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[Music] in reviewing this HK planning document that is often been referred to by Yours Truly by the captain and by
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several others as a blueprint for murder we discussed the four category section of underlined headings in the those
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headings were problems supplies DS and TRG we haven't got to the supplies yet here captain now one thing of concern
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for the author of this document was the trace source of the supplies so this author is concerned
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that the supplies that they would be using for their murders could be traced back to them so what are those supplies
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well we have a nice and tidy list here and the items listed are as follows booties lie SL acid police scanner rope
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cord saw SL cutting tools hair nets photo film burn can foam drain cleaner body wash SL wipes tarps SL drop cloths
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medical gloves bags SL tape large electric well says e EC Clips I'm assuming that's electric clips and
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ratcheted cargo strap a lot of these are pretty self-explanatory I think uh police scanner of course you you're
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going to want to be notified if police are on the way or keeping tabs on your opponent if you will because you you're
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trying to avoid detection you're trying to avoid interaction with police you're trying to avoid police getting hot on
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your Trail booy would be to put on your shoes put on your feet when entering a space lie which is misspelled here/ acid
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would be I'm guessing to increase the rate of decomposition rope SL cord could be used for various things obviously to
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bind and control your victim and then unfortunately we know some of the victims that Rex her
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has been charged in their deaths were dismembered and so we have sa/ cutting tools which would be used for various
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activities but we can make the Assumption in the leap here that those items he listed were used in the
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dismemberment of the victims we talked a little bit yesterday about photos uh and
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this could be photos of a lot of things it could be photos of the crime scene and it doesn't have to be the crime
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scene once the the the body has been dumped or once the crime is committed it could also be for reconnaissance
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photographing areas photographing potential victims photographing vehicles or some some space or a structure but
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the photo film I I firmly believe very likely has to do with him wanting some kind of documentation to keep in his
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possession for a period of time after committing these heinous acts and then the burn can it's been discussed that he
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had a burn drum in his backyard if he's saying that one of his supplies for his blueprint of murder for these murders is
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a burn can then he's probably burning some of these photographs he's probably burning some of these supplies right he
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he list as a problem for fingerprints inside of gloves yes just burn the gloves burn the gloves burn the the
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medical gloves and the what you're seeing here under his list of problems too some of this yeah he's probably come
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up with on his own but some of this he studied others that are like him and noticed ways that they were caught ways
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that they were detected ways that they were apprehended and what was used against them in court and so not only
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were these are these problems for him he knows these that they could be potential
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problems for him because they ended up being problems for people that were like him that were doing similar activities
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to what he is either doing or intends to do or is doing and intends to do further
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well like you were saying this is kind of a a checklist almost like something that he was going to reference you'd
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think on this list he would put control urges to want to kill and to destroy victims right maybe go to church would
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be uh something that at the top of your list but the control urges to want to kill and destroy humans yeah if you read
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that first maybe you don't go to to step two maybe be be a good husband and father to my family by not killing
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innocent people yeah we've already come up with the idea he's he's come up with the wrong list
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yeah but trash clearly is clearly this is he's not capable man he's not capable of being any of those things that we
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just discussed he's only capable of being this monster and again look maybe I'm I hate to keep bringing this up but
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I could be wrong like I said I to me this looks like some worksheet you would get at Sunday school but it could it
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might not be exactly the way he formatted it this could be law enforcement formatting it for so it's
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easy for us to digest so if that's the case I apologize yeah I don't think you need to apologize to this ogre here that
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we're talking about but no no I'm not apologizing to him I'm apologizing um to if somebody is talking
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with a friend and they go you know it kind of looked like a worksheet and somebody says well that wasn't the way
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he set it up the way law enforcement presented it um that could just be my speculation that he he presented it in
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this weird way well in the bail document that we that we're talking about here the I'm sorry the bail application from
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June 6 2024 this document is printed and provided and it's it's a legal document
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that was filed with the state of New York and in it it says it discusses some of these items and then it says see
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embedded excerp on the following page so when I see the word excerp I take that to mean this is directly from the
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document that we are referencing meaning like the the look of it the format of it
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and what the reason why I go on with that Bel here Captain is there are a good number of
