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Ohio State Route 47 is a Highway running from the Indiana border at Union City to
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the Village of Waldo it was State Route 68 until 1933 when US Route 68 was commissioned
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since both roads run through a common County Logan in Ohio and since there is a rule that there can be no Ohio State
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routes with the same number as US Highways within Ohio the number was changed to 47 Logan County Ohio the
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county is 467 square miles and as of the 2010 census there was under 46,000 people living in Logan County the county
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is beautiful points of interest include Mad River Mountain an Indian Lake most of the news good and bad coming out of
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this area is provided from papers housed in nearby or neighboring cities most coming out of Dayton in Springfield Ohio
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on an even more local level in the May 24th edition of the Bell Fountain examiner there was a picture of a young
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man above the picture it says Riverside High School and you see a picture of a smiling 18-year-old wearing a dark
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colored t-shirt with just enough gel in his hair to not only hold the hair in place but also maintaining that wet look
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he was going for this was an advertisement congratulating the young man on his high
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school graduation his grandparents who placed the ad included a simple and straightforward message to their
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grandson that read good luck in your future Scott Moody love Grandma Grandpa Schaefer Scott was lucky enough to have
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a second congratulatory ad placed for him which again featured his high school senior photo this ad was from his mother
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and sister and read good luck and have fun less than a week later grandma grandpa mother sister and Scott Moody
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would once again make the paper but this time it was not for celebration no this time the news was
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only bad all bad you could read the articles for the details but the headlines were stunning
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and jaw-dropping one read no one knows what caused Carnage and in big bold black letters on the front page of the
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Dayton Daily News it read slangs stun Logan County this is true crime garage and this is the story of The Moody
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Massacre [Music] Scott Moody was born in belfountain Ohio for those not familiar belfountain is a
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great Community the captain and I have been there on more than one occasion belfountain is about on an hour's Drive
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Northwest of where we are in Columbus Ohio located in Logan County and just to give everyone an idea the population
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back in 2011 was estimated at just between 13 and 14,000 residents so this is a small community Scott was born in
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the summer of 1986 he's the son of Steve Moody and Sherry K schaer Scott lived in
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Bell Fountain with his mother and sister Stacy Moody they attended the first First United Methodist Church Scott's
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father lived nearby in degraph Ohio with his other Sons this is Scott's half Brothers Stephen Christopher and Adam
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his family at least on his mother's side are all Farmers Scott included his family own Shaker Farms that's s
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ha- ker Farms Scott showed cattle in the Logan County and Ohio State winning several trophies and awards Scott was a
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member of both the Riverside FFA and the Liberty livestock 4 club for those wondering the FFA stands for Future
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Farmers of America and is a large Nationwide group that teaches leadership personal growth and Career Success
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Through agricultural education the 4 program is similar to the FFA but probably even larger at least it seems
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to be more popular here in Ohio the four hes stand for head heart hands and health I thought two of them stood for
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hoof hearted because they were farmers and had plenty of land to work Scott's grandparents Gary and Cheryl schaer who
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we referenced in the trailer they lived just a quarter of a mile away the two houses were surrounded by corn and
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soybean Fields they lived on Ohio Route 47 so both Scots mother's house and his grandparents home share a large property
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along Route 47 on Sunday morning May 29th 2005 at 10:35 a.m. an emergency services call came in from an obviously
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panicked woman identifying herself as Nicole according to the Dayton Daily News her voice trembled as she scrambled
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to explain to the lifeline why she was calling and what she was seeing during the placement of this call right
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because it's not a normal 911 call it's not we have an emergency happening right
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now it is we have wreckage and and this is the aftermath of the crime yeah that's right Nicole tells Emergency
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Services the following my sister just called me and said her mom and her had been beaten up and her mom isn't waking
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up Nicole goes on to say I can't wake her mom up I can't feel a pulse and then she cried out oh my God Scott the son
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and girlfriend are beat up too this is all from the Dayton Daily News Now a sheriff's deputy arrived a short time
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later after the call two times are reported for his arrival one at 10:45 and one at 10:46 this is Deputy wrick
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keep in mind the sheriff's department is nearby so Wyrick the first responding officer was at the scene within seconds
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of the end of this emergency call so first he finds Nicole and her boyfriend Jeff the two that had went out to the
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house and placed the emergency call then the deputy finds Stacy Moody who is covered in blood she's sitting in a
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recliner in the living room she had moved around the house quite a bit before the sheriff had arrived and we'll
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get into that in a bit she had been shot twice in the neck 19-year-old Megan carus was found nearby
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lying on a love seat shot in the upper neck found in an upstairs bedroom was Sherry schaer she's the mother found in
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her bed lying on her back in another bedroom there were two bodies one was 14-year-old Paige harshberger shot in
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the left temple and then ly she's lying on her right side facing the wall now next to her in the same bed shirtless
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wearing jeans covered in blood legs dangling off the edge of the bed and according to sheriff Henry's full
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investigative report carried by the Associated Press clutching a 22 rifle thumb on the trigger shot twice was
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Scott Moody the first shot going through his neck and into his sinus cavity investigators believe that he then
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switched hands repositioned himself and put the Barrel in his mouth and again pulled the trigger Stacy was the only
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one alive four people were dead so let's go through this real quick here Captain
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before we move on because all of this stuff is going to be very important as we go through this that we have a
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complete understanding of what the first responding officer is seeing again this
