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true crime [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] the Great Smoky Mountains our mountain range Rising along the
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Tennessee North Carolina border and southeastern United States they are a sub-range of the Appalachian
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Mountains and form part of the Blue Ridge physiographic province the range is sometimes called the Smoky
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Mountains or simply the Smokies due to the frequent fog that covers the mountains and which looks like smoke
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from a distance the Smokies are covered with drainages eroded by Creeks with many giant
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Boulders as well as steep Cliffs cut with crevices the landscape also features thickets of
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trees and vegetation that can trap you if you stray from an established Trail the thicket can be so thick that in one
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case it took over a year to find an airplane so you can imagine how difficult it
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would be to locate a single person given that type of terrain Roaring Rapids especially after Heavy
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Rain could drown out sounds of Screams or crying wild cats black bears and a couple of
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different poisonous snakes are a rare but dangerous sight in springtime hungry bears come out of
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hibernation and they are at their most dangerous as there isn't much food but even in the summer they can if provoked
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attack people with millions of visitors annually it is no surprise that some people get lost in
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the wilderness of the Smokies but they are typically located within 48 Hours by dedicated rescue efforts
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what is surprising is just how many people have come to visit only to never be seen again
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these mountains keep secrets there have been a number of mysterious disappearances and deaths that are as
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bizarre as they are unexplained this is one of those stories [Applause] [Music] Friday June 13
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1969 six-year-old Dennis Martin was on his first overnight camping trip this was part of a long-standing Martin
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family tradition of Father's Day outings in the smokies with him his nine-year-old brother Doug his father
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who was a Knoxville architect his name is Bill Martin and his grandfather Clyde Martin the group spent the first night
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in a location called Russell field and they camped with Dr Carter Martin of Huntsville Alabama and his two sons
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Russell field is a grassy clearing in the forest with a panoramic view across the Smokies the next day June 14th the
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group went East on a 90-minute walk to a spot called Spence field some quick specifics of Spence field
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there were two shelters located there now the Appalachian Trail runs east and west through spencefield and there were
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two trails and one Jeep road that lead to and from Spence field to other destinations there at approximately 4 30
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PM the four boys were playing a game of Hide and Seek in a grassy area of Spence
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field and they thought it would be funny to hide and then sneak up and scare the
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adults in their group Douglas and the other two boys went South and then West little Dennis by
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himself headed for a spot to the Northwest towards the Appalachian Trail and into the forest yeah and he went
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into the forest but his father saw where he went to hide literally a few minutes
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later the boys jump out of the woods you know in an attempt to scare or startle the adults gotcha however Dennis does
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not jump out of the woods he does not appear and he was nowhere to be seen very shortly after the adults would
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estimate 10 minutes so at approximately 4 40 PM just a few minutes had passed without anyone spotting or hearing
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Dennis his father Bill Martin was calling out to Dennis and looking for him obviously Bill Then followed the
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Appalachian Trail West for about a mile before heading back and then he headed west again this time all the way back to
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Russell field only to return a loan to spencefield and there's no sign at all of Dennis
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there was nothing of his that was found during this quick search while the boy's
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father was making his journey the grandfather Clyde made his way back down Anthony Creek to Cades Cove roughly
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eight and a half miles and reached the ranger station shortly before 8 30 PM this was to summon help and at this
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point it began to rain very heavily with a very nasty storm well every parent will know this is your worst nightmare
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you could be in the grocery store and you turn and your child's not there and it's like your heart sinks all the way
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to the bottom of your gut well and I want everybody to kind of picture this okay because I think it's easy to work
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through this and I tried to find an exact time that they had left when they woke up that morning and took off on
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that 90-minute walk East I couldn't find an exact time my guess is it would be sometime that morning
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they'd make this walk it's about an hour and a half walk they're there now at this new spot and they've set up camp
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they've spent the day setting up their Camp right this is the time where we're relaxing we're chilling out the kids are
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playing you know there's no work to do we're just going to hang out and chill the kids are playing this hide and seek
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game Running In and Out of the Woods running around having a good old time now they come up with this idea to kind
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of prank the the parents but what's weird and one thing that I can't like Get over like when we cover cases and
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there's those moments where you wonder if if other people feel guilty about something or if somebody second guesses
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one of their own personal actions for the rest of their lives the moment for me is this we have four boys three of
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them decide to hide together in an area and one boy he's only six Dennis is only
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six he's hiding by himself now from what I could find Captain it seems like Dennis was wearing a we know that Dennis
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was wearing a red shirt and what it seems like is that one or all of the other boys had suggested that
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Dennis go hide by himself because he could be easily spotted with his bright red shirt in that area so he's off
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hiding by himself these other three boys are all together they jump out and it's
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like you know at first it's probably like oh you know you got me and then you kind of wait and you wait
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and wait you know where's Dennis yeah why is he not with you guys right and then the boys are saying hey he went
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over that way and he hid by himself and now dad and Grandpa are out walking around calling for Dennis's name you you
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know how it is you just explained it right there but when you call out your child's name when you scream at hey
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Dennis you know you expect him to come running out or at least hear him call back to you well and like I said there's
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multiple reports that say that Dennis's father saw him go into the woods kind of
