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crime [Music] [Music] amory family issued another plea to help find their loved one who tonight remains
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in this Suzanne louder says she talked to her daughter the day she disappeared in Kaelyn seemed fine but police tell a
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different story they say she acted very unusual leading up to her disappearance she called 911
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three times reporting a fight at a burglary that officers say didn't happen and two surveillance videos show louder
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having animated conversations with herself police found no evidence of foul play
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[Music] January 21st 1984 twins are born in American Fork Utah the twins names Kailyn and Colton louder
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the proud parents are Jesse and Suzanne ladder little Kaelyn was a funny kid she
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loved her siblings and enjoyed teasing them she loved her friends and she was a friend to all Kaelyn enjoyed reading
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sharing books and riding horses and here's something that I absolutely love captain Kaelyn was so competitive very
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competitive in fact she was so fiercely competitive playing Scrabble that no one
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liked to play Scrabble with her Kaelyn attended and graduated from Lehigh High School she enrolled at Utah State
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University and graduated in 2006 earning a bachelor's degree in social work she lived her life devoted to helping others
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so it makes so much sense that she wanted to become a social worker and at age 25 she's gonna have a major event
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happen in her life yeah and this involves Kalin's twin brother Colton who was 25 as well obviously this takes
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place on February 27 2009 in American Fork Utah Boulton is at his uncle's house this is
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Colton's mother's brother forty-five year old Jeffrey Ackerman this is a Friday and Jeffrey Ackerman is in his
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driveway loading some four-wheelers this is because he's planning to go for a ride for the weekend now around 12:45 in
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the afternoon witnesses say they heard two men arguing well the shouting turned into a gunshot one homeowner looked out
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his window and saw Jeffrey Ackerman chasing a man through his yard and then across the street and into a field the
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man being chased turned around in shot Ackerman three to four times in the stomach and chest
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police were called this is just your average American neighborhood you know basketball hoops and white picket fences
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and we have a man down shot multiple times police on the way with scared neighbors and a gun man on the loose as
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this whole thing is unfolding the police assessing what happened tending to the victim trying to get him medical
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attention and searching for the shooter three schools in the area were put under
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lockdown for a couple of hours and police asked all three schools not to transport students with buses students
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who usually walked called their parents then around 2:00 p.m. someone at a nearby medical clinic saw
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the suspect standing near a car the witness alerted the police the man was cornered by police and the suspect
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raised his hands in the air and shouted I didn't do it the man did not try to run from what the police say and the
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police found a gun a 45 automatic on the hood of a car parked at the clinic they
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arrested the suspect the shooter turned out to be Colton louder Jeffrey Ackerman was pronounced dead at
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the hospital police shut down the area for hours to gather evidence and interview witnesses
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then they charged Colton with murder there was some confusion in this case it was it wasn't such a cut-and-dried case
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on the surface it seems pretty easy you have the dumb he is now dead and then you have
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the suspected shooter with a gun in custody and you're charging him with murder why you arrest him
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yeah so you have the victim you find the shooter this all happens within just a couple of hours but truly no one really
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knew what went down except for the shooter and the victim and here we have a scenario where eyewitness reports are
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that the shooter was at one time being chased by the gunshot victim there were stories out there at the time that
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Colton was a known drug user and was in the area breaking into and stealing stuff from garages or that he was caught
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by his uncle stealing stuff out of his garage another theory presented was Colton was over at his uncle's because
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uncle Jeffrey was trying to help Colton get off of drugs and somehow an argument
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between the two broke out so picture this for a bit shall we mm-hmm we have a family where one family
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member is the victim and the other is the likely killer so you are both grieving and shocked and each on two
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different levels one of the officers involved said he was on the scene and a vehicle pulled up to him and behind the
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wheel driving is a lady that he recognized and she tells the officer I hear the victim was my brother what's
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going on and to which he has to tell her yes ma'am I know and we have apprehended
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the suspect and it's your son yeah well through some very good and I want to really applaud the legal teams here
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both sides the prosecution and the defense for really doing their due diligence here because the truth about