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is Deputy Wyrick he's responding to the scene where he meets Nicole and her boyfriend friend Jeff inside the Moody
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home we find Stacy which she is the daughter that lives there okay she's 15 years old right she's in very bad shape
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clinging to life she's the one that called Nicole saying hey I'm beat up and my mom's beat up too and I can't wake
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her up right let's keep in mind she's saying beat up because she's been shot twice the trauma she probably doesn't
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fully understand what's going on at this point she might have been shot and then
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actually blacked out so she might not even realize that she's been shot yeah on the ground level they find uh Megan
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carus she's 19 years old okay then upstairs we find three bodies we find the mother we find the mother Sher K
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Schaefer who's 37 she is Scott and Stacy's mother we also find in his bedroom Scott Moody who's 18 years old
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and his girlfriend Paige harshberger who's 14 years old where we're being told that we find Scott with two gunshot
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wounds and he's holding a rifle he's got his thumb on the trigger yeah they believe these to be self-inflicted so
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you can kind of deduce that we have a family that has been murdered and then the person that murdered them Scott took
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his own life mhm but it becomes strange because there's two gunshot wounds that Scott quote unquote
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inflicted into himself mhm yeah and so Deputy Wyrick first on the scene he describes several of the bodies he found
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as either blue or gray in color other than the blood stains for the most part they look like they were just sleeping
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that these people were just sleeping but they were blue or gray and cold yeah family members dead in their sleep it
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kind of reminds you of the defos the amville horror why Rick ask Stacy several questions but she again is
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barely hanging on she has been shot twice and had lost a lot of blood by this point she was going in and out and
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only answered three questions this is as other deputies were arriving on the scene yeah do we know what those three
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questions were yeah the three questions she was able to answer now I want you to
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keep in mind she was asked more than just three questions she's only able to provide answers to three cuz again she's
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going in and out at this point the questions she answered were what is your name to which she says Stacy Moody
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how old are you she says 15 do you know who did this she says no just before being placed in the back
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of an ambulance she was asked again by a different officer do you know who did this and she says no now thankfully
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Stacy is still alive at this time however law enforcement has they're not able to gain any insight into what she
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may have witness saw or heard or what have you they were pushing her for these answers especially because she was in
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such bad shape she is near death you know they right if she if she passes away shortly after this we need to get
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some information from her before because that was a reality here MH so they rushed her out of the scene uh she would
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be placed into a helicopter and they're going to have a LifeLight they're going to have to LifeLight this poor Stacy to
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Ohio State University Hospital in Columbus Ohio so it was Stacy who called Nicole to come to the house because she
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and her mother had been quote beaten up and we already said that Stacy was going
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in and out of Consciousness and this was immediately as she woke up you know she's blacking out moving around
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blacking out and the reason for this we've been beaten up I've been beaten up my mother's been beaten up that
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description I think comes from a couple of things one she wakes up in obvious pain hor horrific pain and does not
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fully know why but two her mother who she would have seen lying face up in her bed she appeared to have what what would
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look like two black eyes but this was only really due to the fact that she had been she had been shot in the head she
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had not been beaten up in fact later the Logan County Sheriff's Office would say
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that they saw no signs of a struggle at all and there were no defensive wounds on any of the victims well and she was
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found in her bed too so we could assume that she was possibly asleep mhm so deputies say it was then that
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they went to investigate the neighboring Farmhouse there they had to kick in the
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door they found two bodies on the kitchen floor this is 67-year-old Gary schaer and 66-year-old Cheryl SU
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shaer they were in the process of cooking breakfast uh they found the sheriff found two glasses of orange
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juice on the table and eggs were out ready to be cooked mhm both had been shot in the upper
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neck we will know from eyewitnesses and from just the general timeline that whatever went down that killed all six
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of these people and left Stacy clinging to life it went down between 6:00 a.m. and when
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the emergency call was placed at 10:35 in the morning this all on May 29th so we know that it was after 6:00
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a.m. or have reason to believe that it was after 6:00 a.m. because there were other people that stayed at the Moody
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house the night before so we had three individuals this is uh Brett Davidson he was somebody who um he was another high
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school student we have Jason sutherly this I believe is Sher K Schaefer's boyfriend the mother's
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boyfriend he left sometime that morning and I'm a little confused on exactly what time he left but we also have
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Andrew Denny who left uh this is Stacy's friend we know that he was there he said
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that he watched a movie played some pool and left sometime early in the morning but does not provide a time the reason
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why we believe that all of this stuff went down after 6:00 a.m. is because the first person I mentioned Brett Davidson
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he says that he left the Moody at 6:00 a.m. and everything was fine at that point all right so we have three
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individuals that were there the day of this massacre they claimed that there was no problems no trouble when they
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left correct everything would have been fine at that point and we can look if we
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believe their statements I think it would have been obvious if any of this had gone down beforehand obviously you
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would have somebody would have heard gunshots but not only that one maybe maybe not though I mean we we don't know
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how large this property is I mean it is a farm right but these individuals were inside the Moody home so we're not
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talking about a great amount of distance between them but that's if we believe them right correct but then you also
