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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] well obviously Captain we cannot tell
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the story of each and every individual victim in this case because as we will learn there will just be too many of
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them now a list of all of the names of the known victims of Dean Coral is available on his Wikipedia page
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but here are some of the stories of known victims the first victim may have been Jeffrey Allen Conan age 18 a
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student from Houston Jeffrey hitchhiked from Austin to Houston with a friend who last saw him
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getting out of a car at Voss Road around 6 PM this is on September 1st 1970. his body was later found at High Island
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according to record neither Brooks nor Henley participated in this murder and then there's this report from Wayne
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Henley that states one day he and coral were out in the van parked in front of a
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grocery store when a boy came along on his bike and coral called the kid over and told
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him he found some empty Coke bottles while cleaning out his van he would give them to the kid just to
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get rid of them and the boy could take them into the grocery store and get the deposit and keep it do you want to
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explain to the listeners what this means because there's some listeners that are
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out there scratching their heads right now going why would this boy want empty soda
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bottles from this strange man well because when you turn them back in you there's a deposit amount so you get I
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think a nickel for each bottle that you'd return yeah and it might have been more back then or
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or at least the nickel was at least worth more back then and the idea being that the the soda companies had to reuse
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these bottles so it was an enticing way to get the people to return the bottles to be
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reused and probably get you to buy some some more soda because you go to the grocery store
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and then they're handing you money right so after the Boy comes out of the store
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Coral calls him back over and he says hey look not only did I give you those bottles for free and you just
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got money for him but come to think of it I found a lot of bottles in my garage when I was cleaning it out and hey you
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could put your bike in the back of the van and you could ride home with me and get these empty bottles and sell them
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and keep the money well that kid got into the van with coral and Henley and coral took him home
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the boy's name was James dremela he's age 14. later that evening James called his father Douglas dremela yeah he calls
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his father because he's going to ask him hey is it okay if I spend the night at this party that's happening across on
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the other side of town his father says no and he wanted the boy to be home in 20 minutes well he never saw James alive
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again David Brooks later said that he bought James a pizza and hung out with him for about 45 minutes before quote
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Dean went to work on him Dean Coral tortured raped and strangled the boy well we should also talk about Frank
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Aguirre he's a he was a local teen Frank finished his shift at the Long John Silver's restaurant and told his mother
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that he would be home by 10 pm that night now he never showed and he was never seen again and this is because
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Brooks and Henley who were acquainted with Frank called him over to their van asking if he wanted to go smoke a joint
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with them at their friend Dean Coral's place so he followed them there in his vehicle
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and once in the apartment was bound gagged raped and murdered well just think about how sick and twisted the
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minds of Brooks and Henley are right right because they've seen what Dean can do
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and to invite your friend over that you know to be like hey come smoke some pot with
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us you are you're the bait one thing that I wondered about too regarding this story
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specifically because so many of these stories people end up getting into the van or somehow arriving over Dean's
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Coral's apartment to go to a quote-unquote party but this story specifically mentions
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that this boy Frank Aguirre drove his vehicle to the apartment now we can assume or
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you know at least at least think that maybe Frank Aguirre is one of the bodies that would be found
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in that boat shed right my question is this vehicle we've discussed this on this show many times
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that a lot of times a vehicle can be more of a nuisance for a killer to dispose of than a body right and I
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couldn't find any reports of stating hey this kid's still missing but we found his car here or found it there no
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mention of this vehicle now obviously what we do know so far in this story Captain is this some of the motivations
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for the murders of these teenage boys conducted by Dean coral and now what we believe one or two accomplices
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especially for Dean these motivations would be sadism torture mutilation amongst other things and we should
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discuss some of this but I do want to be clear here we really wanted to minimize
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this portion of the discussion of the the physical torture that Dean Coral actually inflicted on his victims
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not only because the details are stomach turning but because the families of these poor boys have suffered enough
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hearing the fates of their loved ones and in fact most of the families could not manage to sit through the court
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proceedings that would come later because they were just too horrific right and this information is widely
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known on the internet if you really want to dive into it yes and in order to convey just how monstrous and evil Dean
