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[Music] lives and now we are left with a hole in our hearts that will not heal in our civilized society we protect
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and nourish such heinous criminals as Mr Hilton by providing three hot meals a day and a warm place to sleep under the
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protective watchful eye of penal officials therefore I feel that no punishment is too severe for Mr Hilton I
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only pray that he suffers immensely for his heinous ax and that even his fellow inmates recognize his evil and
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malevolence for mankind and treat him with appropriate measures and how do you plead to the
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charge of the murder in Dawson County Georgia on the 4th day of January 2008 with malice of forethought causing the
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death of Meredith pop Emerson guilty it is therefore the Judgment of this court upon your plea of
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guilty to murder that you are guilty of the crime charge I'm informing you Mr Hilton that
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I'm about to pronounce your sentence and after I've pronounced the sentence you will not be permitted to
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withdraw your plea of guilty is there anything you would like to say no you're I sentence you to spend the
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remainder of your natural life life in prison in the custody of the Georgia Department of
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Correction it is the intention of the court that you never receive hero Gary Michael Hilton was arrested
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for The Disappearance Abduction of Meredith Emerson after they found her ID her purse and bloodstained clothing and
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a dumpster and they also found some other items of of that that in his van as well and as you heard there he was
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convicted after confessing to her murder he led the law enforcement to her body uh he did this so he could get avoid the
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death penalty is basically the situation here yeah and he ends up getting life in
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life sentence in the state of Georgia and what you heard In that clip there is her father who is of course upset of the
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situation and rightfully so calling for a little bit of what sounds like prison Justice there because he's never going
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to get to see his daughter again and this jerk gets to go off the prison and he's going to get three meals a day and
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he's going to live in a in a warm cell and he's going to live out the rest of his days and this guy has lost his
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daughter to this animal and because he he confess to it he's not going to get the death pen penalty right now what
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happens here is shortly after his sentence we start seeing a situation where we have law enforcement agencies
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from other states meeting with the Georgia Bureau of Investigation who headed up the search for Meredith
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Emerson they're meeting with them because they want to discuss this Hilton guy they want to know they have similar
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crimes in their states and they want to know is he responsible for these crimes because we're talking about a guy that
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you can't really nail down here right you can't really put a picture of where he was living when because he was a bit
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of a Drifter he was somebody that would go and stay in par s and national forest
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for days or weeks at a time and drive around the country you for the last at least year or so of his life you can't
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really pin him down now this is actually something that he's done for most of his
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adult life and when hearing interviews with him he almost brags about having not worked a full-time job ever in his
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life well no it's not kind of brags he definitely brags I mean again like we've said uh in the last episode this guy
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thinks he is a genius yes he he's I he's labeled with like 120 IQ I believe which
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is of course is above average but uh uh you know he's he's definitely not genius
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level but but when you hear him speak you know he he always thinks he's the smartest guy in the room 100% yeah and
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so not only do we have similarities in other cases we have evidence collected by law enforcement and the Meredith case
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that possibly could link him through DNA or or whatever yeah and these These are items that were
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collected in his van and items that he was disposing of while he was he knew he was on the run for Meredith Emerson's
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case right and while they were trying to collect him and pick him up they collected evidence that he was disposing
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of now one of those cases in particular is that of a woman named Cheryl Dunlap and I'll take you real quickly through
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her case uh this takes us back to December 1st of 2007 46-year-old Cheryl Dunlap misses Church uh and after church
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she's actually uh so involved with the church that she is teaching Sunday school as well um she misses Sunday
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school which both of these things are very out of character for Cheryl yeah my at my church when I was a kid Sunday
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school was during the service I think that's a smart way to do it so that the kids are not in church disrupting the
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adults um so what happens here is when she's not present at church and she misses the Sunday School her neighbor
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decides to go you know walk over to Cheryl's place and check on Cheryl this would be on Monday morning cuz yeah it
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would wouldn't be a huge red flag if she just missed the service but the fact that she is the Sunday school teacher
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and she didn't call or no no call no show it's a little odd yeah so she goes over to check on the home and check on
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Cheryl and what she discovers there is that the dog Cheryl's dog is present now Cheryl is is a divorced woman she lived
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alone and her dog is there however Cher there's nothing wrong with that Cheryl's
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not there and her vehicle not there as well yeah and this kind of alerts the neighbor so the the neighbor decides to
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notify Cheryl's family that she's concerned that she hasn't seen her all day at church on Sunday and here again
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on Monday Cheryl is nowhere to be seen what happens here is she's then reported missing um and quickly after that police
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find her vehicle off of the highway and of course Cheryl is not to be found with
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the with the vehicle but police noticed that one of the tires on her vehicle has
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has been slashed yeah Cheryl has been missing now for about 4 days when the police obtained Cheryl's bank records
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her bank card has been used several times at ATM machines police obtain video footage from the ATMs and this is