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have the fact that that we have Megan carus her her body was found on the ground level so right somebody may have
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had to walk past her body to go out the door but I guess we also have the deputy
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saying other than the blood stains it almost appeared that these people were just asleep yeah see I also wondered due
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to the color of the bodies how long they were were there and it seems to me like
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if you're getting a call at 10:00 and this happens between 7 and 10 a small 3-hour window
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is that enough time for these bodies to turn this purplish gray color that the officers were saying that they were uh
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also makes me wonder if and I would assume they did this but uh did they test for any ballistics on these
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individuals to see if they fired a gun that day well no pun intended you're jumping the gun a bit but what I do like
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and I have to agree with you 100% here Captain you're saying right from Jump Street you got some questions there's
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some questions here M so I should point out that this May 29th 2005 this was also the day of the local high school
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graduation ceremony both Scott Moody and Megan carus 18 and 19 respectively were a part
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of that graduating class right so they would have been walking across the stage that night right that day and and
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obviously they're not going to be attending the ceremony in fact the school was actually notified of their
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deaths just a couple of minutes I mean literally a couple of minutes before the ceremony was to begin mhm their chairs
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remained empty for the entirety of the graduation and as soon as the ceremony ended immediately after you know the
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Caps were tossed in the air and the cheering was over the tassel moved from one side of the hat to the other side
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students parents teachers and everyone present was told two of their own were killed that morning wow now the
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sheriff's department tried to keep the announcement of the deaths lowkey so that the other local kids could enjoy
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their achievement they didn't make the statement during the commencement speech right it but it sounds like some of the
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kids kind of knew something was going on small town so small town and people were
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saying that as the ceremony was proceeding and as it drug on that they were you could tell by the faces that
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you know these somebody knew something and was probably Whispering it to somebody else and it was making its way
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around to to everyone so the sheriff's department they announced to news and media Outlets that they would hold a
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press conference later that same day at the sheriff's office now I want to point
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out something that I find to be incredibly strange here Captain mhm later on a local Reverend this is Reverend
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Jones would tell people that he heard on his police scanner you know he's he's listening in at home right he says he
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heard on the scanner at noon that day the day of the shooting that the sheriff had closed the investigation he says it
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was quote declared closed mind you this is at noon and we already reported that the first Deputy arrived at the scene
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according to the reports at either 1045 or 10:46 a.m. so so an hour and 15 minutes and you're able to close a case
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it's solved baby wow Sher loock dickweed we figured it out so clearly you're as surprised as I was by that statement
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that's ridiculous now but now we don't know if that that's true though correct this is this is what one man says M he's
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a reverend so I'm giving him a little little credit here I'd like to know what he looks like well we're going to get a
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general rundown of what happened who is responsible and why right because remember what the sheriff said that
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morning we will have a press conference coming up scheduled by the sheriff all set for 700 p.m. and Captain I wanted to
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read this directly from a book called saving Stacy by Rob stclair uh that covers this case The
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Moody Massacre so this is from Pages 36 and 37 at 7 p.m. Sunday evening Logan County Sheriff Michael Henry
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straightened his wrinkled t-shirt adjusted his Dale nhart Jr ball cap and stepped before a crowded group of
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reporters representing local state and National media Outlets he says quote it's tough on us
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we knew these people we're familiar with these kids I feel so badly for these families this community you can't
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imagine what it's like to deal with this when you have six victims it's very horrendous it was a rampage these are
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the most tragic shootings I've seen in this County in my 31 years here because of the sheer number of all of the young
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victims Sheriff Henry waited a moment before he explained the details he estimated that between 7 a.m. and 10:
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a.m. Sunday morning 18-year-old Scott Moody got out of his bed loaded a 22 caliber semi-automatic rifle walked A4
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mile to his grandparents home and shot them as they made breakfast investigators had found Gary schaer age
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67 and his wife Cheryl Schaefer age 66 dead on their kitchen floor the sheriff went on to say that Scott most probably
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crossed back over cropfields to his adjacent house reloaded the rifle and went from bedroom to bedroom shooting
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people as they slept the sheriff commented that he believed the sequence was that Scott first shot Riverside High
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School student Megan carus age 19 then his mother Sher K Schaefer age 37 then his girlfriend Riverside High School
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student Paige harshberger aged 14 then his sister Stacy Moody age 15 and finally
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Stacy by Rob stclair on our Instagram page as well it's a fantastic book and obviously it will be this week's
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recommended reading I do want to get into some let's say nitpicking here before we get too far along in the story
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here C or Nick picking well this is I'm probably going to get some criticism for
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saying this but I can't help myself we can only hope yes Let the hate mail roll um at the start of Rob
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Sinclair's uh description of this Sheriff's press conference he describes the sheriff sheriff Henry what he's
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wearing he's wearing a wrinkled t-shirt and a Dale nhart Jr baseball cap right look I don't want to be too
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critical but we we I want to commend for the sheriff for his words okay they were
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powerful words and they were emotional it was an emotional statement and I also get that it was a holiday weekend the
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sheriff probably was off for the weekend and did not intend on working that day was Pro was called in because of this
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horrible Massacre that took place however this is a press conference in front of local state and even National
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media Outlets you are an an elected official if there ever was a time that that community and his words he says