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what went down that day was really none of what we just mentioned through toxicology tests they were able to
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determine that both Colton the shooter and the deceased victim were high on drugs right this during the time of the
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shooting right so we have a situation where we thought that his uncle was trying to help him get clean but in
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reality they were doing drugs together yes and in fact the deceased Geoffrey Ackerman was on a
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buffet of drugs according to the toxicology test well normally what I like to do drugs I like to do a buffet
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as well so both did a considerable amount of methamphetamines just before the shooting so what we have here is
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people on the inner circles of each of these men they tell investigators that when Colton louder does drugs he gets
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very paranoid right and then others say when Jeffrey Ackerman does drugs he gets
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very angry so now you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce how this cookie crumbled because both are lit up
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like Christmas trees and then an argument slash fight breaks out and the paranoid guy shoots the very angry scary
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guy well and I'm glad you're not Sherlock Holmes because that make me Watson well and because of these
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circumstances and some other circumstances the prosecution and defense are going to work out a deal and
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on November 17th 2009 Kalin's twin brother pleads guilty to manslaughter charges and is sentenced to
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five years in prison for the killing of their uncle Jeffrey Ackerman yeah technically he gets five years to life
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in prison yeah well and you know what captain I want to point out how smart and caring this family is the louder
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family I thought you guys say me before we move on okay so this is a terrible horrible tragedy but the louder family
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was strong enough that they could both mourn the loss of one of their own and still support and care for one of their
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own you know they didn't take sides during this they simply had to say look this is something that we all hate but
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it happened and it so obviously would not have happened without drugs ruining both of these men's lives and now we
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have to support a family member as much as we can who is now behind prison walls
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yeah and because look the family members don't want their family members to be drug addicts and you know when you're
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going down to the Golden Corral you're filling up on on rugs and then you go then this happens
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right and then you go you're you technically losing both family members one is now deceased but one you're
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losing to the prison system yeah and in our story today our case today is not so
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much about Colton louder it's much more about his twin sister Kailyn louder so let's fast forward to 2014 because at
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some point later in the year this would have been late August or early September
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of 2014 right Kailyn lost her job she was working at a private boys school this seems to be as a result of maybe a
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schedule conflict because it appears that she was working two jobs Kailyn was working for rover comm which is a
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house-sitting dog sitting dog walking you know online business right and my guess here is that there may have been a
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scheduling conflict meaning they might have been able to prove that we might have a situation where she called off
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work one day at the boys school and they found out she was actually dog sitting or working for somebody else so other
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than that I don't really know the full particulars of her losing her job but in late September this is when things get
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strange so Kailyn calls 926 then we'll go through these in detail in just a minute right the next day Saturday
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September 27th 2014 Kailyn calls 911 she is last seen on surveillance video leaving her condo and this footage is
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from Saturday September 27th and around 7:00 p.m. after the third 9-1-1 call correct Kailyn louder is reported
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missing on Wednesday October 1st 2014 now this is according to the Daily Mail police were first alerted to Miss
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louder's disappearance on Wednesday after her roommate realized she had not seen or heard from her for a while
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according to an interview with Kalin's mother cousin on that Monday right so Kailyn is
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last seen on Saturday on that Monday just two days after Kalin's mother tells kailyn's father how weird it is that she
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is not heard from Caitlin all right so on the Friday we got two 9-1-1 calls Saturday one call and then she's seen on
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camera leaving her condo nobody hears from her this is now the Monday yes and so I guess they checked in fairly
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regular almost daily so after her mother tells her father hey I've not heard from
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her he tries to get ahold of her but without any luck then Kalin's roommate calls Susanne Kalin's mother on that
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Tuesday and asked her have you seen Kailyn I haven't seen her for a couple of days that is when the family begins
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to panic the next morning her father goes to her condo and he does not find Kahlan but he finds her phone purse and
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dog which is interesting I mean who cares really much about the purr something that probably has her ID in it
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and that's interesting but her dog mm-hmm you gonna want to take care of your dog yeah and one thing I want to
