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[Music] [Music] crime [Music] princess doe was found July 15th 1982 in Blairstown New Jersey she was
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given the name of Princess so she would not be just another Jane Doe next week will be 40 years since her
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body was discovered and there are so many out there that still hope and pray that one day her headstone will bear her
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real name after the gruesome discovery of her body and as time marched on in 1982 princess doe remained unclaimed in
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the morg for 6 months the good people of Blairstown pulled together their financial
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resources for a proper burial for the girl today she lies in Eternal rest in the
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Cedar Ridge Cemetery steps away from where her half clothed body was found down a wooded embankment on that muggy
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summer day to this day princess Doe's true identity Still Remains unknown her name forever imprinted in cyberspace on
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the Warren County prosecutor's office cold cases website The Headstone placed at her current resting spot was paid for
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by local donated funds The Headstone simply reads princess Dove missing from home dead
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among strangers remembered by all born question mark found July 15 1982 this is drwr
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[Music] garage there are several law enforcement agencies involved in the investigation
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into figuring out who princess Doe is who princess doe was and who is the perpetrator of her murder I will read
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directly from the prosecutors website so that we don't misconstrue any of the facts here and from the Warren County
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prosecutor's website it states unidentified female known as Princess doe a deceased female was found on July
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15th 1982 in waren County New Jersey her body was found behind Cedar Ridge Cemetery
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on Highway 94 located in Blairstown the female had been deceased for less than a week prior to being
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found she is 15 to 20 years old she was petite standing approximately 5'2 in tall and weighing 110 lb now keep in
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mind those are both approximate numbers on the weight and the height her left earlobe was double pierced but no
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earrings were found it is unknown if if her right ear was pierced or not the female had been treated by a dentist at
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one point in her life as a few Dental fillings were observed in her teeth she was found wearing a red v-neck short
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sleeve shirt and a long red wraparound skirt that had peacocks pictured around the lower hem border she was also
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wearing a gold chain necklace that had white beads along the chain and an ornate cross pendant images of the skirt
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and cross are featured on the prosecutor's website and we will put that on our social media the thing that
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we need to point out here too Captain is that facial reconstruction was completed
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by the national Center for missing and exploited children forensic artist and depicts what the female or princess doe
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may have looked like in life so we have those sketches we have those artist renderings of what they believe princess
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do may have looked like another interesting thing is that she had red nail polish on her right hand only and
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that she had no known surgical scars or distinguished birth marks or tattoos well at least this is what we know of
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her body we don't know if there were scars or any marks on her face because she was so badly beaten in the face I
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want to cite a wonderful story that was put together by a Natasha Mullins on the
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website medium.com and Natasha titled her article about the princess do case she
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titled it the woman who lies dead among strangers it's a really good read I recommend that everybody check that out
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on medium.com I'll read a portion of it here which gives a little more description on the discovery of the body
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of the remains and this is titled a brutal discovery which it exactly that's exactly what it was and it reads Cedar
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Ridge Cemetery is a small Cemetery nestled in the forest of Blairstown New Jersey off of Highway 94 Blairstown was
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a farming Community home to just over 5,000 permanent residents in 1982 and was a quiet little town without
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many disturbances on July 15th 1982 George crease a Gravedigger for Cedar Ridge Cemetery was walking through
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a wooded area towards the rear of the cemetery when he came across a horrific Discovery lying face up on the bank of a
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creek bed was the decomposing body of a young woman she was wearing a red t-shirt and a red peasant skirt was
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folded across her legs her face had been bludgeon to the point that it was unrecognizable and a gold cross necklace
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was Tangled in her hair Cree notified the police immediately and an investigation began no identifying
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possessions were found on the body of the woman and because of how she was found the case was immediately
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considered a homicide an autopsy concluded that she had died of blunt force trauma to her head but the weapon
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use could not be determined she was found without undergarments but no evidence of sexual assault could be
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confirmed because of the state of the decomposition so the killer unfortunately did did not leave any
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collectible DNA behind at the crime scene there was no evidence of drugs in Jane Doe's system but the medical
