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talk some true crime [Music] where we left off yesterday we have a man named Leopold Dion who was arrested
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on May 27th and despite having any real evidence against this guy in the case of the four missing youths
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we are going to hold this man because he is picked up on a parole violation which
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means he's going to sit there and he's going to wait until he either talks or we can build a case against this guy he
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very quickly becomes Prime Suspect number one in this case like we're saying this is a really good strategy
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because we have four children that have gone missing but we have no crime scene we have no eyewitnesses of seeing these
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uh individuals get into a car with anybody we have no sign of a struggle we don't have items of these four
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individuals that were left behind somewhere so there's no crime scene really so he's arrested in sitting in a
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jail cell for about two weeks when on June 12th the body of guy luckenwick was found by accident by a hunter the boy
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was buried in a shallow grave the cause of death homicide manner of death homicide by strangulation
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so Leopold Dion was starting to crack as the pressure just kept growing and growing to the point that eventually he
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breaks and he tells the investigators that he was in fact responsible for the boys having Gone Missing and he led the
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police to the three remaining bodies on July 5th two of the victims were buried together this is the two that went
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missing together Alan and Michael they were buried in the same grave and this was basically right next to the grave of
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the last to go missing Perry Marquis this earned Leopold Dion the moniker of the monster of Ponte Rouge this whole
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thing moves along rather quickly doesn't it captain here like we've already seen in other
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cases is a person that spends most of his adult life in prison because as soon as he gets out he reoffends and then he
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goes back in so the cycle can start all over again then he is out probably never should
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have been released to begin with but he is and then within a matter of months not years he is not even out for a
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single year and he is on the prowl and what did his long stint in prison teach him
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well if I'm going to rape I better kill I better make sure that they are dead because what got me busted at least
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twice if not more the person I attacked became the Numero Uno witness in the case and the province built a case
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against me so the best witness is a dead witness and the best victim is a dead victim and also because of his health
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history as a as a kid being in isolation for what they said 11 years or so I mean
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this guy has spent probably more time locked up or in isolation than he's spent in the Free World now once he has
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made up his mind what kind of victim he desires what fantasies he wants to act out with his victim and he has decided
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it is in his best interest to kill the victim after he is satisfied he is out trolling and once he offends again he is
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doing so in Rapid succession he likely was out there every weekend during that 40-day period in which he procured four
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victims he likely was even out there weekends before he was successful in his mission well and we've seen multiple
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times in these cases where the addiction is stronger grow is stronger and so there's less time in between victims
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yeah he probably started with the very Basics like we've seen in other cases where do I find the victim type that I'm
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looking for and how do I abduct them without being noticed or drawing attention to myself yeah what's my ruse
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and how do I kill them and then where do I put them After figuring out most if not all of this task likely spending the
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most time on the where do I locate and go a notice portion he worked on practicing his ruse
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you can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar oh I will befriend
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them and offer them something this is probably rehearsed time and time again the first boy he approached likely did
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not go with him so he tried and tried again and once it worked he did it again and then he needed a victim more often
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and then the next victim he needed sooner than the last but I also wonder since he wasn't out of prison for that
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long maybe it was hard for him to get a weapon that he could use so he wouldn't have to be nice to capture
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these individuals so there is little to report on regarding Leopold's adult life
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because most of that time was spent in prison and then he gets out and Masters his craft but thank God he has picked up
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before he reached Green River Killer speed in numbers right and after he leads the investigators to the three
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bodies this guy is facing a jury by the end of the month I love Swift Justice and an efficient system and in this
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instance boom we have it later in the month of July this is 1963 the same year well question for you do you think
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that's because he is confessing I mean we saw you know pretty quick justice as far as
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you know the the states are concerned with the Chris Watts case but that's also because he was compliant with law
