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crime [Music] foreign [Music] November 12 1969 year old Gloria kowalowitz left her
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parents house before 8 AM to head to Saint Mary of Mount Carmel Church for the 8 A.M Mass the church was located at
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6722 South Hermitage Avenue on the southwest side of the great City of Chicago the walk wasn't far just three
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or four blocks from her home located at 2002 West 67th Place and Gloria was accustomed to making this walk it was a
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different era back then obviously young children were much Freer to go to and from places like School Church Parks
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without parents it doesn't appear that Gloria's parents gave her walking alone a second thought
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but they did give it a second thought when she didn't come home in fact she never made it to church that
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day said a school friend who waited for her at the church entrance her parents reported her missing on Saturday
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afternoon and I apologize to you captain and all the wonderful listeners out there we do not have a clear time of
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when she was reported Miss slacker but they would not have to wait too long before A call came in from the police
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the dreaded call the call that nobody wanted at 11 40 on that Saturday morning a laundry truck driver was taking an
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early lunch break from his route and was seated at a roadside table next to the Palos Hills forest preserve after
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parking on the shoulder glancing Into the Woods this man's name is Harry linman he was startled to see
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something in the underbrush of a ravine closer examination made him draw back in
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horror it was a dead child that he saw her face and head were bloody and disfigured to the point that until
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autopsy police suspected that she had been beaten to death her pink and brown checkered dress was pulled up exposing
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her underwear and her shoes and socks were missing her blue leotards lay on the ground near her body her father
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Edward was called to the scene to see whether the corpse was in fact his little girl and unfortunately it was he
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told police that the little girl's blue coat purse rosary and a prayer book were
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all missing from the scene but they weren't missing for very long either these items were found along various
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roadways heading back back toward the city of Chicago yeah it seems like the killer was dumping the evidence as they
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drove back into the city you are exactly right police believe that the killer had
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tossed them out of the window of his vehicle on his way back to the city he took the girl from the city drove out of
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town she's killed and then he is disposing of her items as he is driving back to town
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and to back that up we have this from the Chicago Tribune that says glorious purse containing her white gloves two
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prayer books and a Rosary were found a block west of the Southwest Highway along Highway 83 along with one of her
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shoes the other shoe was found at Highway 83 and 69th Avenue her blue coat was found on Highway 83 at
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Ridgeland Avenue about five miles east of where the body was found it's like this guy didn't really care about
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leaving a potential road map to where he was going and was almost maybe even bragging about
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what he had done yeah or it's a ruse I'm gonna dump these items like I'm going back into the City and then he turns and
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goes to another suburb but what was the cause of Gloria's death the autopsy it was found that Gloria had been shot
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twice in the head at close range they know that it was close range because she had powder burns on her face
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one bullet entered the top of her head and the other the left temple it was believed that the first shot was
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inflicted while she was standing and that the second shot the shot to her Temple was done after she was on the
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ground so we have these gunshot wounds to her face they thought she was initially beaten
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but then the autopsy is going to say well gunshot wounds so was she even beaten at all or is this just damage
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from the gunshot wounds it's difficult to sit here and say with any level of certainty right other than using their
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words and their words were up until the autopsy we had thought that she had been beaten to death now how is
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this similar to Nancy's case how is it not similar so we have a situation where a person is taken off of the side of the
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road and then a short time later found having been driven several miles away and then shot to death
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so the the victimology is similar and the crime itself is similar do we have signs in either case of sexual assault
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in Nancy's case absolutely now the in glorious case it's a little more difficult so reporting at the time of
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Gloria's case was that a pathologist who conducted an autopsy said that they saw