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point out real quick too is regarding Kaylin's car keys mm-hmm so most of the articles out there regarding this case
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state that she left behind her phone keys purse in the dog and I want to try to this isn't really gonna clear
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anything up but going to directly to the source let's say I did find an interview
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with the parents where they state that her car keys were gone so I know that kind of just makes things confusing I'm
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going to go with what they say because they have more a more vested interest in finding her than anyone else so let's go
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with if they say the car keys were gone they were gone while the car keys probably has her condo keys on it and
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this is a pretty nice condo unit right mm-hmm well so the other thing too captain is Caitlin's immediate family
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they were very involved in the search for their daughter and their sister the missing fliers
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distributed they they distributed them they put things online asking anyone for help in seeking information the the
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Flyers list Kalyan louder as missing from Murray Utah since September 27 2014 aged 30 at the time 5 foot 8 inches tall
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right and weighing about 130 pounds with brown hair and brown eyes her condo was
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at the Willows condominiums and she was in condo F at 5,500 willow lane now let's circle back real quick and go
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through some of this stuff in detail starting with the 911 calls the first call is to report a fight this is on
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Friday night right the first call Kaelyn makes this call from her cell phone around 9:00 p.m. and she's reporting
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that there's a large fight at her condos clubhouse there was an event there that
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night so this is not completely out of left field there was a wedding reception there that night in Kaitlyn's call she
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states that she heard gunshots or that she believes there were guns involved now I state this because we don't have
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that actual call to listen to I couldn't find that call to actually listen to I can only reference what was reported
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later now the problem here is police do respond they arrive responding to this call and when they arrived they did find
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that the party was actually a wedding reception and the police say there appeared to be no evidence of any type
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of violence or guns at this party then the second 9-1-1 call that came that same night again this is the day before
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she was last seen right this time she calls an hour after the first call switch 10:30 yeah so she hangs up before
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911 picks up the call the dispatcher decides to call her back now according to reports they
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state that on the tape she sounds confused and has trouble remembering her address
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she is mumbling and difficult to understand at one point she tells the dispatcher her roommate thinks she is
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confused quote my friend told me I'm delusional and paranoid she tells the dispatcher she also told the operator
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that this is a little strange because we don't have the full conversation to reference what she might mean by some of
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the stuff but she also told the operator that she lived in a don't tell don't metal type of community and she didn't
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want to endanger her friends so that's the events that we know of that Friday and those are the two 911 calls and now
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we're two Saturday and we have the third 9-1-1 call but we actually have a copy of that yeah in the audio I gotta warn
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everyone the audio is a little bit tricky here for a couple reasons one at the beginning it's a lot of back and
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forth between the dispatcher and kalynn he's trying to figure out her location so they've naturally bleeped those
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things out that information out before they release this as well as I don't believe that the reception was super
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great at her condo not on the edges of your emergency well repeat the address for verification they're stealing okay
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say your address one more time I'm having a hard time hearing you worried and the phone number you're calling from
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no one my house and repeat the phone number for verification okay do you know who this person is no I thought there's
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an intruder in the house you don't know who they are no I don't and let me talk to you looking for it from wearing socks
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I'm worried about my baby please hurry are you at the location now yes I am where weapons involved are
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mentioned they're not talking or spotting on this toilet elite so I can hear them good evening so you haven't
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seen them you can just hear them yes are you or anyone else in immediate danger I believe so
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okay are you able to get yourself to safety um I just want to answer that one acute here I'm sorry what
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No can you talk freely with me yeah okay where exactly are you already the back bedroom good
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ah enter the building there's only one door hold on website okay where the possible
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exits from the building there's only one get out is there anyone else in the building who belongs there
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yes apartment I'm sorry what yeah there's six people take apartment okay there but anybody else in your apartment
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that should be there I believe she's here I remain where she at yes okay I'm just