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examiner initially reported that there was alcohol in her system it was later discovered that decomposition had made
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her blood ferment which made it impossible to determine if she was intoxicated at the time of her death
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however it was clear that she wasn't incapacitated during the attack because there were defensive wounds to her arms
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and hands she had fought back against whoever attacked her it was initially estimated that Jane Doe later named
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princess doe had been in the graveyard for two weeks but later investigators have changed this number to just a few
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days I guess the moist air around the creek likely sped up the decomposition and as well as the hot muggy days making
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it appear as though she had been there for a longer period of time what we have stated here in this article Captain is
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that July 11 July 11th is the approximate date of Princess Doe's death although it is uncertain as to what the
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exact day is the other thing that complicates this thing of coming up with the time of death or the date of death
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here for princess doe is the article points out that moist air around the creek the location of the cemetery where
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she's found plus it's hot muggy days it's July this all kinds of speeds up the process the decomposition process so
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while we know that that would speed it up it gets difficult to even determine when she was placed there MH so we don't
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know how much of the decomposition was actually sped up in her situation I mean we could be talking about any number of
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situations going on here it's a real mystery and and unfortunately there's not a whole lot of breadcrumbs to lead
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us anywhere here in this case I mean we could be talking about think about what we spent
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so much time talking about here in the garage recently the America's Highway serial killers some of these victims
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were transported hundreds of miles if not a thousand miles away from where they were abducted we don't know where
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she was killed but we do have investigators who have been on the record saying we believe she was killed
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elsewhere and then eventually placed in the cemetery where she was found well because it was such a remote location
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too we don't know if she was found within a day or so of being dumped there or a week or more right and so I I think
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that I would be hesitant to put July 11 as the approximate date of death I think
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that it's interesting that they give us one they provide us with one but I would
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if that were my job I would not be wanting to put my stamp on that I think there's too many factors and variables
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to consider when trying to come up with that that window and again I keep going back to our America Highway serial
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killer episodes and thinking she's found right off of Highway 94 there's a chance that that's not a
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coincidence that somebody drove this person drove this victim killed them elsewhere days before and then
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transported them and and placed her there where she was ultimately found well the other problem in this case is
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going to be because she is so badly beaten in the face that they're not able to figure out what her eye color would
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be so another identifier that we just don't have the information for and weirdly
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enough man we have a situation here where she's found in a cemetery and then later buried in the same Cemetery so the
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the town's people of the good people of Blairstown New Jersey they pulled together their funds and they decided to
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give her a proper burial with with a headstone but to me it's a little creepy she's being found in this cemetery and
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then later buried there as well I'm guessing here captain that there I don't know what this Creek is like in this
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location it's likely that it's not big enough or powerful enough for her to have been deposited by the creek you
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know that she was dumped in a in a larger body of water or and somehow the water carried her here it doesn't seem
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like any of the investigators believe that to be a scenario worth considering so I'm going to have to go off of the
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fact that they've never mentioned that plus there would there should be more evidence of her being in a river or
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being in water for a considerable amount of time before she's found in this location one item of concern to me and
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this would be very helpful to our little armchair investigation here Captain our
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little garage investigation if you will I would like to know from this George crease and I hope that I'm saying his
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name correctly he's a Gravedigger a caretaker for this Cedar Ridge Cemetery he's the one that found her body on July
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15th 1982 I would like to know from him if he could tell us when he believed the last
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time he was in that exact location of the cemetery right because then we could probably narrow it down a little bit
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better as to when she was placed there and maybe that's information that the medical examiner has and the
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investigators have and they are taking that into consideration when they provide us with this date of approximate
