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[Music] thank you [Music] [Music] 30 year old Karina vetrano was murdered in August of 2016 and where we left off
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Captain we were a little over six months into the investigation into her unsolved
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murder during that time Karina vetrano's parents they pulled out all of the stops
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they did everything they could to keep her name and image in the Public's mind they started off with coming up with
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reward money the reward money eventually grew to an astronomical amount it was like 235 thousand dollars at one point
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was the reward money that was offered for information leading to Karina's killer and at some point I read that it
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got up to maybe three hundred thousand dollars or maybe even more but it was started by the parents and then the
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community but then NYPD I think donated uh 300 or 300 35 000 to the fund yes it was it was a big
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effort by everybody now one thing that they did as well was they they organized a memorial walk this was to take place
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at a Queen's Park where more than 1 000 people turned out uh the vetrano family stated that they were even seeking
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Supernatural help to find the killer of their daughter Phil vetrano said at the event quote we are open to any help from
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people that see beyond the living and anyone with thoughts or visions please don't hesitate to come forward
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then Karina's parents made a very unusual offer to the man that strangled their daughter it started off with
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Karina's parents urging the killer to turn himself in Kathy talking to the killer said we will get you it's just a
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matter of time Karina's parents have made it their mission to keep the Public's attention on the case hoping
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someone can give them answers Phil her father even offered his daughter's killer a choice in the directing of the
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reward money that has been raised saying that if you turn yourself in I will make sure that reward money goes
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to the person of your choice it could be your sister it could be your mother your
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brother it's a life changer you will be caught right no matter what so take advantage of this situation and my first
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thought on that was I think [ __ ] it's not gonna give this money to charity or something and why would this
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uh you know persuade him to come forward but yeah maybe if it's you know um I'm going to shame my family but
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they're going to catch me anyway so if I can shame my family and then give this money to my mother or or father or
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whatever but you'd have to be pretty shitty person to take that money right well here's the thing though and
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this is a very interesting tactic that is not often employed we have you could have a situation where
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the the real killer the guy that did this is on edge maybe he's suicidal maybe this is something he didn't intend
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to do or for whatever reason he feels like this is something that happened he knows he did it but but he's on edge and
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and there's a Tipping Point now here's the thing if he has some kind of Trigger he could tip in the in the direction of
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suicide or fleeing the area right or if there's something like this could you tip him in the direction of
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turning himself in look you've been walking around with this with this guilt this extreme heavy guilt on your
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shoulders for six months now and the maybe you maybe you're experiencing sleepless nights maybe you've increased
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your alcohol and drug use like they said was possible in the profile maybe you are suicidal this gives you a chance
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this gives you an out and I we know you don't want to go to prison but this gives you an out this
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gives you a chance to walk away from all that guilt that you've been carrying around this gives you a chance to not
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kill yourself not end your life and to do something right to finally do something right and guess what we can
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give that money to to your mother or to your sister or to somebody of your choosing you're right is it a shitty
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thing for this guy to accept the money 100 is it a shitty thing for one of his family members to accept the money 100
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right but I think this is a desperate plea and a smart intelligent plea yeah from the the victim's parents that
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desperately need answers and a community that needs answers as well one you don't
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know what tip they got I mean even if it's coming from a psychic right and the psychic could say hey look this this
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killer uh he's going to commit suicide and if he commits suicide you know or it doesn't have to be a
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thought from a psychic it could just be your gut feeling that hey if this if this was just an attack that went too
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far and then now he's going to kill himself once they kill themselves you're probably not going to find answers right
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you're never gonna he'll take the information and he'll take that guilt with him to his grave right
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now the the thing here though Captain is it's a right around uh just over the six-month point where there's a break in
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the vetrano case and this takes place on February 4th 2017 when the police announced that a suspect in the
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strangulation death of Karina vetrano had been taken in for questioning this is channel R Lewis a 20 year old
