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found a human skull oh my gosh I know uh we got a is it a meter reader yes I'm gonna let you speak right now with the
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representative from our Field Services facilities hi I mean uh everything is recorded here he is how are you doing uh
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skull of a Disney please is human what's the location it's right off of suburban
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and check us out on the Kelly Anthony area right by the oh um do you have a specific address for me
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or not no it's right by the school if you take it easy Suburban in Golden month what suburban
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and Chickasaw Chickasaw I'm sorry yeah and the school is right there I can't think of the name of the school it just
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go right straight down a dead ends right into the woods it'll be on the east side
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of uh Chickasaw Suburban um outside of Chickasaw and what is your um party's name that we're gonna meet
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with [Music] yeah and I'll just tell him to stay at that location and just stay away from
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everything okay um and if you can try to stress for him to please not draw attention to the area
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[Music] you heard at the end of yesterday's show an interview that took place just two
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days before this 9-1-1 call now this 9-1-1 call is from a man named Roy Cronk this took place on December 11 2008. Roy
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went into the woods off of suburban drive and he found something and he poked at it and then he calls his
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supervisor who in turns calls 9-1-1 because Roy had found a skull police rope off the scene the medical
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examiner her name is Jan garavala uh Fami Malek no thank God not in this case for those of you who watch True Crime
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shows she is better known as Dr G medical examiner um I don't know if her show is current
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I've seen it a few times but she did have a show called Dr G medical examiner but this Falls in her jurisdiction Dr G
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describes the crime scene as such that a body was placed in a wooded area about 20 feet off of the road now there are a
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lot of plants and weeds and trees in this area but in this spot they find two tangled up and torn up black trash bags
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that are grouped with this large gray canvas bag she says there are some bones that were in the bag there are also some
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bones that were scattered amongst the vegetation and then next to that there is the skull that Roy had seen it's
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obvious to police when they show up and they start canvassing the area that they're probably looking at the remains
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of a child and then and this is also in the vicinity of the Anthony household yes it's approximately a quarter mile
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from the Anthony household now this case could not get any stranger but here here's one very strange thing about this
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case Roy Cronk had actually reported seeing something suspicious at this very same location on several other occasions
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now it's been reported that he has called this in twice before and it's also been reported that he's called it
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in three times before I was unable to to verify which is the most interesting but
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when you say that he's called this in three times we're talking about this particular skull he's he's stating that
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he has called in that there was something suspicious in the woods and I'll kind of take you through that on
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the first occasion Kronk said says that he was there with co-workers now Kronk is a meter reader and he and two other
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meter readers had finished their checks early on that day big shout out to all the media readers out there had had some
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buddies that did that job for a long time well and I don't know how this works but they basically say that they
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finished the day a lot earlier than expected and rather than going back to whatever facility that they work out of
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they decided to take a bit of a break and just kind of hang out in this section now if you look at where this
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body was found on a Google map um it's you you basically have a big neighborhood and then you have this road
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this is Suburban road that that comes from behind the kind of behind the neighborhood there and it kind of goes
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off into this dead end area so it would be an easy spot for people to kind of just hang out in in you know yeah you'll
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shoot the breeze after work well you see this a lot with like housing developments there's a road that's a
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dead end that's really going to probably lead to more development down the line because that's kind of what what I'm
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assuming I'm looking at yeah yeah and so the three of them decide to hang out there they say they're there for about
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an hour or so just you know chit chatting and smoking cigarettes and such uh while hanging out Roy Cronk goes off
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to relieve himself uh peeing in the woods basically he says that he tells his co-workers that he thinks he saw
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either a bone or a skull in in this wooded area so he he goes over and he tells his friends about this well the
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three of them walk back to this location so that Crown can point out the skull or
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the bones that he thought that he saw before you know and what ends up happening is they spot a rather large
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dead snake I think it was like four or five foot long snake that you saw there and well this distracts the three men
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totally live in Florida this distracts the three men because then they're kind of check checking out this this snake
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and I don't know if if Roy got confused if he thought you know well maybe part of the bone that I saw or
