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talk some true crime [Music] where we left off yesterday Captain Lori valow has upped and moved with her two
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children Tyle Ryan and JJ valow to Rexburg Idaho now on September 24th remember she
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called her son's school his new school to say that her son will be moving or staying at least in the state of
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Louisiana until October 29th maybe longer so JJ will no longer be attending Kennedy Elementary and will be
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homeschooled instead on the 1st of October Lori rents a 10x10 storage unit the following day Brandon budro this is
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Lori Val's nephew-in-law he is married to Lor's niece Melanie Brandon says when he came home from work
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they live in Gilbert Arizona he says that when he pulls into his driveway gets out of his vehicle
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someone shot at him he believes that a paintball gun was used to shoot at him he says that he spotted someone driving
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a green Jeep Cherokee that fled from the scene Brandon Buro hires a private investigator to get to the bottom of
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what could have happened one thing that is learned in this situation a little quick background here
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Melanie his former wife she is very much of the same beliefs as Lori she has gone
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along with Lori to some of these doomsday events that Lori keeps going to and now we have this incident out front
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of their home out front of Brandon's home where someone takes a shot at this guy his private investigators uncover a
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whole bunch of stuff but one of the most important things that they uncover is that a green Jeep Cherokee that he
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spotted at the scene fleeing the scene was once owned by Charles valow Lori Val's husband previous husband who was
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killed in July of that same year yeah so now there's multiple people that could have access to that correct on October
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9th Tammy debel this is Chad Dell's current wife she calls police this is after a
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masked man attempts to shoot at her in her garage now the way that this story goes
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Captain this is nighttime it's after Dark she's coming home from a trip to the grocery store she pulls in the
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driveway pulls into the garage garage door still open this man dressed in black wearing a mask runs up to her
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points a gun at her and pulls the trigger several times and nothing happens the man his reaction is to flee
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the area wow she reports like she even says to the guy what are you doing she doesn't understand what is going on when
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she tells police what went down she says I think he was trying to shoot me with a
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paintball gun but for some reason it didn't work well that's strange mhm why would you be shooting somebody with a
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paintball gun correct doesn't make any sense but it also goes a little bit along with the story that Brandon budro
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just said took place about a week earlier where he too thought he was shot at with a paintball gun right that is on
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October 9th Tammy debel Chad's current wife says she was the victim of this random weird assault attempt where
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somebody pointed a paintball gun at her pulled the trigger and nothing happened 10 days
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later you know the old expression Wake Up Dead well that's just what happens to Tammy deel she's found dead in her home
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in Salem Idaho approximately 5 miles away from Rexburg Idaho and it's initially ruled that
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Tammy mind you she's just 49 years of age at this time died of undisclosed causes purportedly in her sleep Chad
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debel her husband declined a postmortem autopsy of course he did and the County coroner did not overrule this
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decision so the death certificate reads that Tammy died of natural causes what is wrong with these people what's wrong
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with law enforcement what's wrong with these are the people that are supposed to protect us and they can't see through
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this malange of [ __ ] well the problem with everything going on here is there's no
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way for law enforcement to know that all of these things that are going on all these tragedies all these deaths they
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might somehow be connected law enforcement doesn't know that Chad debel and Lori valow have this very likely
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relationship that's going on undercover but there are some things that are going to tip law enforcement
