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agencies spent all evening here at the home in Morreny where the boys were last seen on Thanksgiving evening. They took
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evidence from the home. There's also concern tonight because of a posting on Facebook from the boy's father. John
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Skelton's last Facebook post reads, "I love my wife very much. May God and Tanya forgive me." A cryptic message
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that police are now trying to decipher. Meanwhile, FBI, Michigan State Police, and Morreny police brought out the
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chopper and searched John Skelton's home late into Saturday night. Skelton's house was the last place his three sons
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were seen alive. 5-year-old Tanner, 7-year-old Alexander, and 9-year-old Andrew have not been seen or heard from
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since Thursday night. Anytime you have children this old that are not with a caring loved one, I think you you have
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to assume they're in some kind of jeopardy. Everybody is is still, like I said, hoping and praying
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and trying to remain positive. So, we're hoping that the community can still stay
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with us and be positive and be there and be our support. Police say the three little boys disappeared after a bizarre
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chain of events reported by their father. Morreny police say John Skelton tried to kill himself in his home on
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Friday. But before doing so, Skelton says he handed off the kids to a woman he met years ago on the side of the
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road. Skelton is telling investigators the woman, Joanne Taylor, had car trouble, so he pulled over to help her
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and has maintained contact with her over email. Skelton says Joanne picked up the
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kids Friday morning at the house before he attempted suicide. Police are not sure this story adds up. Up to this
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point, we have not been able to locate a Joanne Taylor or confirm that she even exists. Skeleton's
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neighbor said he recently lost his job and separated from his wife, but they didn't know his troubles had reached a
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boiling point. If my husband was in the yard, uh, they'd be over seeing what he was doing and helping and just seemed
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like a very normal family. Police say they do appreciate the many tips they have received from the community. So far
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though, the whereabouts of the little boys are not known. [Music] The key persons in this case are John
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Skelton, his wife Tanya, and their three sons, Andrew, Alexander, and Tanner. The
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boys are young, ages 9, 7, and five. And in late 2010, it's important to know that the parents, John and Tanya, are
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living in separate residences and in the process of ending the marriage. Let's jump right into the timeline of some of
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the key events in the second half of 2010. On Monday, September 13th, 2010, John
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says he's leaving for work, but instead of going to work, John Skelton takes the
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three boys out of school. He signs them out and drives them to Florida. John's parents live in Jacksonville, Florida.
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Tanya finds out about this. This is because the school called her to say that they are confused about what's
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going on because Tanya brought the kids to school that morning and she even dropped off medicine when dropping off
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the kids. They called because later Jon shows up and checks the boys out telling
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the school that the family was going on vacation to Florida. Jon is weird about the whole thing when Tanya reaches out
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to him. This is just after noon that day and John and the kids are still in the area with the attempt of going to
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Florida. So, they're not in Florida, they're still in Michigan at this time. He first says that they are going to
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Florida for a 3w weekek vacation, but he also adds that he will put the kids in school once he's down in Florida. So,
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this doesn't sound much like a vacation to their mother, Tanya. Tanya calls an attorney and she finds out the only way
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she can prevent Jon from taking the kids to Florida is for her to file for a divorce and request emergency custody of
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the children. A judge signs papers granting custody to Tanya. But before Jon could be served the papers, he
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catches wind of what is going on and he orders the boys into his vehicle. Now, he only gets the two oldest boys into
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his vehicle, and John then drives those two kids down to Florida, leaving the youngest boy, Tanner, back in Michigan
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with his mother. The next day, Jon has the boys call home to speak with their mother. Now, after this phone call,
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Tanya jumps into action and she goes down to Florida and she gets the Jacksonville Sheriff's Department
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involved in this whole situation. They serve Jon a custody order. Then they have to meet with a judge. This is
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down in Jacksonville. This judge orders John, the boys, and Tanya to return to Michigan and states that the two parents
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will have joint custody for the drive home until they reach the Michigan state line. There, the boys are to be in the
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custody of their mother per the Michigan judge's previous order. This whole process from the time the boys were
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taken on Monday, September 13th until they get back to Michigan, this takes a little over a week. This was not a quick
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process. This was not a quick turnaround. And the mother had to go to great lengths to make sure that her two
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oldest sons were returned back to Michigan. Well, it's not the best foot to start a divorce on having these kind
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of battles. Yeah. And this whole battle is super weird because from both standpoints because you have Tanya who's
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kind of left there going, "What's going on? Why is my soon tobe ex-husband just taking the kids and going down to
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Florida?" Right? And John has parents there. So, I mean, he has family there, so it's not super weird on that level.
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But what is weird is that this was not like talked about between the two of them. I mean to to at great lengths. We
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we do have John at some point who suggests that maybe the whole family should go move down to Florida. And
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Tanya says, you know, I can't really do that right now. I can't do that. Mind you, she's thinking that the marriage is
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ending. Why would the whole family, you know, pick up roots and go down to Florida?
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And the whole statement too of well we're going on a three-week vacation but while I'm down there because now mind
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you this is September right school starts around that time for these boys. So Tanya's wondering what are you doing
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taking the kids out of school? School just started. You're taking them on a 3-week vacation. That's like the guy
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that just signs up for a new job and then goes on vacation the second week after he started working there. It just
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doesn't make any sense. Mhm. you know, asking why would you go on this three-week vacation? Yeah, I'm sure the
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kids would have fun down there, but he's like, "Oh, well, while I'm down there, I'll just sign them up for school."