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whatever white object I saw was just part of the snake but what ends up happening is we know that we can verify
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some of Roy's story here because of two situations first off the men with their cell phones start taking pictures of the
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snake and they show these to other co-workers you know that later that day or the next day so they leave the spot
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that day right well Roy Cronk late that night he decides to call the sheriff's department and Report what he has seen
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in the woods so they dispatch an officer out to the area but we got to keep in mind it's it's very dark out now and
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this is a wooded area the officer looks around and does not see bones or a skull
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or anything no remains at all and keep in mind we also have a situation where Roy Cronk is not there to point this
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object out to the officer he calls it in the officer go goes out checks the area
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nothing is found so that's his first call or first attempt what was his second attempt well one thing I want to
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point out here Captain is we heard on that 9-1-1 call when they're calling in this body and it you heard that a bit of
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confusion between the caller and the the dispatcher of you know kind of pinpointing this location so my guess is
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that just like we said with with it being dark out and without Roy being there there's she probably the officer
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and her defense was probably just looking in the wrong location I don't think that that somebody wasn't doing
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their job they just didn't know the right location to look now what ends up happening though after Roy follows up
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you know he wants to know what did you find anything right and he is told that you know what you should do we're gonna
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you should call this in again uh but make sure you call it in when it's still light outside so we can get an officer
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over there to look around and find the exact location and take a look at what you think you have seen or past possibly
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meet the officer out there yeah so I believe it's the next day that Roy Cronk he then calls it in again and this is
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right after his work shift um and at this point an officer meets Cronk at the location
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but what happens here Captain is this is this is Accord according to Roy Cronk he
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states that the officer seemed agitated that the officer didn't seem very thrilled about the whole call itself he
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said it was raining that day and he didn't know if it was because of the story about the snake he told the
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officer we saw this giant snake that was dead there can't blame him for that he says that he he didn't get the vibe that
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the officer wanted to go into the woods again it could have been the rain could have been the snake whatever but but
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what ends up happening he's just having a bad day right well what ends up happening according to Roy Cronk is that
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the officer does go into the woods he's in there for a brief amount of time he comes out he's fairly rude to Roy and
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tells him that he's mistaken he's seen nothing there's nothing there and then the officer goes about his business now
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later we would learn that there was a different story from the officer the the officer says that the two of of them
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went into the woods together and all he found was a what he described as a bag containing
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um like debris like like lawn clippings and leaves and things of that nature um the situation here though is
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nothing is found all of this takes place in August of 2008 in August the bodies found in December of 2008. so it's not
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until December 11th that a third or fourth call is placed to law enforcement and that's when they go out and find the
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remains that that very same day well this is you know like we said this is huge news all over the country and
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especially in this area this is huge right so you got this meter reader that's out in that neighborhood probably
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often tells you hey look I saw a skull I don't know if it was human or not come check it out and then nobody kind
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of really follows up and people are still talking about this missing girl they probably weighed on him
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and so then he was like well I gotta go back out and look again for myself yeah we're gonna find it and and I applaud
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him you know because if if he didn't do that if he wanted to put the extra effort in uh maybe never found well you
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know what I'm wondering too is it maybe he thought all right two officers have been to the location they tell me that
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I'm mistaken does he just take their word you know what I mean and that maybe is why so much time elapsed between the
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actual Discovery does he just say well I called it in twice and and nobody nobody
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saw what I saw and then you know how these meter readers work they're not in the same neighborhood every day of the
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week right he was probably out there a few months later and thought to himself you know what I'm still convinced I saw
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something over there oh yeah you saw what you saw he goes into the woods he says to relieve himself I I actually
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think he went into the woods looking for what he thinks that he saw now he would
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come under some speculation because what comes out very quickly in this situation
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is you know there's a lot of pushback from the community on to law enforcement they're saying well this was called in
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three times at least there was definitely a ball drop and and there was there was this body that was
