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killer has a type 10 bodies were found near a remote [Music] beach we were dealing with a serial
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killer all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer in January of 2020 the suffk
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county New York police and the new police commissioner Gerald Dean Hart launched the website Gilgo news.com as a
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platform for background information and updates on the still unsolved Long Island serial killer case the following
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is a general timeline posted on Gilgo news .c during the early morning hours of May
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1st 2010 Shannon Gilbert a Craigslist sexw worker traveled with her driver Michael
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Pack from Manhattan to meet a client Joseph Brewer at his home in the oak Beach Association Gilbert's driver
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remained in his car while she met with the client at some point during the meeting Gilbert reportedly began acting
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irrational prompting her client to contact the driver and have gilbertt leave his home after refusing to leave
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the location at the request of her client Gilbert eventually fled on foot into the oak Beach Community Gilbert
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knocked on several doors and interacted with two homeowners within the community
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before disappearing both Brewer and pack cooperated with police and have been interviewed and fully
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investigated on December 11 2010 8 months after the search for Gilbert began a suffel County Police Department canine
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unit continued the search for Gilbert near her last known whereabouts instead of finding Gilbert however they
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uncovered human remains that were later identified as 24-year-old Melissa bartholomy 2 days after the discovery of
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bartholomy three additional victims were located along Ocean Parkway The Remains
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later identified as Marine Bernard Barnes age 25 amberlin Costello 27 and Megan Waterman age
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22 all worked as Craigslist escorts and we last seen between July 2007 and September
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2010 the investigation into Shannon Gilbert's disappearance continued several months later the remains of
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another woman who worked as an escort were discovered several miles east of where the Gilgo Beach 4 were found this
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set of partial skeleton remains Unearthed on March 29th 2011 known as Jane Doe number 5 the
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investigation matched the remains of janeo number five to identified partial remains of Jessica Taylor previously
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discovered in manille on July 26 2003 she also worked as an escort this is the first connection
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between the Gilgo homicides and manille following this connection between Gilgo Beach and Manville the
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investigation expanded again on April 4 2011 three more sets of remains were found on Ocean Parkway in
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suffel County one set was that of a female toddler another was a yet to be identified Asian male the third was
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initially referred to as Jane Doe number 6 a week later the investigation uncovered two additional sets of remains
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along Ocean Parkway in Nassau County one set through DNA analysis was confirmed to be the mother of the female
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toddler the mother's partial remains were first discovered in Hempstead Lake State Park in
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1997 and she's become known as Peaches due to a tattoo of a peach on her body the other set discovered in Nassau
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County was genetically matched with remains discovered in 1996 in Davis Park on Fire Island significantly expanding
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the timeline and Geographic reach of the Gilgo Beach be homicide investigation originally known as manille Jane do Jane
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do number six found on April 4 2011 was confirmed by the suff County Police Department's homicide unit to
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match with remains discovered in Manville on November 19 2000 recreational hunters came across
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these remains a white female with brown hair located off a Hy Manor Road in a wooded area the investigation determined
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that these remains had been in this location since the end of 2000 most significantly in May of 2020
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Jane do number six was identified as Valerie Mack Mack's remains were identified with the assistance of the
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FBI using Advanced forensic DNA technology Valerie Mack disappeared at the age of 24 while living in
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Philadelphia worked as an escort but is confirmed to have worked in philadelph pH Adelphia not New York Mac also used
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the Alias Melissa Taylor Mac's family members provided additional DNA samples and confirmed
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that they last Saw Mac in the spring and summer of 2000 in Port Republic in New Jersey while she was not reported
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missing this information aligned with the previous determination the max remains were dumped in manille in
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2000 in early December 2011 County Police found Shannon Gilbert's purse and mobile phone in Oak
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Beach marshin 2 Days Later a quarter mile east of her belongings Gilbert's remains were
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located in 2020 former suff County Police Commissioner Gerald Dean Hart released previously undisclosed evidence
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to the public in an effort to advance the investigation police released photos of
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a belt believed to be handled by the suspect not belonging to any of the victims found on the Belt were what