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off to what might be actually going on here here's an interesting little note here Captain a wedding ring was
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purchased on Amazon using the deceased Charles Val's account the ring was purchased for
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$35.99 cents on October 2nd 2019 all right so Charles is dead so that means his wife can get married
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again Chad's wife is now dead so they can get he can get married again and then somebody purchases on Charles
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account through Amazon an engagement ring yes so wedding ring is purchased on Charles Amazon account wait way to [ __ ]
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on that guy's grave well and the reason why I'm pointing out this purchase here okay the purchase takes place on October
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2nd this is 17 days before Chad Dell's first wife passes away Lori valow paid for the ring on her deceased husband's
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Amazon account the ring was delivered to a rburg townhouse where Lorie valow was
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living that's really romantic pick out your own ring and buy it well I think that the ring was for Chad oh it was a
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male I guess I shouldn't assumed I guess right but what I'm pointing out here is
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we don't have any absolute proof of this of what I'm about to say but this to me
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would make me speculate that this is what is actually going on seems to me like Lori knew that she would be
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marrying Chad if this ring was in fact for him yeah he was currently married at the purchase time of this ring so was
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she told by Chad hey I'm going to split up with my wife or does she know that Tammy's going to mysteriously die in her
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sleep and then Chad is going to say no we don't need an autopsy because in Idaho they don't they won't do an
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autopsy this is my understanding I could have this wrong so this is a state where
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they will not do the autopsy unless it's requested by a family member she doesn't
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have anybody in her family requesting an autopsy Well Chad Dell's the he's the the husband the Father the leader of the
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family yeah but we all we've already determined he's nuts well we've determined that right can
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anybody else determine that I mean I'm not saying we're the we're the dumbest guys are but we're definitely not the
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brightest and we've already determined that on October wait hold on what about their kids well these are grown children
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they've been married for 28 years right but can't the grown children they would have to know something about their
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father wouldn't they be able to request this question I the way that it was explained to me yes it appears that they
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could request this but again they would have to be suspicious of something if they're not suspicious of anything
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there's no reason to make that request but on November 5th now mind you this is about 2 weeks after Chad buries his wife
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Tammy on a little trip to Hawaii Chad debel and Lori valow get married yep and they're just smiling
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I'll post a couple pictures of it just so you can be angry right right well then we have a
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couple weeks go by and there's nothing really to report well this is all going to change and the story is going to get
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pretty big with this next event that takes place on November 26th 2019 when the Rexburg Police Department
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conducts a well-being check on JJ they go to Lor's townhouse to look for JJ valow because remember his
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grandmother and grandfather say the last time we spoke with our grandson was way
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back in August yeah we're trying to get a hold of our grandson mind you they've moved off to Idaho but still we've not
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heard from him yet well and guess who's not in the wedding pictures neither one of the kids correct
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they're not in the wedding pictures and you also have a situation where the relatives of JJ that are calling police
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they're not aware that Lori has gone off and got married right what it this timeline and all of these
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events they may have sound confusing even we tried to put them together the best way that we could they are meant to
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be confusing all of these movements and actions put together and orchestrated by