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watched where he's going to go hide like that's where he's going to go hide and then obviously because they're playing a
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game you you pull your eyes off of him right and I guarantee you that he sees that image of his son going into the
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woods over and over and over in his mind well and you never think you never would
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expect to look away just for seconds maybe a minute or two and then they're gone right and so let's walk through
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this because the official search would begin Saturday June 14th at approximately 8 30 p.m this is after the
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grandfather notif defies the park rangers that hey my grandson's missing and we've been looking for him me and
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his father as well as other people and we can't find him and obviously they have some things working again some
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because of the time this took place they didn't have cell phones to make calls I
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don't even know if cell phones would work there now but some way to alert people and stay in the area and have you
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know the dad the grandfather the kids searching why they have help coming to find you know help find this kid so from
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the the start of this search at 8 30 we have three Rangers from Cades Cove that are checking trails to and from Cades
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Cove all the way out to Spence field and anybody that they come across along their way they're going to you know some
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have said interrogate some say question whatever right but any hikers or anybody
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that they pass on these Trails they're going to ask them hey have you seen a boy what have you been doing you know
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where were you at this time so on and so forth and this produces this produces nothing now the other thing we have to
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keep in mind though is there's a heavy rainstorm and when I say heavy rainstorm I mean two and a half inches of rain
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fell and this occurred at dark all the streams became very high and turbulent at this time and the three rangers the
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family members of the Martin family they continue to search the immediate area for the rest of the night the results
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were negative not only did they not find Dennis they didn't find any clues to suggest where he could have been where
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he was hiding so the day that Dennis goes missing we have three rangers looking for him plus the family and plus
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I believe the other Martin family is helping search form as well yes and we also have other people that are camping
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in the area that are assisting the family and the Rangers because that's how this works you know when the Rangers
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come across other campers they're saying hey this is what we're doing we're looking for a little boy this is what he
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was wearing his name is Dennis and can you help us search from the get-go captain we're going to be dealing with
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several what I would call major issues in the investigation and search for this little boy the first being the obvious
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the the rough terrain as well as the two and a half inches of rainfall that night
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yeah this does not help you find anybody and it also does not encourage others to
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join in on the search well and these are very thick Woods as well so it's not like you can look into the woods and see
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a couple even houses back here and I you're not even going to be able to see that far back what we're going to see
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take place is a massive search effort and the other thing that I would say is a major problem in this case is it's
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it's very important to note that the park itself had no detailed search and rescue plan in existence at this time
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and what I mean by that is those three rangers that went out looking and assisting the family and other campers
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looking for that little boy that night that was as much of a plan as they had okay somebody gets lost we send out a
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few guys we find the person it's all over with don't worry about it right they have no plan for a massive search
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effort so starting on day two the the weather is moderate this is Sunday June 15th now we're going to
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start seeing resources and people coming into the area to assist in this search on this day we have nine jeeps and we
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have three trucks that are used to transport Searchers they search Trails the trail search continues and the
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initial searches of drainages begin all hikers and campers spotted in the area are questioned a large helicopter was
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acquired and was used to haul equipment for a base camp at Spence field the number of search Personnel on day two
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was 240 people yeah now we do have to note that there were poor conditions on that day and there was also inadequate
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food and water for the Personnel involved yeah nothing pisses me off more when I go on to the woods searching for
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a missing six-year-old to see that crafts and services really screwed up the spread well there's no sign of
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Dennis at the end of day two okay and more importantly there's no um actually I should say more strangely
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there's no sign of him there's no clues as to what could have happened to him and one and the other difficult thing
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here is you mentioned the rain and that affects things but having 200 and some Searchers that affects other things too
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because at that point you can't bring in like a specialist or a Tracker to distract the single movements of the
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six-year-old boy you already screwed up the scene by bringing in that many people and sometimes you'll see in cases
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uh of especially a younger child that they bring in a Tracker before they bring in search units right that's
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interesting that you say that because you're exactly right you would have what did we say 240 people just kind of uh
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destroying the scene right right stomping all over the area on day three Monday June 16th the trail and drainage
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searches continued and an intensive grid search of Spence field was conducted several military helicopters arrived to
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assist the news media arrives on the scene and we have 40 Special Forces troops arrive to help as well two
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Bloodhounds are brought in and they are used during day three right again probably would be more helpful on day
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one or two because you have now 200 and some cents that are getting in the way of this dog's work yeah after all that
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rain as well and then we have the Red Cross that establishes a food service operation for Searchers at Cades Cove
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now the total number of people involved in day three was 300 including Personnel
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from the park a local Rescue Squad The Air National Guard and as we said 40 Special Forces troops that brings us to
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day four Captain June 17th now this is an interesting day because at this point we've had no sign of the little boy
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however at 2 30 in the afternoon a set of one shoe on and one shoe off prints are found at this time so the shoe print
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was possibly of an Oxford type shoe what Dennis was last seen wearing now they followed
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for 300 feet until they came to the edge of a branch that feeds Eagle Creek in North Carolina Eagle Creek feeds Montana