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Brooklyn resident he was being interviewed by police he would later be arrested and charged with her murder now
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who is channel Lewis and how did the police come to suspect him of being the guy so Channel Lewis came to the
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attention of the police from a member of the NYPD an off-duty officer that lived
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in Karina vetrano's neighborhood had noticed this young man lurking in the neighborhood apparently he was walking
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around after dark looking in cars right and he was checking the neighborhood for
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uh unlocked car doors and was was he ever wearing a wool cap that was I looked for that information and he did
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not give a description of this man and what he was wearing the interesting thing though this dude this officer is
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off duty right and he's driving his I believe it was his kids his daughters maybe and he spots this guy lurking
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around in the neighborhood and it does occur to him that he somewhat resembles the sketch that he had seen of this guy
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yeah and sometimes they make a sketch and then they make the arrest and then you go I don't look like the guy but in
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this case and I'll put this on uh Instagram so you can see the side by side comparison it looks it looks
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similar it looks similar we you know we should mention that um Channel Lewis he is too young to fit
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the description of the of the guy you know we in the description they say possibly 35 5 to 45 years old channels
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only 20 years old yeah but this is this is where I differ a little bit uh because to me did the sketch Look to You
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Like a 35 year old guy no right uh but also maybe 35 at the oldest no way you're talking about a 40 45 year old
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dude yeah but this but it's weird because this kid I mean you know he's pretty young
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but it's he looks a little old like he has like an old demeanor to him if that makes sense yeah he's got a he's got an
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older Look to Him the thing is when he's brought in for questioning and we first
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start seeing his face on the TV right he's shaved he's clean shaved and the sketch clearly shows a guy with a with a
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beard like a a captain sized beard not a not a big fool crazy one just one right
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up on the face there right now um beards are normally on the face if um if this dude when they brought him in
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for questioning if he had grown a beard I think he would look almost identical to the guy that we're seeing in the
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sketch yeah pop that guy's beanie on and see what happens so this this under this
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undercover he's not undercover he's off duty okay the man never he's never off the clock he's always working he's
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always undercover so he's off duty he's driving his kid somewhere he spots this guy and he decides to he follows him
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quite a bit that night throughout the neighborhood uh he sees him Retreat back into the Park area now so this off-duty
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officer does a little investigating and he finds that a man matching the same description as the guy that he had seen
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just the night before he had been stopped and spoken to by police on what they call a you know a
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stop and frisk situation um and I know a lot of people were uncomfortable with this stop and frisk
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situation but I want to be clear there was a reason they had probable cause the night that this man was stopped and
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frisked I enjoy it well what it was was there was a a man seen in the vetrano neighborhood
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that had been lurking around after dark this is a separate incident and the guy was had a crowbar and appeared to be
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looking into residence now people multiple people had called police so when the police show up they
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didn't just stop and frisk this dude because they just saw him walking down the street for no reason they show up to
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the neighborhood and they were stopping and frisking people that they saw walking about in the neighborhood after
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dark they obtained Channel Lewis's name and address during this stop in Frisk well this off-duty officer he Now tracks
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down the name and address of this dude and he passes it along to the police stating look I've seen this dude in the
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neighborhood that he was in a neighbor in our neighborhood on another occasion I saw him Retreat into the park and he
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somewhat matches the description of the guy that you're looking for in the sketch well does he fit anything in the
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profile that was released by the FBI um the thing here is we said that the officer had obtained his address so
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the interesting thing here is that channel is not homeless like the profile had suggested he he lived with his
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mother and two sisters in the projects in East New York now the interesting thing here though is it's just three
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miles from the murder scene however he did have a good knowledge of the area just like the profile had suggested he
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had a history with Spring Creek Park he in fact had two violations uh for breaking rules in the park well what's
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the break I think they didn't go specify what these uh violations were as far as
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both of them goes but one of them was for public urination okay um I don't know what the second one was
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now the the police had questioned this guy a couple of times uh in fact he had actually been on their radar for a while
