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Clinton had integrated a number of corrupt cops, judges, and politicians into highlevel positions to ensure the
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continued success of the drug smuggling moneyaundering operations. All was going
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well until a fateful night in the fall of 1987. On August 22nd, 1987, Kevin had spent
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the night with his friend Don Henry. They left uh Don's home around 12:30 or4 to 1 uh on the 23rd of August in early
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morning hours and uh the next thing we knew they had been run over by a train. There seems to be a small air strip in
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the area. There have been sightings and uh reports of small airplanes flying very low with lights off in the
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area. I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen. Three weeks later, their deaths were ruled accidental by
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the state medical examiner Fammy Malik. And [music] um we disagreed with that ruling uh
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because we thought the evidence pointed to homicide. Uh at that point, we had a lot of questions and no answers. uh and
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the facts didn't add up to what he was telling us. So we decided to get a second opinion
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and uh met with resistance from all fronts both with our local law enforcement with state crime lab uh with
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everybody that we turned to. Um, we obtained court orders, uh, we requesting samples of everything that the crime lab
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had for a second opinion and, uh, Fammy Malik um, uh, resisted court orders. Uh, he
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refused to obey them. >> Ultimately, it was proven that Don Henry had been stabbed in the back and Kevin
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IV's skull had been crushed prior to the placement of their bodies on the railroad tracks. However, Malik stood by
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his ruling that the boys had simply fallen asleep on the tracks. Malik had been kept in office at the insistence of
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Governor Clinton for a number of years, despite vigorous public outcry to have him removed. As long as Malik's rulings
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pleased the governor's office or state police, [music] they were left to stand, no matter how implausible.
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Malik's obvious lack of medical knowledge reached a pinnacle when he ruled that James Milm, who had been
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decapitated, had died of natural causes. Yet Clinton, who had the power to remove
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Malik from office, insisted he stay. >> There were allegations of tampering with
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evidence and murder cases. Uh there were allegations of perjury in different cases. It didn't seem to
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matter what Malik did. Clinton uh protected him. He made excuses such as he's overworked. Uh he's just stressed
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out, he's underpaid. Uh they gave him a $14,000 raise, which was an insult uh to
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my family as well as a lot of others in the state who um to this day are struggling with asinine rulings in the
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deaths of children and other loved ones. I was outraged that protecting a political crony
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of Clintons was more important than the fact that two young boys had been murdered.
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>> Dan Harmon was just a local attorney in in the town of Benton, Arkansas. And uh
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after Don Henry and Kevin Ives were killed and their bodies placed on the tracks and run over by a train,
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he approached Linda Ives and the Henry family about trying to help him. He's a manipulator.
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Gives a great closing argument in court. He's been trained [music] for years to play the game. He knows how to do it.
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>> He's very good at it. Mr. Harmon can win your confidence, make you think he's the greatest guy in the
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world. >> He did that to Linda Ives. He helped lead him down a path that absolutely led to nowhere [music]
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on this case. I got involved in the case and immediately Harmon uh tried to discredit me without even
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knowing me. um couldn't figure it out. I run across a young lady named Charlene Wilson
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who told a horror story that I didn't really believe at the time. So I started searching for evidence to
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substantiate just [music] part of what she had said. Herman went ballistic. Called, he threatened me, threatened
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Sheriff Bridgen, threatened Captain Jean Don, the chief deputy. All because I talked to this one woman.
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>> The people at the track that night to my knowledge were Dan Harmon, Keith McCascal, Larry Rochelle.
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On Sunday, August 23rd, 1987, two teenage boys were run over by a train traveling through Bryant, Arkansas. What
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followed was an investigation by local law enforcement. This is the Saline County Sheriff's Office, who refused to
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investigate this as a possible homicide. They saw no evidence of foul play, but they weren't really looking for any. Uh
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publicly, the sheriff's office spoke of the incident as though it were an accident. And to the families of the two
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teenagers, 17-year-old Kevin Ives and 16-year-old Don Henry, they talked as if this were a likely suicide. The medical
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examiner, this is the captain's friend, Fami Malik, >> ruled the deaths an accident due to
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marijuana intoxication. >> Well, he ruled these deaths an accident due to his stupidity.
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>> Months after the deaths, two men present themselves to the families of the boys.
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This is Richard Garrett and he brings in Dan Harmon who is appointed as a special
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prosecutor in this matter working with the grand jury trying to piece together a double murder case. And Garrett and
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Harmon will help out in this case. They do get it overturned from accidental death to a possible murder.
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>> Yes. And then they start investigating looking for the killer or killers of these two boys. Last week, we took you
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through the night the two boys were run over, the medical examiner's findings, and even though the sheriff's office and
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the medical examiner both decided this was an accident, we showed you a second autopsy which showed significant
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evidence that both boys were dead before they were placed on the tracks and that
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both boys were murdered and placed there so that their bodies and all other evidence would be destroyed. And we can
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clearly see that Don was stabbed in the back. And we also can see that Kevin was
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he had a skull fracture. Somebody and we have eyewitnesses that saw uh possibly a
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police officer hitting him with a object in the face. >> Mhm. Probably the very rifle that the
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two boys were carrying that night. >> Very possible. >> Fluids in the body pointed toward a
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slower death for both and not a sudden death like that of a being run over by a train. and eyewitness statements
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regarding the lack of blood and the color of the blood, proving that the blood itself was not fresh. We also
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talked about witness statements, many of these given to the Arkansas State Police. Two witnesses placed Dan Harmon
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at the tracks the night that the boys died. This is why the case is so odd is because you have this guy, this
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prosecutor that comes forward and says, "Hey, you know, this lawyer that says, "Hey, I can help this family. I can
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bring some justice. Oh, it it was an accidental death. It was a murder and we're going to find this person. But
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then the more you dig, you realize this person that's claiming they're going to help you, they're they're the ones that
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people are saying it possibly is uh responsible for these murders. >> Yes. Exactly. Now, we do have to
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introduce a man by the name of Barry Seal. Barry Seal was a gun runner and a drug runner in the 80s. Uh Barry would
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arrange for privatelyowned planes to fly guns to Colombia. And on return flights,
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he was bringing drugs back into the United States. At least one pilot has come forward who claimed to have many
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times flown a drug drop at the place where the boys had died. >> Some of the local law enforcement was in
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charge of securing these drops. And just prior to Kevin and Don's deaths, a drop
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at that location had gone missing. So those local law enforcements that that were involved in this operation, well,
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they were on high alert. They were waiting for somebody to try to steal that next drop.
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>> And then that night, Kevin Ives and Don Henry happened by. >> Let's get to each one of the
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eyewitnesses and what happened with them after they came forward with information.
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>> Well, we should start off with the big one, and this is Charlene Wilson. She had the statement saying that the people
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at the tracks that night were Dan Harmon, Keith McKascal, and Larry Rochelle. She also said that she
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believed that the boys were watching the drop site and that they got curious about what was being dropped there.