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gonna stay on the line with you until officers get there okay just let me know if anything changes
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what is your last name flower and your first name Kayla it's what - one can you still hear them yeah where
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does it sound like there at the front room this small place shut up are they singing
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yeah I heard some of the hate going there so there's obviously two of them Carol off the door keeping out of there
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come here yeah we might as well okay what's going on now hey okay they left babe left now
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yeah so I'm just looking to you if anything's been taken so I won't open the door I heard them comment so I know
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that this hour they went at all no don't don't you that LC circuit so close to Las Vegas how to hear something because
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when I I took the dog out as four people talking there was people last night like
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sitting outside the window and so they're like we're scoping it out or something
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nobody knows about okay not like the fake e4i Tateishi yes nobody knows about it
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optical well I took it out like I had on my person wears on someone open the door
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and there's actually like like no no Rachel like people being get out there all the time and here's the thing this
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state is fate I mean and then that why is taking them so long well I kind of signed up so I heard like
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two people talking all right is the offensive flow what was that is the officer quo I'm not
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sure where they're coming from but on the way I devoted for me from you I think you want and that you want on them
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call that was made this is from Kalin cellphone and the call came in at 818 a.m. during this call she is locked in
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her bedroom so the people that she thinks that she thinks that are in her condo they would be in the other room in
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the front room as she's explaining to the dispatcher right but I I would argue that she has our door open her bedroom
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door open I think what we have here so this kid this call is quite confusing for many reasons okay first of all we
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have Kaelyn on the phone she's talking to the 911 dispatcher and then at some point she is yelling at the people that
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she thinks are in her condo the intruder or intruders right but then she also starts having a conversation with her
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roommate who was home during this whole event right but she was in our room right so I think what we have here is I
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don't know the layout of this condo other than the way that it's described or hearing the way they talk about it in
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this call but it sounds to me like you you would have at least a main room a front room that that goes right to the
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entrance okay and then Kalin's in her bedroom her roommate is in I guessing in her bedroom right in a set in a separate
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bedroom that is next door to Kalin's and you hear them discussing a bathroom at some point or a restroom at some point
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and so there's a third room which is that the the restroom so I'm guessing we don't have any visuals here so I'm just
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guessing that at the beginning of the call Kaelyn might be locked in her room thinking that the intruders are in the
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front room she's called 9-1-1 and at some point when her roommate realizes what's going on they're either talking
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the door or Kalin's door is opened at some point and there they're talking face-to-face
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yeah and multiple times during the call you can hear somebody other than Kalin it's not clear if that's the roommate
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behind her bedroom door laughing or making the noise or saying something or is it coming from the front room mm-hmm
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again we don't have any visuals but it sounds as if her roommate comes out of her room mm-hmm and then they start
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having a conversation well if those noises weren't her then obviously those are noises coming from some bay from the
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front room mm-hmm well and to add to the confusion here it sounds to me as if when she's talking to the roommate or
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yelling at the believed intruders at times she might even be pulling her phone away from from her as she's doing
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so right and our case is Kailen louder well her roommates name is Carol so sometimes when they're interacting with
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each other it's hard to decipher if someone's saying Kalyn or Carol yeah we try to clean up this audio as much as we
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could but the nine one one dispatcher he's clear but on there and they're a little muffled yeah and he's having
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trouble understanding what's going what's going on with the situation or the reception itself or both at one
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point when the roommates coming out of her room you also hear a little bit more commotion so is it just the commotion
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from the roommate coming out of her room or is there commotion from the front room and the roommate because right
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after that commotion she says I think they left yeah my first impression of this call and Kalyn that we hear there
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is she sounds afraid to me you know that that's very clear and very obvious so whatever is either going on or whatever
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she thinks is going on she's afraid and so I think we we should point that part out now there there are
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some different interesting things within this call one being you know she is communicating
