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into Broomfield police it's a male caller his name is Joseph Marino he's calling a emergency services
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to report that his girlfriend 19-year-old Natalie Ballinger is missing he believes Natalie left their
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home around noon then Joseph tells the dispatcher that Natalie's phone was left behind so he has no way to contact
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her she didn't take her coat and he has no idea where she could be he's very concerned we've seen so many missing
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persons reports in the past that are largely ignored or downplayed by police but here Natalie's disappearance
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was of immediate concern because 6 days before she vanished she had been issued a permanent restraining order against
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the man who Natalie claimed was stalking her but there's more Natalie's boyfriend
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told police that it wasn't just Natalie that was missing Joseph's Glock 9mm pistol was gone as
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Ballinger Broomfield police took Natalie disappearance seriously right from Jump
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Street Captain law enforcement issued an appeal to the public to be on the lookout for Natalie the bolo the be on
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the lookout described her as a Caucasian female aged 19 she is listed at 4 11 in tall and
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weighs about 100 lb she has maroon colored hair very distinctive hair maroon colored hair and hazel eyes she
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also has two facial piercings and a unique tattoo on her left forearm some have described this tattoo as something
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like a sunflower with a yin and yang symbol that was on Thursday afternoon and into the evening family friends and
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police all out looking for this missing young woman the next day Friday December
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29th a Dairy Farmer worker in Thorton Colorado came across a dead body in the woods just off of of a dirt road this
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was at East 116th Avenue and Riverdale Road the hiker called the Adams County Sheriff's office around 3:15 p.m. and
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reported the body the worker reported that there was no doubt that the person was dead leaves were piled on top of the
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corpse in a lame attempt to conceal the body Adams County deputies arrived at the scene they observed the body of a
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female wearing black jeans a black hoodie Black Boots and socks her body was covered in leaves a single gunshot
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wound was visible in her head now no identification was found with the body but the Adams County authorities were
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quickly in touch with the Broomfield police who issued the beyond the lookout they checked Natalie bolinger's Facebook
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page they see this distinctive tattoo the distinctive hair prominently featured on the Facebook page and sadly
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they're quick to be able to identify that the body is that of Natalie Ballinger roughly 24 hours after Natalie
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went missing her body was found sadly it was not what anybody was hoping of course and Natalie Ballinger was found
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within a half hour's drive from her home as said it's obvious to police and First
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Responders when they get to the scene that she that the victim is dead police contact Ed Natalie's
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family and had to break the tragic news to them when the police and the coroner arrived on the scene there would be
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reasons to consider maybe this was a suicide but further examination with no gun found at the
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scene and the impossibility of a body attempting to conceal itself with the leaves and whatnot it was obvious that
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this was a murder and the Adams County sheriff's office in the Broomfield police commenced on a joint homicide
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investigation yeah it's not impossible that somebody commits suicide out in the woods somebody stumbles along and finds
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the weapon and takes it but it's just very unlikely Adams County Sheriff Mike McIntosh held a news conference in which
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he said there is a 26-hour time period that is missing where we don't have anyone who was talking to Natalie
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through social media or by text or in person or on the telephone that's a crucial time we are looking at if anyone
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came into contact with Natalie on the telephone or on social media or there is a photo of her out there those are all
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things that would be important to our investigation so that's 26 hours captain that is from the time that it is
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believed that she left the house which would be about 12:30 p.m. the previous day and then found the next day around
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300 p.m. that next afternoon yeah what law enforcement is hoping for we have a 26-hour window and if we can find
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somebody that talked to Natalie we can shorten that timeline by a by a good amount during the news conference
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Macintosh read a prepared statement from Natalie's Father Ted Binger that read quote our family has been deeply
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devastated by this loss and cannot fully Express how much we miss our beautiful Natalie our hearts are absolutely broken
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end quote law enforcement is able to hone in on a suspect relatively quickly in Natalie's case we learn about this
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captain at this press conference so we have Sheriff Macintosh that said at the press conference that there was no
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threat to anyone in the community and Deputy Michael Kaiser told The Denver Post on December 29th quote there are