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misspellings which makes it a little ult for me to read off the the list here at
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times but there's misspellings that if this were something that you were simply that law enforcement or the prosecution
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and their team were putting together simply as a presentation to the courts right they would have corrected
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those misspellings right where here with leaving them it it's a bit of an indicator to me
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that maybe we're looking at it as this might be a screenshot of of of what they viewed when they when they pull it up on
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a computer when they did the file carving and carved out this file and what it looked like and what they were
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seeing here I got a question for you here Captain yes because this is something that that law enforcement does
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not try to explain the district attorney does not try to explain this but the title of the planning
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document the title of the blueprint for murder H it's HK 22-04 well obviously the it seems like
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that's they're stating a year the author is stating a year 2002 to 2004 that seems pretty standard practice there
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what does HK have you thought about what HK could mean or what it may mean and what was the initials found on the Belt
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depending on how you look at the belt the the initials on the Belt would have been wh I want to make sure that I'm
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saying this correctly it would have been either hm or wh so that doesn't line up
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and and frankly hm or wh doesn't line up with Rex Herman's name but there's thought that his was it his grandfather
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was William heran yeah and so there's some thought that it it may have been his grandfather's belt
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or maybe his father's belt and if he inherited the house he could have inherited the house from his
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grandparents yeah so could it's been an item left in the house we do know that he has a brother he obviously would have
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followed this in the news and he'd go okay well they they're calling it The Long Island serial killer but maybe he's
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calling it something else HK something killer yeah so that that's where my mind goes because what I'm thinking about is
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the date right the the author of this document has provided some reference to date in the title 2002 to 2004 well the
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Gilgo 4 were not discovered yet they wouldn't be discovered until 2010 and so the name the Long Island serial killer
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or Lisk doesn't really exist until after the finding of those remains I I thought
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long and hard about this what what we do know let's compare them to somebody that
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I don't want to say they're exactly like because I actually find them to be quite
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different but there are some similarities we reference BTK Dennis Raider already and we do know that
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Dennis Raider did the same type of planning I don't know that it's been confirmed but we saw in the
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dramatization on the great Netflix show mind hunter that for some reason only lasted two seasons everybody's still in
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an uproar about it well it's cuz David Fincher does too many shot and it he racks up a giant Bill and he
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and he works on like a bazillion different projects right like it's like he's he's really good at what he does
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and I think he has a hard time saying no like everything seems like a great idea
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well do you remember the scene in mind Hunter where uh bill is outside his house and he's barbecuing for some
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people mhm I think he said that they did 50 some takes of that John Douglas told
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me that they did 70 I think he said 73 takes of of Bill tinch barbecuing that's insane yeah the
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the man is a perfectionist with the burn can we know in the dramatization of Mind
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Hunter it shows Dennis Raider tossing drawings and journal entries and even photographs possibly into a burn can we
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do know that we do know this from his his interaction from letters that he sent to the media or to police that BTK
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attempted to give himself his own name knowing that at some point the media or the
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police or the public would create a name for the serial killer now if you have this giant ego which I believe Dennis
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Raider thinks very highly of himself for reasons unknown right no nobody else thinks highly of him but I think he had
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I think there was a part of him that was worried what if you get a bad nickname a
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bad moniker from police or from the public or the media right like we talked to we've covered the the weepy voice
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killer uh that's not really a name that you want to get and so P killer tiny pee PE killer
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yeah it's not a good one I think it's just the Haman like Haman killer could be the the H could stand for his last
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name but there implies that he's going to be detected he's going to be identified I'm I'm known as the heran
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killer where BTK actually provided a list of suggested nicknames in monikers for
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himself in fact in in today's recommended reading there was a there was a lot of talk about the serial
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rapist that was dubbed the name the stinky rapist I'm guessing that's that that's
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not a name that anybody desires to have the stinky cheese rapist we'll never know until hman tells us if he chooses
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to because right now he's he's saying he's not guilty of any of the charges that he
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faces and look I apologize for the terms here the terminology here but I'm I'm just trying to
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guess he's killing primarily from what we can see what he's been accused of all of the victims have
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been escorts or sex workers was did he think at some point they might call him the hooker killer or or let's think
