you're not following Nick on Untappd, you should do so. Why
00:59:02
am I Why is Nick on Untappd and I'm not? Nick doesn't do do any social media. Well, Nick likes to frequent bars and he
00:59:11
drinks a lot more beers than I do. Mhm. So that's why he and you need to follow him cuz it's pretty interesting. Have
00:59:18
you ever had any nightmares about the cases you covered? >> Yes. Yes, I have, but I can't specifically
00:59:24
hone into a specific case. Mhm. Um I told you about the time where um this is kind of
00:59:32
a a funny story for me. One time I fell asleep listening to a podcast, not our show. It was a true crime podcast. I
00:59:40
believe it might have been True Murder. Big shout out to Dan Dan Zupansky, my buddy. Dan Zupansky, the Godfather of
00:59:47
true crime. And I think I was listening to his show and he was talking about a a guy that had abducted some teenage
00:59:55
girls. And this was technically a couple of these cases were technically solved. So
01:00:02
he was able to give an account of what actually took place. So I woke up in the morning
01:00:08
and I I grabbed my the first piece of paper I could find and a pen and I started jotting things down because I
01:00:15
believed that I had some kind of dream that some some kind of psychic dream where I knew what happened to these poor
01:00:22
these poor teenagers. And then I quickly noticed that my my uh my bed phones were connected to my phone
01:00:30
and they were lying on the bed next to me and I checked the episode and I listened to it again that day and
01:00:36
realized that everything that I dreamt was because I was hearing it through the bed phones as I was sleeping. Yeah, a
01:00:43
lot of people fall asleep to our show or other true crime shows. I find that a little odd.
01:00:50
You know, just a little odd. Well, it's talk it's it's pretty much talk radio which can be
01:00:55
a kind of a soothing thing to listen to. Yeah, one of my producer friends has begged me to do a sleep podcast.
01:01:02
Where I just uh you know, talk like this and put people to sleep. I probably won't do that cuz I
01:01:09
don't have a lot of time. As your fan base has been growing internationally, will we start
01:01:15
discussing cases outside the US? This comes from Pete. We we've done a few. We've done a
01:01:22
Canadian case, one in England and one in Sweden. Mhm. If there's more I apologize if I can't
01:01:31
recall them. There are some fascinating cases in other countries that we would like to cover.
01:01:38
I got one that's from Japan right now that I've been looking at a lot to to try to put on the show.
01:01:44
There's some issues with that. It's not something that we try to stay away from. But I will throw this out
01:01:51
there. If you listen to other true crime podcasts that are based in other countries, 90% of the time they're
01:01:57
reporting on cases that took place in the United States. And I believe unfortunately that our
01:02:05
country has kind of been known become known for tragedy and and serial killers and stuff
01:02:11
like that as far as stories go in the news. Some countries do not like to provide much information on their
01:02:19
stories. They don't want this world perception that everybody in that country is bad. So they really
01:02:26
vanilla everything and that would make it tough on our end for research and presenting purposes. When is the Captain
01:02:33
going to reveal his real name, his address and phone number? I'm not. So you look if you direct
01:02:42
message me on a social media, I normally tell you I don't give I normally want you to guess a couple to
01:02:49
see how ridiculous it is. I think at one point Nick called me Mark on the show. And a lot of people went, oh his name
01:02:56
his real name is Mark. My real name is not Mark. His name is Marcus. >> [laughter]
01:03:02
>> The another question we get got a lot from our Facebook group. You know, we got a lot of emails.
01:03:09
So we kind of gathered those together, but we're also taking these questions from our Facebook group.
01:03:14
So if you're not following us on our Facebook, you should do so. And also a fan page that was started by a buddy or
01:03:21
he's been come he's becoming more of a buddy Cody and he sent us a bunch of questions from the listeners. So Did
01:03:29
Nick fix his squeaking chair? I have not fixed the squeaking chair. Right and it's driving me nuts. Three weeks.
01:03:36
Three weeks just fix the chair. You guys cover a lot of missing person cases. Is
01:03:41
there one that resonates with you more than others? Well, of course I think the answer will
01:03:47
be Brian Shaffer because he was roughly our age. He was in our community. Also the Joey LaBute case again roughly
01:03:57
the same age. We knew people that knew them. We hung out at places that they hung
01:04:03
out. So especially with me playing across the in the the courtyard from Ugly Tuna for years
01:04:12
and going in and out of the same parking garage that Brian Shaffer went in and out of
01:04:18
that case will always resonate with me. Mhm. A bunch. How do you guys decide which stories and cases to cover on the
01:04:25
podcast? I think we've covered this quite a bit throughout different episodes. Um
01:04:32
90 9% of the cases we cover are listener suggestions. We get a ton of them and I
01:04:40
and I thank everybody for them. Um and I want everybody to know that you know, I replied about 90% of those
01:04:47
suggestions. They all go on a list somewhere. By now we have a stack of list. Mhm. And
01:04:55
what I try to do as well is when we receive multiple suggestions regarding the same case, they get a little check
01:05:01
mark. And sometimes the number of check marks that a case has will have a direct
01:05:07
impact on how soon we cover the case. Jesse and and other people have asked What's the what do you like most about
01:05:15
doing this podcast and what do you like the least about it? I like the opportunity to discuss the cases.