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investigators believe to be someone's initials stamped on one side these letters are wh or
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HM in 2022 current suff County Police Commissioner Rodney K Harrison established a multi-agency task force
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that includes the FBI New York State Police suff County District Attorney's office and the suff County Sheriff's
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Office to reinvigorate the invest ation and bring the person or persons responsible for these crimes to
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Justice anyone with information should contact one of these agencies or please call Crim Stoppers
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at800 220 tips tis this massive investigation for a predator or Predators now known as The
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Long Island serial killer all started with one phone call Shannon Gilbert calling 911 in May of 2010 led to the
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discovery of multiple females one male and a toddler who were robbed of their lives between 1996 and 2010 Shannon
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Gilbert's 911 call led to one of the most consequential homicide investigations in the history of Long
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Island and now 12 years later we are right back here where it all started with the newly released Shannon Gilbert
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911 call this is true crime garage the Long Island serial killer this killer has a
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type 10 bodies were found near a remote [Music] beach we were dealing with a serial
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killer all four killed by one killer the Long Island serial killer well here we sit 12 years later
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when we started this gig back in 2015 this was the first case that we covered in more than one episode and we
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stuck with it we stuck with the Long Island serial killer investigation and covered the story as much as we could in
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fact we did back-to-back episodes episodes four and five in 2015 episode 20 in 2016 and then we had our good friend
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Josh Zan on the show in episode 61 to cover the killing season his documentary that covered a portion of the Long
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Island serial killer case and then in episode 74 we gave you another update a Lisk update as we titled it which of
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course Lisk standing for Long Island serial killer so we started this journey in 2015 and on the Big Show here in the
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garage 2017 was the last time that we have taken a look at this case we've Revisited the case from time to time
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with any new new evidence or new information that has came out on our other show off the Record and here we
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are all of these years later sticking with it because finally it was called for when Shannon Gilbert went missing it
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was called for when the bodies were being recovered when the remains were being found in the Gilgo Beach area it
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was called for again when Robert Ker's book The Lost Girls came out and it was called for again when the Gilbert family
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disputed the medical examiner findings saying that her death was not a homicide after her body was finally recovered and
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now it's finally released the Shannon Gilbert 911 call yes C almost seems ridiculous that it took so long to be
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released so let's not take much longer to dive into our breakdown of this call now we've been teased with this
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information that the 911 call would be coming out for years now and there were several different times that the captain
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and I were convinced hey this call is finally going to be released it's going to happen next week or later this week
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and then it never came about there was always somebody somewhere along the line that was shutting it down from getting
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out to the public but now it's finally here and what we have is we have the suffk County Sheriff's Office who is
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telling us that this is the information we we are now ready to release this 911 call to you the public we believe that
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it is important for you to hear it and we encourage you to listen to it in its entirety there is some difficult audio
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along the way so what they have provided us with is they had their task force and
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an audio and visual expert team get together and put together some legit information and offer transcripts for
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the voices and for the words that are being spoken in the recording all of this is available on the Gilgo news.com
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website again that's the information informational website that was put together to offer concrete factual
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information in the Long Island serial killer investigation the ongoing investigation now for those of you who
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are new to our show or maybe new to True Crime and are unaware of this case that's understandable because this was
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Big Time News 12 years ago 2010 this was huge news you couldn't if you were looking or reading True Crime this case
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was all over the place especially on the internet and as we said we covered it several times here in the garage you're
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welcome to go back and listen to those episodes as well as the trailer for today which gives a nice complete
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background a shortened version of the information that's necessary to be aware of here in this case and so important to
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point out if Shannon didn't make this 911 call if her family didn't push law enforcement to look for her we may never