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Well, we know that Charlene Wilson, she ends up in prison. >> Yeah. >> And who puts her in prison? Uh, our good
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friend Dan Harmon. >> Right. Right. Well, we got to put her in prison so she stops running her mouth.
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>> Right. And the thing is that the thing that's crazy about her confession >> is that this was a confession that was
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she gave this confession written confession in her in her own in her own writing.
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>> Mhm. >> And this is witnessed by three officials, three law law enforcement officials. And we know that because
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their signatures are on her confession. >> Well, when I normally confess to something, I do it in somebody else's
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handwriting. Well, she confesses in front of these three people in 1993 and then this confession goes nowhere.
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None of these law enforcement officials do anything with this confession. It's buried in the crime file,
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>> right? >> And in the case file, and it's not discovered again until 2015, >> right? Just to play a little devil's
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advocate here, though. Is it a coincidence though that she is put in jail by Dan Harmon, you know, put away
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to keep her quiet or is she coming out later saying, "Oh, he was involved in these murders," which maybe he was,
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maybe he wasn't. We also had several witnesses who placed two Palaski County officers, this is Kirk Lane and Jay
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Campbell, as not only being in the area where the boys were killed, but as having been seen, and I'll quote one of
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the witnesses statements, as beating the [ __ ] out of the two boys near the grocery store down by the tracks. The
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first man was who we simply just know as Jerry, who was described as a Mexican looking man in a dark blue Camaro.
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>> Right. Jerry, after telling Mike Crook that he had witnessed the two boys being
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beat up and thrown into the back of an unmarked police car, he went and told this story to Sheriff Jim Steed. Now,
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pay attention cuz that's a name that's going to come up several times. Jim Steed was the boss hog at Saline County.
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He was the sheriff. He was running the sheriff's office. Jim Steed threw Jerry into jail and locked him up for 90 days
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for unpaid child support. The day that Jerry gets out of jail, he tells Jim Crook that he was told to leave town or
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else and that he [clears throat] was moving to California. Jerry did leave town. We don't know exactly where he
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went, uh, but he's not been seen again. And Jim Crook's story was presented to the Arkansas State Police several months
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after the fact, and they made what I would argue to be no effort to identify this man that we only know as Jerry.
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Well, first of all, like I said, sketchy Jerry, you got to pay for your kids. You
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know, if you have child support, pay for your damn kids, right? >> Mhm. >> That's one. Uh, two, who knows where he
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went off to. Uh, it's it's a little weird. >> It's definitely weird. >> But, uh, it's weird, too, that obviously
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they had reason to lock him up. >> Mhm. >> For the child support, so they know his
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name. >> Mhm. and why they're, you know, maybe they're just not releasing to the public
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for his protection or maybe something foul play happened and they don't want that to be brought to life.
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>> Or does Jim Steed have a bigger role in this whole thing? >> Mhm. >> The other witness was Ronnie Godwin who
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stated that he had observed two police officers beat up two boys at the grocery store the night Kevin and Don were
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killed. >> Ronnie, >> well, it was more like a convenience store. Mhm. Ronnie Godwin gave his
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statement to the police and we should be very clear about this. He gave this statement to police during the time of
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the investigation. Now, Linda Ives, she's the mother of Kevin Ives and Gan Duffy, who is a former Saline County
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prosecutor, and I I [clears throat] want to put quotation marks up here. She's one of the good ones. Um, Gene Duffy
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interviewed Godwin 11 years after the murders and Godwin's statements were identical to the statements that he had
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given to the police at the time of the investigation. Also included in the state police report were these
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interviews with Godwin's mother, sister, and girlfriend in which they all reported to have said that when Ronnie
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drinks, he tells lies. But we need to keep in mind that when Godwin was interviewed by the state police in 1988,
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he had g he had been in jail for a couple weeks before giving the statement. So he was he would have been
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sober at this time. >> Now, Linda and Jean also contacted Ronnie's mother to discuss her
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statements to the state police about Ronnie. She told them that she had never been interviewed by the state police.
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She also was certain that neither Godwin's sister or girlfriend had been interviewed by the state police either.
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So if this is true, then the state police had manufactured interviews of witnesses to discredit Ronnie Godwin.
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>> Well, yeah, I think it was this I think it was this simple. Uh we don't get we
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don't have to kill this guy cuz he he's a drunk. >> Yeah, he's got a bad reputation. We can
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smear his reputation pretty. >> He's a drunk. He's a liar. This is this is not going to go anywhere. So we don't
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have to we don't have to knock this guy off. >> But the thing we do have to remember,
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Captain, is that Ronnie told almost the same story as Jerry did. This lining up with Jerry's story corroborating both
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stories. Godwin via Right. But but but Jerry is one, he's shady. He's a dirt bag, doesn't pay for his kids, and he
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left town. >> So now he's already smeared. Now we got this guy with a drinking problem. Just
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because you have a drinking problem doesn't mean you're a liar. Mhm. [snorts] Now, Godwin stated that he did
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not tell anyone what he had witnessed that night until he reported it to police.
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>> Um, he also believes that the two officers that killed the boys that night that they saw him as he passed by the
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store and probably recognized his car. Another state police interview states Richard Garrett, remember this is Dan
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Harmon's sidekick, rushed over to interview Godwin a second time. >> Right. It would seem that officials were
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taking Godwin's statement seriously. Uh, as it turns out, they were only serious
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about discrediting Godwin, >> right? >> Following the interviews with Godwin, there was no attempt to identify the
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cops that Godwin had saw. No photos of local officers or unmarked cars were shown to him. No check of officers in
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the area that night who would fit the description. There was no check for traces of blood or other evidence in the
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back of any of the unmarked cars. Nothing. Just discrediting Godwin's statements by fabricating interviews
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with his mother, sister, and girlfriend, stating that when Ronnie drinks, Ronnie
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lies. >> Mhm. >> The only true effort to identify Jerry was the state police stating that Jerry
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and Ronnie Godwin were one and the same. >> Right. So, was Shady Jerry actually Godwin? Well, Godwin was shown the state
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police interview with Mike Crook, and he simply states that he and Crook knew each other. Crook at the time was
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married to Godwin's cousin, and so Godwin presented his story to police. So, there's no reason for Crook to call
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Godwin Jerry uh when he knew him. Furthermore, Godwin has never been jailed for back child support. In fact,
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Godwin has always had custody of his only child. >> Mhm. >> Crook also confirmed that Jerry and
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Ronnie Godwin were not the same person. >> They don't come out and say who Shady
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Jerry is. They just said, "Oh, well, he was in jail and then he disappeared and we don't know what happened to him and
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now we got this other guy, Godwin." And Godwin is just a drunk. >> Right. >> So, that takes care of two eyewitnesses.