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death of July 11 and if you look at the Cedar Ridge Cemetery on a map an aerial view of the cemetery will show you that
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the location where she is found is is rather on the fringes of the cemetery itself like I wouldn't even consider
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that to be it's probably belongs to the cemetery but it's so close to the creek and in in the start of this wooded area
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that I would like to know you know if George could recall one what days of the week is he there is he there by
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appointment only it doesn't sound to me like this is a job that he's there Monday through Friday every week but
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also taken to factor when were you in this location of the cemetery because her body's found in a spot where you
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could be there you could be working you could be there visiting a past family member and not see it wouldn't be
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obvious that there was a body there it was somewhat concealed to concealed from State Route 94 anyway and there's
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several reconstruction images the one that's in color by the ncmec to me she looks like Kat Von D remember
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that tattoo artist that had a show a tattoo show she I do not Kat Von D she also was famously uh dated Nikki 6 I
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think she also dated um Jesse James so but but looks very similar to to this uh artist ring and
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there are so many different agencies as we pointed out earlier that have been involved at times with this
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investigation I've been told that the proper people to contact should you have any information would be the New Jersey
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State Police but we also referenced the Warren County prosecutor's office and Nick Mech they've worked with the
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national Center for missing and exploited children as well and then we have the do Network so there's a lot of
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information on this case even though we don't know who she was or have very little clue as to who she could have
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been but I do want to point out that depending on which Outlet you get your news from or your information from I
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should say the information is a little different on each of these websites so if we're looking at princessd do.org
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which is a very comprehensive right website it's it's substantial there's a lot of stuff going on there a lot of
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good information I don't know when the last time it was updated it looks like it may have been a couple years since it
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was last updated but on that website we get a little bit of different information that we want to point out
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because the best chance of figuring out who she was would be to crowdsource this
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thing and this is something that they've been trying to do since the 80s to crowdsource this to figure out who she
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could have been and on the princess do.org site it says the victim was found with red nail polish on the right hand
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only as the captain pointed out but here it says both ears were pierced where on
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the waren County website it states that they could not determine this says both ears were pierced the left ear twice so
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some some differing information here well the information I found is that they found two earrings in her left ear
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and then they go on to State this seems to be pretty hardcore fact here uh and everybody seems to be agreeing on this
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information no known surgical scars birth marks or tattoos were found on her person scars or marks on the head face
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area would not be known due to the condition of the body it also goes on to state that the the front two teeth are
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slightly darker than the other teeth dental records are available for comparison so that's good they have some
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dental records which has come to help clear other potential persons that could be princess doe that they've determined
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based off of dental records that the person is not princess do well another identifying factor is that this victim
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has never given birth nor been pregnant so she wasn't pregnant at the time and she's never given birth before so this
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is when they start trying to age her and that's they're putting her between you know 14 to 18 years old yeah that varies
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Again by website I've seen 14 to 18 that seems to be the majority consensus but I've also seen 15 to 20 on
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other websites I think just to play it safe let's say 14 to 20 here based off of everybody's speculation what's really
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frustrating to me again is these images you can find a lot of these if you just Google search princess D online but to
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me a lot of the images just look like completely different people so it kind of throws
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you it'd be really hard to compare and contrast you know a photograph of somebody with these drawings well and
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the other thing that we need to keep in mind and I want everybody to to remember
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this at all times when you're when you're thinking of possible theories when we're going through some other
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situations here trying to fill in the blank keep in mind no one has come forward to
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identify her or to claim her that's a big part of this mystery and to me I think that that is what likely holds the
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key the answer to this mystery but let's go through some of the timeline here and
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this is based off of the timeline from Princess doe.org July 15th 1982 is when the unidentified body is found who she
