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about three weeks before Abby disappeared her behavior changed drastically she would tell us she was
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going someplace or with someone and we would find out that's not where she was Abby was provoking arguments and wanted
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to move out she left and eventually ended up with my son Trevor a couple of days before Evie was reported missing
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she went to a party he texts me on Saturday October 24th that she needed to speak to me about something important
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she indicated that an individual at this house had sexually assaulted her and videotaped it there were four boys at
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the party she told me she was assaulted by one Abby was hysterical and wanted my
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husband to go to the police station with her I told Abby that I would beat her after dinner to sit tight and I'd let
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her know when I was on my way the last question I asked her was that she wanted to go file a police report and she
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stated yes I'm certain the next afternoon my stepson Trevor came by he contacted
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Abby about an hour later and she told him that she was outside his house so Trevor went out didn't see her asked her
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where she was she didn't know where she was but she knew she was with her car at
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that point Trevor told me what had happened told me have you sounded really messed
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up disoriented never heard her sound like that before come on Ollie Trevor is the last person
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in our family to speak to Abby I would like for four individuals that were at that party that evening with my daughter
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to come forward and give a formal interview with the Little Rock Police Department to either help them move
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forward in the investigation clear their name [Music] some cases we approach the story by
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starting off with the main event which may be a murder an abduction or a disappearance but in this case the
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events unfold in such a peculiar way we will just roll with the chronological approach much of the biographical
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information we are about to relay comes from a series of articles and a y magazine dedicated to this strange case
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now the trailer you just heard was taken from the dr. Phil show who has done some
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extensive coverage on this case Abbey Jane Stevic was born March 31st 1997 to Lori and Peter stetic Abby's name which
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Laurie laughingly says she borrowed from a church friend whose daughter's name was Evie her unusual name signified how
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special and unique her mother felt her child was Abby's middle name is Jane which is also her mother's middle name
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as well Lori hoped her little girl would embody a combination of her mother's traditional religious values and a
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free-spirited one-of-a-kind persona Abby's family consisted of an older brother older half-brother actually
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named Trevor and a younger sister named Harris Lori says she and Eddie's father split when Abby was just a first grader
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Lori says that the marriage was a quote bad situation but when it ended it was still abrupt and shocking to her and her
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daughters Lori went on to marry Michael Jernigan who helped bring some stability
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to this broken family teenaged Abby was known as AB ster to her family she loved
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hot pockets her dog fur ball music the beach and the color purple when she graduated from high school
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Abbey wanted to go to cosmetology school and later get her real estate license she was also interested in languages she
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studied Spanish Turkish and Hebrew Lori says Abby was always stubborn and independent when she was young she did
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not like her name and she went through phases where she would insist on being called something else Lori says Abbey
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was a homey person she liked to stay home she had friends over to her house more than she would go to their homes as
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she got older she developed into a fiercely loyal person while she was hard to get to know her friends say that once
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you broke down her walls she was selfless and generous and passionately stuck by her friend's sides
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and Abby's friend Danielle Westbrook described her as kind loyal loving courageous strong and perseverance one
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story that captures this is when her classmate this was a boy named Caleb Boyd he was apparently wrongfully
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incarcerated for having a gun on school grounds the way that this story works is
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instead of turning her back on him like so many of his other friends did right Abby took the lead in mobilizing
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students in support of Caleb she initiated a letter-writing campaign and petitioned the court and it worked
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getting Caleb released although these characteristics of Abby's were largely positives her mom says there were some