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Lori valow and Chad debel are meant to confuse conf not just you the listeners not just the captain and the colonel
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This was meant to confuse anybody that was supposed to care for the people that they were going to harm and
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hurt the moving around the doing things in secret doing things behind closed doors all these lies all of these
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actions putting people off pushing people away keeping their distance so they don't have to answer questions
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about what happened to my father where are these children they just keep ducking
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people and providing no answers but on top of that this is her fifth marriage right I mean there's something off about
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this woman right right I'm just saying okay sorry you got me there Captain all right what we have here is
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wait hold on just to be clear I mean marriage is something that you might do once maybe twice maybe three times maybe
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even four times but once you do it five times it's just crossing a line it's unacceptable well this W welfare check
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is a big issue it's a big problem because when the police show up and they say hey we've got concerned relatives
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that want to know where JJ is We Need to Know Where Your Children Are should we be concerned well they even though
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they're told not to be concerned police get concerned because of the answers that they're getting from Lori and I'm
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going to give you the short of it because we're going to get into the details of this uh in the second half
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right but the short of it is Lori is kind of Cy about her answers right she's dodgy about the questions she says hey
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you don't have to worry because my daughter Tae is off at BYU and JJ is staying with some friends
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or relatives back in Arizona hold your horses I just want to remind The Listener about something Tae is 16 years
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old JJ is 7 years old mhm you don't think you'd want them at your wedding and your other
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excuses Tae is at college is that what she's trying to tell law enforcement correct now law enforcement has no idea
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about the all of the stories we just went through right all they know is that we have relatives calling from another
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state saying this woman moved away with her children and now we haven't heard from our grandson in months that's sad
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so police do not like the answers that they getting from Lori and so what they decide to do is you know what we're
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going to come back tomorrow with a warrant and we're going to search the home from my understanding Lori and Chad
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do not know that police are intending to come back but when police arrive guess what Lori's not there
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Chad's not there they're gone they picked up and abandoned all of their belongings and took
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off so a once concerned Police Department is now extremely concerned they weren't getting the answers that
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they liked the night before and now these people appear to have left the area yeah it's very fishy let's get back
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to Alex Cox remember he is Lor's sister in November on the 29th of 2019 Alex he got married and this was to
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a woman from Gilbert Arizona they went off to Las Vegas and they got married now we had mentioned earlier Melanie
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Buro she was the one who was newly divorced from Brandon Buro who he says someone took a shot at me in my driveway
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she marries this guy Ian on November 30th of that same year yeah it's a lot it's a lot to keep track of well here's
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where things get even more interesting for law enforcement anyway on December 11th this is after police start piecing
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things together they're like wait a second something's not right here something's extremely fishy these kids
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are missing these this mother she takes off [ __ ] new husband they figure out [ __ ] they figure out that she marries
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this guy oh and by the way they figure out that Tammy died of quote unquote natural
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causes less than a month before Chad Mary's Lor so now police are suspicious of her death well and on top of that
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have they got to the point of looking into Charles's death no they have not yet here's what
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we do have on December 11th 2019 authorities decide to further investigate the death of Tammy deel they