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people of interest but no suspects at this time end quote and that was true Captain the authorities already had some
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Persons of Interest in their sites the very same day that Natalie was found and with the comment about no threat to the
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community they clearly suspected a targeted attack and it looks like they probably had reason too definitely if
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you're law enforcement and you just start going back through her Communications on text message you can
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see that she feels like there was at least somebody in her life that was admitting a threat to her okay so let's
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address this Persons of Interest statement before we move on to someone who is an obvious suspect in my mind in
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this case and frankly one bizarre dude a person of interest in this case of course would be Natalie's boyfriend
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who she lived with and some reports have the two as being engaged to get married
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Natalie boyfriend Joseph was looked at pretty good early in this investigation but he was quickly cleared by
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detectives and so they were able to move on to a more viable suspect at that time
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the reason that they were able to move on from Joseph is at first they they liked him for a suspect because he
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reports his girlfriend as missing however he does not tell police immediately that the gun that was in
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their apartment was also missing right he didn't report this and he comes clean with them very quickly saying look I I
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purposely withheld that information from you guys because I thought it would get
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Natalie in trouble I want you to find her I don't want her to get into any trouble she's been having some issues
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and I don't want to create additional issues for her so his heart was in the right place maybe not his mind but it
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was with good intentions and they also very quickly they're able to confirm he was at work that entire day they speak
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with several people that he works with they all say yes Joseph was here they have him on surveillance cameras on
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camera being at work during that time period that they are concerned with so they are able to move on from Joseph
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very quickly because of all of this evidence and you say it all the time the timeline is so important and when you
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have a window of 26 hours it's harder to get an alibi for a boyfriend or a friend
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or possibly a stalker when you have such a large time frame you you might be able
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to get an alibi for four or five hours but you need an alibi for basically 26 police were hip to all the rumors and
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accusations flying about online Natalie's friends and family were posting about one person in particular
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and the depuy's statement that they had Persons of Interest made only one day after Natalie was murdered implies that
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there was an obvious suspect at the time the man the family was pointing to was the man that Natalie had received
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an order of protection against the man she posted about online saying that this man was stalking her the man who was now
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posting Rants and strange comments online about Natalie and that man's name is sha Schwarz yeah you have a young
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female that is telling her boyfriend telling her family even went as far as to get a restraining order against this
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individual and she goes missing obviously this is the first person that Law Enforcement wants to talk to so
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let's keep in mind our time in question here is late December Natalie's Facebook
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page showed the following post made by her on December 13th 2017 this is just two weeks before she
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went missing and here's what it said verbatim hey y'all I have a public service announcement there is a man Shan
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Schwarz I met this man when I was young I ran into him about two years ago long story short I became friends with him I
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helped him out with rides and stuff I moved to Virginia he drove across country to see me slept behind my work
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for weeks when I told him I didn't want to see him anymore he sent me hundreds of texts and calls he parked his car in
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front of my house blocking Military Highway for hours laying on his horn he was arrested since then I've asked him
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to leave me alone and he won't he's sent email for over a year close to every day
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harassing me making numerous account until I block him again threatening my family telling me he'll kill himself in
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front of me and sending my friends and family harassing messages as well I'm sharing this because he's posted slander
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about me all over Facebook so if you receive a message I am sincerely sorry please ignore him it only encourages him
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when he gets a response much like a child he's mentally ill and I'm trying to fix this and with that post Captain
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she included a screenshot of a photo someone had posted the photo was of 42-year-old sha Schwarz which showed a
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thin man with a scraggly beard and a half bald head and he's he's like got this scowl on his face yeah he
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definitely looks uh disheveled and like he's not taking care of himself and like