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downsides to her loyal and trusting nature Abby got hurt a lot because her strong feelings weren't always returned
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in her early high school years she was bullied and she changed schools switching to the little scholars of
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Arkansas Academy from another small private school later Abby's loyalty and stubbornness reared
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its head when her mom tried to get her to see that a few of her boyfriends and other friends were less than she
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deserved as high school progressed her independence morphed into full own rebellious nests Abby started
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breaking her parents rules and hanging out with a new crowd a group that she met at her job at Foot Locker at the
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McCain mall she had worked hard to land this job this was the summer before her senior year Abby spent most of her money
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on makeup and clothes and she started to work more and more to be around these other kids her parents didn't know
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things were exacerbated by the car the Abby got from her father Peter Lorre said it gave her daughter the feeling
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that she could go wherever she wanted to whenever she wanted to right that's a typical feeling for teens
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hey I got a car I'm out of here man mm-hmm Abby who was a very pretty girl 5 foot 2 110 pounds with blond hair and
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hazel eyes she is acting out in ways her parents do not like did not like and we
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all know this is we don't mean to give Abby a bad name this is a phase most kids go through a lot of kids go through
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they want to not be around their parents not listen to their parents and they're
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hanging out with these these other people that her parents are calling kids but let's keep in mind these are people
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that she's working with so as we go through this we are uncertain in the captain and I talked about this last
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week we are uncertain if these are in fact actually kids because it's a job so at the youngest we're probably looking
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at what 17 or 18 but very likely 19 20 maybe even 21 year old young adults now Abby
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as we said she's acting out she's lying to her parents you know not going where she says she's going hanging out with
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people that she says she will not hang out with she and her mom and stepdad continue to butt heads and things
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escalated Abby would periodically storm out to stay at her friend's home at Danielle's home but would always return
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home the next day now when Abby started her senior year in the fall of 2000 fifteen she made a decision that her
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mother would not support she switched schools this was from the Lisa Academy to Little Rock Central High which is a
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very big school she went from a small school to a very large school this was a major change for Evie who had been in a
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sheltered private school her whole life sure enough new kids she was hanging out
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with introduced her to marijuana her parents did not approve and in a heated argument in September Abby and her mom
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agreed that she should move out Lori was determined to stand firm her house her rules
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and if heavy moved out she couldn't come back Lori agreed to pay for certain things
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but Abby would largely be on her own and she would have to work quite a bit of this situation reminds us of Brianna
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Maitland the case we covered episode 254 and 255 Brianna switched schools as well and
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remember she started hanging out with the wrong crowd right eventually moving out of her parents house and working a
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lot vanishing in 2004 and unfortunately not seen since Abby didn't have much of a plan
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in fact she rotated between houses quite a bit she crashed at her older brother Trevor's home she stayed with her
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biological father Peter and with a friend Kaylie Foley so she's bouncing around from all of
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these three homes for a time and Laurie and Michael began receiving calls from Central High Abby was missing school
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they decided not to confront her about this she is still in school but technically she is an adult at this time
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right sometime around mid-october Abby showed up at Danielle's place asking to stay there for a while the two shared
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Danielle's room listening to music and they went out on long drives but since they went to different schools
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Danielle was never really sure what F was doing if she was not at the home yeah it seems like she had to do a lot
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of work to figure out where she was gonna stay so it'd be a lot more work on top of
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that to figure out how you're gonna get from this random spot that you're staying at to school on the morning of
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Wednesday October 21st Abbie was supposed to drive Danielle to school on her way to school after