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Well, that doesn't seem like a vacation. Who signs up people for school once they
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get to a new location? Sounds like you're moving. Yeah, against her best wishes. Well, then on Tuesday, November
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23rd, 2010, all three boys were living with their mother, Tanya. According to Tanya, Jon is still trying to determine
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if they could get back together. They are not living together, but Tanya believed it was in everyone's best
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interest that even though she had full custody at this time of the boys that they should be allowed to visit with
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their father. Tanya was not really interested in getting the marriage back together, but the boys loved their
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father and she was not going to deny them seeing him or staying the night at his new place. Well, it's kind of his
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new place. It's now him living at their old place without her, right? It's his new old place, right? So, the way that
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this works is Tanya goes and she has to live elsewhere because they're separating. John's at the family's home
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with the three boys. Right now, Tanya is staying with the help of some friends. It sounds like somebody was selling a
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house or in the process of moving out. Regardless, she's living at this house in the same neighborhood as John and
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it's two blocks away. They're close enough that you can see portions of each of the properties from the other
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property, if that makes sense. Well, and this is good for them, too, because then
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they're close to their house. Yeah. And it it's I believe it's a rented house, but that's the house they know. And
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yeah, like you said, they know other kids in the neighborhood. this is a familiar place for them. I mean, divorce
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is tough on children and Tanya seems to be going above and beyond and out of her
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way to make it easier on the children, allowing them to see their father even though she has the custody rights. One,
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you could walk to your other house. You could walk to see your mom. You could walk to see your dad. And also, like I
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said, with it getting off to such a rocky start, maybe they said, "Hey, we got to do something better, you know,
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for the kids." Well, Tanya also does not fear at this time that Jon would attempt
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to leave to Florida again with the kids as she believed it appeared that he had learned his lesson the first time and
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that he was obeying the Michigan judges instructions. Plus, Tanya was recommending to Jon counseling and he
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seemed to be open to the idea. Remember, it appears Jon had an interest in getting back together with Tanya. Taniel
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wanted counseling, both couples counseling and family counseling, and they were going to counseling sessions
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together. Previous to this day, Tanya has agreed to let John have the boys for the
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Thanksgiving Day holiday. The next day, November 24th, 2010, the boys are at Tanya's parents' home that morning until
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Jon can pick them up later that day around 5:00 p. John picks up the three boys around the
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scheduled time. From there, they go to his home. John would later say, and mind you, it's a little confusing if he is
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referring to Wednesday or Thursday, right? But he says while the kids are with him, he cooked them one of their
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favorite meals, fried chicken, and baked them a cake. Then we have Thursday, November 25th, Thanksgiving. My favorite
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day of the year, food, football, a good amount of libations. Well, some bubbly. Yeah. Tanya later
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states that on this day she is on the phone with Jon and according to her, Jon is asking if there is any chance that
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they could get back together. Tanya is giving him the old I don't know, probably not, you know, giving him that
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routine. Tanya can hear her three sons in the background while talking with Jon and says it sounds to her like the boys
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are having a great time. They're playing and such. Later, Tanya would say she is
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not 100% certain that she spoke with John on this day on this Thursday. She says there is a chance it was on
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Wednesday night, but you know, with the with the holidays going on, there's a lot going on here. So, it does sound to
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me that she feels stronger that the conversation took place on this Thursday. Regardless of which day it
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actually was, we do have a neighbor of John's. This is the lady. I believe she lived across the street. She tells
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police later that she saw all three boys playing outside that afternoon. Most reports state this is around 5:00 p.m.
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on that Thursday, November 25th, Thanksgiving Day. Mhm. Friday, November 26th, Black Friday, one of my least
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favorite days. Tanya, per the arrangements made before Thanksgiving, is scheduled to pick the three boys up
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at John's place at 3:00 p.m. That morning, however, Tanya and John trade phone calls and text. The topic, Tanya
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would like to pick the boys up earlier if possible. She's asking if she could get them around noon. John says he
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would. However, they are not at his home. Tanya says to John, "What are you talking about? From my place, I can see
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your driveway and your van is parked in the driveway." John says, "Friends of his came and picked him up and the boys
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up and they were out having fun." Now, please keep in mind as we go through this, this is Tanya and John having
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multiple conversations that day because later that day, he says the boys are still with his friends. Mhm. that he
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John is home and his friend is scheduled to drop the kids off at his place at 3 p.m. so they can be picked up by Tanya
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at 3 p.m. So now Tanya is asking, "Well, can they just drop them off to me at my
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place? You know, I obviously live in the same neighborhood, right?" Unfortunately, regardless of all of
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these conversations, they never agree to a time for Tanya to pick up the boys. In
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fact, this is where it all falls apart. The next time Tanya talks to John, he says, "I'm on my way to the hospital. I
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think I broke my leg." Tanya wants to know where her sons are, and how is she going to get them back. John says, "They
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are not with me. They are still with my friend, and she is going to bring them back to my house." He thinks Tanya wants
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to get in touch with this friend of John's or at least for him to do so, but he is saying he does not have his
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friend's phone number on him and he doesn't know what will happen with the boys getting to Tanya's.
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This very obviously upsets the boy's mother and she calls her attorney. The attorney advises Tanya to wait until
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after the scheduled time. Wait until after 300 p.m. before you do anything. At 3:01 p.m., Tanya calls the police and
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reports her boys as missing. So, remember we said John was on his way to the hospital. This is because he
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called a friend to drive him there. Once at the hospital, Jon checks himself in seeking treatment for an ankle injury.