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enforcement and he was giving them information so same thing here obviously a different country correct I think it's
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a multitude of reasons I think you're you've honed in on the number one reason that he has confessed in some roundabout
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way yeah so you're not putting together you're not forced as a prosecution to put together such an extensive case
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unless you're worried about a technicality or something shifting during the course of the trial but I
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also think it has to do with the time period because when we've reviewed cases from the 60s and even the 70s
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the wheels of Justice seem to move a little faster back then right less [ __ ] yeah there's a lot more to sift
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through these days and that's that probably makes us a better society and possibly a better system overall in the
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in the at the end of the day well also more scientific evidence the other situation that we're dealing with here
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I'm not going to pretend to understand current day Canadian law let alone 1963 Canadian law a good thing I'm an expert
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on it right they did handle things obviously a little different than we do now later in the month of July 1963
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several persons testified to the facts of the case of course we have the parents and Friends of the victims
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testified to help piece together a timeline of events for when each of our victims went missing for the jury
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one person that testified was David derome of Pont Rouge he said that on May 5th the day the last boy went missing he
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was driving out on a country road now this road ran alongside a bunch of his father's property we're talking about a
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big piece of property here while driving he spotted a black vehicle parked at an old
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abandoned farmhouse on his dad's property knowing that no one was really to be there
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he jotted down the license plate number on a pack of cigarettes he meant to then
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later ask his father about the vehicle but before he managed to do so he started to see the news about the
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missing kids and then the arrest so he gave this information to the police this plate number came back to of course
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Leopold Dion police believe that this abandoned Farmhouse was somehow connected to the killings maybe this is
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where he intended to take the boys or did in fact take them there and maybe maybe he even killed one or two of the
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boys at this location yeah that makes a lot of sense but by far the most damning
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testimony at the hearing was that of the monster himself Leopold Dion at his murder trial described in my new detail
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how he allowed each boy to say a prayer before he killed them this was in an extraordinary two and a half hours of
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testimony when Dion described the crimes in horrific detail I'm a horrible piece
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of [ __ ] I mean oh by the way you're gonna die so say a prayer the basics he said he picked up the boys on three
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separate spring weekends posing as a magazine photographer then he killed them when they refused to
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submit to his demands his only defense of course was Insanity heck he led the investigators to three
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of the missing kids concealed buried bodies if you are not the one who put them there then you better have a really
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good story and some strong evidence to back that [ __ ] up here are some of the more dramatic
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moments and statements of ld's testimony he said quote I have always said to all
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who have questioned me that at the moment when I committed these crimes at the time when I killed these little
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children I was not aware of it in the depths of myself now part of his confusion slash
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testimony was as follows quote these two damned hands of mine have killed four little saints what has
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happened to me today is not my fault I am 43 years of age and I haven't lived yet
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I killed them I do not know why I say it to the whole world society could perhaps
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think it is satisfied with what it has done and with what it's going to do to me
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perhaps the fact that Society will be satisfied will relieve many they want to strangle me during my life
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let them strangle me all right let's examine this testimony in Greater detail now that we have all of those
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theatrics out of the way Leopold Dion said he told all four boys that he was a photographer for an
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American Magazine he picked them up in his car and then drove them out into the country about 25
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miles away there were 60 police on hand at the trial you heard me correctly 66-0 police officers spread inside the
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courtroom and barricading the outside as well they kept L.D handcuffed to two officers
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for most of the trial so he's got one arm handcuffed to one police officer one armed handcuffed to another police
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officer they were taking no chances during this whole situation it was said that these two officers were two of the
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largest men on the force at the time see them that'd be my problem they would attach me to this [ __ ] and then I'd
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look over and he'd probably have a boner and he's like probably rubbing he you know he probably was rubbing their hands
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every now and then Captain we finally found a perfect job for you yeah just it's called a paperweight but you're