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she stated she believes that he's mentally ill one of the reasons Natalie might have cited in her request for a
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restraining order was a post from Schwarz on September 10th that read quote Natalie I wanted only the best for
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you now all I want is for you to go through the hell I've lived I want to blow my head off in front of you so
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close you can feel the warmth spatter of my blood on your face I want you to feel
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every bit of my pain because you gave it to me and didn't care you should not have pretended to care end quote okay so
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that's a lot H someone's a little needy here that's a lot to unpack according to
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Natalie's loved ones Natalie was very afraid of Shawn Schwarz and judging by the post it's frankly it's easy to see
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why yeah very easy to see why she would be afraid of sha these are not posts made by somebody in their right mind
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this is definitely somebody that needs to get some help police pulled Schwarz in very quickly and interviewed him at
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length Sheriff McIntosh told the media quote we have talked to him we are not ready to call anyone a suspect but it's
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certainly a part of our investigation The Daily Camera which is a boulder newspaper many of you might remember us
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talking about them from our John Benet Ramsey coverage they did a lot of terrific reporting in this case in
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Natalie's case they managed to get a comment from Sha Schwarz confirming that he had been questioned
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by police but he wasn't arrested and no charges were forthcoming but there was a
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lot of online activity accusing this guy accusing Schwarz this whole thing was playing out very publicly on Facebook
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after all Natalie herself the victim had posted on Facebook that she was being stalked by this man and Schwarz himself
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was an incessant Facebook post poer who used the Forum to air his crazy ramblings
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Schwarz was mentally ill what exactly his diagnosis was is unclear he admitted only to having aser syndrome a disorder
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which placed him on the autism spectrum and Tourette's Syndrome which he blamed for poor communicative abilities
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according to him he received disability payments in excess of $700 a month because of these conditions
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as a result apparently he had nothing to do all day but post on Facebook and his
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YouTube channel as we saw he posted that very disturbing post about wanting to blow his brains out all over Natalie and
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of course it was not lost on anyone that Natalie had then died by being shot in the head obviously when people were
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concerned about her being missing they were contacting sea and he kept on saying look I had nothing to do with it
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just help find Natalie Natalie's friends and family and even people who weren't involved at all they're all posting that
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they knew they're stating this online on Facebook and such they knew that Schwarz
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was responsible for Natalie's murder the news media jumped in too well look this
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guy is definitely not stable this guy definitely needs to be looked at as a person of interest as there's other
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individuals that need to be looked at as a POI but none of these individuals have a
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crystal ball with heavy issuing one of their own five things you need to know about sha
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Schwarz at first Schwarz sort of kept it together posting that he was still trying to stay out of the way and let
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the cops do their jobs and like the captain said he's pointing out and saying online I didn't kill anyone but
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according to medium Schwarz created a fake face Facebook account and posted in the comments on Natalie's Post in which
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she had outed him as a dangerous stalker his secret post he creates this fake account
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Captain so he can go in there and defend himself right he's creating posts that's
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defending sha Schwarz and implied that Natalie's family and friends knew exactly what had happened to her well
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again he's mentally ill so him defending himself it might come off making him look more
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guilty he doesn't know that he's just adding fuel to the fire yes so everyone online piled on Schwarz the stalker
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whose Target was now a murder victim then after schwarz's fake account is exposed for what it was he starts
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posting back on his real account again so do you want to talk about some of these post here Captain I never know how
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much of this stuff this type of thing the masses would want to hear I think it's interesting okay without going
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through every crazy and often violent or even threatening post that this guy made
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he said things like he would kill them all and he hopes that they will all die at one point he makes claims that he was
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assaulted on more than one occasion by people accusing him of being responsible for Natalie's death and then adds to
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that that the police turned a blind eye when he went to them to report these assaults so he's saying these people
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aren't just accusing me online I've been physically attacked out on the streets by people accusing me and I've gone to