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decide that they're going to exume her body we need to figure out if she did in fact die of natural causes or not the
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next day December 12th Alex Cox Lor's brother the one who shot her husband in self-defense he says MH Alex Cox dies in
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Gilbert Arizona there's a 911 call that is made by the son of his new wife okay it's reported that Alex collapsed in the
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bathroom of the home with with his new wife his death is later attributed by by autopsy to natural causes and it lists
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blood clots and high blood pressure part of me goes well Karma eventually the universe caught up
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to you and was able to correct the wrong but do you think it was something a little more fishy than that I think
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something totally caught up to Alex Cox I don't know if it was Karma or if it was Lori and
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Chad because all of a these other Doomsday Preppers or these other people that believe in in what they're
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believing in these this cult-like mentality you you see this a lot with these herds of people that believe in
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the same crazy Voodoo now like you like we were saying earlier with Chad if you didn't believe
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what he believed you were on the wrong side what are these people with willing to do did did all of the sudden after uh
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this self-defense action by Alex did he start talking bad about Chad did he start questioning what they were doing
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and then now he's he's on the dark side and we got to get rid of him I think where the problem if in fact Lori Andor
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Chad would be responsible for Alex Cox's death which was ruled to be natural causes right blood clot or high blood
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pressure or both isn't it a little too convenient though that he has this heart condition and dies the day after police
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announc that they're going to further investigate the death of Chad's Wife Tammy yeah okay so the reason why we're
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going off on this weird thing here but hold on there's another layer of this pie not only are they going to go look
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into the death of Tammy they're looking in harder to where the children are right correct somebody that's probably
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responsible for some of it is Alex so guess whose body just couldn't take it he knows The Jig Is up they're going to get
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you I think he died from being scared to death it's possible and before we get into this next bit captain I want to
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make sure that I point this out first because it it's it's a the son of a [ __ ] died from being scared to death
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that's maybe the first time I ever heard of somebody act actually being scared to
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death in February of this year this would be February 24th of 2020 in a child custody court documents Brandon
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budro stated that Ian okay so Ian is his ex-wife's new husband Brandon states that Ian told law enforcement that
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Melanie his ex-wife conspired with her uncle Alex Cox Lor's brother to kill him okay remember this was the guy that
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was shot at in his driveway with the paintball gun well he spots the vehicle that that looks like Charles VA Val's
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old vehicle right okay so here's where we need to get into this story Alex Cox all of a sudden becomes the centerpiece
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for a lot of these weird mysterious events that are going on was he the person that took a shot at
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Brandon in the driveway was he the person that tried to shoot Tammy was he the person that was yeah the MK man
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dressed in black that took a shot at Tammy and when your sister is telling you hey by the way I got some money
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coming to me you kill my husband I get a million dollars and what if she's just constantly lying all the money hasn't
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come in yet and this guy thinks the payday has already happened and now I just got to clean up a a couple other
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messes for my sister and I'm going to get all this money but Alex Cox is one who totally believes all this zombie and
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Light Spirit dark Spirit [ __ ] he's all wrapped up in that game too yeah that's another motive so what
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we have here is this whole speculation by Tammy who reported that she leaves someone came up to her with a paintball
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gun pulled the trigger and nothing happened and then fled was she wrong was it a real gun did
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somebody come up and try to take her life right then and there on that day and it failed and then she magically