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>> Mhm. But [snorts] see, here's where things start to get a little scary here, Captain. Both Jerry and Godwin, they
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describe three boys driving up to the grocery store on a motorcycle. >> Don Henry,
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>> two Yes. >> Kevin Ives and who's the third one? >> Well, we have we have they state the two
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boys get off of the motorcycle and around that same time, officers Campbell and Lane arrive. The boy on the
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motorcycle takes off. Now, this has to be Keith Coney, >> a young man who told his mother he knew
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some stuff about the night the boys were murdered, >> right? >> A young man who told his father he had
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seen Kevin and Don the night that they were killed and he believed the two were killed by two police officers.
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>> All three of these stories align with one another. Three people that do not know each other and the same story is
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told independently of each other. Now, Keith also had said that he was afraid for his life because he knew too much
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about Kevin's and Dawn's murders. Now, Coney was killed in 1988 in a motorcycle crash. This was 9 months after Kevin and
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Don were murdered. The official report was that Coney had run his motorcycle into the back of a semitr traveling at a
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high rate of speed. Now, Keith Coney was one of the last people to be seen with Kevin and Don alive. Keith had been
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called to testify. He was subpoenaed by Dan Harmon to testify in front of the grand jury.
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>> Now, there are many people that say that his death had not been a highway accident. that these witnesses had said
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that Keith was attempting to escape an attack, that he had jumped on his bike and tried to flee at a high rate of
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speed, and he was actually being chased by a vehicle when he swerved into the back of the truck. Witnesses saw Keith's
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body. They reported that his throat had been slashed and he had several wounds that the witnesses did not believe would
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have been caused by a vehicle accident. >> Right. So another case where we have and
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who was the medical examiner on that >> uh Fami Malik >> right so Fami again is going well look
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this is just suggest death by motorcycle well I I don't even know how Fami talks
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he he sounds stupid anyways he probably said look this is just a simple death it's a motorcycle accident that's all
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that happens it's not a motorcycle accident if your throat is slashed >> Mhm. Yeah, if you're escaping an attack,
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you're being chased by a vehicle at a high rate of speed, >> right? That's called murder.
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>> There was also reason to believe that Keith was selling drugs and was involved
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with some of the local dealers. Um, so he might have known some of these people at play here,
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>> right? But I think this is part of the story that I don't really like and we can get into this later when we talk
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about our own theories. >> Mhm. >> But this whole thing about, you know, Don Henry and and Kevin Eyes, they were
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they're going out there and they're going to steal these drugs, >> right, >> from some drug lords, right? And that,
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oh, by the way, there the the guy that ended up dead on the motorcycle. Oh, he sold drugs, too. Mhm.
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>> I think it's an easy way to tarnish, you know, and not saying that these kids
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maybe didn't smoke pot, maybe drank a little bit, um maybe even sold it from time to time,
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>> but I don't think they were known drug dealers. >> And I'm not trying to tarnish Keith's
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name or Kevin or Dawn's names either. Fair enough. >> Um I with with Keith, I just simply
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bring it up because because he may have known some of the stuff that was going on if if in fact he was uh selling drugs
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for somebody. He may have known these people that were out that night. It it wouldn't just be that oh it it was two
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police officers. Oh, it was uh this group of guys and I don't know who they are. Uh I'm just bringing up that he may
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have had some connection with these people. >> Well, no. And then the other thing about
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it is after Coney leaves on his motorcycle, he actually went >> to uh the wagon wheel. Yes.
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>> Which was the bar. And he told >> And that's when he told Keith McKascal. >> Yeah. Old Macascal. So you know there is
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some validity cuz you know there is there's rumors that Macascal was selling drugs or part of the drug running. So
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then why would Keith go talk to him, >> right? if he didn't know know him because if he did know him he'd probably
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know him through >> but this is also a weird time because this is 1987 right okay
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>> and and when I graduated high school 999 and you remember this cuz in our band
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would play >> Yes I was alive and around in 99 >> well we had you know the metal band that
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we played in and we'd play gigs and we'd have parties and stuff to kind of like promote the shows and stuff like that
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just kind of typical things but we'd normally have mostly high school kids, but there would always be like a group
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of >> college age kids. >> Yeah. Or even late 20somes. >> Yeah. >> And now of days like you could not pay
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me to go hang out with high school kids. >> Yeah. I I wonder I always I didn't wonder back then, but once I got to be
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28, 29, I wondered what those 28 29 year olds were even doing hanging out. I think you got to be a pretty big loser
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is what I think [laughter] is going on that you got to hang out with these young people.
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>> Which makes it a little more odd that Con would go talk to Macascal. So, hold
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on to your seats cuz we're going to get into some super creepy stories right after this quick beer break.
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>> [music] >> Welcome back to True Crime Gay. >> All right, Captain. We have to [laughter]
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>> Cheers, mates. >> Cheers, mates. We have to introduce a man by the name of Gregory Collins.
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>> Now, it is believed that Collins had information on the Kevin Ives and Don Henry deaths. In January of 1989,
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>> Gregory Collins died from three shotgun blasts fired at a close range. Now, one
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shot hit Collins in the face. His body was discovered in a pine forest in a county south of Saline. Collins had been
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called to testify to the grand jury, but he had never appeared. Now, newspaper reports that Garrett and Harmon
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questioned him privately about the train death case. >> Right. question him or threaten him. I
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guess depends on how you look at it. >> The strange thing here though, Captain, is, you know, little is known about what
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he may have known about this case. He he may have known something because apparently he was interviewed or like
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you said, possibly threatened by Garrett and Harmon in private. >> Um, but he he is shot three times with a
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shotgun. Now, we have a little more Fami Malik shenanigans going on here because
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this is one that Fami Malik would rule a suicide. So, if you believe the medical
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examiner, Mr. Malik, >> okay, just say it slowly for me. Say say this stupidity slowly for me.
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>> Okay, so if you are to believe the medical examiner Fami Malik, >> Mhm. Then you would have to believe that
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Gregory Collins drove out to a remote place, went into the forest with a shotgun, and managed to shoot himself
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three times and one of those shots being to the face where presumably that's the
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shot that killed him. Um, it's not impossible that somebody could shoot themselves three times. Uh, but I find
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it highly unlikely >> with a shotgun. with a shotgun. It would be very It would be extremely hard to do
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to shoot oneself three times with a shotgun, >> you know. That's just Fami being Fami,
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you know. That's just Fami being Fami. >> Yeah. That's just Fami doing whatever the hell he wants uh at
00:29:03
>> Yeah. or what he's paid to do by others. >> You're exactly right. >> That's the other thing, too. It's like
00:29:07
I'm not saying that he's a dumbass. He might not actually be a dumbass, but when you have higher ups that are right,
00:29:14
one writing your check and you got people, you got eyewitnesses dying around you, what what the hell are you
00:29:21
going to do? >> Here's the other thing though, Captain, too. We talked about, remember Malik got
00:29:26
a nice, he got a handsome uh promotion. Well, not a promotion, but he got a raise.