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no signs of sexual assault on this little victim's body and this is again from the Tribune coroner Walter McCarron
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said Dr Harold Wagner his chief pathologist found that microscopic tests indicated that the girl had not been
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sexually molested this has never been refuted if the authorities have any evidence of
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sexual assault of of Gloria they have kept it under wraps for 62 years I have a difficult time believing that
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that she wasn't sexually assaulted right in some form or manner I do think that we should talk about the location where
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Gloria was found this Palace Park area the Tribune says the body was lying 20 feet where some articles say 100 feet
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which seems a little more likely to me but regardless 20 feet or 100 feet depending on which
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article you're reading west of 104th Avenue which is also called Willow Springs road the exact spot was
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approximately a mile south of Highway 83 in a ravine this is basically a large Nature
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Preserve area wooded and untraveled and the location was about 15 miles from the
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koalowitz house do we know any more about her timeline from my understanding Gloria's parents they owned a gas
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station in the city and her parents are Edward and Esther they said that Gloria had been walking to church that morning
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to receive communion with her classmates she had received her first communion on
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October 29th and was instructed to take communion every day for the next two weeks that Saturday the day that she was
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abducted was to be the last day of that two weeks Edwards said that he and Esther his wife had warned their young
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daughter repeatedly not to take rides from strangers and never to accept anything from anyone on the street but
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again she's a small child and we all know how little kids can be enticed by promises from
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adults and so on or she could have simply been grabbed off of the street while she's making her way to the church
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yeah or in this case we know that there's a murder weapon which is a gun so you can easily could control
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especially a small child with a gun they would be scared out of their mind a funeral was later held for Gloria
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unfortunately she was the koalowitz's only child the services were held at the church
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that she was actually walking to when she was abducted it was attended by all 650 students
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that went to the church school that Gloria attended she was in the third grade at the time
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police said they were confident that Gloria was killed where she was found based on the amount of blood that they
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found at the scene but the bullets that killed her they were not found with our victim
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and they were not initially located at all so police employed an army mine detector
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to scan the area for the bullets and they failed to find them police had resorted to sifting through the dirt by
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hand now there was some very confusing reporting in the Tribune that says that police sifted the ground where her body
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was found in Unearthed two 22 caliber shell casings right the captain of police went on to say that both had a
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little rust on them and one was chipped but the 22 caliber shell casings isn't really matching up with what their
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suspicions were because they believed that the bullets that killed Gloria came from either a 32 or a 38 caliber weapon
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so these bullets the shell casings may just have been found there it just maybe happenstance that they were found in the
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same area so police spent the next few days combing the scene for any evidence including the missing bullets they
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finally found one of the bullets on Thursday this is nearly five days after the murder it was a 38 caliber and it
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was found dug into the ground two feet from where her body lay the nose of the bullet was smushed but the rifling was
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intact meaning it could possibly be linked to a weapon if they were to find a weapon to test it
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against test showed it was almost certainly one of the projectiles that passed right through Gloria's head
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for some reason they spent and expended a lot of time and effort searching that immediate area
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for the gun presumably they hope that if they could locate it its registration would lead
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them back to the killer or it's one more tool to lead them to the killer yeah or
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fingerprints they had 400 Boy Scouts that were brought into comb a two mile a two square mile area dive teams even
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went into a nearby lake looking to see if anybody had dumped the gun there police said they thought that the
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offender might have discarded it but that's just a suspicion because they search this Lake they search this two
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square mile area they never located a gun they did find a tire track at the murder