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Coral was we do unfortunately need to get to some of the facts what would happen is coral would get the boys into
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his apartment and somehow incapacitate them we mentioned some different things here it seems to me Captain that he had
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two different Mo's and I think what we have here is before he had his little accomplices Dean you know David Brooks
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and Wayne Henley right who would later help him I think his original Mo was you know what I'm gonna get some teenage
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boys back here I'm gonna let him party maybe it's one boy maybe it's two I'm gonna get him drunk let him smoke some
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stuff let him Huff some stuff and the way that it was described later by Wayne and David Brooks is that during these
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Party Times Dean would kind of sit back and let the teenagers really go at it let them
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really party down while he was just kind of waiting and these are also let's just
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assume that these teenagers are not they're probably not drinking often they're probably not smoking this much
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pot that often probably definitely not huffing this paint so we're talking about really getting these guys in
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coherent yeah and I think for at least before he had Wayne and David Brooks helping him I think the whole Mo was to
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let these kids kind of party and wait till they pass out and once they pass out well I can tie them up put handcuffs
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on them strap them to the torture board whatever right you know I'm he's in control at that point and then I think
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the ammo changed a little bit once he had the accomplices and I think that was for a couple of reasons like you talked
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about earlier Brooks talked about how Dean moved around a lot and so you'd think that Dean would want to be out
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like in the middle of nowhere so just in case they did wake up and scream or whatever because there's actually no
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reports of people hearing things that I could find right actually the the things that I
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found according to Brooks and Henley were that often Dean Coral would tape duct tape the mouths closed of the
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victims right and he would leave the duct tape on I guess on a couple of occasions he took it off because he was
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sick enough he wanted to hear the screams but he would when he would do that he would turn up his stereo system
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all the way so that you know Neighbors on the outside all they ever heard was was the staring loud music yeah I think
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what's what's shocking and I think what's changing too when we talk about his Mo I think once he had the help of
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these two teenage boys I think Dean was kind of spiraling out of control in the sense that he was he
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would get a little sloppy because now he has these kids bringing so many kids over to his apartment right where I
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think I think before it was more difficult for this grown man to talk a teenager or two or three to come back to
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his apartment now once you have somebody that they know you know somebody that they've talked to they're
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the ones doing the inviting not this not this 20 something 30-something man right
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and so I think it was easier for a lot of potential victims to enter his home his residence and I think that made him
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lose a bit of control in a sense that I think he wanted to kill a lot more than he actually did again this is years
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before technology of cell phones and and things like that so once you have them in your house there's no way that they
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could connect with the outside world and I think the Handcuff trick um was something that they started doing
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because he could get the boys his accomplices to talk the other boys into doing this handcuff thing with them
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right and I think it was a way of Dean look this is his drug unfortunately sexually assaulting torturing and
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killing these teenage boys is what he is addicted to that's why he ended up doing
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it so many times right and I think what we see here is in the old days he had to sit back and
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wait and let the kids party until they would pass out and I think once he had the help of these two teenagers he no
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longer could wait he couldn't just sit back and wait he couldn't stand away an hour or two or three for the kids to
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pass out instead he had to incorporate this handcuff game so we could get to this
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this Terror as soon as possible Right but it all escalates anyways because you're you're paying these teenager boys
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to perform sexual acts on you and that's not enough okay so now we have to escalate it to uh tying them up
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now we have to escalate that to well we don't want them to be as drugged yeah I mean like that's the escalation
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and I think especially with the Handcuff trick it was once once they realized I think he kind of got off on the idea
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of once the the victim realized I I'm stuck this was a bad mistake this was a trick to get me into this position right
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I think he got off on on seeing that fear right well regardless of how he incapacitated the victim once they were
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incapacitated it was all over for the victim Coral would then strip and strip and strap them to that torture
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board where he would then rape and torture the victim he would on occasion keep these boys alive for extended
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periods some of the tortures included castration large object penetration chewing on the genitals or using a dull
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knife on them electric shock with exposed wire inserting tiny glass rods into the penis and then breaking them
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with his fist or a hammer the boys died from either gunshot or strangulation another torture device that was used
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were the wooden boxes that were found remember they had air holes in them it was reported that these boxes were used