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the police and tried to file reports about these assaults and the police are purposely looking the other way it's
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really hard to believe schz anything he States because also we we we don't know the struggles that he is dealing with
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mentally so it's really hard to believe him on anything he made a short YouTube video well several short YouTube videos
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of himself ranting and raving about missing persons other cases than Natalie's case missing persons in
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trafficking investigations and that Natalie is evil and her family belongs in prison then you take that and you
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keep going back to the restraining order right you take all this activity that he's doing online and you cross check
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that with this straining order Natalie got against this dude because he was totally off the rails even before
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Natalie went missing before she was killed and you got to be saying to yourself and everyone that is willing to
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cheers to all the people in the back online SLU came up with what some were calling evidence or at least online
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evidence that Schwarz killed Natalie Bolinger they noticed that his incessant Facebook post came to a screeching halt
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on December 28th with a post about a missing child this around 300 a.m. that day then he remained offline for 19
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hours when he came back online his first post was about Natalie being missing this is at 9:50 p.m. on the 28th and
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here we go captain on January 9th police arrested 37-year-old sha Schwarz but the arrest was not for
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murder so obviously with this Arrest A lot of people online go well law enforcement got their man seems like
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shortz was at his Breaking Point yeah because again the arrest is not for the murder of Natalie Bolinger what happened
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was all of this online Warfare as the captain said pushed Schwarz to the breaking point he was already showing
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signs of severe mental illness after Natalie was found and the public tied of accusation against him contined to grow
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he increasingly and desperately posted about his innocence that he had been unfairly convicted in the court of
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public opinion and that he wanted to help bring the real killer to justice but he continued to
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spiral and spiral out of control and finally posted on his Facebook page quote I am on my way at John's Church in
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Boulder on 15th and spring Bru come out me in the ground you effing cowards is basically and I apologize for the broken
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English there but I'm reading it verbatim as he posted it so he's he's this is very dangerous Behavior right so
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he's being accused by all these people clearly he's at his breaking point now he's challenging all these people yeah
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challenging people being this is this is scary but it's also sad because you know
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that this man man is mentally ill th this is where I'm going to be this is where I'm going come at me all of you
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come and join me here and he says something about in the ground and I imagine that is he's saying I'm going to
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put anybody that comes after me in the ground right so this is activity that the police are witnessing they're
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they're watching it and they're monitoring this activity they take this as an indication that Schwarz was going
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to either harm himself or harm other people so they head over to his apartment for a welfare check they knew
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that he was entangled in the Natalie Ballinger case and they probably used this online post as an excuse to go and
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pay him a visit this is from The Daily Camera according to the arrest affidavit Boulder Police found Schwarz at St
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John's Episcopal Church where he told officers he missed his friend Ballinger and wanted to talk to her but could not
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because she was dead officers were able to get Schwarz to go with them to Boulder Community Health Foothills
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Hospital without incident but once he was there officers said he began screaming and yelling at the staff when
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he tried to leave the room and refused to listen to staff instructions police tried to place him under arrest so he's
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trying to leave and flee and they're like no you you you have to be here according to the affidavit Schwarz
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struggled with officers at one point trying to kick and bite them officers were eventually able to get Schwarz into
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custody and transported him to jail now we should note too that he had just one prior arrest in in in Boulder this was
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for theft so while he is saying a lot of violent and threatening statements online this is not a guy with a lengthy
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police record no but definitely a individual that's not stable so again he could hurt somebody but he could hurt
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himself and a lot of his posts are these wild uh aggressive posts but then there's also videos of him where he's
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comes across as very you know disheveled uh very Meek very timid uh so th this is a very difficult situation
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and obviously this has to be difficult go for friends and family members because you think law
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enforcement has to look at this guy and this guy just makes sense that he's the one that's responsible Schwarz was