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Lake 10 miles from Spencer field even after three inches of rain having fell these tracks were still intact in
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the mud investigators did not examine the shoe print finding in detail because the area had already been searched the
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footprints could have been overlooked by previous Searchers because it was mentioned repeatedly that there were no
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Footprints all over from Searchers the person who found the print used a stick to measure its size in comparison to an
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adult print it is noted that there were no small children involved in the search
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at the time so what does this mean this well that means we need to teach you how
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to say measure well what this does mean is that they concluded that it's a child's footprint right that it's a
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small footprint one shoe is on and one shoe is off correct and there are no children involved in the search the
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weird thing though like we just said is they did not investigate this finding because the area had already been and
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searched and they found no prints they believed that they found no Prince when they originally searched this area yeah
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that's strange seems like a misstep there 100 and the scary thing for me in this is you say
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the tracks are leading towards a river they're leading towards water yes yeah and then I'd want to know how deep that
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water was and because if Dennis tried to cross this water Dennis could have drowned in the water
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well what we have here Captain is we have several Creeks that are flowing into this Fontana Lake or Fontana Lake
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so this lake is huge it this is not a small body of water this is a very large lake so if if we have this heavy
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rainfall that occurs now we have the sweeping creaks and streams that have strong currents that are leading to this
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large body of water if he were to have slipped fell mudslide any reason to end up in one of those Creeks or streams he
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very likely could have ended up in the lake itself well and we have Footprints going in so we have evidence of possibly
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him going into the water but we don't have any evidence of him leaving the water and so not only do you have to
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search the other side but you need to figure out how fast this water is moving and if he did get into water and did get
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pushed around a little bit would he drift down the water a little bit and come out on the other side if he if he
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could come out on the other side the tracks would be somewhere else well keep in mind too we're finding these prints
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on day four the the speed of that Creek or stream would have been significantly greater the night that he went missing
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with two and a half inches of rain falling that night yeah I would argue though to find these tracks this is
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probably happening after it rains because the because they would be deeper so they wouldn't wash away and it would
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also have to be after some of the rain where maybe there is a little bit of rain but you're
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talking about a six-year-old so these are not going to be very deep Footprints right I get what you're saying he only
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weighed about 55 pounds is what is believed so yeah he's not a big giant man who's leaving huge footprints in the
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mud or dirt now I did find some notes from a meeting that was held on Wednesday June 18th this was the
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quote-unquote first strategy meeting and I found notes from several people involved in that meeting but I just
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wanted to go through some of the notes from the chief Ranger so we all have a good understanding of the search itself
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the problems that they ran into and his his notes say first unable to transport men the roads are in bad shape due to
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heavy rainfall that they needed more helicopters the helicopters actually nullified the need for a huge base camp
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at Spence field which they did spend time setting up that huge base camp right wasted time he also noted that the
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helicopters were using jet fuel so they were losing search Time by flying to the
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base for to refuel these helicopters from time to time he also stated that they should be reaching out to North
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Carolina because at some point there's going to have to be a cut off for the search that's being conducted on the
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Tennessee side and if you've covered all your ground on that side he may be on the North Carolina side and you need to
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search there he also said that um here was one thing that was was uh didn't make you feel very good okay he said we
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need a reference map to show areas that have been covered each day and daily so we can record areas covered in the
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effort made meaning they they weren't operating with one big map that they're all looking at and saying look on this
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day we searched here right from this time to this time nothing found on this day we searched here so forth and so on
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so while we have people at the top trying to organize this search it's also kind of loosey-goosey it seems like you
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have a lot of people coming into the area trying to help but we don't have a lot of cohesiveness to this actual
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search look this this happened in 1969 I think because of the lack of Technology the lack of experience with
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putting together search teams the lack of being able to communicate easily with one another that I believe Dennis would
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have been found within a day or two if it happened you know this coming weekend he also makes a note the FBI agent Jim
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Reich was checking the Martin family's background for any possibilities if they were involved right in this
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disappearance of their son or grandson or whomever now the other thing too and this is disconcerting is that we have on
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day five he makes a note to tell select leaders to watch for circling buzzards and know any strange
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odors [Music] all right cheers mates cheers to you Captain let's get back to the case of
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Dennis Martin well I want to discuss um a couple plans that were set up and this was set up by the chief Ranger and
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these were discussed in some of these strategy meetings so the chief Rangers set up two plants let's say plan a plan
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B plan a is what do we do if we find the boy alive Plan B what do we do if we find the boy dead so under plan a the
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boy would be taken by helicopter to the Knoxville headquarters of the U.S marine
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reserves and then by ambulance to the University of Tennessee hospital under Plan B the Blunt County coroner would be
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notified and this is what they had to tell the Searchers because this is a large area so you may have one
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individual that's kind of out on their own find the boy either alive or deceased so we better have a plan or
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organized to relay this information to other people especially if he's alive so we can get him help as soon as possible
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yeah but I I also think the plan if you find the boy dead it almost feels like they had a hunch