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to imprison the kids and torture them when asked why Coral killed the boys Henley told police it was because Coral
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wanted to have sex with them but then they resisted of course you and I know that that's probably there's probably
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much much more more to that story right and of course the boys were often forced
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to write letters or to call home telling their parents that they had left or that
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they were in another city now I said that we were going to not go through all this stuff in detail
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and minimize the torture in the discussion of it I want to be clear as gruesome as all that stuff sounded we
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did minimize what is actually reported right now we should talk about the bodies because
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there were more bodies and Henley and Brooks were asked to make lists uh when they were being questioned by police of
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every boy that they could recall that ended up being a victim Henley at this point volunteered some more crucial
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information and he stated that more than just the boat shed there were other burial sites apparently Dean
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Coral's father owned or rented a cabin up at Lake Sam Rayburn and some of the bodies were buried nearby
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Henley accompanied investigators to the lake Sam Rayburn area after getting his bearings he showed them a spa and a
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heavily wooded area near a dirt road and to another area about half a mile away down the dirt road each of these sites
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contained bodies one of which he recalled was Billy Lawrence the next day Henley LED them to the same wooded area
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and showed them another grave site which he said contained two bodies all four of
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these bodies showed signs of extreme violence investigators searched the cabin that
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Henley and Brooks said Coral used on occasion there they found several items of Interest including another torture
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board shovels a sheath of plastic wrap rubber gloves and a sack of lime more intriguingly was a hand-drawn map
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which according to the local sheriff appeared to be of quote possible new grave sites end quote pinpointing
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several areas in this San Juan Quinto National Forest in Southwest Texas what's interesting here though Captain
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is there is no indication in the sources available that any kind of Investigation
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was done pursuant to the map that was found uh meaning they didn't go look for anything that
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was on that map even though we have the local sheriff publicly stating that they
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are quote possible new grave sites then there was finally uh one last burial area Henley directed
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investigators to an area on High Island near Galveston and told them that six bodies that he knew of were scattered up
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and down the beach now this took a massive effort but eventually a total of six bodies were in fact found curiously
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accompanying the two bodies were an extra arm bone and an extra pelvis bone indicating the likelihood of at least
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one other unknown victim right all in all police recovered 27 bodies of young males from three burial sites the top
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forensic Pathologists in Harris County emphasized that identifying all of the victims would be very difficult they had
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no definitive list of names to work with here Captain so the big question here with 27 bodies of young males buried in
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three different sites is how did he get away with it how did Dean Coral operate right underneath authorities noses
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plucking boys right out from their own neighborhoods often in broad daylight how did this go unnoticed for years well
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on top of that it's like there are missing kids right that it seems like they're not following any of those leads
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but then you also have this individual that nobody even suspected really no and they thought he was a nice guy they
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thought he was an upstanding citizen he was a he was a guy that was always employed always seem to have money the
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only thing that would seem weird on the outside is that you know a lot of neighbors that he had over the years
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said the man did hang out with a lot of young quote hippie types referring to the teenage boys that he
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was hanging out with one thing that I found very strange amongst all the other strange things is
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all in all 20 of the victims were associated with the heights with that neighborhood right uh being either from
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there or from an adjacent neighborhood now the heights itself is only about two miles by three miles so a tiny area
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right and so and get this eight boys were killed between June 1st and August 4th of 1973 alone and five of them were
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from the heights what I'm getting at is that nobody seemed to observe a pattern of teenage boys disappearing from this
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very specific area at an alarming rate right you would think at some point there would be curfews and don't go
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anywhere without your buddies and the fact that Brooks is involved in Henley is involved
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these are High school-aged kids yeah so you again that's now June so we could assume they're out of school at that
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point but well they were both dropouts so they didn't really care about school too much well but what I mean by that is
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they're still at the age where you think there would be rumors started oh yeah about one of the one of the two guys I
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think ultimately he was able to get away with so much because not only was Coral
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outgoing friendly funny considered neat and even witty right it's it really helped that Coral was in the company of
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Henley and Brooks I think that the the kids the boys in the Heights uh area they knew both Henley and Brooks and
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they felt comfortable hanging out with this man that was a long time friend of these two teenage boys now