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that the community he feels bad for this community if there ever was a time that
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the community needed to see the uniform it was that day yeah it was at that press conference you had the chance
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to be the night in shining armor and and and be the one that stood up there you you are supposed to be the face of
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protect and serve and this Community is hurting at this time and you're wearing a NASCAR hat and they don't have all the
00:31:32
answers so they're probably also scared and nervous correct correct and look if if it was just like uh if it just
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happened that press conference just naturally organically happened right at the scene of the crime or whatever and
00:31:48
he was forced to answer some questions I get it that you're not in uniform he probably rushed to the scene but he
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scheduled he's the one that scheduled the press conference at his office for 7:00 p.m. so there was time to look the
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part let's say right now if the sheriff and his men are correct if they are right well then this is a closed case
00:32:10
but we have as we said questions but we also have a major issue that is going to
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take place Stacy the sole survivor she says she would later say mind you she's in very bad shape right
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she would later say that she saw the shooter and it was not her brother Scott Moody so here's what Stacy had to say
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let's keep in mind again her fragile state they had to Life Flight her to the best hospital in the area to save her
00:32:43
life right she was supposed to die later she would say that the medical professionals that saved her life
00:32:51
intended to her they didn't even fully understand how or why she survived but she did so when she was being asked
00:33:01
questioned by uh as she lay in the hospital bed I don't think we should assume that
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she knew what fully happened meaning she may not know that most of her family was
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killed at that point when she's answering these questions she may not know that the Logan County Sheriff's
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Office had closed the case and announced to the public that her brother was a shooter so let's go back and using
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Stacy's words walk through what she says that she witnessed that Sunday morning she says she woke up but nothing in
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particular woke her up but when she wakes up she sees a man standing over her bed and holding a gun she would go
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on to say that she did not know the man but he was older with gray hair and wearing a blue shirt
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so I read two versions of this statement here and I'm I'm unable to discern which
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is in fact correct you know which is the truth uh I guess really though the truth
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is Captain we we may not know and Stacy just might not know for sure herself but
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she said that the man that she described as either a medium build or a larger build we'll come back to this
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description in a minute now describing the gun she said it had a huge Barrel as soon as she sees the gun
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mind you she is just eyes open still lying down she's not up she's not standing the man shoots her in the neck
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she said he then walks out of the room and she hears two gunshots then the man returned to the room and again over top
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of Stacy shoots her a second time then again he leaves the room and Stacy says she then heard two more
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gunshots now back to the description stacy says she does not know the man so obviously it's not Scott and
00:35:14
Scott's description well my description of Scott anyway he's 18 years old a bit of a baby face 5'8 135 lbs so a smaller
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frame a smaller build yeah he's got short brown hair and deputies say that Scott was not
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wearing a shirt when they found his body in his room stacy says the man that she
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saw that shot her was wearing a blue shirt right doesn't mean that he couldn't have taken off the shirt though
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correct now on July 20th 2005 Stacy she spent 12 days at OSU many of them in the
00:35:53
ICU she is quoted in the Dayton Daily News news is saying I didn't realize what happened I had no clue I don't
00:36:00
remember hardly anything I remember the last 4 days in the hospital but other than that it's just bits and pieces the
00:36:08
gunshots shattered two of her vertebrae severed an artery leading to her brain and damaged her vocal
00:36:17
cords another very sad part of this story because Stacy was hospitalized fighting for her life she was actually
00:36:25
unable to attend the services for her friends her brother her grandparents and her mother
00:36:33
right it's also tough though here too because we know that she has a lot of trauma and it kind of reminds you of
00:36:40
like Central Park 5 case where the victim doesn't have much of a memory about the case now her memory in that
00:36:49
case in the Central Park 5 case never really comes back so there is no details at all but you just also Wonder with
00:36:57
these accounts of uh a larger older man that she didn't know is this something that she um in her State dreamt up or
00:37:09
misremembered or or what yeah so if anybody's having a hard time figuring it out we're pointing out that there there
00:37:18
are some questions about this case we have the sheriff's department saying Scott Moody 18 years old who was
00:37:24
scheduled to graduate that day killed basically you know most of his family right it's only because his father lives
00:37:32
yeah and kills himself and then we have Stacy saying my brother was not the shooter and I wanted to point out a
00:37:39
couple couple of things here and that was kind of a long way for me to to to go on about it but I wanted to point out
00:37:46
two two things one when she's being asked at stuff in the hospital again she may not know at that
00:37:53
time that the Sheriff's Office announced that her brother was the shooter I think
00:37:58
that's important to keep that in our minds when we're trying to figure out is Stacy's story correct because if she's
00:38:06
telling the truth and if she is spoton if she's remembering everything correctly right then we we have a
00:38:15
missing shooter here somewhere and somebody made it look like Scott Moody killed all these people well and also we
00:38:22
have two shots to a to a guy committing suicide which is rare in itself yeah very it does happen it does you know
00:38:30
some people immediately see that and go oh my god well he couldn't have killed himself he shot himself twice right but
00:38:36
you also have a whole community that is saying this is not yes not in the realm of
00:38:43
possibilities that this kid is capable of doing something like this thank you for saying that and and I think part of
00:38:50
the thing too is not only do we have Stacy saying that my brother wasn't the shooter we have the Community a lot of
00:38:57
people in the community are saying he probably we don't believe he was the shooter and they they call that into
00:39:03
question and call that into major doubt because I think the Sheriff's Office was
00:39:08
so quick to announce that Scott was the shooter yeah again that's just it feels like we don't have a thorough
00:39:16
investigation here I get that you found a gun in somebody's hands yes but then then here's the argument too and I think
00:39:24
we should spend some of this time going through some of these things as to calling question if Scott was the
00:39:31
shooter or if he was not what points to him being the shooter what points to him
00:39:35
not being the shooter so right from the get here we have a problem because we have the deputy who says I found Scott
00:39:45
Moody his his legs are hanging off of the edge of the bed you can find pictures of this on the
00:39:53
internet and you can see his legs off of the the bed at the at the bottom of the
00:39:58
bed now he says that he found this rifle in Scotts you know he's clutching the rifle he's got his thumb on the trigger
00:40:09
there was an EMT worker who said that no I saw the gun it was near Scott but it w
00:40:16
you know it was within Arm's Reach but he was not holding the gun when I saw him right again that's a simple test we