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that maybe something went wrong somebody in the family possibly was responsible well we have the FBI that
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was checking the backgrounds of the Martin family So the instructions to finders uh one is if you find him first
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determined obviously if Dead or Alive then notify the chief Ranger by the fastest means available and give
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location in detail if dead the radio code is 10 200 if a live radio code is 10 100 a so if you find him climb a tree
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set a flag also build a fire if you are one of the military personnel use a smoke bomb or some other form of signal
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for a helicopter then stand by while Special Forces repel in by helicopter and secure the boy if alive or if dead
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guard the area until released by the chief Ranger or the coroner so guard the area because we're going to want to to
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look that area over we're going to want to see Clues we're going to see what we can find to tell us what happened to
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this boy if we find him dead yeah now all the reports that you read and there's been obviously so many years
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have passed since this uh since Dennis went missing have you found anything that would lead
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you to any suspicion on the father no 100 no yeah and I'll tell you what and this is you know we talked about this
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very briefly last week and really all I had to offer when we talked about it was I was like this is
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just a this is a sad story and I can't find anything to suggest that the family knew anything other than what they told
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the Rangers knew anything other than what they told the police and the FBI and the Searchers actually in all
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honesty man I kind of think that the Martin family the father and the grandfather might have been searching
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more for this kid than anybody else right and you know and I I know that we we cover a lot of cases and we often say
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you gotta look for the family you gotta look toward the family their whereabouts are fairly
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known I mean there it's it's pretty pinpointed out to us where they were what they were doing at the time we have
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a brief moment you know we have a short period of time where the father is off on his own searching the grandfather is
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off on his own searching but the thing I want to point out here is we have a whole other family of people that was
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there at the time of The Disappearance at the time that it was noticed that this boy went missing yeah where that
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gets confusing is their last name is Martin but they're not any relation I'm glad you cleared that up because I
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couldn't figure that out 100 percent at first I made the assumption that they were uh related and then I found
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um Dennis Martin's father's obituary he passed away in 2014 and I found his obituary to try to check to see if Dr
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Martin was on there as being in relation to him and he was not listed so thank you for clearing that up because that's
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been a headache for me but again the important thing here is if if the his if Dennis Martin's father
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had something to do with this or his grandfather had something to do with this we have a whole other family of
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people that were there at the time that the boy went missing and they're not saying anything they're not saying hey
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the father was suspicious hey the grandfather did he was acting weird we don't have any of that and we have other
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children we have other children that would have been eyewitnesses that could have told police or Rangers something
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was going on as well now we have a search a massive search effort that goes on for over 16 days
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captain and we're not going to go through every detail of that search because I'm going to be talking about it
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for 16 days so in a quick breakdown of that search just just trust me when I say this was a massive search effort
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okay Dennis is not found over the course of these 16 days on one day at the peak
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when we have the most Searchers looking for the little boy we have 1400 people out there and we talked about all the
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helicopters involved we have special forces I think it was recorded that 66 eventually 66 Green Berets were out
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there looking for this boy these are people that are trained to go into areas like this and find someone whether they
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are dead or alive they are specifically trained for this right so when I say that they didn't find the boy here's the
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thing when you have a search for a person a lot of times people on the outside look looking in they're going to
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set the standard of was it a successful search how hard did they try based off of did they find the person right this
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situation while they weren't prepared going into it they adapted as they could along the way they brought in a lot of
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people a lot of resources he wasn't found but it wasn't because of lack of effort there was a lot of effort to find
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this boy well it's not like he's just in a no open field somewhere we have very uh tight packed in woods I think then
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you have the other element of if he was attacked by an animal that animal could have took his body somewhere
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if he fell into a river or a lake or something like that then you know I don't know if they were searching those
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extensively I'm guessing they weren't but you'd think they would search some of those
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they were searching the drainages um in all honesty I thought when I looked through the detailed versions of
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the searches and the efforts made I saw a bit of a lack of effort on some of the
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larger bodies of water in the area I think they search portions of those but not the entirety now right so that's
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those are some of the elements they have going against them yeah we do have Rangers that stayed on and promised the
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Martin family that they would continue to look for their little boy as long as it took right and
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basically we have a meeting that takes place after 16 days of searching where everybody in the meeting kind of has to
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throw up their hands and say well where do we go from here what do we do now and
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part of those people were the Martin family as well the Martin family is saying what do we do we've tried
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everything well let's dive into the there's only one account or a possible account
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the eyewitness seeing Dennis yes so here's the thing if if you believe this Theory then it's likely that Dennis was
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abducted yeah and hold on we're gonna I should preference this it's gonna get a little strange right and I'm not
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laughing at the thought of the boy being abducted I'm laughing at the thought of
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things that have been discussed because of this possible eyewitness account well
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you might be laughing about that because you don't laugh at any of my jokes well
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so on the afternoon that Dennis disappeared we have Harold Key he's 45 years old he's from Tennessee he was
00:33:49
near the Rowan's I hope I said that right but we're gonna go with that Rowan's Creek which is a short distance