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uh because the the off-duty officer passed along his name a couple months before he was actually arrested right
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the police went and spoke with him the first time he was questioning his question pretty thoroughly but they had
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no they didn't have anything on him but he's a little off he's a little off but he also on that
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first incident of being questioned he didn't provide them with anything he didn't give them any information any
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incriminating information now the second time that they spoke with him they this
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time they asked him to submit to a DNA test which he did yeah and it comes back that his DNA matched DNA for that was
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collected from Karina's body and cell phone yeah so it would have been found underneath her fingernails and then that
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would be pure DNA they get a hit on that then they get a hit on the cell phone um but I believe the cell phone and then
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the DNA that they got off her back would have both been just touch DNA so we have
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actual DNA from underneath the fingernails and then touch DNA from the cell phone and her back there's well
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this case is not without controversy and there's some thought on in the regards to the DNA
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um before we get into hashing that out Captain um some background information on Lewis
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he didn't have other than these these rules violations he didn't have like an extended criminal history he didn't have
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a criminal history that suggested that he was a violent person or a rapist or a murderer right
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um but he reportedly people said that he had a hatred for women he had a strong hatred for women
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uh that he once told a teacher's aide that he wanted to stab all of the girls at his school
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oh well that's nice of him that's yeah that's that's an interesting threat yeah but he's off but what does that mean
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because I I couldn't find that clear you know like when you look at like Jesse Miss Kelly right Jesse Miss Kaylee
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um low IQ but with Lewis it's like is he mentally handicapped or is he or look I'm I'm no expert
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um you know I went to school for computer right and uh one of our listeners pointed out that I went to
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school for number not numbers just number okay yeah um computer and number minored in number and if anybody else
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wants to point out all the things that I say wrong you also went to school for uh
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geography because you're so good at saying towns names and and mixing up the cities yes yeah but okay so when it says
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that he when people say that he's off or you know you've said that he's off right
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man like I said he's I'm no expert he's definitely off um different levels like you know my
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friends would tell you I'm off yeah you're off he's a little off but you know this guy is like a little more than
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off well I can I can I think I can clarify this a little bit okay so where I don't think that he is
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um I don't think that he has limited capabilities I think that he's just kind of out there
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um and we have him he had been taken into protective custody numerous times he was described as a loner he was
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described by many people as mentally unstable a neighbor who had lived near the family told reporters that this man
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terrorized people in the neighborhood now upon further checking into his background when he was growing up when
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Channel Lewis was growing up he was enrolled in a private school this was not like a private school for gifted
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individuals this was a private school for children with behavioral problems with severe behavioral problems and same
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kids yes right well the other thing though Captain is not only does his DNA match
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um but I want to talk about the confession of a killer right because he was confessing
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he offers up a confession in regards to Karina's case in Howard Beach and the full story that we can now put together
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from the suspect's own words witness statements and according to investigators is this that on August 2nd
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our suspect Channel Lewis had left his home after arguing with his family and he walked over to the park this is where
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he came across and then attacked Karina vetrano while it is believed to have been a
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random attack it is definitely not known for certain if Lewis had ever seen vetrano before or premeditated the
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attack on her channel in his confession said quote I was mad I saw red Lewis says he grabbed vetrano as she ran past
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him he said she clawed at his face and he hit her five times before she was knocked unconscious
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he goes on to say quote she didn't yell she was finished I finished her off I strangled her she fell into the puddle
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and drowned I got up and I wiped off the blood and she was calm she was in the pool of water after telling the cops how
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he quote finished her off Channel Lewis seemed to think that he could pay his way out of murder charges asking where
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do we go from here is there a restitution program or something right before confessing he had told detectives
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I want to change my life I'm sorry for what I did he insisted that he did not molest the woman even though her jogging