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about proximity or location the Hampton's killer that's the only thing I could really come up with here the the H
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makes sense as you pointed out because it is the initial of his last name the the really disturbing thing here on
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amongst the other items of supplies is the ratchet cargo straps that to me means
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like those the straps that I use for my truck that you can you you throw something in the bed of your truck
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especially if it's heavy large object and you put this those big straps on it over top and on the on the back of the
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item and you crank them down right and they're they're like impossible you have to release that Crank that lock on that
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crank before you can release that item and when we get into some of the other items that we haven't
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got to here yet I wonder if he's using those cargo straps to strap down a victim because he he could be using the
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cord or rope that he that is listed here that we previously discussed but it's never referenced as those as
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being bindings so he's using something to control these victims and he certainly seems to have a desire to
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torture them and you cannot torture a a dead victim I'm sorry I apologize for saying these things but but you can
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torture the body you could you could you could degrade right yeah yeah that's that's a proper word yeah and desecrate
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the body but you can't torture he references torture and so he's a sadistic stist
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he's a stist a sadistic killer and Aus gets off on implying pain delivering pain and
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seeing and visualizing and seeing the pain and The Agony and the terror of the victims es specifically in the eyes and
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the face of the victim I'm kind of I've kind of had enough of supplies I'm ready
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to move on to the next line item if you are captain please do okay thank you DS is underlined it's a category here one
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of the four categories I'm guessing dump site right because underneath it with the listed
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items he has is ds-1 M Road ds-2 question mark question mark question mark next item is dump site and
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then he there's a notation there that says next time Recon dumpster locations okay so if DS does in fact
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mean dump site one mil Road well we know that in the area of mil road we have at
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least one if not two of the victims their partial remains were covered there so if we go through that and we
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have DS1 and then the next item is DS2 question mark question mark it appears to me he's he wants more than one dump
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site for each victim because he's dismembering the victims he's trying to avoid the victim being identified
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therefore it makes it more difficult for he the killer to be identified and so he's putting the remains in more than
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one location therefore he's got two dump sites for one victim dumpster site I think is his plan for getting rid of
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some of his materials and supplies that he used in that murder yeah or like you said if he's dismembering the bodies
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then you maybe you have a dump site for part of the victim and then and then dispose of the other parts through
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dumpsters I mean we've seen that in in several cases with other serial killers yes but those would be unknown victims
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then because the victims that we have recovered were not recovered from dumpsters they were recovered from
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different dump sites MH their their complete remains took some time to find all of them sorry for for again is it
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it's called True Crime garage you should know to to even hear I I have no problem
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reading these things I have no problem thinking about these things sometimes I have difficulty saying the things H loud
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right right um it it it turns my stomach and so when I sometimes when I'm saying
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sorry I'm apologizing to my damn self I shouldn't ate that burrito sorry Colonel
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TRG is the next item here that is category that is underlined and we talked about BTK Dennis Raider he called
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his victims and or his projects PJs it's generally understood that he's he's saying targets here TRG meaning targets
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and underneath this category he has listed T1 Megan which unfortunately we have a victim that he's being charged
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with her murder and her first name is Megan then he lists small is good meaning does he want a smaller victim a
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more petite victim a lot of these victims that he's being charged with are petite women petite is good for many
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reasons for him easier to transport easier to move especially dead weight also his size versus their
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size very easy to overpower and control this next one here is States [Music] t-k black to me that likely means T
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Target unknown black so was he targeting an africanamerican woman at the time or desired to and if
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in fact he was targeting an African-American woman or desired to and let's say let's pretend for a moment
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that he ended up doing so this might be a big indicator that there's a victim out there that we are unaware of because
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currently the victims he's been charged with do not fit that description and you
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wonder if they found because like we said two properties did when they did the search initially of
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his house and of the other property did they find similar items or did he just decide that when he would go to a
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different location he wasn't going to risk not having home turf if you will mhm yeah and the prosecutor's office
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here outlines or or goes into some of their thoughts about this this particular portion of this document
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stating the remains the human remains of Jessica Taylor discovered in 2003 as well as the remains of Valerie Mack
