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[Music] crime all right where we left off here Captain we have Paul John null some have
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called him the Casanova killer who is on the run from police he escaped from his
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detention cell and he's been on the run ever since that was in Late July where we left off we were through the month of
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October and in early November nolles met British journalist Sandy fox in Atlanta
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Georgia eventually the two-p parted ways but nolles picked up an acquaintance of
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foxes this is Susan McKenzie and demanded sex from her at gunpoint she escaped and notified police
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of this attack on November 14th Paul John nolles was in West Palm Beach Florida and the police were on to him in
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fact he was stopped by an officer however nolles pointed a shotgun at the officer the officer Dove behind his
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police vehicle and N sped off by now he needed to ditch the Chevy Impala as the vehicle description was
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what prompted the officer to stop nolles we have this woman Susan McKenzie who thankfully gets away from nolles tells
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police about the attack gives a description of nolles she very likely even knew his name at that time but more
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importantly gives police the vehicle description possibly knows his name or possibly one of his his aliases he went
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by Lester Daryl Gates or Daryl golden that's interesting and that's a good point there too Captain because this
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Susan McKenzie as we said was an acquaintance of Sandy Fox and Sandy fox has always said that nolles introduced
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himself to her as Daryl golden the key here is we but hold on a second you get to pick a name and that's
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what you're picking my name is Daryl golden yeah I mean I don't know um I don't know why he came up with that name
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it doesn't appear that he has a victim out there that he would have had credit cards belonging to that name or anything
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that would help him along his way um it might be like a literary term or name that we don't know uh be be interesting
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if anybody had some further thoughts on that but what we have here is that noes has to get rid of this Chevy Impala
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because that is what is stopping him from fleeing the area he's going to keep running into trouble with the police if
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he continues to drive this vehicle around what he does desperate for another vehicle to flee the area nolles
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breaks into the home of 31-year-old Barbara Tucker there were three people in the house at the time that he broke
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in he ties two of them up and then he kidnaps Barbara Tucker at gunpoint he robs the house and he drives off with
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her and her volswagen right but here's what the problem with these spree killers are is because they're killing
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to get to their next location or to keep running they have to keep leaving evidence behind so now he has a new
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vehicle and new victims but he's leaving the old vehicle behind it's the old trail of
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breadcrumbs what happens here Captain is one of the people tied up that he left at the home eventually is able to free
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themselves they call in this abduction right this man broke into the home tied us up took one of us Barbara Tucker
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31-year-old Barbara Tucker took her vehicle police show up on the scene they're trying to figure everything out
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one of the first things that they notice is that Chevy Impala is parked near Barbara Tucker's
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Place this was William bates's Chevy Impala from Ohio right so the terrifying thing here is police aren't going into
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this going we don't know what happened they're going holy [ __ ] we know what happened we know who's responsible for
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this this is a very dangerous man there's a killer on the road and we know that because he keeps dumping these
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homicide victims or missing persons victims Vehicles along the way when he snatches somebody else and takes their
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vehicle right so they know what he's capable of and I'm and I'm sure like you said these these devastating
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crime scenes where it looks like an animal went through or a man possessed I'm sure those rumors are getting around
