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[Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] no Trace yet of a missing 24-year-old
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Gwynette County woman Meredith Emerson disappeared with her dog while hiking in the North Georgia Mountains on New
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Year's Day now investigators are also looking for another hiker they call a person of interest in Meredith's
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disappearance 11 lives John sherik is at Vogal State Park in Union County where volunteers will return in the morning to
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continue their search and John you have uh some very latest information for us about that person of
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interest right Brenda this is a photo of the person of interest the Union County
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Sheriff's Office released the photo and name of the person of interest within the past hour he is Gary Michael Hilton
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of daab County investigators want to talk with Hilton they say they just don't know yet if Hilton had anything to
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do with Meredith Emerson's disappearance all day above Blood Mountain the state Patrol's infrared
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detectors scanned for body heat Below on the rugged ground Meredith volunteers shouted Meredith Emerson's
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name Meredith she vanished Tuesday afternoon during a hike with her black lab Ella Witnesses say Meredith
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encountered an older man on the trail police now identify him as 60-year-old Gary Michael Hilton of decab County he
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also had a dog and now police want to find him too they say he looked like he'd been camping in the wilderness for
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some time what stood out about him everyone said he had bad teeth or no teeth um I'm I'm praying hard family and
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friends Meredith's parents on the trails searching with everyone else they say Meredith is a martial arts student an
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experienced hiker tough let me tell you something Meredith Emerson could do anything she is feisty she is strong
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she's tiny and petite 120 pounds but let me tell you I have every hope that if anybody could she can run those
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mountains investigators are interviewing everyone close to Meredith in Gwynette County her home and in her native
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Colorado and they're interviewing everyone else they can find who knows her trying to uncover any other reason
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she might have disappeared with her dog leaving her car at the trail head parking lot we're following up on
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everything we are following up about her life about her friends now they're not going to give up hope I'm not giving up
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hope um I'm hoping there's a a cave or an area where a helicopter couldn't see it but these these uh Saints on foot
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can the person of interest Gary Michael Hilton was driving according to investigators a Chevy Astro van possibly
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with one of these two plates on it a Georgia tag 76 AZ or a Georgia tag afq 1310 anyone with any information about
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Gary Michael Hilton or the van the minivan or these license tags should call the Union County Sheriff's Office
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the number is 706 43963 8 again 76439 6038 we'll have that phone number and the license tags on our website 11
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live.com Brenda John of course with this information police May in fact get the break that they need in this case but
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let me ask you we began this day as you well know with police just looking for a
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person of interest and some very sketchy details about it how do we uh come to getting a picture of him and a license
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plate ID and the driver's license number and all of that how did that all come together
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we asked that very question and investigators do not want to go into Tales right now they have five or six
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Witnesses they said who saw uh a man that they now describe as this man five or six independent Witnesses they came
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forward separately after uh news of uh this disappearance of Meredith Emerson came out they said we saw a man on the
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trail and they described him and they all give a similar description which investigators say match this man but how
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they were able to tie those descriptions to him they're not saying just yet all right John sherik reporting from Union
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County they're at the Search Command Center and we'll continue to follow the [Applause]
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story this case starts off at a place called blood mountain and we have a 24-year-old woman her name is Meredith
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Emerson and she has gone missing now now the way that this whole case starts off
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is we have New Year's Day January 1st 2008 MH Meredith Emerson is an active smart young woman who often went on day
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hikes with her dog Ella which is a black lab now her roommate wakes up to a note
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on a chalkboard that simply says took Ella went for a hike this is no big red flag here this is nothing out of the
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norm mhm perfectly normal situation now the roommate was very busy with friends on New Year's Day and failed to notice
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that Meredith did not return home that night it was not until the next morning that she started to think that something
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was up Meredith was absent from work on January 2nd which is a big red flag she was not the type to miss work and most
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hikers most Avid hikers will leave a note that they're going hiking but they normally leave some kind of information
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on where they'll be hiking at mhm yeah and and that was not the situation here you know the chalkboard simply said took
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Ella went for hike well when Meredith when her roommate finds out that she didn't come home and then she doesn't
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show up for work they had a mutual friend that worked with Meredith and she contacts the roommate and says look
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something's up here because Meredith didn't come to work today it's at this point that the roommate and some of
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Meredith's Friends start going through Meredith's belongings to try to figure out where she may have gone hiking that
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day they do come across some materials leading them to believe that she would have taken the dog and gone hiking on
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blood Mountain now Blood Mountain is the highest peak in in the Georgia section of the Appalachian Trail and it's the