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[Music] that all right cheers mates cheers cheers to the crispiest so we already
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said in yesterday's episode that dine would eventually have an episode on this case called where are the children and
00:27:29
that would be the biggest question for a very long time eventually that question
00:27:35
will morph into what happened to the children but I think Captain what we're going to be able to do here is I think
00:27:41
we're going to be able to answer most of those questions fill in a lot of those blanks and at least put together a story
00:27:48
that will show you just about what happened here in this situation now where we left off we have
00:27:57
two kids kids that are missing police are looking for these two kids and when they go knocking on Lor's door the next
00:28:03
day boom she's gone as well so now we have to find the parents the authorities are left with no answers no clues and
00:28:11
they're sitting around trying to piece everything together in this whole mixed up jumbled story so on December 20th
00:28:19
2019 the Rexburg Police Department officially announced an investigation into the disappearances of Ty and JJ
00:28:28
using cell phone technology authorities are able to locate Lori valo they find out that she
00:28:37
is in Kawaii in Hawaii they locate both her and Chad deel when they do they serve Lori with a court order requiring
00:28:47
her to produce the children within 5 days or they will arrest her 5 days comes five days goes Lori misses the
00:28:56
court order dead line to produce the children yeah she doesn't even show up to court right and what they are able to
00:29:03
do the authorities that is they're able to determine that Lori and Chad they bought tickets they flew off to Hawaii
00:29:12
and they did not take the children with them how do they know that there were no
00:29:15
airline tickets purchased for the children they have camera footage there's no the children aren't seen at
00:29:22
the airport or getting onto the airplane right so the law allows them to arrest Lori because she can now be a Char she
00:29:32
can now be charged with abandonment of these two children that you so astutely pointed out earlier these are not adult
00:29:39
children 16 and S years old and by this time Tye would have had another birthday
00:29:47
so she would be 17 at this point okay so what we have here Captain is they are notified that these children are missing
00:29:56
on November 26th that's when they go knocking on Lorie's door then the parents disappear
00:30:03
Lori and Chad disappear it's not until February 20th of 2020 that Lori valow is arrested in Kawaii think about how much
00:30:13
time that is now let's take it back a step further when is the last known sighting of both of these children
00:30:21
wasn't that the the park well we have the park sighting of Ty Lee which took place
00:30:27
in early September 2019 then we have we know that JJ went to school on Friday the 20th of
00:30:37
September so it's time Captain for no more mystery here is what law enforcement says to be the facts yeah
00:30:45
that's of the case put a bow on it law enforcement states that Lori valow moved to Rexburg on or about September 1st
00:30:53
2019 with Tye and JJ and her brother Alex Cox Lorie valow resided with her children at 565 Pioneer Road Unit
00:31:05
175 Cox her brother Alex resided in the same complex initially living in the same unit as Lori and then moving into
00:31:15
his own unit at this would be Unit 107 in the same complex the last verifiable sighting of Tye was on September 8th
00:31:26
2019 in Yellowstone National Park the last verifiable sighting of JJ was September 22nd 2019 in his mother's
00:31:36
apartment in Rexburg Indiana this is by Lor's friend Melanie Gibb who we've already talked about and her boyfriend
00:31:44
David War the police go on to say while the rburg police and FBI have received many tips of alleged sightings since the
00:31:52
beginning of the case none of these tips have led to any verifiable or actionable
00:31:58
information regarding the health safety or location of the two children in question they go on to say on November
00:32:06
26th 2019 detectives went to Lori Val's home this is the condo unit number 175 in Rexburg Idaho to conduct a welfare
00:32:19
check detectives met with Alex Cox and Chad debel outside of the residence Chad acted as if did not know Lori very well
00:32:30
and stated he didn't know her phone number Alex Cox told the detectives that JJ was with his grandmother K Woodcock
00:32:38
in Louisiana which detectives say this is not likely to be true due to the fact that K was the individual who first
00:32:46
called in a missing child report to the police department Alex [ __ ] says that Lori may be in apartment 107 the
00:32:55
detectives went to apartment 107 but the apartment was completely empty and vacant then detectives saw Chad deel
00:33:03
driving a black Chevy Equinox away from the residence detectives stopped Chad and asked him again if he had seen JJ
00:33:13
Chad responded that the last time he had seen JJ was an apartment 107 in October he also admitted that he knew
00:33:21
Lori Val's phone number and provided it to the detectives oh how quickly this story changes well and keep in mind this
00:33:30
man is telling the detectives he does not know Lori but unbeknownst to the detectives at this time the two were
00:33:37
married right they were married in Hawaii yeah now on the same day the detectives spoke with Lori valow in her
00:33:46
apartment this was apartment 175 Lori told the detectives that JJ was in Gilbert Arizona with her friend named
00:33:55
Melanie Gibb they obtained Gibb's phone number from Lori they attempted to call Melanie but they were unable to contact
00:34:03
or speak with her at that time Lori tells the detectives that Tye was attending BYU in Idaho but living there