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Danielle's doctor's appointment Danielle texts Abby that her appointment was running late telling Abby to go on
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without her Abby text back saying no it's not a big deal at all I swear I didn't want to go
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to school today anyway because of all that drama Danielle does not know what drama
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Abby was referring to Abby never ended up going to school that day it's unclear how many days she missed but she and
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Danielle went to services at the Assembly of God Church in Little Rock that evening Thursday and Friday
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I don't know if EBI went to school I could not find anything that stated that she did so we can only guess that what
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the drama was and if she was still avoiding school because of it but on Friday night October 23rd we do know
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that Abby went to a party Danielle did not go with her because she did not know the other people attending this party
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right we don't know if these were kids from Central High School or people that Abby was working with at Foot Locker or
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others but it was some group that she was hanging out with at this time this will be easy to understand why we don't
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know who this is in just a quick bit on Saturday October 24th Abby told Danielle
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that her brother Trevor was worried because she hadn't been to his place all week long so she needed to go over there
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and see him the friends agreed to see each other on Sunday at the church ice cream social so Abby went to her brother
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Trevor's place and then she went to her grandparents house this is Peggy and Bill Holman Abby was close with them and
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loved staying at their house Abby spent the day sleeping and watching her favorite show spongebob
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she had dinner with her grand parents and they went out for TCBY around 7 p.m. and around 8 p.m. she was
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gonna be leaving her grandparents telling them that she's gonna go hang out with her stepfather
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she tells her grandparents that she does plan to return to their home for that night and asking them not to lock the
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doors the holmen's never saw her again and when they tried calling her later that
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evening before going to bed there was no answer it turns out that that same night
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around 7:50 p.m. Abby had begun texting her stepfather that she wanted him to bring her to the police station so she
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could report an incident that happened at the party the night before she told him that she was the victim of a sexual
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assault and for males were involved one guy had sexually assaulted her and he also videotaped the whole event it's
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unclear what the role of the other three boys was but it was implied that they were also complicit somehow Abby story
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is backed up by some text that she sent on the morning of Saturday October 24th this is to a friend named gage Fulton
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here's the conversation that gage later had with Monty Vickers a private investigator on the case describing the
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text between him and Abby he says Abby says I was hanging out with some dudes last night and we smoked and I had sex
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with one of them and he effing recorded me mm-hmm she says this was when she wasn't looking
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Vickers asked gage did she tell you that she was raped - which gage replies says
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she said she felt forced into it her last text message to me is saying I am going to kill myself well it seems like
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they were drinking out this party possibly these guys are older we don't know I think we both kind of assumed
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that that that these are probably more likely people from footlocker than her high school you
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or friends of footlocker friends yeah so it seems to me that maybe she felt pressured or whatever but anyway she
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ends up having sex with this individual then he tapes it or films it without her
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knowledge right and he's probably sharing this with the other guys at the party and that's probably why she is
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saying that they're involved in some way yeah in in we say the word sex but we're
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using that very vaguely well those are also her words yeah but we have her telling gage that she said she felt
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forced right right so now we do know that Abby did not kill herself instead she began texting her stepfather
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while he was eating dinner that night Abby requested that Michael not tell her mother she had already called the police
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but didn't feel that she had received any good advice on what to do right so Abby felt it would be better if she went
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to the police station in person and she wanted her stepfather to go with her the
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two agreed to meet around 8:00 p.m. at the holmen's and head down to the station together but we do know that