00:29:31
>> Well, yeah, and I said I think 43%, but it was a 41% raise, >> which was announced to be what, like
00:29:37
$14,000. Mhm. >> was the actual the money amount there was 14,000. So if that's a 40 let's just
00:29:44
say it's a 40% raise. >> So that means he's making and I'm going to show my dumb math here, but that
00:29:50
would mean he's making in the ballpark of what 40 to $45,000 a year before that raise,
00:29:55
>> give or take. Yeah. >> So now he's making under 60. >> Mhm. Uh, I would think that people that
00:30:02
are importing pounds of cocaine and moving them would have the means of buying Mr. Malik off pretty cheap.
00:30:10
Probably if the guy's only making 60 grand a year, it probably doesn't take a whole boatload of money to get him to
00:30:18
say, "You know what? Not only do we need you to say that this was either an accident or suicide, but you're the
00:30:25
medical examiner. Nobody else is going to follow up on this. whatever you rule this is probably what it's going to sit
00:30:32
as forever. >> Right. But they but they did follow up on many cases if you know you know what
00:30:38
I mean like people eventually started going hey there's something wrong and that's what frustrates me about this
00:30:44
whole case. >> Yeah. >> Is not only did you know families came forward and said hey something's not
00:30:50
right and then the powers that be going all the way up to Bill Clinton which was
00:30:56
this governor at the time. He wasn't president at the time, but goes all the way up to that jack wagon,
00:31:02
>> right? And he comes back and says, "Hey, look, it's none of my business. I think
00:31:06
he's doing a pretty good job." >> Mhm. Yeah, he's doing a great job. >> Yeah. [ __ ] you, Bill.
00:31:12
>> Okay. All right. Calm down there, Captain. >> Well, this is just, you know, it's
00:31:16
ridiculous. I mean, three shot, you know, three shotgun shots to the face. >> Well, one to the face,
00:31:23
>> right? >> Two to the chest, >> right? But you're going to shoot yourself twice in the chest and then one
00:31:27
in the face. >> Well, let's keep in mind a shotgun's a pretty powerful shot, too.
00:31:31
>> That'd be really hard to do anyways. >> Yes. >> I mean, the recoil alone would probably
00:31:37
mess up your hand on some level. Or >> I would argue that nobody would that very few people would even have the
00:31:44
strength remaining after one shot to fire an additional two shots. >> I mean, this this is just asinine
00:31:50
really. Next we have Daniel Bearden, uh who went by the name of Boon. Um Boon was from Alexander, Arkansas.
00:31:59
>> Uh about 6 weeks after they discover Gregory Collins body in the forest, uh police began searching a another remote
00:32:07
area for the body of this boon guy. Um and he had he was another person that was asked to testify to the grand jury.
00:32:17
>> It's probably suicide. Well, he he was actually missing for about eight months
00:32:22
at the time that they started searching for him. So, they were in no hurry to go
00:32:26
looking for him, right? >> Um police, they only went out there because they received information that
00:32:32
he was buried near the Arkansas River. >> They went out there and they searched and they found nothing. Um so, this guy
00:32:39
is is unaccounted for, suspected to have been killed and buried somewhere. Um, now a person by the name of Woodro May
00:32:47
testified that he Woodrow was the middleman in a local drug trade. Uh, but he also stated that three other people
00:32:56
had similar arrangements with the guy that he was getting his drugs from. >> And in this statement, he also says that
00:33:03
two of these people Harmon knew personally and may have had some kind of arrangement with them. The reason why I
00:33:09
bring up Woodro is because in that same statement, Woodro stated that Boon was one of his distributors.
00:33:16
So again, we're seeing the drug trade, the drug trafficking going on wrapped around this whole case,
00:33:22
>> right? And this also brings us to eyewitness James Milum. >> Yeah, we talked about Milum a little bit
00:33:28
earlier, but we didn't identify him by name. Um, he had information regarding the Ives and Henry deaths as well. He
00:33:36
was scheduled. He was, you know, they had a long list of people that they were going to talk to with the grand jury. He
00:33:42
was on that list. Uh he didn't get the opportunity to do so, though. Remember, he was the guy that was found
00:33:48
decapitated, but Fami Malik had ruled that it was a um it was natural causes that he had died from an from an ulcer.
00:33:56
Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Which apparently that that you have an ulcer, your head pops off. That's that's
00:34:02
according to Fami Malik, that's what happened. And um and we here's the crazy thing. He's decapitated and Fami Malik
00:34:11
claims that the dog ate the head, right? Ate the head of the of of his owner. >> Now, the thing here is his whole story
00:34:22
got all screwed up when >> Do we know what kind of dog that is? >> Um >> cuz I'm not
00:34:27
>> It's probably a very small one. No, >> I'm in I'm in the market to buy a dog and I'm not buying that kind of dog.
00:34:33
Okay, so that's what Fomie Malik says >> because when I die from a ulcer >> and your head pops off,
00:34:37
>> I do not want my dog eating my head. >> Okay, but listen to this. Captain Malik
00:34:43
says that the dog ate the head, right? >> Mhm. >> Okay, then there's a big problem with
00:34:48
his finding because the police shortly after Malik gives this ruling, they find the head, right? They find the head and
00:34:57
then Malik's like, "Well, that's because the dog regurgitated it that he threw up. He ate the head and then he puked
00:35:03
it. Puked it up. >> Right. The more and more we cover this story, the more I just think that he is
00:35:10
paid or knows that if you don't cooperate, you're going to die of an ulcer and your
00:35:16
head's going to pop off as well. >> I I look, I don't think it's stupidity. I don't think I don't think any doctor
00:35:23
is that dumb. I think I really the more we talk about it, the more I think that his hands were tied and he knew if he
00:35:32
didn't follow, you know, the powers that be that he's going to end up worm food.
00:35:38
I think you might be on to something there. You he could have been afraid. He could have been being paid under the
00:35:44
table by some of these people or it could have been a combination of both, which is probably what is most likely.
00:35:49
Um the thing here is though, you know, while we're on Fami Malik story here that he started off as an assistant to
00:35:56
the medical examiner and very quickly the medical examiner retired and he basically assumed the role of medical
00:36:03
examiner. >> Well, and I wonder how long that guy worked for and and was he was he
00:36:10
supposed to retire or was he just somebody that was not going to work within their system and
00:36:16
>> he was made to retire? You see what I'm That's a good question. We we don't know
00:36:20
that. But what we do know is that what was discovered after Fami Malik had been the medical examiner for like seven, it
00:36:27
was either 7 to nine years, somewhere in that ballpark. >> They realized because of some of these
00:36:33
cases that Malik actually did not have the qualifications to be a medical examiner. He only had the qualifications
00:36:40
to be an assistant. So they realized this. >> He wasn't even qualified for that probably,
00:36:45
>> right? And they realized this after he's been running the show for almost 10 years.