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gonna act just like a paperweight but for a prisoner now ld's testimony numbed the courtroom and left the relatives of
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the victims crying out loud in the court he described how he sexually attacked and strangled guy luckenwick he said he
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did it because he didn't want the kid to tell anyone because then he would have to go back to the penitentiary
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he said he told him to say his prayers because he said he didn't want to keep him from going to heaven
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he said I told the boy I had no choice in the matter the boy said if I let him go that he promised he would not tell
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but even if he meant it at the time a little boy cannot be dependent on Dion said he gave the boy two minutes to
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pray and afterward he strangled the boy by squeezing as tight as he could as to not to drag it out any longer than
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necessary Dion said he met the two boy victims Alan and Michael and convinced them to
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go with him after showing them his camera he had them pose for some pictures now
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from my understanding here Captain the camera that he used in his ruse he never even had any film for this
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camera so the entire time that he's doing all of this and manipulating people he's he's acting he's just acting
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the entire time yeah but don't you understand how that works if you're a fake photographer
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that you have to take fake pictures that's the way it works that's right this is where that abandoned Farmhouse
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comes into play that is where he took these two kids Dion said that he often slept there
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himself during this 40 days of death and destruction he took the two boys up to an attic room
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in The Farmhouse now at some point while he's attempting to do whatever it is that he wants to do with the victims he
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says that he heard a car outside he said he looks out the window he said that he saw a family they appeared to
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him to be looking for a place to picnic so they parked their car and now this is where Dion almost gets
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caught right but he goes outside he tells the people that hey this is private property and you gotta leave
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right and so not knowing any better they do he said that he went back into the Farmhouse and had the boys again pretend
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to pose for the fake pictures he decided he wanted to separate the boys that it would be easy to manipulate
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them control them and ultimately kill them if they were separate so he told one of them to go
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out to the car and listen to the radio he then tied the other boy to the bed during his testimony Dion was asked if
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he knew what he was going to do to the boys to which Dion replied very well so we saw premeditated yeah
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so when the boy was told by Dion what he wanted to do with the boy the Boy refused
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so he said Michael was told he was going to be killed so Michael began to pray out loud he said a Hail Mary and the act
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of contrition both again out loud and Dion said that that is what made this whole thing so terrible Dion said the
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boy never struggled and he died like a little angel he then went to the other boy and then
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he told him if you want to go to heaven then you pray too he then strangled him as well
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he then said that he buried both bodies in the same grave in a clearing in the Deep Woods so it seems like during this
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whole time period like do we have any idea where like Leopold was actually staying or was he just cruising around
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and living in his vehicle I think he was staying you know where he could and that
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might be involve the vehicle but it sounds like most of the time at least during this Killing Spree he was
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sleeping in that abandoned Farmhouse this is kind of out in the middle of nowhere right and he could especially if
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he could conceal his vehicle no one would even really know that he would be there
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later on during that 40 days this would be on May 26th Dion said that he went to go swimming at Wolf's Cove
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and that is how he first interacted with Perry the fourth victim he said he used the same Mo as he used
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in the previous attacks and he got the boy out into an isolated area this again probably that farmhouse
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and he tried to force the boy to undress and the boy resisted and fought him so hard that Dion said he had to pull a
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knife on the kid but even after threatening him with the knife Dion said there was just no way that he could stab
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the boy so he he's trying to get him to comply the boy won't he can't bring himself to
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physically stab the boy so he then says that he bit the kid to force him to comply and then pray
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and then Dion said he put a cord around the boy's neck and strangled him he's a real piece of [ __ ] he went on to testify
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to say that his fourth victim he said he had the heart of a lion the poor little
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one he was then asked if he had any regrets to which Dion replied many then he went on to say maybe if the boys
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would have consented to the sexual acts they would not have died but I'm really not sure
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they did show the jury a makeshift garage that Leopold Dion fashioned from a piece of wire with a nail at each end