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shorts had been pulled down yeah but even the cop said from the beginning that because she put up a fight it's
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probably the reason why that didn't fully happen right so they can't say that she was
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quote unquote raped yeah so he said he didn't sexually assault her but he says after the attack after he had quote
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finished her off that he had walked home uh walking back up the bike path he said
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he was shaken up he was hoping to get home to get napkins to stop the bleeding from the scratches she had left on his
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face when asked why he attacked the jogger Lewis confusingly responded that he killed vetrano because of a guy that
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had moved into his house and into the neighborhood playing loud music which disrupted his life now after the attack
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right this guy is psychosis or something yeah after the attack his mother recalled Channel returning to the home
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that night she said that he did look disheveled and his clothes were torn he told her that he had been mugged by a
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group of men and of course there's really no evidence of such an attack and no police report was ever filed now the
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next day this is something that you and I find incredibly incriminating no matter even if you get past the DNA
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evidence right the next day when I get past the DNA evidence then you gotta get past the fact that he confesses
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and then well the next day on August 3rd Lewis's father who is a he's a former School principal he took Lewis to a
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local emergency room for treatment of scratches and cuts on Lewis's upper body now channel Lewis had also suffered a
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hand injury this most likely the hand that he had used to throw Karina's phone into the weeds leaving his DNA on the
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phone in the process all right so I'm going to say something I'm going to bring this up don't don't hit me okay
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don't throw don't throw your beer bottle at me when I'm researching this case his
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father then comes out and says look he's a sweet boy he never would have done this this is way out of character
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and then other people in the community you know even though people said that he was stalking people or you know
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terrorizing people in the neighborhood um that he was a sweet boy so there's like
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two sides of this coin and it started making me feel like okay if this guy is off and if he is a little
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slow right then did they plant this DNA evidence did they get him to confess okay so the reason a big reason why this
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case is not without controversy is this because they have DNA evidence one and two they have a confession and then
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three we got Channel who's pleading not guilty to the crime so a lot of people are going well how can you have a
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confession and DNA evidence and then you got a defendant that's pleading not guilty how could he possibly not be
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guilty so well but we do know that people get false confessions yeah that has happened and we also know that
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there's been plenty of cases where not plenty of them but there's been a handful of cases where that you could
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tamper with the DNA evidence to get it to say what you wanted to say yeah well and the thing as far as
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Channel Lewis goes in my own personal opinion of him and I don't I don't know him uh all I know of him is using his
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words that I've poured through and seeing him in interviews and seeing him on TV a lot of the times unfortunately
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when his hands are handcuffed behind his back so maybe you're not getting the best perspective about him right but
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what I can gather is for lack of better words and excuse me I know there are more intelligent words out there in
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regards to this but to speed things along I don't find him to be slow per se I find him to be a little crazy if not
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full on and the reason why I say that is because of this if you go if you pour through
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his his confession while it makes sense to the way that the attack occurred and how we know that it
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occurred his reasoning behind things doesn't seem to make any sense to anyone and the where the controversy is is you
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have it it it was discovered that the DNA underneath her fingernails was actually mixed DNA
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meaning that there were several types of DNA found underneath her fingernails Now
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using that mixed DNA they could not rule out Channel Lewis's DNA having been under her fingernails right right what
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they can prove is his DNA absolutely was on her phone and absolutely was found on
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her either neck or back depending on which report you were right but that was touch DNA and that's new technology and
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there could be something up with that to me this sounds like you know when his father's defended him to me it sounds
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like you know he's early 20s this would be the time in your life where he's doing crazy stuff he's acted manic so
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there's a chance that he has some sort of bipolar or schizophrenia I mean one of the reasons that he says he had to
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kill this person well I have an argument with my family and then there was this guy that moved into the neighborhood
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with a loud boombox sounds to me like you know this loud barking dog that told me to go kill