00:33:55
away from The Martin family's Campground now Mr Harold Key and his family had been walking a trail in the area looking
00:34:02
for wildlife in particular any signs of black bears nearby when they heard an enormous sickening scream a guttural
00:34:11
ground okay so within moments well look I think that's important yes keys son pointed out a bear
00:34:19
quote unquote a bear nearby now how old was the sun do is that in the report because I couldn't find that I couldn't
00:34:26
either and this is actually a very weird eyewitness account the whole thing about
00:34:31
it's weird um the bear was located up by the ridge this is a bit of a ways from them now Mr
00:34:38
key upon observing the quote-unquote bear his son had spotted determined that this was not a bear uh but rather what
00:34:45
he would refer to as a dark figured rough looking man attempting to well he says that he
00:34:54
thinks that this individual was trying to hide behind some of the Bush there and the man which key didn't manage to
00:35:03
view in clear detail had purportedly been carrying something over his shoulder Harold Key unaware of Dennis
00:35:12
Martin's disappearance earlier that afternoon suppose that the figure might have been a Moonshiner who had you know
00:35:19
was trying to hide from them and upon learning days later there's the key there Days Later of the search for
00:35:27
Dennis Martin Harold Key notified the FBI about what he and his family had seen the same afternoon Dennis went
00:35:35
missing the FBI gets involved right so they actually rule this out as they rule it
00:35:43
as being not connected to Dennis Martin's disappearance because this was about nine miles away from where the boy
00:35:49
was last seen and the FBI's thought here is that at the approximate time that Mr
00:35:55
key and his son see this unkept man is what the theories actually called and referred to as a lot the unkept man
00:36:03
Theory at the time that they believed that they saw this individual it would have been too far of a distance
00:36:10
away for the small child to have made his way there or to have been uh carried by this man
00:36:19
yeah okay so shall we dive into this just just rip right through it or should we get into some other stuff
00:36:27
Captain because there's a lot of weird things here well I think the weird thing is that we
00:36:33
have a kid we and again we don't know the age of saying I saw a bear and I believe after his father says no he's a
00:36:41
disheveled man his son still says Nah it was a bear and that and that's where we have uh
00:36:50
this is where it gets a little strange because normally when your father says no it was a disheveled man and the kid
00:36:58
would go okay maybe it was in this case from what the reports I've read the kid says no it was a bear or at least
00:37:07
something with fur and then that's when uh the coast to coast Talk starts and and when people start saying well we
00:37:17
have this this guttural growl this almost scream which when you hear that initially they're looking for a
00:37:24
six-year-old boy oh it's the six-year-old boy he's the one screaming no it's this disheveled man that's
00:37:31
screaming possibly now again if he's some Moonshiner and he's hiding in the bushes
00:37:39
from you or hiding behind trees from you why would he let out a guttural scream so that's when people start
00:37:50
put it on their velcro shoes and go down into the woods and looking for the Bigfoot the Sasquatch the thought being
00:37:58
that a rogue Sasquatch abducted Dennis Miller well Miller Dennis Martin I'm sorry well let's start with the first
00:38:06
idea of this is that they hear this guttural growl they see this disheveled man or bear
00:38:15
and it's and it's neither one of those it's a combination it's a Bigfoot has something
00:38:22
on his shoulder we don't know if that's Dennis or not so it could just be a weird sighting has nothing to do with
00:38:31
the disappearance people go a little step further and say okay well if this Bigfoot is carrying something and that
00:38:39
something that he's carrying again we have a we know that Dennis was wearing a red shirt I don't think there's anywhere
00:38:45
that they report that the key family saw you know this figure carrying something that had a red shirt or red
00:38:55
anything according to Mr key he could not identify what this thing or person was carrying right or if he was
00:39:06
in fact carrying something at all right and what I'd argue is if he was carrying
00:39:10
this child that had a red shirt on that doesn't mean that the shirt couldn't have left him at some point but
00:39:16
I'm saying if the kids still had the red shirt on Dead or Alive you would have been able
00:39:22
to see that red shirt from the distance that they saw you might not be able to make it out exactly what you saw but you
00:39:28
go while he was carrying something on his shoulder and it was red and that would
00:39:34
lead me to believe that whatever they saw had something to do with the disappearance
00:39:39
um but I don't know look here's the thing it was not a Bigfoot it was not a Sasquatch Yeti whatever you want to call
00:39:47
him it was not that why is that or our thought of that no I don't believe in no I'll get in I'll get into it and I'll
00:39:54
break it down real quick for you but before I do I would love if something like that
00:40:00
existed the world would be a lot more interesting if something like that existed the whole reason I got into True
00:40:07
Crime when I was a little kid was because I was right Bigfoot no I was reading about Bigfoot and and sea
00:40:12
monsters and stuff like that and I got a little older and I was like well this is
00:40:15
not likely there's not a whole lot of substance here let's read about some other form of mystery and that began my
00:40:21
love of True Crime that was my favorite um parts of Unsolved Mysteries when they
00:40:27
would dive into Bigfoot sightings and lock the sponsors because it it seemed like it kind of
00:40:33
you know the The Disappearance or the possible murder cases that when they dove into different things like that or
00:40:40
alien abductions it kind of lightened the mood a little bit well here's why that's not possible okay let's say
00:40:52
the easiest way for me to explain this is that there are a lot of varied reports of this possible eyewitness
00:40:59
account and what I mean by that is there was one original true statement that was
00:41:04
given it at the get-go and since then there have been more fanciful versions of this
00:41:12
same story where people were taking it they're recounting the story and they are giving it their own version they're
00:41:19
spinning it a little bit and some of the versions that I've seen Captain there's
00:41:23
dozens of them out there and some of them are downright they sound like a science fiction story rather than the
00:41:29
actual account right so if you want to break down the actual account there there's some that even refer to this
00:41:35
individual that that say that Harold Key says he saw an ape man he never said he
00:41:41
saw an ape man right he said he saw a dark complected unkept man hairy man okay he said that he saw someone that
00:41:49
appeared to being that didn't want to be spotted by anybody he also said that this individual when whenever they threw
00:41:56
this thing over their shoulder whatever they were carrying they threw something over their shoulder walked away and
00:42:02
Harold Key believes that the individual got into a white vehicle and drove off okay so here's some problems with that
00:42:09
unless Sasquatch owns a white vehicle then it's not Sasquatch that Harold Key saw so you're saying
00:42:18
Bigfoot doesn't know how to drive a car that's what you're saying if he does then he must have done quite the shaven
00:42:27
haircut before he showed up to get his license his driver's license picture taken I look
00:42:33
I'm not saying that you're not an expert on Bigfoot but what I am saying is I've
00:42:37
seen Harry in the Henderson at least a hundred times and I believe he drives a car
00:42:42
well so no I get what you're saying but but I'm regardless if and I'm not here to argue cryptozoology with anybody okay
00:42:50
I'm just I'm just stating the facts are that Harold Key never said or referred to this individual as an ape man number
00:42:58
one and number two whatever he said that he saw he believes that that thing that
00:43:03
person got into a white vehicle and drove away now again um there there was an animal a
00:43:11
long time ago called gigantopithesis I believe that's how you say it and which was a giant ape
00:43:18
figure that that believe they believe walked on two legs so that there would be some sign that something like a big
00:43:28
foot existed at some point now we've had a million sightings but now with technology everybody has a camera
00:43:36
everybody has a video camera in their phone um I have seen a couple videos that I can't watch and explain to you
00:43:47
what I'm seeing and again I'm with you I'd love if these existed where it gets hairy
00:43:58
pardon the pun is this figure gets into a car and if there's any truth to that statement then what he saw was probably
00:44:09
a disheveled man and then these reports of his son say no it's a bear that might
00:44:15
not be accurate and then but what happens in this case you got this missing boy six years old then it goes from Bigfoot
00:44:25
sightings to possible alien alien abductions and this theory that these aliens um when they come down to earth that
00:44:35
they have bases with inside rivers and lakes and these Deep Forest areas and that maybe he was abducted by an alien
00:44:43
then you have other reports that maybe there's portals and I don't want I I'll put this out there I haven't read
