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[Music] crime notorious unsolved crimes in Texas the yogurt shop murders four teenage girls were murdered
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in North Austin at the yogurt shop it was set on fire and when it was put out by
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firefighters that's when they found the bodies inside tied up stacked on top of each
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other all the girls shot in the head execution style the firefighter with me tapped me
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on the shoulder and pointed down and he asked me is that a body and I I had to step back and it it was I saw another
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body I knew that that it wasn't right something was not right I mean play that over in your mind
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different subtypes of DNA that we have that could be one of the keys to to bringing this investigation back into
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the [Music] courtroom 1991 in Austin TCH four teenage girls were bound and killed in a
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small yogurt shop the store of course was robbed and now 25 years later this case remains unsolved the yogurt shop
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murders took place back in December of 1991 this case has gripped the City of Austin since and it has be been quite
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the drama first of all you have the horrible murders that took place but then you have an investigation with many
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Peaks and valleys I had heard of this case years ago but never really looked into it and I do want to add that this
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case has been requested to be covered on this show by many when I first started looking into this case well first of all
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it's a very strange case with strange circumstances MH but as I got kneed deep in this thing it started to occur to me
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and I can't I can't shake this thought that this case is like a meshing of two cases that we have covered before first
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you have it's like the Burger Chef murders you know that we covered back in episode 2 and also very much like the
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West Memphis 3 case that we covered in a three-part Series in episodes 40 to 42 and I'll tell you why I'm making these
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connections here first the Burger Chef murders for maybe more obvious reasons both of these events took place in
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places of business uh both being food or snack places involving a robbery and ultimately the killing of persons in the
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store in the Burger Chef case all of the persons killed were working at the store
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at the time that night and they're mainly teenagers yeah and they were actually taken to another location first
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but nonetheless it's quite a similar situation now for the West Memphis 3 case and the connection there the
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reasons are a little more subtle but it's it's well let's say quote unquote the interesting confessions basically
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little to no evidence but just a simple confession or confessions that led investigators to persons they believe to
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be responsible for the murders in both cases being that of young men or more appropriately a group of teenage boys
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and in both cases is the West Memphis 3 and what you know a lot of people call this the yogurt shop murders I kind of
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view it as the Austin city 4 mhm uh there's four victims and there's going to be four major suspects um but with
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with both of those cases we're talking about horrendous murders very horrifying yes yes so this all takes place on a
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Friday December 6th 1991 17-year-old Jennifer harson drops off her little sister 15-year-old Sarah now Sarah is
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with her friend who is 13 years old her name is Amy SS she drops them off at a local spot they are going to catch a
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movie and hang out afterwards Jennifer had to go go to work that evening she worked at the I Can't Believe It's
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Yogurt Shop this is located in a strip mall on West Anderson Lane in Austin Texas I Can't Believe It's Yogurt is a
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basically a frozen yogurt chain and know similar to like a fro yo mhm yeah we used to have one of these back
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in the day probably around the time of this crime here in in this city um and it's a great place to drop in for a
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snack especially in summertime in the hot days uh great place to take a date to you know these are usually smaller
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shops Ice Cream Shop jobs are normally run by teenagers and it's a Friday night so we don't even actually have a adult
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on staff we have Jennifer harbinson uh who's working the closing shift with the another 17-year-old girl Eliza Thomas
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and as said this is the evening shift the closing shift Jennifer and Eliza would be closing up the shop for the
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night at the end of their shifts now keep in mind this is not a huge store so it will just be the two of them cleaning
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up and closing the shop for the night and this is something that they had done before sometime later in their shift
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Jennifer's Little Sister Sarah and her friend Amy arrive at the yogurt shop they're going to help the two older
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teenagers with the closing d duties and then catch a ride with Jennifer afterward there was going to be a uh a
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sleepover that night some the closing time was scheduled for 11:00 p.m. MH so during this time you know we we've all
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seen this done before or we've worked at similar establishments and this means not only do you have your doors open and
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you're working through your your customer line and and ensuring everybody's having probably not a huge
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customer base at on this day because it is December but it is Texas so it is a warmer environment actually didn't
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think about that yeah like here in Columbus some of the ice cream shops even close for the winter time so this
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is something we're not really accustomed to but during this closing shift not only are you trying to uh keep the
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customers happy and make sure everybody's served in a timely manner but you're also doing closing duties you
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know you're cleaning up the place and closing it for the night and it requires a certain amount of uh administrative
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type uh duties where you'd be collect you know Counting the money and filling out some paperwork and maybe doing a
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little bit of light inventory or paperwork and then on the flip side you're going to have a little bit of
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just hustle and bustle you know you got to sweep the floors mop the floors you know wipe down the windows all that
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stuff and we we know how this goes down right Captain because when when people that are working at a store or working
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at a restaurant like this you if especially on a Friday night when you have things that you want to do