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sixth tallest mountain in Georgia so this is a very popular hiking destination investigators go to Blood
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Mountain looking for Meredith and they are a little taken aback from what little evidence they do find but this is
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not pointing to anything good this is not positive feedback that they're getting here they find water bottles and
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a dog leash that they believe would have been for Ella belonging to Meredith and
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in the same area on a trail someone had reported finding a collapsible police baton and we've all seen one of these
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before you know uh on the police officer's belt sometimes it it looks like maybe maybe the length of a pencil
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but a little bit fatter yeah this is an item that you would typically find on a police officer on their Batman utility
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belt yeah and this took place of the old billy clubs yeah or night stick but it would have the same effect but it's much
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more portable you know and you could if you struck somebody with one of these objects it's it's like being hit with a
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baseball bat this is an item that comes into play very important later yeah authorities now believe that Meredith
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went missing from this location and that she did not get lost or suffer some kind
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of accident that she this evidence is pointing towards an abduction and they are now asking for the Public's help
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some reports start coming in of Meredith having been seen with a Strang looking wiry old man approxim 50 to 60 years old
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there was a photo given to police of a white van this photo was taken the night before Meredith went missing but in the
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very same area so police are now thinking that this could be connected and they release the information that
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they have received to the public so a be on the lookout is sent out to the public
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with the white van a man in his 50s or 60s Strang looking and wiry this man may have had a red retriever dog with him
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well this gets the police what they are looking for because a man by the name of
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John tabber a business owner calls police and says I believe the man you are looking for is Gary Michael Hilton
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he used to work for me taber's company sold an installed siding and windows and Gary Hilton worked for Taber selling
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siding for about 10 years he tells the police that Gary Hilton is of that age group last time he had seen him he
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looked extremely strange saying something like Gary had told him that he had removed some of his own teeth using
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a pair of pliers mhm Gary drove a white Chevy Astro van and had a red colored retriever dog named Dandy and also
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carried a police style baton with him almost everywhere he went and he also knew that Gary he loved to hike and he
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loved to camp and he did this all the time sometimes he was going to parks and National Force daily to hike with his
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dog or as he would call it you know he is taking his dog for a walk well not only did Taber know that Hilton like to
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carry a baton a police baton with him but he also knew that he liked to hike at Blood Mountain yeah specifically that
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was one of his spots that he would go to yeah and Taber in Hilton's relationship
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is is uh kind of aranged at this point that's a very polite way to put it and and I'm sure that this is all
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information that he's giving to the police that doesn't come out in these news bulletins because you know they
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can't give too much but but talk a little bit about tab in his relationship with Hilton they work
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together for 10 years why don't they work anymore well I think there was some back and forth you know Taber was the
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businessman he was the money and uh Hilton was you know basically the laborer right yeah he he was more into
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the sales end of it he he he prided himself on being if you ask Hilton what his job was he would tell you he was the
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number one s salesman for deciding part of the business this guy thinks fondly of himself to say the least and so with
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uh Taber so I guess there's some there's there's some discrepancy through their business Endeavors and Hilton believes
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that that Taber is not paying him the money right that he's owed so that's not where it stops there it's not just hey
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I'm not going to work for you anymore it's all by the way I'm going to kill you yeah yeah it sounds to me as if some
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for some reason Hilton believed because he was the quote unquote number one sales guy of all time for tabber for all
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these for these sighting uh jobs that they did he believed that Taber owed him a bunch of money and I I believe the
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dollar amount was like $10,000 and Taber shows up and he discovers that Hilton's not really doing
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a good job anymore he's kind of a disgruntled employee right and he's he's just letting things go he's not really
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doing the work anymore after all these years and not only that he appears to either be on drugs or losing it mentally
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you know we talked about that situation where Gary Hilton tells tabber that he had removed some of his own teeth with a
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pair of pliers yeah and it's at this point they get in this this disagreement about the
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$10,000 and Hilton quits the job but all the while he's saying I'm quitting but you owe me 10 grand and if you don't
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give me that money well I'm going to kill you I'm going to shoot you yeah and he is so fearful of his life that he
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actually goes out and buys a gun buys multiple guns to protect himself uh and you know for a possible attack from
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crazy Hilton mhm well and the other thing that Taber knows about Hilton as well is you know he's known him for 10
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years and and Hilton would often come to Taber and tell these stories of these hikes that he would go on and he said it
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was the same story every time that Gary would go out on these hikes with his dog
