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Captain cheers every everybody out there everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
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crime Mary Rachel trila went by her middle name Rachel she was still in high school but had been married to Thomas
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trila for 6 months her maid name is Arnold she is Caucasian with brown hair and greenish blue eyes she is
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Left-Handed and has a small scar on her chin on the day in question she had on her
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finger her wedding ring she is Caucasian with brown hair and greenish blue eyes she is Left-Handed and has a small scar
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on her chin on the day in question she had on her finger her wedding ring Lisa Renee Wilson also preferred to be called
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by her middle name she is Caucasian with reddish brown hair and brown eyes Renee
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has a scar on her thigh and on the day in question she was wearing a ring with a single Stone julieanne Mosley was the
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smallest of the three at just 4' 3 in tall she is Caucasian with light brown hair blue eyes and has a small scar
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under the left eye and a scar on the middle of her forehead on December 23rd 1974 these three girls from three
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different families set out on a shopping trip to purchase Christmas gifts for their friends and family they piled in
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the car and drove off to South Fort Worth Texas they were supposed to be home by 400 p.m. but they never returned
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the Charlie project has classified their disappearance as a non-family abduction Rachel was 17 years old when
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she went missing and Renee was 14 years old Julianne was just nine at the time the mystery surrounding their
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disappearance continues to confound law enforcement officials while at Hans and tank Les the lives of all the families
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involved for some time stopped on that December day for others the tragedy created a seedbed of suspicion that now
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divides it is a constant grieving to this day this case remains a riddle with no answers but it does not have to be
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this is the story of the missing Fort Worth Trio [Music] Fort Worth Texas 1974 it's the holiday season on the
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morning of December 23rd 17-year-old Rachel Arnold trila is driving to her friend's grandmother's house the plan is
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to pick up her friend and spend the day doing some almost last minute Christmas shopping she arrives greets her longtime
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friend this is 14-year-old Renee Wilson now Renee informs Rachel that they might
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have a tag along going with them for the day little Julie Anne Mosley begged to go along the older girl said that she
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would have to get permission Julianne was only nine and on that morning she simply didn't want to spend the day
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alone with nothing to do so she persuaded her mother to let her go with the two older girls Rachel and Renee had
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been friends for years their families camped and fished together but Rachel hadn't known Julianne Mosley the little
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9-year-old at all now Julianne and her family lived across the street from Rene's grandmother's house where Renee
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stayed when her mother was away at work Renee knew all of the Mosley children in
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fact Renee and Julie Anne's older brother Terry they were a bit of an item that morning Terry surprised Renee with
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a promise ring now Terry was 15 years old with long brown hair and he was asked to go shopping if he wanted to go
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on the shopping trip but he said no because he was planning to go see a friend he already had
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plans so it would be just the three girls going out for the day they needed to be done shopping and back at their
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houses by 400 p.m. because Renee and Terry plan to go to a Christmas party together that night the girls set out
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just before noon they first stopped at the Army Navy Store this was to retrieve some
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items I I've seen this reported several ways Captain a lot of times it says items uh what I actually think happened
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here is she had a pair of jeans that she had previously purchased or put them on
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layway remember layaway do they still do that I don't think so well she wanted to
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pick up this item I believe it was a pair jeans so then they travel to Seminary South shopping center uh it
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sounds like this is one of the nicer malls in the area at that time not sure about today but for those of you that
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live in the area I believe the mall well I know that the mall is still there I believe it was called the Fort Worth
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Town Center for a time and nowadays it's called Le Grand Plaza when they arrived at the shopping
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center they parked the car on the upper parking level near the Sears store so there's some very interesting discussion
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and speculation that I found regarding this case on Reddit um not a lot of detail and to be honest with you Captain
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some misinformation on there but one of the discussions on there you got to love
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Reddit if you're a true crime fan you got to love Reddit well in in here's here's going to be the the truth for
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everybody out there I'm probably going to dog Reddit and web SLO a little bit during this week because there's just a
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lot of bad information regarding this particular case other cases there's been a lot of great information on I love
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both of those websites and so it it hurts me it hurts me deep inside to say badly about Reddit and web SLU but I
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have to in this case because people listen to our show and then they go out armchair detective work on their own
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right and I want them to know that that's a bad spot well first of all we should also say that because of Reddit
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there have been leads that have been developed and actually in the Golden State killer case I don't know if it was
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Reddit but it was a forum that somebody gave the name of who they thought was the Golden State killer like a year and
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a half before DNA confirmed it right so these forums and these online armchair detectives they are very important yeah
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you called me 6 months or maybe a year before they solved the um Golden State killer case and you had said hey i' I
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found this on S such and such and somebody mentions the name D'Angelo and I was like whoa and then
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sure enough it turns out to be D'Angelo so we'll give them their pat on the back
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there but the discussion that I found on there one that I found fascinating and interesting um was that there was a lot