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discovered in 2000 were dumped in two locations one of those locations being the vicinity of mil road which is listed
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in this document as a DS number one right and then it states on March 29th 2011 M Taylor's torso skull and hands
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recovered near Ocean Parkway and they're saying possible second dump site for that same victim's
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remains and the document goes on to read on April 4th 2011 Valerie Max skull hands and right foot were also recovered
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near Ocean Parkway also a second dump site the recent discovery of this document prompted the April
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2024 cadaver search of the Manorville area which did not yield the recovery of any additional sets of human remains th
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so this is intriguing because this document comes out this press conference comes out in June of
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2024 and what they're what it's doing here is not only backing up what they're already saying hey look this guy's
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responsible for the the Gilgo 4 victims that were all found on on the side of Ocean Parkway and the burlap bags
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roughly about 500t from one another so it's very easy to to for anybody even a lay person that doesn't know anything
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about serial killers to go you know what those four victims that were found all in the same fashion in burlap sacks on
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the side of the same road very near one another that's probably connected well what's intriguing here is at the time of
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this document put together by the state Rex Herman's not charged with the murder
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of Valerie Mack and not charged with the murder of Jessica Taylor but what they're pointing out is while we found
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some of their remains near this Mill Road Again Mill Road referenced in this document we found other remains of both
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of these victims in the vicinity of Ocean Parkway near the other four victims the the Gilgo four victims
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the blueprint of murder cheers to you Colonel and Merry Christmas you filthy animals Merry
00:28:05
Christmas to all happy Hanukkah happy K Quanza I celebrate All I every one of them because it's once a year baby we
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might as you got to live it up it's once a year I I do it all I even celebrate with
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the people that don't celebrate but I'll tell you what I no that's what I do not
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do if you don't celebrate stay away oh no my thing is if you don't celebrate I won't celebrate with you
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that's right if you Quanza if you celebrating in Quanza Hanukkah Christmas whatever or the New Year Christmas Eve
00:28:41
some people weigh into Christmas Eve I know as a kid that was I loved Christmas Eve still do boxing day boxing day oh I
00:28:49
yeah if you show up with a drink in your hand we're going to celebrate all of it
00:28:54
together yeah that's that's the way we do it here in the garage it's basically Christmas every week in
00:29:00
the garage well and plus we're going to need some uh Libations to help us forget
00:29:06
some of the things that we've discussed here in just a note to all the listeners
00:29:11
don't bring up this topic at um no your Christmas party especially not at your work Christmas party I was just going to
00:29:20
say this is not safe for work any of this discussions right here because you if you're not already the weird guy or
00:29:26
girl you will instantly become weird guy or girl the next thing that this document
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the HK planning document delves into uh is a three category section with the headings of pre-prep prep and post event
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and under the header pre prep we get this is abbreviated for vehicle inspection then engage
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t-1 Recon ds-1 locate ds-2 weather report Recon vid viid cams Recon pickup zone for vid
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cams this to me feels one of like one of the most thought out parts of this document he
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wants a vehicle inspection meaning inspect my own vehicle make sure it's prep make sure I'm not going to run into
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any vehicle problems we have seen some criminals get busted by their vehicle simply breaking down at or near a crime
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scene getting a flat tire at or near a crime scene having a broken tail light getting yourself pulled over on the way
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to or from a crime scene Ted Bundy got pulled over with a rape kill kit in the trunk of his car engage t-1 that's
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that's saying I got to start up this communication with my first Target start talking to this target so I can arrange
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for a Meetup at some point well one of the things that you were alluding to is how many times did he meet up with these
00:31:11
individuals before they became victims or was it just meet up have a ruse to meet up with them uh we have several
00:31:22
victims that uh family members or friends said oh well this individual was going out to do a job to meet up with a
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guy and they're going to make big money and like I said in our original coverage
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of this case well you can promise the world if you know you don't have to deliver it that's exactly right and I
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tell you what we talked about that this before anybody was ever arrested and one
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thing that was thought of that a lot of people were discussing they're like well
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this killer probably has a lot of money because of look he must be offering the victims a lot of money because in some
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cases the victims before they were victimized before they were abducted and killed had told at least in least one
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situation had said like I I'm not talking to this guy no more or I'm not answering my phone no more on this and
00:32:17
so one thing that was discussed was that well this guy must just have so much money or presenting so much money or or
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the offer is too good it's a it's an offer they can't refuse and they end going with him anyway and one thing we
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discussed that I thought was quite brilliant on our behalf even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while
00:32:37
right but quite brilliant on our behalf was if you're killing the victim all you
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have to do is imply that you have money or that you're willing to pay a good amount of money you're not actually
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paying that amount of money well if you wore suits to work it'd be pretty easy just leave from work to meet up with any