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women right it's on the same so I think his father's saying he's a sweet boy or other people in the in the community
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saying he's a sweet boy well maybe he was but now he has this mental illness and because of this you know this led to
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the murder well and there there's a great article out there and I believe it's on uh dailybeast.com where you can
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get some more information on this but it sounds like some people have called into
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question how they obtained the confession uh that they they made him wait for hours and upon hours upon hours
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before getting this confession from him um they he doesn't have an attorney present during the course of giving the
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confession however it's never even stated that he requested one um so I wear it but if you're crazy or
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you're a little offer you're going to request a lawyer I don't love the methods that they used however I have to
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keep in mind they have his DNA matching at the time of of this before they get the confession from him and second and
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the thing that's often pointed out now in this article specifically is that you know you have psychiatrists saying that
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in psychologists saying that people don't just all of a sudden snap you know like it looks from his confession that
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he all of a sudden snapped and attacked and killed someone they and I've heard not only you know
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psychologists say this but I've also heard uh people with extensive criminal law enforcement backgrounds say the same
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thing that people don't just usually just don't snap all of a sudden usually you see a long history of it and what I
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want to remind the people that wrote the article The Daily Beast and that and that contributed to that article is
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we actually see previous Behavior we we he's been he's been talked to by police several times right we have neighbors
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saying that he was terrorizing the neighborhood while he might be a sweet boy at home he might be a mama's boy he
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might be great to his sisters and to his mom he went to a private school that was
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for people with behavioral problems this kid didn't just snap one day the thing that's going to be very interesting
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thing here Captain is it seems to me like he understands that he's done something wrong so he knows the
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difference between right and wrong he just doesn't fully grasp the full scope or gravity of the situation or the acts
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that he has committed right so we have DNA that matches on top of that you have a confession and on top of the
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confession even if you believe that the confession was um you know obtained in a weird way we
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were just talking you know a little bit off off Mike for a second off the Record
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yeah off the Record when new show comes out soon um most people assume that this murder
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took place the motive was sexual that it was rape then murder but there's no like
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we said DNA evidence of that and during his confession he claims that he you know pulled her into the weeds and also
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used her shorts as a way to pull her in and that would explain why the shorts were down because there was no actual
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sexual assault so that makes his confession seem a lot more likely and then on top of that it's you went to the
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hospital for these cuts and scrapes yeah all over your body and on parts of your
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body that was suspected to have been occurred like the FBI said and on his hand which would have touched the cell
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phone right so if you think the first two are fabric fabricated in any way by law enforcement you can't fabricate that
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you can't fabricate him going to the emergency room to to take care of these Cuts yeah the interesting thing to me
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Captain is I think that this person but belongs Behind Bars and I know the vetrano family and everybody in the
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community wants to see this guy go away forever I think that I don't know that I fully
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agree that prison is the appropriate place for him I think he does need to be locked up somewhere and he there's a
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more appropriate place for him I don't think he fully understands what he did nor did he have full control over
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himself but at the end of the day regardless of that he's extremely violent and most
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likely this will occur again he needs to go somewhere I just don't know where that is and he needs to go there for the
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rest of his life [Music] all right we're back Cheers Cheers now 175 miles away on April 15 2017 we get a
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break in the Vanessa Marcotte case sources told the media a man was arrested in warcaster Massachusetts
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authorities said that Angelo colon Ortiz is facing multiple charges in connection
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with Vanessa marcotte's death remember when law enforcement announced that they were looking for a dark
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colored SUV that had been seen around the time of the murder yeah well an alert state trooper spotted an SUV
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matching the description being driven by a man who matched the description of the
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suspect the trooper wrote down the license plate of the SUV on his hand he's driving and
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then Tracked Down Angelo colon Ortiz while we should give credit where credit is due Captain the officer's name is he