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of conversation about is there is it weird the big age difference in these three girls we have Rachel who's 17
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Renee who's 14 and then Julianne who's nine all together and this I thought would be something to get your opinion
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on do you think that this is weird given the age range of the three girls it you
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know 17-year-old and 9-year-old that's the big gap I mean if somebody said to me um well I mean just take like my
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stepsons for example if they said to me we're going to go shopping and we're taking this 9-year-old boy along mhm I'd
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think well that's very nice of you right CU you probably don't want to be hanging
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out with a 9-year-old yeah and the the the speculation that a lot of people were
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kind of going toward on there was that maybe Rachel the 17-year-old was up to no good like okay so we know this is a
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disappearance we know this is a missing person's case so she disappears and convenient goes missing with two younger
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girls and some people have wondered well was Rachel up to no good was she getting
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these younger girls for somebody else and I think that when you dive further into what was actually going on that day
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you will realize that the 9-year-old was just with them the two older girls really didn't want the 9-year-old to go
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with them in fact what had happened was we mentioned that Renee so Renee is the 14-year-old her boyfriend's Terry Terry
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is the little 9-year-old's older brother that's Rene's boyfriend she asked she asked Renee you know Renee asked Terry
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hey you want to go shopping with us he says no I already have plans the little girl overhears this right says can I
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please go shopping with you I mean look we've all been nine you know when you're
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nine and 10 you see teenagers and you're like oh they're the coolest well and it's also different too because if
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that's her boyfriend's sister she's probably spent time watching her she's probably spent time with her right and
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so hey you want your uh significant others Family to like you so you know what's the best way to get her on your
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side take her shopping with you well and Terry commented on this years's later and he says look the the two older girls
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didn't want my little sister to go with them right but they were too nice to say
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no so they kind of came up with a plan and the plan was well we won't tell her no because we want to be nice but you
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have to ask your mom for permission and Terry says they did this on purpose because my mom always said no to
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everything they just assumed that it the answer would be no right but for whatever reason the mother says yes and
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the mother would later say look I wish I if I would have just said no my whole life would have been different and
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that's something I always look back and reflect on and she said but I couldn't say no I knew these two girls' families
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right you know I knew their family so I'm like my my daughter will be safe traveling along with them and also it's
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your son's girlfriend and you've spent time with her and you probably know that your daughter kind of looks up to her
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and again it's funny sometimes how people will take something so innocent and maybe meaningless and and speculate
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on it when it's simply these girls were nice and they were doing a nice thing for a younger girl and as far as the 17
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and 14 year old ago they were longtime friends they had been friends for a long time that's not that big of a age their
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families knew each other and look when I was 14 15 if somebody an older kid had a
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car maybe I even if I didn't like them I went along CU they had a car but you know so you're a horrible
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person just to just to squash that idea from the get-go okay there's nothing weird about the age difference here the
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older girls really didn't want the 9-year-old tagging along but they were just too nice to say no
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so we do have good reason here Captain we said that they parked the vehicle in the upper level near the Sears store and
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we do have very good reason to believe that the trio made it to the shopping center not just because the car was
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parked there on the upper level but several people would later report having seen the three there shopping mhm so
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during the shopping portion people that saw the three said nothing appeared out of the ordinary none of the girls seemed
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distraught and some gave a detailed description which I believe solidifies the the sightings the eyewitness
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accounts so regarding the uh we we briefly mentioned a description of each girl but what we didn't mention was that
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Renee Wilson the 14-year-old she was wearing red and white sneakers and a pale yellow green pale yellow/green
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T-shirt with the word sweet honesty printed across the front so the interesting thing sweet honesty a few
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people specifically that did not know Renee Rachel or Julianne they said I know I saw the three girls you're
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talking about because I saw that sweet honesty shirt I remember the shirt so because it's so bad well apparently they
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must have made it back to the car at some point during this trip because uh purchases were found locked inside the
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vehicle so what happened after that is a big mystery so 4:00 came and went and okay so so let me just go through this a
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little slower right so we have uh 17 and a 14-year-old they're going to hang out
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they're going to the mall a 9-year-old which is the 17-year-old's boyfriend's sister decides
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that she wants to go with them so they say cool right so they go to the mall they Park there's multiple entrances at
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malls but they park at the Sears entrance so we think that they went into the mall going into the Sears store
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they're in the mall for a time period enough where we have eyewitnesses that saw multiple eyewitnesses mhm they go
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back to the car or we think so because there was purchases made corre are in the car but we don't know where they
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went we don't know where they went and the car is found with the purchases inside and locked so the weird thing
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here though Captain is that do we have a detailed report on what was found in the
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vehicle so from my understanding there was at least one quote unquote Christmas gift found inside the vehicle in the