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to hold on to so he could tighten it at the trial one psychiatrist described Leopold Dion
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as a quote sexual monster with a human face Max Haynes of Saskatchewan's newspaper
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The Leader Post called Leopold Dion a human time bomb I mean to be fair I mean he might have a
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human face but it is an ugly human face and it was the leader post that featured
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a fantastic article titled these two damned hands Leopold Dion condemned sex Slayer the article reads Society has
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little reason to be satisfied with what it has done to Leopold in the past Society put this man in prison for life
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in 1940 for rape Society let him out 16 years later Society put him back in a prison for
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homosexual relations with a boy six years later Society let him out again this time Leopold Dion raped and
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strangled four boys and this time Society is ending this charade society's self-destructive agent
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was the institution of parole when it works parole is Progressive and desirable what it bungles miserably it
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is intolerable a parole system which gives second and third chances to irredeemable criminal
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perverts such as Leopold Dion seems itself almost Beyond Redemption soft sentences General prison instead of
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segregated institutions for sexual Psychopaths and careless parole how careless Society is with its own safety
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how many other creatures are there free or jailed who may one day say as Leopold
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Dion said these two damn hands of mine have killed four little saints what has happened to me today is not my
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fault of course it was not the fault of the lost and misbegotten Maniac it was ours
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XM app and every episode is also on Spotify so check that out as well Captain it took the jury only two
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minutes to return the verdict after Leopold Dion testified for well over two hours and you know somebody complained
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that that well why did we even come back here and sit down hey why is this taking
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so long yeah we could have just sat there yeah I'm hungry it was announced that they would not be
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discussing why it was decided that Leopold Dion was granted parole in the first place during the trial and even
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after the trial basically what was said is that the parole board has final say so they have exclusive jurisdiction in
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those matters but this again look what what we could do is go hey do you want to let out of prison yes
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okay well we're gonna we're gonna chop your dinghy off we we we're going to guarantee no more rapes now the guy says
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well now I know I want to keep my dinghy we go okay well we're going to keep you
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in prison that's what we're going to do in December of 1963 he was convicted of one of the boys murders this was for 13
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year old Perry Marquis now criminal lawyer guy Bertrand defended Dion at his trial and to me it looks like Bertrand
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really did the best that he possibly could given that his client confessed to the murders LED detectives to three of
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the four bodies and had an extensive violent criminal past we've talked about this before leading the investigators to
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a body or bodies is always incredibly important to these cases and to the investigation and prosecution because
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what it says is we've seen time and time again where a killer or a suspected killer will confess to a murder
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but then later recant that confession right what you can't take back later is the fact that you actually LED them to
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the deceased person's remains yeah or your knowledge about the crime Dion was in the end given a death sentence to be
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executed by way of hanging the old drop and swing method we so Leopold was sentenced to hang but we are far from
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done my friends because while awaiting his date with the hangman Dion requested an interview with Quebec
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prison Governor Jean latoran in the governor's office this was on Wednesday May 27 1964.
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during this interview using what was described at the time as a crudely fashioned knife Leopold attacked the
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governor stabbing him several times and then using this man as a human shield as he made his way out of the prison
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from the interview room he managed to make it out of the prison but not further than 200 feet from the Prison
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Walls where two City policemen jumped him and clubbed him to the point of unconsciousness with the revolver butts
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his pathway from the governor's office was marked with the trail blood it was later revealed that Dion concealed a
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letter opener under his clothing it was an old-fashioned letter opener stabbing early reports said that the governor was
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in critical condition the governor was stabbed a total of seven times by Dion but later recovered from his wounds
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despite all of this his death sentence was then later commuted to a life sentence in prison this of course was
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met with a storm of protests in 1972 at the age of 52. that's because I wanted to see the son of a [ __ ] hang they
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wanted to put him in the middle of the town and watch his legs dingle dangle you know that
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that would have been Justice for the town I mean not only is he a monster that killed these four boys and he goes
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and attacks the governor I mean this this guy is an animal in 1972 at the age of 52 Leopold Dion was attacked by