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found there how do you miss that and I don't know if this was leaked from the law enforcement angle or if this was
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just something in the media but there was some speculation that maybe Roy Cronk had this information and because
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there was this growing reward that maybe he sat on this information as the reward
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grew I personally don't think that that's the situation I think he saw something in the woods he was convinced
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of it he was talked out of it by law enforcement because I don't think they did anything wrong I think they just
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they didn't see what he saw and he happened to be back in the neighborhood and he decided I'll tell them that I
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went in there to relieve myself but I'm actually back there looking for what I what I'm pretty convinced that I saw
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and did you see I mean you saw a video of him at the trial right correct I mean I to me he comes across as a very
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stand-up guy I don't know much about him but his story is very believable to me now what what we end up finding here is
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the the situation is this that it's a crime scene yes and Dr G states that uh she believes that animals had moved some
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of the bones um they discovered that there is no tissue at all on this on this body on
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the remains it's completely uh decomposed uh the thing with that is this is going to make it very hard to
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determine the cause of death because the body sat there for six months so the other situation is the jaw bone is still
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connected to the skull which normally would not happen usually once all that soft tissue it has has decayed from the
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body uh the the jaw bone would drop off the situation here though is they discover duct tape that is still holding
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basically the jaw bone to the skull now again like we said because of the level of decomposition that has taken
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place it's very hard to determine the cause of death right so we have a Skeletor remain
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skeleton skeleton remain Skeletor what is this he's a bad villain no so we have a skeleton remain we have this bag this
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uh canvas type bag uh we have black trash bags found at the scene and we have duct tape
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which is over the skeleton's mouth holding the jaw in place that's what we have correct and so they are unable to
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determine the cause of death because of the level of decomposition however they do rule the death a homicide well
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something because let's be clear the the size of the skeleton is is the size of a
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a child and so you know however it however the child died by having the skeleton just sitting out in the middle
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of nowhere that's but that's all the proof you need to know that there's this is homicide well thank you for saying
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that because some people have had a big problem with this stating that if if you
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can't determine the cause of death how can you rule at a homicide and it's exactly as you said we have we have a
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body that was concealed that somebody put it there so that people may not find it or that a certain amount of time
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would elapsed before it was found the other thing that we know is that we have the trash bags we have the canvas bag
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and the duct tape all things that you probably shouldn't be finding with a body that that would have an accidental
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death so again this is furthermore you know it takes eight days but after DNA testing on the 19th they reveal that
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this is in fact the body of the little missing girl Kaylee Anthony so it's very sad so on top of that you have more
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cause to believe that it's a homicide because you have a girl that went missing was not reported as such for an
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extended period of 31 days and then she's been missing for six months before they find her body it's pretty obvious
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to me this has got homicide written all over yeah this is kind of no duh so now we've found the body of the missing
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little girl right and it's been identified as Kaylee Anthony and we have this situation we already know that
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Casey the mother is currently in jail at this time right and the scroll suspected
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of the murder of her daughter because the daughter had not been found now the situation is this the body is found a
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quarter of a mile from their home it's you could pull out of their driveway and you would go down the street make a
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right-hand turn and basically you could pull something out of your trunk and walk it 20 feet into the woods and
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that's that's the body that's how it would take you three to five minutes to to do that act and then to return home
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you could do this under the cover of night and probably nobody would see you again if you look at the way that this
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is situated on on a map here there's not any reason for there to be traffic going
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through this location there's not houses back there that I could see um right or if you wanted to you know
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walk it down yourself take you probably five to ten minutes the thing here is so
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now we got this mother who looks she's already looked guilty even with your little troll legs you can do it in five
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to ten minutes she's already looked guilty before the body's found now she's looking especially guilty and we have a
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situation where we have her parents visiting her in jail and in talking with her and you know I what is there's one
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famous clip out there where there there's some interaction between her and her mother and it doesn't Cindy say