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Abby left the Homans house before Michael arrived and the grandparents told Michael that they were under the
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impression that she had gone to meet him she was never seen again now Michael fears that she may have
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decided to try to confront one of the boys or all of the boys at the party about this incident by herself right and
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he says probably to try to get a hold of the video according to Laurie Abby's cell phone records indicate the EBI made
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two calls to the Little Rock Police Department that night around 7:30 p.m. and each only lasted about a minute but
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the Little Rock Police Department has said they have no record of those calls okay right right so the but but Abby's
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mom does so we know that they happened right Abby's phone records also show that she continued to open and read text
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messages until the night of Sunday octo were 25th unfortunately boy wait say that again well the phone records show
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that and I have here in my notes that she indicating a B but I think what we should be clear on is we don't know who
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was opening right and reading text messages but somebody was until Sunday of October 25th right it's clear to me
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that that we have Lori her mother believes it to be Abby but as as we just stated we don't know her heart no I
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think what happened is she goes missing and somebody is going through her phone to try to clear some evidence I think
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that's what it is well and nobody knows where she spent that Saturday night right I mean she could already be in
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danger as you just said now the family started to be worried when no one heard from her by the next morning right we
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got to keep some things in mind here there's a lot going on and there's a lot going on in this phase of eby's life as
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we already stated she's not always honest about where she is who she's hanging out with and there were times
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even before moving out that she would leave in an argument and go stay somewhere and then come back the next
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morning one the difficult thing is that she is 18 so technically she says I have
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to be honest about where she's gone yeah so you have like really mixed emotions and thoughts and feelings by her family
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right now where she didn't show up to meet her stepdad she tells her grandparents that she left to see the
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stepdad he shows up at their door and they're like what are you doing here right but at the same time you got these
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concerns but you also have a history of somebody running out for the night right
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and not being where they're supposed to be they say that they tried calling and texting Abby and all of those texts were
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it's according to her phone records state that they were read by somebody mm-hmm they weren't responded to finally
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around 5:30 p.m. on Sunday the 25th Abby's brother Trevor got a phone call from her
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she did not sound like herself he said she sounded panicked and disoriented Abby told him that she was in her car
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parked outside of his house so he hangs up the phone he goes outside to meet her
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but she is not there there's no sign of her or her car mm-hmm he calls her back and asked you know where are you she
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said she was in her car but did not know where she was and she could not tell him
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who she was with the last thing she said was I'm [ __ ] up after four minutes of
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back-and-forth with a beam OTT making any sense at all and not giving him any information she hung up the phone and no
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one has ever heard from her again her phone started going to voicemail on Sunday night when Abby hadn't turned up
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at her grandparents home and after that worrisome phone conversation with Trevor
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her family started actively looking for her searching the neighborhood and calling around to her friends Abby's
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sister texted Danielle asking if Abby was at her place Danielle who was at the ice cream social said she had planned to
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attend with Abby right but obviously if he's not there correct and now Danielle is joining in
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the hunt as well she starts calling and texting Abby's phone she starts calling other friends to see if anyone knew
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where she could be when she got no response from Abby Danielle started driving around looking for EBI and
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places she knew her friend would frequent but all of this effort nobody would find anything
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/ garage [Music] all right we're back cheers mates we are back after that strange phone call
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Abby's brother called the police to report her missing but he received the typical runaround that we've seen in so
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many other cases it's all it almost seems just in a terrible way it almost seems funny to even say it because we've