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afterwards usually you're trying to do some of these closing duties even before you've officially locked the door for
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the night you know you're trying to trying to expedite the whole situation so you can get out of there in a timely
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manner mhm around 10 p.m. a man named Daryl Croft enters the shop and he is there to buy yogurt for himself and two
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friends now Daryl Croft is quite observant he's a former police officer yeah or he's just buying three portions
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for himself uh at at the time he ran a security company um there's a line of customers and Croft noticed that there
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is is a man who is waiting in line but this man is letting people go before him the man is wearing a military fatigue
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style jacket uh this man approaches Croft and asks him if he's a cop I guess Croft had one of those Vehicles you know
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with the lights on top of it so obviously it the vehicle looks like a police car but it is in fact his
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security vehicle uh so the man asks him if he's a cop and then offers to let Croft uh take you know place his order
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before him go in line before him Croft is a bit put off by this and thinking that the man might be up to something so
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Croft does not take the man up on his offer thus it's now time for the guy in the Army jacket to place his order and
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he ask simply just for a can of soda he doesn't order any yogurt at all after the man paid for his can of soda he went
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to the back of the store uh Croft then approaches the counter mhm and he places his order and he asked Eliza Eliza is
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the shift supervisor that night so she is on the register uh he asked you know where did
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the man go why did he go to the back and she says you know he had asked to use the restroom and she had allowed him to
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the back of the store to use the store's restroom Croft still is put off by the man and decides that even after
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receiving his order he's going to stick around a little longer than necessary you know he kind of wants to keep an eye
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on the place it's you know it's his nature he's a former police officer um but after a few minutes go by you
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know his he's got frozen yogurt it's starting to melt right here this is direct evidence that this gentleman
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bought three servings of yogurt for himself and not for him and two friends well like I said the the man that he's
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waiting on that he's trying to keep an eye on the guy in the Army jacket he doesn't come back he doesn't come back
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so uh Croft decides that he's going to leave now Croft would end up giving a fairly detailed description of this man
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he described the man as a white male about 6 feet tall mid to late 20s with a medium build dark hair he was clean
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shaven he had a clear deep voice and a long pointed nose so Croft just described me yeah I find it very odd
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that he went into a yogurt shop and didn't order frozen yogurt right that's the only reason you need to be there but
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uh then when he orders the soda and then heads off to the restroom it's like well
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maybe he's just being polite by ordering the soda so he's not just using the restroom and and and not paying for
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anything possibly my guess is that Croft you know kind of got the hint that maybe
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this guy was kind of lingering or loitering for for some time for a reason right right right which or he's just a
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complete Savage and goes to yogurt shops for a soda now we are going to fast forward just a little bit so just before
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11: p.m. there is a married couple who are in the yogurt store so this is just before closing right just before the
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girls will lock the front door finish cleaning and restocking count the register and then leave for the night
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yeah and this is the best part of the night if you're the employee well things are winding down there's only four
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customers in the store at this time well and you're excited to go home yeah you have the married couple who say that
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they see two men sitting at a booth and this is while the girls are cleaning the
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shop they're and this is important here stock in the napkins in the dispensers that are on the tables and picking up
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chairs and flipping them upside down and placing them on the tables as they clean
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each table and move on to the next uh the the details of this couple account we we don't have we don't have them this
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is not something that's been presented to the public not everything here has been released but about this particular
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part of the evening but the couple says that the men were sitting together at the booth of course and they are acting
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strange uh we don't know what exactly that means uh but the woman says that the man made
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her uncomfortable the couple leaves the store just minutes before closing time and the two men are still present in the
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store when they leave so we got creepy MC creepers and his buddy old Oddball and they're the last two known customers
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in the yogurt shop that night yeah we would call these campers you know when I used to work at the restaurant and at
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the bar people that just kind of sit there with with basically nothing on their table for far too long and
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probably you know it's so close to closing time sometimes it's a few minutes afterwards we go oh I got a
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group of Campers at table 13 well and these campers these creepy campers is what we should call them neither one of
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them were eating yogurt they're both just drinking sodas and I know that sounds like such a silly thing to keep
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harping on but maybe that's why this married couple why the woman was kind of so put off by these two that she thought
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that they were strange or acting she says acting strange we don't know exactly the details of that um but but
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she's afraid of them now the the married couple has left as as Captain just said
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we got the two weirdos still sitting at the booth the creepy campers now closing
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time is 11:00 p.m. at 11:03 p.m. someone pushed the no sale key on the register this is opening the
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register drawer so this would have been recorded on the register so we know this
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happened it's believed this may have been the start of the robbery in the start of the horrible events to come now
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just before midnight then rookie Austin Police Officer Troy gay was on patrol near North Cross Mall uh he reported