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immediately clear right the person using Cheryl's card I mean it's definitely not
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Cheryl 100% it's actually it's actually some pretty creepy images here it's very
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creepy I I will post this uh on Instagram for anybody that wants to check check it out uh it's really hard
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to we kind of debated back and forth on this yesterday um you know privately right is you know it looks like a mask
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that is made out of tape yeah but there is some speculation that maybe he took parts of a Mike Myers mask and uh
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created like a tape plus latex mask I mean either way when you see the image it's very uh very creepy yeah what it
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looks like to me is General description of this image is you see it's it's very obviously a man's body not a woman's
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body to me it looks very Manish and um you see a man wearing a buttonup shirt but he's got every button buttoned up
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you know all the way from the collar down yeah um and kind of a hipster look yeah and the man appears as the captain
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said to be wearing some kind of mask that could have been fashioned from tape like like just like maybe even just
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taping up his face um creating some kind of mask of his own and he's wearing a dark hat and
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glasses um the thing here is you know we we did debate debate about it a little bit but there was a um Fred Rosen wrote
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a book about this called trail of death and so he looked obviously looked into this case a lot more than we did we've
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just been diving into this thing for the last week or so but uh he says the way that he describes the mask is similar to
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that of like the the old movie The invisible man you know that because you know he would wrap himself up like a
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mummy almost so you could you could see him um so that is very much what it looks like to me as well now the ATM one
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of these ATMs was actually accessed more than once using Cheryl's bank card so the police decide that they are going to
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stake out this ATM unfortunately that machine is never used again and in fact after that period Cheryl's card is never
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used again now what's interesting to me is is there any evidence that she went hiking no I
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I'm a little I'm a little uncertain as to her disappearance uh because cuz we found the car yeah and then we had you
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know so it's one of those things where it could uh could gereral be been picked up at a gas station or hitchhiker I mean
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the thought that I've heard put out there is remember the slash in the tire MH the thought was that maybe um
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somebody had spotted her somewhere decided that they wanted to abduct her and she may have been out running
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errands or or doing other things and then they they cut the tire and followed her until it would the you know the tire
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would be deflated completely and then when when she's stranded I'm going to pull up and offer assistance yeah and
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then you abduct her so in mid December 2007 this is in the appalachicola National Forest uh I apologize I'm a
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little little uncertain if it was hikers or persons that were actually searching
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for uh for Cheryl or for clues in the area for the missing woman but the story goes like this that they were out in the
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area and they noticed a vulture circling above oh I think it was Hunters okay yeah I think it was actually uh Hunt
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Hunters or hikers but I think they noticed the vulture and that's when they said hey we got to check this out yeah
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and using the vulture like some kind of Blood Hound they go to the area the vulture is circling and there they find
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a human body underneath some debris you know leaves and things now but here's the thing though the The Head and the
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hands are missing from the body right and the body itself actually appears to have been burnt very badly I mean burned
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very badly so so to the point that the the authorities are unable to identify this body okay so I mean just to clear
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this up real quick we don't know if she was hiking for sure but we do have this body that's found in a park MH right it
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is decapitated which is the same as uh Meredith's case yep uh we have ATM usage with this wiry figure MH um covered in
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tape on his face and so these are the similarities I just trying to follow you follow you on this so what they end up
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doing is they use you know of course they've already seen the ATM footage by the time that they find the this
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unidentified body so they're already expecting Foul Play in Cheryl Dunlap situation somebody has obtained her bank
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card and she's missing you assume Foul Play here right right uh what they end up doing is they take Cheryl's
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toothbrush and they collect DNA so that they are able to match it to the unidentified body all right so December
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2007 we have Cheryl dunlap's body uh we now have it identified and then fast forward we have the Meredith Emerson
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case and we have all these similarities popping up and now we have Cheryl dunlap's DNA but we also have all this
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evidence that we collected from Gary Hilton's van the creepy you know white Astro van that he was driving around so
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when they test that surprise surprise well we have Cheryl dunlap's DNA in his van yeah we've got a match so I mean we
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got a Smoking Gun mhm this is open shut case not so simple because they're going
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to take him to Florida and they're going to try him cuz I believe they want to try to get the death penalty in this
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case well they do and the reason being is that you already know that he's locked up in Georgia for life okay uh so
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now you're going to push the envelope you're going to say we're going to take you to Florida and we're going to put
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you on trial I'm sure he probably tried to manipulate the situation like he did in Meredith Emerson's case that's cuz
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this guy thinks he's a freaking genius right so he probably said you know let's see if we can work out a deal and just
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get life in Florida as well they're not going to do that in Florida they don't need to he's locked up regardless it's
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time to put him on death row and guess what good for everybody else whether you're for or against the death penalty
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let's not argue about that because I think this situation is is a unique situation and yeah the only problem that
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I have with it is by after the death penalty then you give this guy ample amounts of time to get his