01:05:23
You know, I True crime's always been a passion of mine. It's something I've always read
01:05:28
and followed. Um the but it's kind of a double-edged sword for me because as much as I like
01:05:35
it I used to be able to step away from it from time to time. You know, when there are other things going on in
01:05:41
my life or other interest take the front seat. You know, true crime could take a backseat. So my
01:05:48
favorite part is is actually researching and presenting the cases and working with the Captain, but my what what has
01:05:56
become my least favorite is that on some level I liked being able to walk away from it and take a break from it where I
01:06:05
don't feel because of our grueling schedule that's not an opportunity that I have anymore. This is an interesting
01:06:10
question from our Facebook group from Marie. I know you guys used to live together.
01:06:15
What were the worst habits you both figured out about each other? Do you want me to go first?
01:06:22
>> This is a really We lived together a really long time ago. This probably 15 years ago. Wow, that's crazy. It was
01:06:32
it was that long ago, wasn't it? >> Yeah. But we only lived we shared an apartment
01:06:37
for what about eight or nine months? It was I feel like it was under a year. Yeah, it wasn't that long. So I had a
01:06:43
roommate that moved out and He had a He had a girlfriend that moved. She ran for her life. She went all the way to
01:06:51
Nebraska to get away from him. Um And the the Captain was looking for an apartment and I said, hey come help me
01:06:59
with my bills because >> was looking for an apartment. Come help me with my bills because I can't afford
01:07:04
this apartment anymore by myself. Um He gave me a great deal by the way. The best part about living together was when
01:07:10
we would sit around and drink and play video games which we don't really play video games anymore, but I remember we
01:07:16
would have such I always had such a good time sitting around playing video games
01:07:19
with you cuz you just crack me up. Well, we watched a lot of true crime docs during that time, too. The the
01:07:26
habit that stands out for me the most about the Captain that drove me crazy. Okay. Okay, here we go. Cuz he's
01:07:32
probably got plenty of things to tell you about me that I'm hoping he leaves some of those out. Um
01:07:39
Okay, so if it's wintertime for some reason the Captain back then, I don't know if it holds true today.
01:07:45
But back then if it was winter and it was 10° outside, the Captain would wear shorts and a cut-off t-shirt and crank
01:07:53
the the heat up. Mhm. And if it were summertime, he would wear sweatpants and a hoodie and crank the air conditioner
01:08:00
up. I can never get a full gauge on why why that was the why that was the the choice of clothing.
01:08:07
>> Well, we worked different schedules, too. So that was a little different. Yeah. I you know, that time period of
01:08:13
living in that apartment uh reminded me more of you know, just kind of living alone.
01:08:21
Cuz it wasn't like you're there a lot. Right, I would be there at different times and you would be there at
01:08:25
different times. Nick would his big It wasn't a problem for me, but he would drink sometimes so much he
01:08:34
would walk in and he'd just be staring at his fish tank. >> [laughter] >> And I go, what the hell are you doing?
01:08:41
And they're they're fascinating. I'm watching my fish. And and by the way he'd have Led Zeppelin like cranked to
01:08:47
11 and the neighbor would be knocking. Yeah, we would get I I instructed the neighbors to not don't bother walking
01:08:54
all the way to the door. Just knock on the wall and I'll turn down the blaring music that I probably that I should
01:09:00
never had at that level anyway. And I'd always use a Mitch Hedberg line. I'd I'd
01:09:04
go up to the guy would be knocking and I'd go up to the wall and go, hey man, you're going to have to go around.
01:09:10
There's no door on my side. >> [laughter] >> But yeah, I mean but it was good. He's
01:09:18
he was a pretty good roommate. Emmanuel asks, have you ever gave a beer three bottle caps? If you look on my Untappd,
01:09:26
you will you will see some beers that I've rated as low as maybe a two or one and a half. Mhm. Unfortunately, for the
01:09:33
fans of sours out there, I know sours are kind of a popular trend right now. I do not like sour beers.