00:44:52
the missing 4-1-1 I saw the document documentary I've heard that the book goes more into
00:45:00
The Unexplained as far as portals time traveling portals alien portals um again I look I don't know where the
00:45:12
evidence is you know like I said I've seen a couple videos of of Bigfoot and a couple of videos of alien and UFO
00:45:22
sightings that I can't explain that doesn't mean that they're real so uh I hope some of this stuff exists
00:45:30
somewhere but I don't think it has any bearing on this case at all even though for whatever reason it gets brought up a
00:45:38
lot well I think the this eyewitness account what what I think you're missing here
00:45:44
what I think everyone seems to be missing for some reason is what this man says Harold Key
00:45:51
says that whoever I saw there in the woods whether he was carrying something or not got into a vehicle and drove off
00:45:59
should I miss that no I but no but you you went way out on left field here with with some alien talk and I know that
00:46:06
there's been a lot of it but no no that's not my talk what I'm saying is because of the Bigfoot sightings that
00:46:13
has led to other people that have some fascination with True Crime but mainly their Fascination is in alien sightings
00:46:21
and Bigfoot sightings and time traveling portals and all that stuff and that stuff look I love Coast to Coast I love
00:46:28
listening to um some odd stuff right but what I'm saying is this case people took this
00:46:37
sighting of a disheveled man turned that into Bigfoot turn that into aliens turn
00:46:40
that into time traveling portals and it's just it's just ridiculous you know I believe this case is pretty simple you
00:46:49
have a six-year-old boy that went out to hide and maybe went too far and then as
00:46:56
he got turned around started going okay I need to pop out in the woods I need to
00:47:01
go this way and you said that you know one of the key things that you said is there was a
00:47:08
time lapse of maybe 10 minutes maybe there was a time lapse of 10 minutes again in every case you can go five
00:47:15
minutes forwards or five minutes backwards if you go backwards now you got 15 minute time window that that boy
00:47:21
was missing maybe maybe even as much as a 20 minute time window if that kid got turned around and thought and this has
00:47:28
happened look um when I was in Boy Scouts would go out and play you know hide and go seek and
00:47:33
stuff like that I remember one time getting so freaking confused because we were playing up on a hill
00:47:41
and then I then I took off running went down the hill to hide and then I ended up going up a hill and getting turned
00:47:49
around for a second and started going the wrong way and I then saw some of my buddies like way over and I just thought
00:47:56
oh crap I'm I'm way in the wrong area so is it possible is it very possible the six-year-old boy goes out there to hide
00:48:06
gets turned around and starts I'm just going to head in this direction and depending on how fast he's heading in
00:48:13
that direction now you're half a mile away now you're a mile away right and and you
00:48:21
could be a mile away and and 15 minutes then even if he's not moving quickly but
00:48:27
he's moving in a direction that you're not searching now you're talking within an hour he's three or four miles away
00:48:33
and and you know in in two three hours now now he's he's at that point almost he is a lifetime away
00:48:42
that's probably why they never found him well the key thing that I want to point
00:48:47
out here regarding the story of Harold Key and his son in that possible eyewitness sighting is the vehicle
00:48:55
because we have a statement that says the FBI ruled this out as being connected as it was nine miles from
00:49:03
Spence field it was too far well it's not too far if somebody took the boy from spencefield put him in a vehicle
00:49:10
and drove the nine miles and ended up there for some reason okay it's not true it's not too far for that so why they
00:49:19
chose to rule this out makes absolutely zero sense to me because if this person was the perpetrator of some kind of
00:49:29
crime of some kind of abduction he had access to a vehicle and likely used it yeah no and and where they went Spence
00:49:38
field where they were at you said had two shelters there was campgrounds but we also have two families that are pretty
00:49:46
close together you would think that if this individual saw an opportunity to grab a six-year-old that there would be
00:49:55
some kind of eyewitness either of the man at spencefield or some kind of eyewitness of his vehicle
00:50:03
there so I mean that's the only reason why it seems unlikely to me but we're not
00:50:12
talking about a situation where the Martin family and the other Martin family are the only people in the area
00:50:19
camping or staying no I understand that we're talking about a very busy area with lots of people coming in from all
00:50:27
areas to stay there and spend the weekend no and I understand that as well again now you have more people more
00:50:34
possible eyewitnesses that didn't see a man carrying a child um this child again we don't I don't
00:50:42
know for sure but with this child scream yell whatever and also we have more eyewitnesses that
00:50:49
didn't see this vehicle and you think but we don't have a great description of the vehicle it's not like we have have a
00:50:55
situation where they're saying I saw a white Buick 1986 with a maroon vinyl top no this guy's saying I think that the
00:51:05
guy got into a white vehicle and drove off that's that's as good of a description as you get a vehicle that
00:51:12
could have been white and then we have a we also have a situation of if this man
00:51:18
as described the one that's hiding in the woods Bigfoot well if he is as described you would think he would be
00:51:26
easily remembered he would be memorable to the people staying in the area the quote-unquote unkept man the problem is
00:51:34
I wonder the amount of distance between this individual and the key family as well as the obstacles between them I
00:51:43
don't think that they had a very good I don't think they got a very good sight of this individual not when somebody's
00:51:50
saying it's just it's an animal yeah and somebody's saying no it's a bear I mean
00:51:55
you could you could have a guy wearing a brown sweater at a great distance and he's got some weird hat on and maybe
00:52:02
that's where you come up with this strange description of this individual well and I I think the thing that
00:52:09
is it possible that there's this pedophile out there or our murder or child murder that's out there just
00:52:18
trying to find a victim that's very possible I mean we've seen times with uh Bundy and other people that go to
00:52:25
campgrounds and and to kind of stock prey it's possible the but you always have to look at the
00:52:34
evidence and I think one of the pieces of evidence is when they found the shoe print where there's one shoe print and
00:52:40
then the machine shoe print you're finding that uh oh I don't know how far away it was from the site
00:52:49
that he went missing but I think it was a distance and so again it's like the the eyewitness of the disheveled man
00:53:00
would have to line up with the boy going missing at this time and then when the the shoe prints were found and I think
00:53:08
the shoe prints would have been found after that if I'm correct on that then I think this
00:53:12
disheveled man probably has nothing to do with the case I think if the shoe prints um were there and if they are in
00:53:19
fact part of The Disappearance if they were left there by Dennis Martin [Music] I think they probably should have been
00:53:27
found on day two of the search I don't see any way that the family and some people helping and assisting and three
00:53:34
rangers would have found those prints during the course of two and a half inches of rainfall right so day two now
00:53:41
we do know we have to believe I don't have record of where those prints were found but the inference we can make is
00:53:48
that they should have been somewhat close to where the Martin family was staying because the key word the words
00:53:54
that are used is stating that this area had already been searched and these prints weren't there or not believed to
00:54:01
have been there the first time we searched this we know that when they first started searching they started
00:54:06
searching in the most likely areas first and work their way out that means starting close by where the Martin
00:54:12
family was staying well and that's the other scary thing too though is I mean you said it I believe uh in the trailer
00:54:21
um that took them an hour once not an hour to took him a day one time to find a missing plane it was a year a whole a
00:54:29
whole year wow I need to pay attention to you you were only off by 364 days hey that's not but I want to keep it I think
00:54:38
we should keep in mind you know I've gone over that statement time and time again and I'm like well of course they
00:54:43
didn't find Dennis Martin how would you if it took you a year to find a plane but the plane got there in a much
00:54:50
different way than Dennis would get to where he may be resting right but what I mean by that is
00:54:57
is it possible that they're searching for this child but because he's so small and because the woods are so dense that
00:55:05
you can't see him maybe 15 yards away so he walks by you during the search and so
00:55:12
is it possible that again these Footprints are not left till day two or possibly even day three and then you
00:55:21
go he's here he's been here the whole time we're just not seeing him when we're searching I mean I I again I I don't