00:36:49
>> Yeah, but it's not, you know, Bill Clinton can't do nothing about it. >> Well, listen to this whole story. They
00:36:55
they the governor's office. Here's their statement. They say that it's not their problem because they're
00:37:01
supposed to be a medical examiner's commission. This is a group of people that review and decide who is qualified
00:37:07
for this position and who is not. So when Fami Malik took over the position, they should have reviewed his
00:37:13
qualifications, re reviewed him as a candidate and either accepted him or turned him down for the role. The
00:37:20
problem is when people started going back and and interviewing this medical examiner's commission that supposedly
00:37:26
existed, well, the people that were supposed to be on the commission said, "Yeah, I was
00:37:31
on that commission at one point, but we haven't met for like 10 or 12 years. We've not met about anything for 10 or
00:37:37
12 years. I didn't know I was supposed to still be on that commission. Well, then the governor's office then says,
00:37:42
"Well, because this commission didn't do their job, there's nothing that we can do about it. We cannot remove we
00:37:49
>> we can't remove >> we can't remove him now." And at some point after it was discovered he wasn't
00:37:54
qualified. He did seek out whatever training or knowledge he needed or, you know, to to become qualified for the
00:38:01
position eventually. >> Right. Well, because he just got won a a 41% raise and then he's getting probably
00:38:07
kickbacks. >> Mhm. >> And look again, there's the fear element when your governor is helping other
00:38:15
people run drugs then and and and some boys stumble upon that. 16 and 17 year old boy stumbles
00:38:25
upon that and they are murdered and they put their bodies on tracks to be ran over by trains, you might fall in line,
00:38:34
too. You know what I mean? You might do what they tell you to do. >> Well, when the officials of Arkansas
00:38:42
were asked, "Why would you give Fami Malik a a pay raise after when we have people in the community?"
00:38:48
>> Wait, hold on. Because we're selling drugs, people. That's what they should have said. Bill Clinton should have
00:38:53
said, "Hey, we're selling drugs and we need somebody to cover our ass and that's why we gave him a pay raise." The
00:39:00
thing here is we they had people they had families. They had people in the community basically picketing and
00:39:07
calling for Fami Malik's job, saying, "Fire this dude. We don't trust this guy. We can't feel safe living here if
00:39:14
this is what's going to be happening." And basically the officials said that, you know, because they were asked, why
00:39:20
the hell would you give this guy a pay raise when all these people are calling for his job,
00:39:24
>> right? And and they they stated, "Go ahead." >> Well, and it's not just the Henry family
00:39:29
and the Ives family that aren't getting answers. It's all these victims and it's
00:39:34
then multiply it by all their family and friends and those are the people paying
00:39:38
your salary. But at the end of the day, >> you think Bill Clinton gives a [ __ ] Do
00:39:44
you think anybody in power that's getting paid a bunch of money actually gives a [ __ ] You know, if they're
00:39:50
running drugs, if they're willing to kill a 16 and 17year-old person, do you think they actually give a [ __ ] And for
00:39:56
all the people right now that are listening going, "Well, this is just a conspiracy." This ain't conspiracy. This
00:40:02
is a fact. We're stating facts. >> This is not conspiracy. But but the funny thing is here these these
00:40:09
officials talk out of both sides of their mouths because what happens here is when when he's first awarded the pay
00:40:16
raise they they stay they say that you know what Malik is a victim in this whole circumstance and that he deserves
00:40:24
to be you know treated with respect and and to show him such we gave him a pay raise. Well then when they come back and
00:40:31
they ask them later there's all these people in the community saying he should be fired. how can you give him a pay
00:40:36
raise? Then they state, well, he's due to retire soon. So, we applied that pay raise to him, not for him personally,
00:40:45
but as a position. We were upgrading the pay to that position so that when he does retire, we could recruit a more,
00:40:52
you know, suitable candidate for this position. >> Well, you know, how >> they always have answers, don't they?
00:40:56
>> Well, right. Because when you're high on cocaine, you come up with a million answers all at once. Well, let's keep
00:41:05
going with this list here, Captain, because it just keeps growing and growing. Next on the list is Richard
00:41:10
Winters, >> uh, who was actually at one point he was he was considered to be a possible
00:41:16
suspect in the deaths of Kevin Ives and Don Henry. >> Um, he had he had he had offered to
00:41:23
cooperate with the grand jury and with Garrett and Harmon at some point. Um, but again, before he could do so,
00:41:32
>> okay, >> he ends up being killed by a shotgun blast to the face. >> Um, but this was during a robbery in
00:41:39
July of 1989. Now, it's it's not been proven. Um, but but it's it's widely believed that the
00:41:48
robbery was was not so much a robbery that it was more of a setup, right? Okay. That we're
00:41:53
>> staged robbery. we're going to have this robbery situation and one guy's going to
00:41:57
end up dead and it and conveniently it's somebody that's offering to cooperate with the grand jury and and maybe
00:42:04
divulge what he may know about the deaths of these two teenagers. >> Mhm. >> I think it's pretty obvious by now that
00:42:11
everybody that we bring up on this list is going to end up dead at some point. >> I told you this episode should be called
00:42:18
murder. >> Yeah. Well, the thing here is one of the one of the stranger ones to me is Keith
00:42:23
McKascal. >> Yeah. >> Now, shortly before Keith McKascal was murdered. >> I have nightmares about this.
00:42:30
>> Yeah. He he told people that he believed he was going to be murdered. >> He he was telling his family members
00:42:36
goodbye. He was making funeral arrangements. He was telling his friends goodbye. Um, he was also telling his
00:42:44
friends and family that like he was being followed uh by by the two police officers that we had mentioned earlier
00:42:50
that were Lane and Campbell that were supposed to be involved in the deaths of the two teenagers. He was also pointing
00:42:57
out vehicles to his friends and family stating, "You know what? I know that car has been following me for quite some
00:43:02
time." Um the thing here is the the a big problem with this story is remember we talked about Sheriff Jim Steed. Well
00:43:12
there was an election coming up in 1988 and it was for the the office of of sheriff. Now the thing is here that
00:43:20
Macascal on the night of the sheriff's election in 1988 he was out with a bunch of
00:43:27
people and he made a big announcement at this bar and he held up two pennies. He
00:43:31
pulled two pennies out of his pocket, threw them at the bar. >> Yeah. >> And he stated, he said, "If Jim Steed
00:43:38
loses this election, my life isn't worth two cents." And believe it or not, shortly after that, he was killed.
00:43:46
>> Okay. So, did he lose the election? >> Yeah. Jim Steed lost the election that
00:43:50
night and within 48 hours, uh, Keith McKascal was murdered. >> But how he was murdered is what creeps
00:43:57
me out. >> Mhm. Yeah. So, a quick description here, which I think is very fitting for Keith
00:44:03
McKascal, uh, which is necessary. I mean, uh, he managed a place called the we the Wagon Wheel Lounge.