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would later be known as Princess Doe she's laid to rest 6 months later so January 22nd
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1983 is when she is laid to rest in a grave not far from the location where her body was originally discovered at
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the Cedar Ridge Cemetery now she's named princess Doe by the investigators and by
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the good people of Blairstown New Jersey because they didn't want her to just be
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another Jane Doe so this is a way to distinguish her from other Jane doees part of that being her young age you
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know they believe that she could possibly be a child we said it earlier as young as 14 maybe as old as 20 right
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but she was also somebody that was in good health and well taken care of or took care of herself leading up to her
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death so this wasn't somebody that was malnourished or uh never been to the dentist or anything like that some
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situations that we have covered in other cases and 1983 HBO airs a special about
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unidentified human remains and features the princess doe case this is also the same year when Princess do becomes the
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first unidentified person case entered into the ncic computer database by the FBI the next month in July of 83 is when
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we have the unveiling of a lifelike bust of Princess doe based off of the inter ations of the remains so as the captain
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pointed out over the years we will have different sketches different computer composits of the victim and also we have
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this lifelike bust that is put together right now in 1985 something really interesting
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happens in this case and and something that that really I think still we sit here and we're we're 40 years later
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we're one week from being 40 years to the date of when Princess do was found but this is something that
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also needs cleared up even though it took place in 1985 so starting in 1985 investigators in New Jersey became
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convinced that princess doe was Diane die a teenager who went missing from San Jose California in
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1979 so Diane Dy ran away from home there were problems at home and she decided to take off now they are
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believing that 3 years later she's found unidentified Beat to Death blooded to death in New Jersey and she could be
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princess doe now Diane d was 13 at the time of her disappearance so she would have fallen kind of perfectly into that
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age range and the height and weight range of Princess doe so this was a bit of a debate right we had the D family
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that says no we don't believe that that princess doe is our missing little girl we believe that she's probably still
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alive and well and just doesn't want to come home we don't believe or have any reason to suspect that she made it all
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the way to New Jersey but see then you have to argue what we were just talking about
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earlier this is right next to Highway 94 right is it a possibility that she was killed hundreds of miles away that she
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didn't make her own way to New Jersey the person responsible for her murder made her way to New Jersey my big issue
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with this whole concept though is that Diane D's family doesn't believe that princess doe is her yes and there was as
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said a lot of debate there was not just debate between the die family and law enforcement there was debate
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within law enforcement itself well law enforcement made an announcement public publicly I mean I I think that's very
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irresponsible well right and we should point out that that was one person decided to do that that kind of went off
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on their own yeah one dumbass without permission without proper evidence without anything kind of sealing the
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deal here because what we would later learn in 2003 they were able to make a DNA
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comparison from the die family to princess doe and it was determined that the two were completely unrelated right
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so no chance that Diane Dy is Princess doe what what boggles my mind is that that was left
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open-ended for so long from 1985 to 2003 before they could determine that it was in fact not Dian
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die and as you stated Captain some someone in law enforcement says publicly that princess doe was Diane
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die it still remains to this day that there are a lot of people out here and out there that once knew of this case
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and believed that at least the identity portion of it is solved and still believe that princess doe is or was
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Diane d and we're here to tell you that is not the case at all this these are scientific facts that prove that D and
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on this case but also on the Johnny gosh case now that we've cleared up the whole
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Dian die angle of this investigation let's jump back in time two years prior to 1983 this is when police released photos
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of the clothing that princess doe was wearing at the time of her death uh that she was found still wearing when her
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body was discovered this is because they believe that the clothing was somewhat unique and hoping that somebody would
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recognize the clothing and then come forward with information about who princess doe could have been now we
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should also point out that initially and this makes sense anybody that's reviewed