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something she kind of starts off the conversation by saying uh we miss you uh we we forgive you we believe you yeah
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she says I uh I forgive uh we forgive everything you said and we forgive anything that you you did you did and
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this must be shortly after this body is found or at least identified as Kaylee Anthony
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mm-hmm yeah that's roughly around that time but a very strange interaction between the two of them and it's almost
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like you know I really get the feeling that Cindy was hanging on to hope that that
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this really wasn't happening that this whole this whole reality show that's taking place on the news that's about
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her daughter and her granddaughter that it might not really be happening or that
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maybe maybe Kaylee is out there somewhere and she's safe she's holding on to Hope or is she holding on to the
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hope that her daughter's not guilty of such a horrible crime well no I think if you look if you look back two days
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before the body's found she's sitting there saying hey look you know Nancy Grace is condemning my you know has
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already convicted my daughter this is his mom top mom well top mom um anyways she's convicted her already
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and the truth is going to come out when Kaylee comes home and guess what your granddaughter's dead and I'm sorry
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but your you the spawn of you your daughter is most likely guilty of that right and that has to hit you pretty quick as
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parents and you know especially for these are not normal grandparents right oh they're not no no they're not they're
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not normal in the sense well I mean some of the stuff they say is just crazy but
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they're not normal in the sense that that these were more Kaylee's parents than they were grandparents yes you know
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I see what you're saying there this child lived with them right this child lived with them every day
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you know the mother of this child Casey troll you know who knows who the father is
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right I think she lied about all that [ __ ] and and who was the father who who was
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the acting father George Anthony right those were her parents for all you know because the term mother and father that
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is just you know that is just some [ __ ] you know you're you're not a mother or father unless the action you
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have the actions to back it up so just because you had a kid for this is for all the deadbeat dads out there deadbeat
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mothers out there just because you have a kid doesn't mean you're a mother no right it's the actions it's the raising
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of that kid is it you know so now they have to deal with the fact that this girl is gone
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your daughter technically your granddaughter is gone and she's not coming back and you have to deal with that guilt
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and all the all the questioning and all that stuff but now you're faced with reality
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that your daughter's been lying to you this whole [ __ ] time well and according to the
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defense according to Casey Anthony's defense that the the the parents had two very
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different reactions to the finding of the body because keep in mind there were eight days that passed before they
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through DNA evidence you know announced that it was in fact Kaylee Anthony right
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and during this time the defense states that George was handling it very almost very policeman-like you know what I mean
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he's he's a facts guy you know the you know with most officers there's not a lot of gray with them it's a lot of
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black and white right and the situation here is he's he knows man he's he's going this body was found so close to my
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home I know the last time I saw this little girl this in and he's basically going into the mode of well we need to
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step up this investigation now and find out what happened right we need this is supposed this is before Kaylee's
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identified right the mother Cindy at the same time is saying well there's a lot of kids that
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that live in this area and on top of that I think that I overheard that some another kid has gone missing somewhere
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in the area it's probably not Kaylee they had two completely opposite reactions to this situation now in their
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defense in in Cindy's defense I don't want to harp on her too badly because she's gone through something nobody ever
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should have to go through but in her defense I I don't know how I would react to any of this information myself I I
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you know we all want to hold out hope at some point um it's strange to me that you can have
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people two people living under the same roof with completely different reactions
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though find those people being you know married individuals I mean or a married couple I shouldn't say married
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individuals married couple well let's get let's get back into this uh right after this quick beer break
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foreign [Music] all right and we're back cheers everybody all right Captain what we need
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to do here is we need to fill in some blanks because yesterday when we were talking we went through the situation of
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the last time that Kaylee was seen and then we have 31 days passed before she's reported missing before Casey is
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arrested but we have a lot of blank space in there during that 30 days and we have some information as to what was
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going on during that 30 days because well some of us have seen pictures of this on on TV and on the news but
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furthermore we have statements given from the Anthony family this uh being George and Cindy but also including