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to law enforcement so not only is he a dangerous man but this guy could turn into a psycho pretty quickly the other
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thing too is he's not he doesn't appear to be afraid of law enforcement we know that even at a young age he abducted an
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officer at gunpoint we know he escaped from a jail cell after he was picked up on a you know getting in that bar fight
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and then we have the situation where he is pulled over the officer doesn't really know who he's dealing with but
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before he can figure it out nolles pulls a shotgun on him and the officer was so
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terrified had to jump behind their vehicle so this guy is not only dangerous to the public but he's
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dangerous to the men and women who are trying to apprehend him yeah and sometimes when you see images of these
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individuals that you can tell they look dangerous in the case of somebody like Ted Bundy not so much and in the case
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you know here PJ nlls the casting of a killer I wouldn't look at his picture and think this guy is a raging
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psychopath I I would go this guy looks laidback almost Hollywood like well now with a new hostage and a new vehicle he
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drives to a hotel in Fort Pierce Florida and rented a room for two nights at the
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Skyway Motel under the names Mr and Mrs James Smith the next night nolles saw Barbara Tucker's picture on the news the
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the woman he took hostage right he sees her picture on the 11:00 news with details about the
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kidnapping this prompts nolles to tie up Tucker and then flee the area lucky for
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her because we know he's left a trail of blood behind him who knows what would have happened had
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he not been forced to leave and get out of there quickly or like his one victim where he tied up but didn't in I guess
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intentionally murder but ended up dying from being tied up and gagged it wasn't until the next morning that Tucker was
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able to free herself this was around 7 a.m. and she called the police 1 hour later okay we're on November 16th right
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now so 1 hour after bar Tucker calls police at 7:00 a.m. from that Motel highway patrolman Charles Campbell
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stopped the stolen Volkswagen and pulled it over the Burley Trooper unstrapped his gun but did not take it out of the
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holster as the trooper approached the car nolles aimed a shotgun at him telling him to freeze nolles took the
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Troopers weapon and put the officer in the patrol car nolles jumped in the driver's seat and drove drove off with
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the officer now his new hostage nolles knew because he was on the run and because of the Abduction of Barbara
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Tucker the traffic stop would have been called in and soon they would find the abandoned Volkswagen and no officer
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Campbell right right so officer Campbell pulls this guy over called it in he knows it's only a matter of time before
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backup and everybody else is on their way well but what we know and what law enforcement doesn't know is this guy is
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totally fine with going down in a blaze of glory yeah well the other difficult thing too difficult for nolles is he
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can't really drive around in this patrol car and go unnoticed why not as long as he doesn't turn on the
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sirens he should be good well he's going to do the exact opposite of that to he's
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going to turn on the sirens yeah he flips on the car's lights in the siren and he makes a traffic stop of his own
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oh he pulled over a blue Torino driving the vehicle was 29-year-old businessman James Meyer no's handcuffed officer
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Campbell and Meyer together in the backseat of the Torino and drives off in this new vehicle
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now this time leaving the patrol car abandoned on the side of the road one thing that's terrifying about this
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situation is that there were several eyewitnesses he just did this in in Broad daylight in front of a whole bunch
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of other cars yeah it's like again it's that transformation into complete utter psycho it's the downward spiral and what
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happens here I mean think about this if you're just a motorist on the road you notice when when a car when a when a
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police vehicle or state trooper pulls somebody over it just it goes notice because your first thought is there's