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back seat this was a uh Oldsmobile so a car uh in the trunk locked in the trunk was the pair of jeans that Rachel had
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picked up from the Army Navy store so what were they the jeans that she was going to return or did she actually
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returned the jeans and she got new jeans no no no this was a a a pickup like so she had either previously purchased
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these jeans or they were on layaway something like that and she picked them up that day on before going to the
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shopping mall okay so we have multiple items inside the vehicle to lead us to believe that they possibly made it back
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to the vehicle at some point um now that's not to say that they didn't go out to the vehicle put some items in
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there and then return to the shopping mall yeah cuz that's not out of the norm sometimes when you're going shopping you
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get a few items you don't want to carry those around hey let's run this back to the car real quick come back in and Shop
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so there are multiple reports stating that the um the report of missing girls happened at 4: 5 and then some say 6:00
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p.m. and I think the reason for the confusion is that the family spent a decent amount of time looking for the
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kids before they actually reported them missing so the way that this goes down and this should have helped the
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investigation remember Renee the 14 year-old was planning to attend a Christmas party later that day with her
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boyfriend Terry so she she was adamant that she had to be home by 400 p.m. and that stuck in
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her mom's mind and when they didn't return at 4: well the mom calls the other you know homes are have they
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returned yet no they've not so she takes her son her son's like 11 at the time and gets her husband and the three of
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them go to the shopping mall mhm and they assumed that the car probably broke down that they ran into car trouble
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right so on the way to the mall their eyes peeled looking both sides of the road hoping to see this Oldsmobile and
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they'll get out and help the kids right right cuz remember this is at a time period there's no cell phone so they
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can't just call right and say hey we broke down you'd have to find a pay phone or go to a gas station so they
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don't see the vehicle on the way to the mall and once they get to the mall they drive around for some time still looking
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for the vehicle now is there any web sluth online that talk about the discrepancy between the the parents age
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and their son's age and bringing him to the mall the parents age and the son's age yes oh no no no nobody found that to
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be weird so the way that I understand this is is this so they spot the vehicle they find the
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vehicle the Assumption was that the girls would then be they're still inside the Mall mhm they go in so the the
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mother father and brother of the middle girl Renee go into the mall and they are
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telling the store clerks at each store hey these three people are missing can you page them so they make an
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announcement nobody shows up they go to the next store they do this until they go through all the stores mhm the girls
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are not at the mall okay and so the father decides hey the father immediately thought something was very
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wrong thought that they may have been abducted that there was Foul Play involved at 6 p.m. is when they call and
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notify the police now remember they spent some time between 4: looking for the car and then looking for the girl so
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I don't find anything weird with 4 to 6:00 mhm I think that's where there's the discrepancy in the reports they went
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missing at four five or six whatever the father gets the his neighbor to join him
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the police at first are there's mixed reports on the police the families spring and the Blue Bloods the families
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would tell you that the police didn't seem to care I think what what we have here is this is
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1974 they think that they are runaways or they're just out misbehaving they miss their curfew whatever yeah but
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isn't that kind of a common theme in a lot of these stories somebody goes missing and they're never found the
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police didn't care that's that that's the normal statement from the family mhm um you know what I mean where it's like
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I'm sure there's a lot of cases that somebody goes missing and is never found and the police really did care well the
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police would later State and this is about 5 years later they would later state that they sent a couple of
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officers to the mall and they did go store to store looking for the girls just like the parents had done you know
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earlier but the father he gets his neighbor and the two of them decide to stay on the rooftop of a nearby store
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that night and watch the car with guns they're they're on top of this is like that that zombie movie this is what kind
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of father you want right they he thinks something went wrong and he thinks that he the car was the most troubling thing
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to this father and so he sat there and he watched it that night now nobody ever came back to the car and eventually they
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would take the car home so one thing I always I was pondering while researching this case is why is this case not more
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wellknown what I mean by that is we have three missing people here uh all of them
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technically children I know one of them was married but she was still only 17 and just about everyone has heard of
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Mara Murray and Brian schaer single missing adults but I had not heard of this case not until about 6 months ago
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so sometimes I wonder you know why why this case is kind of unknown and these other two were so popular and I wonder
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if is it is it just the age of the case or the time period I think that has something to do with it and
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to uh the the age of the individuals I think when you think about the Brian shaver case um there's a lot of males
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that could identify with that case being a college age student going out to a bar
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for a drink you go missing or even in the mar Murray case Young college girl going through some tough times and
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decides to go somewhere to take a break disappears from the face of the Earth those they're singular but I think
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people can identify with them more well with Mara Murray and Brian Schaefer the other thing you know we had the internet