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and he would get into some altercation with some other hiker out in the woods normally about their dog yeah he he he
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would get like very upset if people didn't have their dogs on a leash or if if they were letting them run wild and
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he assumed that the dogs would attack him on multiple occasion he had been seen correcting or what others would
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call beating some of these other people's dogs right and he would end up in these fights with other people and
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tab said you know it's the same story every time that Gary Hilton tell me about this altercation that he got into
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and Gary was always the victim you know he always fled the scene and avoided some kind of physical altercation well
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right and first of all Gary is very thin he's very looks fragile he's wiry yeah very wi but here here's this guy that he
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believes that he's smarter than everybody oh definitely you know so not only is he smarter than everybody but uh
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he's always in the right he's always the victim you know again we see that he is
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the victim and the whole uh tab's not paying me enough money you know you owe me all this money I'm the victim you
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know then we get into this altercation so uh again this guy just you know thinks the world of himself and all by
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the way he's smarter than everybody yeah now here's a strange thing Captain this
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is on the third day of Meredith Meredith's disappearance or her you know presumed abduction right Gary Hilton
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makes a phone call from a pay phone at a diner and the strange thing here is who
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does he call he calls John tabber right gu that he hasn't talked to in years yeah and he's unaware that John tabber
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has contacted police and said you might be looking for this guy uh regarding this girl's disappearance and what he
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says to John Taber is that he says you know he wants to apologize to JN for how he ended things with JN and the company
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and how he was he says he was sick for a while but now he's much better and he's
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looking for work because he's broke well Taber here he knows that the police are
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looking for Hilton because he he he tipped him off right and tabers going to try to set a trap tab agrees to throw
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Gary some work and he's going to leave him a little money to help it help Gary out yeah about $800 you're exactly right
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he's going to leave a check for 800 bucks and he's going to leave it at this uh one of the company's properties yeah
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it was a rental property and Gary Hilton actually lived there for a while so he figured well I'll lower him to the place
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that he's familiar with yeah someplace that he's comfortable and police go and they stake out this place but of course
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Gary never shows and as this is all going down we have a couple attempts being made to access Meredith's accounts
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using an ATM now the police aren't for sure that Gary Hilton is our guy but they're pretty sure yeah yeah they're
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looking for Gary And as you had said during this time there's three attempts that we know of that someone tried
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unsuccessfully using her bank card uh and this is going to give everybody hope that Meredith is still alive and still
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with us because because these attempts are unsuccessful if somebody has taken her and is holding her for the purpose
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of robbing her they need to get her pen code so they can extract money and this has not happened yeah this is a weird
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thought to me though that people believe that she'd still be alive at this point
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because these attempts could be made after she passed away I mean it you know you you get a number or you don't get a
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number but you have this card and then you're trying to make access so I don't know what leads them to believe that she
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is still alive at this point and I would agree with you they they probably have some information that we are una aware
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of because we've seen this in cases that we've covered and and thousands of cases
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out there in the news that usually these bank cards are used after somebody's already been killed right um I think the
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the thing here is that these attempts were made at multiple different um uh ATMs MH and um I think the thought here
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is is that maybe the whoever had possession of this card and was trying to use it might be getting additional
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information from Meredith as these attempts progress right meaning you need to you got to try it at this ATM not
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that one it won't work or oh I must have gave you the wrong PIN code may maybe they're able to see that you know they
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didn't type in 1 12 34 they typed in 4321 the second time um that that's my guess so if there was different
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locations if there different codes being used that possibly that leads to the fact that she's still alive and giving
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this uh person information is what you're saying yeah and on January 4th a there's a woman at a supermarket parking
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lot uh this is in Forth County Georgia a woman at a supermarket parking lot finds
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a black lab wandering around uh she decides to take the dog to an animal clinic and the dog is chipped it has one
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of those identification chips in it yeah and the dog is quickly identified is Ella as Meredith Emerson's dog the
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missing 24-year-old woman's dog well now we have the dog we have Meredith's dog and we have this person driving around
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all over trying to use the ATM cards right and so now we can assume that she is just not lost right we have we have
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more than we have the pieces that we found at Blood Mountain the piece of evidence you know that were just dropped
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by who who knows and now we have mared this dog so now we can definitely assume that she's just not lost somewhere right
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that she's been taken and she's been held and even though I I don't have the distance right in front of me between
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Blood Mountain and where the dog was found but from my understanding it was a considerable distance and you know yeah