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repeated it so many times right throughout these different cases now this one is a little different this
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response is a little different than we've heard in the past and maybe it's some form of progress I don't know
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captain you beat the the decider there but he's told that they need to wait 12 hours before filing a report nope
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there's no there's nothing a little bit of a shorter time period most of time we
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hear less of a b24 we've heard 36 hours here they want 12 so Lori her mother says the second that the clock hit the
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12 hour mark she called the police she called back to the Little Rock Police Department rain a police officer came to
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the house on Monday to speak with the family and fill out a missing-persons report
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but the Little Rock Police Department did not seem too interested in the missing persons case they seemed to give
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Lori's concern about her daughter very little wait and took a perfunctory report without much follow-up at all
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yeah now in the cops defense I I really want to know how many times do they get calls where they're getting called backs
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within minutes hey we can't find my son can't find my daughter and then five minutes later
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they're going up sorry we found them well we do know that that is the case most of the time and the other thing too
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look we'll go down this road because you you started us down the road in this particular situation I can kind of see
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it from that perspective of oh we just have some people that are overreacting and they want to file a
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report but yet the person that they're trying to report missing they've already told me she's hanging out with the wrong
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crowd she leaves and doesn't come home some nights she's a dull she's an adult she's living
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elsewhere and we don't really know where she's living so III go ahead no yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
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the thing that I always drives me nuts though is when they go well there are adult and they have the right to go
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missing and I would just say that that look I understand people have the right to go missing but the person that is you
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know the person that has the right to go missing that normally goes missing there
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probably is some conflict with the family so the family is not going to be calling for a while right yeah I mean
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but when a family is calling going hey we can't find our son or daughter and the cops go well they're our adult they
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have the right yeah we know that they have the right but this is at a character and and and I think the cops
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need to take that more serious it's out of character and then here's the other thing too that that yes and I'm gonna be
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my own devil's advocate here where I say that I understand this from the cops perspective where they're saying here's
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this this 18 year old who doesn't come home some nights lives elsewhere couchsurfing basically right but then
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here's the other time the other thing you got to consider that's all been going on for a while and they've never
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called the police before right so very likely this is very different than any of those other times and and maybe they
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are not overreacting at all maybe they are reacting appropriately and we need to step in and get involved in this
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though again this is also in a day and age where we're very connected so if you're not getting a hold of somebody it
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becomes spooky pretty quickly now to put it in its shortest form possible the jernigan x' did not feel that the police
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were treating their missing daughter's case with an appropriate sense of urgency
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on October 30th the Little Rock Police Department this is lieutenant Steve McHale Han
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he's the media spokesperson for the police department he told the media that there was no immediate danger in Emmys
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case and she was likely missing because she wanted to be then Little Rock's Channel 7 News reported that police
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found surveillance footage showing Abby's car traveling on Cantrell Road in West Little Rock sometime shortly after
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she went missing while this report aired at the end of the week whenever disappeared there was no
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indication of when the footage of the car had been taken right so it's on TV but we don't know exactly when that
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footage was taken it turned out it was most likely sometime that weekend the crucial time period in which Abby did
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vanish shallow mount park is a neighborhood park there's a pool there and a playground it's maintained and
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operated by the large Chanel Valley homeowners association a sign at the entrance of the park reads private for
00:34:37