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scene yeah which we did not find in Nancy's case right the head of the Chicago police crime lab told the media
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we found a tire track at the murder scene presumably Captain I'm guessing that they must have ruled out that the
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tire track that they're talking about was not made by the person who found her body Harry lindman remember he had his
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laundry truck out there with him that day they found a wallet on the ground and this was considered to be a very big
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and important lead right we love it when a killer is dumb enough or makes the mistake of leaving an ID a photo ID or
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or any form of identification right there at the murder scene right this wallet that they found belonged to a
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teenage boy this is a 16 year old teenage boy so they tracked this individual down
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and he said that yes that's my wallet but I lost it the summer before so I've lost that I lost that wallet
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months ago his parents his friends and many people back up this story so he eventually ends up being crossed off of
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the list yeah but I wonder what his life was like in the community for the next month of people not buying that story on
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Gloria's purse remember that was recovered from a road they found a fingerprint on the strap that was not
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glorious a later article in the Tribune said that they had actually had a palm print taken from Gloria's white plastic
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handbag so it's it's a little confusing if we're talking about a fingerprint or a palm print going forward I have I have
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the suspicion that they actually found both that they may have found a fingerprint and a palm print that both
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did not belong to Gloria on this purse right either way it's a good piece of evidence there police spoke to all of
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the people that would be out working right out driving about that Saturday morning so this is people like bus
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drivers delivery men and others who regularly drove the route Gloria would have taken walking from her home to the
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church to which she never arrived then they did a door-to-door canvas of Gloria's neighbors and people who lived
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along that route that she would have taken to get to the church that morning and this
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is where they're hoping to develop a more comprehensive timeline right they believed that she had been abducted
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really just a few minutes after setting out from her home just before 7 45 A.M we know that she never reached the
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church and this is based off of our witness her friend that was waiting for and the statements of the investigators
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at the time well and there's probably other patrons of the church that didn't see her there that day so the
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investigators thought that Gloria was likely picked up as she walked along Marquette road but later reporting said
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that she could have been grabbed as she walked along 67th Street either way this gave a very narrow
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window of time for the actual abduction as the walk even at a child's Pace was less than 10 minutes what's scary about
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both these cases in in my mind's eye is is how visual they become in your imagination you can see you can almost
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see these cars following these girls along whatever path they're going Nancy heading home with her sister Cheryl and
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seeing Gloria waking up heading to church so she can take communion and then being followed by a vehicle you can
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almost see how that would play out or even like you said is there some ruse that they used or like get the get the
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girl close to the car and we'll abduct her with it with a gun now in Nancy's case it's different because we have
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eyewitness this person jumps out of the car and snatches the individual this could be
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the same thing that happened in glorious case now in Nancy's case like we said we
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had we have her sister Cheryl that was with her so that was a solid eyewitness but again she's only five years old in
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glorious case do we have any eyewitnesses we end up with several potential eyewitnesses and again this
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walk is less than a 10 minute long walk so to have several eyewitnesses is very lucky and helpful in this investigation
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so first we have a gentleman who owned a grocery store on Damon Avenue this is located behind the koalowitz's home he
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says that he saw Gloria leave the house on that Saturday morning waving goodbye to her mother as she left so
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we don't need to be looking in the direction of the parents as far as this eyewitness statement goes because she
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was alive and well when she left her parents home that morning then we have the statement of the
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parents Esther her mother said that she watched her daughter walk North on Damon
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Avenue and watched Gloria turn East on 67th Street so that's a portion of her travels then
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we have a a man who's a plumber who told police that he saw Gloria standing at the corner about a half of a block from