00:40:23
can find out if Scott shot a gun that day or not yes and could you find that anywhere
00:40:31
because I could not nope that was the first question I had I'm like if if there's a big question if if Scott was a
00:40:38
family Annihilator and killed himself or did somebody try to frame this poor 18-year-old
00:40:45
kid why don't we just test him for GSR and then announce it to the public we we tested him for GSR we did we ran
00:40:54
ballistics on all the bullets that we found and they all came from this one gun that was in his possession now I do
00:41:01
want to point out something here real quick but there's an argument that it's not even in his possession right right
00:41:06
and I do want to I do want to point out a couple things here though it is possible that he did kill himself and
00:41:16
somehow the gun got worked from him you know what I mean like that happens right
00:41:22
we one we know we have Stacy moving around the house and it doesn't seem like she's quite clear on what she was
00:41:28
doing you know she she was not shot where she was found once the First Responders arrived she was not found
00:41:35
where she was shot when her sister Nicole arrived we also have Nicole and Jeff who ran through the scene checking
00:41:42
people as they call emergency services and then of course we're going to have deputies in EMT who are moving things
00:41:49
around at this crime scene as well but you have this individual Scott 18 years old what's his motive I mean we know
00:41:57
that he's graduating from high school this is a big step in a a kid's life probably the biggest step uh to
00:42:05
date he's graduating high school he's he's becoming a man and and he wants to be a farmer so that's already the
00:42:12
family's business so he's going to go straight from graduating to working the job that he wants to work and there's a
00:42:19
lot of people in this country that don't get to wake up every day and do what they love to do that's what he was set
00:42:25
up to do so what's the motive well this case in a way not only does it remind me of Amityville [ __ ] but it it
00:42:36
also reminds me in a way of John Benet Ramsey what did we find when we took a deep dive into the Ramsay case we found
00:42:44
that every bit of information out there was like a coin it had two sides to it mhm one where everybody suggests hey
00:42:53
this item points towards the parents having killed this little girl the other side of the coin saying this proves that
00:43:00
they're innocent with with Scott Moody what I found throughout this was every statement is contradicted by a complete
00:43:10
opposite statement so we have and it's not just Stacy Moody that says this there's a
00:43:17
um there's a documentary it's short it's good it's on YouTube called porcelain dolls it's Stacy's story they interview
00:43:26
Stacy for this documentary it's about 20 maybe 30 minutes long right I re recommend that you watch that as well
00:43:34
but she says in this documentary and she said it other times as well everyone in
00:43:39
the community the entire Community said that Scott would never do this and I saw
00:43:46
that in the newspapers as well I even saw his former stepfather who lived with him for many years I believe they
00:43:55
divorced 3 years before the shooting he says Scott would have never done this but we have some other things that
00:44:05
say maybe he might have done this okay those are what so let's go through this what we know about Scott Moody one we
00:44:14
know that he was or is reported to have been close with his mom but had not seen
00:44:19
his father since he was 16 years old and this is by Scott's own choosing he decided he didn't like his father his
00:44:27
father lived a short drive away from where Scott lived he chose not to see him now Stacy when she survives this
00:44:35
tragedy she would go to live with her biological father afterwards he had a weird girlfriend
00:44:42
situation okay some people point out uh his girlfriend's 14 some people get angry about
00:44:50
that I get it 1814 seems a little weird to me but I remember when I was in high school there was a lot of high school
00:44:57
seniors that had freshman girlfriends yeah so when you were a senior you only dated 14year olds is
00:45:04
what you're saying no not me I'm the reason why I remember it was because when I was a freshman there was a couple
00:45:10
of couple of girls that I liked and I'm like oh I don't one I probably didn't have a shot anyway but they were dating
00:45:16
seniors I mean I knew you in high school you definitely didn't have a shot so the girlfriend situation is a little
00:45:24
weird his girlfriend the current girlfriend that was killed that day that was found next to him right she's 14 he
00:45:33
knows her because she is was and probably was at the at the time still a very close friend with his little sister
00:45:41
Stacy right makes less awkward though yeah they had only been dating for I believe two or three weeks at that time
00:45:50
though right I think what I find strange about the relationship 1814 is that it seems like it was okay that she was
00:45:57
staying the night that night is what I'm guessing at a little strange but I guess
00:46:02
if you're her parents and you don't know that he's dating her then you just think
00:46:05
she's staying with Stacy right anyway let's move past that what I bring that all up because he had a long-term
00:46:13
girlfriend who split up with him within just a couple of months before this the shooting mhm so he's coming off of a
00:46:23
long-term relationship where the girlfriend broke it off and she says later she says I broke it off because of
00:46:31
because of his anger issues that he would he would you know break into these anger fits out of
00:46:39
nowhere okay so that's evidence the point that it's possible yeah and maybe this is just something that he just
00:46:46
never showed to people at school it's that's a possibility cuz he wouldn't want to get in trouble and so
00:46:53
now you're at your house and you don't have a male figure in your life that's a hierarchy in your house the only
00:47:03
hierarchy you have is your mother and but that might not stop you from going into these
00:47:10
tantrums right so we have a we have a community that says Scott would never do this but we have three people who make
00:47:19
statements that make it sound like he might do something like this we already covered the girlfriend right these are
00:47:25
all statements three sources that say he was short-tempered he was angry and even
00:47:30
abusive at times there was the girlfriend the former girlfriend I'm sorry a domestic violence counselor says
00:47:39
that she was called by Scott's mom this was um I think three months two or three
00:47:46
months before the shooting his mother calls saying I want help because I want to remove my abusive
00:47:53
son from my home wow that was her statement M then we have um okay so the former girlfriend her name
00:48:01
is Amanda Arthur and she said that he scared her um and at one point he even said to her that he wanted to kill them
00:48:12
all referring to members of his family yeah or possibly the Metallica album right he would he would blow up for no
00:48:22
reason as she said but then there was other times that she would he would call her crying on the phone and she said
00:48:29
it's was like for no reason she couldn't figure out what was going on with him well this is possibly one of the reasons
00:48:35
why he didn't want to have a relationship with his father maybe his father was trying to be the authority
00:48:40
figure and he didn't want that and if you have these temper tantrums and it's not against your mother that maybe is
00:48:46
afraid of you or physically doesn't think she can control you in any manner that maybe his father could and that's
00:48:54
why he didn't want to be around around his father so Stacy's father is the third source for statements saying that
00:49:03
Scott was short-tempered angry and abusive he says that when Stacy survived and went to come live with him that
00:49:11
during that time she Stacy the Survivor tells him that in the months leading up to the shooting that Scott quit
00:49:21
referring to his mother as Mom or mother or Mama whatever he was calling her by her first name at
00:49:29
that point and according to Stacy again this is from her father said that Scott was to the point where he was hitting
00:49:37
and cursing his mother yeah and I I tried that whole thing for a while where you call your parents by their first
00:49:44
names it lasted like two days and and they were extremely upset well and then you have you have
00:49:53
another thing too right A lot of people say well well he was turning 18 he was graduating he was going to become a
00:49:59
full-time farmer his family already has a farm he was into farming he wanted to be a farmer you have another group of
00:50:06
people that says the farm the pressures of him becoming a farmer maybe he didn't
00:50:12
truly want to be a farmer he was being forced into it by his family right again it's the opposite side of the coin or Al
00:50:21
or possibly your motive is you get rid of your family and now you get to take possession of the
00:50:28
farm but however went down didn't go to plan and then he decided to take his own
00:50:36
life that's really what the the sheriff believes is that something happened and we we don't know what in fact Sheriff
00:50:46