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any murder case will know that initially the Blairstown police they believed that
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it was going to be a local girl when she was first discovered but then very quickly after a couple of days of nobody
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coming forward to identify her now they start going well we're going to have to expand our our thoughts and
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considerations here on who this could be it could be somebody from a nearby Town
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nearby City or even out of state I wish that they would have I understand holding on to this information I
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understand not wanting to release it until you feel like you have to but I also look on these things with hindsight
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and I say I think that you waited too long you know we we do in this case have people coming forward saying oh that
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clothing well that that reminds me of something here's some information for you but I'm wondering what kind of
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information and how much better could the information have been had You released these photographs earlier you
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know people forget stuff things get lost in people's memories things get lost in
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time but they do have people that come forward after they release the photos of this clothing that princess do was
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wearing one of the witnesses claimed that she had seen a woman the woman princess doe at a store near the
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cemetery right another set of witnesses confirm this saying that they had seen a
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woman at a grocery store two days before the murder so I'm guessing this is before July 11th 1982
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they're saying that she was wearing her hair in a bun at the time and reportedly
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had a stoic expression like him GK unfortunately none of these Witnesses said that they spoke with the woman but
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they did they were all certain that it was Princess doe that they had seen based off of this unique clothing now
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another witness revealed that she had seen very similar clothing to what Jane Doe princess doe was wearing in a
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clothing sore on Long Island the witness was certain that her clothing had been bought in Long Island
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and so police began investigating disappearances in that area they also checked school records for a girl
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matching the princess Doe's description but no further leads were found there were some eyewitnesses that believe that
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princess doe was working at a motel yes one of these Witnesses state that this was a motel near Blairstown New Jersey
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this witness said that they actually spoke to the woman and said that they were told by her that she was a runaway
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from Florida and that her father was a dentist and that she was looking for work and that she's also anti-dentite
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well and then we have others that come forward from various Motel over in New York also in New Jersey and in
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Maryland that are coming forward saying that we think that we saw her working at
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motel over over there if in fact this was Princess doe it sounds to me Captain like she must have been living under
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some different aliases at the time because this information while we only have bits and pieces of it I'm sure law
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enforcement have a significant amount more and they've not been able to tie this information to an identification of
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Princess doe yeah we don't know for sure if it was a hoel motel Holiday Yen well
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so it wasn't like there was no press or nobody talking about this case but it had its es and flows but we're going to
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have some significant break or at least some significant information in this case 17 years later in
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1999 yeah so this is when we have an arrest that that would seemingly be unrelated to our case and the arrest is
00:35:48
of a Donna kren law and so she is arrested for fraud she's committing fraud and she's a bit of a career
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criminal well her husband Arthur who's a few years older than her is a bit of a career criminal as well now from my
00:36:03
understanding here Captain Donna was picked up in California I believe but was originally from New Jersey or from
00:36:10
the New Jersey area and she's stating that they had committed some crimes in that area before she left and was
00:36:19
committing fraud in California and they were running I say they her and her husband according to
00:36:25
Donna were running a sex trafficking operation or a sex ring where they had working girls sex
00:36:35
workers that were either employed by them or forced into working for them it's a little
00:36:43
unclear and I think you'll understand why once we start going through some of this
00:36:48
information but Donna is telling law enforcement that she believes that her husband is the one that killed princess
00:36:57
doe that was responsible for her murder stating that he was a [ __ ] princess at
00:37:03
the time of her arrest she's stating that the couple was angered when the woman now known as Princess doe refused
00:37:10
to work for them as a prostitute and she said that her husband left with the girl and didn't come back
00:37:19
with her now why would she suspect that he had killed her well because she had witnessed or been a part of
00:37:27
her husband Arthur killing two other girls and now these other victims one is known as
00:37:36
Linda but again that's Linda with quotation marks so they don't know that Linda was her actual first name and
00:37:46
their other victim is believed to be suffk County Jane do so let's point out something here Captain that's rather
00:37:54
obvious first off we have this couple that confesses first the wife confesses and then the husband
00:38:01
confesses to being the the perpetrator of the murder of Princess doe this is going to be highly debated
00:38:10
amongst law enforcement what is in their favor for them telling the truth in this situation
00:38:17
would be that their other victims still remain unidentified they were unidentified at the time that they were