01:09:41
Rarely, I will get one or have one that somebody will suggest or hand me and and
01:09:46
I will enjoy it. Um but no, I don't I don't typically like sour beers. If I want something that has that
01:09:54
kind of flavor, I would rather just have a a glass of of wine. Um Well, and I think the other thing,
01:10:00
too, is like why would we have a crappy beer on the show that we didn't like? >> Yeah, that's kind of a rule. Like I I
01:10:06
won't put anything on the show that would be lower than like a three and a half because it's supposed to be a beer
01:10:12
recommendation. Um it's not just, you know, not just something to fill time. You know, we could pick a beer at random
01:10:19
and it be a a beer that sucks. But we're not going to do that. We're going to we're going
01:10:23
to go the extra mile and make sure that we're putting out a beer that we're like, here. This is something you should
01:10:27
experience. >> Uh Jason asked, when is the TV show coming? Tomorrow. Um it will be on tomorrow and
01:10:35
it will be it will be every Saturday immediately after the uh children cartoons on Saturday mornings.
01:10:41
>> Well, we've talked to NBC a little bit and we want to do a show called The Butler,
01:10:46
but that's not, you know, that's not it's not going to be about true crime. It's a show It's a show about nothing.
01:10:52
Well, it's a show about crime cuz the guy does crime he does a crime and then he's
01:10:58
sentenced to be the butler. These are These are all joking answers. We don't we don't hold any power over
01:11:04
um how that works out. Yeah, at the end of the day, we really enjoyed doing the podcast and we really enjoy
01:11:12
the listeners of the show. So, And and we've actually >> that? We've Now, we don't have anybody
01:11:18
beating down the door here, but we've had several people contact us, great people with great ideas, but we have
01:11:24
always thrown back at them and said, hey, remember, we got into this to be podcasters. We love doing our show. Um
01:11:32
if we were to take on another project, it cannot affect or downgrade this show in any way. Yeah, and the next big
01:11:40
project for us is, like we talked about a little bit earlier, is uh we're really
01:11:45
putting some time and effort into a audio doc cuz we just think that would be interesting to do and just a
01:11:51
something different for us um to kind of really understand how like something like Serial was done. Kathy asked,
01:11:57
boxers or briefs? Boxers. Okay. I Once in a while, maybe uh a boxer brief. >> [laughter]
01:12:05
>> Yeah. I'm a I'm a boxer brief man myself. No boxers for me. Uh we answered this on the other podcast, uh the other
01:12:14
question and answer podcast. Like I said, that's free on the store page uh at truecrimegarage.com, but do you
01:12:19
listen to other true crime podcast? And if so, what are your favorites? Um yes. So, just honing in on true crime
01:12:28
podcast, my favorites would be maybe not in any particular order, but ones that I regularly listen to. I do I
01:12:36
do miss episodes because we've spent so much time on this project. Um but I love
01:12:41
True Murder. That's no secret. Uh I like Ripper Cast a lot. Um that's a great [clears throat] show.
01:12:47
Sword and Scale's good. Generation Why is good. Um The Nighttime Podcast is is a favorite of mine, but they don't Not
01:12:54
all of those do they always cover straight-up true crime. Yeah, Jordan is great. If you haven't listened to the
01:13:00
Nighttime Podcast, he always comes up with uh interesting topics even if it's not true crime.
01:13:07
Um I'm not going to go into a bunch of details. Check that out. Tell them the Captain sent you. Eric asked, how many
01:13:13
moms does the Captain actually know? 37. In which ways do you think you have grown personally since you started the
01:13:21
podcast? Uh I've put on 7 lb. Yeah. Um Maybe they want real answers. Regarding just the podcast itself, um
01:13:32
I think I've gotten a little better about researching um throughout. Um We wanted to see at the start of the
01:13:39
year, can we do two shows? And the reason why was the more and more we got into it,
01:13:46
look, I understand some people just want the facts, just want the facts. That's not interesting to me.
01:13:51
Mhm. The interesting thing to me is the facts and then bringing your personality to the table. Mhm.