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when both of those cases took place and we we didn't for this case and I also too think that this could be a a case
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that many think is solved you know that the girls came home at some point we experienced that here in Columbus with
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the Brian Schaefer case some people just they were aware of it at the time that he went missing and then as years went
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by you would talk to people and they're like yeah they found that guy and it's like no no they did they found no trace
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of him now the other reason like I stated before it it's not um more of a well-known case maybe because 1974 so of
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course at first the police said the girls had simply run away and we we won't see this type you know knee-jerk
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reaction by law enforcement change until the early 80s MH well that's going to happen with like Adam Walsh's case yeah
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so maybe some people heard that the girls or thought that the girls ran away took off and came back someday and it's
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just not that well known okay so we do know that they went shopping but these receipts would have some kind of Tim
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stamp on them um I don't know that they found receipts I I looked and looked for
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that and there I could find no mention of receipts but time did they head to the mall again they left um Rene's
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grandmother's house around noon okay so they're there for a couple hours we have
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a bunch of eyewitnesses the weird thing to me though is it's like the father had
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that hunch the car mhm you put things back in the car but if you're just going to run
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away why wouldn't you take your car well that and that's the thing that's what they tried to tell the police like okay
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first of all if we're if we're going to run away and that's the plan why is this
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9-year-old with us to begin with okay from the outside looking in some people could just say well she's collateral
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damage or she she was tagged along or that was part of the plan all along the the answer is no she was not part of the
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plan all along she happened to end up with the girls and the girls didn't want her there really MH and then furthermore
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the parents keep pointing out if they were planning to run away why wouldn't they take their car they obvious you
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need Transportation okay let's let's get over that fact and say okay maybe they parted ways with the car well why would
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they spend their money these girls didn't have a lot of money why did they spend their money on purchases that they
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could have just used for their time on the run right and then the question is what purchases did they make and where
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they gifts for somebody else and if they if they bought a gift for their father or gift for their mother why would you
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buy that if you're planning to run away the most specific and detailed report I could find about the vehicle
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was that one of the items found in the back seat of the car was a Christmas gift to somebody that was not that is
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not missing mhm and again then somebody would say well that was to throw him off
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but again if you don't have a lot of money you're not going to come up with a plan to buy a gift and throw them off
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throw the law enforcement off and throw the family off the scent of you running away well and let's talk about the
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investigation well let's let's do that right after this question beer [Music] break this show is sponsored by better
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to the colonel oh thank you on to the investigation sounds so enthused well as well as some things that were later
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learned m this is a weird case um this case fascinates me I tell you uh we know that several people remember seeing them
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at the mall so there's no question about that now one woman wait hold on we know
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that they were seen at the mall but on top of that don't we have items that they purchase in the mall that's unclear
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that's unclear so the the news articles out there state that a gift was found a Christmas gift was found in the back
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seat of their vehicle other news articles state that things that purchases made that day were found in
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the back seat of that car but they don't say that they came from the mall right well what I'm getting at is I
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don't I don't trust these news articles uh a lot of times and so when I'm when I'm trying to be perfectly upfront and
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honest with everybody I want it to be thrown out there that I can't say with 100% certainty that purchases made that
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day in the mall were found in the vehicle what I can say is that the most detailed report says that a gift a
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Christmas gift for another individual that was not that did not go missing was found in that vehicle I don't know if it
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was purchased on that particular trip or if it was already in the vehicle for some reason MH okay um the jeans that
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were picked up from layaway from the Army Navy Store were found in the trunk of the
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car okay mhm but regardless we know that they were at the mall that day okay we have several eyewitnesses who saw them
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and were detailed about what they saw they saw three girls together that age group um with matching the description
00:31:41
given of the girls and several people specifically saying we saw the sweet honesty T-shirt oh sweet honesty now we
00:31:50
have one woman who told three different store clerks that she saw some men hustling girls and she says the girls
00:32:00
which would mean she's indicating these three girls specifically into a pickup truck now this story of course is of
00:32:08
great interest to the police and they looked into this a lot the problem is the woman did not give her name to any
00:32:17
of these store clerks the police never spoke to this woman directly only to the store clerks and they
00:32:24
publicly asked for this woman to come forward she never did so this is probably a good lead but it's going to
00:32:33
go nowhere okay do we know how many boys there were in the pickup truck no the the
00:32:41
the the tip says that she saw some men MH hustling girls into a pickup truck pickup these girls into a pickup truck
00:32:52
so I don't know how many that would mean other than some men it's more than one um then another witness says that the
00:33:01
girls were spotted sitting in a security patrol car now in 1981 so years after The Disappearance a
00:33:10
man came forward and said that he had been in the parking lot that day and he had seen a man forcing a girl into a van
00:33:18
the man he questioned the man what was going on and the Man in the van told him it was a family dispute and to stay out
00:33:26
of it M so okay so we have I mean the truck is a little fishy the tough thing about the
00:33:34
truck though is this is back in the day they don't have four-door trucks so you know you're going to be riding in the
00:33:41