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I've seen this reported as everything from a sprained ankle, a broken ankle. It is first reported that John tried
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unsuccessfully to hang himself. This either in a hotel or in his home. In the course of this he suffered the
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leg injury in the process. Where are the three boys? Andrew age nine, Alexander age seven, and Tanner
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age five. John says a friend of his, Joanne Taylor, was put in charge of returning
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the boys to Tanya's home. Joanne, of course, never arrives. In fact, apparently John knows little to nothing
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about this Joanne person. John was a truck driver by occupation. According to John, this is someone who
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he met when he came across her and Joannne's husband when they were having vehicle trouble. Their vehicle broke
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down and he stopped and helped them. Well, John and Joanne then became friends afterward and maintained their
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relationship via the internet. Tanya does not believe Jon's story. In fact, she fears that her sons may be lying
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dead in John's home. The Morreny police search the home and they do not find the boys. What they do
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find is a home of broken and destroyed furniture and household items. We're talking broken glass, smashed furniture,
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a mattress cut and slashed with a knife, right? And it's not clear if the stuff was like smashed on that Wednesday and
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Thursday or if it's been smashed for a while. Friday night at 11 p.m., an Amber Alert goes out for the three missing
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skeleton boys. The following is an Amber Alert issued for the three sons of John and Tanya
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Skelton of Moreny. Police are searching the neighborhood now. The FBI is on the way. An Amber Alert has been issued for
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three young boys in Lenway County who are believed to be in extreme danger. Andrew Ryan Skelton, age nine. Alexander
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William Skelton, age seven, and Tanner Lucas Skelton, age five, were reportedly last seen Friday at 2:30 p.m. with
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Joanne Taylor, a woman who their father, John Skelton, met on the internet. The suspect was to return the children to
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their mother, but the children have been missing since. Taylor is believed to be
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a resident of either Jackson County or Hillsdale County and drives a silver van. Police say the father of the three
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boys has been hospitalized following a suicide attempt. The missing children are all described as white males. Andrew
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is 4'1 in tall, weighs 57 lb, and has brown eyes and hair. Alexander is 3'9 in tall, weighs 45 lb, has brown eyes and
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hair, and has a scar on his hairline and on his chin. Tanner is 3' 6 in tall with blue eyes
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and blonde hair. The Morreny Police Department is investigating and was to hold a news conference today. If you
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have any information regarding the three missing children, the alleged abductor,
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or the suspect's vehicle, please call 911, the Morreny Police Department at 5174582323,
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or Lenoway County Dispatch at 517263524. At 1:30 a.m. early Saturday morning, the
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Morreny Police Chief contacted Tanya. She was asked to get to the police department as soon as possible to
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discuss the situation. This is because the local authorities want to try to get a handle on what was going on before the
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feds came in. As you heard in the Amber Alert, they also stated that they contemplated even doing an Amber Alert
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because that would set off everything. You're going to have all these searchers come in. You're going to have FBI come
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in. Would this help or hinder what they're trying to do? Well, and we've seen this in plenty of other cases
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before where you have to get certain information out to the public because you do need the public's help,
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especially when you're looking for three missing persons, possible abductor, and
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you have a description of the abductor's vehicle. Mhm. But then the problem with
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that is when you are racing for time, when you feel like you are in a race against time to find these three missing
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Virginia. [Music] All right, we're back. Cheers, mates. Cheers to you, Captain. John's story,
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John Skelton's story or stories regarding the location of the three boys Mhm. is a very difficult portion of this
00:27:40
case. Yeah. What is not difficult but is scary is law enforcement worked to track
00:27:45
John's cell phone and if his phone was moving at any point during the times when the boys were in his care. So
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here's the scary part. On Friday, so the same day that the boys would later be reported missing early Friday morning.
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We know John's phone was on the move. At 4:29 a.m., John's cell phone was approximately three miles from his home
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on Congress Street and moving. At about 5:00 am, his phone is near Holiday City,
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Ohio and Pioneer, Ohio. So, Holiday City is a tiny little town in northwest Ohio,
00:28:23
near the Michigan, Ohio state lines. Yeah. Holiday City is about seven or eight miles south of Michigan. And by
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everything that's out there, John traveled straight from his house to this area. This is a place that he would have
00:28:37
drove through multiple times when he was a trucker. Yeah. And if you check the approximate travel time on any
00:28:44
directions or maps application, Mhm. you get, depending on the route, it's about
00:28:48
a 24 to 25 mile one-way trip that would take about 30 to 32 minutes of travel time. Mhm. which matching up perfectly
00:28:58
with what the cell phone evidence shows. 4:29 a.m. he is just about 3 miles from
00:29:04
his house. And then 31 minutes later, his phone is in Holiday City, Ohio. Then at 6:46 a.m., according to the evidence,
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his cell phone is back at his house. So what we have here is John assuming he is
00:29:21
with his phone. He is in this Holiday City location for 70ome minutes and with no reason to be there and then he
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returns home where later we are told after several communications with Tanya. He attempts to commit suicide fails,
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injures himself and calls a friend to take him to the hospital. Yeah, your marriage has fallen apart. You don't
00:29:45
have custody of your children. Mhm. Well, you have part-time custody of your children. You lose your job.
00:29:52
And then something happens over this Thanksgiving. Mhm. And you go to a town in Ohio that you're familiar with,
00:30:01
right? But your story to the police is this person that you know that you gave your kids to, they met you they met you
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at your house. They picked them up from your house, right? just doesn't make a lot of sense at all.