00:34:13
with Lori now because the detectives were unable to contact this Melanie Gibb they immediately contacted Lori again
00:34:22
after they left the the premises and they requested that she that Lori called Melanie and Lori says
00:34:30
you know what I can't call Melanie she's not going to answer the phone because her and my son JJ they're at a movie
00:34:38
they're out seeeing Frozen too yeah cold never bothered me anyway so she won't answer her phone by the evening of the
00:34:47
26th they had not heard from Melanie Gibb this is when they start to get really suspicious of what's going on and
00:34:55
they get the search warrant to come back the next day and then Lori and Chad are
00:35:01
gone right and Lori and Chad are probably not even clued into the idea that law enforcement would have been
00:35:07
able to get a search warrant that quickly so the way that they get this search warrant that quickly is
00:35:13
eventually they do hear from Melanie Lor's friend right and what they hear is not what they want to hear they hear
00:35:21
from Melanie hey I've not seen JJ he's not staying with me like she told you and I've not seen him in
00:35:29
months she actually calls back on December 6th and add some new information that's even more damning to
00:35:38
Lori and Chad she tells detectives that Not only was JJ not staying with me like
00:35:45
Lori told you but that same night when you guys were trying to get a hold of me and couldn't get a hold of me I did
00:35:53
speak with Lori and I did speak with Chad on two separate phone calls calls Chad was telling me hey the police are
00:36:01
going to try to get a hold of you they're looking for JJ just don't pick up your
00:36:05
phone the other conversation was that Lori told her this is this is even more uh even more weird
00:36:16
she says if you talk to the police tell them that JJ is staying there with you tell
00:36:23
them that you were busy you guys were at a movie and could you take some random pictures of children out in public like
00:36:30
a big group of them from a distance so that we can send those to police and I can tell them hey there's JJ In The
00:36:38
Crowd Oh my God so this is not looking good for finding the children there's levels of horrible people yes but she
00:36:48
just keeps getting higher and higher on the list so there's your confirmation of
00:36:53
whatever happened to these two poor kids it took place before police went looking
00:36:57
for them on November 26th yeah now we'll get a little more deeper into the details here because remember we said
00:37:07
that the last verifiable sighting of Ty Lee was in Yellowstone National Park on September 8th
00:37:16
2019 It is believed that Ty Lee left the national park in her uncle Alex's silver Ford
00:37:28
F-150 they being law enforcement tracked this trip via GPS cell tower connections and Google
00:37:38
account information on Alex Cox's phone they know what time Alex Cox and Ty Lee and the family left the park they went
00:37:49
on to use this technology and they're calling it well it's cellular analysis survey team that they got involed
00:37:56
involved with to come up with this information they call it cast for short and this is something that the FBI was
00:38:02
using helping local law enforcement look for these kids or what happened to these
00:38:08
kids they analyzed Alex Cox's phone and they were able to provide all kinds of locational information that took place
00:38:18
that day as well as the next day and it does not look good none of it looks good
00:38:23
as far as this technology goes Captain this is so Advanced that cast they're super highly accurate on placing one's
00:38:33
phone what location that that phone is they can do it within a matter of about 15 ft meaning that if you are carrying
00:38:43
your phone in your pocket and you show up at a property let's say this is a large property this technology is so
00:38:51
accurate they can tell if you are standing inside the house of that property or outside of the house on that
00:38:57
property can they tell if I have my pants on or not so what's even worse about this situation is when they track
00:39:04
Alex Cox's phone for the night of September 9th yeah going into the 10th here is what they figure out
00:39:15
several times in the middle of the night between the hours of midnight and 6:00 a.m. Alex's phone is moving from his
00:39:23
condo unit to Lori Val's condo unit or apartment whatever you want to call it where she lives with Tye and JJ law
00:39:33
enforcements say that this is significant not only because it was in the middle of the night but because it's
00:39:37
the only time that he appears his phone appears to go over to Val's apartment in
00:39:44
the middle of the night right between midnight and 6:00 a.m. okay at 4:37 Alex Cox's phone goes
00:39:51
back to his own apartment then the next time that we track his phone at 9:21 a.m. there's a reading for a GPS data
00:40:03
point that places his phone behind Chad daybell's home on the east side of the property which is behind a barn that is
00:40:13
owned by the DeBell family his phone places him at the debel residence for the next couple of hours later the FBI
00:40:25
who are now examining Tammy daybell's phone you know she since passed away be it she was
00:40:33
murdered or natural causes the FBI found a text conversation between Tammy and Chad which took place
00:40:42
the day after the last known sighting of Ty Lee in Yellowstone National Park Chad
00:40:49
to Tammy at 11:53 a.m. wrote well I've had an interesting morning I felt I should burn all of the limb debris by
00:41:00
the fire pit before it got too soaked by the coming storms while I did so I spotted a big raccoon along the fence I
00:41:09
hurried and got my gun and he was still walking along I got close enough that one shot did the trick he is now in our
00:41:18
pet cemetery fun times then Chad texts Tammy again a few minutes later gonna shower now and then go write for a while