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things that her brother Lee has said we also have statements by Casey Anthony's friends and her boyfriend right and now
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we're we're investigating this as a homicide down not that the body is found so we have to dive into these actions a
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little bit more yes and so the last time that it is agreed upon that Kaylee Anthony was seen alive was June 16 2008
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this is at the Anthony family home now on that day Cindy Anthony testified that she left for work a few minutes before 7
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A.M now while this was while everybody was still asleep at the house at 7 52 a.m we start to see some activity from
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Casey Anthony's password protected account on MySpace and she is re doing some kind of research for shotgirl
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costumes and this is believed to be for Tony Lazaro remember that's her boyfriend at the DJ yeah he has um you
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know these nightclub type events that that he goes to and she is going to be a part of that now it's been reported that
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she might have been managing um some of these shot girls or or assisting in some manner with that um or
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she could have just been looking for some kind of outfit to wear to to the Nightclub at 7 56 a.m we see uh more
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more computer uh activity uh this is being in some chat rooms at 12 50 p.m now this is according to George Anthony
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he states that Kaylee departed with Casey in their vehicle in the Sunfire around 12 50 p.m and he goes on to
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describe you know he can even describe some of the outfit that that both of them were wearing right stating that
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there were backpacks on their shoulders and he is under the impression that that Casey is going to go off to work
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and Kaylee is going to go to the baby babysitter's house right so yeah she's going to go to zany the zany the nanny's
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house and that that Casey's actually in work attire is what he claims now at 1 39 p.m there's activity associated with
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Casey's uh instant messenger in Myspace and Facebook accounts uh on the home computer uh the last browser activity
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session is at 1 42 p.m at 144 Casey calls her friend Amy uh remember now this is Amy that is uh living with her
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ex-boyfriend that she's supposedly lived with for for some people the one she stole some checks from yeah yeah that
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that good friend [Music] um at 2 21 PM the call with Amy ends and at 2 30 p.m George Anthony testified
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that he left the home at this time to go to work now at 2 49 PM Casey Anthony cell phone connects with a tower nearest
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the home and the Anthony the Anthony family's desktop computer is activated by somebody using a password protected
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account for Casey Anthony at 2 51 pm on the home computer there is a Google search made for the term of
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foolproof Suffocation uh the word Suffocation was misspelled but whoever was searching this clicks on some
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articles regarding foolproof Suffocation or ways to die right and then this article they talk about black trash bags
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they talk about duct tape different things of that nature then shortly after that we see more activity
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on MySpace at two just before three o'clock Casey answers a phone call from Jesse uh this
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this guy says that he describes this conversation as abnormal uh Casey stated to him that her parents were divorcing
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and that she would need to find a a new place to live at 304 PM Casey disconnected the phone
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call from jet from Jessie to take an incoming call from her father George now according to according to the trial
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records this was a 20 26 second call uh from her father and he says that well we
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got some conflicting stories on this of course we do because what what the defense is going to try to tell us is
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that basically what happened is George called Casey as soon as he got to work and the reason that it's such a short
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call is that he was basically saying you know I took care of everything hint hint you
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know that kind of situation um that's what the defense says yes basically telling Casey that he had
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disposed of the body uh warning her not to tell her mother about the child's death and that he had disposed of the
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body on his way into work that day um what are your feelings about this phone call here Captain because it is very
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strange to me first of all we we have a situation where Casey supposedly left the house at 12 50 but we see some
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activity on the computer that one might expect that to be more of Casey Anthony type right
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um it was a shared computer it was it was the family computer yeah but if somebody doesn't log out of something
00:32:43
you know if I have my computer open and there's Facebook open and a bunch of other stuff open
00:32:49
um and you're clicking around and maybe exiting out of some programs I I don't know if that would count as the same
00:32:55
activity because I'm not an I.T expert but so it could be somebody clicking around George was there at the house or
00:33:02
it's possible that she'd left for a minute and came right back and George didn't notice that is possible as well
00:33:07
yeah I I think my thoughts are one of two things either George is lying and that the two of them didn't leave or
00:33:14
maybe mistaken maybe the two of them didn't leave at 12 50 like he thought they did or two that exactly as you said
00:33:22
it's it's a shared computer maybe he's just clicking and closing out of something so he can check his personal
00:33:28
email I I really don't know how those things work right but let's talk about what the major problem with this case is
00:33:34
is it's very similar to like Adnan syed's case I hope I said that right you're very close
00:33:43
exactly right right you're exactly right the one of the issues is same with that
00:33:49