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charged with second deegree assault on a peace officer obstructing a peace officer and resisting arrest the cops
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did tell the judge that he was a murder suspect and upped the bail but Shan Schwarz was released on a $5,000
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personal recognizes Bond which a lot of people at the time thought was kind of surprising but this would be unless he
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wasn't an actual murder suspect after this whole incident Schwarz denied that he had killed Natalie he continued to
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deny that he killed Natalie he posted online that cops scratched me off their list reportedly he had
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receipts verifying that he had a rock solid Alibi for the 28th and ID reported that Schwarz also claims
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that he was staying with a friend from December 26 through the period when Natalie disappeared and then was later
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found well this makes it more difficult for her friends and family and law enforcement because if you think this
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guy is responsible you're also afraid that he might do something to himself and that maybe we never get answers in
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Natalie's case well and what's wild here in this case captain and warranted in some
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way is people online were Furious they're like this guy so obviously killed this girl killed this young woman
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he needs to be arrested this case isn't that difficult what are these detectives
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doing what is this Sheriff's Department doing they're they're not capable of solving this clearly and not only that
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people online were Furious that she had a restraining order against this guy and
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they're like look the system failed to protect Natalie in life from this guy and now in death he's getting away with
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murder he he's not been arrested he's not charged and he's so obviously guilty that's what everybody's screaming from
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the mountaintops online so let's dive more into who Natalie was Natalie Marie Ballinger was born on February 24th 19
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1998 in Westminster Colorado to parents Rose and Ted Binger she had a twin sister Natalie graduated from Pathways
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High School in Colorado in 2017 and was accepted into a College nursing program with a scholarship her obituary reads
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Natalie lived in Colorado Rhode Island in Virginia Natalie was a gifted and talented artist that had been drawing
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sense she could first grasp a crayon she loved animals and nature she treated everyone and everything with respect and
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dignity no matter their station or circumstances okay so that's the information from Natalie's obituary put
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together by her mother but it has to be said that it appears the truth was a little bit darker her we reviewed
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Natalie's Facebook post for several years years before her death and sadly she had some demons there are references
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to drug addiction and self-mutilation there were several car accidents including one which was
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possibly a suicide attempt she talks about people letting her down frequently on Facebook and on the other hand though
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there are there are so many positive post as well about her artwork and about Buddhist principles and Zen mantras
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how proud she was to graduate from high school and how excited she was for college life but then there was her
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childhood which was not great to put it plain and simple we we got a lot to get through so I think we will stick to the
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investigation here Captain if we find that the investigation takes us to something related to her earlier family
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life or her childhood we will cycle back but only if relevant to the case so let's get right back to the where the
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investigation is leading us right we still have Mr sha Schwarz he's eager to prove that he and Natalie were actually
00:36:08
friends before everything went South Shan Schwarz posted something like 100 screenshots of messages between the two
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of them so he's trying to point out to people like hey not only did I not kill this young woman not only did I not do
00:36:26
what accusing me of doing but at one time we were actually friends I might be hurting too having lost Natalie these
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messages dated back to 2015 and in them the two seem to be unburdening themselves about their
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lives and finding support in each other and in each other's post and really kind
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of Consulting each other and helping each other through their trouble well when you're dealing with mental
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health issues and you find somebody else that has dealt with some of the same stuff as you you you feel less alone so
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you feel like you have a partner and and you feel that you can be open and honest
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with maybe some of these struggling thoughts that you have well and we've said it time and time again the captain
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is a huge proponent and even some people's Heroes for uh mental health but here's the thing this is such a human
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thing this is such a human experience if you're having weird thoughts or if you're if you're living in a in a dark
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period talk to somebody it's it's human there it's don't be afraid to address these issues because everybody has them
00:37:50
there is not if anybody tells you that they liveed their entire life with no Mental Health health concerns at all not