00:41:29
at BYU love you Tammy responds to Chad good for you and then Chad texts Tammy again at 2:48 p.m. saying I'm back home
00:41:40
now what do you think this means this means they probably buried the body buried Charlie's body behind
00:41:50
the barn so I think what happened here is for whatever reason very likely Lori getting Alex her brother to possibly
00:42:04
once again do her dirty work he takes Ty over to Chad's house while Tammy is gone and what Chad is now doing after
00:42:15
the fact this is this is minutes these texts go to his wife Tammy minutes after Alex's phone leaves his
00:42:24
property what does this story do man this this will explain away any questions that the neighbors might have
00:42:32
or that Tammy might have in advance right I was out here burning wood debris because the storms were going to come oh
00:42:40
while I was out here I spotted a a pest a raccoon mhm shot the son of a [ __ ] and oh if the neighbors heard a gunshot
00:42:49
by the way that's cuz I killed a raccoon and then I buried it so if you see Disturbed ground on our property I bu
00:42:56
buried it in our pet cemetery and it's that not that bad of a story you know it would seem to make
00:43:03
sense yeah but again if you're burning evidence if you kill someone with a single shot and you bury them well the
00:43:12
question you've just explained away everything yeah my question is was it Chad that shot her was it
00:43:21
Alex cuz I don't know with Alex it's like I could kind of understand that maybe you didn't like your
00:43:29
brother-in-law or something you had some issues with him but your own niece like
00:43:35
regardless what kind of pile of [ __ ] are you if we believe all right let's regardless if we believe this fake text
00:43:42
story from Chad to Tammy yeah and we believe what the technology tells us regarding Alex Cox's phone being at Chad
00:43:51
Dell's property then both of them were present for either The Killing and burial of
00:43:58
this child and then it gets even worse here Captain because if you are to look at the evidence and what it points out
00:44:05
to us the possibilities it seems very likely that these two children were killed either by Alex and or
00:44:16
Chad and this thing this whole thing could have been orchestrated by Lor and orchad but it seems like these three
00:44:24
knew what the hell was going on and that these two children were killed at separate times on different days yeah
00:44:31
because that's the only thing that explains away why we saw Tye in early September and then days
00:44:38
later we don't see her but we see JJ we have a verified sighting of JJ and this comes from when Melanie Gibb and her
00:44:46
boyfriend David War were at Lor's apartment okay MH this is what they told police they had an in-depth discussion
00:44:55
with police regarding the weekend of September 22nd and September 23rd 2019 this would be as I speculate uh
00:45:05
what about two weeks after Tye was likely murdered I'm just thinking about that poor seven-year-old boy asking where his
00:45:15
sister is cuz you know they didn't probably pay him much attention or really care too much about him and she
00:45:23
probably did and she probably protected him so Melanie and David both tell police
00:45:30
that when they were there on the 22nd and 23rd they tell police that the last time
00:45:36
that they saw JJ was on the night of September 22nd 2019 now that night Lori valow tells her
00:45:45
guest Melanie and David that her son is acting up so her brother Alex is going to come over collect the child and take
00:45:54
him back to his apartment again in the same complex the last time they see the child Alex Cox is holding
00:46:02
JJ who appears to be asleep with his head on Alex's shoulder this is very troubling because we talked about the
00:46:11
FBI using that cast technology team to analyze Alex Cox's phone or the movement of his
00:46:19
phone well they tracked that phone for the morning of September 23rd the next morning
00:46:26
once again at 9:55 a.m. Alex is at Chad Dell's property he is there for about 15
00:46:35
minutes yeah to make a long story short they end up finding the remains of both of these children in June of
00:46:46
2020 and of course they find them on Chad Dell's property east side of the barn uh the information I have I don't
00:46:57
know how specific it gets but it seems like they were the FBI and local police were snooping around that so-called pet
00:47:04
cemetery on Chad Dell's property yeah it's disgusting yeah and there's some evidence that they went to a
00:47:12
considerable amount of work and effort to try to conceal evidence and cause of death and Ty's body that there that her
00:47:25
body was burned and and um yeah it's just it's pathetic and you know that parents or
00:47:35
uncle or anybody that would do this to their children and for what so you just don't
00:47:44
have the burden of them because they had people in their lives they had family members in their lives that love them
00:47:51
and I'm sure if they would have said hey uh you know if I have to have the burden
00:47:57
of having these kids anymore I'm just going to go ahead and kill them somebody would have taken on that responsibility
00:48:05
or by the by the way their their dad would have but you killed him well that's what it's starting to look like
00:48:12
right once you figure out what has very likely happened to these children that they were murdered dismembered and and
00:48:19
then hidden this is like a triangle of serial killers then you have to go back and you go okay well these deaths that
00:48:27
one that was thought to have been self-defense a couple of others that were thought to be natural causes now
00:48:35
you have to question all of that because you have these three Psychopaths that seem to be working together in cahoots
00:48:42
to off family members yeah and thank God that you had relatives that cared so much for these children that they