case is because it's 31 days before you even report the child missing and now everybody's trying
00:33:58
to figure out when is the last time we saw this individual yeah and then once you kind of figure out that date because
00:34:06
here's a couple things Casey Anthony claims the ninth the parents then say no it's the 16th
00:34:15
and and at some point the the uh on one of the phone calls um the mother says it was the seventh or
00:34:25
something like she gives a whole different date so the fact that they have to start
00:34:30
looking back and yeah we have these records but as far as when George left you know look I can't I can't buy any of
00:34:39
that stuff and the fact of the matter is we got three we got three liars right yeah and there's constantly times that
00:34:49
they're lying about stuff now a lot of people would say well don't throw George under the bus what was he lying about
00:34:54
George and his wife they separated for a while and one of the reasons why they separated was because he was lying to
00:35:02
his wife and got in a bunch of financial trouble and he was being dishonest so there's evidence of him being a liar
00:35:09
Sydney is constantly lying about stuff constantly covering up her tracks constantly lying to help her her
00:35:18
daughter and then then obviously Casey Anthony we know she's lying because she lied for
00:35:25
for 31 days to her parents yeah so I can't believe anything that they're saying all I can go on is by work
00:35:33
records and so if if George clocked into a to his job I believe that why did he call I don't know I'm not going to
00:35:42
believe the defense over or over George and and what we do know is George is at work at X time the mother's
00:35:52
at work early in the morning the only person really home is Casey right and Kaylee yeah yeah well and the thing here
00:35:59
is we you know with the ad non case you know the one thing they bring up when you're talking about trying to remember
00:36:05
what happened a week ago or two weeks ago or in this case 31 days ago uh sometimes things are easier to remember
00:36:12
when you have a special day you know what I mean when something something exciting or something big happened for
00:36:18
you that day I think that they got the date right of the last time that they saw Kaylee because Cindy clearly
00:36:25
remembers going to visit her father on Father's Day and and swimming with Kaylee that night uh so I I believe that
00:36:32
they have the date right but I'm with you Captain I don't know if they would know exactly when uh I'm just saying
00:36:38
some of the yeah the date is correct but what I'm saying is some of the details are blurry George would say that before
00:36:46
Casey and Kaylee left that that day that she that Casey had told him that she had
00:36:52
a work function that would require her to either be out of town or stay overnight somewhere of course
00:36:59
um and that Kaylee was going to be staying at the nannies overnight and that she had already previously
00:37:04
discussed this with her mother um I don't have any information from Cindy backing that up but again like you
00:37:11
said sometimes it's hard to believe some of these things that we're hearing now regarding the phone call though so he
00:37:18
gets 26 seconds I don't know what it is he gets to well I don't know what it is either but here's here's the vibe I get
00:37:24
all right I get the vibe that Cindy is is willing to turn a blind eye to certain things that Casey does probably
00:37:32
because she wants her granddaughter close to her she wants the granddaughter to stay at home the vibe I get from
00:37:38
George is that he probably for a long time has had a lot of problems with the things that Casey does he he has stated
00:37:45
several times before she was suspected of anything that she's a liar uh he stated plenty of times that he doesn't
00:37:51
appreciate her uh being suspected of taking money from them abusing privileges taking the car no no but I'm
00:37:58
getting to what I think that the phone call was because this phone call is suspicious on George's part in my
00:38:04
opinion it's strange to just show up at work in the first the first thing you do
00:38:08
is call your daughter on the same day that we believe Kaylee Anthony disappeared and have a 26 second phone
00:38:15
call it does look good for the defense and bad for George what I'm saying here is the vibe that I get is that Casey
00:38:23
probably did something small to piss him off it could have been anything I get the vibe that he had a problem with a
00:38:29
lot of the things she was doing and I and I can say we know this we all have dads and some of the dads keep an eye on
00:38:35
their Turf on their territory they are the king of the castle it might have just been a quick phone call that said
00:38:41
you know what you left the garage door open again I'm sick of this crap or you know I found this here you know this
00:38:48
these dirt you left dirty clothes all over the floor or you left the computer on again you know any of these little
00:38:53
things that tick you off as a parent he's probably just calling her to to state that yeah possibly now at this is
00:39:01
after the phone call from George at 3 34 Casey made a phone call to her then boyfriend Tony Lazaro but the call goes
00:39:09
unanswered um between 4 10 and 4 14 p.m Casey made six unanswered phone calls to her mother
00:39:18
now what we see with this cell phone activity you know we have the call from her dad the unanswered calls to her mom
00:39:25
into the boyfriend uh we see a situation where her cell phone is pinging uh off of a tower that would indicate that she
00:39:35
is near the house near the Anthony home up until about 4 11 p.m now it's believed that at this time she left the
00:39:44
home and she was driving toward Tony Lazaro's apartment um at 7 54 p.m that night we have video
00:39:53
footage for this uh Casey Anthony and Tony Lazaro are seen entering and walking around casually at a Blockbuster
00:40:02
Video Store remember those the blue buildings that had the videos that they would rent you so we have Tony and Casey
00:40:09
there at the Blockbuster that evening on videotape um and they they're renting movies they
00:40:15
rent uh the movie jumper and untraceable there is video footage of this of the two of them walking up and down the
00:40:23
aisle looking for something interesting to watch but the Curious Thing here rolling around just trolling around the
00:40:30
Curious Thing here is that Kaylee is not with them in any of this video footage on to the following day we have June 17
00:40:38
2008 uh George and Cindy Anthony would later report that on this date that they noticed that the gate to the swimming
00:40:46
pool is open and that the ladder is next to the pool they had one of those ladders that you had to kind of you had
00:40:52
to place it onto the above ground pool and you could take it down later for for safety precautions
00:40:59
um the the thing here is there are several people at Cindy's work that did state that that on they remembered at
00:41:10
least one occasion Cindy explaining that the the pool the ladder to the pool was
00:41:15
left up on many occasions stay stating that she actually thought that people while she was at work that neighborhood
00:41:22
kids were climbing in the pool and swimming in the pool while nobody was at the house that's possible um now a lot
00:41:28
of these well I shouldn't say a lot all of the people that reported remembering having heard her say this they could not
00:41:35
give a date they could not place a date on this right um so we don't know if the 17th is is
00:41:40
just good for Cindy's story or if it's factual but what also took place that day is that Casey Anthony posted a
00:41:48