00:44:10
>> Mhm. >> Uh, and he was considered to be a big dude. He was 6'2. Uh, he weighed about,
00:44:16
uh, 200 lb or so. Um, he was a bit of a legend for breaking up barroom fights. Several people told stories of him
00:44:23
breaking up fights that involved weapons, sometimes even knives. And he would without a weapon go into this
00:44:29
fight and break it up >> because he was a bad ombre. >> Yeah. And but but Macascal might have
00:44:34
been a bit of a weird dude though because he was he was a known drug user. >> He was suspected of selling drugs. He
00:44:40
had a lot of friends in low places, but he had a lot of police friends as well. >> This guy is just all sorts of bad
00:44:48
country songs. He works at the wagon wheel. He has friends in low places. >> Yeah. And but but the the funny thing
00:44:54
here though to me, Captain, is we talk about all these misdoings by these public officials and by uh police
00:45:01
officers and sheriff's, you know, deputies and things like that, right? >> And you know, to call somebody a weird
00:45:07
dude saying that he's got a lot of friends that are in low places, but he also has a lot of friends that are
00:45:12
police as well. >> I don't think it's that weird in this situation because it seems to me like
00:45:16
some of the police were in pretty low places themselves. >> Right. Right. That's exactly right. Now,
00:45:22
Dan Harmon told Linda Ives and others that McKascal was acting as an informant in the murder case,
00:45:30
>> agreeing to pass along any information that he had heard in the nightclub. But
00:45:34
more importantly, you know, according to Charlene Wilson's statement, Macascal was at the tracks the night the boys
00:45:40
were killed. >> Right. And it is also believed that Keith Cooney went on to to find Macascal
00:45:46
and tell him what he had saw at the tracks or what he had saw near the grocery store that night
00:45:50
>> with the police officers beating up his friends. >> So on November 10th, 1988, this like we
00:45:56
said, this is just 2 days after the sheriff's election. This takes place around 1:30 a.m. A neighbor of Keith
00:46:03
McKascals said that he had heard some loud groaning noises coming from Macascal's home. uh this woke him up in
00:46:11
the middle of the night. He go he goes to the window and he's looking around and he sees nothing. But what he says is
00:46:16
that it sounded as if someone had drank way too much and was vomiting, >> right?
00:46:21
>> Uh the following morning, a lady friend of Macascals came to his home and discovered his body.
00:46:28
>> So what happened? How did he die? >> Well, Macascal's body was wrapped in a flower patterned shower curtain and he
00:46:35
was laying in the carport area of his home. This is near a door that was going to his kitchen. He's covered in blood.
00:46:42
Uh his house >> inside the home completely covered in blood as well. Um there had been an
00:46:48
obvious fight and that lasted probably quite some time that had left blood everywhere. Macascal had been stabbed
00:46:55
over a hundred times. >> Jesus. >> Um the stab that most likely killed him was there was one to the heart. Uh all
00:47:01
of the stab wounds were above the waist, showing that McKascal had defended himself and probably doing it quite
00:47:09
well. Uh making the fight last a lot longer than maybe his attackers would have thought it would have. Uh a lot of
00:47:16
the slashes and stabs were to the arms and the hands, showing that not only was he defending himself, but he was going
00:47:23
after the knife that was stabbing him. >> Well, it sounds like he had an ulcer. Yeah, this is this is probably natural
00:47:29
causes or at the very least an accidental death, right? According to Fami Malik. No, of course it was ruled a
00:47:35
murder. Um but but here's where it gets weird. >> Well, actually not of course in this
00:47:40
case. >> It's like not of course. >> Yeah, you're right. You you have to be like ex you know happy. Yeah. You're
00:47:47
like, "Oh, finally." Um well, now we we should talk about Ronald Shane Smith. Ronald Shane Smith was a neighbor of
00:47:56
Macascals. Right >> now, what had happened was when the police after after the the friend, the
00:48:02
female friend found Macascal's body, she calls it in, the police are there investigating whatever's going on. And
00:48:09
Ronald's father goes across the street and he says, "You know what? I think you should talk to my son because I think he
00:48:15
knows something about what has happened here." >> Right? >> So, they talk to the son. Uh now now
00:48:23
Ronald Shane Smith is 19 years old at the time and he's he's considered slow at school.
00:48:30
>> He's mentally handicap. >> Not my words. These are other people's words. Um the thing here is he tells
00:48:37
them that he was over at Macascal's place and that he he had gone there to purchase
00:48:43
>> I believe he purchased a silver tray and some pornographic uh videotapes from
00:48:49
Macascal. the tray was going to be a gift for his mother. The tapes were something for himself, right? And uh he
00:48:56
had owed Macascal money, so he went over there to pay him some of the money that
00:48:59
he owed him. And while they were there, he said that Macascal was acting strange. He was looking out the window,
00:49:06
stating that people were following him. And >> he's been calling this for weeks.
00:49:10
>> Yeah. And he says then at some point three men they they pull up in a vehicle, they bust through the door.
00:49:19
>> Yeah. But what were these guys wearing? >> There were there were three men wearing
00:49:22
clown mask. >> [ __ ] No. >> Well, no. >> Well, that's what that's what they were
00:49:29
wearing. But could you imagine? >> Well, we do have Stephen King's It coming out very soon.
00:49:35
>> Yes. But what I'm saying is if three dudes in Clown Mask showed up to my house Oh, I'd be
00:49:41
>> Yeah. You're hoping that it's one of your friends are acting nuts. >> I mean, I'd be scared, but at the same
00:49:45
time, I'd be thinking I'm going to kick one of these dudes in the dick. Well, uh, according to Ronald Shane
00:49:52
Smith, two of the guys had knives and one of them had a gun. And the the guy with the gun, the clown with the gun,
00:49:59
comes up to Ronald and he forces him into a chair holding him at gunpoint. >> Mhm.
00:50:05
>> A fight breaks out between Macascal and the other two guys that are holding knives. At some point during the fight,
00:50:12
the the gunman takes Ronald outside and he says that during this time he could hear McCascal in the home being
00:50:21
killed. Uh >> you would think they would just shoot him and then would it, you know, with
00:50:27
the when the struggle happened, you'd think that the guy with the gun would have just shot him and just took off.
00:50:33
>> Yeah. Well, here's the thing. Here's what really that was my whole thing. I was like, why the hell wouldn't they
00:50:39
just shoot this witness, right? >> But then I also got to thinking about, well, if Macascal was killed in a a
00:50:47
situation where it was a hit, where it was a planned murder. >> Mhm. >> Well, why would why would you bother
00:50:53
fighting with Macascal anyway? Because if you just you I wouldn't want to fight with Macascal. It sounds like he could
00:50:59
handle himself and and many others at the same time, right? >> He was a ballroom brawler, man. Mhm.
00:51:05
>> And the thing is, they obviously wanted to keep this quiet. You can't just show
00:51:09
up. You can't just show up to someone's home in a neighborhood and guns blasting
00:51:14
everywhere and go unnoticed. >> Silence, sir. >> The the thing here is, you know, so what
00:51:19
they did, according to Ronald Smith, is that they gave him the knife and they told him that if he didn't stab uh
00:51:29
Macascal, they were going to shoot him. And so he stabs McKascal and they take a
00:51:36
picture, a Polaroid picture of him at that time and they tell him that they're going to keep this for evidence. If you
00:51:42
ever come after us, if if we if you tell on us >> Mhm. >> we're going to frame you for this
00:51:47
murder. >> And again, his IQ was something around 80. So this is a lot of stuff and a lot
00:51:52
of details to come up with out of nowhere. >> It it is uh the story doesn't end there.
