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[Music] details [Music] oh [Music] the TV show 48 Hours investigates has done some Gang Busters work on the John
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B ramsy still unsolved homicide case over the course of the last 26 almost 27 years yesterday for those not so
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familiar with the case maybe casual followers of the jeanet case we introduce some of you to a man named
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Michael Vil Michael Vil is an individual who says that he has been haunted all of
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these years by a phone call that he received hours after John Benet was killed he says and told 48 Hours about a
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tearful phone call received from his high school friend Gary Aliva Michael Vil sense has maintained
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contact with Gary Aliva for years he says in hopes of eliciting a confession in the Jean Benet Ramsey case according
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to 48 Hours Michael Veil said quote I've continued this for decades now even with
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him being in prison but he has only just admitted to killing her he believes he will go to hell if he doesn't admit to
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it I have sent these letters to Boulder Police and hope it will get Gary to provide them with firm proof and to name
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who else may have been involved in Jean benet's death now they have this a written confession the police need to
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charge Gary Aliva with Jean benet's murder so a little background here Gary has been behind bars in Colorado since
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2016 when he was arrested by Boulder police on child porn charges this according to the Daily Mail Gary ala may
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have even taken responsibility for Jean benet's murder quote I pleaded guilty to
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the murder of John Benet as well as countless charges of assaults and sexual abuse against many children end quote
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that's a quote from Gary ala wrote this in a letter to Michael Vil and just so we're clear you are making the statement
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that Michael believes that they need to charge Gary with the crime correct that's that's M's words saying that I've
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received this written confession from him right now it sounds to me like this written confession is a little
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convoluted right and we've seen different versions of a confession or close to a confession from Gary Aliva
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over the years but in this one it sounds to me like he is telling his friend I've
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plad guilty to the murder of Jean Benet as well as countless charges of assaults
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and sexual abuse against many children and his response to that is well I've provided this letter this letter that he
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sent to me he takes it a civilian Michael Vil is taking this as a written confession right and he's saying now
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there needs to be charges murder charges brought against my one-time friend here
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now to be perfectly fair and clear to the listeners for the record they're saying No Such plea exists that he could
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have wrote whatever he wanted to write to his friend he didn't he didn't directly tell us or or or or stand in
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front of a judge and plead guilty to this child's murder and he's never been brought to
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court on any charges related to John Benet as far as that's concerned now according to the affidavit though so
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this is police record this is police police documentation so this is as about as
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hardcore fact as it can get as far as Gary Aliva is concerned the arrest affidavit says that investigators found
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335 photos that had something to do with redacted on ala's phone I'm guessing that means Jean Benet while that while
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that portion from the statement given to the public to the media is redacted it has to be John B because the next
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sentence is some were regular photos of her likely found online of those photographs 19 were images from redacted
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autopsy likely from the photographs that had been leaked to the press in years past well that's one of the things that
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makes any type of confession from anybody in this case very difficult because we have a lot of the information
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so normally in cases where you have holdback information there's so much information
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out there that you can anybody that research this case could write a confession that sounds
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like the person knows what happened that night does that make any sense exactly no it does and and here's the thing too
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in all fairness I don't know that we that he deserves our fairness but no this guy's a piece of [ __ ] exactly we we
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know who he is is his record shows us who he is we know what he is but in all fairness 335 photographs
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of John B Ramsey does not necessarily mean that he is responsible for her murder just means he's obsessed with her
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this is so incredibly gross and I told myself it's so disgusting that I wasn't going to say it here in the garage today
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but oh here we go to some of these pedophiles it's my understanding captain that somebody like John Benet is she's
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like regarded as maybe the Marilyn Monroe or Fillin the blank with model super model sex symbol right fill in the
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blank you know Carmen Electra Madonna Madonna Cindy Crawford Phil fill in the blank there but it's my understanding
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that to some of these pedophiles especially the ones that again we talked about yesterday we've talked about this
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plenty of times in the garage these sickos have often have a type we know a little bit about Gary
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oliva's type because one he sexually assaulted and was convicted of a rape of a seven-year-old right seven-year-old
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girl so that that narrows it down a bit and then you find 335 photographs of John Benet Ramsey on his phone that
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narrows it down a a little bit too and then some of these are autopsy photos I'm I'm all for looking at a
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picture of of cdy Crawford Carmen Electra Fillin the blank of sex symbol supermodel whatever no desire ever to
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see an autopsy photo of any of those individuals so it's very disturbing behavior of
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course the other thing too is they're saying that they they also found photographs of what appears to be some