01:13:58
But your research has got so much better that I feel some some some some cases, for sure,
01:14:05
it's like you you need the two episodes just to get through the facts. Yeah, and
01:14:09
you know what's weird for me is there's been a couple cases that we've covered that were really covered well in the
01:14:16
media, whether it be news or actual documentaries or shows, um that I didn't follow when they were actually happening
01:14:24
um because I tend to like lesser-known cases. Um so, Casey Anthony, although everybody
01:14:30
around me was following it, I didn't follow it so much. So, it was very interesting to me to dive into it for a
01:14:35
week or so. And the Aurora theater shooter, um I didn't I didn't pay I was so I was so upset emotionally
01:14:43
about that when it happened that I just shied away from anything that was reported in the news at the time. So, it
01:14:48
was it was interesting to to dive into that for a few days. >> I need to go back when we talked about
01:14:54
the true crime podcast. Mhm. I just want to put this out there. I'm a murderino. I don't know
01:15:00
if I don't know if men are allowed to be a murderino, but I'm a murderino. Explain what that
01:15:05
means for people that don't know. Well, I I It's just what I think My Favorite Murder
01:15:11
um listeners call themselves. >> Okay. But I don't know if men can call them Somebody look that up. And also um the
01:15:18
Funny Girls, I've only listened to their show a couple times, but a Wine and Crime, Wine and True Crime. Uh they
01:15:23
always harass me about Dan. I don't know who the hell Dan is, but they harass me
01:15:28
about him all the time. Okay, a bunch of questions, [clears throat] but these are good questions. So,
01:15:33
Stephanie asked these and she said, will you ever do a case that borders um on whether it could be paranormal or
01:15:41
supernatural? I think a lot of people with Elisa Lam >> Lam case, people thought there was maybe
01:15:48
some paranormal activity. And that one was on our list for so long and we actually considered not covering it
01:15:55
because we, you know, so much of the talk of it was the paranormal stuff. Mhm. Um and
01:16:01
once you get to looking at that thing, man, you have to talk about it. You have to cover it. So, yes, we will.
01:16:06
Um there'll be other cases out there. There's We're getting a lot of people that want to hear uh cases that that
01:16:12
involve like some kind of cult presence. Um so, you know, you would have to factor that in there. Uh a question that
01:16:19
we that I actually get a lot, but you probably have more interesting answers than me.
01:16:24
Uh what are your favorite bands? >> [laughter] >> I would have more interesting answers
01:16:29
than you. The You know, when you ask what's your what's your favorite unsolved case,
01:16:35
what's your favorite band, what's your favorite cheeseburger, you know, those questions those answers would I think
01:16:41
with all of us would vary by the day, by our mood, where we're where we're currently located. If you were going to
01:16:47
throw me on an island and say you can only throw a few few albums in your box, um who would it be? I I have a hard time
01:16:56
living without Guns N' Roses. I love Guns N' Roses. I love The Stones. >> Mhm. Um I love a much lesser-known band
01:17:02
than a band called Watershed that's local to Ohio. Um they're kind of a uh mid to late '90s Midwestern rock kind
01:17:11
of feel. I own, you know, nobody out there will know who they are, but I own like five of their albums.
01:17:18
Yeah, Guns N' Roses, Stones. I tend towards more of the older stuff, Zeppelin, Pink Floyd. Um And a big
01:17:25
shout-out to all the Chris Cornell fans and the Soundgarden Temple of the Dog fans. I that really hurt hurt me. Uh
01:17:32
um He I thought for many years he was one of the best rock and roll singers, heavy rock singers out there. Uh maybe
01:17:40
>> also a guy I think um you know, when you're in like middle school and high school, you kind of have
01:17:45
these celebrities that kind of help dictate your style. Mhm. And I think uh Chris Cornell was definitely
01:17:53
one of those guys for you. I listened to that Superunknown album probably a thousand times. Um I listened to it the
01:18:01
other day when I when I got the news. And man, it we we we really lost somebody special last week and and it
01:18:08
makes me sad. Um Kickstand off of that album's one of my favorite Soundgarden songs. Yeah, I I said your your answers
01:18:16
would be more interesting because uh what I've learned through my um diving into music,
01:18:24
when you start studying it, then you start becoming fascinated by a lot of different spectrums. Mhm. And so,
01:18:33
the stuff that I listen to, that I like, some of that stuff is purely uh for the studying of
01:18:41
the music itself, the complexity of it. >> Mhm. So, where some of the stuff would be
01:18:46
like, you like that? Why the hell do you like that? Three spectrums for me. People like
01:18:52
Snarky Puppy, people like uh Jaco Pastorius, people like The Bad Plus. Those would be
01:18:59
on, you know, the intellectual studying of music side. Uh then there's people like, you know, John Mayer and Bob Dylan
01:19:07
and Amos Lee and the singer-songwriter side where it's going to be more lyrical. And
01:19:13
then I have just a you know, obsession with the sweet tooth um of just pure pop ballads.