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is state trooper Robert patz and this sighting of the SUV occurred mid to late March of 2017. then he along
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with another officer went to the man's home the following day they questioned him and asked him to give them a to do
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one of those cheek swab DNA sample tests yeah open up your mouth he submitted to this
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they took the information back they submitted the test and later got a match they matched this to DNA found at the
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crime scene upon receiving the results of that test he was arrested and charged with murder now Angelo colon Ortiz age
00:32:49
31 he's from Worcester Massachusetts he has no criminal history he was married with three children and he had lived in
00:32:58
warcaster for less than a year at the time that he had been picked up he worked for a third party contractor of
00:33:06
FedEx and he made deliveries and was familiar with the town of Princeton you know as he made deliveries there
00:33:13
frequently right according to his neighbors colon Ortiz was described as perverted
00:33:21
and okay that's not how you want your neighbors to describe how's your neighbor oh well the neighbor over here
00:33:28
he cuts his lawn pretty well um regularly once a week um Joe over here he's a pervert Yeah
00:33:35
Angela was was described as perverted and often made vulgar sexual comments to people in the neighborhood now cologne
00:33:44
Ortiz yeah meaning I had women and men well and the dogs and cats they didn't give a statement so
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who knows what he was saying to them now Columbus nice [ __ ] cologne Ortiz worked early hours uh he
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worked from approximately 4 a.m to 11 A.M now I'm not sure why this keeps coming up when we hear about him because
00:34:10
this attack occurred on a Sunday I I wouldn't I don't see FedEx out doing deliveries on a Sunday but maybe that's
00:34:18
the case I think what they're trying to point out here is even if it were a work
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day he was this attack occurred at a time that he was not accounted for right you know he wouldn't have been busy at
00:34:30
work at that time now police were not quite sure what he was doing in the area of the murder or why he was even there
00:34:37
to begin with but information collected from his cell phone puts him or at least his phone in the
00:34:45
area where and when Vanessa was killed yeah investigators believe that he may have plus his SUV yeah possibly or
00:34:55
matching the description of his SUV now investigators believe that he may have spotted the attractive young woman
00:35:02
walking alone maybe even followed her for a bit before driving ahead and then parking his vehicle on the side of the
00:35:11
road opening up the hood giving the appearance that his Ford Escape SUV had broken down and he was stranded right
00:35:18
when she got near the vehicle he then attacked her so if this theory is correct then you're talking about
00:35:25
premeditated assault with intent to commit rape at the very least well let me just put this out there for everybody
00:35:32
right I want everybody to listen good right guys on the side of the road stranded
00:35:41
and he says hey lady come over and help me just run no you're not gonna help him
00:35:47
he can figure it out right better safe than sorry I mean we've seen dirt bags like Bundy do this and and other serial
00:35:55
killers don't help them well and there there's another situation though too to think
00:36:01
about Captain it's very likely that he may not have even spoken to her that he use this ruse as just a chance to be in
00:36:10
the same spot as she would be in and out of the vehicle yeah because think about
00:36:14
this if he speaks to her or if he yells something to her there's a chance she might react to this and take off where
00:36:21
if he just pretends to be on his phone like hey he's calling for a record truck or calling for help
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she's gonna she's gonna possibly put him off and think that it's just he's just stranded she made casually walk or jog
00:36:35
by him putting her within feet of him where he then can grab her or probably grab her from behind because right just
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like our other victim this is a very athletic woman this is a woman that's not going to go down without a fight
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never go down without a fight further Evidence against cologne Ortiz now remember Vanessa's body had been burned
00:36:55
portions of her body had been burned it was determined that gasoline was the accelerant that was used to light the
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body she was killed sometime that Sunday afternoon after 1 pm and most likely before 3 P.M when she was reported
00:37:13
missing now business records for a credit card in the name of Angelo colon Ortiz was used on that same day on
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August 7th in the afternoon at 2 35 pm to purchase gasoline a monster at the this was purchased
00:37:32
captain at a gas station that was just seven miles from where Vanessa's body was found now I'm not very familiar with
00:37:39
that area but I'm guessing due to the population and the the roads that I checked out there's a good chance that
00:37:46
this seven mile away gas station might be the closest gas station to where the attack occurred right that's just a
00:37:54
14-minute driving route from that approximate location now Angelo Corleone Ortiz he pled not
00:38:02
guilty um and he was placed on a 10 million dollar bail the charges that he's facing
00:38:10
are aggravated assault assault with intent to rape and of course murder so we have two situations Captain where
00:38:18
obviously these cases we know that they were not linked now right uh regardless of the media linking them early on
00:38:25
however it's undeniable that they're similar in nature I mean the attacks are very
00:38:32
similar the the victimology extremely similar one that happened five days apart but they're also at the same spot
00:38:39
in the cases we have people arrested now they're waiting trial and we'll see if these families get Justice in these
00:38:46
strong beautiful women get Justice couple things that I want to point out here captain that I think that are
00:38:51
Lessons Learned for the public regarding these cases the the thing that stood out
00:38:58
the most in both of these incidents after the murder occurred when the investigation was rolling or any time
00:39:06
that the investigation seemed to have taken gone to a standstill in both instances they they produced more
00:39:13
information and they kept these cases in the Public's mind they kept them on the
00:39:18
news and in the headlines this was done by not only the families of both victims
00:39:23
but the communities and the law enforcement that was involved as well well but it goes before that because
00:39:29
these strong women decided to fight these bastards and by doing so collected the evidence that they need to put these
00:39:39
guys away for the rest of their lives I couldn't have said it better and in fact
00:39:42