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even for a brief moment they're lying to you it's human talk to somebody you'll find support you'll find somebody that
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may even be experiencing the very same thing and can help you through it and so that's what Natalie was attempting to do
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here that's what Shawn was attempting to do here and it appears that they were able to help each other in some form or
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fashion at least early in their friendship well a lot of people have heard this analogy before but you know
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we need to talk more open openly and honestly about mental health and our struggles but also when we get better
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when we overcome some of those struggles and so when you're talking to your friend if if your friend came up to you
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and said hey I broke my arm you'd say you probably need to go see a doctor you probably need to see a professional to
00:38:47
get that fixed this needs to be standard conversation somebody saying I'm dealing
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with some dark tough issues and I'm dealing with some mental health issues and we need to get better
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at saying hey I I'm there for you I care about you and and you you should go seek
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treatment Natalie apparently met sha Schwarz in the park it seems likely that at the time based off of everything that
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we are seeing that Natalie was involved in drugs at that time she did get sober and even after getting sober she
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maintained a friendship with Shawn that's that's just a fact I know a lot of people don't like this sha Schwarz
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character but it's a fact that they were in fact friends or friendly at one time
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she's trying to help this guy and she's providing services for him that he needs
00:39:45
you know things like helping him with a ride somewhere from time to time and the
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verbal and emotional support by exchanging these messages now at some point this is in
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2016 they had a falling out which ended this friendship Schwarz reportedly claimed in one of his videos online that
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it was because he had posted personal information about Natalie this is personal information that she had shared
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with him and he ends up posting this online and making it public so we can see and
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certainly understand why they had a falling out right after her death Shawn tried to explain away the whole alleged
00:40:30
stalking thing too this to heavy.com he says quote I have a flip phone that proves I was invited to Virginia by
00:40:40
Natalie we had no sexual relationship I was her friend I went to Virginia because Natalie got into a car accident
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within 24 hours of telling me she wanted to kill herself that's why I went there
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we were friends end quote Yeah like you said some people don't want to hear it but they both obviously had a friendship
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at some point and at some point they were both dependent on each other all of these statements are true right it's
00:41:08
true Natalie did get into a ban accident totaling her car and the two had been friends but
00:41:14
clearly what so obvious to all of us and unfortunately was not ever obvious to Mr
00:41:21
Schwarz Natalie's impressions of him had completely changed at some point the Friendship went South and she became
00:41:29
afraid of him right she moves back to Colorado from Virginia in 2016 you can see it's not sadly we
00:41:39
cannot interview Natalie to find out were these moves to get away from him or were there a whole lot of other factors
00:41:49
involved in in the decision- making all time Natalie's parents contentious relationship was obvious and evident
00:41:57
from the planning of her funeral as reported by Investigation Discovery on January 8th Ted her father
00:42:06
announced that funeral services for Natalie would be held the following day but later announced that Services had
00:42:12
been cancelled due to quote issues with funding in the state of Colorado you must have both parents agree to all
00:42:21
funeral plans and Cemetery Arrangements they must also agree on funds coming from the District Attorney's office
00:42:29
Heath Carroll managing partner of the funeral home wrote in a Facebook post this may be funds from the burial
00:42:37
assistance program for lowincome families he wrote that Natalie's parents had been unable to reach an amicable
00:42:45
agreement so the services were cancelled it might show you a little bit of a glimpse of what Natalie was dealing with
00:42:53
with some of the struggles and the the fighting between her family members on January 11th Natalie's mother Rose Kelly
00:43:03
and her side of the family announced that Memorial Services would be held in Virginia on January 13th a funeral was
00:43:14
held for Natalie at the church of St Teresa in Chesapeake she says quote I am proud she
00:43:21
was mine Rose self told 10 onyou side news all of the work that she had done this is Rose talking about her daughter
00:43:30
Natalie all of the work that she had done and all of the plans she made and everything she was about to get
00:43:38
catapulted into all of that and she was super excited for her life end quote this we we discuss her having some
00:43:48
dark times and having some dark periods in her past but there was also you know life is a series of Peaks and valleys we
00:43:57
all go through the Peaks we all go through the valleys and Rose her mother is trying to point
00:44:03
out yes she had some of this dark stuff in her life but she had all these other things that she was excited about that
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she was planning for she was trying to plan for the future and she was excited about going to school and she was
00:44:17
excited about starting this portion of her life it also goes to show that this this is the parents this is her family
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this is her friends and loved ones trying to accept the situation and trying to understand this horrible
00:44:33
situation that they have found themselves [Music] [Applause] [Music] in [Music] want to thank everybody for joining us
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here in the garage stay tuned till tomorrow so much more left in this case and until then be good be kind and don't
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