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the Meredith has been missing for a few days so it's not inconceivable to that the dog could have traveled that but
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it's it's very highly unlikely so they find this dog in the supermarket parking lot they've identified it as Meredith
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Emerson's dog and around this in the same area is where they are able to trace the phone call that that Gary
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Hilton had made earlier to John Taber and of course they're aware of this phone call because John Taber set up the
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Trap and they were staking out the the apartment uh or the home trying to to uh right so now we have this solid evidence
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that we believe that she is was abducted no doubt and now we have more solid evidence that hey Gary is our guy yeah
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this uh this weirdo that likes to pull his teeth out with you know he's a that's a he's an amateur dentist uh is
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is the one that's responsible for this yeah and so we know that and we also have a general area where we think that
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that Gary would be or Meredith would be because we found the dog we got the phone call so police are going to start
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scavaging that area they're going to start searching that area and within the vicinity of that phone call and where
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the dog was F found they find some very disturbing items in a dumpster they find
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Meredith Emerson's purse they find her ID and they find some bags with bloody clothing in them there are three
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bloodied shirts that they find in these bags all believe to be Meredith emersons
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and I'm just wondering cuz I mean I hike but not like you know hike hike I'll go
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to local park and go on the trails and stuff like that but it's always just you know for a couple hours I don't ever
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make a day of it so I'm just wondering if that maybe that she packs a bag and then she'd have these clothes with her
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you know maybe to change afterwards if she wants to go to dinner with friends or whatever that she doesn't want to be
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in her sweaty hiking clothes or you're going to dress in layers because it is the winter time uh you might get warm as
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you're hiking and need to take layers off or you may get cold have to add layers or it could rain you know these
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these hikers you know I go out on day hikes but I don't know what I'm doing I'm so amateur I don't bring any
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belongings or Pro Provisions with me um you're an amateur hiker just like Hilton's an amateur dentist that's right
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I'm I'm actually taking the dog for a walk um on this same day on January 4th this is around 8:00 p.m. the they start
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getting some 911 calls there's at least two calls that come in that are reporting that the person of interest in
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the missing Meredith Emerson case has been spotted and he is at a Chevron gas station we'll get to that phone call
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Angie that it's quick beer break and we're back cheers everybody so let's play the clip real quick of the 911
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phone call okay 911 what's the exactly I have the person of interest in that missing woman case is at this uh Chevron
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gas station on asford dunyon gas station asy yeah you said the man is there the van is here the dog is
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the Red Dog and I saw the man's face and I've been watching the news and I know it's him I know it's him he's got a
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green uh long sweatshirt and he's wearing a hat and he's emptying all the stuff out of his van pillows and a
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blanket and it looks like he's got a sleeping bag right now taking it all to the
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trash it's looking around like he's as guilty as Sin okay sir and the dumpster is at the rear of the location yeah the
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dumpster well it's kind of right in the front it's right by the car wash okay I can go take him down if you want
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stay right there okay okay hold on sir he looks like he's finishing up you guys got to hurry he's got stuff in bags that
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he's emptied onto the ground and he's taking load by load to the behind the car wash another this is a third backpack
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we've seen him take to the dumpster I'm just shaking you is there somebody in rout
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yes sir we here comes the cop yes there yes yes they got them they got I mean they
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don't have them yet but they're getting out they got them now two Cruisers pulled up on them two the
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Cs I love that 911 call that that's fantastic they get the guy that they're looking for we have a Good Samaritan
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that calls in spots the guy that they're looking for M they show up in time thank
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God the the the caller sounds a little hesitant like you know this guy's goingon to he's he's almost done dumping
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his things he's going to leave if you don't get here soon what's going to happen this guy's going to get get away
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right and he offers to go and take the Dude down to take him down that's my that's my favorite part well he first
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says hey you want me to go get him yeah which you know uh you I mean the the caller doesn't know that that uh Hilton
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doesn't have his weapon of choice on him but you know like we said before Gary Hilton seems like this little tiny wiry
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guy that so this caller is probably going man I can take him out and then and then also if you just know that that
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that this uh monster that this heinous person is responsible for this 24y old female going missing we don't know if
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she's alive or whatever then the adrenaline kicks in because you know you want to um help the police uh the law
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enforcement in any way you can to maybe save this lady yeah yeah but the thing here is though the caller and we don't
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know what items he has in his van I mean yeah we don't even know if meridith is in the van right and you but you say
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without his weapon who knows what form of weapons he has in the van so the right call is to tell the person not to
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to go attack him here's the difference I think between you and I I think I would
00:30:25
be similar to the caller where he he's almost like asking for permission like can I go take him down you know is that
00:30:32