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her home at approximately 7 45 a.m this was on the corner of Marquette Road and Winchester Avenue
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he was stopped at a light he's driving and he noticed her because she was hopping from foot to foot he said it
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appeared she was waiting for someone that's a really weird part of this story where you have a
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witness who does not know the victim and he is of the belief that the girl was possibly there waiting for somebody
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now what's interesting to me Captain is he says that he notices her because she's hopping you know hopping around
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from foot to foot but he's there because he stopped at a light on the corner of these roads
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well why I'm wondering if she had the opportunity to walk across the street but did not
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and that gave him the indication maybe she was waiting there for something or someone another witness who was
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described as a 45 year old maintenance man his name is Carl Bartell told police that he saw a girl who he thought could
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have been Gloria and what's strange about this Captain is he says that he saw this girl that he thought might be
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Gloria riding in a car with a man on Saturday morning this would have been around 8 40 a.m he said that the two
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were driving on 131st Street at 104th Avenue about two miles from where Gloria was eventually
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found they turned North on 104th the child was with a man aged 25 to 40 with black hair this is as described by
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our witness the car was a 1954 or 1955 Plymouth four-door sedan olive green I don't want to jump back and forth
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between the two cases too much because it will get a little convoluted along the way
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but remember in Nancy's case it was described as a four-door sedan a four-door vehicle dark colored and a
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lot of the reports say black there are some reports that say possibly a dark green in Gloria's case we have this
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witness who's saying look if this was Gloria that I saw in the vehicle with this man with black
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hair age 25 to 40 they were traveling in what I believe was a 1954 or 1955 Plymouth four-door sedan olive green
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police took Bartell to the crime lab to view Gloria's clothing to confirm the sighting if you do a little map
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detective work here and look up about the time that it would take to drive from Gloria's house to the intersection
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where this man says that he saw Gloria and the dark-haired man it takes about 34 minutes to drive that 14 or so miles
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so this timing could be fairly accurate backing up his statement that he believes that he saw Gloria in this car
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so if she were picked up at approximately 7 50 a.m they could be on 131st and 104th at 8 40. as reported by
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this witness now of course give or take 15 minutes which could mean all of the world entirely another helpful tip came
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from a Mrs Stephen Griffin no relation to Peter who saw the blue coat lying on Highway 83 west of Ridgeland Avenue at
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approximately 9 15 a.m so the timing of the blue coat having been discarded in the roadway meant it was possible Gloria
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had been killed within an hour of the abduction we also do need to point out though just because we painted the
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picture earlier of the Killer killing Gloria leaving her where her body was found and then driving back to Chicago
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or heading back the direction he came and discarding her her items along the way there's always the possibility that
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this coat was tossed out the window while Gloria was still alive fortunate in this case there was another tip that
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was called in this was an anonymous tip however and this was simply a woman that
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called police identifying herself only as a neighbor of the koalowitzes per the Chicago Tribune they say quote
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she said the murderer was driving an automobile Whose license is issued to a resident of Alton in Madison County end
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quote so it's unclear how this witness this Anonymous witness would know this right or if she even knew it at all it
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could have been a complete hoax but then you have to wonder if she did in fact know it did she see the car
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did she have knowledge of this crime or or knowledge of the suspect did it if she did see the car did it
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have some kind of sticker or some other Mark that designated it as being from Alton
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was she referring to the license plate that she saw on the vehicle all of this stuff is is unknown and really
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unfortunate because this tip comes in we get this information it seems very very
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loosey-goosey and we never hear anything of this tip again foreign [Music] [Music]
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take me [Music] all right we are back mates cheers he's back I'm back cheers to the people in
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the back tall cans in the air now here's a part of our investigation that comes up every