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have found these other victims that's exactly right Captain so a little background information Shannon Gilbert
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was a woman who mysteriously disappeared her disappearance led to the discovery of 10 other bodies alongside Ocean
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Parkway it's unclear if her death is connected to these other cases but as you said we don't start finding these
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remains unless they are out looking for Shannon Gilbert over the years we have had Mary Gilbert Shannon's mother who
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filed a lawsuit against suffa County Police Department seeking the release of these recordings and transcripts the
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police claimed releasing it may jeopardize the ongoing investigation but now here we sit in 2022 they are in fact
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releasing them and have said that they now believe that this information will not impede their investigation also what
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we were told by the current police commissioner Rodney K Harrison is that what we will be hearing is Shannon
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Gilbert's 911 call as well as two other calls and straight from their website and for the website on information in
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this case Gilgo news.com where you can find those recordings it states that we are going to hear two other calls that
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were placed by residents of Oak beach now you won't have to go to that website because we are going to play those calls
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for you today as well as offer some analysis as to what we believe that we are hearing or insights and as it may
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work into the Long Island seral killer investigation well let's start this off with the intro that law enforcement
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gives to the 911 call I'm detective Lieutenant Kevin byra the commanding officer of the suff County Police
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Homicide section this video was made to explain the circumstances surrounding the three 911 calls made on the day
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Shannon Gilbert went missing the full unedited 911 calls are available and I encourage people to listen to them
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in their entirety portions of the call taken out of context will sound Sensational during the early morning
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hours of May 1st 2010 Shannon Gilbert a Craigslist sex worker and resident of Jersey City New Jersey traveled from
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Manhattan to meet a client Joseph Brewer at his home at 8 the Fairway Oak Beach New York Shannon was driven to Oak Beach
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from Manhattan by her driver Michael Pack neither one was familiar with the area neither one had been there before
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and neither one had met Brewer before pack waited in the car while Shannon was inside with Brewer pack was her DEA
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facto security at 4:51 a.m. while at Brewer's house Shannon called 911 this call lasts
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for more than 21 minutes at times Shannon is speaking calmly but slurring her words at times she is not responsive
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and at time she is screaming during this call Brewer and pack are heard trying to get Shannon to
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leave the house Shannon eventually does leave the house and runs to Gus ket's house located at
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17 the Fairway which causes him to call 911 at 5:22 a.m. this is the start of the Shannon Gilbert 911 call n how can I
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assist you and hello hello hello you dialed into the 911 system how can I assist
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you hello do you need the police yeah where where who's there with you hello what's going
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on ask me what somebody asking me somebody is harassing you after me who let me talk to
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him I am let me talk to him theones Beach you're at Jones Beach I Jones all right let me connect you to State Police
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stay on the line okay so we don't hear Shannon Gilbert screaming bloody murder obviously at this point in the 911 call
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she's calling in she sounds a little incoherent to me a little out of it and she's saying in slurred speech and again
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I can only give my opinion as to what I what my ears are telling me that I'm hearing but I'm hearing slurred speech
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of someone's after me and it's clear that it's not clear to the operator because the operator continues to ask
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her what are you saying she's asking for clarification now of course we now know
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what the emergency is we have a woman that's afraid she believes that there's someone after her and the 911 operator
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wants to establish where Shannon is where is she located so that we can send help to her and unfortunately Shannon is
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not really clear about where she is she knows that she's on Long Island she's not certain of the county but she's
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asking the operator if you can trace this call if you can trace my location we hear a male voice in the background
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to which the operator is now saying let me speak with him I want to talk to that
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guy that I'm hearing keep in mind Shannon Gilbert at this point we know that it's in the 4:00 hour early in the
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morning so they've been up all night partying by this point she was driven there by her driver Michael Pack late
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the night before we're now at the 4:00 a.m. hour she's calling 911 and she's still at Joseph Brewer's home during the
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early part of this call right and so that is Joseph Brewer according to the suffk County Police Department that is
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Joseph Brewer that we are hearing in the background yeah possibly Joseph Brewer possibly another male there could be