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deranged prisoner and convicted killer Norman champagne and Beat to Death champagne was 29 at the time
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prison officials said Dion was attacked as he entered his cell after attending a
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therapy session in another part of the prison an autopsy revealed that Dion died instantly from several blows to the
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skull from a metal bar there are some more detailed information that came out years later yeah you
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wonder if uh Leopold was threatening him in any way well this guy has an interesting story
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and I think we're gonna go down this interesting Road here so it said that on the night that of Dion's death champagne
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went into the prison yard for exercises and managed to smuggle in a 14-inch metal bar that weighed about three
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pounds or more yeah Pilates yeah this was used for weight lifting and Norman champagne later told the
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investigating agency that he himself was actually Lawrence of Arabia and that he killed Dion on orders
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he received in his dreams he said quote I was I was scared of Dion and one of my
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dreams Lawrence told me I had to kill the desert monster before he killed me I did it and I don't regret it I'm
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liberated now from the desert monster champagne said in his dreams Lawrence of Arabia told him you are me living in the
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20th century Champaign was in prison serving a life sentence himself for the rape and murder
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of a Quebec woman from 1969. well yeah that that SOB is nuts but good thing that he killed the
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monster of the desert well Max Haynes who we referenced earlier writer Max Haynes
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in a March 6 1982 article titled Justice was dealt in a deadly way in which he cites according to officials
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Leopold Dion was hated by his fellow prisoners until the end one guard at the Maximum Security Prison
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said that in prisons inmates hate rapists and child molesters as well as stool pigeons
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with the passion oddly enough when Leopold was at his murder trial years before his attorney
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claimed that Leopold was insane so basically it was an insanity defense yeah the man that killed Leopold Dion Norman
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champagne was later found to be criminally responsible but then was later ruled to not be guilty by way of
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insanity well it's weird but it's weird with Leopold as well because on off the record this week we did uh
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two parts update on the fifth now and and in that case you have this horrific murderer
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that victim blames left and right and here you know he's at least not victim blaming
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he's not saying you know he he he he tells you these damn hands killed these angels
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and and the there was nothing that these kids did wrong so it is it's a whole different
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psychology of killer almost yeah and he's on the stand at least he's trying to paint a picture of he couldn't
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control himself I killed these kids and I don't know why right these damned hands almost that their his hands are
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cursed and have a mind of his own and he has no control over right which is [ __ ] but it's a lot better for the
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victims families to hear stuff like that other than you know some of these other killers
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that go well you know that they they were asking for it or they did a b c and d and that's what led me to want to kill
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them it's their fault well and what's weird in this case too I mean there's always these these unique intricate
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pieces inside of these larger stories that I find absolutely fascinating and one Leopold Dion probably should have
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never been left let out to begin with yeah I agree and then we have all of this tragedy that is brought about by
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him being paroled he sent to prison again and there's never it's really difficult
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right these are hard hard lessons to learn it's like we were learning it the hard way they would say because we let
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them out and we sentence him to death and later commute that back to a life sentence
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then we have a convicted killer a piece of [ __ ] who is already in prison he can
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he kills Leopold and they have the same defense for why they killed it works out in Norman champaign's favor
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but Norman champagne is another hard lesson learned because he's a guy too that they continue to
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want to reform and let him out and he is every bit as violent as Leopold Dion well the
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insanity of these individuals the maliciousness the violence the they're you know they're almost demonic
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they're inhumane right they're all these things but we keep trying to have this system
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that is Humane you know oh well we we have the death penalty but when we when we do it we
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don't we now we just inject you you know we don't want to make it too violent and and I just wonder if
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I want to say something and maybe you'll get it and maybe people out there will get it but it's it's kind of like the
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Joker and Batman right The Joker is playing by a different set of rules than Batman is
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and that's almost the way I feel about our justice system is The Killers they're playing by a