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the lights oh I hope they're not pulling me over oh good it's that guy right and
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then all of a sudden you're paying attention and what's going on you see a man a plain closed man with long red
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hair get out he takes the driver of that Torino hostage and who does he handcuff
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him to a State Trooper a uniformed officer places them in the back of the civilian car and then drives off well
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two more hostages yeah this time leaving the patrol car abandoned on the side of
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the road nolles eventually turned onto a dirt road this is about 20 mi south of mon Georgia
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there he pulled the two hostages out from the back seat and at gunpoint he walked them deep into the woods he sat
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them down at a tree which he selected at random and he shot each of them at very
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close range in the back of the head sadly James Meyer was just 29 years old and he was returning home to his family
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in Delaware from a Florida business trip he was killed and then hero a hero just
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doing his his everyday job to Serve and Protect Trooper Charles Eugene Campbell of the Florida State Patrol was killed
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as well End of Watch November 16th 1974 the two captives were shot in an act of Senseless cowardice coldblooded
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murder with officer Campbell's service weapon nolles once again took off police all over the area were setting up
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roadblocks about 24 hours later nolles attempted to crash through one of these roadblocks but when doing so he crashed
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into a tree he jumped out of the vehicle firing shots at the officers and the officers returned fire as nolles fled on
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foot one of the officers however managed to shoot nolles in the leg but regardless nolles Got Away bloodied
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nolles ran from police deeper and deeper into the woods well at least they hit him because I think that's at least at
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least if you can hit him on some level that he's injured he's going to have to get help at some point well and luckily
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he didn't end up shooting any of these officers right while he's running from the area eventually nolles was cornered
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this was the following day by 27-year-old former Vietnam War veteran and Hospital maintenance worker David
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Clark he's armed with the shotgun and he was there's a couple different stories for this and I always find this
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interesting especially when you go back to these older news stories I mean we're
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we're sitting here talking about stories from 1974 right when something later becomes
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headline news none of these previous stories were headline news it's always interesting to me how then later you get
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a couple different versions come out and you don't know if maybe they're putting
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a little lipstick on the pig dress in the story up a little bit making it sound a little more theatrical a little
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more Hollywood but the the two stories that vary here Captain is one that this man was uh David Clark that he was out
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hunting and he came across noes and recognized him and understood hey I got to take this guy in the other story is
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that um that he stumbled onto a a nearby Farm somebody else's farm and this David
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Clark came across him regardless of what the story is the one that I tend to believe and I'm going to
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roll with here because I think it would make for for a better part in our little
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garage story that we're telling here David Clark comes across noes and for whatever reason noes gives up which is
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something we've not seen him do yet but this David Clark manages to get him under control and walks him to the
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nearest home that he could find this is not going to be a short walk either because according to most of the stories
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nolles is out in the middle of the woods somewhere again well that's why I go back to the injury how bad is that leg
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injured I don't know because it seems like nolles was making pretty good time that he that he was making a pretty good
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pace for himself along the way because what we would later be told the short of it is Clark takes him to this this