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name in the paper uh constantly go back to retrial you know if you push the death penalty plus plus in Florida I
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believe that if you are being tried and and sentenced to death that they I think
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they pay for your defense which is not cheap it's millions of dollars yeah I have a problem with that and I also have
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and we've talked about this before and uh we Tred to I mean we can't do it all the time but we try to stay away from
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you know labeling the show you know by the killer's name cuz we don't want to give them any you know press right you
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know we're not praising this guy we're not praising this monster you know so he goes to Florida and we got to start this
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trial right and this is when America is going to learn a lot about this America or America America both okay both United
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We Stand America and America yeah so to so sorry you kind of threw me off here um but now we're going to start learning
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about Gary Hilton and who he is and the reason being I mean other than that he's
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a huge piece of [ __ ] well the reason being here is Florida is paying for his defense and so they're going to make
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every effort to push the envelope to make sure that he does not receive the death penalty so they're going to bring
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up things about his childhood in his life uh and what we learned during this trial is that uh you know he didn't have
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the the the greatest of upbringings his his father left when he was young his mother remarried and this guy didn't
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sound like a real great guy um and the story about that is interesting yeah so what happens here and everybody wants to
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know you know what makes a serial killer what makes a multiple murderer and this
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gives us a little insight into that right well some of it is probably not made right well there's an argument for
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you know nature versus nurture right and and I would argue that in a lot of cases
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It's a combination of both yeah yeah in this situation we have a a young man he's he when he's very young one of
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those Murphy Beds you know the beds that fold up into a wall mhm I've always wanted one well this is a good reason
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not to get one it collapsed and it had fallen on Gary Hilton when he was a boy and this caused a significant head wound
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uh yeah he received over 200 stitches it almost like Jes it almost like scalped him uh in a way and so it's later going
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to be learned in determined how old was he do you know I think he was a young boy probably six or seven under 10 yeah
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so it would be later determined by his defense team that during this accident of the Murphy bed scalping him that he
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did receive some form of brain damage he had damage to the frontal lobes which which a lot of people will will argue
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that uh you know that that that can create these monsters in a way um so he has this this injury from a childhood
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but but another weird thing happens too there's a little bit of abuse Going On by The Stepfather uh he's he's not a not
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a great stepfather there's even a story how he is this physical or is it sexual or I don't think it was sexual I think
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it was mainly physical and and probably more like verbal and emotional rather than physical as well but um he when
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Gary is like 10 or 11 his his stepfather is telling him that he should be he should have a job he
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should be out working um I believe that this guy is from another country uh and and he may not understand that in
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there's labor laws yeah in America we don't go off yeah but back in yeah but back in Gary's day he could have been a
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newspaper boy I mean that's what that's what I rocked rocked the newspaper route
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pretty young age when Gary was 13 he shot his stepfather I'm sorry yeah but and and then on trial like when his
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mother is talking about this it's it's crazy and this wasn't like uh like he grazed his arm or something he shot him
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in his body yeah he shot him in his lower stomach and and the count was I don't know what happened I think maybe
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it was one of the times where if there you know physical abuse he was probably getting beat uh which was way more
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common back in you know Gary's Childhood Days just in general around the whole country in in America um but I wonder if
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it's a situation where it's like I can't take this anymore you're not going to hurt me anymore I have a
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gun and then the stepfather starts screaming at Gary shoot me sh just shoot me so he
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does shoots him right in the lower stomach well doesn't kill him no no and and the strange thing here too is The
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Stepfather chooses not to press charges against G what ends up happening is yeah but I
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think that's either the mother protecting Gary or maybe the stepfather did have you know did actually care
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about him just didn't know how to be a standup man or a stand-up parent uh or maybe he was abusing him and felt well
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yeah didn't want that to come out or felt guilty yeah or he did even something worse to him that would have
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been uh you know cuz back in the day you could you could smack your kid around a
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little bit and they wer they weren't going to haul you to jail right but who knows how how bad it was well what ends
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up happening here is that even though charges are not pressed against him he is taken away he's diagnosed with some
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form of of mental illness um and we will see this again later in Gary's life but
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he spends roughly about a half of a year in uh receiving some form of treatment and not living with his parents now when
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he is released from this mother will not let him move back into the house um she
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and he's still a minor at this time obviously I just love how the mom takes the stepfather's side what ends up
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happening is somebody they take Gary in and he lives with them until he's about 17 maybe 18 and then he enlist in the
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Army and he actually does see some active duty he's stationed over in Germany and he's with this unique uh
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unit this unique platoon of of 18 or 19 guys I believe it was 19 guys you know you have one officer and then you have
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all these these these other 18 uh you know army guys and basically they're called the Davey Crockett platoon yeah