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the other thing though too is and this is reflective of the time okay and I don't want to get into this long
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argument or debate about homosexuality versus pedophilia there are two Nick understands they're two completely
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different separate things okay homosexuals good pedophiles bad Nick gets that so when I when I State these
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things like also talks in third person well I don't want anybody to think that I'm that I'm down you know that I'm
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being rude to any Community other than the pedophiles right right because I I'm no at no time in my life did I ever
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believe that the two were connected right you know there are heterosexual pedophiles and homosexual pedophiles and
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by most accounts Dean Coral was both homosexual and a pedophile okay so what I'm getting at
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here though is in the early 70s and in Texas that would have raised red flags on its own just him being homosexual
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right another thing that I think helped him get away with so much stuff was it wasn't known that he was homosexual
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right not to the adults Betty Watkins was his girlfriend by from what most people thought right that
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helped him as well and you made that noise earlier when I described her two sons who knows what evil plans he
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actually had in mind for her sons who knows maybe he sought her out or sought somebody out that had boys that would
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eventually mature into an age that he was attracted to which happens often yeah but but also it
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in a way since she is Technically she's just a cover-up they're not intimate so one could argue that's not even a real
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relationship so she's a cover-up but the fact that she has boys of a little bit older of age that's a cover-up too you
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know it's like oh well yeah he's he hasn't done anything to them right so therefore
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you know uh he doesn't do anything bad to anybody and the thing here though is while the adults in the neighborhood and
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the adults the parents of a lot of the teenagers that Dean Coral hung out with didn't know that Dean was homosexual
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the kids did the teenagers that hung out with him it was later reported that it was quote an Open Secret amongst the
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area use that Coral would pay for oral sex and in fact many of the kids engaged in what they called gay for pay with
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Dean Coral and what I'm getting at is when we're talking about how did some man sow evil get away with such horrible
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stuff for so long that's when you you sit there and you read these stories and you piece them together and you're going
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man if somebody somewhere there was a people that had thousands of red flags right
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there were so many red flags if somebody just would have said something to the right person at the right time maybe
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some of this could have been avoided maybe they did though I mean this is also I mean we live in an age right now
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where every buddy's kid is freaking special and they have to have a name that was made up you know
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moonflower you know nobody has common names this is back in the 70s where there was a million Steve's in a million
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you know Knicks and and and parents just didn't listen to their kids as much so there could have been these rumors
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happening there could have been conversations that they had with their parents that they just brushed aside and
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any one of these rumors or allegations could have stopped a lot of this well and one thing that I would point to that
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was so disturbing and so just mind-boggling is that we had Dorothy hillergeist the the
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mother she tells police that hey I heard a rumor that that my son may have got into
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a GTX vehicle and there's a GTX vehicle driving around my neighborhood and here's a license plate and that was
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never never looked up nobody bothered to look that up to see this or they did look or they did and saw the name and
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didn't care right they go oh he's he's upstanding citizen and he his family owns a candy factory well obviously
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Captain the public outcry about the Houston mass murders brought to light many of the missing boys parents
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frustrations with the fact that police mostly ignored their pleas for help now granted in that time period there were
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no computers at the police department that would have alerted officers to the number of missing boys there were no
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Amber Alerts being broadcast that would have set off alarms with the public no Internet connecting missing kids parents
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with other parents in the same boat but also when you have a missing 15 year old
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or 16 year old or 17 year old this is a different time this is a time that people got done with high school and
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they either went to college or they started a life they got a career they were married by 1819. so you're talking
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about not that far away from being an adult so there was probably a lot of runaway
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situations as well there was though a complete lack of recognition that there was a problem here I mean this is this
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simply indicates an extreme police incompetence or at the very least disinterest in these missing reports
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yeah I agree but I also kind of disagree because I like you said with the technology they don't know they don't
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know that there's Mass kids missing yeah that's all I'm saying I don't want to throw them under the bus
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and say they they just just didn't do [ __ ] well parent after parent came forward and blasted the Houston Police
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for their tunnel vision that the boys were simply runaways and the rebuttal police chief Herman short met with the
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Press after the bodies were found he said his Department was underfunded and could not possibly look into the over 50