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of these individuals and some some people see a suit and they just assume the person has money well and the the
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world is full of broken promises so who knows what was said and never delivered and then we get one young woman who who
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comes forward after Rex hman was arrested and now his face is all over TV and she comes forward and she says I met
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up with him I spoke with him we traded messages or whatever several times and I meet up
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with him and he gave me the heie jees he he sked me out and I decided not to go with him but he kept showing me this
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white envelope and she says he never said that there was a bunch of money in there
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but I took it to believe that he had an envelope full of money that he was willing to give to me if I went with him
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and spent the night with him and I bet you that there are I get it every tiger they don't have
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the same kind of Stripes right every tiger might have different Stripes but if you want to learn about a
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tiger you study other tigers and we know that Gary Ridgeway who killed sex workers mostly
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sex workers than runaways we know that Joel riffkin who killed mostly sex workers drug addicts
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and other types that have similar victimology they would regularly frequent these women pick them up maybe even
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bring them to their home on occasion they didn't kill all of them they didn't even attempt to kill all of them how
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many times did Rex Heroman the Long Island serial killer do the same thing where he had interactions
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Communications meetups and didn't vict anybody or attempted to we we've said it time and time again with all these
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serial killers you got to look for the one that got away and the The One That Got Away maybe didn't get away by
00:35:09
running for their life screaming at the top of their lungs maybe they just got away
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because it didn't feel right to the killer or there was something off about the scenario or too many people saw me
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with this potential victim mhm and I think that's what we have here with this young woman that came forward and us a
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little insight into what she says is her interaction with this guy and we I think
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we all can agree right he's a uniqul looking individual so if somebody comes forward and says I recognized him as
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soon as I saw him on TV that's easy to believe she's not mistaking him for some other John let's
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say he wants to know about weather reports he doesn't want weather to get in the way you reference getting stuck
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stuck in the snow we know that was a concern with his truck getting stuck the Recon of video cams he wants to know
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with his dump sites and with his pickup sites with his targets how many video cameras are in
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the area do they appear to be working can I is there a way to avoid them can I can I pick someone up or
00:36:19
or get rid of a victim in an area where there would be no video cameras but he says here that he's again referencing
00:36:27
look for locate DS number two so he still needs to find that second dump site prep Under The Heading prep Captain
00:36:36
we have setup stage holding area build table crossbar hardpoint this to me seems very a little
00:36:46
like what you would see on Dexter setup stage holding area makes sense he's he seems to want to be able to hold them or
00:36:55
contain the victim for a period of time the table goes back to what I worried about with those straps that he was
00:37:03
strapping down a victim on a table crossbar from my understanding is something that you would use to further
00:37:12
sturdy the table you know people can weigh a lot right even a petite victim would be over 100 lb over 120 lbs
00:37:23
and sometimes sometimes tables don't won't be able to hold that amount of weight so you steady the table
00:37:31
plus if he's doing the things that I think that he's doing he's applying pressure he's probably leaning on the
00:37:37
table himself and he's not small hardpoint was something I had no clue about I had to do some digging and and
00:37:45
thankfully he come up with the task force defines hardpoint for us and then I went elsewhere looking for to other
00:37:53
sources to double down on this information and it states that a hardpoint refers to in the field of
00:38:01
sexual suspension bondage it's a fixed attachment point in the ceiling that supports the weight of
00:38:08
an individual being suspended off the ground which the task force then says in the document this is corroborated by Rex
00:38:18
Herman's significant interest in pornography where they found pornography that he was searching and viewing
00:38:26
repeatedly where an individual is suspended tortured bound to a table decapitated so all of
00:38:33
these items the crossbar hardpoint the prep table are all items that are going along
00:38:41
with the pornography that he's searching out on these devices and viewing on these devices post event he is talking
00:38:50
about under post event He's listed destroy file change tires burn gloves dispose of
00:38:56
picss have story set so prior to let's have a story of where I was what I was doing
00:39:04
dispose of pics kind of goes back to what we talked about whatever pictures he was taking if it would appear unless
00:39:11
we find out different at trial it would appear that if he was taking photographs
00:39:15
of victims and things that were what I called smoking guns earlier that he did successfully dispose and destroy those
00:39:24
pictures same with gloves because we don't have at any point in this bail application them saying that we found
00:39:32
these gloves that we think he used in any of the murders the change tires look I I'm not trying to give any credit to
00:39:39
uh a person like this but the change tires is smart we've seen some Killers get caught
00:39:48
with tire tracks uh one one person in in particular one serial killer is named William suff Bill su he he was
00:39:57
serial killer out in California out on the west coast many years ago and he had this van
00:40:06
that he would drive around and he used it to get victims into his van and his his victimology is a little different
00:40:13
than heans he killed sex workers but he also killed women that he knew and he would get the victim in the vehicle and
00:40:23
then go out to the secluded areas where he would rape and murder them now he was
00:40:29
driving around so much that he was chewing through tires and so he was constantly putting new tires on his
00:40:37
vehicle however Bill Su didn't have a whole lot of money so what Bill Su would do is only replace a tire when it was
00:40:44
needed when it when it was punctured or had worn through the tread and so he was
00:40:50
replacing tires one at a time when they caught him when he was finally appr ended one thing that they
00:40:58
used against him at court was the tires on his van so in this Orange Grove Captain they found
00:41:06