back of that truck the girls would be right no not according to the eyewitness account that
00:33:48
the three girls would have been in the pickup truck with uh a man with a man yeah so there's multiple reports about
00:33:55
this pickup truck Okay so one of them states that just simply says this is this is the the start and end of it I
00:34:03
saw the girls in a pickup truck that's that's all the information that we have there's another witness that states I
00:34:11
saw the girls in a pickup truck with a with two other men in the pickup truck as well okay first of all we got a
00:34:20
17-year-old 14-year-old and 9-year-old and and a man and if that's an adult male that's going to be a tight
00:34:28
squeeze now you throw in another adult male have fun with that one you're probably not going to fit so well now
00:34:34
you could have the little half seats in the back possible mhm toss the 9-year-old in the back maybe the
00:34:41
14-year-old and then uh the 17 two two guys set up front they did have what we would call refer to as Extended Cab
00:34:50
trucks back then so they weren't called trucks that's what I said you have the little tiny half seats in the back no we
00:34:59
have there were full-size cabs back then with vehicles for for like they weren't
00:35:05
called trucks technically called a pickup truck back then and we have this witness stating that it was a pickup
00:35:11
truck so maybe I'm going down the wrong path here but I do know from other cases
00:35:15
that we've covered that in the early 7s there were no I understand that you have
00:35:19
Broncos and stuff like that and it's just like there were vehicles that I would describe as a truck that has a
00:35:25
full cab that has you know multi four doors uh full-size seats throughout uh the front and the back of that cab right
00:35:33
and who knows what she calls a truck and what she calls a pickup truck and we just won't know because she never came
00:35:39
forward so all in all Captain we have about five reports eyewitness reports that we can trace back uh to that day
00:35:49
and then as late as 1981 the interesting thing here is there are some similarities Within These five
00:35:57
different stories there's also some obvious differences we have the mention of the security car the pickup truck uh
00:36:04
a van and then we have stories of either multiple men or a single individual male
00:36:11
the interesting thing here is like what you just pointed out these accounts would only end up raising more questions
00:36:19
than providing answers to any of us you know so you have to wonder did the girls
00:36:25
leave with someone that they knew did did they split up for some reason you know did did the middle one go off
00:36:32
elsewhere and so on and so forth and the other thing you have to wonder too is if
00:36:38
this is an abduction who was the target was it the oldest girl the youngest girl
00:36:45
or just all three in general you know after The Disappearance uh the families worked very hard to try to find these
00:36:53
girls and they they walked creek beds they walked Country Roads looking for their missing uh sisters and children uh
00:37:03
psychics and pranksters called the houses of all three girls and they called the police department as well the
00:37:10
psychics obviously trying to offer some tips now private investigators were hired and looked into the case
00:37:17
throughout the years the police chased a 100 or more empty leads back to the eyewitness accounts of the possible
00:37:26
abduction so all three what I would say here though what is consistent throughout most of these eyewitness
00:37:35
accounts is I would be I would believe that they're all describing somewhat of an
00:37:42
Abduction the problem is only one of them suggests that a girl is being forced to do something yeah and that
00:37:51
that's the one that I'd want the details of the vehicle more so than the others because I I think you have to think
00:37:57
about the who's going to be you have to be pretty damn ballsy to take the risk of trying to
00:38:04
abduct three individuals at a mall right I think just that just the scenario itself makes people want to lean towards
00:38:14
the fact that maybe these girls knew this individual or knew these individuals or had reason to trust the
00:38:21
person for some reason so maybe so but then on the other hand so you have one maybe he knew them maybe he had some
00:38:28
reason to trust them maybe there was some con hey I take pictures for teen magazine you guys should you want to be
00:38:37
in teen magazine hell yeah we want to be in teen magazine all right jump in my truck we're just going to go down to my
00:38:44
studio it's just right down the street we'll take a couple pictures you'll be back in a gif mhm you know or hey I'll
00:38:50
pay you $1,000 well the easiest con to me would involve the security car the patrol car
00:38:58
right is that security car for real or is it just fictitious or is it real but it's from a different location and this
00:39:06
guy's just a creep using it to hey uh I need to question you girls for a second what do we do officer get in the back of
00:39:14
my car right you know I 17 149 you're probably gone yeah cuz you think that's just part of the deal it's just the way
00:39:22
that this goes down you know we talked about this a few weeks ago with the Oakland County child killer yeah or you
00:39:28
could be like MGK you could get in their face and say FU Pig well regarding regarding this so
00:39:39
what I'm getting at here is we have three teenage girls we've already said that they didn't have much money what if
00:39:45
the 9-year-old or the 14-year-old decided to pocket something or even the 17-year-old decided to pocket something
00:39:51
and and was spotted by a real life security guard inside that Mall and thought well
00:39:57
I got three young girls in my car all to myself here's my opportunity I'm going to take advantage or like you said do we
00:40:05
have a Ted Bundy situation where we have somebody posing to be a security officer
00:40:09
that works at that mall you know driving around in the parking lot looking for younger females who are not accompanied
00:40:16
by a male or somebody they would consider to be adults and pull up on them and say hey I know you did this I
00:40:24
saw you do this and like you said get in the back my car yeah or do we have a Jeffrey dmer situation where you're
00:40:31
going around the mall and tracking people and you're going to try to abduct them in the mall well and and the
00:40:38
interesting thing here about the idea of being conned or tricked by somebody it does go along with what the the majority
00:40:47
of the eyewitness accounts are and that is that most of these accounts don't say
00:40:53
that the girls were being forced to do anything that they they were going along willingly or even sitting in the vehicle
00:41:00
and appeared to be happy or smiling so right right but that's what I'm saying is you could offer the world to somebody
00:41:09
if you know that you never have to pay it up well and then I know what some people are asking too is that they're
00:41:15
saying hey Nick these are conflicting eyewitness accounts that they they don't line up with one another
00:41:24
why would you think that maybe these girls were tricked or conned and go with what you said seems to be what's going
00:41:30
on in the majority of these eyewitness accounts there's a part of me that wonders Captain if maybe they're not
00:41:36
conflicting at all did the eyewitness one did the eyewitness get something wrong or
00:41:42
two are these small portions of a much larger story that an eyewitness only sees a small portion of the story
00:41:50
reports what they see and then there's a larger story going on and these might possibly could be all little pieces of
00:41:58
this bigger story yeah yeah and I I think the biggest one though is the man that says he sees uh a guy forcing a
00:42:07
girl into a van and he actually asks the man mhm because this is 74 I mean even in the
00:42:16
80s uh I don't know if you ever remember but like there was a couple times like you'd go to the store and a kid would
00:42:23
get out of line and the parents would just smack the [ __ ] out of their kids like well yeah and the threat was always
00:42:32
uh you know I'm going to take you to I'm don't make me take you to the restroom don't make me take you out to the car
00:42:37
was an often one don't make me cuz you're not going to slap your kid in the middle of the store you take him out to
00:42:42
the car and spank him there yeah or it'd be like just wait till your dad gets home with his belt and you're like what
00:42:49
why does he need to use the belt well and that's why I reference who was the Target no but that's but let me f finish
00:42:56
this point first is that that happened you would see kids get spanked right there then and there right
00:43:04
it wasn't always let's go to the restroom it wasn't always let's go to the car and for somebody to speak