residents only it is in a very upscale area of West Little Rock near Joe Robinson High School another large High
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School in the city on route 10 in order to get to the private neighborhood park drivers have to take one of two access
00:34:56
roads one of these is shallow Mont Drive which becomes North field drive and takes drivers out to Chanel Parkway by
00:35:05
the Walmart Supercenter the other way takes drivers on Shah Lamont Drive to Cantrell Road which is route 10 a
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security guard named guy Hooper who was employed by the Neighborhood Association
00:35:20
to patrol the park he called the Little Rock Police Department on the night of October 28th he was calling to report an
00:35:30
abandoned vehicle parked in the parking lot of the park police took a report but didn't make it over to the park
00:35:39
until October 30th two days later Wow so I want you to keep in mind how this whole thing went down
00:35:48
this this man guy Hooper he's a security officer he calls in this abandoned vehicle and then he waits for police for
00:35:57
a couple of hours and they don't show up they don't respond the entire time to which he's like alright I'll be back
00:36:03
again tomorrow to patrol again right I believe he actually called the following day as well and then again
00:36:10
waited another hour too but as said it was two days later before anyone showed up to take a look at this vehicle Wow
00:36:19
and just to go back to the hole we don't believe that she's in danger we think that she went missing on her own like we
00:36:28
have a couple points of evidence to make him believe not that one she's basically
00:36:34
saying that there was a sexual assault that happened to me and I want to report it I called your police station multiple
00:36:40
times I'm making arrangements to go down there so we should take that serious and
00:36:45
then the remarks that she made to her friend saying well I'll kill myself now and maybe that is just you know it was
00:36:53
just a figure of speech and it wasn't something that she was actually going to do but just that in itself means that
00:37:00
she's in possibly in danger of harming herself hmm and so we should take this more serious it seems it's just like a
00:37:07
load of horseshit well once they finally went down there to investigate this abandoned vehicle what they found was
00:37:17
Abby's silver 2003 volkswagen passat Arkansas plate 137 ufm parked in the parking lot and it had been there since
00:37:29
the night of October 25th this is according to the security office okay so the 25th that's the Sunday that's the
00:37:36
same night that she spoke with Trevor on the phone yes that's Sunday okay the car
00:37:43
keys were still in the ignition the vehicle was out of gas and the battery was dead
00:37:49
even more disturbing were the contents of the vehicle which included her contact lenses her wallet and her cell
00:37:57
phone all of which were sitting on the front seat now really truly what they find there keep
00:38:04
in mind she's moving around from house to house at that time staying a little bit with her brother a little bit with
00:38:09
her biological father and then a friend or two they're gonna find not only just these
00:38:15
items but they're gonna find basically all of her possessions that travel along with her from house to house in this car
00:38:22
yeah her car becomes basically her storage unit yeah now these items are of importance because Lori later said that
00:38:31
Abby couldn't see without her contacts and she would never ever not take her phone somewhere with her she Lori says
00:38:39
this was Eddie's lifeline to her family and I'll keep in mind living with she's not living with her family but she's
00:38:46
still close with them and the fact that all of Abby's makeup was still sitting in the vehicle as well that Lori says
00:38:54
was the clincher for her she immediately knew that something was wrong something
00:39:01
bad had happened now let's take our own little investigation into this vehicle to
00:39:07
captain what did we say here we got the the car keys still in the ignition bad sign we got the automobile out of gas
00:39:15
and the battery was dead that to me suggests that somebody left the vehicle running right in that parking spot and
00:39:24
we do know that it was there since that what did we say Sunday the 25th and they're not there looking at it and so
00:39:31
October 30th that's it I get abandoned vehicles I don't get having these types of possessions being
00:39:40
found inside the vehicle in plain sight one two vehicle out of gas and the battery's dead keys in it somebody left
00:39:48
that vehicle running this is very strange stuff yeah now upon finding the car Little Rock police called Abby's
00:39:56
father Peter this is her biological father his name is on the car registration it was he who notified his ex-wife
00:40:06
Laurie the eby's car had turned up police apparently failed to notice that the name of a missing young woman was
00:40:16
also on that registration and her license was in the vehicle while they were searching the car they left the
00:40:25
trunk open makes you wonder did they fail to notice this or they're choosing you know
00:40:32
because they're choosing not to look for somebody that we know that possibly is in danger or we know they're choosing
00:40:39
not to show up and take this report we know they're choosing not to go investigate this car for two days it's
00:40:48
ridiculous well and keep in mind a couple things if the security officer had called multiple
00:40:54
times to report an abandoned vehicle yeah the responding officer does not know I mean they may know that somebody
00:41:04
is missing or has been around but but very likely not because like we said the the missing persons report is filed it's
00:41:12
probably handed off to a detective by then and if they are not showing an actual concern for this missing
00:41:18
individual the responding officer to this abandoned vehicle can't put two and two together
00:41:23
right because he doesn't have enough information to do so so it's not until he calls the father that's on the
00:41:30
registration father calls mom hey they found our vehicle there it's gonna take Abby's family to bring it back around to
00:41:38
police and say look our daughter is missing and now you found her vehicle yeah with all our stuff in it right I
00:41:44
mean look we all know that teenagers are connected to their phones that that to me is a huge red flag and again like you
00:41:52