00:30:17
Well, that's a big part of the difficulty with his story and with this case. So, then the difficult thing
00:30:24
becomes when did he hand his children over to this woman? And just how complicated is his story? And could it
00:30:32
possibly be true? Well, there was this report. A possible sighting at this doughnut shop in Sandusky, Ohio of the
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three skeleton boys may offer the first glimmer of hope that the brothers are still alive. Shop worker Sandy Jones
00:30:47
says she thinks she saw Tanner, Alexander, and Andrew in the store 3 days after Thanksgiving. The two older
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ones were really, they didn't act like they wanted to come through that door when they first came in. Sandy says the
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three were with a woman that they looked tired and hungry. The woman who was with
00:31:03
the boys even called Tanner by name. They kind of huddled together. The younger one kind of looked up and was
00:31:10
looking around. He just didn't know what he wanted at first. Like he wanted everything. And she kept saying, "Just
00:31:15
pick out your donut, Danner. Just pick out your donut." That's how only I know his name. And then it was funny when I
00:31:20
saw the newspaper. I'm like, "That's too much of a coincidence." Joan says she didn't know about the story until she
00:31:25
saw it in the paper after the holiday weekend. She then told her coworker and I said, "Stephanie, these little boys, I
00:31:31
swear, were in the doughnut shop." The owner of the doughnut shop is a former police officer. After Jones and the
00:31:37
owner talked it over, they filed this report, but not until several days after the sighting. I thought I was going
00:31:43
crazy. So, I waited and talked to him and he um the owner Terry and he was like, "You know what? They do look like
00:31:52
them." And we went around about the name again. And then we didn't know what to do because we didn't have we didn't know
00:31:57
the car or license plates and we didn't know if it could be any kind of help or not. And the more we thought about the
00:32:04
more we like know we need to call because it it it a chance that could have been them. As for the woman Jones
00:32:09
says she was disheveled. She was about 5 foot five 5' 6. Um like I said she looked like she was in her 40s. She
00:32:16
looked very um tired haggarded. Um she had dark scraggly hair that looked like it had just been dyed.
00:32:23
So, of course, police are working to confirm this tip. The boy's father, John Skelton, was caring for the boys when
00:32:28
they went missing back on Thanksgiving. His extradition hearing is scheduled for
00:32:32
December 14th. Governor Granholm is already expediting his All right, so I know you're all chuckling, but grow up.
00:32:39
Yes, a a former police officer owns a doughnut shop, but grow up if you're laughing about
00:32:46
that. And you can't you can't hear it on the clip that portion of the clip that we played, but at the very tail end of
00:32:52
that when he's done giving the report and he's going to turn it back over to the um you know the people in the
00:32:59
studio, the the news studio, he says Joanne, that's the the news anchor's name. So
00:33:07
kind of some ironic things inside that story itself. So well, let's just go over this eyewitness account. Do is do
00:33:16
we believe this at all? Well, so it's interesting for a few different reasons, right? At one, it's a sighting of three
00:33:25
boys. Mhm. At a doughnut shop. This is the House of Donuts in Sanduski, Ohio. It's not terribly far from Morreny,
00:33:34
Ohio. It's about 100 miles east. It's more east than southeast, but it's technically southeast. And Sanduski is
00:33:42
right on Lake Erie. So about a 100 miles away 3 days after Thanksgiving or 3 days after they went missing. I'm a
00:33:52
little uncertain of that point but of that portion but they're with a woman. So there's some things that are lining
00:33:59
up here to John's story. Three boys, not two, not one, you know, no other people reported with them. Not a little
00:34:08
girl, not a a grown man, not anybody else. three boys that this woman at the doughnut shop believes to be of the
00:34:16
appropriate age of the missing children with a disheveled looking woman who looks tired and the kids look tired as
00:34:24
well. Tired and hungry. Yeah, it seems more believable to me because yes, one they're with a woman, but that she's
00:34:30
saying one of the kids' names and that the person behind the counter picked up on that. Yeah. Yeah. And it must have I
00:34:38
mean the three kids as well as the woman must have stuck out like a sore thumb to
00:34:43
this eyewitness because she's kind of recalling this after the fact. She was unaware at the time that there were
00:34:50
missing people that could have been you know the or in the general area of where
00:34:56
this donut shot 100 miles away not terribly far. Right. But this is also one of the problems with the Amber Alert
00:35:02
is that you will get so many sightings. Mhm. And that could be a bad thing because when they should maybe be
00:35:10
looking closer like this search to me does doesn't make a lot of sense. They're searching so much of the
00:35:16
hometown. They're searching the the house. But we have cell phone ping technology
00:35:22
that puts him in in a whole another state and a whole another area that's very rural and we lose track of his cell
00:35:31
phone pings for about an hour and 45 minutes. Mhm. So the the phone either dies or gets turned off and we're in an
00:35:39
area that there's acres upon acres upon acres. This would be a perfect dumping ground if you're trying to hide bodies.
00:35:47
Mhm. Well, I I thought that we um the downtime, let's call it, of the cell phone information or evidence, right, is
00:35:57
closer to like 70 75 minutes. um because we we have to factor in the travel time
00:36:05
that's involved on the way to this location and then on the return trip to his home, right? So, we have that cell
00:36:13
phone moving as you say and and as we know the interesting thing here and you and I I agree with you because on the
00:36:21
surface it's like well why why are they I mean they got hundreds of searchers looking at his neighborhood looking in
00:36:27
the general vicinity of his home. I mean, we even have helicopters flying over and they did uh thermal searches as
00:36:35
well. You know, that's where they're going to be looking for any indication thermally of where they could find these
00:36:41
boys if they were being hid somewhere. But I think what we can deduce from this information that we have, not knowing
00:36:49
exactly what tactics police and searchers are going to actually implement, Mhm. is the Amber Alert and
00:36:58
the phone call from the police chief to Tanya, to the boy's mother, where we know the feds are coming in. We know the
00:37:07
FBI is coming in. So, what I believe we have here is a couple of things. Let's not just limit ourselves to one search
00:37:16
area. I believe the feds, the FBI was brought in because we do have information that there's a possibility
00:37:22
that these kids were taken against their will, be it with their father or or anyone else and they were taken possibly
00:37:30
across state lines from Michigan to Ohio. Right? Therefore, now we have an FBI situation. Kidnapping across state
00:37:38
lines, that's a double whammy for the FBI. So you bring them in and maybe they are the ones that are in charge of
00:37:45
searching the area that is across the state line where on the local level where you have local jurisdiction, you
00:37:53
can then police search grid search the neighborhood of John Scoutton. Well, the area in Ohio, it would probably be
00:38:03
better if you just search by helicopter and maybe some kind of um infrared. Yeah, the thermal Yeah, infrared. Um,
00:38:11
the other thing too to keep in mind here is as suspicious as the movements of his
00:38:17
cell phone are because of how early in the day that is, that's doesn't seem to be typical routine. He has no reason for
00:38:24
being in that area, right? As suspicious as that seems, you also have a bunch of
00:38:29
information saying, well, his cell phone was in the lo general area of his home for a much longer period of time when he
00:38:37
had the children. So, you can't overlook searching that immediate area. Right. Well, and then also it's not clear if he
00:38:47
left with his vehicle or did he get into uh somebody else's vehicle? Mhm. Right.