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whole different set of rules and we're still trying to we're trying to hold up some kind of
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rule set if that makes any sense and so it's like okay yeah we'll put you in jail but now now we're going to let you
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out because our our system's too Lacks and then we see what happens time and time again well this is something we've
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been preaching here in the garage since we started was it there there needs to be a distinct difference
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an understood difference between violent offenders and non-violent offenders because in a lot of cases you have
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people being pushed out of prisons because of they're overpopulated there's not enough room for all these people
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yeah there's too much [ __ ] and I'm not afraid of a non-violent offender that's that's not who I'm afraid of
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that's not who Society is afraid of right the person that rips families apart and rips communities apart is the
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violent offender now this Norman champagne I said he's a rather fascinating story he has a rather
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fascinating history but this is to go along to show that it was it was the same mistake repeated
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with the guy that killed the guy that you made the mistakes with to begin with right so Norman champagne
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he ends up creating some kind of a working relationship if you will with the famous News man he's a now famous
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newsman but at the time was not his name is Claude poyer the legend began to take
00:36:18
shape on June 11 1973 during a 10-hour hostage crisis at Montreal's maximum security Psychiatric Hospital okay so
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he's in prison already for killing a woman in 1969 then he kills Leopold Dion inside the prison now this man is
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involved in a 10-hour hostage crisis inside Norman champagne was armed with scissors and holding three of three
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employees against their will he wanted his freedom and he wanted to see if Claude poyer the
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newsman he was a radio reporter at the time then only 34 years old he wanted to see this man and speak with
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him and have him Aid him in his freedom that he was seeking the radio reporter Claude he exchanged
00:37:10
himself for the three hostages and then he drives this madman away in a highly visible radio car you know so
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that at some point police can stop this madness from going on right poyer later reported that champagne wanted him to
00:37:30
drive him back to the desert oh yeah because he has to kill well he's Lawrence of Arabia right in his mind and
00:37:37
in fact he ended up going to see his mother and then his sister and that's where police were able to recapture this
00:37:45
Psychopathic murderer before he could make it to his next plan stop which was he was asking the reporter to take him
00:37:53
to the Montreal bus station so he's locked up once again and this is what is completely bizarre
00:38:04
captain an escape attempt a hostage crisis two murders under this guy's belt and what
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do they do they parole Norman champagne oh my God they release him from the psychiatric Institute where they are
00:38:17
housing him because he's he's cured you gotta be stupid then you have this news article Norman
00:38:26
champagne at this point in our timeline Captain he is 44 years of age they're calling him a convicted murderer and I
00:38:33
couldn't figure out where this came from prize-winning artist so apparently he's quite the artist but
00:38:40
he and two other people were arrested on November 19th and this would have been in the early 80s I think it was 1982.
00:38:49
after police foiled a plot to kidnap two female employees from a McDonald's restaurant and hold them for ransom and
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possibly kill one of them if the money wasn't paid the police found out about this plot through a man named Jean
00:39:04
Jacques Roshan originally he was supposed to be one of the people involved in this whole
00:39:12
hostage situation he was going to be an accomplice he ended up contacting the authorities
00:39:19
when he discovered that the Mastermind this Norman Champaign was planning on probably killing one of the hostages
00:39:27
anyway right he's like wait a second I was just in this for some money now now there's going to be an actual murder
00:39:33
involved no I'm I'm not only only am I out but I am outing you and the others as well yeah because he's insane what
00:39:42
ended up happening was this Roshan was so messed up with the whole situation that he ended up committing suicide not
00:39:51
long before the police were able to track down this group and arrest them now police said that the crime champagne
00:39:57
planned to commit they called it one of the most serious in the criminal code and
00:40:05
they described the evidence against champagne in this case as quote revolting and repugnant along with
00:40:13
passports the three criminals were going to use to escape to Brazil after the kidnapping police seized weapons and a
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video cassette that was to be used to make the ransom demands to the McDonald's Chief Executives the video
00:40:30
shows Norman champagne in a in flowing robes and a turban his eyes shielded by Amber tinted glasses styling and profile
00:40:40
Johann strauss's Blue Danube plays in the background and you can see shots of a McDonald's
00:40:48
restaurant golden arches champagne is heard talking about the prophets of the McDonald's chain and saying quote
00:40:55
McDonald's exploits its employees McDonald's is an exploiter that we can use to get rich
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the scene on the video then changes to show in your show is a McDonald's and not a McDowell's
00:41:10
the scene then changes to show champagne holding an ax and now he's saying I am Lawrence of
00:41:18
Arabia I'd like you to meet my partner the ax I am declaring war on McDonald's Champaign goes on to say that he will
00:41:29
decapitate one of the hostages he says quote I'm going to take out her heart put it on a skewer roast it and
00:41:38
then put it between two small buns champagne then says and I can do worse today I can't go back into society I've
00:41:48
tried I have tried counseling but there is nothing to be done I've been inside too long the only thing that's left is
00:41:56
the ax why and and by him having those two buns so we're we're stating that he's not
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on a keto diet so oddly enough just like Leopold Dion this Maniac was somehow released back into society
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