01:19:23
I just love them. You know, Michael Bolton, uh Celine Dion, Whitney Houston. Yeah, I just love I think you're kind of
01:19:30
getting into another question that that we have on there that is, you know, what
01:19:36
on your on your playlist would surprise uh people? You know, what on your music playlist would surprise people? Celine
01:19:43
Dion, I think people would be really surprised how much I I listen to Celine Dion. For me, you know, if I'm out
01:19:49
partying with friends and and it becomes my turn for my phone to be the one presenting the music,
01:19:54
um I always get a little always get a little look when um cuz I I have a lot of Lady Gaga on my on
01:20:01
my devices. I love like I love Lady Gaga. I'm not going to lie. That's That surprises everybody. I like her and I
01:20:07
like um uh Sia quite a bit as well. Oh, yeah, I like Sia a lot, too. Uh we just lost a bunch of listeners cuz
01:20:13
they went The Captain listens to Selena Dijon. What do you like most about the listeners and what do you like least
01:20:20
about the listeners? I like everything about all of our listeners. And you don't like There's nothing you
01:20:26
don't like. There's nothing Uh once in a while we um I love the feedback whether
01:20:31
it's good, negative, or in between. Um I don't care when someone's rude or calls
01:20:36
me a name. I know we kind of call people names on the show, so maybe it's not fair for me to think that way.
01:20:42
Um but I Here's what I firmly believe. We've created a community uh and we couldn't have done it without the
01:20:48
listeners. They've been fantastic. Uh they're the biggest part of the community. Uh we hope that one day we
01:20:54
all retire together and move to beautiful parts unknown. We're currently installing a wave pool that it's going
01:21:00
to be amazing. Um It's only 3 ft tall right now, so we're working on that. Once we get the
01:21:05
funds, we're going to extend it. Send more beer fun money. Uh so I like everything about the listeners. I I
01:21:11
can't think of anything that I don't like because I think that people that don't like the show or don't like us or
01:21:18
our presentation, I think they eventually move on. So they're not part of the the community. Right. And to
01:21:23
stick with this, this is really interesting question. All right. So the question is, do you think that there's a
01:21:28
responsibility of a podcast host that are male that deal with a larger audience that is female, you know,
01:21:36
respecting their fans, respecting their listeners? I I think the word fan is kind of goofy.
01:21:43
You're a listener. You're a friend. That's what you are. You know, it's it's pretty simple.
01:21:48
Um but respecting their listeners by not asking for nudes and being sensitive to
01:21:55
cases of rape and domestic violence. Well, here's my thoughts. Okay, I I love the question. Who Do we Do we have a
01:22:03
name? Stephanie, I think. Yep. Stephanie, great question. But I I'll answer by saying this. I think I think anybody
01:22:10
putting out something for the general public to to chomp on, regardless of male or female or transgender or
01:22:18
whatever the situation, I think we all have a responsibility to to be sympathetic to victims and be
01:22:25
open-minded about who we are speaking to and and how we are presenting information. But as far as like the nude
01:22:34
stuff, I know that Nick I've heard some rumors about other podcasts. I don't request them. I just
01:22:39
send them. Right. Nick likes to send No, that's a joke. The But you know what's so funny is that's a good question from
01:22:45
Stephanie because what are What do we keep hearing in the news right now that that a lot of these older men that are
01:22:51
of some form of power on TV and different shows that we're starting to find out about things that they're being
01:22:58
accused of, which may or may not be true. Um here's the deal, man. People in every walk of life,
01:23:05
some of them cross the line from time to time. Um >> [clears throat] >> Do Do I feel responsibility regarding
01:23:13
that? Personally, no, because I don't think that's a line that the Captain or I would ever ever cross. Well, it's
01:23:19
Let's put it this way. Um >> [laughter] >> I I have received a bunch of I think inappropriate pictures.
01:23:29
Now, I'm I'm not I don't even know if inappropriate is the right word, but you know, when somebody sends you a Snapchat
01:23:34
and there's four pictures of food, right? This is what I had for breakfast. This is what I had for lunch. And then
01:23:41
all of a sudden it's them in the shower. Here's Here's a picture of me wearing nothing but bacon.
01:23:47
>> [laughter] >> Right. My reply was just it's a little odd. Why? Because I don't know you.
01:23:55
And I think I see you paid your water bill this month. Right. But I I think um I think that stuff is should be saved
01:24:05
for people that you have intimate relationships with where you're trying to learn about that person. That stuff
01:24:11
is not for some guy that you listen to once a week talk about murders. You know, that's You
01:24:18
know, that's just where I stand on it. Do you guys hang out outside of doing the
01:24:23
podcast? Um on occasion. Not as much as we used to because we do spend so much time uh
01:24:30
together with this project. Um we I think part of it is we need our space away from one another as a way of having
01:24:38
space away from the show and from true crime in general. Um and you know, it's exciting to to
01:24:46
hang out with the Captain um on most levels. The problem is we're both so eyeballs deep in this project that a lot
01:24:54
of times now when we do hang out, it's it feels a lot like work because we talk a lot of shop. Yeah, and we annoy each
01:25:01
other like so much more than we used to. So there's a lot of times where it's just like
01:25:07
you know, I sent him a text yesterday and then he's sending me shitty text back, you know, 2 minutes later and it's
01:25:13
like you have to remind him I didn't mean it shitty. Just But you know, we can It's just anytime like when you go
01:25:20
on vacation with your best friend and by the end of it you're like, God, I'm sick
01:25:23
of this dude. This guy ain't my best friend anymore. Right. Summer, Jerry. All right, next question.