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multiple males in the background it's so hard to hear what the background noise is and I don't know if she's technically
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slurring her words or if she is just mumbling because I kind of Wonder the stuff she's asking for when she's saying
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hey somebody's after me and can you trace my call these are things that maybe you wouldn't want the the males in
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the room to hear that you're calling 911 I do like the fact that the 911 operator
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is like hey let me talk to him I'm going to talk to this individual that's after
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you yeah she she's trying to assess the situation and she's not able to get much
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information or any useful information from Shannon who called 911 when she figures out that she's in a different
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location this is where she transfers Shannon's call hi you got to talk louder to
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them why he police Trooper fry State Police yeah there's somebody after me I'm sorry there's somebody after me
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where are you there's somebody after me okay where are you there's somebody after me where are
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you ma'am I don't know you're driving right now noide the house I'm sorry I'm inside the house
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what house I don't know can you fre where I am I'm sorry fre where I am no I can't what's your call back number
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you're calling from huh what phone number are you calling from somebody's asking
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me where are you in suffet county or Nassau County um I'm in Long Island where on
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Long Island are you it takes Shannon a little bit of time to reply to the 911 Opera once she is transferred but she is
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clearly talking more clearly now but what I don't understand is when she starts asking her other questions other
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than what's wrong she keeps repeating herself somebody's after me yeah again she's not offering very good information
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and so the operator the 911 operator has transferred her to the state police because off of very little information
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the operator believes that this is a police matter that the caller is not requesting the fire department or EMTs
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that this is a police matter so now she's going to transfer it to the state police who still are trying to figure
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out where the caller is in the state of New York right so it's it's a large state they're going to try to figure out
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where she is so that we can really hone in on her location and get the proper authorities to her exact location to
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inter view her on the scene to take a police report at this home again she's also asking can you trace my call cuz I
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don't know where I'm at but the the term somebody is after me that is I'm in danger is basically what she's saying in
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my mind yes she believes that she is in danger according to those words yeah so she's not completely responsive to the
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911 operator but she is talking more clearly there's definitely something wrong with her but there's definitely
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something wrong with this situation because she doesn't feel safe in this situation and we don't know how many men
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are at this house and who is there that is making her feel uncomfortable I mean uncomfortable enough to call
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call no no stop no where in Long Island are you in suff County Nasa County huh why you call me
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me why so what you're hearing here and again the background noise is an audible it's very difficult to tell who is
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speaking and what they are saying but it's interesting to know what's going on in the background right because we are
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sitting here trying to figure out what Shannon is experiencing and why she feels that her life is in danger why she
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feels like somebody is after her and who might be these people that she's with now we know that she's at Joseph
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Brewer's home and again according to the suffle County Police Department the male
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voice that you are hearing in the background at this last clip that we've just covered is Joseph Brewer and
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according to their transcript what he is saying is yeah he wants to talk to you the guy wants to talk to you Shannon
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Gilbert says no and So based off of this transcription I would believe or at least believe that the suffle County
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Police Department believe that Joseph Brewer is speaking directly to Shannon at this point what's interesting to me
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though is that he says yeah he wants to talk to you the guy wants to talk to you
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I'm a little I'm not liking that sentence there here Captain because he's supposed to be hosting a party of from
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what we've been told it's a small gathering of men and then they've hired Shannon to come in and entertain during
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the course of that mhm I don't like when I hear somebody saying the guy wants to talk to you he
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should know everybody's name that's in his home and I believe that maybe he's purposely not saying this man's name or
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he does not know the man's name which either way I don't like it I think either way it's it's suspicious Behavior
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I agree and I think it points to the person that is after her now on the flip side of the pendulum I'd say maybe he's
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saying the guy wants to talk to you and he's referring to Michael Pack her driver that's that's a great analysis