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with who she believes has broken into her home saying telling the operator they're stealing [ __ ] from my house
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yelling at the intruder get the F out of my house and then at some point you hear
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the roommate come in and say look there's there's not an intruder mm-hmm Kalin tells the roommate don't do that
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Carol I don't know what that means I don't know if she's opening attempting to open up a door at that point right
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right but then Carol points out to Kalin the bolts are locked it's impossible meaning
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it's impossible that there was an intruder nobody's come in to which Kalin responds they must have a key or
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something yeah which is strange but at the same time it's like I don't know the distance from that room where there's
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where they're at or did they move to the front room to see clearly because sometimes you can go into a room and at
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a glance you think that that the deadbolt is locked mm-hm and then once you get closer yo
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nah that's not locked well is it a mistake on the roommates part and then by having her having a
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mistake that people start going well we don't know if Kalin was of her right mind yeah yeah and our friend John
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Lordan from brain scratch yeah she cool pins that's right he you know when he listens to these
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calls and I'm going from his show information he gives his opinion and he points out some interesting things he
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says look if if Kalin is in her room and her roommate is home mm-hmm he says I don't know why she doesn't assume that
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the noises she's hearing are either coming from the roommate maybe the roommates watching TV or an action film
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or listening to the radio anything you know other than first jumping to the thought that there's an intruder right
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but that's where to me if you lived in any of these small apartments if you're in your room and your doors locked you'd
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have a hard time distinguishing what's coming from the main room or somebody else's bedroom but if your bedroom door
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is open then you're going okay I can clearly hear what's coming from her bedroom and whatever sounds I'm
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hearing in the front room are not the sounds that I'm hearing coming from my my roommates room yeah and I don't know
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the the layout of their condo with inside their condo but I do know the layout of the condo complex and I can
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say this they are sharing walls with neighbors so right and so you know anybody that's lived in an apartment or
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a dorm or condo you know that you it's not tough to to hear your neighbors from time to time yes there's that Mitch
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Hedberg bit where he says he'd blast his music in his neighborhood always come knocking on his wall to tell him to turn
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down and he'd always go up to the wall and go go around there's no door on my side well the other thing too is when
00:38:07
she's yelling at the intruders one thing that I found interesting and I know we all behave differently in a panic
00:38:14
situation mm-hmm but at no time does she say like hey I'm on the phone with the police or you
00:38:20
better get out of here I'm calling the cops you know well she does they get out of
00:38:24
my house that's true that's true right yeah but you're right she should be gone if if you would threaten hey I'm
00:38:31
gonna call the cops I'm on the phone with the cops hmm but she's not trying to be quiet about
00:38:37
being on the phone with 911 no it's not like she's whispering huddled in her closet or in a corner somewhere I think
00:38:43
she has her bedroom door open and I think she's looking down the hallway or whatever and I and I think what's
00:38:52
strange to me is the shut up mm-hmm the shut up it's like are they laughing you know well there's a laugh in there yeah
00:39:02
let's play that play the laugh real quick can you still hear them yeah if you listen closely in between they're
00:39:09
talking you'll kind of hear hahahahahaha mm-hmm let's play it one more time can you still hear them yeah so that's
00:39:17
clearly something a laughter but it could be from a television it could be coming from her roommates room or it
00:39:27
could be coming from the front room the way I take this might you know just trying to make logic of it I wonder if
00:39:35
that's the roommate laughing like oh here we go again you know she's calling the police and
00:39:42
there's clearly nobody here like not laughing at Cailin but laughing at the situation because it's you know it's you
00:39:51
know no I understand that but when we first started diving into this case and you start seeing stuff on reddit that
00:40:00
maybe something was going on with Caitlin mentally I don't hear it in our voice no and I don't hear somebody
00:40:10
that's not coherent there's not one time that she's asked a question that she doesn't answer right
00:40:16
she's she's pretty clear with her answers now the operator seems to have some trouble either understanding her or
00:40:24
maybe this is some kind of smart way of clarifying right you know because he knows that he's sending officers into a
00:40:34
situation into which the call comes in there's intruders in her home she reports that they probably have weapons
00:40:42
they have guns and that she feels that she her life or she's in some type of physical danger right but again he's
00:40:51
gone okay whew where's the entrance hmm you know or how many entrances are there
00:40:56
are there exit you know are there exit points yeah and then he talks about well are there other people there well yeah
00:41:05
the roommate but at some point she goes there's six apartments meaning there's six units and again this
00:41:13
is not her making a statement that's out of nowhere so I I don't see well and we're in regards to the entrance or
00:41:22
other exits she this is very specific she says there is only one and it's on the west side right and
00:41:29
and now I am and we gotta go based off evidence so it's just so strange to me that we don't have the first two nine
00:41:36
one one cause right Joe quarts of what more discussed during those is it very possible that there's some people
00:41:46
messing with her she's going outside you know some teenagers maybe or young twenty some year olds that are messing
00:41:56
with her and they decided to open up the door and and sit down on their her couch