allowed where I think I would ask for permission and offer my services definitely ask for permission I think
00:30:38
the captain would take him down and then place the phone call that's how I see it
00:30:42
going down if you were at the Chevron station that it's possible I mean but this guy I mean he is wiy but uh I'll
00:30:49
post some pictures on him on the website and then on Instagram but uh he's a he's
00:30:53
a weird looking dude he's weird looking and you said earlier are fragile and I think that he he may appear fragile 61
00:31:01
yeah he he may appear fragile because of his age but I also want to keep in mind
00:31:05
here his background right this guy is an avid hiker and and when I he he would go
00:31:10
out hiking for hours almost daily and that takes a certain amount of endurance and a certain amount of well look man I
00:31:17
sit in a garage and I talk into a microphone that's some heavy lifting I think I could take this take this sucker
00:31:24
down um no but what a weird situation to be in with the caller cuz you know you're hesitant should I take him down
00:31:31
and then you start you're fearful that this guy is going to get away and yeah we have him dumping you know he said
00:31:37
three backpacks of whatever and to me it's almost like now at this point Gary Hilton knows that people are looking for
00:31:46
him he he knows he's screwed you know his his name his face is all over the place yeah and it seems like he's just
00:31:55
trying to dump evidence yeah as much evidence as he can he'll dump and he's probably doesn't he's probably has no
00:32:01
clue that law enforcement already has the the evidence that he dumped at the last dumpster and the thing here too is
00:32:08
it doesn't come through real clear in the in the audio clip that we have but uh you can hear the caller he's kind of
00:32:15
cheering on the situation like as he sees the cops showing up you can hear him going like yes yes yes yes we're
00:32:21
going to get him uh so I I mean I like I like that caller so just like you hear the guy say Gary Hilton is arrested um
00:32:30
and I believe they originally hold him on some kind of vehicle charge and we'll we'll go back to that in a little bit
00:32:37
but the situation is here they through what they find in his van what they find uh in the dumpster yeah and both
00:32:46
dumpsters yeah and the items collected at Blood Mountain along with eyewitnesses saying you know yeah that
00:32:52
is the guy that we saw with with Meredith em Emerson at the time um that they present Gary with this evidence and
00:33:03
Georgia has the death penalty and very quickly there's a little back and forth and he wants to strike a deal you know
00:33:11
he wants them to I will tell you what happened and I will lead you to Meredith's body yeah CU he's claiming
00:33:18
that you know he he killed her yeah and and but you got to take the death penalty off of the table and that's the
00:33:24
agreement that they make he's going to he's going to conf to it he's going to lead him to the body he's going to tell
00:33:29
them what happened and he's going to get life in prison with the possibility of parole which seems extremely strange but
00:33:37
that is yeah how does that work you get life in prison with I don't know if it you know because these these different
00:33:43
sentences vary from state to state and I don't know if that's like a mandatory life sentence in Georgia maybe
00:33:50
they most of them carry a life uh with the pro possibility of parole I think all he was requesting was was a life
00:33:57
sentence though and for whatever reason the laws that are set up there he he has
00:34:02
to get life with the possibility of parole that's weird I think if I was the detective I'd say listen here you
00:34:09
scumbag uh I'll find her and I'm going to charge you with the death penalty just to scare the piss out of him right
00:34:16
you know so of course now we have Gary he's in custody and he's you know we're going to see this situation it's very
00:34:23
much like you would see in like the movie seven or whatever where he's he Shackled he's in handcuffs they're going
00:34:29
to take him out so he can lead them to her body yeah this gives a little closure to the family MH so they can
00:34:37
bury her and you know and our hearts go out to her family and our friends and it's a tragic situation anytime uh
00:34:44
somebody's life is taken away from them but also being uh this uh vibrant uh smart you know somebody that was really
00:34:53
taken on life you know taken Life by the the horns and and and wrestling with it
00:34:58
and and having such success um to have that be cut so short well and Meredith Emerson was a winner you know we we see
00:35:06
this she she was somebody that worked hard she was somebody that studied hard she led an active life she had lots of
00:35:11
friends loved ones she was a winner and she was senselessly taken down by a loser basically a guy that was not
00:35:18
basically I mean right I mean well animal Savage loser but to sum it up douche canoe you know in the shortest of
00:35:26
terms he he's a loser that was out looking to rob somebody and looking to obtain an ATM card and drain as much
00:35:33
money as as possible and in the process killed senselessly killed somebody yeah and so then the cops are going to just
00:35:41
want to know a little bit more about the actual details of the event and that will happen during the confession Gary
00:35:49
Hilton told investigators that he targeted the 24y old woman because because simply that that she was a woman
00:35:55
that that he had come come across her or seen her uh on New Year's Day and that they actually hiked for a while together
00:36:03
um but he couldn't keep up with her yeah so it's not it's not very clear if uh Hilton went to Blood Mountain to abduct
00:36:12
somebody or rob somebody or even murder somebody in this case um or if it was just a opportunity as maybe he was
00:36:20
walking the dog and then Meredith comes along and she is a she is more of a petite girl so I think maybe he thought
00:36:29
oh well with my knife and with my police baton uh I can overpower her yeah yeah and it's um you know I don't know that I
00:36:39
I think it was more an opportunity situation that he probably was hiking and came across her but he did say in
00:36:46
one interview this is a separate interview here that uh he he had said something to I think he was on the
00:36:53
lookout for a potential victim okay because he had said that he he he was broke he he had $40 to his name and he
00:37:00
only had a couple days worth of food and so he knew he was going to have to go out and kill someone those are his exact
00:37:06
words um so very much an opportunity type killing where he comes across this petite woman like you said I think one
00:37:14
of her family members had said she was about 120 pounds um so he sees this this woman that he thinks he can easily
00:37:21
overpower with these weapons but surprise surprise to him is that Meredith uh not only is she an avid
00:37:29
hiker and uh is in good physical health but she's also a blue belt and Jiu-Jitsu
00:37:36
I believe yeah oh well I think SE she she was familiar with several forms of martial arts yeah so she is going to put
00:37:43
up a fight against Hilton yeah he says that when he couldn't keep up with her on the trails that at some point she had
00:37:49
turned back to come back down the trail you know probably looking for him or asking him if he needed any help you
00:37:55
know being the good person that she is is and when she comes back down or she was just done with her hike and she was
00:38:00
turning back around when she comes back down the trail he's waiting there for her weapons in hand um and immediately
00:38:07
he's going to demand her ATM card and he says that she immediately went on the defensive and you know she grabbed the
00:38:14
blade he had a military style knife she grabbed the blade and the Baton that Hilton had used to try to attack her
00:38:21
yeah and you know he says that she has no she didn't even seem uh she wasn't scared at all to the fact of
00:38:29
grabbing the weapons you know especially a knife you know you see these situations in a whr film or whatever
00:38:35
when when the attacker's coming with a knife you know that you've got to gain control of that weapon uh either right
00:38:42