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and that was the platoon I was in well this this I was the captain of that platoon this is the strangest uh unit
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that I've ever heard of because what their what their whole thing is what she said is that they have these basically
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it's a handheld nuclear weapon and I've seen a picture of this they call it a handheld but if you look
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at a picture of this it looks almost like like the size of a a human body like a mansiz weapon but you can hold
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these things and much like a rocket launcher they will fire a nuclear a small nuclear weapon well the issue here
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is and I don't know how much of this that these these army guys actually knew about but their their job was if they
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were stationed in Germany and if they saw the Russians approaching they were they were told to fire like fire these
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nuclear weapons and we're going to create a nuclear war I guess great but the situation here is these weapons only
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fire so far so if you fire one of these weapons you're it's a suicide mission basically you're you're going to you're
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going to die in the aftermath of of firing this weapon great let's dive into Gary Hilton more right after this this
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he is a confessed killer and now he's down in Florida and he's being tried for more murder once again and he's facing
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the death penalty this time right we've learned that he's had a head injury when
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he was a child we learned that he shot his stepfather and went went went off away for about six months for that and
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he was unwelcome in his parents home when he comes back right now he served some time in the Army and the US
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military he's there for about 3 years and and he kind of uh he he starts to lose it while he's there MH and he gets
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an honorable discharge uh the Army technically diagnoses him with the schizophrenia right well I I also think
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what's weird is did he lose it in the army or you know did it just take him years to figure out he's already lost it
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well remember he had they identified some mental illness when he was a child when he when he was 13 and shot his
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stepfather right I think this is an ongoing thing I think this is something that he's had and maybe it manifests
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itself more the older that he's got uh maybe the stress of being in the Army and being station overseas schizophrenia
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normally is a late teens early 20s type thing uh but there is some early onset sides of uh schizophrenia yeah so we we
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I don't want to go through all of his his history because we only have so much time here today but basically his adult
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life after he gets honorable dis charge from the US military it goes like this he's in and out of marriages he's
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married three times I think the lengthiest marriage that he's in was two years some of these these other two
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marriages so depressing I mean how can how can this uh douche canoe uh trick three women well yeah and and two of the
00:31:15
women are only married to him for less than a year well he didn't trick him for too long but but but there you are with
00:31:21
something there Captain he basically spends most of his adult life as a con man well think about this I know look
00:31:27
Valentine's Day is coming up right and you know some you know some people say it's National singles day well if you're
00:31:33
sitting out there if you're listening to the captain's voice on 10 10569 the garage the garage smooth jams
00:31:42
in the garage if you're listening to me right now and you're single be happy about that cuz you're not dating some
00:31:49
monster like Gary Michael Hilton so be thankful for that you know one of the things he was doing when he was cting
00:31:56
these people well no this is to tip you off on on uh what some of these women why the divorces came so abruptly and so
00:32:03
quickly he was running fake Charities he's running he's getting people to donate money and he's pocketing all of
00:32:10
the money yeah you know the Gary Hilton Foundation or you know I'm joking but he
00:32:14
was running these fake Charities on and off for most of his adult life and when these when his wives would learn what he
00:32:22
was doing of course they don't want to be anywhere around him plus he's he's a terrible guy I mean you even if take
00:32:27
away the murder all right if you listen they have this thing on you can find it on YouTube it's called the Gary Hilton
00:32:34
background interviews this is where the Georgia Bureau of Investigation spent hours and hours with him they're a
00:32:40
little troubling to listen to because they are so lengthy and he might only throw in tidbits of of information in
00:32:47
these cases from time to time so you kind of it's a bit of a snoozefest uh but the thing is this guy
00:32:53
loves to talk and he loves to tell you how smart he is and how how intelligent he is this guy is sounds like somebody
00:32:59
now well he's like a toy man you wind him up and he just he just starts going and he he spends these these background
00:33:06
interviews are hours long and the the investigators speak so little so little during they will ask him a question he
00:33:13
will spend 20 minutes answering this question and he'll tell you everything about anything mhm so he's probably a
00:33:20
horrible guy to be married to uh let alone the the con aspect of his life right um what end up happening here is
00:33:28
thankfully he he does receive the death penalty in Sher Cheryl dunlap's case uh and thankful I'm thankful that Florida
00:33:36
is also a FastTrack State it's much like the state of Texas where you they actually still execute people there even
00:33:43
you know a lot of states have the death penalty never use it right their average
00:33:47
stay on death row is I believe 12 years you're exactly right but also I mean when you have somebody that's you know
00:33:54
again this U beautiful lady and beautiful beautiful mother and a friend to a bunch of people and Cheryl to
00:34:01
actually get closure for her family and friends I think that that's the main thing that that that's great that came
00:34:07
out of this you know all the other stuff with Gary I mean it doesn't really matter it's the closure that that is
00:34:14
really good yeah and the one of the things too that's going to tie him in as well you know we talked about some of
00:34:21
the similarities of the Dunlap case and the Meredith Emerson case um but don't forget here Cheryl Dunlap she was
00:34:30
disposed of in a national forest right so you know there's your similarity there Meredith Meredith is abducted from
00:34:37
one and we have Dunlap who is disposed of in one now we also have investigators from the great state of North Carolina
00:34:45
who are comparing notes with law enforcement officials in both Florida and Georgia because we have a situation
00:34:51
that happened here in November of 2007 we have a missing couple this is John Bryant and his wife of more than 50
00:35:00
years Irene they're an elderly couple John is 79 and Irene is 84 they are Avid hikers they both go missing in the PESA
00:35:10
National Forest so here's what happens here they they they go hiking all the time it was it's not a big deal for them
00:35:17
to go on these day hikes okay they don't come home from this their their family lived in other states their their
00:35:23
children did yeah but they actually called family members and said hey we're going hiking and this is where we're
00:35:29
going they're always forthcoming with everybody just in case something would happen yeah and much like Cheryl Dunlap
00:35:36
situation the the mail starts to pile up at the Bryant's home and a neighbor notices this and calls one of the family
00:35:44
members yeah their son from Texas he flies to North Carolina and he goes looking for his parents uh he doesn't
00:35:52