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nearby house where a phone call is made to the police and eventually nolles is apprehended by police in that manner
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they state that nolles was outside of the perimeter established for The Manhunt and it would be very likely that
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nolles would have escaped and that he would have been on the run after this yeah but he still has a
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bull it were not for the actions of the uh the uh local citizens there I don't know for certain if there was a bullet
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in his leg I mean you could get you can get grazed uh I don't have a description
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a good description of the injury suffered by noes but but based off of everything we
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know that he did along the way you hope he was hurting as bad as possible well yeah and and it's I think
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um surprising they know that this guy they know noes is one a fugitive but on top
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of that we know he is a he killed two men MH for and one is a police officer so the fact
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that they didn't just instead of picking him up they just didn't put one in his head right away Judge Jerry
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dun yeah so we're going to have nolles sitting in a jail cell for about a month okay this guy now is big news he's
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headlines now because now we have this guy that was on the Run fugitive On The Run we know he's killed several people
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along the way when when they were bringing him in there were people lining up on the sides of the streets who just
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wanted to get a look at this guy they wanted to see him transported from the vehicle into the
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jail well while he's sitting in jail we have Sheriff Earl Lee who says that he asked Paul John
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noes how many people he had killed while he was out on the run and noes said do you know how old I was when Society put
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me in prison Lee says I'm guessing you were 17 or 18 and noes replies 18 and then he wrote the number 18 in the palm
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of his left hand and held it up to show the sheriff M nolles wrote the name of seven states Georgia Florida Ohio
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Connecticut Texas Virginia and Mississippi in which he claimed to have killed people when he was being held he
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was being charged with seven murders two in Florida one in Ohio and four in Georgia Sheriff Lee would go on to say
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that he believed that that was noll's way of telling him hey I killed 18 people by writing that on the palm of
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his hand and asking the question do you know how old I was when Society decided to lock me up
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cheers to you captain on December 18th 1974 Sheriff Earl Lee and Georgia Bureau of Investigations agent Ronnie Angel
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were tra traving down Interstate 20 with Paul John nolles nolles is wearing leg irons and handcuffs he's in the back
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seat Sheriff Lee is driving and agent Angel is sitting shotgun their destination was Henry County Georgia
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where nolles said he had dumped the handgun that he took off of Florida State Trooper Charles Campbell the gun
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he used to kill both Campbell and the civilian Meers remember he killed both of them in Cold
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Blood right somehow nolles managed to pick the lock while sitting in the back seat of
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this police car he managed to pick the lock and slip out of the handcuffs freeing his right hand immediately
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nolles went for Sheriff Le's revolver Lee is now wrestling with nolles trying desperately to not give up his gun and
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still trying to maintain the vehicle Lee's gun goes off Angel reacts almost immediately and
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fires three shots Angel put three 38 caliber bullets into Paul John nolles one hit his left temple one went into
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his chest and one entered his back and exited under his left armpit nolles died on the scene law enforcement of course
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never recovered the slain state troopers gun do you think this is possibly these
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off officers taking the Law into their own hands he killed an officer mhm and I think it'd be real simple we're going to
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transport him from one place to another place we're going to make sure it's pretty easy for him to get out of his
00:27:13
cuffs once he gets out of his cuffs we'll shoot him and we'll say he went for your gun done and done so if we are
00:27:21
to believe all the stories we're told out of Georgia with the with the situation of Paul John nolles is the way