message on her Facebook page and again I'll use air quotes when I describe this person her to her friend well it's on
00:41:55
her friend's page Amy uh the girl that she stole the checks from and on her Facebook page she writes cheer me up
00:42:02
lady I love you and I can't wait to get you finally moved in um I'm guessing they might be talking
00:42:09
about the ex-boyfriend's apartment or something on the next day on the 18th uh Casey is
00:42:15
visiting with friends again without Kaylee uh during this visit Casey tells her friends that her parents are having
00:42:23
a lot of problems that uh Casey's father George has been cheating on Cindy and that the two were going to get divorced
00:42:32
uh she told her friends that her mother had told her that George is going to be out of the picture and then it would
00:42:39
just be the three of them girls but also that same night she she tells her friends that she's planning to buy a
00:42:47
home in a subdivision on Curry Road stating that the home would be just for her and Kaylee and that she was planning
00:42:56
on spending about 250 000 to buy a nice home for the two of them wait this is what this is what Casey is saying yes
00:43:04
case yeah yeah so you have this story at the beginning of the night about the parents are going to split up 250 000
00:43:11
home with that job you've been working really hard that fictitious job you've been working really hard for two years
00:43:17
and a fictitious job and you're going to buy a house for 250 000. stealing money from all your family
00:43:23
members okay on the 19th Casey makes arrangements for her and Tony to go look at an apartment together according to
00:43:32
the guy that showed them the apartment this is actually somebody that Casey had gone to high school with uh he says that
00:43:40
Casey was very upbeat during the visit she was full of smiles she was extremely happy and that YOLO bro
00:43:48
well and he he says that he was happy with the the meeting as well because uh it seemed to him that the decision
00:43:56
whether or not they were going to get the apartment mostly fell on Tony uh whether he liked the apartment or not
00:44:03
because the situation was explained to him that Tony would have to break his current lease remember he's at the condo
00:44:09
to get a new place I probably should check myself and calm down a little bit and get back into
00:44:17
just the podcast all right all right we'll try try to remain calm because this might upset you
00:44:23
um now later that day and this is well into the evening and maybe it's because they wanted to go out and celebrate let
00:44:30
me just tell a little story about Tony his roommates just so we have this kind of picture going she starts singing this
00:44:36
guy Tony which is you know he's like college age yeah he's a DJ and his friends are kind of DJs and throw these
00:44:43
parties no big deal what is interesting about this is when she first started visiting Tony she brought her child
00:44:50
around right and so Kaylee was around and then and it seemed like all the roommates were like oh this is a cool
00:44:56
little kid you know and and a lot of kids even though they're in their early 20s a lot of people have you know uh
00:45:03
younger siblings or whatever so they all really liked Kaylee and then it was like
00:45:10
I'm going to come over and bring my kid for a couple weeks and then it became I'm not taking my kid over anymore so it
00:45:18
was weeks and weeks of the roommates going oh hey where Hey where's your daughter oh well she's with grandparents
00:45:25
or she's with the nanny well I just want to kind of set that scene for you yeah and and by this point we're at the 19th
00:45:33
you know she stayed the night there a couple nights in a row without the daughter
00:45:37
um but you know they've looked at the apartment and now they're going to go out to the nightclub and like I said I
00:45:42
don't know if it's they were celebrating because they were going to get an apartment together or if they were just
00:45:47
you know out at one of Tony's functions or whatever or networking or what yeah yeah but this is somewhat it could be
00:45:54
somewhat related to Tony's work um the the thing here is this is the this is the night that we all kind of
00:46:03
know about because they go out on the 19th and they're partying until the early morning hours of the 20th well
00:46:10
that's where that famous picture is from where she's in the blue dress and she's
00:46:15
you know dancing on another on another woman controlling around yeah so that's that's the night that this picture is
00:46:22
from and this is the picture that they claim she was paid for as a promotional picture but this is also the one that
00:46:29
they claim that it was a hot body contest yeah yeah this is this is a photograph that was that took place when
00:46:35
she was participating in the hot body contest at the fusion night well good thing it wasn't like a hot face contest
00:46:41
because she wouldn't have won a couple days later on the 23rd of June Anthony Lazaro would later testify that he
00:46:49
helped Casey Anthony break into the shed at her parents home to take gas cans for
00:46:54
Casey's car uh this card run out of gas obviously Lazaro said that he watched Casey open the trunk of her car and he
00:47:04
did not see the inside of the trunk uh but he did he did state that he did not detect any odor or remembered uh
00:47:11
detecting any odor when that took place on the 24th the next day George Anthony calls the police to report a break-in
00:47:21
um to report the gas cans is missing later this day he sees Casey at the Anthony residence and he confronts her
00:47:29
about taking the gas cans George said that when he went to get the cans out of Casey's car she like runs past him she
00:47:38
quickly opens up the truck what actually happens is he was asking for a jack because he was you know where you Jack
00:47:44
the car up he was going to jack his wife's car up so he could change the tires and when he said I want to go get
00:47:51
that Jack out of your car she was like no no no no no no I got it she runs past him opens up the hook the trunk pulls
00:47:59
out the jack and by the way here's your gas cans and that's where he gets upset because he's
00:48:06
going oh you make me look like a jackass because I called and reported these stolen and I always found it weird that
00:48:13
he called and reported the gas cans as stolen but when I looked into it a little more there there's there's more
00:48:18
to that story you know they actually physically broke into the shed you know growing up we had a shed in our backyard
00:48:25
we my house we didn't keep it locked most of the time anybody could have just walked in there but his situation he had
00:48:32
a padlock or some kind of lock on the shed that was actually broken so that the person could get in and steal the
00:48:39
gas can so that makes sense to me now having the full report of it it's also 2008 SO gas was a lot more expensive you
00:48:46
know you're looking at four to five dollars a gallon maybe more in Florida well and and what else does this tell
00:48:52
you if somebody's willing to break into the shed you know this is something you want to report regardless of how small
00:48:58
the item is that they may have taken on the 30th of June this is when the vehicle is towed to the lot it has sat
00:49:09
there for a few days um and her her purse and a child's car seat are found in the back seat of that
00:49:16
Pontiac Sunfire and on July 2nd 2008 well that's when Casey gets the very famous bellavita
00:49:24
tattoo on her back we've all seen pictures of that tattoo and then that takes us to roughly July 15th and 16th
00:49:33