00:42:01
and maybe the TV's on you know you know if somebody is somebody messing with her
00:42:07
because also when she starts talking to the roommate its its muffled so we can't
00:42:12
actually hear what the roommates saying but at the same time she's going well it's impossible and and then the
00:42:20
roommate says well what about the other key like you know like a key that was hidden outside or something right
00:42:25
there's that point so if the roommate which nobody is saying is having some mental break is trying to come up with
00:42:34
some logical reasons then maybe you know Kailen is actually calling for a purpose
00:42:41
well we should point out that the police did arrive later at the condo and their
00:42:46
report was that they found no evidence of a break-in well let me play the clip again of where
00:42:52
the roommate sounds like she's coming out of the room and you can hear Kaylin say I think they just left or maybe they
00:42:59
just left [Music] Carol off door and sleeping on there but here ya see my block okay what's going on now
00:43:25
hello okay they left babe left now yeah so I'm just looking to you if anything's
00:43:38
been taken all right so to explain that the best way I can there is some kind of
00:43:43
noise doors opening or closing it definitely sounds like the roommate but I can't be for sure that it's just the
00:43:50
roommate and not the main door to their place right and so she yells at some point I think the door opening startled
00:44:00
her maybe it's the roommate again maybe it's a combination of both but right after
00:44:05
she says lock your door or something like that and then at some point as she's still talking to her roommate she
00:44:14
says come here to the roommate mm-hmm and then the roommate goes there so again if this person is acting out of
00:44:23
their mind quote-unquote then why would you be going into the room why would you
00:44:28
be listening to her and then she's going I think they left I heard a noise I think they're gone now I see my roommate
00:44:38
mm-hm and then the cop says hey what's going on and she goes I think they left what are you doing now I'm gonna go
00:44:47
check to see if they took anything now I don't know about you but if I called the
00:44:53
cops and that's that's how this conversation would go down right well in and then I hear her say they might as
00:45:03
well so I think too that she might be being asked by the roommate if the if the cops do we still need the cops or
00:45:12
are they still on their way and I think she's responding well they might as well
00:45:16
you know they're all cuz she knows according to what she's been told by the dispatcher that they're already in route
00:45:22
right and then the call drops off after someone rings the doorbell right which we could assume is the cops could be the
00:45:30
cops and so then the the call ends there okay guys the cops are here I do want to
00:45:35
point this out I don't think from what I hear that there was an intruder and I also
00:45:42
think that possibly but that doesn't mean that somebody's going out of their mind because no because if you have
00:45:50
noises coming from the roommate you have maybe some noises coming outside right from outside plus you have your
00:46:01
apartments connected to another apartment so you have noises coming from there is it possible that she went to go
00:46:08
out of a room something kind of startled her and then when she stopped to listen
00:46:15
for a while there was noises that she couldn't explain mm-hmm and then she called the cops hey I think somebody's
00:46:23
in my house right and then the cops come and they say there's nobody in the house how many
00:46:30
how many times do you think they get calls every month of you know I could hear crash in my garage that this
00:46:37
happened to me one night I hear crash in my garage it's like 11:30 at night and I
00:46:43
and there was kids going around the neighborhood or maybe they weren't kids at night when there was garage doors
00:46:50
open they were going in and just grabbing whatever and taken off mhm and so I hear this crash in my garage and
00:46:57
it's 11:30 at night and I pause and think should I call the cops so my first thought was let me open up the door
00:47:06
right so I opened up the door turning on the light well guess what the garage door was closed and something just fell
00:47:13
over but it would have been unreasonable if I would have called the cops right and then they show up and they and they
00:47:20
and they determined that nobody broke into my house oh wow well like I was saying I I don't think from what I can
00:47:28
hear there I would I wouldn't say that there were intruders into the condo however this thing in the these are
00:47:39
other people's words that I found online people commenting and posting comments regarding this situation where people
00:47:46
say well she's clearly crazy she's clearly delusional out of her mind to remind everybody that post something
00:47:53
like that this young woman is only out of her mind if there's no one there we don't we can't say for certain that
00:48:01
there was no one there from what I hear it doesn't sound like there was anyone there but what I don't like about this
00:48:07
situation is at no point at no time could I find the roommate who was clearly there commenting regarding this
00:48:17
situation clearing up what what may or may not have been going on right the family is very upfront very up you know
00:48:26
forward with leading the search and looking for their daughter and their sister and they are in the press they
00:48:32
are commenting they are doing interviews and I understand that doesn't work for everybody but somebody the one person
00:48:38
that that is still available that could clear up what could have been going on on Friday night as well as what could
00:48:45
have been going on Saturday morning I couldn't find any at any point that they ever gave a statement yeah but no
00:48:55
everything he said there was great but you have a family saying we talked to her she didn't seem like she was off her
00:49:05
rocker right right then her mother her mother spoke to her so so I'll take you through
00:49:10
that scenario real quick yeah okay so her mother Kalin's mother Suzanne louder says that
00:49:17
she spoke to Kailyn on this same day that Kaylin sounded normal to her and from what I found Kaylin checked in
00:49:24
often almost daily with her family and I think that was most the time with her mother so if anyone is going to be aware
00:49:31
that something was wrong just by going by Kaylin stone or Kalin's voice I'm very confident her mother would be able
00:49:39
to decipher that just from a phone conversation but to be clear I don't have the time of that phone call from
00:49:47
her mother to Kalyn but her mother does state that it was the morning of the disappearance which
00:49:54
was that 9-1-1 call was the morning as well right but do we have a comment from the mother saying hey I've listened to
00:50:02
this 911 call and this that's my daughter and and it doesn't sound odd to me because
00:50:08
it doesn't see it sound odd to me mm-hmm you know again there might not be somebody in the apartment but is that
00:50:15
just a mistake that she made I believe the the family's statement regarding this 9-1-1 call and the surveillance
00:50:23
footage which we will get to is that that maybe some of it seems strange but not all of it seems strange and I think