have much luck I believe that he ends up finding their vehicle um but no well he
00:35:58
go ahead back up a little bit he does go to their house he breaks into their house yeah uh and then sees that their
00:36:05
their breakfast from a couple weeks ago cuz they've been missing for a couple weeks um by the like we said the family
00:36:13
members live out of town so by the time he gets there it's been it some time has
00:36:17
elapsed yeah uh there's still their breakfast from you know days and days ago was still on the table so that's
00:36:24
definitely a sign of this their something major wrong when they they know where they went hiking so they went
00:36:31
and started searching um I think they did contacted the police but they're doing their own search and they found
00:36:37
their parents' vehicle yeah and this was a place that they had hiked often you know so you wouldn't expect them to get
00:36:43
lost or anything like that but you know as well but the major concern there is cuz they are they're elderly right so
00:36:50
maybe that there was a heart attack or something but chances are if one of them had a heart attack that the other one
00:36:56
would contct the whole family and what's the likelihood that both of them would had a medical emergency yeah and the the
00:37:02
very big concern here uh which goes along with that red flag that you were talking about is they know that Jon has
00:37:09
a heart condition and for this he relies on a certain type of heart medication right uh and this is the type of
00:37:15
medication that you are not able to go very long without uh so this is this is of grave concern here uh investigators
00:37:23
are trying to track the Bryant to see if they can find any hint at locating the elderly couple so they tried tracking
00:37:30
the couple's phone records it was then learned that Irene had tried to use her cell phone on October 21st at 400 p.m.
00:37:38
to call 911 but because of a lost signal the call never reached the emergency call center it was also learned that on
00:37:47
the day after the attempted 911 call the couple's ATM card was used to withdraw $300 this transaction was the first
00:37:56
transaction made since the couple went missing but the card had not been used since on November 21st
00:38:04
2007 30 yard away from the Bryant's SUV that was already discovered under a pile
00:38:10
of leaves and debris a body is found this body is pretty badly decomposed and at first there are no signs of Foul Play
00:38:18
but as is true in most counties a a a found body is always treated as a homicide right right so after they
00:38:26
process the scene the body will be transferred transported for identification and to determine the
00:38:32
cause of death yeah and what they determined was that the cause of death was a blunt force trauma to the Head yes
00:38:38
and this does end up being the body of Irene Bryant um so now we have a situation where the the missing couple
00:38:45
of they've gone missing in the woods and we have uh the wife has been found dead
00:38:52
we know that it's a homicide the husband's still missing at this point though right they haven't found him and
00:38:57
remember we talked about that the uh the ATM card had been used and again we are
00:39:03
going to see footage from that ATM machine this is a quite a bit different than the Cheryl Dunlap case though
00:39:10
because in the Cheryl Dunlap case we get to see the criminal up close and personal you know we talked about the
00:39:16
tape mask this situation Captain it it appears that the video camera is one of those from like the drive-thru of a bank
00:39:25
and the ATM is is a lane or two over from uh from the drive-thru window that's recording this footage and what
00:39:33
you end up seeing here is you don't see a full you don't get to see the face of of the person using the ATM card right
00:39:41
what you do see is you get you see that it's probably a man's body um but you basically see a yellow rain jacket right
00:39:51
now this later would be termin would be determined to be the rain jacket of John Bryant and one thing that the
00:39:59
officials figure out here is that the body size of the man in relationship to the ATM machine you can get an idea of
00:40:08
the size of the person using the card even though you can't see the face or see the see the actual body but they
00:40:15
determine that the body size and shape is different of that than John Bryant's so immediately they know that this card
00:40:22
is being used by somebody else and we have we have a horrible situation here yeah and as law enforcement is gathering
00:40:29
evidence they don't have a suspect you know they're trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and they really just
00:40:36
kind of sit on their hands because well that makes it sound bad on their part but they they don't really have any
00:40:41
leads and then with this em uh with the Meredith Emerson case now we got a guy and this seems very eer eerily similar
00:40:51
to our case so now law enforcement is going to come down and talk to him yeah so what happens is Meredith Emerson she
00:40:58
that case happens okay her body is found he Le leads them to her body he he confesses to the crime and it's shortly
00:41:05
after that it's in February of 2008 that John Bryant's body is found in the natahala National Forest North Carolina
00:41:13
so again like the captain said all these similarities but once this case goes out
00:41:18
into the news and people start seeing his face well then it is Hilton's face they start realizing that that Gary
00:41:26
there are eyewitnesses that place him at the Pisa Forest uh before the abduction
00:41:32
you know just days before the abduction and this is a whole state away from where he lives you know so so to put him
00:41:39
there he's he's also photographed there as well uh what ends up happening is he goes to trial for this situation he's
00:41:46
going to originally plead not guilty but he will later change his plea to guilty
00:41:50
he will admit to killing both JN and Irene Bryant he what he ended up doing was he cat he kidnapped John Bryant and
00:41:58
through Force intimidation and violence he used the the ATM card and got the PIN
00:42:04
code from JN to get the $300 and after he had robbed Jon he had no use for him anymore and he he shot him in the head
00:42:12
with the 22 caliber gun yeah and in those background tapes that you were talking about that's the thing he he
00:42:19
mentions it multiple time hey you running low on money well now you got to go murder somebody and that's a you know
00:42:26
we were talking about this earlier that's such a far stretch I mean if you are a criminal if you're a con man then
00:42:33
you know you're running low on money you go rob somebody or you're running low on
00:42:37
money then you do uh you know one of your charity frauds you know you're con man but he's more of a murderer than he
00:42:44
is a con man well well let's investigate that real quick because we have all these other cases there's missing
00:42:50
persons cases there's other bodies out there that are similar in situation to crimes committed by Gary Hilton where
00:42:58
we're talking about state parks and National Forest involved here is he is he someone that's killed more than four
00:43:05
people because yeah so right now we have John and Irene Bryant we have Cheryl Dunlap and we have maredith Emerson
00:43:13
those are the ones that he has confessed or was found guilty on correct so one thing we we got to investigate here is
00:43:22
he is of one of the rarest breeds of serial killers okay well is he well that's the question let me get through
00:43:29
this here he he is one of only three people in United States history that waited until his 60s to start killing
00:43:36
and became a serial killer so that's a very rare breed of people so mathematically what that would tell us
00:43:42
is it's probably not likely that he waited until his 60s to start killing mathematically he's probably more like
00:43:49
the rest of them and started killing before this timeline so yeah I mean possibly be but I think when you had
00:43:56
have multiple people diagnosing you with some form of schizophrenia I would say that it's it's
00:44:03
a good possibility that that this statement is true and he is of the smaller percentage so let let me go
00:44:10
through this for a while and it might take me a minute to get through it but this has kept me up for the last three
00:44:14
nights I've been trying to figure out what what is his his situation what is his MO is he a guy that kills to cover
00:44:23
up robbery or is he someone that just Happ s to Rob and then kill and I've struggled with this for for days and
00:44:31
nights now and I've come to a conclusion and I'm going to go back to what the captain was referring to here Gary's own
00:44:37
words and those background interviews and I'm going to remind you of some of those things that he said in some of
00:44:42