said the battery being dead no gas and the keys in the ignition hmm while they were searching the car the
00:42:01
officers left the trunk open and a rainstorm soaked many of Abby's belongings Channel 7 News reported that
00:42:10
there appeared to be no sign of a struggle inside or outside of the vehicle and it was found abandoned since Abby's
00:42:18
disappearance her mother has worked non-stop to keep her daughter's case in the public eye and in the active case
00:42:26
files on detectives desk but it hasn't been easy in fact at times it has been almost
00:42:32
impossible this is because the people who were supposed to help her and help her family who made a pledge to protect
00:42:40
and serve they failed on this investigation for months the Jernigan family says the Abby's car was the
00:42:49
subject of phone calls to the Little Rock Police Department not only from guy Hooper but several neighbors in the area
00:42:58
who called about the car that week well before police officers finally acted on the tip if the department had not
00:43:06
ignored these calls the trail would have been a lot fresher and even after they finally pieced together that the car and
00:43:15
the missing young woman were connected the police department dropped the ball the family got the runaround as to who
00:43:22
was in charge of this investigation police never contacted people that were suspected of being at the party Danielle
00:43:31
or any of Abby's other friends were not contacted the security guard who found the vehicle was not contacted no it took
00:43:41
them weeks to getting around to pinging Abby's phone to see where it had been and when they did they initially pinged
00:43:49
the wrong phone number so yeah let me take you through this horror story well I mean let's just reiterate the fact
00:43:57
that they opened they left the trunk open right what are ya [ __ ] hey I mean come on
00:44:05
it's a in what's the number one thing that we've seen time and time again one of the worst things for evidence is
00:44:12
water yeah and you just leave the trunk open right this is a crime scene or possibly
00:44:20
a crime scene mm-hmm and you don't know either way so you should protect it but you're too lazy or stupid or both or
00:44:32
both I guess there's gues there's another option nobody's ever wearing a shirt that says
00:44:39
I'm lazy and stupid we're gonna make we're gonna make sure that stupid for those of you who are proud yeah of
00:44:46
yourself so that trunk open here's something I put my bike in it let me take you through this horror story this
00:44:54
is about the pinging the her phone but it ends up being the wrong phone number all right so they ping her phone what is
00:45:03
believed to be Abby's phone yeah and police tell her mother and stepfather we've pinged the phone it's
00:45:14
it's coming from a location out about 45 minutes drive from your home so kind of
00:45:20
out away from the city and it's coming from a field out there listen to this I mean this is not sounding good right
00:45:30
your daughter's missing you start phone is pinging from a F field kind of out in
00:45:36
the middle of the country you start thinking that's possibly where her body is that's where we're going to
00:45:41
find her mm-hmm but then you're gone oh how did their phone get back to the car right right and that's I guess I'm a
00:45:50
little unclear on that captain what they're saying is that when they trace these pings around the time that she
00:45:56
went missing they had the phone pinging out in this other location now as you said though that's when the
00:46:04
parents are like oh my god we might find her body out in that field right and this is awful look if I'm the
00:46:11
investigator even if I ping the wrong phone right mm-hmm even if I'm a freaking [ __ ] captain
00:46:22
[ __ ] pants right and I'm hanging the wrong phone and then I know that the phone ended up at the car before I tell
00:46:31
anybody I am going and searching that field myself or double-checking the ping information right but I'm starting I'm
00:46:40
starting with I'm a dumbass right III ping the wrong phone but either way I made a mistake right but I'm going to be
00:46:49
a good detective a good investigator and before I tell the parents and freak them
00:46:55
the freak out I am gonna go check that field and then I'm gonna present the information but my maybe by checking the
00:47:04
field and finding nothing mm-hmm I would then double check did I get the number right mmm yeah
00:47:12
they're looking for ping information that would have taken place around the time that she was trying to call her
00:47:18
brother that she spoke to Trevor right right so unfortunately they figure out law enforcement figures out that they
00:47:27
were pinging the wrong number I bet they didn't even figure that I bet somebody in our family figured that out well
00:47:34
they I believe it was a couple of days before they told the family oh we were paying the wrong number when
00:47:42
they finally pinged the correct number it did turn out that Abby was or the phone was in Charlemont Park when she
00:47:50
did in fact call Trevor right now the Little Rock Police Department also claimed to be unable to access Abby's
00:47:58
social media this is a part of the story that I really you know we're talking about things that the law enforcement
00:48:07
screwed up on that they messed up on that they dropped the ball right this one is is just a small part of the story
00:48:13
but truly I feel like this is where they missed the bus the most because we we have rumor of this video that might have
00:48:23
been on somebody's phone we have stalks and gauge coming forward saying that I trade text messages with her we know
00:48:32
that she or somebody was opening and reading text messages on her phone on that Sunday right so I really feel like
00:48:40
and especially given her age that this social media stuff could have really helped the investigation especially in
00:48:47
the early stages of the investigation what's going on here is they're telling the family we'd
00:48:54
know how to access these social media accounts we do not know how to get in there and do a little spy work and
00:49:01
figure out what was going on who she was talking to his word to stupid well and then on top of that what would be really
00:49:09
key here is to figure out where in fact she was going when she says that she was
00:49:13
going to meet her stepfather because we know from the stepfather right that's not the case he says I was going to meet
00:49:19
her here and now she's gone right so that could have really helped the early stages of the investigation why and she
00:49:27