00:27:30
that this story starts off is the three of them are traveling down the interstate because they're going to go
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and recover this gun that he used to kill two people along the way right one of them being an officer the thing is we
00:27:45
have nolles who's sitting in a cell and he's talking he's opening up it's not too difficult for law enforcement or
00:27:53
what would eventually be the prosecutors to put together a case against noes because you have a weird
00:28:01
situation where you have a paper trail that be it credit cards that were stolen from people that were killed cars that
00:28:08
were stolen from people that were killed and then dumped along the way you have a
00:28:12
paper trail a blood trail but they're really piecing everything together when they're sitting back and looking at it
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Captain they're going okay well we're charging him with seven murders in what was it three different states we suspect
00:28:25
that he probably killed in seven states so how many n how many victims does that
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put us at if we can get him to talk about anything let's find out everything he's
00:28:37
willing to tell us but we also have to verify what is the truth and what is a lie so if he's willing to take us to
00:28:44
this gun if we go to where he says and we find the gun that tells us he might be willing to tell us the truth and he
00:28:50
might be able to tell us a lot of truths along the way and we can figure out everything this guy has done well the
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only reason that he would cooperate anyways is to possibly take the death penalty off the table Yeah that would be
00:29:05
a possibility the other thing though too is keep in mind he I believe he never he
00:29:12
never said this directly that that I'm aware of or that we have on any type of record anywhere but I really believe
00:29:19
that he idolized people like Bonnie and Clyde and Charles Starkweather and people of that nature people that gained
00:29:28
Fame through their through their killings and through their uh battles with police and law enforcement and he
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wanted some type of notoriety for that be it Fame while he's still alive or notoriety after his death so he might
00:29:44
have been willing to talk anyway in that regard because he wants people to know what he did and he wants credit for it
00:29:52
well and also to that point chances of him knowing where this gun would be in a location that he wasn't familiar with
00:30:01
doesn't seem likely even if he is telling the truth or what he believes to be the yeah but his motive could have
00:30:06
been as simple as okay well let's go look for this gun I'm going to talk some trash to these officers I'm going to
00:30:13
eventually either wrestle myself free or cause a big enough of a scene that they're going to have to put me down
00:30:21
then people can romanticize me more just like I did Bonnie and Clyde and individuals like that that's a
00:30:28
possibility and and I'll get to my my thoughts here in just a second after pointing this out because we do have
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nolles his two attorneys there were two attorneys that held a press conference the day after nolles was shot to death
00:30:41
and they said that nolles was murdered by law enforcement they said that they belied that Georgia police intended to
00:30:47
kill Paul John nolles that it was a setup and an execution and that no should have been executed in prison
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after serving time on death row and not in the back of a sheriff's car bringing up the question is this in fact a
00:31:03
Justified killing or a setup for murder right I get it and right that that makes
00:31:09
for the good interesting Hollywood version of the story what I think there's a problem of here is that these
00:31:17
officers are human beings okay they are not bulletproof they are not something out of a DC Comic or a Marvel
00:31:27
superhero these people are men they're they're just like you and I and the thing
00:31:34
is what you have here is you're probably a little bit better than we are in in your
00:31:41
possession traveling with you alone on the highway is a man that you know has killed multiple people he's killed an
00:31:49
officer he's at least more than once abducted an officer at gunpoint he's flashed guns at law enforcement he's
00:31:58
escaped jail and and police many times what you run the risk here of saying all right well let's uh let's set
00:32:09
up a situation where we get a very very dangerous individual a homicidal maniac we're going to set up a situation where
00:32:19
we make it easy for him to slip out of his handcuffed and make a go for our one of our guns no I don't see
00:32:27
on that's not how you set it up you you shoot the son of a [ __ ] and then you take off one of his cuffs well agreed
00:32:37
agreed but the question that that I was asked and that that several else other people have pondered is did they set it
00:32:43
up in a way that nolles would have started to escape on his own that he wouldn't have been able
00:32:50
to he wouldn't be able to resist the opportunity of escaping if you're going to execute the guy because you want to
00:32:58
put him down because of what horrible human being he is and knowing that he killed a fellow officer you're exactly
00:33:04
right you drive him out in the middle of nowhere no Witnesses you pump him full of lead and then you make it look like
00:33:11
that he broke free and there was some kind of escape attempt what I really think happened here is very likely what