01:25:28
Uh this one is for the Captain. Captain, you obviously produce the show and record the show. Have you produced for
01:25:35
any bands or recorded any bands? Well, and this kind of goes with another question cuz somebody asked, what's our
01:25:43
regular jobs? Do you want to start with your regular job? Uh I'm I'm involved in
01:25:47
property management um and I have been for many, many years. Um it's something I enjoy doing.
01:25:54
Um so that's kind of my regular job. He somewhat enjoys doing. Yeah. Okay, depends on the day. Yeah, well,
01:26:00
with any job. With any job. Right. And my mine is pretty similar. I used to play a bunch of cover band gigs.
01:26:06
I I have stopped doing that because of this show. This show has afforded me to be able to not play in
01:26:11
the cover bands anymore, which has been great. But cheers to the guys that I used to play with. Great guys.
01:26:17
Um but now all this stuff is just studio stuff. So if you haven't checked out, I
01:26:21
have a singer-songwriter that singer-songwriter record that I just did called St. Patrick and
01:26:28
um the album is called Tin Man. You can find that on iTunes. Uh you can We've received a lot of good
01:26:33
feedback on a handful of those songs. You know, people [clears throat] were always surprised when they're like, wow,
01:26:38
this is very uh sad and sappy. Well, that's what you get. >> [laughter] >> That's what you get. I didn't find it
01:26:44
all that sad and sappy, but um you know, one thing I do miss, Captain, is that I
01:26:49
I used to go and see his bands. Um and I say bands plural because you know, he'd do different projects
01:26:57
throughout the years, but sometimes he'd be playing in multiple bands at once. Um
01:27:00
so I always enjoyed going He would play sometimes two, three times a week. Now, I would try to go once a once a month
01:27:08
was usually what I like to do. Once a month or so, it was always a good time. So I do I do miss that, Captain. Well,
01:27:14
he always ran up my my bar tab. As much as I could. But no, so what I do for a living now is um you know, if if if more
01:27:22
people would buy that record, I could just do that for a living. But I I work for a producer in Australia and we do
01:27:30
songs for films or commercials and I do editing work that way. So audio engineering is basically the
01:27:38
>> [clears throat] >> the simple answer. So when you people go, your show sounds pretty good. I'm
01:27:41
like, well, it should because that's what I do. Bradley ask, how is Nick able to keep the
01:27:48
conversation going when the Captain always makes his hilarious comments? I don't find him all that funny. Um
01:27:56
>> [laughter] >> Ooh, jab. Um no, no, I actually I find the Captain very funny, but um
01:28:03
you know, I'm the true crime dork. Me, I'm I'm I'm already like merged into the the story and and how we want to deliver
01:28:12
it. Um so I you know, I just try to keep on pace. It's all about keeping on pace. A
01:28:17
couple more. Thoughts on the upcoming Browns season. Will they break 500? This is from Brian. Oh, Brian, I love you. I
01:28:25
love the snowball question. Um here here we go, Brian. Bad news, we will not be 500 or better
01:28:32
than 500, but good news. I got good news. We're moving in the right direction. I really believe that picking
01:28:38
up McCourty will shore up the defensive backfield quite a bit, which is going to
01:28:43
be important because our defensive front is going to be incredibly disruptive to
01:28:48
any offense that we play this year. I looked at the schedule. I'm thinking seven games is kind of the over and
01:28:54
under. We For those of you that don't don't know football real well, you play in a division with three other
01:29:00
teams. Four teams in a division and you'll play each of those three teams twice, once home and once away. I think
01:29:06
we'll split the division. I think we'll win three games in the division and there's there's four games in the
01:29:11
regular season that look to be winnable games, so I think seven. But Brian, I got good news to you, buddy. Cheers,
01:29:16
long distance cheers to you because I think 2018 we will crack the 500 mark. A question
01:29:22
that's asked often is why is the Captain always mean to Nick? I'll let you take that one. I don't know why you're mean
01:29:29
to me. Uh I get really frustrated and Nick will attest to this. I'm setting up the show and putting all
01:29:37
the pieces in place. And you know, if he messes up on a word, then I have to go back and then I'm
01:29:43
editing. Um I just get frustrated. I'm really bad at um He'll get mad about people mowing their
01:29:52
grass or we had a a nest of birds in the garage, not in the garage, in the gutter
01:29:58
of the garage. And um >> [laughter] >> And I can hear it and it drives me insane.