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time we run one of these investigations especially when we're talking about the abduction and murder of a youngster and
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this is the part of the investigation Captain when the Chicago Police did the old pervert Roundup
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and they rounded up all of The Usual Suspects and the pp's out and they demanded Alibis from anyone in the
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neighborhood where Gloria lived who had a history of any kind of sexual or sex charges against them sex crimes a 19
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year old girl reported being followed home by a blonde youth wearing jeans and a tan jacket right around the same time
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that Gloria was taken so right about that same time there this was on Marquette Road between Damon and
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Winchester Avenues we've named all three of those roads before so this is same area yeah yes this could be significant
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the young man followed the teen as she got off of the bus and walked home and then stood outside of her home until her
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mother shouted at this man or this youngster to leave he was last seen walking down 67th Street police were
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interested in tracking him down and told the public about this but it's not clear
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as we sit here all these years later looking back whether they ever did in fact track him down and then the other
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thing too is if we're going to cross-reference this with the other statements by potential eyewitnesses who
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say that they saw Gloria in the car with a dark-haired man between 25 and 40 well another man by
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that's described as a blonde youth might not be our same guy right both can't be true
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but regardless these are witnesses these are people in the area trying to help out trying to help the investigation
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within two days of Gloria's murder detectives said that they believed that Gloria had been killed by the same quote
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sex maniac who had struck in the city recently so remember this is early November they
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state that since October 17th there had been four assaults on women and girls in that area do we
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have any eyewitnesses of those assaults well what we have in this situation is we have the people that were
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going to be assaulted are our eyewitnesses and what what happens here though without going into the details of
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each one of these attacks is I would categorize these more as attempted assaults because it looks like whoever
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was doing this was scared off before he got to do whatever it is that he set out
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to do so that makes it very difficult when you have these air quotes unsuccessful attacks compared to
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Gloria's case where it's an abduction and a murder it gets very hard to sit here and go well is the mo even the same
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right because it sounds completely different but in the attempted assaults we do not know what the end result would
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have been had the attacker been successful or not scared off right by the 15th of November police said that
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they had no solid leads in the case which was about to change very quickly but up to this point it doesn't appear
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to me Captain that this was for a lack of trying they really worked this case the best that they could in the early
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stages they reportedly had 50 5-0 detectives from Chicago who worked with Cook County Sheriff's investigators on
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the case they claimed to have spoken to about 800 people in the days since Gloria was found
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they were still working the leads that they had the fingerprint on the purse strap is one of the potential leads
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they're also working the tire track that was found near the body and the possible
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sighting of the girl in the company of a man driving down the street Chicago detectives were also in touch with
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authorities in Paulding Ohio as we had mentioned at the end of yesterday's show this is to speak with authorities there
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as to whether there could be any connection between Gloria's murder case and that of Nancy
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eagleson now note that this is about 230 miles away but the cases bore startling
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parallels and again both cases we have a child being abducted into a vehicle not
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a man on foot so 200 and some miles is is far but not that far yes and we have the chief of detectives James McMahon in
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Chicago who openly asked the question to reporters when he's telling them hey we're in contact with some people in
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Ohio about a case that they have he said have we got a killer traveling cross-country
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so the chief of detectives McMahon he goes on to say that he was checking and had been in contact with Sheriff John
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Keeler at the Paulding Sheriff's Department via telephone they were both talking about the two slangs that
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happened recently in their areas both noted the likenesses of the two atrocities the similarities in both
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cases according to the chief of detectives McMahon he stated to the papers the abduction