those background interviews um first off let's go back to when he's talking about
00:44:47
Meredith Emerson's case he said had I picked up the newspaper that morning instead of that afternoon that girl
00:44:55
being Meredith would still be alive he says when you take someone you either kill them or you get caught I am right
00:45:02
it's just math you either kill them or you get caught you know she saw the dog you know she saw my van all they have to
00:45:09
do is put that out there and 10,000 people would be calling of course I knew that I either kill them or I would get
00:45:17
caught but if I'm already caught then there is no use in killing them I didn't kill them for any satisfaction it was
00:45:24
distasteful it was Dreadful trust me it was of course I was able to do this because of my general rage for Society
00:45:33
of course of course but of course you get that way with people after a while when he's he's also talking about
00:45:40
another person in his life who is he thinks is a con man this would be John tabber his former boss that he does not
00:45:48
like he describes John T as a con man and he also describes him as a person that is committing crimes and he states
00:45:56
that he is not dangerous like me I am a stud I do crimes that studs would do it's [ __ ] weirdo all right now
00:46:05
let's you're not a stud dude you're a weirdo yeah but let's quickly Analyze This what he's saying here is had he
00:46:11
realized that his face was all over the news and all over the newspapers he would not have killed Meredith because
00:46:18
it would have been easier to to be charged with kidnapping and robbery than to be charged with murder after the fact
00:46:24
because in the eyes of the public they already knew who did it you know they already knew who was involved here
00:46:29
that's why they're looking for him right but because he didn't know they were looking for him he killed her okay so so
00:46:35
where am I going with this what yeah I want to know well okay so does he Rob and then kill to cover it up or is is
00:46:44
that just part of the whole deal is it one deal to him it's just all one deal I mean when he says hey you're running low
00:46:50
on money so now you got to go kill somebody I mean that that's what he said he didn't say you got to go Mur murder
00:46:56
he didn't say you got to go rob somebody he said you got to go kill somebody and
00:47:00
you know and then he can say whatever he wants uh in the Meredith case I mean he
00:47:04
killed three people before her MH you know like look I mean if you know is are there parts of him that are just a con
00:47:12
man yes but he he's a killer I mean he's a murderer that's it yeah he he he says
00:47:19
when he's talking about merid this case that that he had $40 to his name and he only had a couple days worth of food
00:47:26
so what was he going to do he knew he had to go kill somebody well like what you and I talked about though uh he when
00:47:32
he's robbing these people he's robbing for small amounts of money you know from the Bryants he only took $300 what is
00:47:39
300 bucks going to get you when you're when you're a Drifter what is that going to buy you a week out on the road so
00:47:45
what is your whole plan this is a man with 120 IQ and the only plan he can come up with is you know what I can I
00:47:51
can rob someone and kill them and get 300 bucks and get by for a week but then what are you going to do what are you
00:47:57
going to do after that Gary you're going to have to go again next week and kill somebody and then the following week so
00:48:02
I I think he was using that as a way to uh kind of justify what he was doing I think you're exactly right I was low on
00:48:10
money so then I I had to kill somebody just like when he says well if I would have saw the paper I you know I I would
00:48:18
have let her go no you're not gonna let anybody go because in that moment that even if he saw that paper even though
00:48:25
see hindsight he's saying oh well I would have let her go because you know then You' just get me on kidnapping I
00:48:31
knew I was caught no because in that moment even if he saw the paper he'd say well I'm going to kill her I'm going to
00:48:38
decapitate her so they can't find out who it is and I'm going to go on the Run cuz I can outsmart these people and
00:48:45
every moment when he's faced with whether or not I can outsmart somebody or not he thinks he can and he can't I
00:48:52
mean here this guy is just he's he's a loser and the whole fact of the trial when they keep bringing up the fact that
00:49:00
well he he is above intelligence no he's not he's a horrible person he's a dumbass you know it's well here's what I
00:49:09
came up with Captain all right what who is Gary Hilton I think he's somebody that fancies himself a survivalist okay
00:49:17
he's somebody that that he's he's constantly camping he's hiking he refers to even his hiking clothing as equipment
00:49:25
he does doesn't refer to it as clothing it's equipment to him now maybe this comes from being a child and and having
00:49:31
this bad stepfather move in and he doesn't feel like he has a home he becomes a survivalist then and when he
00:49:37
when he's not allowed back into his home after yeah but there's a bunch of people
00:49:40
that like to hike and camping that are great people so go ahead I'm not saying that every hiker and camper is a serial
00:49:49
killer I'm trying to go through what I what I personally think of Gary Hilton in his situ a okay he I think he fancies
00:49:58
himself a survivalist and part of that being a Drifter he does need money to survive how has he figured out that he's
00:50:04
going to get that he's going to get that through means of robbery and he for whatever reason believes that he needs
00:50:11
to kill to cover it up I I had to go back and think of another serial killer and his name is Joseph franois now what
00:50:19
Joseph franois did was he would invite drug addicts and sex workers into his home and then he would kill them but
00:50:27
what would take place beforehand was he would purposely leave large amounts of money or valuables lying around trying
00:50:34
to entice them into stealing from him or catching them in the act of stealing when they wouldn't steal from him he
00:50:42
would he would walk into a room point to the money and go irate on them and accuse them of stealing even though they
00:50:48
weren't doing anything and he would end up murdering these women what I'm getting at here is just like Francois
00:50:55
who needed needed something to kick off that that that emotion and to kick off that anger inside of him that would
00:51:03
erupt into murder I think is the same thing that we have here with Gary Hilton Gary Hilton you're exactly right Captain
00:51:10
he was a killer in every sense of the word he is a serial killer he was he was going to kill no matter what it was the
00:51:17
robbery it was it was the need for the survivalist in him that kicked that off that made him rationalize to himself
00:51:25
that needed to be done that gave him the anger and the hostility that he needed to erupt into murdering these people
00:51:32
yeah I think he did need some kind of accelerant to get it to the point start with the robbery therefore now that they
00:51:39
know who I am so not to get caught I will kill them and that what that's what justifies my actions um but again I
00:51:49
think some of some of some of him is just complete [ __ ] he very uh he's very horseshit and I don't know if he
00:51:58
was a survivalist or not or Nomad for parts of his life he wasn't towards the end he was you know for a little bit but
00:52:07
again then you would have to look at the mental health and and what is happening
00:52:11
with his mental health and is that deteriorating is that what's becoming a Monster again I don't I don't think you
00:52:18
believe that he's in the small percentage of people that you know don't start killing till later in life but he
00:52:25
has confessed to some crimes so why wouldn't he confess to more uh that that that's what I struggled with and and I I
00:52:32
thought about that for quite some time because as much as he likes to talk and we've seen him admit to three of these
00:52:38
murders already what is holding him back but he only admitted to any of these murders after being pushed by evidence
00:52:45
in law enforcement I don't know if you had evidence on other cases you might end up getting a confession from him but
00:52:52
one thing that you were on to here Captain was was the the mental health situation we talked about there being
00:52:58
problems with his mental health and uh Fred Rosen who wrote that book about him he points out that in 2007 is when when
00:53:05
Gary starts receiving uh Ridin and maybe maybe high levels of Ridin that he's supposed to be taking per doctor's
00:53:13
orders and according to Fred Rosen this must have been what set him off and that
00:53:19