Henry's statement was that we may never know says Sheriff Michael Henry maybe you know we may never know why is what
00:50:55
he's saying maybe there were a number of issues domestic pressures on the farm unfulfilled dreams a recent C serious
00:51:03
argument with his grandfather Gary schaer so the sheriff points this out because do we have any evidence of
00:51:11
argument between him and his grandfather we only have Sheriff Henry's statement and but what he believes is that once
00:51:18
that first life was taken right that was the only intention but it set off all these other things
00:51:27
that that had to happen well and see that's what I'd really like to know is it to me it seems
00:51:33
like whatever happened in the house that it wouldn't have started with the grandparents but they would have some
00:51:41
evidence of that but again we don't know what tests were ran and what weren't and and so that becomes
00:51:48
very you would think that if he's showing signs of abuse to his mother you could see something going down down of
00:51:55
hey it's time to graduate and he's going I'm not going and she goes oh yes you are and that is just enough to spark
00:52:05
that but then that carries over to his grandparents house and then he he comes back and takes his own life but but why
00:52:12
would Stacy say that somebody else was a shooter see that's what we have we even
00:52:17
have Stacy's conflicting statements along the way no no I agree and I and I think that's you know again the reason
00:52:25
why this investigation needed certain tests done to prove certain things because I think in her trauma state that
00:52:34
she is not to me a reliable witness not at all and so it's like again now now you brought up a point which I think is
00:52:43
good did she know what the claims were when she started making her eyewitness account because you could also argue is
00:52:53
there a possibility that she would want to defend him in any way right that she doesn't want her
00:53:01
brother to be known for this right because I mean we just covered uh the grant Amato yeah aato case where his
00:53:11
brother was constantly defending him you know constantly defending him up into the point where his brother killed him
00:53:18
and that's why I think it was important to point out that she when when we don't
00:53:22
know for certain when given that statement when she's telling somebody the shooter did was not my brother
00:53:28
that's not her exact words she's just describing the man that she says she saw with the
00:53:34
gun I think it's important to point out that she may not have known that the sheriff had already announced that her
00:53:39
brother was the killer so if she doesn't know that then she's not defending him per se you see what I mean you know I I
00:53:47
agree but now like we've we've stated multiple times within the last hour this is very similar to The Amityville the
00:53:55
horror case which started with the defo defo yeah defo murders now in that case the brother
00:54:05
which is in jail for the murders of his whole family has made statements all along that it wasn't just him that his
00:54:12
sister that his sister was involved so so we have to then as investigators look at this of again I don't want to believe
00:54:24
anything that she because of the trauma State I don't think I don't think she's well and hold on for a second because I
00:54:32
think again what tests were done do we did we have any tests done to see if she fired
00:54:39
any shots that day because let's say there was something going on in the family that we do not know about and we
00:54:48
have a tempered brother do we have a tempered sister do we have this family tree seems a little
00:54:57
confusing to me who brothers and who half brothers and and is there's obviously multiple
00:55:06
guys older gentlemen that were at the house what's going on with their family life what's going on in their mother's
00:55:14
life is she simply stating well I think it was older gentleman to throw off the idea
00:55:23
that this would be a situation where it would be two siblings involved in the murder of their their friends and family
00:55:31
I'm just saying that you have to I think as an investigator at least put that on the
00:55:36
table Yeah the other three guys that were present two of them were high school students and one is reported to
00:55:43
be Sher K schaer's boyfriend the mother right um and again that's those are simple
00:55:51
tests that you need to run because well they may have been run it's it's just disappointing that when you
00:55:59
have a community that's calling in to question your findings why haven't you made those announcements well he can't
00:56:05
find his Dell nhart Jr hat well the the problem here is we have a sheriff's office who clearly close the case very
00:56:13
quickly too quickly 100% too quickly right their statements are that this was also investigated by the prosecutor's
00:56:22
office and uh BCI um Ohio BCI right uh Bureau of criminal investigation so they may if BCI is
00:56:33
there on the scene I'm sure that they ran those tests right it's just disappointing to find out that that we
00:56:41
can't we can't come to the conclusion that they got it right because they're not they're not presenting us with the
00:56:47
evidence of such and there's enough of a question to do so and maybe people were
00:56:50
out there going you know what they don't have to do that this is not a trial I get that but when when the community is
00:56:58
confused and not convinced that you got it right give us a little something to go on now well not to throw the sister
00:57:04
on the bus like I did but if her statement is correct and it was an older gentleman with a heavier build than it
00:57:12
wasn't her brother and then we have somebody that is capable of murdering a whole family in two locations walking
00:57:19
around willy-nilly yeah well and the thing is people will call this into question too
00:57:27
because look the Sheriff's Office didn't do a thorough in my mind they didn't do
00:57:32
a thorough investigation what we have here though is we have a Dr failer he's the
00:57:40
coroner you know he has to investigate anything where there's a there's a violent death be it a homicide or a
00:57:46
suicide or both and you know maybe if they're right in this case both right he was met with a basically with a
00:57:55
roadblock from the sheriff's department when he calls up and he's trying to get his questions answered they don't want
00:58:02
to give him any information they're mad at him because he was the one that went to OSU and got the statement from
00:58:09
Stacy the sheriff's department the Logan County Sheriff's Department didn't even
00:58:13
bother to go to OSU and talk to the Soul Survivor to get a statement from from her yeah then it goes back to our
00:58:23
age-old question that we've asked a million times about these investigators stupid or
00:58:29
lazy cuz it seems like we got a bunch of lazy investigators on this case so one thing that I think was pretty thorough
00:58:38
as I mean as much of a roadblock as he was met with this Dr failer um he did go as far to show Stacy a picture of a
00:58:47
gray-haired EMT member who was working on Stacy at the scene right so he he took a step further and said well maybe
00:58:56
this is the person she's remembering right and that doesn't seem according to Stacy that's not who she said that she
00:59:03
saw that day yeah again I I think Stacy's opinion matters quite a bit and now I know she
00:59:12
was saying that her brother was abusive towards their mother but it seems as if you can be abusive and not kill a
00:59:23
whole family well well it almost seems that what she's stating by by her eyewitness account is okay I saw this
00:59:31
other other individual but I also think my brother wasn't capable of this and look everybody has grown
00:59:38
up in a family where there's some troubled times for some troubled people where maybe the relationship between the
00:59:47
older sibling isn't going as well um and they have some temper issues for a small
00:59:54
period of time but that doesn't always equal a murderer right or even a criminal and it doesn't even seem like
01:00:03
this kid had much of a past other than his mother calling yeah you want to talk about
01:00:11
behavioral issues if he had them um that as you point out that's the only thing that we have going back 6 years for his
01:00:20
school record he had one disciplinary action against him and that was for being tardy right in the span of six
01:00:28
years we don't see any fighting any shouting or yelling at anybody you know nothing that would go along with some of
01:00:35
the behaviors that that we believe might have been going on according to what Stacy's father says and what this um
01:00:43
domestic violence counselor States I again we have multiple statements by the family the crimes were committed against
01:00:51
the family so maybe it's again in a situational thing where at school he was fine but for some reason the Dynamics of
01:00:59
the household weren't healthy and and that caused him to um not be able to control his temper and to be a jack
01:01:09
wagon and and be abusive towards his mother one thing that I find interesting too is the very same agency that we are
01:01:18
criticizing for their lack of an investigation or or lack of a thorough investigation
01:01:25
they're also the other suspect in this case there are people out there that believe that either the Sheriff's Office
01:01:34