01:30:02
>> it and I think he thought I was doing something that was was messing with his audio.
01:30:07
Well, another thing too is what's that what's that thing where you hate listening to somebody eat? Uh
01:30:15
that's something I don't know anything about. You've You've told me about it. I There's some people I don't like to
01:30:19
watch eat. Right. But well, it's like I can hear every nuance of Nick's breathing and
01:30:25
stuff. So, sometimes that does drives me insane. Um but sometimes I try to turn that off. The
01:30:34
best shows are when I can just hit record and kind of turn everything off and turn off the producer side and turn
01:30:41
off the the audio dork side and just be a a part of the conversation. Uh interesting question is why do you tell
01:30:50
people to be kind and don't litter? Is that like an inside joke? Question mark. No.
01:30:56
Um I think everybody should be kind to one another and I don't think anybody should throw their trash on the on the
01:31:02
ground. Um I'm not like some big environmentalist if if that's what anybody's wondering, but
01:31:09
you know, a few years ago I did have a problem um because one thing that drives me nuts is when I see somebody roll down
01:31:16
their window and throw a a pop can out or a or a bag of of fast food. Here's a newsflash for everybody. Everywhere you
01:31:26
Every destination you end up will have a trash can at the other end. If you're going to a public place, if you're going
01:31:32
to a restaurant, if you're going to a gas station, you're going to your own home, there will be a trash can there.
01:31:37
If you're so lazy that you can't throw away your own trash and furthermore so selfish that you think that everybody
01:31:44
else should just walk amongst your trash because you're a lazy lowlife. Um then No, I just It bothers me and like I
01:31:53
said, a few years ago, I had to stop myself a couple times because I started I started following cars. If I saw
01:32:00
somebody throw something out, I'd follow them for a little bit like I was going to do something at the end of that ride.
01:32:06
Um No, I just think we we live We're fortunate enough to live in a beautiful planet
01:32:12
and in a beautiful surrounding. There's if you have any future at all, you would
01:32:17
want to keep it beautiful for yourself and the rest of us. Bonnie asked, have I ever tried cheese on an apple pie yet?
01:32:23
Have I done that? No, I'm not I'm not a psychopath. I've tried it once, not since the show.
01:32:29
>> You're a psychopath. I tried it once. Not going to do it. Well, maybe I'll do
01:32:33
it one day. We'll do a meet up. Somebody bring some apple pie with some cheese on
01:32:37
it and I'll I'll I'll eat it. >> Here's why I tried it. There's a part in Pulp Fiction
01:32:43
where I believe it's Bruce Willis's girlfriend. And she's been waiting for him all day
01:32:48
long at the hotel. Uh-huh. And all she wants to do is go to the diner and get a nice meal and get a piece of pie with
01:32:54
cheese on top. And so I thought, wow, I've never heard of that before. This is crazy talk.
01:32:59
>> This right psychopath. >> I I was I was hanging out with my grandmother recently after that after
01:33:05
seeing that movie and thinking about the cheese on the pie. Mhm. And cuz I was wondering if it was like an old school
01:33:10
thing that I just didn't know about. She said she had many times in her life had
01:33:13
had cheese on her pie. >> psychopath. [clears throat] And um Thanks for talking poorly about my
01:33:20
grandmother. It's fine. That's rude. Um but yeah, so I tried it. Uh didn't love it. All right, [laughter]
01:33:28
we'll do let's do two more questions and get out of here cuz I got to do some work.
01:33:33
Uh John asked, have you ever and we get asked this all the time, when are you going to start a Patreon site?