00:38:53
There's a situation where he says this lady came and picked him up from me. Oh, by the way, I went with him for a while.
00:38:59
Yeah. And then she brought me back home. But but also around this point, isn't this where he starts stating, "Hey, I
00:39:08
wanted to give them to this woman because my wife was abusing them." Well, that's where I think we need to go
00:39:15
through his story a little bit as well as some background information on the Skeleton family, right? Because let's
00:39:23
say that sighting that we the clip that we just played and I gotta I gotta tell you, Captain, right? Hearing that I'm
00:39:31
hopeful that there there's information in that sighting that that eyewitness told us sounds more legitimate than
00:39:39
most. Gives me cause for hope. Gives me cause to believe that her story is is spot on. Yeah. Makes me want donuts. So,
00:39:47
if we are to believe that this sighting is real and and and she was correct that
00:39:53
she did see the three boys, then we have to believe John's story, right? His explanation regarding the whereabouts of
00:40:01
the three boys. And here's what I here's what I will say to try to sum this up as
00:40:07
best as I can. Having looked at this for for a while now, I don't feel like I can say that it's a
00:40:15
changing story regarding John's story in a sense that it contradicts his original story. Right? But John's story
00:40:23
to me seems more to evolve rather than to change completely. So he first tells Tanya, he gave the kids to a friend of
00:40:31
his named Joanne, and she was in charge of driving the boys to Tanya's home. He gave them to Joanne because he was going
00:40:39
to commit suicide. That's the first story. Then we hear John tells investigators he gave the boys to a
00:40:46
foster care home, an underground foster care home because their mother Tanya was
00:40:52
abusing the boys. This is where we need the background information on the Skeleton family. So, this is both John's
00:41:00
and Tanya's second marriages, right? They've both been married before. John and Tanya, they had their first child
00:41:08
together after one year of marriage. So Andrew is the oldest, 9 years old at the
00:41:14
time of the disappearance. He's described as very smart and great in school. He loves video and computer
00:41:21
games and is very competitive when playing. He is very inquisitive and out of all the boys, he is the most timid
00:41:28
and quiet. Then you have Alexander, who was born just about 2 years after Andrew. He was seven at the time of the
00:41:35
disappearance. Alexander is the daredevil of the boys and he has a few stitches to prove it. He enjoys riding
00:41:43
and jumping on his bike, playing in the dirt, starting water fights. He's the one described as quote always getting
00:41:50
into trouble. But they say when it comes down to it, he is a lover. And Alex loves cell phones. Working or not, real
00:41:59
or fake, he loves cell phones or the idea of a cell phone. He often would play with a cell phone that were no
00:42:06
longer in service. He enjoys charging them and using the camera feature. Tanner is the little one, the littlest
00:42:13
one. And he was born just two years after Alexander. And Tanner is by far the storyteller of the three boys. He
00:42:22
has a great imagination. Gets that from his father. He can tell the most far out
00:42:27
stories or tell something that really happened. Uh he will get you to believe it and then we'll tell you no, it really
00:42:33
didn't happen and he'll he'll laugh at you, right? Like he's pranking you. Yeah. Tanner doesn't like tomatoes. He
00:42:39
will not eat anything if there are tomatoes in it or around it, including ketchup. Mhm. Tanner really looks up to
00:42:46
all of his siblings. He doesn't want to be left behind, so he is always trying to keep up and do what everyone else is
00:42:54
doing. Now, Jon and Tanya were married for 10 years before this all went down. Jon was married before and had a child.
00:43:03
Tanya speculates that Jon may have freaked out when it was likely that she and John were going to get a divorce and
00:43:10
she was going to get custody of the kids. She cites that's what happened in his first marriage. Tanya's story is
00:43:19
more complicated. Mhm. Tanya was married before and had two daughters in that previous relationship. These two
00:43:25
daughters are very, very close to Tanya to this day, but are much older than her
00:43:30
three boys. Tanya's first marriage ended because of criminal charges. Tanya had some kind of inappropriate actions and
00:43:39
behavior with a 14-year-old boy. When charged, she plead guilty and she did serve time in prison for this
00:43:47
offense. Right. And she is a registered sex offender in the state of Michigan. Yeah. According to everything I could
00:43:55
find, this is not something that Tanya hid from John. He knew about her background before they got married. He
00:44:03
knew about it before they had children. Yeah. So this is why that doesn't you I mean it's good that she didn't hide that
00:44:10
from him but at the same time it's like that's that's a very odd situation and very gross situation.