covered this up or looked the other way or maybe even was somehow involved in this shooting why does that
01:01:46
okay for for a couple reasons one detective there's a detective Stout that was after after the the massacre he's
01:01:56
kind of in charge of keeping in touch with Stacy and mind you Stacy's 15 years old
01:02:03
yeah at some point this is within months of her mom brother friends and grandparents being
01:02:12
killed they their relationship starts to cross some lines and some boundaries here yeah he's like in his he's in his
01:02:22
late 30s late 30s to 15 is a lot worse than 18 to 14 now I do want to point out this
01:02:30
is a bit of a for the most part this is a bit of a he said she said kind of story because he says he didn't do
01:02:37
anything wrong she says that they did have some kind of physical relationship the only thing that takes
01:02:44
it past he said she said was that in October the same year of she had his baby no the the same year of the
01:02:53
shooting I believe it it was in October she is living with her stepmother and her father right right
01:03:04
her stepmother picks up the landline Stacy's on the phone with somebody she accidentally picks up the landline and
01:03:11
she hears Stacy talking to detective Stout they're making arrangements to meet up that weekend right that coming
01:03:20
weekend so immediately stepmom gets off the phone contact ask her husband and she's saying we have to get somebody
01:03:27
else involved an outside agency in this whole thing because everything that this
01:03:32
the Sheriff's Office was rumored to be involved in which was drugs and sex with underage
01:03:40
girls she goes oh my God it's true I I heard Stout on the phone with with our daughter right trying to make some kind
01:03:48
of arrangements and apparently I think she was turning 16 or had just turned 16 a couple of weeks before that
01:03:55
so of course this 30 some year old douche [ __ ] isn't going to admit to this of course and and so
01:04:04
we're just not going to believe her she's been through all this trauma well I'm not saying I don't believe her I but
01:04:10
I I did want to point out that we there is we got to be fair you know it is a it
01:04:15
is for the most part other than that one witness ear witness statement it is a he
01:04:22
said she said situation now he is charged he gets charged uh with several counts of something but it wasn't
01:04:30
statutory rape these were these were minor charges that he was brought up on of course cuz his own department is not
01:04:38
going to charge him with major charges not if they're also doing the same thing well what ends up happening I I want to
01:04:44
kind of keep this part short because there's still a lot of stuff to get to he ends up getting convicted of some
01:04:51
very minor charges which and he resigns from the Sheriff's Office good and it's it doesn't sound like this was a a
01:05:01
resigning that he he he was all did the right thing kind of thing I think the sheriff forced this man to resign
01:05:08
because the sheriff's official statements was hey I could prove on several occasions this
01:05:15
guy was going out and doing things that he had no approval to do he was he wasn't out working his job like he's
01:05:22
supposed to he was out fraiz with this girl right now the reason why I say he said she said I
01:05:31
believe what she says and she says it was all consensual and I believe most of what she says the only thing that I take
01:05:38
a little bit of issue with and I get it because she's a victim and she was probably embarrassed the reason why he
01:05:45
only got convicted of very minor charges is because she refused to testify against him at at this trial right but
01:05:54
what the local rumor was at the time was that some of these sheriff's deputies were up to no good that either they were
01:06:00
involved in they were involved in illegal activity is what the rumors were at the time that it that it could have
01:06:06
been drugs could have been going with these underage girls right and so where this whole conspiracy
01:06:15
comes into play is that according to Robert stclair that the night before the Moody
01:06:23
m M there was a call that came into the Sheriff's Office and this was Stacy and Scott's grandfather called the Sheriff's
01:06:33
Office to complain that some of the sheriff's deputies were having sex with his granddaughter and her friends there's
01:06:43
your motive and he he says he says you know have Sheriff Henry call me first thing in the morning now mind you it's a
01:06:50
holiday weekend Sheriff Henry is off we already talked about that yeah have them
01:06:54
call me or have other officers come over and kill my whole family so what what is
01:07:00
thought that might have happened is that the sheriff's department I shouldn't say
01:07:05
Department it makes it sound like everybody was involved right right but a couple of these bad seeds couple of
01:07:10
these bad apples maybe they got somebody to go out and kill this family to put and thought that Stacy was done and
01:07:20
unable to say any different and that when they arrive on the scene or even before the shooter leaves the house
01:07:27
let's put the gun in this kid's hands and now it's an open and close case yeah I mean there's just so many
01:07:35
things that don't make a lot of sense I mean you're a quarter mile away and there's multiple gunshots to kill the
01:07:43
grandparents and nobody wakes up at the household they all all still just get shot in their sleep yeah certain things
01:07:51
don't make a lot of sense it seems like there's more than one individual involved in this crime well keep in mind
01:07:57
the grandparents they were up and at it they were they were moving around they were they weren't sleeping and somebody
01:08:04
surprised them and killed them in their sleep right they're making breakfast in the morning yeah they found on their
01:08:09
kitchen floor so did did two people come in and do that job now the the problem here too is that a lot of people say
01:08:20
well Scott Moody didn't even have any guns mind you the gun that was found was a 22 caliber semi-automatic automatic
01:08:27
excuse me Marlin rifle these people say Scott didn't have any guns so remember the sheriff's
01:08:35
official statement his first statement was that oh he you know shot he he got up loaded his gun walked to his
01:08:44
grandparents house shot them in the kitchen walked all the way back and then killed everybody going room to room and
01:08:50
then killed himself right well that statement has to change if in fact it's true that Scott Moody had no guns their
01:08:58
later statement will say that Scott Moody went to his grandparents house with the purpose of getting a gun
01:09:05
because his grandfather did own several guns right so he took the gun from his grandpa killed them and then came back
01:09:12
killed the family if Scott did it it's believed that he went down to their basement got the gun came upstairs
01:09:17
surprised them killed both of them then went home killed everybody then killed himself right again but we don't have
01:09:23
any type of motive other than possibly that he went into a rage into a some kind of temper
01:09:34
tantrum and and that's only again we don't have a long history of that well then here's another problem
01:09:42
with the gun there's a lot of problems with the gun you already pointed it out no GSR that we've been told of no
01:09:47
ballistics that we've been told of okay Scott didn't have any guns well that's fine the gun belong to his grandfather
01:09:55
well there's an issue with that Gary schaer the grandfather his brother comes out and says look I knew all of my
01:10:02
brother's guns he never he says I never saw a 22 caliber before at my brother's home right and he said he never would
01:10:12
have bought a used firearm the firearm the rifle that was found either next to Scott moody or on his
01:10:22
person was was last register to a Kevin Miller was registered as the owner of the firearm and he says that he recalls
01:10:32
that he sold it to a ray gillenwater g i l l n w a t r who is now now deceased um
01:10:43
I don't I don't think these two people have any connection to the Sheriff's office or to the Moody family so it
01:10:50
seems a this gun seems strange so what is the chain of ownership of of this gun did it belong to the grandfather or
01:11:00
somehow did it make its way to Scott Moody and and that Scott Moody actually owned it just that's these people coming
01:11:07
forward didn't know about it and again this damn coin flip it up in the air and see what side it lands on because you
01:11:14
have several people that say Scott didn't like guns but then you have other people that say yeah he he went deer
01:11:21
hunting a time or two uh he he probably had a gun to shoot groundhogs or you know pests that would come onto the farm
01:11:29
right so really it's It's Tricky and it's difficult and I I think but also to back up that the the
01:11:38
statement that the grandfather called and wanted to talk to the sheriff about his daughter's sexual relationships with
01:11:47
officers she would be able to back up that story right I mean because she already
01:11:53
you would think so unless she already talked about one inappropriate relationship with a
01:11:59
officer and again we don't have that statement from Stacy we have the statements about the inappropriate
01:12:04
actions by detective Stout but we don't have any statements that are backing up if in fact we should point out if in