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smoke coming from the rear of the I Can't Believe It's Yogurt Shop uh now as I said the yogurt shop is located in a
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strip mall and this is just down the street from the North Cross mall where the rookie officer is stationed uh
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according to the media reports at the time nearly 50 firefighters responded to this call at the yogurt shop Jesus after
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extinguishing the Flames they made a Grizzly Discovery so keep in mind here what's going on right we how destroyed
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this place must be there is a fire and a pretty decent sized one at that well and
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and all that the people know all that the firefighters know is that this is called in as a fire it's not called in
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as a burglary or anything and that's going to come into play because what happens is when the firefighters get
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there they start doing their job they start trying to put out the fire this place is ablazed uh it's a you know a
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family-owned business these are franchised it's connected to other businesses so now they're trying to save
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that whole area and as they do that they make that gruesome Discovery Well and even after they put out the fire the
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place is full of smoke uh objects in the store are melted burned and ruined um there would be soot everywhere
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and water from the firemen's hoses so much that there were puddles of water all over the place right one of the
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firefighters walking through the shop after the fire had been extinguished he points to something on the floor and he
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asked the firefighter next to him what is that and the object he is pointing to is a foot can you imagine the thoughts
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that are going through that firefighter's head well now a new call has to go out right Captain because
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originally they're responding to a fire and the firefighters discovered that we have a fatality and actually the call
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that goes out is that they discovered three fatalities after extinguishing the fire this call is going to the police at
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this point obviously and just seconds later that call from the dispatcher that came to the police police cruiser radios
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well it it has to be updated because shortly just seconds afterwards it's updated to four fatalities were found
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well now the firefighters have to start treating this as you know a crime scene and they already aware that the work
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that they did to put out the fire has already contaminated that crime scene which is going to make this way harder
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for the police officers and law enforcement the detectives to collect evidence MH and and I said four
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fatalities that is in fact the call that went out but but technically Amy the 13-year-old she was clinging to life uh
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when discovered but but she died very shortly after after the discovery so four girls lay dead inside the shop
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three were found together this would be in the back room prep area the other girl Amy was found closer to the back of
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the shop this is near the stores restrooms and like we said Amy is 13 Sarah is 15 then we have Jennifer and
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Eliza that are both 17 just kind of put into perspective I mean we have a couple
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we do have two older teenagers but you know Sarah and Amy were were just babies M and Eliza Sarah and Jennifer were the
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three that were found in that back room prep area now they were actually found together two of them were stacked on top
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of one another and the third girl lay next to them investigators believe as do I that all three of them were probably
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stacked on top of each other but due to the chaos when the firefighters were putting out the fire and sweeping the
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ceiling walls and floors with their high-pressured hoses that the girl which was on top was probably knocked to the
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floor one of the First Responders described the girls as charred nearly to the Bone investigators immediately
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concluded the blaze was set to cover up the crime you mean the arson happened to
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cover up the murders yes yes sorry about that but the thing here is Captain we have multiple crimes happening in a very
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short period of time in a small space right we have the arson that was that the fire set to cover up the murders was
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the murders due to something going wrong in a robbery because one would assume this is a robbery gone wrong uh when you
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start to look at this thing and there was a robbery you know we we said that that at some point no someone had hit
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the no sale button on the register we don't know if this was one of the girls or if this was a robber um but what we
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do know is there is $540 missing uh from the store that night that seems like a very small amount of money to kill four
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innocent girls over yeah it's to me this looks like it it makes absolutely no sense even if
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you if you try to go down the path of a robbery gone wrong I don't know that you
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commit four murders to cover up a a $540 robbery and and furthermore it seems to
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me like you could have picked another business where there would have been potentially more more money if this in
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fact if money was the actual object that you were seeking that night how about you talk a little bit about one of the
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main characters in this case detective Jones yeah so here's an interesting situation regarding this case detective
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Jones was working the night shift that night and he was one of the officers that received the call about the
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fatalities he's on his way to the store the strange thing here is he's actually being he has a ride along that night
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right he's followed by a news team yeah they're doing a piece on crime in the city uh and they're following him around
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so we get a lot of of news footage from this crime scene right from the get-go so detective Jones as you said he's one
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of not only one of the first law enforcement officers to the scene that night but he would end up being the lead
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investigator early on in this case he's called to the scene and he describes the
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scene to the news team after he goes inside he comes back out and he describes the scene as a whol sale of
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Carnage and to make matters worse we got four teenagers well and actually at the
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time they didn't even really fully know that I mean I've heard Jones talk about this case time and time again and one