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sorry the over 5 000 annual cases of missing kids that were reported in Houston and stated uncategorically that
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any claims that Houston PD had dropped the ball on looking for missing kids was on untrue now of course in some of the
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cases a portion of the blame does lie with the parents and according to Chief short
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some of the boys who quarrels would end up being chorus victims they were never even reported missing at all right in
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some other cases one could probably make an argument that the parents were not paying much attention to what their sons
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were doing and they should probably know the whereabouts of their children and the company that they kept or maybe just
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report them missing well and the sheriff concluded by saying that he planned a department Crackdown on hitchhiking this
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likely because Wayne Henley in an interview right after the discovery of the bodies told the media you've got to
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warn these kids against hitchhiking that's how we picked up most of them [Music]
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foreign [Music] movies and I think well I don't know if it's one of your favorite movies Teen Wolf oh yeah yeah I
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love calling people dick noses it's my favorite movie no the favorite movie of all no I was actually thinking uh for
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like non-scary Halloween movies I was thinking about that the other day and Teen Wolf would fall into that category
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for me of like top 10 movies that just aren't scary they're not meant to be scary but right would be good Halloween
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themed movies definitely a Halloween movie I I feel you on that one yeah but one of the scenes is Styles and Michael
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J fox and styles is looking for his weed and he has a shirt that says what are you looking at dick knows and I just
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think that's hilarious so I made them and they are going to be available for pre-order in the store for the next week
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and a half or so now nobody ever do this they say don't try this at home I say don't try this anywhere okay
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um but my favorite scene when I was a kid that I thought was the coolest thing I had ever seen when I first watched
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Teen Wolf for the first time there's a scene where they're car surfing and I somebody is at Styles is he Standing On
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Top of the car and they're driving and he's pretending to be surfing on the car as it drives
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don't try that anywhere all right wait my my favorite scene is at the end of the movie when they win the game or
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whatever spoiler or oh wow is in the background a gentleman stands up from the bleachers and
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it's in the background and you can see them zip zip up his pants I don't know why that cracks me up every time the
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center on the basketball team is my favorite guy on the team all right a Harris County grand jury was convened
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regarding these cases principal Witnesses included Tim Curley and Rhonda Williams who presumably
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testified to the events of the night of Dean Coral's death in August another witness came in with a grocery
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bag over his head to hide his identity squares cut out so he could see this was Billy riding her whose life Brooks
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claimed to have saved now we don't know what riding her testified about we can only imagine that he suffered terrible
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and traumatic sexual abuse at the hands of Dean Coral before being released but if redinger would have gone to the
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authorities at that time again another situation of who knows how many boys could have been saved but he didn't and
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perhaps Dean Coral had some kind of hold over him or perhaps he was so deeply ashamed that he couldn't bring himself
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to tell anyone right now the grand jury wasted little time indicting Henley and Brooks after six hours of deliberation
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it returned true bills against both boys all in all they both receive multiple indictments efforts by defense attorneys
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to get the young men freed on bail failed thank God and a psychiatric evaluations were ordered Henley was not
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charged in the murder of Dean Coral but he was charged in the murder of others right right then 12 Grand jurors
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who indicted Henley and Brooks for murder went off the grid and issued an explosive report that criticized the
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police and the district attorney saying their investigation left unexplored the possible involvement of others and
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related criminal activities in the course of pre-trial hearings some very interesting new information emerged
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Dean Coral kept keys he collected from boys whom he entertained at his home police found 75 to 100 keys I couldn't
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get an exact number because it varied lowest number I found 75 highest number 100 but they found somewhere between 75
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and 100 keys in a box at the Lamar Street home where he last lived before being shot Henley stated to
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investigators that one of Dean Coral's motivations for retaining the keys of his victims had been that he would
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subsequently burglarize their homes so this is where my mind jumps to did he did Dean label each key so he would know
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which key would match up to which house right right yeah because you can't just go up to a door and then fumble through
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75 Keys looking for the right one well Henley and Brooks they were tried separately
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at the trial Tim Curley testified to what happened on the night Henley shot Dean Coral he said his life was saved
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when Henley killed Coral of course his life would have never been in danger in the first place if Henley hadn't
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delivered him right to that apartment now Rhonda testified as well but she did so behind closed doors because keep in
00:34:11
mind she was still a juvenile at this time Billy riddinger testified as to what was
00:34:17