these tire marks right next to where one of the victims was disposed of and they
00:41:13
they were confused at first because investigators were like we wait a second we got four different kinds of
00:41:20
tires here four different Treads of Tire quickly they figured out well the person
00:41:27
that drove this body to where it was found was driving a vehicle that had four tires none that match each other
00:41:36
they all have different tread so when he was arrested and they inspect his vehicle his tires were all four
00:41:44
different and the tread on each one of them matched the four different kinds of tread that they found at the Orange
00:41:50
Grove and very astutely the prosecutor pointed out in front of the judge and the jury this is almost like a
00:41:58
fingerprint putting Bill Su at the Orange Grove where the victim was found because how many people the the
00:42:07
probability the math on that the garage math on that is insane of how many people would
00:42:13
have these same four tires in the same four located in the front and rear driver side passenger side of the
00:42:23
vehicle that match the tread on these four different tires right the next portion of this document is
00:42:29
talking about Recon reports remember he wanted to know he was concerned about his route he wanted to know the video
00:42:39
cameras on his route to and from pickup sites for victims to and from dump sites
00:42:45
for victims this here too I don't believe is is defined within this document but one thing he does reference
00:42:56
in Recon reports is T1 info and he gives a cell phone number followed by beep voicemail
00:43:04
with a different number I'm guessing that that information has to line up with one of these victims here or it
00:43:12
could have been a potential victim or victim that we've not found yet so the next category would be take down SLP
00:43:19
pickup items listed here Captain are hunt too long scene in the area too long next item is remember don't charge
00:43:28
gas and then Recon for video cams in pickup area next time so it it it seems like he's learned okay so this is
00:43:36
intriguing if this document was originally authored in 2000 and then updated and modified a couple times to
00:43:45
2001 and 2002 and maybe all the way up to 2004 this would suggest to me this third
00:43:54
item under takedown SLP pickup is that he got that he picked up somebody and after the fact became
00:44:02
either aware that there were video cameras there or that he got concerned that there
00:44:09
might have been video cameras there that he didn't see so he's learning in a way like oh I was
00:44:17
concerned about video cameras at the dump site but I didn't think about the importance of the video cameras where
00:44:25
I'm picking up the victim well he's also says don't charge for gas meaning I'm guessing I'm guessing he means don't pay
00:44:35
for gas with a credit card but you'd also need to be weary of surveillance footage at the G the gas station at you
00:44:45
at that pump that puts you in that area roughly around that time period anyways so Recon for videos everywhere yeah and
00:44:54
then hunt too long scene and area too long yeah you can you can Troll and you can
00:44:59
look for these victims and you can look for pickup areas you can look for disposal areas but if you're sitting
00:45:05
there or seen too many times driving around in the area that's not going to be good for you either and the next item
00:45:12
is body prep this is his body right well I I think I take it to mean the victim that he's going to dispose of because it
00:45:23
will become obvious very quickly unfortunately and some of these item I'm sorry I know that it's our kind of our
00:45:30
job to analyze this and discuss it some of these items I will not I just don't feel comfortable the F the the first is
00:45:37
wash body inside in all cavities he's trying to hide and conceal evidence we don't I don't know that we
00:45:44
need to go too much more into that M remove trace evidence and it says fingerprints SL
00:45:51
hair remove trace DNA remove ID marks tattoo and marks it so some of these victims were
00:46:02
too far decomposed for us to to have a lot of skin or Flesh on them okay or or even in a great
00:46:13
condition but he's obviously very concerned about the victims being identified because if you can't identify
00:46:22
the victim even once you find them even with the lengths he went to to to conceal them after the fact if you can't
00:46:29
identify them that makes it even harder to identify him because remember that goes back to the concern of the pickup
00:46:36
sites where he picked the victims up if you can't identify that victim you very likely are never going to know where
00:46:42
that victim was picked up so he's saying to remove ID marks which would be anything that's unique to
00:46:51
the victim like if if she has five ear piercings in her left ear that's something you're going to want to
00:46:59
make not obvious to anybody that may find her if she has a tattoo of something specific or or
00:47:08
really any tattoo at all would be an identifier and he's saying to remove those before disposing of the
00:47:17
victim which we know in some of these victims that's in fact exactly what happened
00:47:23
because we know with with with at least one of the victims she was found within a approximately 24hour time period of
00:47:34
when it's believed that she was disposed of which it's believed she was disposed
00:47:38
of about 24 hours before she was last accounted for alive and well and her tattoos were cut in from the body
00:47:51
or dug out is the only way to describe that remove marks from torture remove head and hands package for transport and
00:48:02
we know that some of these victims had their head and hands removed and then dumped in different locations dispose of
00:48:09
the following is the next category tools and devices T1 so Target one clothes and
00:48:14
personal items got to get rid of those drop cloths wipes and towels props toys wood
00:48:22
items anything that touched t-1 what you wore and so this is where he's referencing himself that the
00:48:31
clothing that he wore needs to be destroyed destroy book and computer files which clearly he wasn't great at
00:48:40
burn gloves dispose of box of plastic bags to avoid trace and then he has a things to
00:48:49
remember and one of those is get sleep before hunt too tired creates problems sound travels control the amount of air
00:48:59
in and out to control the noise made I think he was doing some of this captain in his
00:49:05
basement if you look up that neighborhood it is a nice neighborhood I would describe it as a nice neighborhood
00:49:11
the homes are I think if you got somebody screaming at the top of their lungs even
00:49:17
in someone's basement it could be heard outside of that home maybe even heard inside the home next door to you right
00:49:26
but I I don't know exactly that's where my head goes also there's I I don't know
00:49:32
if that means control the structure better within you're doing this torture or if it also
00:49:40
means it likely means control the amount of air in and out maybe even of the victim themselves
00:49:48
and hit hard or too many hit to take down consider a hit to the face or neck next time for takedown so this would
00:49:55
imply that at some with one of these victims he had difficulty controlling them right that that maybe he thought he
00:50:02
could take control of them faster and she put up a better fight than he had thought and so now he's thinking you
00:50:09
know I maybe I don't want to do body blows on the on a victim next time maybe I go for
00:50:16
the face or neck use push pins to hang drop cloths from sealing not tape again sounds like he's learning that the tape
00:50:24
didn't work for some reason or didn't do or maybe it left tape residue that he didn't like and he's choosing push pins
00:50:31
or taxs rather than the tape and again use heavy rope for neck light rope broke under stress
00:50:40
of being tightened again unfortunately he's learning and he had the opportunity to