but if that's something you haven't done multiple times then obviously you're going you know you're not going to know
00:38:47
what to do and so he quickly realizes that this girl knows what's up yeah yeah he he says that um she wouldn't stop
00:38:56
fighting him you know she tried she she grabs the blade she grabs no you shouldn't stop figh you know you got
00:39:02
this scary freaky skinny stupid dude uh attacking you and you know you got to fight for your life and that's what she
00:39:11
was doing she's fighting him and she's yelling at the same time which is exactly what you should do so
00:39:17
immediately he realizes that he needs to both gain control of her and silence her
00:39:22
at the same time I I wonder with her having um Ella her dog with her if that was a hindrance on any you know because
00:39:32
you know 61y old so it's like you don't really have to fight him to win you just
00:39:38
have to fight him in order to get free so you can take off running right and I just wonder if by having a dog that is
00:39:46
some kind of hindrance you know well the fight takes them well off of this trail
00:39:51
that they were on and now they're basically in the woods and fighting yeah I think he said at some point they're
00:39:57
kind of like grappling and due to the fighting they actually went down a hill and she actually she actually gets both
00:40:06
of his weapons away from him during this struggle and they're down the hill and this is where he you know he needs to
00:40:14
gain control of her and he does this by punching her in the face and he says he blackened both of her eyes possibly
00:40:20
breaking her nose but in the process he had broke his hand doing so in the fight
00:40:25
well and also so I mean yeah she has some training and some martial arts but how much actual sparring has she done
00:40:32
I'm I'm assuming not a lot so I mean you know coming from any fighting background
00:40:37
one you know once you get punched in the face it kind of becomes a different thing and you might not be used to that
00:40:42
and that kind of might have threw her off guard and maybe even maybe possibly uh even knocked her unconscious on some
00:40:49
level MH and and I believe that had this been a a scheduled fight let's say uh where he has no weapons I think she
00:40:56
would have got the upper hand on him but I think because she was surprised uh and
00:41:01
didn't expect to be attacked that might have got the best of her in the end and who knows he he may have gained control
00:41:08
of her not just by punching her but he may have hit her with the Baton by this point right um he he says that once he
00:41:14
gained control of her he was able to calm her down by telling her that he just wanted her credit card in her pen
00:41:20
number and now that he had control over he needed to avoid established trails as
00:41:26
he needed to lead her back down the mountain and with her dog and get to his van get to his vehicle and if you're in
00:41:35
Mar this shoes at this point I mean what the heck is going through your head because you just had this uh vicious
00:41:42
altercation with this uh nut job and now you're you know he's saying yeah I I just need your debit card
00:41:50
but then why do I need to go back to your van I and I think at this point you the wheels are turning on what is going
00:41:57
to happen to me is it is it just a simple robbery is it just a a you know I say simple but is it just a robbery is
00:42:05
it just um assault or now is this more because now I'm in this individual's vehicle and they the investigators and
00:42:15
law enforcement say that Emerson she bought herself three days by giving Hilton the wrong pen number for her ATM
00:42:22
card and she told him each time that these numbers are correct I don't know why it's not working or you do need to
00:42:28
go to a different ATM machine she's buying her time well and a lot of people probably at this point go well she
00:42:34
fought him at the mountain right at Blood Mountain then why is she why is she not fighting anymore by this point
00:42:41
once they get back to the vehicle Hilton can just lie to her which he I believe he does because I don't believe he has a
00:42:49
gun but he explains to her that I have a gun mhm and by telling her that he has a
00:42:54
gun it that you know she now basically has to be submissive to him because she's afraid he's just going to pull a
00:43:02
gun and shoot shoot her well and you're you're right they they did find several weapons in his vehicle and he probably
00:43:10
used those to keep control of her one of those items was an air gun you know like
00:43:14
a BB gun right um I don't know because some of these Gun BB guns look very much like a toy and sometimes they look very
00:43:22
much like a real gun um yeah and if you have no knowledge of guns then you would
00:43:28
probably just have to assume I mean this nut job just attacked you while you're hiking with your dog and and this nut
00:43:35
job was hiking with his dog as well so you know at this point you just have to believe whatever he's saying yeah and if
00:43:43
you never get a good look at this BB gun right you know if he if he decides not to show you the full piece um maybe you
00:43:51
you you have to believe it's a real gun a lot of those guns you can't really tell from the side it's really just when
00:43:57
you're looking down the barrel where you would notice that something's off yeah yeah now remember the phone call that we
00:44:04
said was made that he had made from the diner when he called John Taber to ask him for money Meredith was still alive
00:44:11
at this time she was being held captive in his van and he had said that he used a you know he used like one of those
00:44:18
long chains and had chained her basically around her neck to secure her to the inside of the van so she's still
00:44:24
alive out inside the van in the parking lot of this Diner while he's inside making this phone call yeah but that's
00:44:30
just horrific you know I mean you're chained into this you know shitty Astro van and at some point he decides that
00:44:38
he's going to have to kill her this is not working out for him he's trying to get the the money from the ATM machines
00:44:45
this is a nogo for him well he says in an interview like it's to him it's common knowledge that if you abduct
00:44:53
somebody the only way you to not get caught is by murdering this person yeah yeah he says it's basic math if you if
00:45:01
you take someone you either kill them or you get caught and at this point when he
00:45:06
does when he does kill her he says that he didn't know that the police were looking for him he actually says that on
00:45:13
one of the days that he was holding her captive he had seen a newspaper and he noticed I I wonder if this was the
00:45:20
second day that that he had taken her because remember the the um the friend were not really aware that she was
00:45:28
missing until some part on that second day right so she would have been reported missing on that second day he
00:45:34
would have already had her for maybe 24 hours at this point and so this might not have hit the newspapers until
00:45:40
technically that third day that she was held captive right and at some point he says you know he sees a newspaper
00:45:47
there's no mention of Meredith Emerson's name in this newspaper and he he says to
00:45:52
her that they had a conversation about you know their they're not even looking for you your name's not in the paper if
00:45:58
they were looking for you your name would have been in the in the newspaper this may have been a taunt
00:46:03
right but this is just a lonely piece of [ __ ] individual that for some reason you
00:46:08
know Mr always right Mr so freaking intelligent right that's his that's what this guy thinks he is he thinks he's the
00:46:15
number one salesman of all time you know he's he's God's gift to this green earth
00:46:21
and so this is his way of going look nobody gives a [ __ ] about you well because nobody gave a [ __ ] about you you
00:46:28
know like nobody G gave a [ __ ] about Gary Hilton because he was a he was a horrible individual he was not nice to
00:46:35
people he didn't have friends he was a loser and so he was then you know reflecting all his inner T term oil and
00:46:44
all the stuff that was going on wrong with him and saying look nobody's looking for you nobody nobody loves you