00:43:13
up on something there had to be a little bit more of a struggle you see what I'm
00:43:19
saying right like it wasn't just like oh this girl's not cooperating and getting
00:43:24
into the vehicle this was a struggle and the guy actually said something well I think you're making two points there one
00:43:32
being that it was it was something that that that was brought to his attention so much so that he felt he needed to say
00:43:40
something one vicious enough yes but two things like this were commonplace enough
00:43:46
that when told hey this is just a family thing you need to stay out of it he does
00:43:51
stay out of it and in fact he doesn't report the issue until 5 years later right till 5 years later so right but
00:43:58
then but then you have to then here's the problem though with all these eyewitness accounts I mean this guy's
00:44:04
coming 5 years later mhm did this happen on the day the girls went missing right
00:44:11
did this happened 6 months after the girls went missing we don't know I I have a really hard time believing any
00:44:18
eyewitness story that comes fourth 5 years later unless they said I know this happened then and I thought about it for
00:44:28
5 years and then I came forward but a lot of these eyewitnesses that come forward 5 years
00:44:34
later they it's almost like I saw something on Dat line and then that sparked my interest and I thought oh
00:44:42
yeah I was at that mall one time oh yeah that's where that girl was trying to get
00:44:47
in the van you know what I mean and then they're calling the law enforcement oh I
00:44:52
saw something and they don't even know when they saw it or when they didn't yeah I I have a hard time trusting
00:44:57
something that comes out five six years later I also have a hard time trusting something where uh the police call for
00:45:05
make a call to action for you to come forward hey we need to speak with you directly we heard what you reported to
00:45:10
the store clerks we need to speak with you directly and then that woman never never makes her presence known she never
00:45:17
comes forward and talks to talks to the police so as far as we know what's been reported publicly now we had said that
00:45:26
the police said at first that the girls simply ran away we also said that the parents protested this thought and they
00:45:33
did not agree with this but doesn't make any sense though I mean I mean I know it's 74 but it's like
00:45:40
come on where's your evidence of this I mean I understand that they went to the ball
00:45:47
uh they didn't go back to their car we have their car they disappeared Into Thin Air so therefore they ran
00:45:54
away come on 17 14 and 19y old well and if the 14 and the 17y old were planning to run away so the day that they're
00:46:03
playing a run away they would have done everything in their power to have the 9-year-old not go with them it wasn't
00:46:10
like they're like you know what we're going to be on the run for a while and uh we might need some extra food so
00:46:15
let's take this 9-year-old along you know cuz if we run out of food we can use her it's not I mean it makes zero
00:46:23
sense well as if to back up the police's Theory a letter arrived the next morning
00:46:29
it was addressed to Rachel's husband wait hold on when when did the letter arrive the next morning the day after
00:46:36
they went missing correct so they would they disappeared on the afternoon or evening of the 23rd and on the 24th a
00:46:44
letter arrives to Rachel's husband question and I don't know if you know this but did the police come out and
00:46:50
state this the first night at all like we think we're were leaning towards runaway do we have any no I think that
00:47:00
would just be something they told the the parents mhm so um the letter was addressed to Rachel's husband the
00:47:09
strange thing though that would be noticed right away is the name on the envelope was a formal addressing it was
00:47:17
addressed to Thomas a trila and Rachel called her husband Tommy Rachel was scrolled in the upper
00:47:26
leftand corner of the envelope as to imply that the letter inside was from Rachel there was no return address there
00:47:35
was no city name on the postmark only a blurred Postal Service number and it says
00:47:44
76083 now the number three appears to be backward which is strange inside Thomas
00:47:51
found a letter the letter was on a sheet of paper that was wider than the envelope that it was sent in written in
00:47:58
what has been described as a childish scroll the letter read well it's curu yeah okay but I has been described as a
00:48:08
childish scroll the letter read I know I'm going to catch it but we just had to get away we are going to Houston see you
00:48:18
in about a week the car is in Sear's upper lot love Rachel the L on Rachel's name was a short Loop that looked more
00:48:30
like an e the the writer apparently had gone back over this making it a taller Loop to make sure that it looked like an
00:48:38
L now again that's speculation correct um but if you if you zoom in there Captain you can see that there's a small
00:48:47
Loop off to the right of her name on the bottom of the page um and you would have
00:48:53
to pick up your pencil to make the other loop yeah but this is not the best penmanship anyways right so so I think
00:49:03
that should have to come into play and we'll post this um letter on our website truecrime garage.com we'll also post it
00:49:10
on all the social media platform so you can take a look at what we're seeing Thomas says that he he picked the
00:49:18
letter up out of the mailbox himself he says he believes that the letter was sealed but can't say for certain he
00:49:27
doesn't remember anything else in the mailbox that day there were no Christmas cards no Flyers no bills just this
00:49:34
letter we'll start off with the first point you're making though uh she called him Tommy correct and she
00:49:44
addresses him Thomas well the whoever wrote the letter or wrote the envelope addresses it Thomas a trila I don't find
00:49:53
that that odd right right okay I mean just like you know the only reason why is because it's
00:50:02
a letter like well and it's the envelope it's not like it says Dear Thomas a tril
00:50:08
inside it's the envelope right and then you might know that everything that goes
00:50:13
to his house is addressed this way so you would address it the same way now we do know that the the car was found the
00:50:22
day before exactly where it said it would be found in this letter right um the interesting
00:50:29
thing here the 10cent stamp had been canell that morning so it appears that this would have been it would have had
00:50:37
to been mailed either the night before or the morning of the date of delivery which is December 24th
00:50:45
1974 now a lot of people have suggested early on in this case that one it it states hey we had to get away and it's
00:50:55
written WR supposedly signed by a person that's missing part of the group so they
00:50:59
say that that backs up the runaway Theory then there's other people that state there's no way it could have been
00:51:04
delivered in that short period of time so it must have been wrote in advance and mailed in advance prior to having
00:51:13
taken off um I think law enforcement confirmed later that that was not the case that it was very possible and even
00:51:23
likely that it would have been dropped in a box somewhere on the 23rd or the morning of the as late as the morning of
00:51:32
the 24th right so either the day they went missing or the next morning yeah so you
00:51:39
said Rachel called her husband Tommy but this is is this technically her husband yes at 17 yes so
00:51:50
they've been married for 6 months by the time that she had disappeared okay so it
00:51:54
was the 14-year-old old that got the promise ring from her boyfriend Terry who's 15 okay that's that's where I was
00:52:00
confused I was like wait a second they're married and he's given her a promise ring hey we're I know
00:52:08
we're married but hey I promise to promise to love you well let's talk about the L uh originally in my opinion
00:52:15
looking like an e um now okay it's the not the Rachel that is on the outside of the letter it's on the inside so it's
00:52:24
the bottom on on the letter itself not on the envelope um like I said it appears to most uh what I can gather
00:52:33
most people seem to believe that it looks as if somebody wrote an a cursive e at first and then went back over top
00:52:42
of it making it a cursive L at the end of her name Rachel personally I do believe this I've looked at it quite a
00:52:50
bit and I think that it appears that I don't know why somebody would go back over it and make it look like an e if
00:52:56
they already wrote an L so the only thing that makes sense to me is that somebody either uh missed a step in
00:53:03
their signing of the name or they put an e there first and went back over it to correct it to make it an L the thing