00:55:29
know the terrain too well I mean I've seen a few pictures but it seems like once you got into those woods that it
00:55:36
would be hard to spot anything so here's my one of my thoughts and you know it's tough for me to go a whole
00:55:43
case without throwing somebody under the bus or at least bringing up some good questions that I think have not been
00:55:51
looked at regarding individuals and my first question would be for Mr Harold Key the one that has this quote unquote
00:56:00
possible eyewitness statement right he does not report this for days because he didn't he was unaware that there was
00:56:09
a missing person for days I wonder where was Harold Key during the course of those days before he reported
00:56:17
this and what I'm getting at is okay well well I don't think that should be laughed at we've caught we've covered so
00:56:24
many cases where somebody comes forward with a possible eyewitness account why do they do that sometimes they're trying
00:56:31
to create and establish an alibi for themselves they were actually up to no good yeah but isn't his wife with him
00:56:39
well that's no that's what I mean I would like to know where this individual was during the course of those days and
00:56:45
how does it turn into that he doesn't know that there's somebody missing four days when we have statements all along
00:56:52
the way that Searchers when they came across anybody else they'd be like hey we're looking for a six-year-old boy his
00:56:59
name's Dennis he was wearing this have you seen anybody and so he's like well I saw the shuffled man but what I mean
00:57:06
Captain is Bigfoot is when this sighting occurred did the keys shortly leave after that and they didn't become aware
00:57:15
of Dennis Martin missing until they saw it on the news when they returned to their home right and they're sitting at
00:57:21
home in the comfort of their family room and they see it on the news so that's just one question I have I'm not trying
00:57:28
to to make it look like anybody's guilty of anything right what but what I'm getting at is we have a very possibly
00:57:34
important eyewitness account that we have no information of we're fed this account so many times and if you
00:57:42
look into this case like I said you'll find two dozen different versions of this account
00:57:48
and only one of them is correct yet we have no follow-up information on Mr key his family what they were doing why they
00:57:55
were in the area and and where were they and to whom did they finally report this possible
00:58:01
sighting of this man and or this boy well let's get into the other weird story involving this disappearance of
00:58:10
Dennis Martin it's not as weird as bigfoots or aliens but it's still odd so several years after Dennis went
00:58:18
missing an illegal ginseng Hunter claims that he had found a skull in other remains of a small boy or I'm guessing I
00:58:28
don't know how he would determine it was a boy or a girl but state that in the same vicinity
00:58:33
however this person did not report this to anybody officially until 1985 because
00:58:40
the man had feared that he might be arrested for his illegal activity in the area which led him to the discovery this
00:58:48
area was around three miles away from where Dennis was last seen and then a later search of this area yielded no
00:58:56
results so many years after the incident yeah for whatever reason my gut just tells me that this story isn't true that
00:59:03
this guy didn't see a skull or anything I believe that after he told them even though so much time passed I believe
00:59:11
they would have found something some kind of remains This Is A Lie this has got to be a lie I mean anybody that that
00:59:19
would come forward to want to do the right thing what are you gonna do Captain you and I have talked about this
00:59:26
you get rid of your damn ginseng and you go report your findings immediately well
00:59:30
you said it was 1984 when he came out when he finally reported this incident it was 1985. okay so 16 years after the
00:59:39
boy goes missing I mean so if you are telling the truth you're horrible piece of [ __ ] because you waited for 16 years
00:59:46
and if you're not telling the truth you're a horrible piece of [ __ ] because you're lying about it well you know also
00:59:52
keep in mind that when the search was finally you know when it was over they had searched 56
01:00:01
square miles of land 56 square miles of land this guy says that he found this around three miles away from where
01:00:10
Dennis was last seen and here's the other thing that's strange about his statement I found a skull and other
01:00:16
remains of a small boy in this area again years later after years of decomposition how would this guy know
01:00:25
that it was a small boy right you know what indicators told him it was a small boy and not a small girl right and then
01:00:33
the indicators are that he read this story somewhere and he wanted to be a part of it right that to me you should
01:00:40
probably look into individuals like that though you know I mean because it's like
01:00:45
why why does this guy want to be a part of the story again but it also shows that there's also people up there
01:00:51
hunting when they shouldn't be and so again does Dennis go into the woods and get
01:00:58
does he get lost does he get attacked by animal or does he does he find some evil
01:01:04
piece of [ __ ] out there I have trouble with the theory of an animal attack as well
01:01:11
and the reason being is I think there would have been evidence of such I think that we would have found something of
01:01:18
Dennis or some something belonging to Dennis after this animal attack never happened there's no sign of this
01:01:27
boy anywhere oh well I think it's in the documentary missing 4-1-1 or at least in a documentary that
01:01:36
I watched recently where the same scenario they they went up somewhere the boy these kids were playing they turned
01:01:44
around the boy was they were hiking on the trail they turned around the boy is gone
01:01:50
and so then they hightail it back to where the father would stay and say hey we can't find your boy he goes up there
01:01:56
or maybe was the grandfather they go up and start looking they can't find anything and one of the Rangers and
01:02:03
would tell you this if an animal would attack anything it is going to take those
01:02:11
remains with it and so yeah you would argue would you find blood well you're talking about he goes missing we don't
01:02:19
have anybody with any knowledge searching until 8 30 so now it's dark then once it starts raining would
01:02:26
whatever blood would been found at the scene where he was attacked would that be washed away and so my gut
01:02:34
feeling is to me it's this simple I think he got turned around he got lost he either was
01:02:41
attacked you know got lost and moved around for a while and then got attacked by an animal
01:02:49
or he you know was lost roaming around and possibly tried to you know oh if I just crossed this water and you know
01:03:01
uh drown in the water I think those to me are the two most likely scenarios yeah I I agree with you I think we have
01:03:09
a situation where I would say the most probable is that somehow the boy got disoriented
01:03:15
he got lost and for whatever reason ended up in water now that could be a million different reasons as to why
01:03:22
maybe he put himself in water but we all and we also have some evidence of this we do have footprints that lead towards
01:03:31
water and we he the boy's got no food or water no food or drink so did he go towards water to to drink something at
01:03:39
some point the the only thing that I have issue with in this theory is that okay so the average adult would walk a
01:03:48
mile and about a little less than 20 minutes a six-year-old boy okay let's go ahead and expand that out
01:03:55
to about 30 minutes and you also have to factor in it's rough terrain he's not walking on a
01:04:01
paved Road on a flat paved Road this is the Wilderness where this child is walking
01:04:07
his father and grandfather began looking for him if we're to believe the stories
01:04:13
within minutes within a very short period of time calling out his name why did he not return their shouts why
01:04:22
didn't he shout back at them why and if he did why didn't they hear him he would
01:04:27
have been close enough in that time period that they should have heard him so it's it's a very troubling thing
01:04:34
because what seems the most probable of him getting lost and then ending up in the water and if he were anywhere if he
01:04:43
were any anywhere on that property to this day it would be in the water because that's where they had the
01:04:49
toughest time searching that's where they weren't able to conduct proper searches shortly after he went missing
01:04:56
but again the troubling thing is why didn't he call back to his dad and his grandfather and if he did why didn't
01:05:03
they hear him so then my other thought my number two Theory number one would be he got lost and something happened to
01:05:12
him it's still surprising to me that all this time later they've never found anything or you know to tell us what
01:05:18
happened but my number two Theory would be that he was abducted and what I mean by that is some people have said really
01:05:27
all those people in that big of an area and he is abducted that just seems like too perfect of a scenario for the
01:05:34
abductor you the thing that these people are having trouble figuring out is I'm not
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suggesting a theory where Dennis Martin was targeted to be abducted I'm pointing
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out a thought and theory of the abductor went to this location and thought you know what there's going to be a bunch of