00:33:18
the story that's been presented we know he's an accomplished escape artist let's
00:33:24
say that right he's he has escaped police multiple times I think what has happened is that went down in that
00:33:31
manner and very quickly these officers are going this is not a time to decide whether it's right or wrong or what's
00:33:39
better for anybody five minutes from now we have to react to this very dangerous
00:33:45
man and the only way to react in the moment is to shoot him and I think that's what happened
00:33:51
here well but I think there's an easy way to get good officers good people to possibly go along with this hit being
00:34:02
look he's been locked up before and that never works cuz he gets out and he's been on the run for so long he's killed
00:34:08
all these people and by the way he killed an officer mhm and those two things okay we're going to take justice
00:34:14
and we're going to take the law into our own hands we're going to go out there kill this guy and and rid the world of
00:34:22
this evil crazy psychopath well and he is an example of somebody that is not look you can't lock
00:34:32
somebody like nolles up and then think that Society is safe just because this man's Behind Bars this man is dangerous
00:34:41
as long as he is breathing air I'm not saying again I think what they they say happened is exactly what happened I
00:34:49
think his past Behavior shows that he will make a run for it when he can I think he attempted to do so I think he
00:34:57
was willing to kill both officers in the process they reacted to the situation they put him down I think more so rather
00:35:06
than wanting the the the fame or any part of that I think this was a strategic move by
00:35:12
nolles let's get me out of These Bars let's get me in you know just with two officers instead of in a jail with a
00:35:21
whole bunch of them that will give me the best chance to escape well yeah cuz I think he manipulated the system yeah
00:35:29
yeah but I think you agree with me the chances of him knowing where this gun would be oh yeah I don't think he would
00:35:36
have found it right yeah so now we have a dead Paul nolles and remember we have those kill tapes what what what are
00:35:44
referred to as the kill tapes that's really just the confession that he made that he he gave these tapes to his
00:35:50
attorney right what happens here is the law enforcement through the court system
00:35:57
they confiscate these tapes because they need to use them for investigative purposes the attorneys wanted to keep
00:36:06
them make some kind of book or something out of them they wanted to follow through with noll's wishes but law
00:36:13
enforcement and the court systems like look this is evidence of crimes we we need this we need to take these and use
00:36:21
these for uh future reference probably and where we see this come to be is a cold case from
00:36:29
1974 so we had this little story Captain this is a cold case from 1974 with a missing
00:36:36
13-year-old the few details that I could find says this 13-year-old Emma Jean Sanders lived with her mother and her
00:36:44
4-year-old sister Emma was babysitting while Mom was at work the little 4-year-old got angry when she was told
00:36:53
to stay in the house and she watched her older sister em emene get into a van with a bunch of her friends Emma jeene
00:37:00
never returned over a year later a very badly decomposed body was found in a wooded
00:37:07
area near mon Georgia this is in 1976 by this point and these are skeletal remains found on in Peach County at the
00:37:18
time investigators all they had was they knew the remains were of a young white female
00:37:24
then fast forward 34 years later they get some DNA from Betty wisecup Who is Emma Jean's mother they do a comparison
00:37:37
and now they have a match so 34 years later 36 years after the child disappeared The Remains were identified
00:37:45
and eventually returned to Emma Jean's Mother after all this time they had some answers but not all of them then 2 years
00:37:55
after that and December of 2012 using information found in Paul John noll's confessions they were able to conclude
00:38:04
that Paul John nolles was the killer of emene nolles confession says in August of 1974 he picked up a young female
00:38:14
hitchhiker named Alma so he had the name a little wrong he took her to a wooded area outside of mon Georgia this is near
00:38:22
where her body was found almost 2 years later wow he said say he raped and strangled her and then left the body
00:38:29
there in another story this is from the Charlie project Charlie project.org if anybody wants to go there and do some
00:38:38
snooping around we have Lillian and mlet Anderson who have been missing since August 1st 1971 missing from
00:38:48
Jacksonville Florida both are classified as endangered missing their ages at the
00:38:53
time Lillian was 11 and Mallette was was just seven their distinguishing characteristics both are Caucasian
00:39:01
female Lillian goes by her middle name net and most accounts refer to her by that name they have both have medical
00:39:11
conditions Lilian suffers from a thyroid condition and requires daily medication
00:39:16
and mlet has asthma and a weak heart the details of The Disappearance are as follows Annette and her sister Mallette
00:39:24
disappeared from Jacksonville Florida on August 1st 1974 their mother left them home alone
00:39:31
at approximately 6:00 p.m. while she went to care for a sick relative the girl's father was supposed to return and
00:39:39
arrive home from work shortly after but he got delayed by an hour or so when he did finally get home the two girls were
00:39:46
nowhere to be found and the family dog which usually had the run of the house was locked up in a bedroom the girls
00:39:54