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thing and I'll try to try to say it as best as I can but when he's referred to his immediate reaction to what he's
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seeing you know he says you know I've seen burned bodies before you know the enormity of that is huge but and then to
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have the Stacked bodies but he says we couldn't tell a lot back then right when we were in the building uh we couldn't
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even tell race or sex so that tells you how bad the scene was mhm and this shop was you know a pretty typical any kind
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of retail shop that would be in uh a strip mall and what we have at the scene is we have the locked front door so we
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could assume that um the girls were able to lock the front door on what capacity
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and then normally you lock the front door you take care of all your belongings you might have to run out
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trash through the back but they found the back door unlocked and open like crack yeah and the the owner of the
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store would kind of help police with the with this situation to kind of take them
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through how this closing time would work and what he States is that the back door
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itself it's dead bolted and and there would be no reason for the girls to open up that door that night okay so have to
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throw trash away that night right having the back door unlocked and opened was strange was super strange to the owner
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and it might be just a simple sit as Maybe the owner says you know what leave the trash near the back door leave
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the trash in this location and I will take the trash out when I arrive in the morning morning yeah now regarding the
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front door it's a little bit of a different situation it's it's locked that you know the firefighters found the
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front door locked they were able to pry it open pretty easily they're hell they're firefighters that's what they do
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they kick in doors and bust down doors put out fires right but this door itself it was locked from the inside and it was
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one of those kind of locks where you would lock it with an actual key mhm and that same key would unlock it from the
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outside right so the door was locked with the key still in the lock on the inside of the door now what the girls
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would would do is after they finished up everything they would unlock the front door from the inside they would leave
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taking the key with them lock the door from the outside and then they would slide the key underneath the door
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putting it back into the store so the people that arrive in the morning presumably these are people that have
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their own key you know the the owner and maybe a manager or something right they
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would arrive in the morning and they would pick up that key and the whole process would start right but that way
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you don't have a bunch of employees running around with the key right you don't have to a million keys out all
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right so just a quick recap we have a fire at the yogurt shop the the the firefighters show up they start putting
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out the fire and then they quickly realize that we have a murder scene mhm um we then have the detective showing up
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they can't even identify these bodies cuz they're so badly burned and so badly charred they realize then the arson was
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to cover up the murders uhhuh and then on by the way we also have money missing and we have one door open the other door
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cheers hey I do want to get into the autopsy report and I and here's the thing though Captain this is always
00:29:32
tough in these situation in any case that we go through because sometimes we cover the autopsy findings and sometimes
00:29:38
we do not uh and usually you know it's a thin line and you have to decide when you're going to cross that line or not
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and typically with uh a case involving teenagers um we would try to stay away from that but in certain situations that
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report could mean a break in the case it it can clear up certain amounts of evidence that are found well and also
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depending on what you find during that autopsy it changes the suspect that you're looking for mhm and as we said
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there the later in this case there's going to be four suspects that that are brought to the Forefront amongst a whole
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bunch of other groups of suspects and the problem here is I think you have to review that autopsy report because
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within that there could be Clues as to how many perpetrators it took to carry out this crime was it four people was it
00:30:30
one person you know and some of this information helps and the reason being is you know we talked about the West
00:30:37
Memphis case right M West Memphis 3 so so just comparing the two real quick here and the reason why I think it's
00:30:45
important is in this situation in the yogurt shop murder situation we have a very we have a very uh pinpointed time
00:30:56
frame of when the deaths probably occurred you're right because we we know that they're closing about 11: uh and
00:31:03
then we know that the firefighters receive a call and are on the scene about 12 yeah so we have about an hour
00:31:10
and and we can surmise that that they were killed during that hour period now in the west Memphis case what the big
00:31:17
what the big problem with that case was in my opinion is that they were not they
00:31:22
were not able to nail down the time of death and that being that there were so many people that have been suspected of
00:31:30
that crime you know whether it be in the media's eyes or in the eyes of investigators but one big problem you
00:31:36
have there is when you cannot pinpoint that time of death well you could have eliminated a lot of those suspects just
00:31:43
to what time they they were murdered well right and if you have a time of death then you can find out if that
00:31:49
person has an alibi or not but again here I think what we're going to find out is does this point to one person two
00:31:55
persons four people carrying out this crime that that's the important thing here which is very similar to The West
00:32:01
Memphis 3 as well so hopefully this will clear some things up uh for later on discussion because this shocking case is
00:32:08
about to get real cloudy real quick I do want to be perfectly clear here though right while I do have a quote unquote
00:32:16
autopsy report um and I have very little reason to doubt the following report but I want
00:32:23
everyone to understand something that this is a thirdhand account of the autopsy report
00:32:31
because early in this case it was determined that the autopsy reports should be sealed and according to some
00:32:39
people um these are technically public documents and that they should be made public because this could help with the
00:32:47
actual investigation so what I have here is actually a third hand account of the
00:32:52
autopsy reports this was the reports were supplied by a former attorney to a writer and then a a writer reviewed them
00:33:02
and gave a summary of those reports so what we have here is is this report and I'll read it read it as it goes um well
00:33:11
just the warning is is this is graphic in nature so yes just be warned so we have the uh body of Sarah harbinson uh
00:33:19
was found nude uh found gagged and her hands were bound behind her back with a pair of panties uh her body was severely
00:33:27