00:44:19
Well yeah and you know what's difficult for for me as I sit here in this garage chair after we've covered so many cases
00:44:28
and and I've been so hardcore of saying you know once a child molester always a child molester. Mhm. And you know that
00:44:37
that I may have put myself in a difficult position when discussing this case because I feel like
00:44:46
I I feel like we should I feel like we should give her credit for not being for not hiding this from him. You know what
00:44:53
I mean? It it deserves some credit because we have seen situations where well she has to register where she lives
00:44:59
and stuff like that. So he's going to find out eventually anyway. She might not be able to find out. And it's one of
00:45:05
those things where look, I mean, it's a it's a crime against a child. The the boy was 14 years old. Mhm. So, that's
00:45:13
that's awful. Yeah. And but at the same time, she in this case, she is a victim or possibly is a victim. And so, you
00:45:23
don't want to have it come across as victim blaming, right? Well, but ultimately this is why John tells law
00:45:29
enforcement he gave the boys to someone else to raise. Either because he feared losing them in the divorce or because he
00:45:36
was planning to commit suicide. And Tanya was abusing the boys. He didn't want them to live out the rest of their
00:45:43
days with her. Right. So now John, following his treatment for his injured leg, he was sent to a facility for
00:45:52
evaluation. Once released there, he is immediately taken into custody and held in jail because of the situation with
00:45:59
the missing boys. John's parents talk to him and they believe his side of the story. In fact, at some point, they say
00:46:08
that John told them previously about possible abuse in the household. Hence, that's his reasoning for wanting to take
00:46:16
the boys to Florida to set up a new life there. The police don't believe him. They they publicly announced that they
00:46:25
are unable to confirm that a Joanne Taylor even exists at all. Well, what we do know is his mother believes him, the
00:46:32
father believes him. Yes. And his sister believes him, they believe that that John is telling the truth. Correct.
00:46:39
Right. And not only does the not only does law enforcement come out and announce that
00:46:45
we don't believe that he gave his sons to this Joanne Taylor person, right? we can't confirm that she even exists. The
00:46:53
difficult thing about that for law enforcement is you you're kind of sitting on a fence there, right? Not so
00:47:00
much in that statement, but in the course of your investigation because you have to be sitting there wondering,
00:47:06
"Well, crap. Just because we can't confirm that this person exists doesn't mean that his story is not true.
00:47:13
What if he gave them to someone claiming to be Joanne Taylor?" Right? So the other thing though too that they
00:47:21
announce is that they fear that Jon has done something terrible terrible with the children. They don't believe that
00:47:27
the outcome they publicly state this. They don't believe that the outcome is going to be a good one. Meaning we
00:47:34
should be looking for bodies. And of course they had good reason to. Yeah. And I think the first part of that
00:47:44
good reasoning behind that comes from the cryptic Facebook post by John on that Wednesday on Wednesday, November
00:47:51
24th. Mhm. That said, "May God and Tanya forgive me." Well, that doesn't sound promising, does it? Right. But you
00:48:00
wonder if that is implying to towards the suicide that he eventually is going to try to commit the Yeah, that's a good
00:48:09
point. That's a very good point because some religions claim that, you know, taking your own life is a sin. So maybe
00:48:16
he's confessing his sin to his his God and and his wife. Well, and the other thing too is keep in mind
00:48:25
if it was an asking for forgiveness because of the suicide or the attempted suicide. Mhm. From
00:48:33
every indication I could find, it seems like John was still very much in love with Tanya during this time that he was
00:48:41
Yeah. focused on trying to get the family back together or get his marriage back together. So you could be very
00:48:49
right that it could be for asking for forgiveness for that act or I guess in a sense it could be asking for forgiveness
00:48:59
for giving the children away and then committing suicide. Right. Both. Right. So or Yeah. And and the thing too is you
00:49:07
could love your wife but know that she is sick on some level and that she's molesting the boys. then you you don't
00:49:16
want her to be around. But that doesn't mean that doesn't mean he can just shut off all the feelings that he had for
00:49:22
her. I mean, I would I mean it would be seconds. Oh, you're molesting kids. Oh, no feelings for you anymore. You can die
00:49:30
in rott in hell. Yeah. So, so may God and Tanya forgive me. That was the John Skeleton's Facebook message to the world
00:49:40
two days before he unsuccessfully tried to hang himself. It was also two days before the disappearance of his three
00:49:46
children. Right. Again, is he say is he also apologizing for him murdering the children? Right. I mean, we didn't bring
00:49:55
up that aspect. Well, and that's what I think most people take it as that that he's apologizing for murdering the
00:50:02
children and then also trying to take his own life. Well, and I think that's the the common initial reaction
00:50:10
that most would have. I know that that's the the initial reaction I had. Right. Now, the other reason to believe that
00:50:17
this outcome's not going to be a good one, as law enforcement stated, is what they found on John's computer. So, the
00:50:26
night before the boys disappeared. Now, keep in mind at this time, John is considered by law enforcement and by his
00:50:33
own admission to be the only adult in the home in his home with the computer that we are going to talk about at the
00:50:41
time of these two searches. Okay? And this is not verbatim, but one search was something to the effect of how to break
00:50:52
a neck or can you break someone's neck using your hands? [Music] Another I mean that's dark as hell and
00:51:02
again not very promising. Well, but right, but let me hold on. I'm gonna play a little devil's advocate here.
00:51:09
Yes, sir. the the night which we think was the Wednesday or maybe it was the Thursday.
00:51:15
He claims that he made the boys's favorite dinner and that they got fried chicken and he made a cake because it's
00:51:22
going to be one of the boys' birthdays soon and then they watched a karate movie. Mhm. Now, kung fu kung fu. Well,
00:51:30
well, they said karate movie, so I was actually guessing that they probably watched Karate Kid or something. But
00:51:37
think about it this way. You're watching Karate Kid. You're watching some kung fu
00:51:41
movie. You see a guy maybe break somebody's neck with some move and then you Google search it.
00:51:49
Well, that's his explanation. That's what John's explanation is when he's confronted with this information, right?