were never heard from again that year several young girls between the ages of 6 and 12 disappeared there was a handful
00:40:04
of them actually but because the abductions happened in different parts of the city authorities don't believe
00:40:11
that they are in fact related investigators theorize Annette and Mallette were killed by Paul John nolles
00:40:19
A Serial murderer who was killed by police later in 1974 and on the Charlie project page for
00:40:29
the two missing girls we have a photo of nolles that is featured there as well and we talked about the tape recordings
00:40:38
the kill tapes on these tapes nolles said he abducted two girls matching the general description of the Anderson
00:40:46
Sisters killed them and buried them in a remote area at the West End of Commonwealth Avenue so even though their
00:40:54
case their cases remains unsolved it's really believed that nolles is responsible for the
00:41:02
deaths of these two young girls as well again we have this individual don't judge a book by a cover because if I was
00:41:09
going to cast this guy in a movie Just based off appearance I'd go oh we got the cool quiet guy in the corner or
00:41:17
possibly the stoner hippie type that's what he looked like this guy is beyond vicious it's amazing that he's not
00:41:26
talked about more often well and I you know I said hey go check out those videos those online
00:41:33
YouTube videos of the detective that worked one of the double homicide cases in Georgia and he said the same thing
00:41:40
he's like you know we we have all these movies and all these books about Ted Bundy you got to keep in mind that area
00:41:48
of the country they're very hyperfocused on Ted Bundy because he went down to Florida and killed a bunch of girls but
00:41:56
he says nolles in in this detective's opinion he says was more vicious than Bundy and he was every bit as dangerous
00:42:07
we're talking about two individuals that are very similar in a lot of ways you know escaping running uh on the run from
00:42:15
police killing while they're on the run you know a lot of people when they're on
00:42:19
the run from police they try to lay low not these guys they're out killing people they're out making way
00:42:26
they're out leaving a trail of blood along the way I felt like R we do have several books that were written about
00:42:35
nolles over the years we have Sandy Fox's book Killing Time from 1977 I read that one that's a very good
00:42:43
one I didn't use it for this week's recommended reading just simply because it's very
00:42:50
hard to get your hands on a copy of it so it's like what good is it to recommend something that nobody can can
00:42:56
go out and read right she did a follow-up book to that called Natural Born Killer which really that's kind of
00:43:04
what nolles reminds me of you know we talked so much about Bonnie and Clyde Bonnie Parker and Clyde burrow during
00:43:12
these episodes but he really reminds me a lot of Mickey and mallerie from the movie Natural Born Killers and so that
00:43:21
other book is called Natural Born Killer in love and on the road with a serial killer that was in 2004 I've not read
00:43:28
that one so I can't can't put my stamp on that one and then there's another book called one is Not Enough by
00:43:35
Georgina Lloyd that came out in 1976 the article that we referenced in the trailer was from a series of
00:43:45
Articles done by Paul mcll from The Daily News in New York back in early this would have been January
00:43:54
1975 and the series was called something like he killed so many people he lost count seems like a long title yeah well
00:44:04
it like I said it was a series and they used to run those sometimes in the newspapers those were always interesting
00:44:09
it's so there are things out there there are reference materials and books written about nolles over the years I
00:44:19
think that a large part of it is when you compare him and Bundy it's not that one is more notorious than the other
00:44:28
it's just that you have one who had such a brief short life in nolles who look I
00:44:36
I didn't really spend a whole lot of time Captain trying to decipher what happened out on the road that day with
00:44:41
those two officers I I do not like vigilante justice at all but looking at noll's track record and how many kids he
00:44:50
killed and and the brutal homicides we know he committed and he killed a State Trooper along the way it just didn't
00:44:57
feel like a valuable use of my time to determine if I thought that there was any wrongdoing at all because we know
00:45:03
that what led to that day was a whole lot of wrongdoing by one guy all along the way I will say that the police and
00:45:12
the Georgia authorities did feel that they had to kind of back up their story enough so
00:45:18
much so that they did present some evidence to the public which I will applaud them for that people can
00:45:24
consider to cover up or whatever what have you we've covered so many cases where we criticize law enforcement for
00:45:32
not telling us what they know when they are at a point in time where they could and so I want to applaud them for doing
00:45:38
that when they could here in Georgia you know they said we found a broken paperclip in the back seat of the car
00:45:45
that we believed is what he used to pick the lock on the handcuffs right and we found a whole bunch of scratch marks on
00:45:53
the handcuffs where it was looking like he was working the Cuffs as they were driving along that day but we have these
00:46:01
audio tapes which I think maybe the big difference between maybe the coverage of nolles and and Bundy is
00:46:11
simply down to technology we have video footage of Bundy a lot more video footage and him representing himself in
00:46:20
trial and that being a trial that is seen by people Nationwide polarizing right and maybe that's why the coverage
00:46:29