00:51:58
Uh we we'll get it back to that. But the I didn't really want to I didn't really
00:52:04
want to report on what his supposed IQ was because I've seen some varying, you know, we we noticed this with West
00:52:10
Memphis 3 and several other cases that we've covered that the IQ seems to be something that people argue. You know,
00:52:16
people that would be for some kind of conspiracy, they're going to lower his IQ when they tell the story. and people
00:52:23
that think that Ronald Smith is guilty, they're going to raise that IQ, right? The other thing that's been in question,
00:52:30
I've seen different reports of h of the size of this 19-year-old boy. >> Because there's been a lot of people
00:52:36
that said, well, you know, he was only 58, 148 lb. There's no way that he could have taken down Keith McKascal, who was
00:52:44
6'2, over 200 lb, barroom brawler. >> Mhm. >> Uh but I >> You don't bring a fist to a knife fight.
00:52:51
But I've also seen reports that have uh Ronald Smith being as tall as 5'11 and 180 pounds, which is not a big
00:53:00
discrepancy between the two men. Yeah. >> Exactly. Exactly. But his story does change uh upon further questioning. Um
00:53:09
the story changes to that it was not three men in clown mask. It was five men that were dressed head to toe in black
00:53:18
>> uh that they came in. But but there's a lot of similarities. They came in, they
00:53:22
busted through the door, they took over the situation, they controlled Ronald Smith and and they attacked Keith
00:53:29
McKascal. Um they did find they they found blood everywhere in that home. This fight lasted for quite some time.
00:53:37
And he believed Ronald Smith reported that he believed that the men that the attack took somewhere between 30 and 40
00:53:44
minutes to take place. The strange thing here though too is Jim Steed, you remember the uh the the outgoing sheriff
00:53:51
who lost the election? Well, he had hired Macascal to take aerial photos of the of the tracks of of the area where
00:54:00
the boys were were killed. Um we don't know I don't know if he ever successfully carried out those
00:54:07
photographs. Now, he did have a briefcase in his home that had blood all over it and it was opened and and it
00:54:15
wasn't full, you know, that it wasn't stuffed to the brim with with with items. So, some people would believe
00:54:22
that something was stolen from that briefcase. Um, it could have been aerial photos. It could have been it could have
00:54:29
been drugs. There was also rumors that McKascal was making audio tapes of what he knew about the murders and what he
00:54:37
and who he knew was involved. That way if something did happen to him that maybe police or maybe one of the actual
00:54:44
good guys would find one of these cassette tapes. >> Yeah. If there was a good guy left.
00:54:49
>> Yeah. It's it's getting hard to find any good people left. Now, the police, they
00:54:54
did go and they found some of these some items in Ron Smith's possession. Um, out
00:55:01
behind his home, they had found the silver tray that he had talked about purchasing, some videotapes, and they
00:55:08
found some bloody clothes. Now, in Ron Smith's story though, he says, remember, he says that he was told to to stab uh
00:55:17
Macascal as McKascal was already dead. Uh but he was also he also said that he had fallen on the body at some point and
00:55:27
got blood all over himself. >> Right. >> Um it's difficult here, Captain, because
00:55:33
you could make a strong argument either way in this case to me, but when I keep seeing name after name of people that
00:55:40
are being called to the grand jury and they keep dying, um it it seems to me like McKascal's murder is probably not a
00:55:48
one-off committed by this Ron Smith. It's probably connected to this whole boys on the tracks situation. Um, now
00:55:56
Ron Ronald Smith ends up being convicted of the murder of Keith McKascal, >> which my gut feeling says that is
00:56:02
another tragic point of this story. >> Mhm. Yeah. And next we have Jeff Rhodess. Now Jeff Rhodess was the young
00:56:10
man from Benton, Arkansas who was he ended up being murdered in 1989. But shortly before his death, he made a
00:56:18
phone call to his father in Texas, stating that he needed to get out of Arkansas and that he felt that he knew
00:56:25
way too much about the boys on the railroad tracks and the death of Keith McKascal. Uh, a couple weeks after this
00:56:32
phone call, that's when Jeff is found dead. Uh, he had been shot in the head and he was they had attempted whoever
00:56:39
killed him attempted to cut off his head and hands and feet. Um they were unsuccessful with the hands and feet. Uh
00:56:48
and they had also set him on fire. Now they found his body in a uh landfill. >> These are just savage people.
00:56:57
>> Yeah. The thing is though, we have Jeff Rhodess. He's he's missing for just a
00:57:01
week, right? But but shortly after he's reported missing, his father reaches out
00:57:06
to the sheriff's investigators and states that, you know, he called me a week ago asking if I could find him a
00:57:13
job here in Texas because he needed to leave Arkansas and this is why he needed to leave Arkansas. And he said there was
00:57:20
never any follow-up. Even after they had found his body, they didn't reach back out to him to further inquire what Jeff
00:57:28
Rhodess could have been talking about. And somehow they link the death of Jeff Rhodess to this guy named Frank
00:57:35
Pelchure. Uh he's ultimately arrested and charged with murder. He's convicted and sentenced to life. Now we we got to
00:57:43
keep in mind here because of what took place in 1987. Dan Harmon, he's he's a quote unquote special prosecutor. He's
00:57:51
assigned this role. He's >> Well, he's certainly special, >> right? But he's not technically he's not
00:57:56
an elected prosecutor. uh he's assigned this role in the in the the specific case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives. Now by
00:58:06
1990 he is the elected prosecutor and so now he has all this additional power. So
00:58:13
some of these cases that we're seeing coming about where the murder would take place in in 1989,
00:58:19
some of these people were probably convicted and and prosecuted by Dan Harmon. >> Well, he had a lot of covering up to do.
00:58:28
And that leads us to Jordan Kettlesson. Now, Jordan Kettson, he was believed to have had information regarding Kevin
00:58:36
Ives and Don Henry's deaths. Um, he was also believed that he might have been a part of Macascal's murder. Now, he was
00:58:44
found shot to death in his front in the front seat of his pickup truck in June of 1990.