00:50:51
learn change and adapt and do do what better served him to procure torture and dispose of more
00:51:07
victims one thing in this document that is not really part of the planning captain
00:51:13
that is very intriguing is the state of New York tells the courts that shortly after one of the
00:51:25
victims was disposed of remember I said one of the victims was found within about 24 hours of the time that it was
00:51:32
believed that she was placed where her body was found or part of her remains were found MH so police are canvasing
00:51:38
the area they find some witnesses that say you know in that spot over there where right about where the body was
00:51:46
found I saw a dark colored pickup truck back up to that space and so in one of his electronic devices in one of his
00:51:56
computers they find that the day after the remains were found that somebody on that device was reading a Newsday
00:52:05
article about the finding of those remains and within that article is the witnesses the eyewitnesses stating that
00:52:13
we saw a dark colored pickup truck back up to that spot he Rex kierman at the time owned a dark green Chevy Avalanche
00:52:23
a dark green pickup truck the article says is that police are looking for the owner or driver of a dark colored pickup
00:52:30
truck that was seen in the area backing up to this General location within 24 hours of whoever reviewing that online
00:52:39
article on that electronic device on that same computer somebody is searching for a white or bright
00:52:50
blue Chevy Avalanche almost if they need to replace their vehicle because the one
00:52:57
they have now is kind of hot because police are looking for it because it was seen in the location where this body was
00:53:02
dumped the Intriguing thing there is I cannot believe I have a hard time believing look not this guy of course
00:53:09
but I got a lot of respect for Architects it's it's not doesn't seem like it's a job that just anybody could
00:53:15
show up to right you have to have a lot of knowledge and schooling and education
00:53:19
yeah unless your name is George castanza well he was a fake architect but as castanza would tell you there is no
00:53:28
nothing higher there's no more there's no more impressive job than architect maybe city planner but but architect is
00:53:36
certainly one of the most uh highlevel jobs that you can have so I can't believe regardless of the amount of
00:53:43
spelling errors that this document contains I don't think that this dude would be dumb enough to go yeah I just I
00:53:51
I love my Chevy Avalanche so much that I just need to get a different color right
00:53:57
that seems like a seems like it's too too obvious you would still have the same type of vehicle just a different
00:54:04
color and then if police get on to you then they're like oh but you replaced your Chevy Avalanche dark colored one
00:54:11
with a light colored one and thankfully he did not replace it because that's how
00:54:15
police eventually got on to him in 2022 was the Chevy Avalanche in his size he was he was fought off by a roommate
00:54:25
of one of the victims he's later charge of killing and that roommate told police
00:54:29
in the complaint hey uh I know my roommate went missing and one of the last times I saw her she's a sex worker
00:54:37
she had a a date is what they call it in the business she had a Meetup and the guy was this giant big white dude ogre
00:54:47
type and he was driving this Chevy Avalanche truck this is a whole different complaint than the
00:54:54
eyewitnesses that the police found canvasing the area with the dark color truck backing up to the area mhm so what
00:55:01
I'm what I'm getting at is I don't think that he's dumb enough to just go well I
00:55:05
really love the Chevy Avalanche and I've I can't get rid of it but I'll just replace it with a different color one
00:55:11
and then they'll never know that I was the person that backed up and dumped the body there right you can easily find
00:55:18
online the the way that this thing is built and the reason why this truck is different than other pickup trucks one
00:55:26
can access the bed of the truck from inside the cabin of the truck that's pretty unique you don't find that in
00:55:33
most pickup trucks if he is simply looking to get rid of his truck that puts him at the scene of a dump site by
00:55:41
replacing it with the same make and model but a different color that to me tells me that that the way that that
00:55:48
truck is built the utility of it and the way it operates is has something to do with his the way that he operates he
00:55:56
can't be that dumb you if if if a pickup truck is what you're after there's a whole bunch of different makes and
00:56:02
models of them go get a different make and model mhm not just a different color I think when he's talking about
00:56:09
takedowns and we and I suspect he's bringing these victims back to the home I don't think he's saying hey lady
00:56:17
here's this white envelope why don't you come back to my house and we'll have some drinks and have a good old time I
00:56:22
think that envelope might be more to just get him in the truck and that the takedown is happening
00:56:28
inside the truck because there's a garage on that house is he knocking them out somehow inside the truck and
00:56:37
slumping yeah slumping them over or or or pushing them into the uh bed of the truck without having to get out and
00:56:45
being noticeable being noticed by anybody and then transporting them back and then guess what now you know what
00:56:52
get close to the house within a few feet I hit the button in that garage door comes open and I all I have to do at
00:56:58
this point is pull into the garage hit the button and close it and now everything I'm doing is concealed nobody
00:57:07
in the outside world can see what I'm doing and keep in mind the murders he's being charged with all coincide with the
00:57:15
travel of his family his the his family being TR traveling at the time and being
00:57:20
out of state so if nobody sees what I do out there I ain't got to worry about what anybody sees what I do in here cuz
00:57:27
there ain't nobody in here to see me so is it thought out yes was it a plan a blueprint for murder
00:57:35
absolutely was it executed perfectly no he was caught they make mistakes thank God criminals make mistakes and he
00:57:45
certainly made mistakes but remember what we talked about in the beginning of this there were there were a lot of
00:57:53
persons that didn't do very good in investigative work on this case for a handful of years and part of that that
00:58:00
that worked against police and worked in his favor was that some of these victims
00:58:06
were not discovered for a very long time once that task force took over this investigation and had full cooperation
00:58:13
with all the jurisdictions and had the help of all those jurisdictions and their great investigators and the FBI
00:58:19
and everybody's working together it took 30 to 60 days to to find the name Rex heran and then they were on him like
00:58:29
flies on [ __ ] and they found ways to connect him via those cell phones and then later
00:58:35
DNA to these victims and Captain talked about a few of the different things that
00:58:41
have come up more recent in this case since the release of these excerpts of this blueprint for
00:58:50
murder one it was new charges when he was initially arrested he was charged with the murder of three victims and
00:58:57
then a few months later charged with a fourth and then a fifth and a sixth and just days ago charged with the seventh
00:59:04
murder I actually believe at this point and and I believe for the most part but not 100% I believe
00:59:12
today that all of these victims that they found he's probably responsible for I mean it seems to be going that way and
00:59:20
unfortunately some of the victims haven't been identified well like I said there could be victims out of state as
00:59:27
well out of state exactly that's a good point he's the home is up for sale and not only is the home up for sale ASA his