00:46:52
mhm yeah and the other thing here too is back this is another newspaper this is on the
00:46:58
final day on January 4th when uh the morning that she was still alive he had killed her some point that morning but
00:47:06
he had said that he later that day had seen a newspaper and his face was on the front page right this is after they're
00:47:13
looking for him they've already identified him as as the number one person of interest in this missing
00:47:18
girl's case right which he's probably thinking how the hell do they know but maybe he's also thinking that somebody
00:47:25
saw him why they're hiking and he says you know that um you know I had I would not have I would not have killed her had
00:47:35
I seen that that newspaper instead of that afternoon if I would have seen it that morning and again it goes back to a
00:47:41
[ __ ] liar because he he said earlier simple math you abduct somebody then you kill them but it's in that same
00:47:50
interview that he says this is the reason for that that had he seen he seen that newspaper that that morning he
00:47:56
would have realized he was already caught and what he was saying was that oh so he's saying if he would have known
00:48:01
he was already caught that he wouldn't have killed that he would have released her right and and it because it now you
00:48:08
have a kidnapping charge instead of a murder charge and and his thought was that you know as he said it's simple
00:48:14
math when you take someone you either kill them or you get caught now if you're already caught meaning they
00:48:20
already know who did this then you don't kill them it makes no sense according to
00:48:24
him yeah I mean this guy is just a he's a lunatic I mean and then the other thing that he did was when he so he
00:48:31
chained her up and basically went back to his van to get um you know um a crowbar or something but he when he
00:48:40
chained her up to this tree basically said I'm going to let you go mhm so you know poor Meredith actually thinks that
00:48:47
hey maybe this is this whole ordeal is over with well well and she actually starts to think at some point that he
00:48:54
has tied me to this tree or chain me to this tree and and now he's not coming back you know this this is his way I
00:49:00
guess of letting me go or just or chaining me to this tree and just walking away right and then he comes
00:49:05
back and he you know he murders her with the the Crowbar yeah and he of course he
00:49:10
waits till she's not not looking um and he's he's taking her from the tree and they're walking and he basically from
00:49:19
behind he attacks her with that tire iron um hitting her over the head but there were several things that mer
00:49:26
did that if she didn't do Gary Hilton might have got away with all this yeah and it's it's I mean it's the stuff of
00:49:32
Heroes right I mean she defends herself to the point where she's able to take these weapons off of him in the middle
00:49:39
of an attack I mean that that is so incredibly Brave of her first of all and second of all like you said it leads to
00:49:47
his capture so if had that baton not been found that that was found on a trail that that other hikers were
00:49:54
walking up and down and and they reported it to law enforcement and here's the thing well and then also once
00:50:00
the the once her friends and family report her missing they then come back and they find the knife right so we find
00:50:07
multiple weapons and now at this point the cops are going hey there's something up so then the cops then present that to
00:50:14
the world and because of because of the cops presenting that to the world then we got uh the eyewitness or the the lead
00:50:23
from you know ex employer of Hilton and that leads to you know people on the lookout for Gary in that area yeah yeah
00:50:34
had that baton not been found um I mean think about this because all they would have found in that situation would have
00:50:41
been the water bottles and the dog leash which doesn't immediately I mean it presents you that she's probably missing
00:50:48
if those items belong to her but as soon as you hear about a weapon involved and
00:50:53
then you see there were obvious signs of of some kind of struggle you know leaves
00:50:58
and things were were Disturbed on the ground in this area where they had where they had fought one another for some
00:51:05
time and that baton found and that tips you off that there's we have a big problem here I think it wasn't until
00:51:11
later um that they had found the uh it was a bayonet or a knife of some form uh they they ended up using like a metal
00:51:20
detector because it it was kind of you know as I said the ground was Disturbed and it was underneath leaves and debris
00:51:26
and such that it wasn't obvious to anybody in the area but once they found those weapons because of her bravery is
00:51:32
what what tipped them off and what what sent Gary Hilton on a path to life in jail well and the other thing there too
00:51:40
is that she kept giving him the wrong information on these on the debit cards or the ATM cards and again it's one of
00:51:49
those things where if she would uh depending on her actions he could have just killed her you know and just you
00:51:57
know just been done with it and then he just drives away yeah he could have been
00:52:02
long gone but the fact that you know she basically kind of keeps up this struggle
00:52:06
for you know 4 days or 3 days then it's like it it accumulates into him being caught mhm I want to talk real quickly
00:52:15
here about this vehicle charge cuz remember earlier we had said that when he was when Gary Hilton was picked up at
00:52:20
the Chevron gas station right uh the Good Samaritan had called in that arrest him because obviously he's a person of
00:52:28
interest in this disappearance case and they had found bloody clothes earlier but they actually arrest him and I
00:52:35
believe they held him on a vehicle charge and um I'm not I'm not 100% uh of understanding of this vehicle
00:52:45
charge here but I'll go through it best that I can and the reason that I bring it up is because this has been a topic
00:52:50
of discussion and a topic of ridicule regarding law enforcement regarding the Gary Hilton case right so before before
00:52:59
Meredith Emerson was abducted Gary Hilton was he had been pulled over and he actually had a warrant out for his
00:53:06
arrest at this point basically what had happened was that he had parked his van illegally parked his van on federal
00:53:14
property this was probably at one of the national forest or state parks that he frequented and they say that he had a
00:53:21
warrant out for his arrest on this charge what what is probably most was that he was ticketed for a parking
00:53:27
offense and when he failed to pay the ticket or appear in court to contest the ticket then he received a bench wart for
00:53:34
his arrest that's what I'm what I'm guessing anyway well it might not have came up in the system just depending on
00:53:40
what area I mean he might have had a warrant in a different County yeah yeah so so if he's in you know if he's in one
00:53:47
County gets the warrant the other County it might not show up in their records and the reason yeah the reason why there
00:53:53
they've caught a lot of flack for the this was because he's pulled over they run a check on him for whatever reason
00:53:58
this doesn't come up in the information so of course the thought here is that if
00:54:03
someone had not dropped the ball then Meredith Emerson may still be alive he may have never had the opportunity to
00:54:09
abduct her yeah yeah but I I don't know I I think that's uh that's put in a lot of again just the way the system works
00:54:20
and and how they put it in in the system for the officer to check I mean it was it something that he missed you know
00:54:28
again who knows I mean cuz then they arrest him he gets out of jail still goes to Blood Mountain Still finds
00:54:36
Meredith she's still I I don't think you can put that on that officer or goes to
00:54:41
the National Forest on a different date finding a different victim exactly and then and I think the other thing too in
00:54:46
this case is how hard it would be for the detectives involved I know that the lead detective it was his last case that
00:54:54