charred and she had been shot through the back of the head with a 22 caliber gun uh this was a lead bullet which was
00:33:35
recovered from her brain then we have Jennifer harbinson whose nude body was found she was not bound but her her body
00:33:44
was found in a manner that her hands were behind her back uh her body was severely charred as well but there was
00:33:51
no binding on the hands no binding but you don't know what could have been burnt in
00:33:57
situation um she had been shot through the back of the head and again a 22 caliber lead bullet was recovered from
00:34:04
her brain Eliza Thomas she was nude as well and gagged her hands bound behind her back with a bazer and her body was
00:34:13
severely charred uh and she had been shot through the back of the head again a 22 caliber lead bullet was recovered
00:34:20
from her B from her brain yeah I mean this is just the scene is horrific uh what a tragic scene
00:34:27
Amy airs uh her body she was found nude as well with a sock likee cloth material
00:34:33
wrapped around her neck with a half hitch in the back um this would be the manner that it was tied in her body was
00:34:41
not severely charred now remember she was the one that was found elsewhere okay so this might help lead
00:34:47
investigators to figure out where the fire had originated from um well Amy Amy wasn't badly charred as like the other
00:34:56
victim vitim were but she did have second and third degree burns on about 25 30% of her body and she had been
00:35:04
found shot in the back of the head just like the same same as the other girls with a 22 caliber gun um but the bullet
00:35:12
in this case did not enter the brain however there was a second gunshot and in this report it says the caliber is
00:35:20
not specified in the report caused this second gunshot caused severe damage to the brain so possibly two weapons two
00:35:28
guns this would be two weapons yes and this bullet exited through the right lateral cheek and jaw area all right so
00:35:36
is it possibly two guns or is it definitely two guns well according to this report it sounds more like possibly
00:35:42
two guns but what we would later learn is that it is in fact uh two guns and I'm going off of this assumption because
00:35:50
of the police were looking for a 22 caliber gun and a 38 or a 380 caliber gun okay and what this tells me is that
00:36:01
probably at the time that when this autopsy was filed uh when this report was conducted they may not have found
00:36:08
that bullet at that time and it may have been recovered from the scene later therefore they know that it's a a 380 um
00:36:17
the the report goes on to state that whereas the cause of death for each of the other girls this is all this is
00:36:23
Jennifer Sarah and Eliza the three other girls other than Amy was determined by the coroner to be shot with a 22 caliber
00:36:31
gunshot wound to the back of the head the cause of death for Amy was listed as a result of gunshot wounds of the head
00:36:40
and aixia due to ligature strangulation also unlike the other girls Amy's fingernails were cut for
00:36:48
examination purposes and fingerprints were taken yeah and it seems like maybe that we should just assume that with
00:36:55
Jennifer Sarah and Eliza that maybe their bodies were just so badly charred that they couldn't
00:37:01
actually take those for fingerprints yeah I would guess that a certain amount of evidence was lost due to the amount
00:37:08
of fire that that the bodies had to succumb to but the situation here is it it's showing us a few different things
00:37:16
okay one it's showing us that Amy is believed to have spent more time with with whoever was assaulting her or
00:37:23
whomever was you know killing her um you know they clipped her fingernails for a
00:37:28
reason um and this may have been we have a big problem here right Captain because we have one girl that's
00:37:35
found back by the restrooms she's the same girl that is shot twice the only one that's shot twice the only one where
00:37:41
there's mention of possible strangulation as well so do we have a situation where all four girls are shot
00:37:49
and believed to have been dead and then the whoever did this is stacking the bodies so that because when you burn the
00:37:57
place the whole goal here is if you're trying to cover up these murders is that you want to burn as much of that
00:38:04
evidence away and as much of those bodies as possible do we have a situation here where someone had stacked
00:38:10
those bodies and for whatever reason Amy had survived we know that the bullet didn't hit the brain and then at some
00:38:17
point she started to crawl or to move away from the from from the stack and was was tracked down and then killed
00:38:25
near the rest rooms that's very I mean it's horribly sad for the fact you know Amy again is is the youngest of all four
00:38:34
victims we should also talk about what the city's fire investigator found U now that we've gone through what we've heard
00:38:42
of the autopsy so the city fire investigator Melvin stall he concluded that from reviewing the crime scene that
00:38:50
the fire had started in a corner of the shop where the supplies were stored so this would be where the fire started
00:38:58
then at some point it it worked its way through portions of the the of the store
00:39:03
yeah and with the autopsy and with this uh the fire report this is basically the
00:39:08
start of the investigation and looking for suspects and looking for answers of this quadruple homicide yeah and in this
00:39:17
situation detectives are going to do just like what they would normally do in any homicide type situation you're going
00:39:23
to start off by interviewing family members and Friends of the victims in interviewing the store owner and
00:39:29
employees as well as owners and employees of the shops nearby you're also going to interview the customers
00:39:35
who had been in the shop that day and Fielding thousands of tips phoned in from very concerned from the very
00:39:42
concerned public because this I mean this this case blew up the city rightfully so I mean people were calling
00:39:49
in with tips left and right well and I'm sure there's a bunch of statements from
00:39:53
the the store owners next door yeah yeah one such interview was that of the owner
00:39:58
of the nextto shop this is a party supply store uh this man stated that the only thing out of the ordinary for that
00:40:06
evening was that he had heard popping noises and sounds that he had thought were coming from the roof uh he had also
00:40:13
noticed the back door to the yogurt shop was open it it was propped open and and
00:40:18
this was abnormal now of course the the police are assuming that the popping noises that he had heard were probably
00:40:25
the gunshots right but one thing we got to keep in mind here is this store is right next door and in a strip mall
00:40:32
they're sharing they're basically sharing a wall so this is not like a huge barrier between the two locations
00:40:39
what what is he hearing he's hearing popping noises he's not hearing screams he never reports hearing screams or or
00:40:47
loud commotions other than these popping noises so what that tells me is that we
00:40:51
have a a a group of victims here that seem to be by by going by this one account seem to be controlled by
00:41:00
whomever is carrying out this crime yeah I mean you'd think well You' think also
00:41:06
maybe that um there's some way that they're unconscious at this point mm and maybe that's why they're not you're not
00:41:13
hearing the screams cuz you'd think that if you're next to your you know best friend or next to your sister and and
00:41:21
she got shot you know what you would be doing that would be UNC controllable you
00:41:27
I mean like that you could have you could have one uh suspect on each victim and that doesn't stop you know somebody
00:41:35
from making some kind of noise once you start shooting yeah we have two of the victims that are gagged um that may have
00:41:41
played a role in that that as well um but we also don't know what what's going on inside these four walls we don't know
00:41:49
what's being said to them uh what we do know is just like you said four victims perceivably you would you would guess
00:41:57
that that all four of them would have been shot with that 22 mhm uh three of them were killed by the 22 the fourth
00:42:03
survived it but was shot by it so you almost seem like you have a situation here where they're being executed one at
00:42:10
a time right um and you're exactly right you would expect the the Remain the the
00:42:16
alive uh people to start reacting to what they're seeing or hearing um somehow somehow either these these
00:42:24
screams were muffled or didn't happen at all and and somehow these the perpetrator or perpetrators of this
00:42:31
horrific murder and murders was able to control the scene and control the victims well and like I said I mean the
00:42:38