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Gloria apparently was seized by a man as she walked to church on that Saturday Nancy was grabbed by a man in an
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automobile as she and her sister walked home from a movie on Sunday the death scene he said was similar Gloria's body
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was found in a wooded area a forest preserved southwest of Chicago lying in a ravine about 100 feet from the road
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Nancy's body was found in a desolate wooded area about 100 feet from a country road the cause of death Gloria
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was shot in the head twice with a weapon believed to be either a 32 or 38 caliber
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gun Nancy also was shot in the head but the caliber of the weapon at that time and
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really a little bit still to this day is a little bit in question and at the time of this reporting they state that
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the caliber of the weapon used in Nancy's homicide wasn't known yes but the cause of death to me would be more
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important than if the calibers matched because you could be dealing with somebody that commits a crime and then
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gets rid of anything that they use to commit that crime and then they commit another crime and
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they could then get rid of that murder weapon as well well this is really a shocker here
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because the Chicago Police kind of pretty quickly felt like they may have their man
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and they also thought that maybe this guy was good for Nancy eagleson's murder 230 miles away
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this suspect drops into their laps essentially when a car was reported stolen in Chicago on that Saturday night
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that stupid son of a [ __ ] the car was located on Sunday in Laporte Indiana now you don't have to be a geographical
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wizard to know that the great state of Indiana is right in the middle of Ohio and Illinois
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so they find the stolen vehicle from Chicago in Indiana not only do they find the stolen vehicle but inside
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we got a guy yay we got a suspect sleeping sleeping inside is 17 year old Robert Lee Stovall and
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he happens to be wearing bloody clothing which of course immediately raised suspicions I like that they tell us that
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in the newspaper it immediately raised suspicions when did it did Bloody clothing not raise suspicions
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he told the police that the blood was the result of a bar fight this guy isn't it idiot so he's described in the paper
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as a Detroit native Detroit Michigan native if you look at the guy he's got a mustache goatee and sideburns he lied to
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the police about where he got the car right the car was reported stolen he's telling police
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I borrowed the car from my sister's boyfriend liar remember they always have a story whenever you're caught in a
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stolen car you better have a story so he lied to the police about this you can quickly check and and confirm that
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it does not belong to anybody that he knows in fact I'm not certain who the car belonged to and his story about his
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whereabouts on Saturday night and really that Sunday did not check out so investigators intended to check his
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shoes to see whether dirt on them matched the soil and the Ravine where Gloria was found now keep in mind we're
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looking at this angle right here of this Robert Lee stovel individual we're looking at all the information about him
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based off of what the authorities in Chicago are telling the newspapers in our reporting at the time well he is
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going to be questioned by law enforcement in the Nancy eagleson case as well yeah Paulding Ohio investigators
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in fact it was Sheriff John Keeler who questioned this individual about Nancy's case this known liar what is weird here
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though to me is this this is the guy that kind of ties these two cases together right you have these
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two crimes that they're rare crimes potential stranger abduction both of them are children and abduction and a
00:36:31
murder similar age similar day yep both victims are found rather quickly the only thing that really separates
00:36:39
them is that 230 miles well you get over that hurdle real quickly when you find this guy in Indiana with a stolen car
00:36:48
covered in blood now and also where he's from because if you take where he's from and you go
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through Ohio and then on to Chicago that path makes sense well what's weird here
00:37:02
about this guy is as good of a suspect as he may look as interesting as he may appear to be to
00:37:11
investigators right away it seems like both law enforcement agencies at some point must have had been pretty clear
00:37:19
that there was nothing that they could tie to him or nothing tying him to either of the actual murders so where he
00:37:26
is once and very briefly at that the prime suspect I mean his picture is in the papers his name is in the papers as
00:37:35
being questioned in both of these homicides the prime suspect in both murders however however briefly he was
00:37:42
actually considered to be a suspect he seems to have been dropped by both agencies and dropped out of the
00:37:48
spotlight very quickly again very strange because he's covered in blood I'd be testing that blood before I drop
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him from my suspect list right and that's what I mean is weird here that we get his picture in the paper we get his