01:33:40
I don't think we're going to. >> We're not going to. Um we know that other shows do it. They do
01:33:45
a release if if you release early. Here's the fact of the matter. And then the people that say, don't do ads. Go
01:33:52
back to not doing ads. The ads is what affords the show. We couldn't do two shows a week without
01:33:59
ads. Right, cuz we have to spend a lot of time and energy on it as a way to supplement it. It's also a way
01:34:07
that you don't have to supplement it. We're not asking for your dollar. We're getting dollars from the ads and then
01:34:14
that way we can put out free shows and we'd rather put out eight free shows a month or whatever it come you know, two
01:34:20
two free shows a week than to charge you more show you know, for more shows. Now
01:34:27
we do have some bonus episodes that we're doing and some of those are going to be just
01:34:32
you know one parters Mhm. and things like that. Um Well, and we've been lucky though too
01:34:39
because with with our show, we had this dumb idea about beer money. You know, buy us a round for next week's show and
01:34:46
everybody has been overly generous with that. You know, we we do get a good response from that and
01:34:52
>> we're currently way behind. So >> can only do so many shout outs a show and I apologize that we haven't got to
01:34:58
you yet, but we do do them on a first come first serve basis and so we will get to everybody
01:35:04
eventually. Um we understand why other shows do the Patreon. I think it's a great thing and it works for their
01:35:11
platform and their show. Um our show like I said, we got the beer fund built in there, so it's not it's
01:35:17
not really necessary. >> Right. Like we said, we're way behind on it. So, sometimes people message us and
01:35:24
go, hey, I donated last week and I haven't heard my name yet. You're not going to hear your name for a couple
01:35:29
weeks. We're behind. So And we apologize. And we apologize. >> But it's out of our control. But we're
01:35:34
also not going to spend you know, 10 minutes of the show thanking people. No, but we could do like once every 3 months
01:35:42
we could do a drunken Nick uh shout out show where it's just me butchering everybody's
01:35:49
names and locations and Right. you know. Nobody wants to listen to that. Okay, so
01:35:54
the last question we'll do for this Q&A session is has any >> Britney in Phoenix wants to hear that
01:36:01
episode. No, no, she doesn't. >> [laughter] >> Have you been recognized in person?
01:36:07
Since birth? Have you been recognized from the show? No, I don't think I that I have. I've I've had people um Look at
01:36:15
you funny. >> [laughter] >> Um I Nick told me this story one time where he's like he's I had a True Crime
01:36:21
Garage shirt on and and these people were kind of looking at me funny. Yeah, yeah, I did I did have that
01:36:27
happen. Um but I've had other people you know, tell me later that somebody came up to them and said, hey, was that um
01:36:36
was that the Captain or was that Nick from from True Crime Garage? So, no, I've not experienced it first hand. Uh I
01:36:43
had a listener message me. I was at a local pub that I like to go to Hop Yard 62, I
01:36:50
think it's called. I just call it Hop Yard. >> You just called it something, but it's
01:36:54
Hop Yard. Yeah, and I I like to get their flights. Um the only annoying thing about those
01:36:59
guys is you just say, just give me a flight. Well, what what you want? Just whatever. I'm Well, what do you like?
01:37:06
Just pick. Just That's why I'm here. It's for you to pick. In their defense, they're not
01:37:11
used to that that I know. I know. type of ordering. So, we're outside and we're you know, drinking my flight and I guess
01:37:19
somebody heard my voice and was like, oh my god, that has to be the Captain. Uh and then they never came up and said
01:37:26
hello. They messaged you later that they had seen you somewhere? Yeah, well, the I
01:37:30
think the girl's husband said, hey, me and my wife were here and we thought it was you. We couldn't tell. We tried to
01:37:38
listen. I said, just you should have came and said hi. I would have bought I would have bought beers for everybody.
01:37:43
Uh I had a lot of flights that night. I got a little out of control. That's what
01:37:48
I like to call around the world. Right. Well, that's what I like to call emptying out my savings account. Um
01:37:56
No, but just you know, just be nice and respectful and just know I mean, I'll kick the [ __ ] out of a
01:38:02
clown's junk. Don't think I won't kick you if you get out of line. That's all I'm saying. But
01:38:07
if you recognize us, which you probably won't unless you're in Columbus, um come say hi. Have a beer.
01:38:15
All right, that's enough of the questions. That's enough of the business. Uh that's enough of the questions.
01:38:21
Thanks for Thanks Aurelia at our Facebook page for the help. Thanks for Cody on the the fan page. If you haven't
01:38:29
checked that out on Facebook, it's it's it's actually really cool. It's not so much like, oh, let's
01:38:35
let's talk about how awesome Nick and the Captain are. It's more let It's a kind of a group discussion
01:38:41
about the cases. Mhm. So, if you listen to the episode and you have some thoughts and opinions, that's kind of
01:38:46
what they do there. And it's pretty cool and it's run by a good guy named Cody. Uh
01:38:51
as always, follow us on social media at True Crime Garage Snapchat, Facebook, Twitter, Untapped, all that stuff at
01:38:58
True Crime Garage. And thank you to everybody for joining us in the garage this week and thank you especially to
01:39:04
those of you that submitted questions for the Q&A show. Mhm. We can't wait to see you back here in the garage next
01:39:10
week. Until then, you better be good, you better be kind, and please don't litter.
01:39:28
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