possibility it's just likely to me that there would be unconscious by some level
00:42:44
MH um there only one of them had been reported to show signs of some kind of actual struggle um and that was Amy she
00:42:53
had had uh what appeared to have been hit on the face with something um and again we talked about her probably
00:43:01
having more uh you know probably a closer attack on her than the other girls um the because of the crime scene
00:43:11
being so messed up you know because the fire had destroyed so much of the crime scene detective Jones he knew that this
00:43:17
would make the investigation very difficult at best to identify and collect evidence that remained at the
00:43:25
scene I got to say that detective Jones I believe you know did his due diligence
00:43:30
here he immediately calls in for backup he reached out and brought in several different organizations into this
00:43:37
investigation he brought in the Federal Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms he also brought in the FBI and the Texas
00:43:45
Department of Public Safety detective Jones was not the only detective on this case he was actually working with his
00:43:51
partner uh detective Huckabee plus having brought in all those other organizations you're going to have you
00:43:58
know detectives and investigators involved uh from those places as well well 8 days into this investigation we
00:44:05
got uh detective hucke and detective Jones they're going to receive a break yeah this would be a 16-year-old boy his
00:44:12
name is Maurice Pierce now he had been picked up at the North Cross Mall remember we had said this was the mall
00:44:18
that was just blocks from the crime scene and he's picked up because he's carrying a 22 caliber handgun yeah
00:44:24
during questioning Maurice Pierce he said that he had lent the gun to his friend Forest wilborne who was 15 and
00:44:32
wilborne had said that he had used the gun to commit the yogurt shop murders right now if at this point as far as
00:44:40
detectives go you're thinking done solved yeah yeah and but you got to do your due diligence because you need
00:44:46
evidence if if if in fact this wilborne character carried out the murders so one
00:44:51
thing that they do is that they hook uh Maurice Pierce up and their they're going to record a conversation that he's
00:44:58
going to have with forest wilborne and Forest Wilborn has no clue according to the recording what what his friend
00:45:06
Maurice Pierce is talking about right and you know they're trying to get this they're trying to get some idea if
00:45:12
forest wilborne was actually involved now when they bring in wilborne he immediately denies any involvement uh
00:45:18
but he did tell investigators that he and Pierce along with two other boys this would be Robert Springstein and
00:45:25
Michael Scott that at some point they had stolen a a vehicle uh and this they had stolen a vehicle because they wanted
00:45:33
to Joy Ride to nearby San Antonio uh this was a stolen SUV this took place not long after the crime but it was that
00:45:42
admission that put Springstein and Scott and the other two boys on the police radar right nonetheless after lengthy
00:45:50
questioning Jones and his team they dismissed Maurice Pierce as a suspect they concluded that he was lying about
00:45:57
having lent the gun to his friend and his friend saying that he had used it in the murders that's just such an odd
00:46:03
thing to lie about though well and and the thing here with Jones too is Jones speaks very frankly to everybody and and
00:46:10
I I like the cut of his jib I like his character and and one thing that he said years later you know when brought up the
00:46:18
fact of Maurice Pierce and they found him with the gun and now you you're talking to his Maurice Pierce's three
00:46:24
friends he basically says yeah we had to deal with him because he got caught with
00:46:29
a goddamn 22 and Jones would go on to say that it yes it's the same caliber as one of the two guns used in the crime
00:46:37
but it became clear to Jones that neither Pierce nor Wilborn had any connection to the crime at all when he
00:46:44
describes Forest wilborne he describes Forest as Forest had no clue he says this is a guy that couldn't organize a
00:46:52
two-car parade yeah that boy didn't know chicken [ __ ] from chicken salad he was
00:46:56
no criminal mastermind that's to you know to say the least in in Jon's opinion moreover Janes says that Maurice
00:47:03
Pierce his gun that 22 that they found on him it did not match the ballistics of the crime which is a strange which is
00:47:11
a strange thing because then he almost immediately says that and he points this out and he's rightful rightful to do so
00:47:18
but stating that 22s are typically thought as throwaway weapons because the ballistics uh the bullets are flattened
00:47:27
uh because they're a softer smaller bullet and this usually leaves very few few Clues which would help match them to
00:47:35
a particular gun uh but the gun that they checked on Pierce was just one of 75 guns they test fired 75 guns and they
00:47:45
never found a successful link to any of the guns that were used in the crime it seems like detective Jones and uh
00:47:52
detective hucke did a really good job of trying trying to let the evidence tell the story yeah and not to come up with a
00:47:59
theory and make the shoe fit you're exactly right and the other thing here too is we from Jones's statements future
00:48:06
statements we can we can verify that there was that second gun even though and and we know now that the autopsy
00:48:13
report was not complete because Jones would tell us that the there was a second gun used in the crime this was a
00:48:20
380 pistol used to fire the single shot into Amy uh and he stated that a big part of their investigation which was
00:48:28
right to do so was looking for that 380 he said because While most 380s have a particular twist to the rifling of the
00:48:36
barrel the one that was used in the yogurt shop murders it had an opposite twist so if that gun could be found
00:48:43
which who knows I mean it still could be found even 25 years later this would be
00:48:49
a tremendous help to closing this case and to figuring out who did this crime well it seems like this 16-year-old
00:48:56
Pierce is a little bit of a nutcase right he's he's basically saying well I got this gun he seems like he's being
00:49:03
kind of braggadocious about this whole idea of um you know my friend was involved you know and then it just seems
00:49:11
odd and and like I said detective Jones is going well the shoe doesn't fit right
00:49:16
and then we have this other detective that comes in to actually interrogate Pierce yeah and I I want before we get
00:49:21
into that I want to go into this just a little bit more here because Detective Jones he's not a rookie detective okay
00:49:28
at this point in his career he's investigated over 140 homicides so this is a seasoned detective this is a guy
00:49:36
that knows what to look for he's probably put many many people behind bars for those murders now this
00:49:43
situation like you said do we just have some dumbass 16-year-old boy and I can say that because I was once a dumbass
00:49:50
16-year-old boy okay and I know how some you're still a dumbass 16-year old boy I
00:49:54
know how some some of these things work okay so do we have a situation here where this kid and and he's probably not
00:50:02
a you know a good you know a doood he's probably not a good Samaritan he's walking around a mall with a with a gun
00:50:10
and and you know could could you see kind of a dumbass 16-year-old kid kind of bragging to his friends like oh you
00:50:17
see this gun this 22 caliber it's it's the same kind of gun that was used in the yogurt shop you know uh not meaning
00:50:24
it's the exact same gun um the other thing too though like what you were going to get into is this other
00:50:30
detective that was involved in the investigation at the time but we also see in the west Memphis 3 there's a lot
00:50:36
of accounts whether these were madeup accounts or not was that you know Damen Eckles was going around town basically
00:50:43
you know bragging about that he was involved you know yeah and and he States things like well I had people asking me
00:50:50
if I was involved so at some point I just kind of joked joked to them to their face you know which came back
00:50:56
to really be a bad idea B in the probably much like this Maurice Pierce person um but we have a detective um
00:51:04
who's no longer a detective his name is Hector palanco now he's an interesting guy right he is a guy that that Jones
00:51:13
would say you know we learned this years later that Hector palanco was responsible for getting for having a bad
00:51:21
name yeah for getting many many people to confess to crimes that they did not commit what a skill yeah yeah he he he
00:51:30
was he was strong in the area of coercion right he also interviewed Jesse M Kelly so which he did not we don't