00:51:55
Why would you look that up if you didn't do something terrible to these boys? Well, we were watching a karate movie or
00:52:01
a kung fu movie. what he fails to provide, and I get I shouldn't fault him too much for this, but again, I've never
00:52:08
been in a room being questioned about a triple homicide that you're going to admit on air. What
00:52:14
he what he has what he fails to provide in his defense is the title of the movie
00:52:21
that he claims they were watching. Yeah. But anybody that has kids knows that sometimes you throw on a movie or a
00:52:29
movie's on TV and kids are watching it, they seem entertained and you're in the kitchen cleaning dishes and you're not
00:52:35
really part of the movie watching proc process, right? See what I'm saying? So it's like then if you went, "Oh, well,
00:52:42
what were they watching?" Well, I'm not really for sure cuz I wasn't really watching. I was doing the dishes or I
00:52:47
was cleaning the house or whatever was going on. Well, this seems like an awfully violent movie to be allowing
00:52:52
your three children under the age of 10 to watch. Oh, come on. What do you mean?
00:52:58
Everybody watch, you know, you don't think that's a fair assessment of this situation? No, I think I mean I'd be
00:53:04
like telling children they shouldn't watch WWE or something. Well, but I'm I'm stating we we also don't know the
00:53:11
title of the movie. So, if they're watching Karate Kid at the age of under 10, I'd say go for it. Yeah, but it it
00:53:18
can't be Karate Kid. And I'll tell you why. Because of what John says in his defense. He says the reason why that
00:53:25
there was a search on his computer for the phrase how to break a neck or can you break someone's neck using your
00:53:32
hands, the they're watching a karate type kung fu type movie, right? And in the movie,
00:53:40
somebody breaks someone's neck just with their hands, you know, like what is that
00:53:44
Steven Seagal Vanam kind of move there. And he says that it was at the kids asking him or not believing that that
00:53:55
was realistic what they were seeing on TV, you know, oh, you can't break somebody's neck with your bare hands or
00:54:01
or dad, can you actually do that? And so he says, "I Google searched it with the
00:54:06
boys, right, to see if that was even a real thing." Which sounds like I I know Mr. Miyagi was pretty tough on those
00:54:14
teenagers for beating up Daniel Son, but I don't remember any necks being snapped. I think he twisted one of their
00:54:20
necks. I I believe he did. And then again, you're talking about kids under the age of 10. They're coming up. They
00:54:27
don't have to see something verbatim to come up with a question. Oh, we saw this
00:54:32
guy twist this guy's neck. Hey, did he break his neck? I don't know. Can you break somebody's neck by twisting it?
00:54:37
Right. I don't know. Let's ask dad. That's all I'm saying. So, we have no clue what the title is. We don't have a
00:54:44
clue how violent it was. But again, I I wouldn't say that Karate Kid, for example, would be like a movie I
00:54:52
wouldn't want a 10-year-old to watch. Uh maybe Blood Sports, something different,
00:54:56
but you know, they're also little boys. That's what kind of movies they they like. Yeah. No, I'm not saying that you
00:55:05
not to let young children watch Karate Kid. I love the original Karate Kid, the first one. I one of my favorite movies.
00:55:12
And my father, who's pretty strict with what I could watch when I was little, um
00:55:17
sometimes his judgment was a little cloudy or my understandment understanding of his judgment was a
00:55:23
little cloudy because I recall watching uh Conan the Barbarian when I was in the Destroyer when I was
00:55:30
very little. And that's a pretty violent movie. Very violent. Um, but look at how
00:55:36
you turned out. So, the other thing here is there's another search on the computer
00:55:43
and that is for something to the effect of rat poison or can rat poison kill a human?
00:55:50
Mhm. Okay. Also very dark. Dark as hell. Not very promising. Again, John's explanation for this is this search on
00:56:00
the computer was again at the request of his three children that during the course of that same movie, somebody is
00:56:07
killed by poisoning or rat poison according to the movie that he's watching with the kids. And so they
00:56:14
search this to figure out if that can actually happen. Yeah. Well, my big problem with this search there, buddy,
00:56:21
is you made chicken. You made your boys's favorite meal. Seems like if you're gonna make your boys's favorite
00:56:30
meal or you're gonna make a a cake, right, for their birthday, these are things that are pretty simple to get
00:56:37
them to eat. Did you make these favorite things for them on purpose so you can put poison in there and then you took
00:56:46
their bodies once once they were poisoned? you took their bodies in the morning when nobody else was up and you
00:56:53
drove out to some field somewhere and you dumped them off. That that makes a lot of logical sense
00:57:00
to me. Well, and then on top of that, think about the state of the home when it was found. When they entered the
00:57:06
home, it was it looked like it was destroyed. Like somebody just in a tornado of rage just went through there
00:57:13
upending furniture and and tossing things and cutting things and breaking and smashing things. Is that a
00:57:20
very, you know, trite, juvenile, lame attempt at hiding some evidence or at least
00:57:27
confusing the scene, you know, right? Or were you losing your [ __ ] for so long
00:57:32
that you're busting plates, you know, when you got mad at them cuz cuz you couldn't control them. Mhm. Cuz you
00:57:39
weren't being such a good parent and everything in your life is crumbling and you're This guy seems so worried about
00:57:44
getting back together with somebody that didn't seem to give a [ __ ] about him.