uh this being when George and Cindy pick up the vehicle the Sunfire from the impound lot and they bring the vehicle
00:49:40
home and they finally get Casey home that evening on the 15th and then they discovered that the granddaughter is
00:49:47
missing um some things that I do want to point out is regarding some statements that
00:49:52
the uh that Tony Lazaro and his roommates have said that took place during this time you know they had you
00:50:00
know Casey would stay there you know this that wasn't super abnormal however she would never stay for an extended
00:50:08
period of time like this and she was there basically basically staying the entire time one thing there was a few
00:50:15
things that the guys found odd about her per visit let's say first of all they never saw Kaylee during any of that
00:50:23
visit during that 30 some days which they found to be extremely strange however Casey had a story for that and
00:50:30
right the story was that her parents were going to be separating and that there was a lot of arguing going on at
00:50:37
the Anthony household and that she didn't want to be there and she didn't want her daughter to be there
00:50:42
furthermore because this condo is occupied by a bunch of college age dudes she didn't think that it was the place
00:50:50
was fit for her daughter to be staying there for an extended period of time and that Kaylee was simply off with the
00:50:56
nanny that she was being watched daily and nightly by the Nanny um the the other thing that they found
00:51:04
strange was unless they went to the club or unless one of them went somewhere with Casey she never seemed to really
00:51:11
leave which they found strange because she supposedly had this job now one thing they were they kind of they kind
00:51:19
of overlooked some of this stuff I think because they did say while she was there
00:51:23
you know she was she was in a good mood all the time she was extremely friendly she was cleaning up after them she was
00:51:30
cooking meals um when they asked her about her job you know don't she have a job to go to she
00:51:36
basically told them that her boss was really cool and because they had a computer there she was able to do a lot
00:51:43
of the work uh her event coordinator position uh for Universal she was able to do a lot of that work at the
00:51:50
apartment yeah yeah I guess when you have a fictitious job she's got an answer for everything you
00:51:58
can do a fictitious work on any computer you can even do fictitious work for your
00:52:04
fictitious job at a fictitious computer well and the other thing too is they notice that that more often than not I
00:52:12
think even one of the guys reported that he believed that every time that Casey's
00:52:17
cell phone would ring that she would get up leave the apartment and take the call
00:52:22
outside uh and they would see her pacing back and forth outside on these phone calls some of them were long phone calls
00:52:30
well some people are Pacers when they talk on the phone I I am one of those uh and I but maybe at the time it probably
00:52:38
didn't seem that suspicious oh while she's going to talk on the phone maybe she just wants so quiet space yes right
00:52:44
and who knows who she's talking to I mean it could be talking to you would assume probably the nanny or your
00:52:49
parents or or somebody of that nature yeah and it's assumed now by most that a lot of those calls were the calls
00:52:58
that Cindy was making to Casey trying to find out where they are do they need anything uh when is she going to see
00:53:05
Kaylee um things like that and you know Casey always seemed to have an answer for when
00:53:12
Cindy would call because you know Cindy was like well at least let me let me say
00:53:17
hi to her you know let me talk to her real quick right she's here there yeah she's well she's not with me she's
00:53:23
napping uh you know she's with the nanny uh so there was always an answer now when you hear that in the 911 tape too I
00:53:32
think pretty well so when she says uh I I gave you I gave you a many of times many of days no more days yeah you don't
00:53:42
get any more days yeah and actually at one point Cindy pushed her pretty bad you know like well you you gotta at
00:53:49
least you gotta at least come by the house or you know let's at least let me see see Kaylee and I don't know exactly
00:53:57
the date but there was supposed to be a there was a date that Casey agreed to go
00:54:02
back to the Anthony home and I believe it was on a Monday and she was to bring Kaylee over to see the grandparents well
00:54:10
that day came and went well Cindy calling Casey repeatedly finally gets Casey on the phone right to say hey what
00:54:18
happened we were supposed to We were supposed to hang out today I was supposed to see Kaylee today what
00:54:22
happened and Casey states that zany was driving and she was in a uh in a accident of course and it was a pretty
00:54:32
severe accident and that zany would be staying at the Tampa hospital and Casey and a friend of hers uh who who they
00:54:41
were going to do the surgery for well her friend supposedly her daughter was being watched by the Nanny as well right
00:54:49
and so uh but you would you'd feel so disrespected as yeah you're the grandparents but like I said you're
00:54:57
doing all the actions of the actual parents you know especially George you know this you are the father figure and
00:55:05
this baby's life and so it doesn't matter if you move out you know I mean if you have a grandkid those
00:55:14
grandparents wouldn't be involved hey that's fine that you're you're out and you're doing your thing that's fine just
00:55:21
make some time we want to see it we've done all these things to help you and to help your daughter just you know we just
00:55:28
want to see the kid well regarding that accident with zany um Not only was she in the Tampa
00:55:33
hospital but her and her friend as well as the kids were forced to stay in a hotel in the Tampa area and they weren't
00:55:43
going to leave until zanny's family members came in from out of town to be with her so it's it's a situation of we
00:55:52
see her basically buying time you know buying buying a few hours or buying an evening and then with something like
00:55:59
this Tampa situation we see her buying multiple days I can get I can get Mom off my back for multiple days uh
00:56:06
interesting question I don't know the answer but I wonder if they actually did research on the on the the DJ in the
00:56:15
room the boyfriend and the roommates of their computers what she was searching for you know why she was doing her
00:56:22
fictitious work what Casey Anthony was searching for on those computers probably a lot of Myspace and Facebook
00:56:28
activity would be my guess pretending pretending to work no yeah I understand that but I wonder if there'd be some
00:56:36
incriminating stuff you know you know what happens when you're charged with murder right
00:56:43
right all right you want to give final thoughts on this we haven't even got to the trial yet I mean we there's so much
00:56:49
more to cover we get some people have to work the allegations by the defense team
00:56:54
what the prosecution allege happens I mean it's one of the one of the most fascinating and more intriguing trials
00:57:01
that I can recall that has significance in in uh True Crime history so we got a lot more to get to all right and well
00:57:10
let's get to that next week yeah because I got to get out of here I entered myself in the hot body contest down at
00:57:15
the Jimmy's Chicken Shack thank you you're you have no chance of winning oh have you seen the man at the Jimmy's
00:57:25
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