00:51:37
want anybody to get confused there um but what he's saying is that when they brought in Maurice Pierce and they
00:51:43
wanted to really Grill him right put the hammer down right so they stick him in an interrogation room with this
00:51:50
detective palano and palanco was not able is a bad name it's a regular name I'm sorry if your last name is palanco
00:51:59
most of our listeners have the last name palanco 95% of our listeners are Panos what he's saying here is that if panco
00:52:07
could not get this Maurice Pierce to confess to the crime MH he didn't do it he absolutely didn't do it and that's
00:52:14
that's detective Jones saying this out of experience okay so do you think listen just hypothetically right what do
00:52:22
I think we have Pierce in a room we don't know if he did did it right right but they call you in oh he's in the room
00:52:28
because they assume he did it oh no I'm saying hypothetical that's what hypothetical is is fictitious land okay
00:52:35
we just have a suspect right and and they call you in Columbus PD calls you in and they say we want you to get him
00:52:43
to confess you think you could do it uh no no I don't I don't think I would have
00:52:49
that skill you don't think you watched enough detective shows or like SVU or anything uh there was a detective that
00:52:56
that worked a famous case up in Canada was a serial killer and I can't remember his name maybe McDon I can't remember
00:53:03
his name he was the guy that was involved in the the Air Force up there uh so this is a guy that would not be
00:53:09
easy to break uh and I watched they had a lengthy video of him interrogating this guy and he got him to to talk
00:53:17
eventually and this was this was not like this was not like a guy that just got into the air force this was a guy
00:53:23
that was very high ranking officer that that had spent 20 some years in the Air Force up there and he was a respected
00:53:30
individually individual in the community as well as in the government uh government's eyes up there he he would
00:53:37
be the type of criminal that you would think that you wouldn't be able to get him to Spill The Bean so to say right
00:53:44
and this guy was able to do it and I I sat there and I watched the interrogation like three times because I
00:53:49
thought oh if I could just pick up something here then you could use this on anybody and it would work I I I could
00:53:55
tell you right now I don't have that ability well maybe it was just his time to tell you know what I mean maybe it
00:54:00
was just his building up inside him and it didn't really matter who asked well I
00:54:05
got to admit when I when I first sat down and I heard about this situation I I was being the ever ever being the
00:54:12
skeptic that I am right I I expected it just to be something all your typical run-of-the-mill interrogation this guy
00:54:19
he was never like aggressive or forceful with anything um I don't even think he ever lost
00:54:25
to the guy that he was interrogating but he got him to confess he got him to start talking and it was I thought it
00:54:31
was masterful yeah and I know there's like some techniques that they use but uh one of our uh buddies that is a
00:54:38
Columbus uh detective always talks about he never claimed to be like a super intelligent guy he worked hard uh did
00:54:45
his job but he wasn't like into like the psychology of trying to figure out criminals and all that stuff and so he
00:54:52
would just go in have them talk you know confess you know and and maybe they did confess
00:54:58
but it would be like bits and pieces and then he would just go okay well I got to
00:55:01
go talk to this guy and he'd go out you know pretend to talk to the guy get another cup of coffee come back and go
00:55:08
we got to start from the beginning cuz you're lying and then he would just do that about five or six times and he them
00:55:14
down eventually they're just like so confused and thinking that this guy has to know something that they just start
00:55:21
spilling the beans he you know I don't know if we're talking about this same guy but there there's a detective that I
00:55:27
spoke to and this is a very this is a pretty regular technique I'm assuming but I had never thought of it at the
00:55:34
time but one thing he had told me because I'd asked him I was like you know how many times in these when you're
00:55:39
questioning somebody do you just outright lie to them which I've always thought was strange but you're allowed
00:55:45
to do so right um and he told me that you know he's like a lot of times you don't have to lie to them he's like it's
00:55:51
really about the way you word things and he said said you know if I if I were talking to somebody that we suspected
00:55:58
robbed an ATM machine well what am I going to use I'm going to use their knowledge that their general knowledge
00:56:05
that they may know and I'm going to mix in a little bit of stuff that we might know but I'm not going to you know I'm
00:56:11
not going to have to lie because I could look at the guy and tell him well what if I said to you that we have you on
00:56:18
camera committing this crime right he's not claiming that they do but then immediately the guys thinking well of
00:56:26
course they have cameras at these ATMs I was at that ATM and then a lot of times
00:56:30
or I was not at the ATM and then you go well that's impossible right yeah well now's the point in the investigation
00:56:36
because look that's your big lead right going back to the four teenage boys that
00:56:40
are picked up that's your big lead and then that after you investigate it and you put them through the mill there it
00:56:47
really goes nowhere for them it doesn't check out exactly it doesn't it doesn't fit the crime uh so now police are going
00:56:55
to start focusing in on the freaks right because you've you you've exhausted some
00:57:01
of your leads and you got to start looking into well what's going on in the area yeah and also just to keep in you
00:57:08
know our minds on the time frame this is 1991 this is two years before West Memphis 3 and and so we this is the
00:57:16
height of satanic Panic yes and that's that's part of the freaks that they're going to start focusing the
00:57:21
investigation around they're going to check in with known uh Satanist in the area rapist uh
00:57:28
violent offenders and serial killers and because this is an extremely violent crime that took place right and you
00:57:36
would you would think that if you have to find somebody outside of the circle of the victims or outside of the circle
00:57:43
of the shop itself that now you're going to have to look for people that are capable of such horrendous violence well
00:57:50
and that's one of the things that detectiv Jones said is is he didn't even believe that the the for that they had
00:57:56
or capable of something this horrendous let's go into the thought of the serial killers that we had mentioned right so
00:58:02
in 1992 we have a man that is picked up and his name is Kenneth Allen McDuff okay
00:58:09
now some of our listeners are this name is going to ring bells with them right uh this is a serial killer and he is he
00:58:19
was actually first convicted of raping and murdering three teenagers way back back in August of
00:58:27
1966 um he killed three people like I said in 1966 and he was he was known as the
00:58:35
broomstick killer and you think well why is he involved in this 1991 case well he
00:58:42
was he was caught and Texas had a problem okay nowadays we know Texas is one of the FastTrack states where they
00:58:49
they they convict people and they execute people with with a quickness uh that's not carried out as fast in other
00:58:56
states way back then it was a bit of a different situation okay because you did have the the uh capital punishment the
00:59:04
death penalty was abolished in 1972 so even though that he was convicted and sentenced to death back back in ' 66
00:59:14
that was abolished in 72 so they end up commuting his sentence to life with the possibility of parole yeah which is
00:59:21
ridiculous which you also have another you have another bad thing going on here in in the state of Texas at some point
00:59:30
in his in his while he's in prison there's an overpopulation problem okay all these prisons are getting heavily
00:59:38
overpopulated so the idea here is you got to let some of these guys out to create some space for the new guys
00:59:45
coming in yeah the thought that sounds like a great idea well he would he would not be high on their list of people to
00:59:52
release obviously because he's an extreme violent offender right three murders so
00:59:58
what they start off with doing is letting out the nonviolent offenders M well they do that for quite some time
01:00:04
and even though it it doesn't create enough space so at some point they have to start releasing violent offenders the
01:00:12