he's ever done MH and um and so you have this you know most of these detectives have daughters or have sisters or
00:55:02
whoever mothers and and and you you fear for this girl's safety and as she's missing you know and once you now know
00:55:10
that she's not just missing but possible abduction now it's we need to find her before she dies you know if she's not
00:55:19
already dead yet and so that the the mind [ __ ] that that would be as a detective you know what I mean well
00:55:28
they're waiting for a call to come in I mean they've done everything that they've could they've they've put
00:55:33
everything out to the public they receive feedback from somebody that knows this individual that now they have
00:55:38
a suspect well but you're not waiting for a call that's what I'm saying you're not because you also have you know the
00:55:44
license plates of these vehicles right so that's what I'm saying it's it's just you're actively investigating you're
00:55:51
following every lead that you can but ultimately I'm I'm telling you you interviewed those detectives in the back
00:55:56
of their mind they're always going we're waiting for a call because we've pushed
00:56:00
this stuff out to the public for good reason we need as many eyes on this situation as possible we need somebody
00:56:06
to spot this guy spot this van see the dog make a phone call you you're not sitting there on your hands waiting for
00:56:13
a phone call you're actively investigating but you know the best chance of catching up to this guy is
00:56:19
somebody in the public seeing him and making well yeah or you know another cop seeing it you know but but
00:56:25
the the stress that that would be you know and then and then to find out uh when you do catch helden and he says hey
00:56:34
well look I I murdered her I mean and what the detective has to go through at that point because you know and the
00:56:41
detectives said too that you know for whatever reason um Meredith Emerson's parents for some reason on this case
00:56:51
they normally hold withhold a lot of evidence from the family or or hold back a lot of stuff that was going on with
00:56:58
the case they actually presented a lot of this stuff to the family as it was happening yeah I believe he said
00:57:04
something to the fact like after he had met her parents it was quickly decided between him and the other detectives
00:57:11
that they were going to share every bit of information we can't hold it back I mean probably their person you know the
00:57:17
the the good nature and the personality of her parents is is probably a big part
00:57:21
of that but the other thing too is you have a situation here where it's very it's it's practically obvious from the
00:57:28
get-go that this is not a situ a family situation this is not a family abduction
00:57:34
or a family attack this is not you don't need to look at those parents or family
00:57:38
members as suspects yeah and I but I also I also think that in this situation uh and just the little bit of
00:57:46
background that we know of Gary Hilton at this point I think it's like you you you're open and honest and forthcoming
00:57:54
with information knowing that the chances of this turning out well is probably not going to happen I mean
00:58:01
you're hopeful but chances are it's not going to turn out well so by sharing the
00:58:07
information that you're learning with the family you're almost preparing them for the worst outcome yeah and I think
00:58:13
that that's why they point out that anytime they got a hit on that bank card was there there was a little sign of
00:58:19
Hope a little possibility and you know I don't want there you know nobody wants there to be more victims or anything
00:58:25
like that but you know the the other strange amongst all the other strange and and cruel behavior in this case but
00:58:33
a strange thing to me was he let the dog go the dog was just wandering around and
00:58:38
he says later in an interview he couldn't bring himself to kill the dog I mean these Psychopaths they make little
00:58:46
to no sense in most of these situations yeah and uh then the other sad thing I mean kind of the closure of the closure
00:58:55
of the confession and everything is when they do find her body I mean she is headless I mean he did decapitate her
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and he basically makes claims that he did so because it was about identifying the body yeah it was for forensic
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purposes he he wanted her not to be identified again I think this goes back to this idea that he thinks he's going
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to be able to because even when he sees himself in the paper and all that stuff I still think he thought he can outsmart
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everybody yeah I mean he's driving around he's dumping things in different dumpsters uh he he was making all the
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moves to get rid of the evidence get rid of anything tying him to Meredith Emerson and then get out of Dodge and if
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that's not horrific enough and all these little tiny events you know all these little happen stance events events that
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happen uh to lead to his capture meanwhile as there's they're reporting that this girl is missing and possibly
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abducted there's other law enforcement agencies out there going wait we have similar cases now now we have uh we have
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a missing person we have bodies that we found and they're starting to link is you know they're starting to question I
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guess is this the work of Gary Hilton yeah you're exactly right there are cases out there that have not just
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similarities but strong similarities almost the exact same Mo uh people that have gone missing in in National Force
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people that have been found in National forest and they're they're going to use things that they find in his confession
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as well as items that they find and evidence they find in his van that may lead them to other murder charges yeah
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so the law enforcement at this point is going you know we might have a serial killer on our hands and in custody
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that's what we'll dive into tomorrow uh what's the recommended reading for this week uh this week we are recommending
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the yosity murders by Dennis dogall um this is a case that takes place on on the other side of the United States in
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one of the biggest parks in the country uh it's a on the trail of murder in Mayhem um by Dennis McDougall it's the
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osity murders and you can pick that up by going to True Crim garage.com and check out the recommended page we have
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several books on there as well as some movies and you can use our Amazon Banner to pick up any of your true crime books
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or movies and thanks so much for listening thanks so much for telling friend the support the last year has
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been overwhelming and uh we just keep uh you know we we talk so much there's so much in this case and there's so much
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that involves other cases and a couple big profile cases that are pretty big in the True Crime World um that people
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think possibly Hilton is linked to and we'll discuss that tomorrow and uh kind of go into a little bit of backstory
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with Hilton as well but again thanks for listening thanks for telling a friend and much love and until tomorrow be good
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