he started killing in 2007 and we saw that with the with the murders that we just talked about well okay so so now we
00:53:26
have our Line in the Sand right did he start killing in his 60s or did he start killing before that and we have a lot of
00:53:34
uh speculation out there regarding all kinds of other cases in other states many of them involving national forest
00:53:40
and state parks all right so what are some of the cases that might be linked to Gary Hilton well we've come up with
00:53:46
seven of them and these are names that we've collected through different websites uh that that it's not just us
00:53:53
speculating on this he this is already been suspected of as far as Gary Hilton's concerned the first is Melissa
00:54:00
wit who disappeared December 1st 1994 and what makes authorities feel like she's connected to Gary Hilton so
00:54:08
this is a situation where she disappeared from Franklin County in Arkansas uh and then more than a month
00:54:14
later her body was found in a rural area of Franklin County now this is this is police officer suspicion they say that
00:54:22
while the crimes are separated by years and states there are Sim similarities that make it worth investigating a
00:54:30
possible connection yeah and I think it comes down to the fact that if you think
00:54:33
Gary was killing before 2007 then this is definitely a case you want to look into MH uh one that you also want to
00:54:40
look into is the uh death of Levi Fred now Levi frd was a young boy uh he was 11 years old and he was abducted while
00:54:52
riding his bike now the connection here is that his body was found the following
00:54:58
day um in the same area that that police would later find uh Meredith Emerson's body uh as well as another person that
00:55:07
is on our list so while the it breaks the mo of the victimology here where we have an 11-year-old boy well and it also
00:55:15
breaks the fact that we could assume that the 11y old boy is not carrying a debit card yeah there's nothing to rob
00:55:21
from him uh the last time he was seen he was riding his bicycle and he was being
00:55:26
followed or he was following a small dog now we do know Gary Hilton was always with with a dog and the thought was that
00:55:34
maybe you know this boy didn't have a dog so maybe somebody had used the dog to uh take the boy um I I didn't see a
00:55:42
ton of similarities here other than the area where they found the body one thing
00:55:46
that's troubling here is uh police have been very hesitant to release any information on on this body and and on
00:55:55
Levi's case uh he was shot to death and we do know that Gary used a gun to kill John Bryant however they they refused to
00:56:06
uh give the caliber of gun in this situation where with the Bryant situation it was a 22 caliber so that
00:56:12
that could help us a bit here yeah and the body being found in the same area as Meredith to me is you know
00:56:19
definitely you know leaves some kind of oh well you got to look into this and to
00:56:24
me they they need to look on the angle of maybe not so much you know robbery because that doesn't make a lot of sense
00:56:31
but what if you know we we heard a lot of times about Hilton getting confrontations with other people about
00:56:38
dogs and what happen what maybe there was some accident maybe the kid hit the dog you know with his bike or something
00:56:45
and that set Gary into a rage that that's a possibility that's one possibility the O the other thing that's
00:56:51
not entirely outside of his victimology is that it's a it's a person that he believes he could easily overpower you
00:56:59
know he's always attacking women or elderly people and one that kind of goes off the rails a little bit I don't know
00:57:05
uh you know I'm a big fan of the Charlie project and one of the people that they
00:57:12
think maybe is connected with Hilton is Jason knp now he went missing in 1998 uh April 12th from Clemson South
00:57:22
Carolina now it seems like he had a debit card and stuff on him but uh there was $20 taken out of his account the day
00:57:30
he went missing but other than that no more activity also Jason was pretty big guy uh so doesn't kind of fall into the
00:57:39
whole Gary Hilton being all little and wiry right looks like Jason probably could handle his own uh but again if uh
00:57:48
we we do know that Gary Hilton has used a gun in the past but there was no signs
00:57:52
of struggle where where Jason went missing so something to look into but I I don't think there's a lot of
00:57:59
connection there you're right it's it's very loose I think the one thing that they that they've talked about here as
00:58:06
far as Gary's concerned is that the vehicle that Jason nap's vehicle was found in a state park so it you know
00:58:13
that that's the connection there how you know however loose that is um we also have on this list we have uh Patrice
00:58:21
Andreas um she disappeared from her hair salon uh in 2004 this is April 15th 2004
00:58:29
um now she would have been of in Georgia as well so not a terrible distance for Gary Hilton the strange thing here is
00:58:37
this is definitely a robbery when you look into this case uh they whoever whoever took her robbed the hair salon
00:58:44
beforehand um she would end up being found in a same in a similar area to that of Meredith Emerson and Levi Fred
00:58:52
so we have we have that connection Plus the robbery one thing too in the the background interviews that we've been
00:58:58
discussing with Gary Hilton is one thing that the Georgia investigative Bureau was questioning him about was did you
00:59:04
ever go into hair salons you know I know it sounds like a strange place for a man
00:59:08
to go but did you ever go into any hair salons right and he says when he was selling siding that he would go into
00:59:13
hair salons on Saturdays when he thought that that the building needed new sighing he would offer he would go in on
00:59:20
Saturdays because the owner was typically there because it' be the busiest day of the week for hair salon
00:59:25
and while he was there he' pass out business cards to uh the the women waiting in line to get their haircut
00:59:32
um again you know the only real connection here is the robbery and where the body was dumped yeah big connection
00:59:40
I mean big connection between Meredith and Levi and Patrice is that they're all found in the same county next person on
00:59:47
my list is Rosanna yes we have Rosanna Melania now she was from Florida but she disappeared December 7th 2005 from
00:59:56
Cherokee North Carolina she flew into town and then while she's at the Rada Inn uh she calls a family member stating
01:00:05
that she was going to go on a hiking trip and she was going to go hiking on the Appalachian Trail which is a big
01:00:11
connection to Gary Hilton obviously um she's later than seen and this is believed to be the last time that she
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was seen they were at she was at a store but she was in the she was with an older
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man uh this is an unidentified approximately about 60 years old with gray hair at his temples now the person
01:00:29
that saw them did say that this man may have been wearing a hairpiece because if
01:00:34
you see the sketch of the person he clearly has hair that Gary Hilton did not have right um but again it does look
01:00:42
very much like a hairpiece uh the man had said that he was a traveling preacher which sounds similar to some of
01:00:48
the cons that we've heard Gary Hilton pull in the past um she did suffer uh she from mental illness she was
01:00:57
schizophrenic um might not have been a great idea for her to be out you know states away on her own going hiking by
01:01:04
herself it just seems like a situation where she could be you know she she probably looked to him as somebody that
01:01:13
that he could have taken that that he could have she's out of her element she's out of the area yeah um she
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doesn't know she doesn't know the state park yeah well with the Bryant and with uh Emerson you know th those are victims
01:01:29
that happen at a park and then Cheryl Dunlop we don't know for sure right so since we don't know for sure with the in
01:01:36
the Dunlap case that we can put uh Rosanna into that possibility again we don't know if she
01:01:44
ever made it to the park to go hiking we don't I don't believe there's any eyewitnesses of ever seeing Rosanna at a
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park right other than her stating that she was going to go hiking but that does not you know disclude you know Hilton at
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all right and the last time she's seen is at that store with that older man and they're purchasing a a a backpack and
01:02:05
sleeping bags things that look like you're going on a camping trip now she's never seen again and none of her items