at the park well at the very least let's say she communicated with four or five other people after she left her
00:49:33
grandparents house you need that trail of breadcrumbs but you need to follow the breadcrumbs to get you from person a
00:49:40
to person B to C and D until you get to the actual last person that spoke with her or had interaction with her so you
00:49:47
can figure out her location yeah by get to see the detectives the whole time on this case again
00:49:54
all right well we checked her we checked her phone this is the the detectives talking to the family we checked her
00:50:02
phone what's her name again hmm you know I mean that's that's kind of work they're doing
00:50:09
where's now yeah we we saw her car what's her name again yeah have you heard from her like no do
00:50:17
some work here now Laurie did try to assist the investigators as much as she possibly could regarding her missing
00:50:23
daughter's case she was the one that spent the the man-hours putting together Abby's phone records she got as much as
00:50:32
she could from her social media accounts and she passed all of this on to the detectives and unfortunately she says at
00:50:42
one point in this investigation when she is in there answering questions and talking with detectives she's saying the
00:50:51
detective seemed proud to tell her we have we've collected all this information we have tons of evidence we
00:50:58
have all this information regarding your missing daughter and he had it in the room with them right and Laurie says she
00:51:07
looked at all this information that he says he has and that has collected and she says
00:51:14
unfortunately this was everything this guy had she provided to him she provided this information so why he seemed proud
00:51:25
to have that information makes absolutely no sense at all stupid or lazy what's going on behind the scenes
00:51:32
yeah is the trouble of having Abby and the family come forward stating two things one Abby's intention was to meet
00:51:42
her stepfather at some point that evening her family saying the stepfather was going to meet Abby some point that
00:51:48
evening yeah those things are now working against Abby's family in this investigation because now the way that
00:51:57
they're working this investigation they're suspicious of the stepfather of course they want to know if if in fact
00:52:04
he was the last person to see her and what was really going on behind the scenes there yeah yeah basically if
00:52:12
they're basically believing that he is the murderer now mind you they wouldn't state in the beginning that this was a
00:52:20
real missing persons case to begin with now all of a sudden they're saying oh we
00:52:25
think that she disappeared because you made her disappear right and this whatever this theory is or how they ever
00:52:32
came up with this theory other than knowing that he might have been the last person that she intended to meet with
00:52:38
they're now using this as a theory and they're what they're claiming when they speak with the family is you're lying to
00:52:46
us you're you're you are telling us a different story because you're trying to cover up what truly happened to your
00:52:53
daughter when in reality what we have is a family who's trying to be actively involved in
00:53:00
an investigation that would not be moving forward without them yeah it's very difficult because we were talking
00:53:08
about this before I think on off the record where I do not like the idea when detectives say it's not my job to come
00:53:18
up with theories it's it's my job to collect the evidence and for the evidence to tell me what's
00:53:25
happening now now hold on a second I understand you're saying that because you want to seem like you're smart and
00:53:31
level-headed but the truth of the matter is that you have to collect evidence and
00:53:36
along the way you have to create different theories multiple theories based off of the evidence you're seeing
00:53:43
yeah based off the evidence but also may be based off evidence you don't have yet
00:53:48
and you have to come up with multiple theories and then you have to go down those rabbit holes and and let the
00:53:55
evidence tell you if that theory is true or not in this case they come up with this theory that makes zero sense
00:54:03
because what we have what we have evidence of is this young woman making calls to the police saying that she was
00:54:13
sexually assaulted again I am sick and tired of let's just look the justice system doesn't take these claims serious
00:54:24
enough that's why she called the police department multiple times they should be
00:54:29
saying you were sexually assaulted come down to the station now we need to take this serious and then she's making
00:54:36
claims to her friends and now she's telling her stepfather now again we should take these claims serious because
00:54:43
not only is she stepping up to the plate which is so hard for these women to do but she's stepping up to the plate to
00:54:50
talk to police the police officers and law enforcement mm-hmm and that's frightening and again
00:54:58
she's a young woman and it's frightening to have to tell your stepfather frightening embarrassing whatever words
00:55:06
you want to use this is not somebody that you know that it's as frustrating and well super frustrating for a
00:55:18
multitude of reasons but also frustrating in the sense that you're telling the family that we don't want to
00:55:27
work with you because we think you're covering something up but you right but even though his wife even if that is
00:55:33
their theory and it doesn't appear that they were even investigating or working on
00:55:37
building a case around that theory there were they just weren't doing anything and having the excuse that the
00:55:44
stepfather is a suspect was just that an excuse to not do anything to just sit on
00:55:49
our hands and not have to do anything when we already know that you had this great lead of there was something that
00:55:57
went down at that party that might have been a major ordeal and it happened very
00:56:03
shortly before she went missing that's a frickin lead yeah now now I wouldn't I want to blame her so much if if they if
00:56:13
the sexual assault charges were against the stepfather then you go okay well a to B we're looking into this guy but
00:56:22
that's not who the allegations were against it was about this party and I'm surprised these morons didn't turn to
00:56:30
the stepfathers wife Eddie's mother and say collect evidence against him could you collected evidence on everything
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