done to him after being lured by Henley and Brooks the prosecution called dozens
00:34:22
of witnesses and introduced 82 pieces of evidence including Coral's torture board
00:34:28
and one of the boxes used to transport the victims a Houston Police chemist testified that Henley's hair was found
00:34:36
on a discarded clothing of one of the victims and in one of the plywood boxes used by the trio to transport bodies his
00:34:45
hair was also found on a device used to torture the victims before they were killed
00:34:51
Henley's attorneys did not put up much of a defense and Henley did not testify his confession was accepted as solid
00:34:59
evidence against him it was read and full to the jury the jury found Henley guilty on six counts he received six
00:35:07
consecutive 99-year sentences his accomplice David Brooks received one 99-year sentence did he say so so you're
00:35:17
saying there's a chance there's a chance if he can live a hundred additional years
00:35:23
in Henley's case the prosecutor said in his closing arguments that he apologized
00:35:27
for not being able to seek the death penalty because the case was the most extreme example of human of man's
00:35:35
inhumanity to man that he had ever seen yeah Henley's request for parole have been denied there is no question that
00:35:44
Wayne Henley and David Brooks deserve to be punished severely for their roles in
00:35:49
the abduction torture and deaths of 27 28 boys but one has to question whether the two would have received the same
00:35:58
sentences if Dean Coral was still alive right he would have assumably taken the brunt of the legal justice and perhaps
00:36:08
Henry Henley and Brooks would have then been seen less culpable in mere boys who
00:36:14
fell under the influence of the dominance of this monster well they're definitely victims
00:36:20
on their right right they're victims but again this is this is also the weird terminology as far as sex trafficking as
00:36:29
some people just view it as that you um you you kidnap somebody that that you sell them to a different place they go
00:36:39
into hiding no part of sex trafficking is is having control over and an individual
00:36:46
in their Community yeah so essentially this would fall under those terms you know yes they helped with those
00:36:55
crimes but they helped those crimes under basically being held hostage on some level but
00:37:03
but at what point do you you have to understand that they're victims and you have to you know you
00:37:10
have to sympathize with that part and they probably never would have done what they did if it wasn't for Dean but
00:37:18
They At what point how many victims at some point you have to say you are responsible for these actions and and
00:37:26
and face the charges this is one of those rare cases where the where one person two people are both
00:37:35
victim and Monster it's very rare that you see that but this is a prime example of a case where
00:37:42
somebody is both the victim and the monster just like you said how many times until
00:37:47
you stop being the victim and you become the monster right and and again there there might have been something in
00:37:53
Dean's past or maybe he was tortured by a older gentleman that's possible but again you can't
00:38:03
um you can't have some kind of trauma that happened to you when you're younger and then go and murder people and then
00:38:10
it's okay because you were a victim first and I actually you know I throw that question out there of would their
00:38:17
sentences have been less I think we have a situation here where there was no death penalty at the time and so I don't
00:38:24
know that how much more severe Dean Coral's sentence could have been now there would have been a chance that they
00:38:30
may have needed both boys to testify against Dean coral and maybe that would have helped create a shorter sentence
00:38:37
for either boy however I think if I think without Dean Coral being dead I don't think any of this comes to light
00:38:47
meaning I think in some weird way both boys feared and felt protected by Dean Coral at the same time and I think this
00:38:56
confession that started with Henley only really came about because he shot and killed Dean coral and he was forced to
00:39:04
talk to police about that specific incident of course and and the the it's very odd here because
00:39:12
if that girl doesn't get her mouth free if if she is not able to talk Henley into helping her
00:39:21
you know so therefore she is you know a hero on some level but on some level Henley's a hero because
00:39:28
he did put it into this and there was enough Humanity left in his brain to to stop this at some point
00:39:39
one thing we haven't talked about but we did mention that it was going to be extremely difficult was identifying all
00:39:45
of these dead bodies of course identification of all of the bodies found would be extremely difficult most
00:39:52
of these kids had never been fingerprinted and they were decayed by the time that they were found many of
00:39:58
them had no dental records there was of course no DNA testing at the time either
00:40:03
now the number of deaths Coral was blamed for would fluctuate as authorities tried to determine who all
00:40:11
these bodies were one of these complicated identification situations arose just a month after
00:40:18
Coral was shot the wardrop family identified and buried their two sons both victims of coral they buried their
00:40:27
sons in a graveyard in Atlanta on Friday September 7 1973 the waldrops received a
00:40:35
shocking telephone call that there had been a mistake the two boys that the waldrops took back from Houston and
00:40:41
buried in Atlanta were not their children there had been a mix-up in the identification and the wrong bodies were
00:40:48
sent to Atlanta an official in the district attorney's office said that the bodies buried in Atlanta were those of
00:40:55
Molly Winkle I'm sorry Mally Winkle and David hillegeist nearly two weeks after the discovery of the terrible mix-up the
00:41:03
body exchange was accomplished now by the time of Henley's trial in 1974 21 of the bodies were positively identified
00:41:13
but the body of John Manning sellers was controversial his body was one of the six found on
00:41:21
High Island but it didn't fit the pattern of the other bodies attributed to Dean Coral first of all the corpse
00:41:29
was clothed the others were found naked and this was found several miles down the beach from
00:41:36
the other five victims and sellers was killed with a high powered rifle whereas the other 26 were either shot or
00:41:44
strangled shot with a 22. sellers was reported missing on July 12 1973 his burned out car was found in Starks
00:41:54
Louisiana a week later the medical examiner testified that he did not believe that sellers was one of Dean
00:42:00
Coral's victims so this could possibly take the number of people killed by Coral 226 and not 27. but
00:42:10
sellers is listed as one of Coral's victims on most lists on Wikipedia they have the Eden Coral's list at 28 plus
00:42:20
so meaning that he might have more than 28 victims well then Captain there is an
00:42:26
individual named Mark Scott in 1994 more than two decades after the murders the medical examiner's office presented the
00:42:34
Scots with remains that they said they believed were Marx based on early versions of DNA identification the
00:42:43
family had the remains cremated and placed in a family crypt at Brookside Memorial
00:42:49
but we're not still convinced that they were given the right boy the medical examiner's office kept a
00:42:57
single bone from The Remains Sharon Derrick visited the Scots and took a DNA sample from Mark's brother Jeff and what
00:43:07
she would later describe as one of the saddest moments of her career she returned to the Scott's home and told
00:43:13
them the DNA from Jess Schwab did not match the DNA that came from the bone the conclusion was inescapable Mark was
00:43:23
somewhere else and was not the body lying in the family crypt do we know where farmy Malik was at around 74.