00:57:48
It's like you could you could take that time and and refocus on being a better father or refocus that on on your career
00:57:57
or whatever. Yeah. But there's also guys that get into the state, guys and and girls will get to the state where
00:58:04
they're so desperate to be with somebody that everything is collapsing around them and and and that's all that
00:58:10
matters. Mhm. So did is every time that you called her that she said that she didn't want to get back together, are
00:58:16
you going into some other room and smashing up, you know, punching your hole through the wall or or smashing
00:58:22
some dishes or whatever, right? And and are you I who knows. So yeah. And did that that tornado of rage did that take
00:58:32
place after the phone call? Remember Tanya says that he at some point John speaks with her on the phone and says,
00:58:38
"Are you sure there's no chance that we can get back together?" Right? You know,
00:58:43
did that occur immediately after that or a result of something else? And from the
00:58:48
outside looking in, it appears like, you know, like you said, Tanya may care for him in on on some level,
00:58:56
but it appears that that she only cares for him as being the father of her three
00:59:02
boys, right? But this [ __ ] can't see that. And let me just give you some advice. Everybody out there, if you're
00:59:07
with somebody and they don't know if they want to be with you, here's what you do. And here's what you do every
00:59:13
time, 100% of the time, you go, "Okay, well, I'm going to go over here and work on myself. I'm going to focus on
00:59:22
myself." Cuz if they come back, you're going to be a better person anyways, and you're going to be better for them. And
00:59:30
if they don't come back, you're already going to be working on yourself. And it just seemed like this guy's world's
00:59:36
collapsing. And we've seen I was actually just listening to a show the other day where they're talking about,
00:59:41
you know, the the suicide rate for men jumps up dramatically after losing a job. And so
00:59:49
I would argue that if this guy is suicidal that he's possibly also homicidal. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, here's some advice
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for the flip side of that coin. If you are with somebody and they love you completely, just let yourself go 100%.
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When just let yourself completely go. Let yourself go. Regarding the things uh as for talking about like Homer Simpson,
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just let yourself go. Don't ever listen to him go. Uh, regarding the things to kind of back up law enforcement
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statement of not feeling like we're going to have a good outcome in this situation, there's another item, and
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this is another cryptic message, if you want to call it that, but this is in the
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form of what John Skelton tells his pastor, Donna Galloway. Remember, he's locked up shortly after the boys go
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missing, shortly after his failed suicide attempt. And when he spoke, when Donna Galloway spoke to him, his
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statement, John's statement refers to when it comes to the time frame in question that we're all wondering about,
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John says there is a blank spot in his brain. It was like a big dark hole. Now, without going too far into that as
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to what that could mean, because with a lot of John's statements, all we're left with saying is, "Well, what
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could this mean? It doesn't straight up, it's not it's not straight and to the point, right? This is there's a big
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blank spot in my brain. There's a big dark hole. What does that mean?" Well, it sounds like OJ actually. Yeah. You
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know, in OJ's book where he is confessing to the murders, he states, "Oh, well then I blacked out. Then when
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I come to there, they were dead. Blood everywhere." It's like, did he have a blackout for hours? Right. I mean, do we
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have any evidence of him using drugs or possibly alcohol? Uh, it's from the information I could
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find, he was a drinker. I don't think he was a a big big drinker. Mhm. Um, no indication of drug use that I could
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find. But again, this is not a promising statement. And like you said, you referenced OJ. We've we've read several
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stories where somebody later states for some reason, you know, I feel like it did something bad. I just don't know
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what it is. I can't recall what it is. There's a period of time I don't know what I was doing. I don't know if if I
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was awake. I don't know if I was asleep, you know. So, this is uh another dark, very dark statement. Well, you'd think
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they'd be able to test for fluids found at the scene. And you would assume that if he, let's say, he did try to poison
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these kids that a lot of the reaction would be throwing up and that we'd at least have some evidence of that
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happening at the house. I mean, yes, you could clean that up, but it didn't look
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like he cleaned up much in that house, right? So, there must not be any evidence of that. And they did. I mean,
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they've searched that place from top to bottom. Well, and what's also it's a small town, so they probably know all
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his whereabouts because of the cell phone pings and they probably know everything he probably purchased. So,
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I'd be interested to know if he even purchased poison or it's again it's a logical answer.
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You're you're um watching a movie with your kids, they ask you a question. Hey, can you can you twist somebody's neck
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and and kill them? Right. Uh no, you can't. Or yes, you can. Um then you go, oh, we saw this day on the movie. Can
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you kill somebody with rat poison? It might not not even be in the movie. It could. I mean, this is the kind of
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questions that kids come up with. I mean, anytime I pick up my nephew and it's like it's a 10-minute drive, I
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think he asked me 20 questions that are impossible to answer, you know? So, it's
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it's so weird because it's a logical answer, but on the flip side, it's a logical
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explanation what what could have happened to these poor boys. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Well, you referenced that this is
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a small town. Just to give those of you out there that are not familiar with this because I wasn't super familiar
01:04:28
with this area either. Well, with this town of Morreny. I've been to Michigan. I go to Michigan twice a year. Great
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state. Best place to go in summertime is Michigan in my opinion. But Morreny is like a town of like 2,000 people. It's a
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town that's like two square mi, you know, two miles by two miles by, you know, it's a two square mile town,
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right? Tiny little town. Everybody's got to know everybody's business. And like you said, had he purchased anything that
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would go along with those searches on his computer with what their suspicions were. If they would have found any signs
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of vomiting or certain fluids inside that home, be it blood or anything like that, he
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probably would be facing murder charges or something to that effect, right? Because they already got this guy locked
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up. And then the other thing regarding the cell phone movements on that day in question, that early morning Friday that
01:05:27
that you have pointed out, that I have pointed out is so suspicious. John has an answer for everything. John says
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regarding his cell phone going to Holiday City early Friday, November 26th. Well, that's easily explained
01:05:42
because someone I know, a friend of mine borrowed my vehicle. I forgot that my cell phone was in the vehicle. Who was
01:05:50
your friend? Who borrowed your vehicle? Can we talk to them? And then John says,
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