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people here there might be unsupervised children I'm going to watch some of the children in the area and if I see
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someone unattended to if I see an opportunity I'm taking it and we have a situation here where if we
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have an abductor who's attracted to young boys well he very well may have been watching those four young boys
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playing together that day and thought you know what I might like to take one of those boys in a situation may have
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presented itself where three boys went off in One Direction and poor little Dennis went off in another Direction and
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either he was enticed by this individual to walk further into the woods or he was
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grabbed up by this individual and you pointed out a very good thing you pointed out a very smart observation
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captain and that's one that I'm having trouble getting over and this is why the abduction theory is my second most
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probable to me is that if he was abducted there would have had to have been some time of this
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individual running with the boy in his arms and nobody ever saw that nobody ever came forward saying you know if
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somebody would have come forward believe you me this would be an abduction this would not be a missing person's case
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this would be an abduction case and they would have investigated as such right from the get-go and so that's a that's a
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smart intelligent observation that you've made and I so those are my thoughts and and I and I apologize that
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I can't have a better answer for you but those seem to be the most likely and here here's the thing as far as the
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abduction goes Captain this is why I can't get over the thought that it might have been an abduction
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there's no trace of this boy anywhere it's almost as whatever happened to him not only removed Dennis but it removed
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everything that Dennis had on his person at that time it removed all trace of Dennis at that time from the area I
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believe we have a search here that was big enough that if he was in the area he would have been found or something of
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him could have been found what's scary here is you know you just look up missing persons from Parks numbers as
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far as over 1600 people going missing this is a lot of people but I think it it shows one that that um
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mother nature and the Wilderness is not anything that you should take lightly right you could just get lost you could
01:08:30
be attacked by an animal you could again you could have an accident falling off a
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cliff something with water so you know be careful out there and and I think the reason why some of these crazy you
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know quote-unquote crazy ideas as far as alien abduction and time travel portals
01:08:52
and dimension portals and Bigfoot sightings and and possible other animals is because there is so many individuals
01:08:59
that have gone missing that we don't have answers to and I think it's people trying to fill in the gaps
01:09:06
yeah and I do want to address two other things that have been pointed out in this case as being quote unquote weird
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okay the first being author Dwight McCarter uh he's the author of lost a Rangers Journal of search and rescue
01:09:22
he had a strange tale to tell about the Martin case in which McCarter in which McCarter claimed that during the search
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for Dennis Martin the special forces units that had been called in had barely communicated at all with authorities
01:09:37
Rangers or civilian Searchers instead working on their own as if in his words they had their own agenda he also states
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that they had been heavily armed as if they were expecting something big to happen and he asked what could this mean
01:09:53
I want to address that real quick here captain I think this this is another way of
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making this story more fanciful than it is than what it actually is he's talking
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about the Green Berets when they came in to look for the boy they were going to work on their own
01:10:09
okay these are this is a unit a Special Forces Unit that is trained highly trained to conduct searches and find
01:10:17
people and remove them from an area okay they're not going to fraternize with the
01:10:24
local Rangers with some locals that helped search that are only going to muddy the waters for them Cloud their
01:10:32
operation they're not going to spend time communicating with those individuals they can do nothing but slow
01:10:38
them down well this is another reason why the Bigfoot Community has said that Bigfoot was involved and this is
01:10:46
evidence of that because when they came in that they knew that they're looking for a boy and it's possibly that he was
01:10:53
abducted by a Bigfoot that's that's what I've read time and time again and the other thought of what could this mean
01:11:00
that they were heavily armed um they're the Green Berets how would you expect them to be armed they're going to
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be armed the way that they're always going to be armed on any search and rescue mission let me tell you something
01:11:13
when they sit down at dinner table they're heavily armed the other weird detail that people bring up is that the
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lead FBI investigator on the case agent Jim Reich later committed suicide okay I'm sorry but people in law
01:11:31
enforcement have a higher rate of suicide than most other professions it's just a fact okay we're talking about
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they want to paint this picture of well Jim Reich must have known something that
01:11:42
the general public didn't and he couldn't take it anymore so he killed himself did he know things that the
01:11:47
general public didn't know of course he's in the FBI right but most likely it was about other cases this guy was
01:11:54
probably he worked a stressful job for many years and who knows what other stressors it added to his life his
01:12:00
personal life and his family life I'm sorry but to point out that the agent that worked this case later committed
01:12:06
suicide it has no bearing on this case itself it means nothing it carries no weight so again Captain we have a lot of
01:12:15
strange theories out there that are interesting to read and think about but they just don't carry any weight yeah I
01:12:21
don't want any hate from the Bigfoot Community I don't want any hate from Aliens or or ghosts
01:12:28
or any Community or time travel or portals of different dimensions I'm into it all I watched some of the craziest
01:12:37
things you've ever seen and then sometimes I laugh afterwards and sometimes I go
01:12:43
that [ __ ] might be real you know it all depends on the day I think but I do find that stuff
01:12:49
fascinating I enjoy it I mean I've been a big fan of coast to coast for years and I I find those they're just puzzles
01:12:57
and they're they're like mind puzzles and I think it's fun to think about and I do want to point out a couple of
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things here too Captain we have the Martin family okay everything that I read states that the grandfather Dennis
01:13:10
Martin's grandfather was looking for the child till very late in his life we also
01:13:15
have his father William Martin William Martin you know one test that he passed that the Martin family passed for me was
01:13:23
they didn't move away he lived in the same home that he lived in with Dennis at the time of Dennis's disappearance
01:13:31
till very late in life and he was married to Dennis's mother for 55 years until he passed away in 2014 and again
01:13:39
everything I read stated that he was looking for his son until he passed away foreign
01:13:58
I hope everybody had a great Labor Day weekend hope it was fun hope you got some nice cold drinks and enjoy the
01:14:06
short work week that's that's the best part of uh you get the great holiday followed by the short Work Week little
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the way many view their world forever on October 2nd 1999 three-year-old Jared anadaro vanished on a group hike in the
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Comanche Peak Wilderness as ours turned into days and days into months Jared's father Alan goes through hell and high
01:14:44
water to combat nightmarish circumstances hindering the search for his son and how about a little
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