00:43:32
during 74 I mean was he in Texas because that's a good question he says farm he reading all over it yeah because boys on
00:43:40
the tracks was what 80 86 87 yeah yeah well it's thought that Mark's remains are probably still at High
00:43:49
Island on the beach remember um we talked about how difficult the search was for the bodies there and we
00:43:56
also need to point out too that eventually later um this whole area was submerged
00:44:02
partially under water during Hurricane Ike so because of that and because because of the original difficulty
00:44:09
Factor I've got to believe that unfortunately I don't think Mark will ever be found right the boy whose
00:44:16
remains were buried in the Scott family crypt turned out to be Steven sickman a 17 year old last seen walking down West
00:44:24
34th Street shortly before midnight on July 19 1972. sickman's mother reported her son missing shortly after his
00:44:33
disappearance but police were unwilling to conduct the search for him telling the mother that the youth was 17 years
00:44:39
old and that unless they found a body there was nothing they could do to assist her sickman of course was
00:44:46
murdered by coral and his henchmen right by the late 2000s amazingly three sets of remains still remained unidentified
00:44:55
Sharon Derek a forensic anthropologist has made it her mission to identify the last of Coral's victims
00:45:05
go ahead last of what was dug up because we do have this map where they didn't do
00:45:10
digging yeah and and look if if we have we have this guy that carries out the mo
00:45:16
constantly pretty much the same you know maybe he'll teeter-totter on well I'll shoot him this time and not strangle
00:45:24
them this time but the ammo is most often the same so then we have evidence that this guy has 75 to 100 keys of
00:45:33
possible victims so on Wikipedia you put 28 plus well that's there's a lot more than that
00:45:42
and I'd say the numbers probably between 75 and 100. I I bet you regarding that map that they found at
00:45:50
the cabin you're probably talking anywhere from three to half a dozen more victims just on that map alone right
00:45:56
that are never going to get any justice and there could be as simple as was there a missing person
00:46:03
you know reported in this family and was their house at some point was something
00:46:10
stolen from their house there wouldn't be any break-in but just right there would be enough evidence for your family
00:46:17
to go this missing person that we never saw again possibly was a victim of Dean well more
00:46:25
regarding Sharon Derek who I think is one of the few heroes in this sad story eventually she was and has been in
00:46:33
contact with all of the families and you know these are people that believe that
00:46:39
their child may have been a victim but whose body has not been found so she has pursued all of the missing persons
00:46:47
reports filed in the area between 1970 and 1973 one thing not done by the police as well as others sent to her by
00:46:56
parents of missing Boys in 2008 37 years after the murders one family finally got
00:47:03
closure Sharon Derrick showed a photo of a facial reconstruction of an anonymous
00:47:09
victim to David Brooks who was sitting in prison Brooks stared at the photo and said he didn't know who the boy was but
00:47:18
he knew how he had died he drew a map of an intersection in the Heights Shepard and 13th Street and he pointed
00:47:27
to a particular corner where the boy had lived Sharon Derek realized that that was the home of a boy who disappeared in
00:47:34
1971 and whose frantic mother filed a missing person's report two days later this was Randall Harvey
00:47:41
he was only 15 when he left to ride his bike to a gas station his body was found
00:47:47
in the boat shed his mother had died but his sisters were overcome with the news
00:47:54
that they had finally identified his body in 2010 two Riders who were working on a book about the case raised a
00:48:02
question about the date of death of the boy who was buried as Michael bolch they
00:48:08
noted from the police and autopsy reports that the boy buried as Michael was found largely skeletonized
00:48:15
suggesting that he had died in early 1972 but Michael didn't go missing until July of 1973.
00:48:23
the medical examiner obtained a DNA sample from another bulge sibling and ran it against the DNA profiles
00:48:31
belonging to the two unidentified bodies in the unmarked grave the test revealed that one of them was
00:48:38
in fact Michael Balch the problem was of course Michael had been buried alongside
00:48:44
his brother Billy and Woodlawn Garden Of Memories Cemetery years earlier so who was the body buried in the grave labeled
00:48:53
Michael Balch the medical examiner had a list of names possible victims called from missing
00:49:00
persons reports in the area at the time it wasn't until 2011 that the boy buried
00:49:07
as Michael Balch was finally identified after exhuming the remains and conducting DNA testing he was identified
00:49:15
as Roy Bunton Roy left work in a shoe store in the Northwest Mall and never was seen again bunton's family feared
00:49:24
that he was one of Dean Coral's victims and they provided a description of him to the medical examiner but they were
00:49:31
never able to identify or find him because he was buried with incorrect identification now this only leaves one
00:49:39
victim remaining unidentified and he remained so to this day this is a victim who has been called the
00:49:47
swimsuit boy because he was wearing a brightly colored swimming trunks when his body was found okay he was also
00:49:55
wearing an unusual T-shirt with a peace symbol on the back and what appears to be some kind of military lettering on
00:50:02
the front and cowboy boots he was five foot five inches or maybe five foot six inches tall and he had brown hair there