00:58:51
Now, there was no police investigation regarding his homicide. His body was cremated before an autopsy could be
00:59:00
performed. Why? I have no clue. >> Well, because the autopsies were so bad anyways. So, you know, hey, let's just
00:59:06
not even get old Fami involved. >> Is probably a ulcer anyways. >> And and I don't have definitive
00:59:13
information about this, but it could be a situation where the police ruled it a suicide. You know, he's found shot in in
00:59:21
his vehicle, right? >> Um but again, we've talked about this time and time again. Anytime you have a
00:59:27
death that is as a result of unnatural causes, you know, an autopsy is supposed to be performed in this situation and
00:59:34
and it wasn't. The body was cremated before it could be performed. >> Well, right. Not if you're trying to
00:59:40
cover up and cover your ass. You know, >> we don't need autopsies. >> So, obviously, this is so obvious right
00:59:46
here, Captain. We We have >> nothing obvious. >> We have all these witnesses. We have all
00:59:51
these people that are supposed to be called to the grand jury. People that have been reported to have had private
00:59:57
meetings, private questioning situations with Richard Garrett and Dan Harmon. And
01:00:02
we see person after person, >> you know, getting killed. People person after person dying in these mysterious
01:00:10
deaths. Somewhere we have people getting convicted. Somewhere we have no explanation why they died at all. I
01:00:16
mean, we had we had Jerry who we don't know who he is. He and if we believe that story, he moved out of the area
01:00:22
because he was told to get the hell out of Dodge, >> right? Or he was killed and never found.
01:00:26
>> And and and one, they refused to identify him. You had stated earlier, and you're exactly right. It would have
01:00:32
been so easy for Sheriff Jim Steve to come forward and say, "Well, this is who Jerry was. I know who he is because we
01:00:38
locked him up for 90 days." But nobody says that. And then we have Ronnie Goodwin. Now, Ronnie Godwin, I'm sorry,
01:00:45
he's one of the lucky ones. He's still alive today. But but police refuse to believe his story. More to the point
01:00:51
where they say that he is Jerry when they know damn well he's not Jerry, >> right? He's just a drunk. Can't believe
01:00:58
him. >> We have Keith Cooney who was probably, you know, witnessed too much stuff that
01:01:02
night. He probably gave Kevin and Don a ride on the back of his motorcycle. He may have seen something go down at the
01:01:09
tracks earlier. Yeah. And his death is ruled a motorcycle accident. We have Keith,
01:01:13
>> right? With a slit throat. >> Yeah. We have Keith McKascal who is murdered in his own home. He's stabbed
01:01:19
over 100 times. We have the strange stories with the clown mask and the men dressed from head to toe in black.
01:01:25
>> Right. >> And we we have who could be another innocent person who is convicted of his
01:01:30
murder. >> Right. >> We have Greg Collins shotgun blast to the face and it's ruled a suicide.
01:01:38
>> Yeah. >> Three shots with a shotgun. He killed himself. We have Jeff Rhodess shotgun
01:01:43
blast to the face. His body is burned. He's found in the landfill. And we have this Pelchure guy that is arrested and
01:01:49
convicted for his murder. And we we got Roads telling people that not only did he know about the boy's deaths in
01:01:55
advance before he's killed, he's telling them that he knows about Macascal's death as well.
01:02:00
>> Right. >> We have Richard Winters who who dies in the robbery. We have Jordan Kettlesen uh
01:02:07
shot to death in in the front seat of his pickup truck. And there's no explanation for how he died. We're not
01:02:14
given a ruling on how he died. No autopsy performed. We have James Milum who had an ulcer and his head popped
01:02:20
off. It, you know, that's just Fami Malik straight out creating something here. Just just making something up. We
01:02:31
have that Boon Bearden who vanished and we've never seen him. He's believed to be murdered. They've never located his
01:02:38
body. What did he know? >> Yeah. And if this isn't if this isn't enough evidence of a huge conspiracy to
01:02:46
cover up these boys' death, I I don't know what to tell you. >> Yeah, they're covering up the deaths of
01:02:53
these two boys and then they're killing more people to cover up the deaths that they have to commit to cover up the the
01:03:00
original two, >> right? And it all comes down to the fact that they have these drugs, they have to
01:03:03
keep running the drugs, they want to keep having the money from the drugs, and that they're they have higherups. I
01:03:09
think that are involved and this drug smuggling and this drug running and it's it's the crime of greed to you
01:03:17
[clears throat] know the murder for greed just makes absolutely no sense to me. >> Well, and I know we probably got some
01:03:22
loyal Garage Army people out there going this this is huge, Nick and Captain. Why
01:03:28
haven't we heard of this before? Well, contact somebody that lives in Arkansas because these people have been talking
01:03:34
about this case for 30 years, right? Uh, this is no secret to the people that live in Arkansas and live in this area.
01:03:40
And if alarm bells aren't going off in your head, ask yourself this, okay? We've we've mentioned over what, we've
01:03:47
mentioned 10 or a dozen murders here, right? >> And there's probably a few that we don't
01:03:51
know about because we're not in Arkansas, and it's hard to find information about people that died in
01:03:56
87, 88,89 from that time period. But ask yourself this, why do we have an an area, a remote area of a state where
01:04:06
only about 5,000 people were reported to have been living there in the late 80s and we got all of these mysterious
01:04:12
deaths going on in a short period of time. >> Mhm. >> It it there's something going on in
01:04:18
Arkansas. >> Well, and how many people are going to talk about this if you know clowns are
01:04:22
showing up to people's houses and stabbing them a hundred times. If a clown shows up to my house, one, I'm
01:04:28
kicking it in the I'm kicking in the goddamn dick. Okay, first of all, second of all, I hope that we put out a show
01:04:36
next week because if somebody finds me somewhere and my head popped off, it wasn't a goddamn ulcer.
01:04:43
>> Your stomach's fine. I I'm will vouch for you. Your your stomach is fine. You're solid
01:04:49
>> in that area. [laughter] We got we we have a lot to uh cover in the next case.
01:04:55
And I think I it's a shame that this case hasn't been talked about. And I see this all the time when when and the the
01:05:04
thing that drives me absolutely insane is the word conspiracy when there are truths there.
01:05:13
>> Mhm. And when they start talking about these child sex trafficking rings that
01:05:18
maybe some people in the government are involved in and there's some actually there's some validity to the story and
01:05:25
it just kind of goes nowhere. To me that is powerful people and rich people being
01:05:31
able to protect themselves in a way that the normal person or the normal citizen
01:05:36
of the United States of America cannot do. >> Yeah. And I think um how much was like
01:05:42
Bill Clinton involved in this? I don't know. But he knew certain things about it. And again, I don't want to become
01:05:50
political because I'm neither left or right. I'm normally always wrong. So, you're usually wrong. But well, my point
01:05:59
is is I I don't like rich pricks and I don't like rich pricks using people for, you know, gains. And I don't like I
01:06:08
don't like people of power getting away with horseshit. >> Well, we will try tomorrow to sum this
01:06:14
up, put a nice bow on it, and open your eyes to some other goings on uh that was
01:06:18
taking place in in Arkansas as well. >> All right, let's wrap this up because I got to do a couple sets down at the
01:06:24
wagon wheel. >> Yeah, we will see everybody back in the garage tomorrow. If you if you don't
01:06:28
hear from us tomorrow, notify the National Guard. All right, but until then, be good, be kind, and don't
01:06:34
litter. >> [music] [music] >> Heat. Heat.