problem here is he had served quite a bit of time and he was considered to be older and therefore the thought would be
01:00:21
that there's a better chance of him being rehabilitated when you compare him to a prisoner that had only spent a
01:00:26
short amount of time in prison right but you have three murders under your belt and three rapes so you know hey let's
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send this guy out cuz he's too old for that so due to the extremely crowded prison Texas prisons McDuff is pared in
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1989 now actually upon his release McDuff is arrested on a series of parole violations but he's not locked up for
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any substantial length of time what happens here captain m is that in late December of
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1991 along with an accomplice uh he is in Austin City Texas they pick up a woman named Colleen Reed now she is at a
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car wash now this car wash is not terribly far from the yogurt shop right they pick her up and abduct her at a car
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wash and basically I don't want to go into the details of of what takes place after that but she is killed she's
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killed that night and her body is is not found for quite some time and it's not found in
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1992 um what happens here is he would after being released he ultimately ends up killing a couple of people and he's
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suspected of killing many more people the thing here is he he's in the area at the time right and he's a very bad guy
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and and second of all he's there's some similarities to this crime as to his old
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crimes he he was known to have raped the victims before killing them he was also
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known to have tied them up and a lot of them they to use their own belongings you know we talked about these girls
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were tied up with with socks that were theirs and or pay need of yeah exactly and he he have done similar things with
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stockings and uh and panties and things like that shoelaces before um the thing here is though that that's strange is
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that if he were to have been involved in the yogurt shop murders this would have taken place
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December 6th 1991 he picked up Colleen Reed December 29th in Austin 1991 it would be hard for me to believe
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that he uh would have stuck around you know we're talking about a guy that was probably moving about quite a bit
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especially moving about the state of Texas it would be hard for me to believe that he would stick around for almost a
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month after after that crime yeah but not unheard of for a killer to stick around no you're exactly right you're
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exactly right yeah and with Colleen Reed he had an accomplice and so you know a lot of people believe and I think a lot
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of the evidence points out that it was at least two people uh that you know did these heinous crimes at the yogurt shop
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so again uh you have two people in the coling Reed and those same two people you know just you know less than a month
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earlier could have done it is possible I do want to go through real quick how McDuff was eventually
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picked up um it wouldn't be until March uh it was March of 1992 uh there was an abduction and there
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was a murder of 22-year-old Melissa northop now Northrop she was working at her job as a clerk this is at the
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quickpack convenience store this is in Waco Texas uh when she was abducted and driven from the location in her own
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vehicle which was the 1977 in Buick Regal this car was found abandoned 5 days later uh but it wasn't until April
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26th that her body was found floating in a gravel pit about a mile from where the
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car was discovered her hands had been tied behind her back with shoe strings and a sock uh she had been strangled
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with a rope uh police were led to McDuff after his abandoned vehicle was found parked near the store uh and he had once
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worked with Northrup at the store and was arrested he was tracked down in Kansas City May 4th 1992 this was after
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they had shown his picture on America's Most Wanted and received tips that of where he was located yeah and this is
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frustrating for the cops and frustrating for the detectives cuz clearly you know
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you know this fits his Mo you know and you have this serial killer you have this you know this animal and and you
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really want it to to be pinned down on him yeah you he has to be looked at right because even you might not be able
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to link him to the area at the exact time but the problem is he's somebody that is certainly capable of such yeah
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and he has to be looked at and this is somebody they did look at and they looked at him very hard just couldn't
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connect the dots to to make it fit yeah but this will not be the last time that we hear from McDuff in the in this case
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no and this also will not be the last time that we hear we bring a serial killer into the investigation um this
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investigation is really I mean it this case doesn't go cold for quite some time the investigation's very hot you're
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talking about a situation where we have almost 400 suspects M uh we've had thousands of people interviewed
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thousands of tips received we've had people that have been interrogated questioned yeah and these cases normally
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don't go cold because of the amount of pressure that they're getting put on the Departments from the communities yeah
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and this case would ultimately see 50 confessions right and six of them being written confessions so we don't have
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time you know we got to do this in part two obviously but we'll get into some of
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those confessions we'll get into some of these other suspects including more about McDuff and the other serial killer
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all right and we our recommended reading for the week is yes our recommended reading for this week is Wolf Boys by
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Dan Slater uh this is the story of two American teens recruited as killers for a Mexican cartel and their suit by a
01:06:25
Mexican amican detective who realizes the War on Drugs is unwinable uh this is this is what it's like to be an employee
01:06:34
of a global drug trafficking organ organization and this also talks about how a 15-year-old American boy goes from
01:06:42
being a star quarterback to a trained assassin this case also takes place in Texas that's right and and more
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specifically the Border Town of Laredo Texas where you know sometimes people grow up poor uh the streets are
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dangerous and sometimes Mexican-American teenage boys would end up joining gangs
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like the Zetas which is a drug cartel with roots reaching back to the Mexican military uh wolf boys is a true story
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