00:50:32
I think what comes up most of the time in in the media was the surveillance footage so they may simply be responding
00:50:40
to that the problem is their daughter is missing and when she is missing there's
00:50:47
so many people in the public and it's saying they're not responding well to it the citizens the public is not
00:50:54
responding well to this missing woman because the public's perception by some were oh this person this person lost it
00:51:03
she's delusional delusional and she either ran away or harmed herself so therefore the the the alert level is not
00:51:12
of great concern as far as the public goes and when you're her family who need to find their daughter all you have is
00:51:21
the public's help you're crying out to the public help us find our daughter and and one thing that I love that they they
00:51:28
stood by and kept reiterating you hear in that clip that we played for the trailer the news clip where the mother
00:51:35
almost goes out of the way to say our college graduate daughter right and I think the and then she goes on to
00:51:41
describe her personality a little bit I think that that was very smart on the family's behalf because I think at that
00:51:49
time what's going on is they're saying you know what we desperately need the help of the public to help find our
00:51:56
daughter while they pray and read a lot of books you know and we need them to see her as as a person as a real-life
00:52:05
living breathing human being with feelings that's just as normal as everybody else out there and I think
00:52:12
that's their way of pushing past hey it doesn't matter whatever you think is going on in these
00:52:19
on these 9-1-1 calls but on the surveillance footage this person still missing finding her is the goal not so
00:52:27
much figuring out what's going on right so listening to this tape I mean your gut feeling is there's not somebody
00:52:35
there that's fine I could I could agree with that on some level I don't think there's any solid proof that we hear
00:52:44
somebody else I mean there's the times that we even hear laughter it's again you could just say it was the roommate
00:52:50
that would make logical sense but what's your gut feeling on her mind state at this point um that's difficult that's
00:53:01
very difficult because like I said it's only this is only the delusional if there was in fact no one there and I I
00:53:08
don't ya think that there was someone there but but regarding her words and her answers to the dispatcher and how
00:53:16
she responds to questions mm-hmm she doesn't sound delusional to me yeah it's also difficult to because obviously we
00:53:24
didn't personally know her so we don't know anything of her we don't have like speeches of hers to go over to determine
00:53:36
how she was normally so but again I'm going to go with the family if they're saying we talked to her and we listened
00:53:44
to this tape and we don't think that she sounds like she lost it I'm gonna go with their thought now on to the
00:53:53
surveillance camera footage this is from the parking lot of her condominium complex this shows her leaving her condo
00:54:01
and this footage is from Saturday September 27th I have a report that states one video is from 3:30 p.m. and
00:54:09
one video is from 5:45 p.m. most reports stating that Kalyn is last seen on surveillance video around 7:00 p.m. so I
00:54:19
just want to go into it like that because that's the information that is out there there are six videos that were
00:54:25
made public and we found all six of them on ksl news on their website and we'll put a link on our website
00:54:33
true-crime garage comm so you can follow that as we talk about it so on video one the the first video I
00:54:41
want to point out that the rain is not as heavy in this video clearly not heavy rain a lot of the news articles state
00:54:50
that there was heavy rain that day thunderstorms torrential downpours that's not what's going on in this first
00:54:58
clip the first video I see little to actually no rain at all possibly a Kalyan is seen in jean shorts and a tank
00:55:08
top with no shoes on I do want to point out the red car that is on the left side
00:55:13
of the screen just make a mental note of that car as we're going through these different videos now on to video two
00:55:21
this one is the one of Kalyan running this is kind of the the quote-unquote famous one will say a lot of online
00:55:29
commenters comment or say that she appears to be running from something in this video however I see more of a jog
00:55:37
rather than a dead sprint I actually think she appears to possibly be running toward something rather than away from
00:55:44
something I believe that that she is also kind of watching her step yes she appears to be watching her step as she
00:55:54
runs so more concerned about the possibility of stepping on something sharp rather than whatever people posters
00:56:02
commenters say could be chasing her and then too she appears to be checking for uncoming for oncoming traffic as she's
00:56:10
running out into the parking lot so again not someone that is terrified of whatever she is running from I believe
00:56:18
you know here we have these actions that she's not actually running from anything
00:56:25
regardless if we can see it or not I don't believe she's running from something there appears to be something
00:56:32
in her left hand as she's running it took me a few times of watching it to to see something and maybe I'm just seeing
00:56:39
something that's not there but it appears to me that there's something in her hand now this could be possibly a
00:56:46
white cell phone it could be keys I don't know what it is but that kind of goes back to my
00:56:53
point of I feel like she's running to something you know like like you don't put on your shoes every time if you're
00:56:59
just gonna run outside real quick and hand something off to the driver of a car or if you're running next door to
00:57:06
deliver something to you know a neighbor at some point yeah or maybe it has something to do with her dog but we have
00:57:14
this moon car that's in the first video not in the second video and also it shows up again magically in the third
00:57:22
video mm-hmm well in video three this is the one where Kailyn is talking some say that
00:57:29
she is talking to herself and I believe police even stated that in their comments regarding this footage that
00:57:38
look sorry but she's clearly talking to her dog Phyllis Phyllis is a small black
00:57:46
pug yeah and her dog is outside with her everyone that I know talks to their pets
00:57:53
and she's proud of the white it's a white bag to pick up the poop well at this point it's clearly a white bag but
00:58:01
the reason why I suggested possibly other items for video too is only because we have a list of items that
00:58:09
were said we're left behind and I can't clearly decipher that that's a bagging video to where you can in video three
00:58:16
and so what I think we have here is some people they like to spin a nice yarn right and it's a better story if she's
00:58:25
out in the parking lot talking to herself but I'm sorry people that's not what's going on she's talking to her dog
00:58:31
very likely trying to encourage her dog to go to the restroom because it's it's sprinkling outside there's a light rain
00:58:39