00:53:11
that's strange about that for me is look I've misspelled a lot of words in my day
00:53:17
right I don't recall ever misspelling my name at any point and you know Nick Nicholas I go by nick9 9% of the time 1%
00:53:26
of the time I go by Nicholas and even when I have to pull that up and do it on the quick I never misspell or mis write
00:53:32
my name you know what so that seems very strange to me meaning what I think is it
00:53:38
was written by somebody other than Rachel the other thing that I find to be weird is
00:53:44
that out of the three girls that go missing the middle girl's name is Renee well her name would end with two e
00:53:52
Rachel's name ends with e l MH and somebody having just learned the name of their three captive girls that they have
00:53:59
with them could have made that slip in that process and corrected it yeah or it could be Renee writing the note and her
00:54:07
messing up kind of going into her own name there so that's a possibility but also when you look at the actual letter
00:54:16
part it's very jumbled up mhm uh things are a little too close um there's there's miss the the problem is is
00:54:26
you know if we're going to say this l slash e at the end of Rachel is this big huge mistake and this is a tell well you
00:54:36
can look through the letter and find a bunch of mistakes anyways I mean when you say um how to get
00:54:45
away uh we're going to Houston want to catch there's like a a out of nowhere up here so I don't know what that's from
00:54:58
uh it's above the we're going to Houston and then see you that looks to me as the if they
00:55:06
almost put three e and C mhm see you in about a week um so um and then the way they
00:55:20
like here's okay okay if you look at weak and you look at C that would make me think you're correct
00:55:30
on the mess up mhm because you see how they connect the ease together very rounded at the bottom same thing happens
00:55:39
in Rachel so before where I didn't see the mess up if you look at weak and you put it by Rachel they're going into
00:55:47
their little Loop loopy EAS mhm so that's that is pretty interesting but it's just again it's jumbled so then it
00:55:56
makes you wondered Wonder uh if this was like written and mailed out be before they went to the mall why
00:56:06
not take a little more time to write it out right this seems pretty rushed um I feel like the the letters are
00:56:17
feminine more so then you know like that this is probably written by a female I don't see that personally but the
00:56:29
thing the things that I find weird in this are look we have Rachel's mother Fran Langston she never believed that
00:56:39
this letter came from her daughter Rachel um and then we have Tommy her husband who agrees and even in a recent
00:56:48
interview says quote I never thought it came from Rachel right so do we have Rene's mom saying that this could be her
00:56:55
handwriting that's that's that's interesting that you bring that up because that's not an angle that I
00:57:01
thought of and we don't have any all you have to figure out is these loopy e that's a dead giveaway some somebody
00:57:10
else does these loopy e you see it in C you see it in week and I guarantee somebody knows somebody that does that
00:57:19
well according to law enforcement we have mixed reviews so at first where they believe that the letter is from
00:57:27
Rachel's claiming you know backing up their thought that the girls had run away uh later we have law enforcement
00:57:34
say stating that we gave this letter as well as other uh documents and letters that we collected from Rachel's
00:57:42
belongings and we sent all of them to the FBI what we get back is the detester inconclusive that they can't the FBI
00:57:50
cannot say with 100% certainty that Rachel did not write this letter they cannot say with 100% certainty that
00:57:57
she did write this letter um but the weird thing to me that that really stood out to me is one like I said I've never
00:58:06
misspelled my own name but what can we gather what can we gather from this note there are things that we can say for
00:58:14
certain that that are our certainties regarding the information that's on the envelope and within the letter itself
00:58:21
one that we can say with the certainty is either the the the author of this letter either
00:58:27
knew Rachel or abducted her and then got information from her MH and what I mean by that is
00:58:37
look if if if she was abducted and she had her driver's license on her it might have that address she's only been
00:58:44
married for 6 months let's say it does have that address on her driver's license well that you can send the
00:58:49
letter that way what's not going to be on her driver's license is the proper spelling of her husband's name mhm okay
00:58:56
so either this individual that wrote the letter knew Rachel knew new information
00:59:02
personal information about her or got that information directly from her as she was being held captive yeah or if
00:59:10
you have the address there's probably a way that they could look that up but it seems like you'd have to know more to be
00:59:17
able to say I I I don't understand what the motive for writing the letter would be if you captured it's to buy time it's
00:59:28
to buy time to to to let the loved ones and let law enforcement think that I because look they they specifically
00:59:36
point they point to a large city right but you're going to Houston well that's difficult it's not like they're saying
00:59:43
went to take off to Houston Went to went to Grove City where there's you know 30,000 people or I don't even know how
00:59:50
many people live here these days but you pick a city like Houston you know went to New York City well that's a there's a
00:59:56
lot of people that visit my city thank you very much no I know that but we have some Brewer breweries now we have some
01:00:03
great craft bars craft beer bars right but regardless of how fancy your city is if you are an abductor and you want to
01:00:12
buy time you're going to say hey we took off had to get away for a while went to
01:00:17
a big city you're not going to mention a little city and then on top of that they
01:00:22
put a time period in there see you and about a week mhm obvious to me that whoever wrote this letter is trying to
01:00:29
buy a week's worth of time but hold on a second so you send the letter just to one person thinking that well since
01:00:39
Rachel was seene with these two other girls that Thomas is going to let everybody know is that the idea cuz I
01:00:48
think if that was the idea to buy time like and and you're having these girls write the letters for you anyways why
01:00:55
not just write three letters no I get I get what you're saying and and then every family gets a thing going hey
01:01:03
we're going to Houston we'll see you in about a week right so I I don't know it's
01:01:11
uh it's very strange I mean I get your point yes it could buy you time but to me then everybody else is going well
01:01:19
where's the other two girls why are they gone and why and then why would Rachel take but the letter speaks to that says
01:01:27
we had to get away with the 9-year-old that you never hung out with that you know what I mean
01:01:35
it's not supposed to make sense right but what I'm saying is it's you just said that it's the buy
01:01:43
time well you ask you ask why would anybody C take these girls captive and then send a letter and that's the only
01:01:50
reason I can think of no right which I understand but what I'm saying saying is because the letter doesn't make any
01:01:56
sense that it's it's a red flag you know what I mean it's like all it does is add another red flag is what I'm
01:02:06
saying like girls are missing if you think that you're going to send this letter and it's going to ease
01:02:12
everybody's mind and stop looking for them to me this is like oh [ __ ] something bad happen oh I see what
01:02:20
you're saying you see what I'm saying like when I'm getting the letter I'm not just all of a sudden gonna be at ease
01:02:26
because I got this letter I'm gonna go this makes zero sense now I'm more heightened I'm now more worried mhm as
01:02:34
as opposed to just well maybe there's some because it is 74 there's a if if if they went back to their car maybe the
01:02:41
car didn't start maybe people didn't check that like you start going through all these things did they just go just
01:02:49
get something to eat or do they just go here or maybe they're at somebody's house right maybe
01:02:55
you know we can't find them right now but maybe they just stayed out too late and then they decided to go back to
01:02:59
Rene's house or you know I mean you get this letter the next day going we went to Houston that's what
01:03:08
I'm saying it's the next day of going oh [ __ ] there's something really wrong here
01:03:14