00:38:23
found right and the other victim share similar injuries that we have with Princess do so that is in their favor of
00:38:34
them telling the truth however we have investigators who are on the record that state that they don't believe that the
00:38:41
kren laws killed princess doe based off of the confession that they received it it doesn't align with the facts of the
00:38:50
case the facts that they know about the case the other thing too that I want to point out here as well is if our
00:38:58
princess doe was killed by a stranger or somebody that wanted to harm her what I
00:39:05
would suspect I'm not saying it would have to happen or be 100% but I would suspect that somebody that knew her that
00:39:13
loved her or even once knew her or once loved her would have come forward by now
00:39:19
and said hey I think that that is my missing daughter or my missing niece or my missing right sister anybody like
00:39:28
that I think would have come forward and because we have no one coming forward to
00:39:33
claim princess do as being somebody to me where I think the suspicion lies is that very likely somebody that was very
00:39:42
close to her is responsible for her murder and we've seen this with some other cases that we've reviewed here in
00:39:49
the garage where you get somebody that's estranged from their family and they're
00:39:53
killed by a husband or a boyfriend or a fiance right and placed out somewhere if
00:39:59
they're not identified that these family members aren't coming forward she may have already been estranged from her
00:40:05
family maybe even a runaway yeah or running from an abusive situation but we've reviewed plenty of cases where a
00:40:12
husband boyfriend or fiance who lives states away from the victim's family will even contact the victim's family at
00:40:20
some point maybe months later and say yeah yeah she uh she took off she started running around on me she took
00:40:26
off last time I I was aware she was in Maryland or she was in Michigan and they start throwing out these different
00:40:32
states of where this person could be now I am in agreeance with the speculation against the Crim laws Arthur and Donna
00:40:41
because the the injuries to their other victims are damn near spoton to what we have
00:40:48
with Princess doe but again we have investigators saying that they don't know the facts of the case their
00:40:54
confessions don't align with the facts of the case their confessions only align with the publicly known knowledge the
00:41:02
publicly known information that has been released in her case and keep in mind too I think with Princess do we're
00:41:09
probably talking about the likelihood of some kind of sexual assault is I would put it on the high probability
00:41:17
end of the spectrum here of our investigation based off of the fact that she's not found with any undergarments
00:41:25
on her person even though they could not determine that because of the decomposition I think that that is
00:41:32
probably the case and probably the situation here but Again difficult thing here is because some people confess to
00:41:40
crimes they don't commit and they have other victims that they don't have the identities for so it's possible that
00:41:47
this guy did kill somebody in a cemetery it's just not princess do it's possible
00:41:52
the kren law is killed more than just the two people that they are Donna KRW is out last time I checked she
00:42:00
was still she's out on the street she's a free woman at this point but the Arthur kren law remains in prison to
00:42:07
this day I'm guessing based off of the two murders that he's locked up for that it's very likely that he has committed
00:42:15
more murders and I think where we probably have some disconnect could be that donin law the wife could be
00:42:25
confusing Prince do with another woman who her husband killed I think with his confession the problem becomes you know
00:42:35
did he kill some other girl somewhere in a cemetery again the investigators are stating that they do not believe that
00:42:42
she was killed in the cemetery they believe she was killed elsewhere in the place there and then on top of that we
00:42:49
have him saying that I killed her and and placed her in that Blairstown Cemetery so it would be difficult to
00:42:57
believe that that he's confusing one victim with another here when we have this specificity of his statements of
00:43:05
that Blairstown Cemetery interestingly enough it's believed that it was the potential Fame that they might have been
00:43:14
seeking with being connected to the princess doe case that we already have a situation where they've murdered where
00:43:22
he's going to be locked up for at least two homicides and their homicides are somewhat similar to what they've read
00:43:30
coming out of New Jersey and that is if he's going to be locked up for two anyway he might as well get some Fame
00:43:37
and notoriety from being connected to what is a famous victim with this princess doe yeah it's sad when these
00:43:46
[ __ ] bags will confess to a crime that they might have had nothing to do with just so it's it's almost like they're
00:43:52
getting a trophy and look at me look at me give me attention now now some of the
00:43:57
identifiers or possible identifiers on princess de are really interesting to me I'm wondering here like with the
00:44:05
fingernail polish on one hand but not on the other hand right is this something that was deliberate you know I've heard
00:44:12
it suggested that well maybe maybe the killer put nail polish on one hand for whatever weird reason or maybe she
00:44:19
removed nail polish but I know several women that will purposely wear nail polish that doesn't match you know maybe
00:44:28
the the toenails are done different than the fingernails or they'll do multiple colors on different fingernails and so I
00:44:36
wonder if it was just simply a style thing for this young woman that she preferred to paint only one hand if that
00:44:45
was something that she commonly did that would be a little unique that would be a
00:44:49
way to potentially identify her if anybody was friends with with a girl at one time that that was known to have
00:44:56
done that only paint one hand well we know the location that she was found I think this is definitely a case that if
00:45:05
the True Crime Community got behind and and shared her picture enough that maybe
00:45:10
we could could get somebody to come forward and say that that was my sister or that was my cousin or or or something
00:45:19
well and we talk about possible identifiers and I know we've ruled out the Diane die connection here but but
00:45:26
what's weird to me man if you look at the Dian die picture and one of the pictures that was generated by Nick Mech
00:45:35
the national Center for missing and exploited children of Princess doe they're eerily similar they're eily
00:45:42
similar so I can see why somebody started to put that together but again we know that to be not the case but you
00:45:50
think with the advancements and technology for DNA that we'd be able to at least link this princess do back to a
00:45:59
family right and you wonder if that's how we're going to end up solving this thing because again I really think that
00:46:07
I think that her not being all right she's not connected to any missing person if she was we would