you stole my ending for what I was going to say there but um it's it's good that
00:39:47
we share the same opinion of that the thing that I want to point out here though is
00:39:52
keeping this in the Public's mind what did we see this produce in both of these cases It produced tips and leads that
00:40:00
did eventually lead to the capture of both of these individuals another thing that I think we see here is where
00:40:07
the cases are different where the the perpetrators are somewhat different where I see somebody that's unstable and
00:40:15
I don't fully know that any of us will understand why he committed the murder in the first case right and the second
00:40:21
case it's very obvious to me that Angelo colon Ortiz this was a sexually motivated case this was a sexually
00:40:29
motivated attack and murder for him and I actually think that he probably would have went on to do more of these I
00:40:37
actually think he could have killed more women he could at least have raped more
00:40:41
I possibly could have done this before and I'm actually shocked that uh given that nine months went by before his
00:40:49
arrest that he didn't commit something similar to this one thing that I think may have prevented him from doing so
00:40:56
remember we often see in profiles of these types of offenders that they will pay attention to the media coverage on
00:41:04
the cases if he was in fact paying attention to the media coverage resulting from Vanessa's murder that he
00:41:12
would have known that that physical profile was was released about him and he was probably when he heard it he's
00:41:19
going that sounds just like me they've just described me and whatever I was intending to do or planning to do from
00:41:27
here I cannot do because there's a spotlight on me they've just not narrowed it down to me yet and in both
00:41:34
cases we also see off-duty officers uh going above and beyond and they're paying attention they're they're they're
00:41:41
always on the job they helped provide leads and tips that found these two individuals and I with you Captain I
00:41:51
hope and pray that we get Justice for both of these women and we get it very soon again but you got also got a plot
00:41:57
their their friends and family for speaking out especially Karina's mom and and father so I applaud them one topic
00:42:06
we wanted to discuss here today Captain is ways to stay safe when you're when you're jogging yeah seems obvious giving
00:42:14
the cases that are covered and this was pulled from several different areas and in no way is this an advertisement for
00:42:21
anybody this is just information that we have found in some of it a lot of it coming from According to
00:42:28
runnersworld.com on suggestions for keeping you safe well we have a lot of listeners that will run trails and stuff
00:42:35
but also listen to our show at the same time some of the listeners say it helps them
00:42:41
run faster I I don't normally listen to podcasts when I when I work out uh well you and I
00:42:48
do bike I'm not I'm not a jogger I do bike on occasion and I I I have found that some of these tips I think I need
00:42:56
to take upon myself to do some of these these good things here so uh tips for keeping you safe they say the first
00:43:03
thing you should do before you go out is is to notify others and tell them how long you plan to be out this allows
00:43:11
loved ones to sound the alarm if you don't return on time now there are several available apps out there that
00:43:19
can help to keep you safe one that is mentioned is the Glimpse app this allows Runners to set a timer that notifies
00:43:29
certain people of their location if they're out longer than they had planned then we also have the Run Safe app this
00:43:39
allows a runner to send a text message to a certain contact or contacts at the start and end of a run the app also
00:43:47
includes a panic button feature in which a siren and strobe light play in addition to notifying contacts the
00:43:55
feature also records several minutes of sound that is also available to your contacts and runnersworld.com also
00:44:04
suggests that you carry an ID with you and that your cell phone has emergency contact numbers on the back taped to the
00:44:12
back of it the Cambridge Police Department advises of course everyone to run with a friend when you can obviously
00:44:19
the friend's not always available or bring a whistle and they also suggest leaving your money at home now you can
00:44:28
also you know in certain States you can purchase and carry pepper spray which I would recommend now there's a another
00:44:36
device out there that I would highly recommend this one's called the tiger lady it's a handheld device I'm sure a
00:44:42
lot of you have heard of this it's modeled after a cat's retractable Clause uh the device it can you can use this to
00:44:51
fight back and to fight off your attacker it's also likely to collect DNA of your attacker it's going to do some
00:44:59
damage yeah or carry a knife carry a knife you know we don't need these claws just carry a knife somebody
00:45:05
to actually pull it out of your pocket stab him right in the face so what do you do Captain if you are being followed
00:45:12
or feared that you are being followed well I always take four right turns that's what I do uh
00:45:20
here's some suggestions one is simply turn to look at the potential attacker this sends a message that you won't be
00:45:29
surprised by a possible attack right here let them know I see you the another suggestion is to change your direction
00:45:37
if the person following you is moving on foot change streets and your pace if the
00:45:43
person following you is in a car walk in the opposite direction so it is harder for them to follow you and then of
00:45:51
course we have this go to the nearest store or public place where there are other people yeah that's a great idea
00:45:58
and once you're there call the police they say if there is if there is not a safe place to go make sure you keep
00:46:05
moving start screaming so you can try to draw attention to the situation and of course
00:46:12
one thing that that uh we should mention self-defense courses they're available in most cities uh I suggest everyone
00:46:21
check them out I have been to some I think they're very valuable tools that you can learn there they're usually very
00:46:27
affordable classes as well one every other week I jump out of the bushes and attack them just to check just to see
00:46:35
you know he's getting older and I suggest these not only for our female listeners but the male listeners as well
00:46:40
and a lot of these classes are something that you can take your children to especially if you feel that they are
00:46:46
mature enough not to use these methods you know just to pick on siblings yeah just to pick on somebody on the
00:46:52
playground yeah so for all of our male and female Runners out there be safe and be aware of your surroundings
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foreign [Music] have a couple beers hang out in the garage with one of your buds all right
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thank you everybody for listening make sure that you tell a friend spread the word share share information about these
00:47:23
cases on social media and until next time be good be kind and don't litter [Music]
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