00:48:51
reported them missing and several of them plad public for the return or at least hey Lori tell
00:48:59
us where these kids are why won't you say anything and it was only that call to report these children missing that
00:49:07
led to all of this other stuff coming to light to be suspicious Behavior oh yeah
00:49:13
luckily there was people that cared about him enough to start calling or we would never have answers there'd just be
00:49:19
a bunch of questions and then you have to wonder well who's in charge here is this a situ ation where Chad and Lori
00:49:27
and Alex really believed did they truly believe that the end of the world was coming that we're surrounded by zombies
00:49:37
and they needed to rid the Earth of these zombies and did they believe that they relatives the ones that were dying
00:49:43
around them that they were the zombies or is it just kind of convenient that they go you know what I don't want to be
00:49:50
married no more oh I could get a big life insurance policy right or it's they could use this weird defense of well I
00:49:59
believe all this stuff so I was actually protecting my children from the end times well and it's really starting to
00:50:05
look like Alex was either the killer or participated in killing a lot of these people and then you really question his
00:50:13
death as well I really think he died from knowing that he's going to get busted um that that's my gut feeling
00:50:21
there it's possible I what I wonder with all of these heart attacks or natural causes Tammy dies in her sleep an
00:50:29
ex-husband dies of a heart attack Alex dies of something similar is it some kind of poisoning is somebody poisoning
00:50:36
somebody or injecting somebody with something that's causing these to appear to be natural deaths yeah same they
00:50:43
could have done the same thing to the the children as well well and then you wonder did they attempt to do this to
00:50:50
Charles and he fought back right and he was shot in the process and unfortunately I do believe that that
00:50:59
gunshot that was intended for the fake raccoon really indicates maybe the cause of death in one of the children and so
00:51:09
you really wonder how I mean we've talked about a lot of horrible crazy cases on this show over the years and
00:51:19
this is about one of the most evil cases I can think of yeah I mean this puts her
00:51:26
right up there with Casey Anthony and I I was hoping and praying because you also have to keep in mind
00:51:34
too when Lori was arrested she was only arrested because she failed to provide the courts what they were asking for
00:51:40
it's basically contempt of court and she is charged with abandonment of her children because they could prove that
00:51:47
she left and went off to Hawaii without taking her children with her right so she's in jail waiting for trial for this
00:51:54
whole time they still don't know where the kids are Chad Dell's out doing his thing he even appears in court in
00:52:02
support of Lori or if he's the puppet master in controlling everything maybe that's his way to remind her that he's
00:52:09
still in control of her when he shows up for court he's not arrested until they find the remains on his property yeah so
00:52:18
now they've opened up reopened up the investigation into what happened to his first wife Tammy they've started an
00:52:24
investigation as to was this actually self-defense the the death of Charles valow they're really looking and sorting
00:52:33
and sifting through all of this stuff and we're probably going to see trials next year I would believe for both Lori
00:52:41
and Chad yeah I think there's some updating that will need to be done there because there's still some loose ends
00:52:48
like you said who who was the leader of this was it a triangle or was it just the two at the end of the day these are
00:52:55
horrible individuals and I hope they start that nonsense and zombie talk in in prison and I hope those prisoners
00:53:02
just [ __ ] them up just really [ __ ] him up well you also have to wonder too was
00:53:08
was Alex Cox just some kind of tool was he just some kind of psychopath that was
00:53:13
willing to do anything requested by his sister and that he that he was this murderous man right and that he was some
00:53:22
kind of tool for them to use and that they were both the puppet master of this guy and then when it started crashing
00:53:29
down all around them that maybe they killed him off and maybe those maybe he's the only one that those two
00:53:36
actually killed but if you take it and you think about it in that manner then you have to wonder who's who's more sick
00:53:43
and twisted Chad or Lori or is it equal and I'm starting to think that it's equal because I've had a lot of people
00:53:48
review this case and try to tell me you know what Chad was pulling the strings Chad was having Lori do whatever he
00:53:54
wanted to and I don't believe that for a second why because we have that attack on her previous husband that took place
00:54:02
years before she even met this Chad guy yeah possibly but the other evidence is he was married for what 26 years all of
00:54:11
a sudden she comes along and he's just he like becomes a zombie for her you know does whatever he can to to to want
00:54:20
to be with her you know yeah and we also have information out there that even though Lori didn't receive insurance
00:54:29
money from the death of Charles valow that Chad received over $400,000 when his wife tamy passed away
00:54:38
you know I don't know if there's a heaven or hell or anything like that but I I really hope there is so so this son
00:54:46
of a [ __ ] can burn there for a very long time they do have a witness who claims to have heard Chad tell them that
00:54:58
he cannot move forward with his plan until his wife is dead all right once you're done with
00:55:18
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