is more but this this this individual is very um very vicious I mean one of the vicious and because it's it's the
00:46:39
crimes are so different it's almost like you could put him in any scenario and he
00:46:45
can become a murderer mhm where some of these other Killers I mean even gasy and
00:46:52
some of them it's like they have to low them back to their their their layer or get them in a vehicle or invade
00:47:01
somebody's home this guy is like it doesn't matter how it goes down it's going to go down well and the thing the
00:47:08
terrifying thing for him you know he is the definition of the word dangerous because the terrifying thing about
00:47:15
nolles is and we kind of mentioned this briefly in episode one all these things he did along the way he they were
00:47:24
necessary for him to keep running from police and to stay out there and have his freedom the stealing the taking of
00:47:32
cars manipulating people that was all very necessary what was not necessary was the raping and killing that he added
00:47:41
to the whole mix he chose to kill all those people he was going to it was no look it was no mystery who was
00:47:50
committing a lot of these crimes along the way all he was doing was making it worse for him once he finally got caught
00:47:57
for this so it just really shows what kind of a coldblooded killer he truly really was and I think he fancied
00:48:05
himself that I think he almost felt like he was living out some kind of some either some kind of fantasy or he was
00:48:12
living in a Hollywood movie you talked about the aliases that he used along the way but there was a name that he liked
00:48:18
to call himself and he called himself Mad Dog noes and I think that's a little bit of an insight into what he thought
00:48:25
of himself he thought of himself as an outlaw he thought of himself as a dangerous dangerous man now the New York
00:48:33
daily news referred to Paul JN noll's cross country killing spree as an odyssey of casual Terror and
00:48:42
blood H H 18 to 35 possible victims murdered in Cold Blood I don't know if there is a such
00:48:52
thing as casual Terror an odyssey of casual Terror and blood I admire a great Wordsmith for I do not possess the
00:49:02
ability to be one just the ability to appreciate one but I think an odyssey of casual Terror and blood is way off the
00:49:09
Mark I like what another writer said better calling nolles a kill crazy monster and then you go to the question
00:49:18
of how many victims he was charged with seven there was thought that it could be
00:49:24
177 we have the sheriff who says nolles was hinting at 18 victims and then if you go by the kill tapes that number
00:49:32
goes all the way up to 35 well not to mention every state that he was in when he was on the Run anytime there was a
00:49:40
missing teenager or younger female he's possibly responsible for or female hitchhiker yeah so I won't go through
00:49:50
all the cities or all the states because the list is very very long but what we have here in regards to nolles is we
00:49:59
have a paper trail an extensive paper trail when he killed William Bates in Ohio he stole William bates's credit
00:50:05
cards and along the way he was charging food and gasoline in 37 different states
00:50:12
using those credit cards he was in 37 different States before they locked him up and according to detective James
00:50:21
Josie who worked one of the double homicide cases he said that their his Department could track nolles to 33
00:50:29
States and 54 cities and it's of his belief that nolles probably killed somebody in every one of those stops so
00:50:38
what is the correct number what is the true number of victims here we will very likely never ever
00:50:45
know now let's go back to Angela Samuel kovic she was the woman who hired the attorney to get nolles paroled and and
00:50:55
he goes out to California he ask her to marry him she says no and after a handful of days nolles is back in
00:51:03
Florida and he's getting ready to do a whole lot of bad bad things well after he's captured their correspondence picks
00:51:14
up where it left off and then shortly after he is killed she is in the papers she is in front of the cameras saying
00:51:22
that she believes that he was set up that he was executed in the back of a sheriff's car by law enforcement she
00:51:29
goes on to say I would die for him for love and to that I go what what are you talking
00:51:38
about because you were with this man and you said no I don't want to marry you no
00:51:43
I don't want to continue this relationship so it seemed to me like maybe she likes the camera as much as
00:51:48
nolles did maybe she likes the notoriety or fame as much as he was seeking it Angela Samuel kovic was in charge of
00:51:57
making the funeral arrangements for her one-time boyfriend Paul John nolles at the funeral only a dozen or two people
00:52:06
attended the service and at the funeral the Baptist Minister that was hired for the occasion
00:52:12
refused to say may he rest in [Music] peace [Music] thank you guys so much for listening and
00:52:30
tuning and being a part of the garage do we have any recommended reading this week this week I am so very proud that
00:52:39
we are able to pay omage to one of my favorite FBI profilers the late great Mr Roy Hazelwood Hazelwood is regarded as
00:52:49
the pioneer of profiling sexual predators he retired in the '90s and co-authored two books on the subject and
00:52:57
today we are recommending the evil that men do FBI profiler Roy hazelwood's journey into the minds of sexual
00:53:05
predators check out that great title and others when you go to True Crim garage.com and click on the recommended
00:53:13
page and it's available on Audible by the way there captain and until next week be good be kind and don't
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