01:12:11
fact her grandfather did call the Sheriff's Office the night before complaining with this complaint or is
01:12:18
this just something that because there's a lot of times in cases where we can't find answers and we and and then the
01:12:25
True Crime world starts creating their own answers and you see this in a lot of cases where there's some police
01:12:35
conspiracy you know look at the mara Murray case I mean people have brought that up for years that there's possibly
01:12:42
a a police conspiracy so you know where you don't have a lot maybe there were these tests run but
01:12:49
they haven't been uh those statements haven't been issued to the community and now we have a bunch of questions are we
01:12:58
filling in the gaps with information that's not even correct do we even know for a fact that that the grandfather
01:13:05
called and and that would give some kind of motive for conspiracy according to Robert
01:13:12
stclair um that that call was the the officer that answered that call took down a note to because
01:13:23
he's got to pass along this information to have Sheriff Henry actually call this
01:13:27
person back right so he's saying that there was some kind of paper trail that that that A call came in from the
01:13:34
grandfather but doesn't it may not State exactly what it is and you point out something very smart here and I don't
01:13:42
think it's the True Crime community in this case as it as it often is in most cases right I think in this case to the
01:13:50
True Crime Community to people outside of Bel fountain outside of Logan County Ohio this really on the surface just
01:13:58
looks like some kid that lost it that that something was a breu it bubbled over and he impulsively killed his
01:14:06
family and then himself that's one on the surface what it looks like right you have the community the the locals that
01:14:13
are unsatisfied with the answers that they're getting they're the ones that start to fill in the gaps they're the
01:14:19
ones that start to fill in the blanks and now we have this whole conspiracy theory and it goes beyond that because
01:14:27
the Sheriff's Office to be to be frank they were not they had some bad boys on this department they 100% did we know
01:14:37
that Stout loses his job there was another officer that was caught on one of those baby cams you know you have the
01:14:45
baby cam that you set up in your living room or somewhere in your home yeah he was going over to these people's home
01:14:53
and having sex with the babysitter while they were gone but but yeah they watched
01:14:58
the baby cam footage one night and they're like you imagine that you you turn on the baby cam footage to make
01:15:03
sure that the babysitter is not screwing her boyfriend on the couch or or ignoring the baby and just watching TV
01:15:10
the whole time or talking to her friend on the phone the whole time you put on the baby cam footage and you see an
01:15:16
officer of the law in his uniform on your TV screen yeah so you put it on pause and go get some popcorn put some
01:15:24
butter on it maybe some Parmesan cheese and and finish watching it you know they
01:15:28
see they see the an officer of the law there and they're going well what's why why would he be there and then then the
01:15:35
clothes start coming off and they're like well we know why he's there now check wow wow he's another one that that
01:15:41
uh is off of the force and how old was this babysitter um I'm a little unclear of that it the way that it's presented
01:15:50
to me if she were were under 16 there would be there would be severe charges against
01:15:56
this guy maybe and since there were not charges well but again what do you mean maybe they got video footage of the guy
01:16:04
of they got pornographic video footage of of this stuff going down you can't really wasn't me you can't really have a
01:16:10
sheriff's office just go well we didn't no we don't think that actually happened
01:16:15
I was making a service call wasn't me I was having sex with the babysitter on the baby cam wasn't me I do want to
01:16:22
point out something too regarding our recommended reading Captain we said saving Stacy the untold story of The
01:16:28
Moody Massacre by Rob stclair one thing that I found one it's it's a very easy read because it's it's incredibly
01:16:36
interesting it's right it's a fast read because it's such a page Turner but one thing that I really liked about his book
01:16:44
is he's not creating a narrative he doesn't say this is what happened and this is the conspiracy theory and this
01:16:51
is how it happened he doesn't point that out at all he doesn't try to garage and just says we don't know he
01:16:58
yeah he doesn't try to drag you down that road he just says look here's all the inconsistencies in this case yeah
01:17:05
he's he's kind of saying the same thing that I think you and I are both saying here we don't have enough information to
01:17:11
determine if Scott Moody was in fact the shooter a lot of things point to him being the shooter but there's plenty of
01:17:18
questions that you have to call into question yeah tons of holes in this story and and tons of things that it's
01:17:26
as simple as this department that's under heavy questioning your job is to Serve and Protect not to be having sex
01:17:35
with underage girls that's sick you know grow up and then on top of that so again
01:17:42
Serve and Protect right but it's also for you to keep calmness like I said calm people's nerves if we think there's
01:17:50
another shooter out there so if you have answers to these questions it's your obligation to present these to the
01:17:57
community to let them know that this is what we found these are the tests that we ran these are what the test showed us
01:18:05
and because you need to have some kind of confidence in your law enforcement and it's uh pathetic that these that
01:18:15
these officers would even call themselves officers because this is not the action of every police officer out
01:18:21
there no and most police officers are out there trying to protect and serve and and not trying to get into the pants
01:18:29
of underage girls yeah it's not even the actions of everyone on that department at that time exactly and but we've
01:18:36
pointed that out plenty of times but if I'm an officer on that in that department I'm I'm going to the head of
01:18:43
every Department saying release this information yeah because these guys have drug our name and our badge through the
01:18:51
mud and and we need to we need to stop this and and the community has rights to have these answers but isn't it that
01:19:00
that makes you question if they even have that they might not you know that that's it makes me question if they even
01:19:08
have that at all which that leans more towards that to me would lean more towards a conspiracy than anything I
01:19:16
think it's been you know it's been 15 years almost 15 years I think we we could I thought going into this that I
01:19:24
was going to be able to answer all my questions that I had on it because so much time has passed but obviously
01:19:31
that's not the case and I also want to give two shout outs here Captain I spoke with Ben sutherly and Jim de brosi I
01:19:40
think is how you say his last name right um both of them were they did a lot of the newspaper coverage on this case at
01:19:48
the time both of them were kind enough to pick up the phone and answer some of my questions even with the case being
01:19:56
you know 15 years old so shout out to those guys they didn't answer any of my questions well I I didn't call them I
01:20:03
don't think that you called them I think this is a great case to do a even more of a deep dive into and I'd like to hear
01:20:10
people's thoughts and and questions that they have that maybe law enforcement will be checking the blog so if you have
01:20:16
any thoughts or opinions on this please go to True Crim garage.com and and leave
01:20:22
those on the blog well and as we said there's so many things to debate in this case just with
01:20:27
Scott himself in the finding of his body in the state of his body when they find
01:20:33
it at the scene I mean we have two shots for one suicide right you can argue that
01:20:41
all day and night also the gun the trigger is found in his weak hand yeah he's right-handed is found in his left
01:20:49
hand now I will also say by that same guard that if somebody's determined enough to kill themselves they don't
01:20:56
care if it's their weak or strong hand that's being used but the blood on Scott's bed is weird Okay so they find
01:21:05
blood remember he was found at the bottom of the bed with his legs hanging off of the bed no shirt on yeah no shirt
01:21:12
on they find blood all the way up at the top of the bed and the way that this has
01:21:17
been described is not so much as blood spatter which which it very well could have been but it's described almost as
01:21:26
somebody moved the body that somebody drug a bleeding Scott from the top of the bed all the way down to the bed and
01:21:34
then left him in that state before fleeing the scene the other thing that people call
01:21:40
into question too is with so much blood and if somebody went from room to room shooting each one of these people you
01:21:49
can clearly see Scott's socks in in some of the crime scene photos on his feet still on his feet and they're pristine
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