01:02:11
that she took with her on this personal vacation were ever recovered as well so uh those items would be important to
01:02:18
find there is some strangeness in her case though because while she was there she rented a storage unit which seems
01:02:25
like which is a kind of a connection with Gary because we know that Gary lived out of storage unit for about five
01:02:31
years or so yeah it's a connection to him but it also seems like a a entire like just a the strangest thing to do
01:02:38
when you're on a vacation yeah I don't know that you need a storage unit for anything I can't figure that out unless
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unless it was you know a whole connection with Gary Hilton and he's conning her into renting a storage space
01:02:50
that he is going to use MH or or who knows I mean so I mean the fact of the matter is that we do know that he was
01:02:58
involved in in the murders of four people so we could just suspect that it's probably more than four the big
01:03:07
question for me is was it you know is he one of the rare breeds of serial killer
01:03:12
that wait till later in life to start killing that's the big question and I don't know as much as Gary hilon likes
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to talk I don't know if he's ever going to answer that question for us right now
01:03:24
next up we have Michael Scott Lewis who went missing November 21st 2007 and this
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he went missing in Florida um and this this situation here he went missing from the same county as Cheryl Dunlap and
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this this is what's weird here how is he connected listen to this first of all we
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can put Gary Hilton in that area because we know that Cheryl Dunlap was abducted
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December 1st Michael scottt Lewis was just abducted 10 or 11 days before that so it's not crazy to think that he would
01:04:01
have been in the area um Michael Scott Lewis's body is found in three different garbage bags in Tacoma State Park in
01:04:09
Florida this is December 6 2007 so we're seeing a situation where uh what he did
01:04:16
forensically to some of these other victims you know with the decapitation or removing the hands that we're seeing
01:04:23
a similar situation where um where Scott Michael Scott was dismembered as well and we can put Gary Hilton in the area
01:04:31
so that one's really interesting to me and then the the final one that we have is on December 6 2007 an unidentified
01:04:40
woman missing hands feet and head was found in five black plastic garbage bags along Stitcher Road in lra which is west
01:04:49
of maon near the Alabama line um there was an attempt made to burn these bags now so we have a we have uh a situation
01:05:00
here where we don't because she's unidentified we don't know where she's from where she went missing from and we
01:05:07
also don't know if she was robbed of an ATM card that would have been used because we don't know who this body
01:05:12
belongs to right uh but again we're seeing a situation where uh the dismemberment and the use the use of the
01:05:19
garbage bags is similar to the Gary Hilton situation now these last two that talked about would still mean that he
01:05:25
would have been in his 60s at the time that he started killing yeah I mean assuming that the woman had not been
01:05:31
missed missing for very long yeah those two to make a lot of sense but again it's the unidentified body you would
01:05:38
like to know where it's from I mean cu the connection um with Michael Scott and uh Dunlop being from the same county
01:05:46
that's you know again but how many people are in those counties but right but there is a lot of similarities there
01:05:52
and hopefully uh they can keep trying to link stuff and maybe even you know through DNA or whatever they can add
01:06:00
more charges to this guy and get closure for the other people yeah uh the most interesting case that you know when
01:06:08
you're searching and and scouring the uh information highway to try to figure out
01:06:15
anything about Gary Hilton uh I kept coming up on Reddit post okay linking Gary Hilton to the mar Murray case oh
01:06:25
yeah now we know that Mara Murray went missing in uh 2004 so again this is not the time frame
01:06:33
is not too far off the problem here is we don't you know from all accounts that we know that she wrecked her car and
01:06:42
then was never seen after that so is that that kind of is similar to the Cheryl Dunlop where we don't know how
01:06:50
she was taken um but we also Al there is no body for Mar Murray so we don't know
01:06:57
if she's ever been found the big problem here for me is the distance this happened in New Hampshire uh Gary Hilton
01:07:05
seems to be always around Florida Georgia Carolinas um I looked at his arrest records there is no arrest that I have
01:07:17
found that is up north mhm and if he was doing anything sketchy if you're up north and you have Florida license
01:07:24
plates or Georgia licensed plates normally that's kind of a red flag for cops to pull you over if you're doing um
01:07:30
and there's no nothing on record there so it's just a name that kind of pops up a lot in that case and so I just kind of
01:07:37
I found that interest interesting I'm I'm always following the mara Murray case so I was kind of hoping that there
01:07:43
was some you know more of a connection to figure out you know it some closure in that case but I don't think it's
01:07:51
connected here so it's we're obviously into 2017 now but so some time has elapsed
01:07:58
some years have elapsed since he's been convicted and sentenced to death in the State of Florida so Gary Hilton is
01:08:04
scheduled to die in the State of Florida in 2023 or 2024 now what I'm hoping here Captain is
01:08:12
we might see a Ted Bundy type situation where we have a guy that's in custody he's scheduled to be executed right that
01:08:20
doesn't mind confessing or talking I wonder what we can learn from Gary Hilton as he gets closer to that date is
01:08:27
he going to try to buy some time and release some names and give some details who knows maybe he is connected to some
01:08:34
of these cases well I think the thing that you have to be suspect there is his conman nature right and will he just be
01:08:42
trying to make up stories to buy time or will he actually be involved in in these
01:08:48
these murders so of course our final thoughts here is I I think he might be connected to one or two
01:08:54
or maybe more of these it some of these connections are a bit loose but some of them we don't have a lot of information
01:08:59
so uh the thing here is though Meredith Emerson uh she yes she fell victim to Gary Hilton but but she is a hero and
01:09:08
and we talked about her fighting back every step every inch of the way against Gary and how her fighting back LED to
01:09:17
his being identified as the possible abductor and his arrest yeah I mean Meredith she was a badass chick
01:09:26
basically yeah and the thing too here is it it led to convictions in Prior cases
01:09:31
yes and think about all the people it prevented Gary Hilton from attacking and killing in the future well yeah yeah
01:09:38
because even you know the the question the big question of did he just start killing later in life well that doesn't
01:09:45
matter because if meredi didn't do what she did then he would have just kept going and thank God he's Behind Bars
01:09:52
it's one less back guy to worry about yeah and I mean my final thoughts on Gary Hilton is he's a wiry pile of
01:10:00
horeshit and I I hope there is some prison Justice there so uh you want to remind them of the recommended reading
01:10:07
yes this week we are recommending the yosity murders uh this has got quite the story to it here Captain because
01:10:14
remember many months ago we recommended a book called I know my first name is stepen okay so we had a case that took
01:10:21
place where Steven Steiner was he was abducted and he was held for like seven or eight years it was one of the first
01:10:28
cases of its time where he had escaped and came home and returned to to his home many many years after being
01:10:35
abducted well his older brother um Carrie Steiner was a uh was part of that same family would grow up to become a
01:10:43
serial killer killing in one of the national parks on the other side of the nation so when we started talking about
01:10:49
Gary Hilton it reminded me of of the yosity murders and this is by Dennis McDougall and you can pick that up by
01:10:55
going to our website true Crim garage.com and you're going to go to the recommended page we have we have Stevens
01:11:01
book there we have the yosity murders book there until next time be good be kind and don't
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