at this time I what's the command it's normally make right make possibly yeah but I do want to point out as you
00:58:49
pointed out captain everybody note that the red car is back again on the left side of the screen
00:58:55
right and then on the fourth video it's gone I can but there is a white bag there's a
00:59:03
grocery bag that's on the right-hand side that is now there so that bag is lying on the the pavement right but
00:59:11
that's not the one she's holding you can still see her holding a bag yeah and I actually think if if you go back and
00:59:18
look at video one tour maybe it would be you and three I think it might already be there man these they don't listen to
00:59:27
our show don't let her people so video for this video most point out that Kalin is looking around quite a bit
00:59:36
and some people of course their imagination starts to wander and they go well she she's probably looking around
00:59:43
for something that either she thinks is there or that somebody's chasing her but
00:59:47
again using logic here I think what we have is a situation where she's now back outside with the dog and she's probably
00:59:57
put the dog down in the grassy area that's that's just behind her she's on the pavement I think she's put the dog
01:00:05
down and with her looking around it could be she's either looking for other animals if any but neighbors are walking
01:00:11
around or looking around to make sure that her dog went to the restroom so they can go back in at this point it
01:00:21
does appear to me that it's raining or I'm sorry does not appear to me to be raining in this video so a break in the
01:00:30
rain this would be a good opportunity to take the dog outside and it as you pointed out captain she is holding a
01:00:37
small white plastic bag in her right hand at that time so again I think that any of her actions and movements in this
01:00:45
video are in regards to her dog Phyllis yeah what a what a great name for a pug right mm-hmm
01:00:52
no I agree with you I think she is talking to the dog and I think the dog was out there in the first video that we
01:00:59
just didn't see and she possibly ran not away from anything because it looks like
01:01:05
she had her like run to go get something almost like oh crap I forgot a bag right
01:01:10
or I forgot whatever right so she runs back comes back the dogs there all right make make do your
01:01:20
business and we see that maroon car but then the last footage we don't the last video she's not in the video but we do
01:01:30
see a red car that goes through ok well so but video 5 huh we need to get to first so this video number 5 is quite
01:01:39
different and there is some confusion on regarding what is in this video but what
01:01:45
I believe it's showing is Kalin's roommate not Kaelyn I believe we see Kalin's roommate she walks out of that
01:01:54
same area that Kaelyn had walked out of now note the blue car to the right of the roommate as she is walking out to
01:02:02
the parking lot and then over to the garages so what you can't see from from this video is the layout of the condos
01:02:10
so you have the condos then you have that giant boulder rock looking thing my understanding is that it was it's
01:02:19
basically a mound of dirt that they poured concrete over right okay so Kaelyn has brought her dog out
01:02:27
to to that area to make the make the business and then you have the parking lot area where you see the parked cars
01:02:36
and some of the videos you see a red car to the left and then what the camera is
01:02:42
attached to is the rooftop of a series of garages and there's a whole bunch of them and they're single car garages from
01:02:51
my understanding so you're getting it from the viewpoint of above that garage so with the roommate in video 5 walking
01:02:59
out she's walked out of the condo and now she's walked past a blue car that's to her right and she's looking is she
01:03:07
seems to be paying attention to that blue car for some reason maybe it's of no importance at all and then she walks
01:03:13
over into one of the garages then on video 6 this shows a red car driving slowly
01:03:21
note that the car is driving slowly near the blue car once again that we referenced earlier again this could be
01:03:28
driver paying close attention to the blue car then the car appears to be pulling into one of the garages and note
01:03:35
this would be a garage that seems to be in a similar location if not the exact same location as to where I said the
01:03:44
roommate appears to be walking into so what I think you know because people there's no sound so some people have
01:03:50
raised question well why why even bother show us this but it I believe we're seeing the roommate walking out to their
01:03:57
garage and then you're seeing her return in her red car later yeah again it's it's hard to know without knowing the
01:04:04
layout of the land too much but we're gonna put that link on our website and on our blog please give us your thoughts
01:04:13
on these videos are very short mm-hmm video clips and I have some notes regarding the footage as a whole when
01:04:21
you you know you put them all together as one big movie let's say now I said to you captain on the phone last week that
01:04:27
I believe that these are cameras that once they detect motion or movement that they then record what they see until
01:04:35
they no longer detect motion after watching the videos many times I now think differently I think that these are
01:04:41
always recording and that we're just seeing snippets that at some point before they release the this footage to
01:04:48
the public that they just cut it at different points for whatever reason it could be just arbitrary who knows but
01:04:55
could just be motion sensor to because it seems like a lot of these videos it's there's motion in there mmm you know the
01:05:04
roommate walking or the car so yeah I I just I think with my with my background what I'm seeing here is cameras that are
01:05:12
recording all the time I also think that these cameras were probably not installed with the purpose of watching
01:05:21
individuals coming and going from that walkway area but the main purpose sole purpose of protecting the cars in the
01:05:28
parking lot and the garages that are there as well also remember that blue car I pointed out I wonder if this could
01:05:37
be Kaylin's car the the blue car is present and parked in that same every time we see Kalyan in fact the
01:05:44
blue car is there for all six videos mm-hmm but I do want to point out to some some things we don't have time
01:05:53
stamps or at least the videos I watch didn't have them so they don't we don't know at what time each of these videos
01:06:02
is made or taking place or even the actual order of the videos other than the assumption that they are in the
01:06:10
order per the the news station ksl yeah but in these videos again I don't see any evidence of somebody losing their
01:06:21
mind or not coherent like all the actions that she makes I can make logical assumptions of why she's making
01:06:32
these actions well and that's where I fault some of the news stations and some of the coverage regarding this
01:06:38
disappearance is we have them saying she's she's talking to herself she appears to be interacting with someone
01:06:46
that's not there that's just that's just telling a tale it's just spinning a yarn
01:06:50
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