00:59:36
wife and the two children grown children they've they're not in this home anymore
00:59:41
in Massa Park they are living in a structure I've I've seen it reported as a home I've seen it reported as a a a
00:59:52
trailer a mobile home multiple different ways but this property from my understanding Captain I've it's been
00:59:59
reported to be as small as 12 acres and possibly as large as 18 or 20 acres and again he has a brother his brother from
01:00:12
the reports I've seen was already living on this property so it's it's 12 to 20 acres that's divided up amongst the
01:00:20
family the hman family and on that large property as a Collective there's different
01:00:29
dwellings so there was a structure that the he that Rex heran and his family of four would stay in when they would visit
01:00:36
South Carolina but this home they're not occupying this home currently the one in
01:00:41
mapa Park that home is up for sale and they're staying down in South Carolina and the captain's concerns are what
01:00:50
others have voiced as well is that does this guy have victims in South Carolina was he there long enough because it
01:00:58
looks like whatever he was doing it looks like what he's being charged with he was spending a good amount of time on
01:01:05
did he have enough time down in South Carolina to carry out one two or three of these homicides when we talk about
01:01:12
some of the victims that have not potential victims of Rex hman of of the Long Island serial killer that have not
01:01:19
have yet to be identified and that might be the the hangup that that is probably
01:01:23
the hang-up of not charging him yet but he was just charged with with the Valerie Mack homicide just days ago and
01:01:32
the scary thing here is our Gilgo 4 is found in 2010 the earliest homicide that he's now
01:01:40
charged with took place in 1993 16 177e difference yeah in finding the the Gilgo 4 the victims that are yet
01:01:50
to be or potential victims I should say that are yet to be identified we still have peaches also
01:01:58
known as Jane do number three she's nicknamed peaches because of a heart-shaped Peach tattoo on her person
01:02:07
now if he were following his own set of rules if we want to call it that then I would guess he would have removed
01:02:18
that tattoo and that might be that might be telling us that this was not him well that's something that
01:02:24
we talked about in the original coverage of this is this the act of one killer or
01:02:31
does it become a situation where you have one serial killer that the media alerts him that there's another serial
01:02:38
killer out there and so they feel hey I I'll use similar methods or similar dumping grounds yeah and we also have
01:02:49
the baby dough who has not been identified yet but it has been scientific ific Al proven that
01:02:58
the that baby dough belongs to peaches to Jane do number three so it would stand a reason whoever killed one killed
01:03:08
the other then we have the Asian do who is yet to be identified this is the the body of a young Asian person who had
01:03:15
died from blunt force trauma was discovered April 4th 2011 this is at Gilgo Beach very close to where the four
01:03:23
the first four sets of remains were discovered just 5 months prior in December of
01:03:30
2010 the victim is a biological male and was found wearing women's clothing so it
01:03:37
could could be crossdresser or could have been somebody that identified as a transgender woman at the time of this
01:03:45
homicide the victim the best that they can tell so far Captain is that this victim was between the ages of 17 and 23
01:03:52
most likely between the height of 5' 3 in tall and 5'9 in tall and was ethnically
01:04:02
Chinese they state that the victim had been dead between five and 10 years approximately though we got to remind
01:04:10
people at times that's when they say we believe dead between five and 10 years don't don't let that restrict you in any
01:04:20
way because that means that most likely dead between five and 10 years well that
01:04:26
would put if it is the ladder then that takes us back to 2001 approximately that
01:04:31
this victim was killed we do want to make sure that we point this out before we wrap up here today very recently this
01:04:38
was in September of this year that I love that they're staying on this because identifying this poor person who
01:04:44
was victimized and killed by some horrible person is yes is of the utmost importance they updated the composite
01:04:54
sketch of this victory that was originally released in September of 2011 and they updated the information on
01:05:03
one what they're hoping to seek from the public as well as the information that they're providing to
01:05:10
us so if you if anybody if you just search engine Asian do immediately a lot of information comes up and our friends
01:05:22
over at the national Center for missing and exploited children helped with the rendering of the
01:05:29
composite sketch computer computer image of this victim what the victim most likely looked like and one thing that I
01:05:37
think is powerful here Captain is that in this new edition that they are including different
01:05:45
languages right it's a it's a help it's a help wanted flyer mhm but but they've now printed this up in and have a PDF of
01:05:57
it in multiple languages because given the background of this victim it's very likely it could be that
01:06:04
this victim moved here from another country and didn't bring any family with them especially given that age if it's a
01:06:13
youngster that's like sitting out on the world on their own for the first time as
01:06:17
a young adult moved here to go to school go to university or or or just to uh go
01:06:24
to the big city to go to the great state of New York and start a life this poor victim's family may have been separated
01:06:32
because from their family member because of distance and have wondered all these
01:06:38
years why hasn't my son daughter what have you reached back out to me why we don't know how to get a hold of our
01:06:46
loved one and so we now have this information in different languages and we also have a computer
01:06:54
image of of what this individual would have looked like appearing to be a woman and I I think that we if we get enough
01:07:03
eyes on this we could finally identify and give a name give the name back to Asian
01:07:12
do and then once we know who this person is we're going to be able to figure out
01:07:19
does this victim have ties to Rex heran does this victim have ties to any of the
01:07:23
other victims that he's been charged with with their murders or right is this a situation where somebody else may be
01:07:31
responsible regardless of who's responsible it's important that we identify this person and give them their
01:07:36
name back one possibility is we do know that a suspect named John bitro was discussed and discussed not by the
01:07:45
public we're talking discussed by the District Attorney's office this is because in July of 2014 John bitro was
01:07:52
charged with the murders of two individuals that were found near where Valerie Mack and Jessica
01:07:59
Taylor where some of their remains were later found and so initially the District
01:08:05
Attorney's Office thought that this guy who was not connected to so in in July of 2014 he is charged with their murders
01:08:14
but they were killed one in 93 and one in 94 and this would this would line up with the 1993 murder that Rex Herman was
01:08:24
later charged with but initially they thought bitro makes a good suspect then I agree but the DNA didn't work it
01:08:32
wasn't his DNA at the scene so could Asian D or baby dough or peaches could they be a victim of John
01:08:41
bitro there's still a lot to uncover here Captain a lot to uncover and I don't know if we're going to go to
01:08:49
trial with the current seven victims that Rex Herman's charged with or if we're or if it's going to be a wait and
01:08:58
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