00:46:14
be having a whole different conversation there is a chance that whoever she was she was actually
00:46:20
reported to be missing but on the flip side of that coin there's also the possib
00:46:26
that she's never been reported missing to anyone and therefore if that ends up being the case I would have to strongly
00:46:35
suspect the person closest to her that being a father a mother a brother a a husband a boyfriend a fiance fancy the
00:46:45
person closest to her is probably responsible for I agree for her murder would be my
00:46:52
belief now there is some interesting things here though still and some potential leads with this isotope
00:47:00
testing and we've seen this in some other cases in the barrel dough cases that we've talked about where they do
00:47:08
testing on the remains and based off of chemicals and other sorts of things they
00:47:13
can determine or take an educated guess as to where the person may have lived for an extended period of time right and
00:47:22
when they do the isotope testing on princess doe what they come up with is that she likely lived for a considerable
00:47:30
amount of time in the state of Arizona so that information that they come up with actually puts her in multiple
00:47:36
States but with them saying that the the strongly most suspected state would be that she lived for an extended period of
00:47:45
time in Arizona the other thing though too is I don't think we can discount these possible sightings of her living
00:47:53
in the area right we have mult multiple witnesses that come forward after seeing
00:47:57
the clothing saying that oh I spoke with a a young woman that worked at a motel that worked in the New Jersey area New
00:48:05
York area Ocean City is strongly mentioned so is Long Island and those locations are really interesting to me
00:48:14
too for several reasons one part of the kren Law's confession states that they meet this
00:48:21
woman that wanted some work and so they're going to try to make her a sex worker and she threatens to rat them out
00:48:30
to police and that is what pissed off Arthur to the point that he kills this young woman the thing the thing that's
00:48:37
interesting to me about the kren law confession though is that it does coincide with some of these possible
00:48:44
eyewitnesses who said that they saw and spoke with somebody leading up to the discovery of Princess doe that they may
00:48:51
have spoke to princess doe so that that story kind of goes along with it now the
00:48:58
strong suspicions to this day Captain are that the kren laws were not involved in Princess Doe's murder right that
00:49:06
princess doe likely lived for a considerable amount of time in the state of Arizona may have been a runaway from
00:49:14
the state of Florida and her father may have been a dentist all based off of these eyewitness statements and some
00:49:21
information that they've collected over the years but we have law enforcement who are on record saying we don't
00:49:28
believe the kren Law's confession however we believe and we have reason to believe that princess doe may have lived
00:49:39
or worked on Long Island in New York which does go along with part of kren Law's confession but again law
00:49:49
enforcement stating everything in kren law's confession is based off of public knowledge public information
00:49:56
stuff they could have read in the newspapers what is weird to me here Captain is 1982 you're weird to me still
00:50:04
unidentified right is this I like the idea of linking this to somebody else right like someone like
00:50:13
kren law who's killed other people in similar Fashions and disposed of the bodies in similar
00:50:19
manners I like connecting it to somebody else I also I I cannot shake the idea that it could a trucker who was
00:50:27
traveling the region or even cross country and that is the reason why we have we've got a disconnect between
00:50:34
linking victim to who she actually was the unidentified remains to the missing person I think that's a strong
00:50:41
possibility the other thing that keeps nagging at me your mother is the Long Island serial killer Yes we have Long
00:50:49
Island serial killer victims that are still unidentified to this day the way that the remains were found in the Long
00:50:57
Island case would suggest that they were killed these victims were killed in a a manner other
00:51:04
than bludgeon to death from everything I read that would be the suspicion I don't
00:51:08
think they've come right out and said how exactly how these victims were killed but I find it interesting that
00:51:16
this happens in 82 we still have some unidentified persons in the Lisk case the Long Island serial killer case
00:51:26
Blairstown New Jersey not terribly far away they believe that there's a connection to Long Island or to Ocean
00:51:34
City I think Ocean City is in Maryland so in that general area there are people that have also suggested that maybe this
00:51:42
might be one of Joel rifkin's earlier kills that could make some sense Joel riffkin is a weird one for me because he
00:51:50
doesn't seem to he he will confess to some things but I also believe that that he's holding a lot back I think there's
00:51:57
other people that he has killed and has held back that information and and chose
00:52:02
not to confess to an extra murder or two than what we know him to be responsible
00:52:07
for well it'll makes sense if this victim is as young as 14 right and he's not willing to confess to certain things
00:52:14
so uh do we have a situation where she's found in New Jersey and he doesn't want
00:52:19
to be prosecuted or charged by a different jurisdiction than his other crimes took place
00:52:25
I have this I'm not saying that that I think that it's connected but I have this nagging sneaky sneaking suspicion
00:52:34
that that Long Island serial killer someone some type of serial killer that was active in this general area in this
00:52:43
region you said region at one point or another is responsible for this princess do it could be could be their first
00:52:51
kill or could be one of their earlier kills that's not been connected the other thought too is that and this is a
00:52:58
strong theory in this case is that whoever is responsible for this is already locked up for another crime
00:53:06
potentially another murder yeah the problem with riffkin too is and and again he could have more more
00:53:15
victims but it seems like he didn't start killing until the late 80s and obviously princess doe is a early 80s
00:53:24
victim on the princess doe website the website dedicated to her case and to helping determine her
00:53:33
identity they got a couple of interesting pages on there Captain one is a theories page and one is a
00:53:40
questions and answers page and I'm not going to go through everything on both of those pages because we've kind of
00:53:46
discussed some of those just in in our general discussion here today but some of the unsubstantiated
00:53:55
prevailing theories in this case are again that she's a a possible runaway that was known to have worked in Ocean
00:54:05
City Maryland again this is inconclusive but it's a it's a a theory that remains
00:54:12
strong to this day at least amongst some and there are other theories that she was uh run away from Florida estranged
00:54:22