00:50:12
is a reconstruction of his face it has been made available online Sharon Derrick says she believes swimsuit boy
00:50:20
likely came from the Houston area now we have our thoughts Captain we've been talking off Mike about this case a
00:50:30
little bit when we like to throw some of our thoughts on here because the first thing that I think about when
00:50:37
I think of the story of Dean Coral the the Candyman was and that's why I included some of
00:50:44
those more well-known names in the trailer Gacy Dahmer and so on is that Dean Coral he's not as well known as
00:50:52
some of these other monsters but he's simply equal to all of them he's he should be
00:50:58
feared and hated as much as as all of these others and in fact one thing you and I kept kind of coming back to is
00:51:05
that he and Gacy shared very similar MOS yeah on many different levels it's almost
00:51:13
like the same MO right and and really you just wonder because this happened early in 70 was Casey reading about this
00:51:23
going hey that that makes some sense let me do that yeah and even just the fact that they would both let's take the
00:51:31
killing out of it completely let's take the handcuffed trick out of it completely just the fact that both of
00:51:37
them were attracted to teenage boys and had the idea of well let's how about I just party with them how about I invite
00:51:45
him over to my house and let's feed him some beers and and drink and smoke pot and stuff like that on both of them
00:51:52
there's some evidence that shows that both of them could have been involved in sex trafficking of these young boys and
00:52:00
did Dean get these ideas or Gacy get these ideas because they're from different areas now Dean was was
00:52:08
actually born in Indiana which would have been close to Gacy yeah so is there some connection as far as sex
00:52:17
trafficking where they got these ideas from people they possibly were selling victims to well and unfortunately and
00:52:23
I've said it here before and I'll say it again unfortunately these serial killers
00:52:27
they learn from one another they do study one another and specifically there was a killer that was interviewed by
00:52:34
John Douglas and John Douglas says hey I brought up the idea of did you read about serial killers and the he said the
00:52:41
killer looked at him like he was a [ __ ] right he said look man you growing up you read the backs of baseball cards
00:52:47
studying stats right he goes same thing I did but I didn't care about baseball I
00:52:52
ca I cared about killing even at a young age I was reading about these killers and learning what to do and learning
00:52:59
what not to do so that I could get away with it for longer well let's get to some of the aftermath
00:53:06
of this whole thing so Dean Arnold Coral was laid to rest in August of 1973 and a
00:53:13
quiet 15-minute service at Pasadena's Grandview Memorial Park this is going to sicken all of us
00:53:22
remember he did serve in the military for a very brief stint so the American flag was removed from his casket and
00:53:32
given to his father before the casket was lowered into the grave he did receive a military burial
00:53:39
a sunset United Methodist Church Reverend conducted the services among the small group of relatives and friends
00:53:46
at the quiet burial were half a dozen members of Coral's immediate family including his mother and his grandmother
00:53:53
the choral story isn't talked about much in Houston today now we have Mary West Dean Coral's mother
00:54:02
she continued to exhibit denial even 20 years after the fact telling the Houston
00:54:07
Chronicle that she believed that Wayne Henley and David Brooks actually did the killings and she thinks that Henley
00:54:14
should have stood trial for murdering her son Tim Curley who survived Dean's torture board after being delivered by
00:54:22
Wayne Henley as fresh meat gave his only his one and only interview to a Houston
00:54:28
television station in 2008 saying quote I have two choices either accept it and move on or kill myself according to a
00:54:38
close relative curly spir spiraled downward after the interview drinking heavily and suffering from his own form
00:54:45
of post-traumatic shock in March of 2009 Curley died reportedly of a heart attack he was 55 years old
00:54:54
now as we've pointed out us plus some in law enforcement do think that there are more bodies out there but
00:55:03
law enforcement have resigned themselves to the likelihood that they will never be found so remember all of those
00:55:10
missing persons reports that came into the juvenile division of Houston PD you have to wonder did some of these
00:55:17
individuals run into Dean Coral that's when you ask yourself how many more could possibly be out there now
00:55:26
whenever Henley and Brooks applied for parole the parents of all of their victims were forced to relive the
00:55:33
horrific murders as they wrote letters to the state parole board objecting to the release of the men who killed their
00:55:42
sons finally in 2015 a law was passed allowing the parole board to limit parole requests to every 10 years Brooks
00:55:52
will be up again in 2028 Henley in 2025. [Music] thank you what a sick bastard I'm never eating
00:56:09
candy again yeah everybody be safe on your trick-or-treat night everybody be safe make sure there's no braids or
00:56:17
blades in your candy make sure you take out all the regular blades with that anyway we do want to thank everybody
00:56:24
Captain all of our social media friends for their Instagram stories all the people that go to the website and join
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00:56:40
and that's why every week the captain says thanks for listening thanks for telling your friends and until next week
00:56:47
friends be good be kind and don't litter thank you [Music]