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name in the paper as being interviewed in question in both cases and then they move on from him in both cases but we're
00:38:10
never really told why they moved on from him and I'm assuming we can see all the work that they were
00:38:18
doing in Paulding we can see all the work that they were doing in Chicago on these these two cases
00:38:24
and I don't like to assume but you have to believe that they had something that moved them off of this guy or something
00:38:32
that told them that he was not their guy in fact you have the statement very quickly from
00:38:39
the chief of detectives in Chicago that says despite the similarities the chief of detectives said there
00:38:48
wasn't enough evidence presently to Warrant sending a Chicago detective to Ohio but McMahon the chief of detectives
00:38:57
emphasized that if Keeler John Keeler the John Keeler the sheriff in Ohio if he ever had a suspect in Nancy's case then
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the Chicago Police Department will waste no time in sending a man to Paulding to
00:39:12
assist in the question yeah this is very strange and very confusing and maybe this is why these
00:39:21
cases are not solved 60 years later and this is one of those really truly unsatisfying parts of any story of any
00:39:32
True Crime Story that remains a mystery to this day here we sit 62 years later Nancy and Gloria are killed abducted and
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killed on the same weekend in 1960 230 miles apart from one another there was enough similarities in this
00:39:52
case that the investigators thought that there was a chance that they could be connected that maybe this Maniac this
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man that they find covered in blood in a stolen car from Chicago kills the little girl
00:40:09
makes his way through Ohio after abducting and killing Nancy and then returns only to be caught with
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the stolen vehicle covered in blood in Indiana and yet we sit here these years later
00:40:23
we're not being told that this Robert Lee Stovall who was described as a habitual liar right he was described as
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a psychopathic liar at one point in the newspapers which that term and that word
00:40:39
means a lot different today than what it did in 1960. it's just really frustrating it seems that he had some
00:40:45
kind of mental issues that he may have been in and out of Institutions at portions in
00:40:52
his life so we do not know what went down behind the scenes when these investigators are talking to this guy
00:40:59
because I I want to be clear on this when he's picked up the way that the the way that the Chicago Police
00:41:07
and the way that it's described in the papers at the time and maybe this is just the media taking a little bit of
00:41:14
Liberties here with the story but it's described as oh snap we had this murder in Chicago this one of the
00:41:24
most horrific murders we can think of in recent memory we have this Abduction of
00:41:29
murder that takes place in Paulding Ohio a place that does not see this type of crime this kind of violence
00:41:36
and we found this man covered in blood he's our guy he is the guy he's traveling driving around like a maniac
00:41:44
looking for the next victim and we got him right that's the way that it's described yeah you just
00:41:51
these types of crimes that this this person is obviously they weren't afraid of being seen by the younger eyewitness
00:41:59
this person probably is a psychopath these are crimes of a psychopath correct but then therein lies the problem you
00:42:07
sit here all these years later and you go maybe this guy Robert Lee Stovall was the only thing that was really binding
00:42:14
these two cases together tying them connecting them together and once he is removed from the
00:42:21
situation once they believe or once they move on from this guy because I don't want to
00:42:26
say that he's cleared they never officially say that he's cleared but they looked at this guy long and hard in
00:42:33
Chicago they thought this was the guy and they moved on from him so there was something
00:42:39
telling him that he is not responsible for Gloria's murder there was not enough on this guy for them to remain
00:42:47
interested in him for Nancy eagleson's murder I really want to know about them testing that blood evidence
00:42:55
because obviously they don't have DNA back then but they could have tested it to see if it was the same type of blood
00:43:04
in the Glorious case and that's why I mean that it's unsatisfying you have this guy that they moved on from and yet
00:43:11
we do not know why we have we sit here and have no clue as to why they moved on from Robert Lee Stovall now I will tell
00:43:18
you this tell me some keep in mind Cheryl who was with her older sister Nancy the night that Nancy was abducted
00:43:25
right she had never heard of Robert Lee Stovall she did not know that another little
00:43:32
girl was killed that same weekend two states over and because his picture was readily
00:43:38
available because he was in the paper so much at the time I showed Robert Lee stovall's picture
00:43:45
to Cheryl and she said I've never seen that man before [Music] love [Music] and a quick note before we wrap up this
00:44:11
week's set of shows we are doing a part three and part four on the Nancy eagleson murder investigation and that
00:44:19
is because our involvement with the porch-like project has made it so that we are privy to certain information that
00:44:25
has not hit the newspapers in this case and so we really took a deep dive looking at the Nancy eagleson
00:44:32
investigation which has gone on now for 62 years so with so much information we were just not able to cram it all into
00:44:43
two episodes well that's what we like to do here in the garage is let the information dictate whether it's going
00:44:49
to be a one part or two part or three-parter or a heck even sometimes we'll do a six-parter like with the
00:44:55
JonBenet Ramsey case so we get to take a deep dive into this one and make it a four-parter in Parts three and four we
00:45:03
will continue to look at the Nancy eagleson investigation and we will also take a look at another similar crime as
00:45:10
well as the suspects yeah the old turd burglars and you won't want to miss when we get to the suspects because I think
00:45:17
you're going to find them to be very interesting thank you for joining us here in the garage thanks for letting us
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whisper in your ears for the last few hours you are our friends our buddies are Pals and we appreciate you Colonel
00:45:30
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