well and I think that's why you have a discrepancy between the way that the family remembers this case and the way
01:03:21
that law enforcement remember this case okay so you might have law enforcement saying well and we do know that they
01:03:27
said that look we thought they ran away here's this letter saying that they ran away and then you have the families
01:03:33
saying all along we never believe this letter came from Rachel and we tried to tell the police that so that's why you
01:03:40
have that and keep in mind too does it make any sense to send a letter is that the best idea that you can come up with
01:03:46
after you abduct uh three children mhm it's what I mean by it's not supposed to make sense is it doesn't make sense to
01:03:55
abduct three children that's not what normal people do so there is no normal once you've committed that act and this
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might just be a knee-jerk reaction to try to throw somebody off the scent to buy yourself some time maybe it's a
01:04:10
panic maybe it's a panic move MH but the regardless of whatever it is or the reasoning behind it it's a clue whether
01:04:18
it came from Rachel whether it came whe whether she was forced to write it whether she wrote it of her own will or
01:04:25
if somebody else wrote it for her pretending to be her regardless it's a clue and the other thing that makes me
01:04:32
think that Rachel did not write this letter was I tried to over and over again I tried to recreate the way that
01:04:40
the r looks and her name signed on the letter and it looks to me to be a very it's not a smooth motion to make that r
01:04:50
that is a is a weird R I couldn't see somebody that's probably signed her name a thousand times by the time that she
01:04:57
was 17 having that weird looking R and to have to contort her hand and pick it pick the pen up off of the paper maybe
01:05:06
even more than once uh twice to get that R written it just doesn't seem like a natural motion to me well that really
01:05:14
blows my theory on the idea that it was Renee that wrote the letter she was probably forced to write that letter by
01:05:20
somebody but it would be her because that would make that would be the only reason why would' be tossing a double e
01:05:27
at the end the reason why I say that is because somebody that has a double e at the end of their name what becomes
01:05:35
second nature to you because you sign your name so much double e right they become second nature to you mhm and then
01:05:43
if you look at the ease and weak and you look at the ease and see it's almost like second nature double e yeah I
01:05:50
almost think that if if uh abductor or somebody involved with the abductor was writing this out there's a chance that
01:05:57
they could have just made a quick slip of the mind and we have two two victims Rachel and Renee and oh brain fart slip
01:06:06
of the hand and and wrote two e there on accident now more importantly I think is
01:06:12
what about that weird postal code so there's no city name on the postmark only the post service number
01:06:20
76083 with the three backwards here's the speculation maybe the person who stamped it was a little light on the
01:06:29
right hand side of the stamp and it's not a backwards three but it's an unfinished
01:06:36
eight I think that this would make sense because this would make the postal code
01:06:41
from where the letter was mailed as 76088 so if that were the the intended postal code or the correct postal code
01:06:50
mhm uh the letter would have come from somewhere and whether Weatherford Texas Weatherford is about 35 to 40 uh 35 to
01:06:58
40 minute drive from the Center of Fort Worth now we have another thought though
01:07:06
perhaps as private investigator Dan James believes the last two digits of the stamp were hand loaded and put in
01:07:15
the wrong way so it is supposed to be 38 if it is 38 or 38 then it may have been
01:07:24
stamped in Eliza I'm sorry elizaville which is a little further away this is a 2hour drive east of Fort
01:07:33
Worth still in the great state of Texas Captain do you have a preference or or Theory as to whether you believe
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it's supposed to be a 38 like Dan James says or supposed to be an 88 at the end of the postal code no I think all it
01:07:50
really proves is that it came from somewhere else you know it came from either somebody a half half an hour away
01:07:58
or an hour away again that to me leads more to abduction than these girls running away and so again I this letter
01:08:09
in general doesn't make a lot of sense to me I have a strong preference on which I think is correct so I like the
01:08:18
7688 Weatherford postal code and what I mean by that is that I think it's easy for me to believe that the stamp was
01:08:25
just not applied all of the way this would be a very and more common mistake I would have to believe the the postal
01:08:33
code being loaded wrong seems to me like a very like a stretch like it's it's a reach for me and what I mean by that is
01:08:43
it's a postal code you you load your stamp once okay if if you hand loaded that and you loaded it incorrectly then
01:08:54
you would think that this would not be the only letter that has this code wrong now it is the only letter that's being
01:09:00
examined in such a way that people would notice this it's it's there's a chance that it was never noticed or what that
01:09:07
the guy did the guy or girl did it once and corrected themselves and and it was forever
01:09:12
fixed well or again that's if you're believing that the post office is stamping this code I
01:09:20
mean it's possible that um the abductor would be able to would have a postal code stamp an official I'm just
01:09:30
saying it's possible it's not possible I agree so then that leads you to believe
01:09:35
if it was somebody doing that they're changing that number to throw you off for whatever reason right
01:09:42
so but sounds like the dumbest crime but it's like man if you can get your hands
01:09:46
on one of those you're not paying for postage well but here's here's the reason why like
01:09:52
76088 better than that it was loaded wrong not only because I think this would be a more common issue I mean to
01:10:01
this day man I get letters that the the stamp is only halfway on there or partially on there they stamp hundreds
01:10:08
and thousands of these things maybe even daily this has got to be a common issue
01:10:13
the other thing too is if you load a stamp wrong how many times are you loading the postal code of a stamp that
01:10:19
you're using every day guess what if you load it correctly you only load it once
01:10:24
maybe in your entire career it's not like you're loading a date stamp where you change it every day when you come
01:10:30
into work because you have to put a new date today's current date on the item that you're stamping unless you're
01:10:36
responsible for multiple locations and then you have to stamps you know I got to stamp all these once I'm done I
01:10:42
change stamp all these then once I'm done with that pile change again unless that's your job I mean I don't know i'
01:10:49
never worked for the Post Office gotcha but but my belief is that this would be a a mistake that more likely leans to
01:10:58
the fact of being just not applied fully MH it's it's weird though it's it's strange well it's strange but I think
01:11:07
also at the end of the day whether the the abductor is changing this themselves whether it's just a mistake maybe
01:11:15
they're having the person change it who knows but chances are they're dropping off if they didn't change it they're
01:11:23
dropping off in a postal Co code to throw you off of something is what my belief would be you know they're not
01:11:31
going to you know abduct you in Columbus Ohio and then send you know go down to the local post office and go hey can you
01:11:40
mail this letter out for me MH is is what I believe right so they could easily drive to a blue box somewhere and
01:11:48
drop it in the box that's what I'm saying I think um you you know and you think that
01:11:55
possibly they would do that to throw him off the scent but I would also wonder where is this in location to not only
01:12:03
the car and the mall they went missing from but where is it in location to Houston Texas is it on the way or is it
01:12:09
not on the way neither of them would be on the way right so so they would both be east of Fort Worth like I said I
01:12:16
think no no no I lied west of Fort Worth yeah and I I really just think the this
01:12:22
this letter and General is just a huge red flag that something really bad has happened interestingly enough Captain I
01:12:29
did find one article that states that the letter was later obviously much later tested for DNA or touch DNA and
01:12:37
the test results come back that it did not match the girls or anyone else in their
01:12:52
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