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because he likely does not know Michael Pack's name right and he probably doesn't know what title to give the guy
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you know your driver your security your pimp I mean he probably does not know what to call the guy so maybe he is
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referring to Michael Pack here but the reaction from Shannon is that whoever it is that Joseph Brewer is
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telling her to speak with she keeps saying no no she clearly does not want to speak with whoever Joseph Brewer is
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telling her to talk to but interesting enough it doesn't seem like she's afraid of Brewer himself there's no screaming
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there I don't hear any like Terror in her voice M again she's in a state that I don't know that that we're going to be
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able to decipher a lot based off of her the the her voice and her tone but clearly she's feels afraid enough to
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call 911 at this point but the other confusing thing too and this might have to do with her her her mental state at
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this point or her physical state or both she keeps saying something like why is he saying my name or you know and I
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thought maybe that had to do with sometime sometimes if you're you're an escort or or exotic dance
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you may have a stage name or a name that is used during the course of your business but it sounds to me like she is
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being called Shannon but is also a little confused as to why anybody would be calling her that yeah maybe this guy
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figured out her real name and she doesn't want him using her real name one of my biggest issues with this case
00:33:50
though is like you said her State of Mind what was she doing that day what were what kind of drugs were
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being taken at this party but also was she aware of whatever drugs somebody gave her well and keep in mind too that
00:34:06
by this point we've been given a timeline from law enforcement years ago and from people that are closer to this
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case what we've been told was that at some point in the course of the night they left and went to a CVS to pick up a
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couple items at a CVS and it's believed that a possible drug deal took place during the course of either to and from
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CVS or at the CVS so as you pointed out there are not there are Narcotics at this party it wouldn't be out of
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question or out of the realm of possibility that that Shannon brought with her some narcotics that evening and
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at the very least we may not know exactly what she knows or what kind of substances are available or that they
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are doing that night but I would believe that if she was along for that ride to the CVS which we have been told in the
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past that she was that she witnessed whatever was that was picked up there's also been some thought and speculation
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over the years that maybe this this pickup was at her request yeah a lot of unknowns but I go back to the story and
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it's a famous story of George Harrison and John Lenin they e dinner with a dentist and he put LSD into their tea or
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coffee and so these two individuals are now high on LSD and have no clue that they they were drugged by this dentist
00:35:42
whatever happened to them that day if something bad would have happened to them the onest would be on that
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dentist and so I I really question what was fed to her in drinks whether it was a rofy or it
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was adding uh pills or or something some kind of cocktail to whatever she had cany you on the line stop please stop it
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please please stop please he to the door no time to go please please to go please go that way
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please come on let's go come on no please come on please come on please please come
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on why why County are you online H you why I want why why are you guys doing this to
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me doing this what county are you in ma'am doing this why are you calling me by my
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name again I have a lot of frustration about this call because I want to scream to Shannon why
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aren't you interacting with the 911 operator I also want to scream to her why are you not leaving because you hear
00:37:36
two male voices in the background at this point before we just had the one which we were being told it was Joseph
00:37:42
Brewer now we have Michael Pack so you might be right there Captain with the the guy wants to talk to you Joseph
00:37:50
Brewer may have been referring to Michael Pack at this point we have Michael Pack who is he's come into the
00:37:57
home or at least the door is open and he is interacting with Shannon Gilbert and
00:38:03
he says simply you okay you know checking in on her right and he's like hey let's go and Joseph Brewer is is
00:38:11
actively trying to get Shannon Gilbert to leave he doesn't seem to be bothered that she's on the phone with somebody
00:38:17
maybe he doesn't know that she's on the phone as you said earlier it's difficult
00:38:23
to tell if this phone is up to her ear and mouth so that could talk to the emergency services or if she's got it
00:38:30
held away from her her face at this point because at sometimes she sounds like she's very distant from the phone
00:38:37
but what we have here and I'm kind of picturing this as we we go through it we have Michael Pack who's trying to get
00:38:44
Shannon to leave we have Joseph Brewer who's trying to get Shannon to leave right and we've all been in this
00:38:50
situation and not this exact situation but we've been in situations like this and it's very annoying when you're with
00:38:57
a an inebriated friend that you're trying to get them to go home or trying to get them to do something and at some
00:39:05
point you resort to baby steps of well if we can just get he or she to do this one thing maybe it'll have a domino
00:39:13