from her family again this is based off of those eyewitness statements that came
00:54:27
forward in 1983 there is OB unsubstantiated claims that maybe she was a local sex worker
00:54:37
that worked at the truck stop uh or at local businesses again not confirmed just a theory this one seems
00:54:48
interesting to me though I I tend to believe that she's probably not does not have deep roots in this general area or
00:54:56
any general area nearby where she was eventually found I think if that were the case that we probably wouldn't be
00:55:03
sitting here almost 40 years later still wondering about the identity of our victim and one of the questions
00:55:11
on the website is who is currently handling this investigation and is it still active answer that they provide
00:55:20
again this would be from I believe 2017 so we're going a little little bit back here but according to the information
00:55:28
that they have on their site Captain it says the Warren County prosecutor's office is currently handling this case
00:55:34
and yes the case is active and being investigated and pursued now that would still coincide with the information that
00:55:41
we found on the Warren County prosecutor's office website and then a great question that is asked on this
00:55:49
case what forensic evidence is available and the answer that they provide is hair
00:55:55
fingernails fingerprints DNA and teeth have all been collected into evidence the DNA has been entered into the
00:56:02
Nationwide codus database one of the other questions that's interesting to me here captain and I I referenced earlier
00:56:10
that maybe this could be tied to a person who has killed other female victims is the question that says does
00:56:18
the princess do case have anything to do with the tiger lady question mark so the
00:56:24
answer is the tiger lady a is a woman who is unidentified a bangal tattoo was found
00:56:31
on her calf uh so that is how she gets this name of the nickname of tiger lady she
00:56:39
was found nearby uh I guess this is Nolton Township in 1991 now law enforcement has stated that
00:56:50
they do not believe that the cases are related but there is this strong strong suspicion because you have these two
00:56:56
victims yes found mind you 9 years apart but relatively close to one another in the same county of Warren County New
00:57:05
Jersey and we have two of them who are still unidentified I think it's pretty simple
00:57:11
to me again if we could do some DNA testing and and connect her to a family because the other problem too
00:57:20
is the person that could identify her is possibly also the person responsible for
00:57:25
her death and that's why they haven't came came forward to identify her and that is my strong belief my my strong
00:57:32
suspicion there and I think you're exactly right here Captain let's get some DNA testing some familial DNA uh
00:57:39
genealogy work detective work going on this look there's there's several agencies out there there's several of
00:57:47
these Labs out there that that can do all of this work inhouse from start to finish for you and we already referenced
00:57:54
that this case is well known you know it's it's a it it was known Nationwide HBO covered it uh America's Most Wanted
00:58:02
cover it several outlets have covered it over the years and if you want to get your name in the papers for solving a
00:58:11
big case and and pointing out that hey this is a service and a technology that we offer that we can sell to people this
00:58:18
is a great way to get your name out there and I'm hoping that there are these Labs that are coming forward and
00:58:24
offering their services to the great state of New Jersey now from the Warren County prosecutor's office website and I
00:58:33
know that this is a problem in a lot of counties we talked about this in our Sam
00:58:38
little case we talked about it in our America's Highway serial killer cases that we
00:58:45
covered four-part series but for Warren County they seem to have a bit of a problem with unidentified remains we
00:58:54
know that they have princess doe who was found July 15th 1982 in Warren County New Jersey found behind the Cedar Ridge
00:59:03
Cemetery on Highway 94 located in Blairstown New Jersey we also reference tiger lady who was recently identified
00:59:13
and this is interesting too here Captain because this is a a laboratory that's more than capable of coming up with some
00:59:21
answers in our princess do case so in July of 2021 bod Laboratories in Virginia was able to locate family
00:59:30
members of the deceased victim known as tiger lady uh using genealogy the deceased female was positively
00:59:38
identified as Wendy Lise Baker Wendy Baker traveled through multiple States prior to being found in the gravel
00:59:47
parking lot area along Route 94 in Nolton Township waren County I would like to know what states she was known
00:59:57
to have been traveling through because I I get it that it's 9 years later but is
01:00:03
that the problem that we have in identifying princess doe was she from another state could she be from one of
01:00:11
the states that Wendy Baker was known to have traveled through and then in 2017 we had some human remains that were
01:00:21
discovered by law enforcement as well this was freaky stuff here man the police responded to a call that somebody had
01:00:31
discovered a shoe that still had a foot in it so this was a woman's size seven reebox sneaker
01:00:40
that contained a grayc colored crew sock and exposed lower leg bones was recovered by the
01:00:49
uh sorry recovered May 2007 and again there's additional information on the Warren County prosecutor's
01:01:00
website but what can we do other than shine some light on this case here in the garage what what what we can do is
01:01:09
share these images with people on social media asking for help there there'll be
01:01:15
images on our website at true garage.com and also hopefully we can put some pressure on law enforcement to do
01:01:22
these tests to identify this victim and hopefully bod or somebody like bod Technologies bod Laboratories will reach
01:01:31
out to Warren County and offer their services free of charge and the captain's exactly right we need to we
01:01:39
need to share we need to view and share the images of Princess doe but what's also very important is that we view
01:01:50
share and review and share the information in princess Doe's case because again because of how badly this
01:01:58
victim was beaten we're they're kind of guessing as to what she looked like so that might be part of the problem too
01:02:06
just based off of off of looking at our victim or what she may have looked like nobody's connected any dots I think that
01:02:13
the information of the items the clothing that was found on her and where she was found the time frame all of that
01:02:22
is just as important if not might be more important in this case than the actual composite sketches of Princess
01:02:30
doe now if anybody does have any information out there again it's Warren County who is actively pursuing this
01:02:40
case so you're going to want to get in touch with the Warren County prosecutor's office and their phone
01:02:45
number is 998475 6275 or you can email at cold case at C.W warren. nj. us thank you so much for joining us here
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