effect and we can get the end result that we want the end result that that sounds clear to me me is that Michael
00:39:20
Pack wants her to go home and Joseph Brewer wants Shannon Gilbert to go home and so at some point you have Joseph bre
00:39:26
are going hey let's go outside I'll show you something all three of us are going
00:39:29
to go outside meaning him Michael Pack and Shannon Gilbert let's just go outside and we'll talk about it out
00:39:35
there almost like hey let's get the baby steps going here let's at least get her
00:39:39
out of the house and maybe if we get her out of the house we can convince her to
00:39:43
get into Michael Pack suburban and then they can return to Manhattan or wherever
00:39:48
it is that Joseph Brewer believed that they came from yeah and just based off this part of the call it's hard to
00:39:55
believe that there's something really nefarious going on between pack and Brewer because they don't seem to be at
00:40:04
all concerned with hey get off the phone no they don't so it doesn't matter who she's calling she she could be talking
00:40:12
to her mother she could talk be talking to law enforcement it doesn't really matter who she's calling we don't have a
00:40:20
concern with that I think you would have a way bigger concern with who she's talking to what information she's trying
00:40:27
to give out if there was something very nefarious going on at least between those two individuals the thing that's
00:40:34
shocking to me though Captain is that it appears that Shannon does not want to have anything to do with Michael Pack
00:40:42
she's not leaving with him she doesn't seem to want to talk to him maybe it's unclear to her who Joseph Brewer was
00:40:49
referring to when he said the guy wants to talk to you yeah but now that he's in
00:40:53
front of your face yeah she doesn't she's not cooperating with Michael Pac who should be her friend in all of this
00:40:59
right whatever label you want to give him we know that he was the driver for her that night it's been stated that he
00:41:06
was her driver on previous occasions and also technically his job is also not just to transport her but to protect her
00:41:16
yeah add some element of security but for her there's some problems with some of this stuff is if I was in her
00:41:25
situation I wouldn't go into this house by myself why didn't Pac go in the house with her
00:41:32
did something happen during this party maybe it wasn't by Brewer maybe it was by somebody else what if some sicko
00:41:40
whispered something into her ear oh when I get you alone I'm going to kill you or
00:41:45
something uh or somebody was too aggressive with her and now she's man at pack because you put me in the situation
00:41:53
you're supposed to help protect me that's part of your job right but we it would be silly for us to try to figure
00:41:59
out the business Arrangements between Shannon and Michael Pack but it would also be extremely odd for Michael Pack
00:42:08
to enter the premises with Shannon because the client is immediately going to say I paid for you to be here not for
00:42:16
him to be here and he can provide that security on the outside as silly as it sounds that's typically how these things
00:42:25
go down well I disagree with you I I don't know much about this profession I do know that I've been to two Bachelor
00:42:34
parties at somebody's house where they hired a stripper they came in with security security stayed with them the
00:42:41
whole time both of my buddies got too drunk started getting handsy with the strippers the security told them to stop
00:42:49
they wouldn't stopped so they left and they still had to pay full price but whatever has happened at this point
00:42:55
again she's not in any rush to leave with Michael Pack who is supposed to be her Lifeline whether he's outside or
00:43:01
inside the home yeah and then that makes you wonder if there was some kind of argument or disagreement with them but
00:43:07
it seems pretty clear on the transcript that pack is asking her hey are you okay and she's just not even being
00:43:15
responsive towards that but it definitely seems like there is now becoming a escalation in this
00:43:25
situation please here no please no stop it please stop it please please stop it please stop it no
00:43:38
[Applause] stop please stop let me fix that let me fix that please stop it no please stop
00:43:48
it please please stop please no what are you going to do to me what are you going
00:43:53
to do to me stop it get ready [Applause] upstairs youst I'm go upstairs okay please take
00:44:23
care you what's the matter okay what are you going to do what are you going to do why
00:44:37
huh well I don't know but it was to me you tell me so you hear things are ramping up
00:44:48
here rather quickly by this point and again we still have the two male voices in the background Joseph Brewer and
00:44:55
Michael pack at one point Brewer is saying to Shannon well actually he's saying this to Michael Pack saying hey
00:45:03
you take her and I'm going to go upstairs keep in mind this is 4:00 a.m. in the morning at this point he's
00:45:09
probably telling the driver like this is kind of your problem now buddy I've called you to retrieve her right and
00:45:16
you're here I don't know why she doesn't want to leave with you but I'm going upstairs meaning I'm going to bed and
00:45:24
you can handle this take her out of here and get her home then we have Michael Pack who's interacting with Shannon
00:45:31
that's when Shannon starts saying why what are you going to kill me and and Michael Pack even says no at some point
00:45:39
so we know that that question or at least Michael Pack believed that question was directed to him because he
00:45:44
offers a response she says you know I'm not going outside they want her to go outside they want her to leave and she's
00:45:53
pushing back on that saying I'm not going outside where are we we're out in the middle of nowhere and Michael Pack
00:45:59
is actually trying to explain to her as best he can or as best as he knows where
00:46:05
they are right it's such a confusing situation you wonder what happened at the party did she get paid is she not
00:46:16
leaving cuz she didn't get paid it seems to me that she's not leaving because she's afraid that once she
00:46:22
leaves this location that something bad is going happen to her the thing is here
00:46:28
Captain it sounds to me if I'm basing off my opinion off of what I've just heard the short snippet that I've just
00:46:36
heard it sounds to me like she's afraid or suspicious of going with Michael Pack
00:46:40
she comes to the party with pack pack and her work as a team that's her safety net she goes to this party something
00:46:49
happens at the party and now she's afraid to leave the safety should be with pack the safety should be with
00:46:56
leaving the party getting away from whoever it's the opposite of what you think that she would be thinking but
00:47:05
it's not every day you hear on a 911 call hey they're after me or they're plotting to kill me or are you going to
00:47:13
kill me something's not right there and on top of that oh we know what happens she ends up
00:47:21
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