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kind of Shrine a shrine to redacted which again I think that redacted in most of these cases is probably saying
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John B ramsy right and they go on to say it's unknown where these shrines are located or if they were created by Gary
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or someone else I observed I don't know who I is so it says I'm reading from this report says I observed in the
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contacts section of Gary ala's phone there were many references to redact in the video section of the phone I
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found several videos that were tributes to redacted as well right so are they saying that he
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had contacts or because it says the contact Section of his phone are they saying that he had contacts related to
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John Benet Ramsey or the Ramsey family or persons involved in the investigation or it says references so is this just in
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the notes portion who knows what's on this guy's phone right and here's something that I'm not that clear
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on is this Gary stuff is heating up again you could say well the confession happened to Michael 27 years ago but in
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the last year you get this confession letter quote unquote confession letter you get you're getting more contact to
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Michael you're getting now Michael that is working with other investigators to try to connect more
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dots they keep giving evidence or circumstantial evidence to Boulder PD we don't know what Boulder's doing with
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this information but I think it was about four months ago that I saw I was looking up the John
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John Benet Ramsey case and I saw this comparison between handwriting samples didn't know who the the who they
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were comparing from the little clip that was saying hey this new handwriting sample
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matches and so I click on it and the two images pop up and right away you're like this letter looks very similar to
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The Ransom note but it's a letter from Gary to Michael and so then the court TV and other
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people have brought in handwriting analysis experts and there's a whole 40 minute
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video from Court TV on this where they go through and pick out certain letters and what they mean and why they might
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look a little different but when you overlay them they're basically the same and obviously if he's using a
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certain type of pen for one letter and a different type of pin for another letter
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then you're going to have a couple little different markings but they they basically say that when you go to write
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a letter like this a individual letter letter A bcde E FG that you have an entrance point and an exit
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point and those are one of the main things you can use to start analyzing the handwriting samples but
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also like the if you make it h the distance you know from one line to another line so you got the entrance
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points the exit points and then you have the the distance and it's it's really difficult
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again all these experts when I've watched the video they've said I would like more handwriting samples but if I
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had to say whether or not just simply is this a match or not the all the handwriting sample experts that I've
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heard dissect Gary's letters they say they match but to me I don't know if this is
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junk science or not I I don't know that I would fully throw it into the junk science pile right I think that the pile
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that it belongs in is the not an exact science because I'm so glad that you bring up the handwriting because a lot
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of people will then defer to they'll kind of the default on this case has been well didn't some didn't the
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handwriting experts say that paty wrote The Ransom note and there's I don't know there are people
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out there that that have tried to explain to me that maybe the ramies did write the note but didn't kill John B
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that I can't I can't make that I can't make that connection I don't know yeah I can't make that story make sense in my
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head yeah and I'm not saying those people are wrong I'm just saying there's no way for me to to put that in a
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blender together and come up with that that answer come up with that result so yeah but see if you make the argument
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that John went to bed and John Benet ramsy wet the bed again and something happened and the and the the mom hit her
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in the head and then realized she killed her daughter and then she did all these
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other steps to try to cover it up then I go okay well I can at least make sense of that story
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well yeah but the the problem is I think that that's become kind of the default that that paty Ramsey wrote the letter
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that the handwriting experts said that paty Ramsey wrote the letter the the other version of that is that she is
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most likely to have written the letter first of all not every person on the planet's been compared to that
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letter obviously and second of all there's been many many handwriting I'm using air
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quotes here you can't see it because this is an audio show wow so you can close your eyeballs and open your
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earballs but the uh the thing here is there's been many handwriting experts analyzed this compared to pany
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Ramsey and other person's handwriting right there's varying degrees of whether pany Ramsey wrote this note or not
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amongst those experts there are some that say she is most likely the person that wrote it there are some that say we
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cannot exclude her as the author of The Ransom letter and then there are others that that do exclude her from The Ransom
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letter yeah and where going back to your thought of possible junk science here the reason why I don't think that
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handwriting analysis is junk science and I'm going to put this in the simplest form here possible because I am
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nothing but a simple man right right yeah shout out to Leonard skinnard the thing here is rip
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when when I look at some handwriting in any of these cases the first thing that I look for is a lowercase a because to
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me there's like 50 and I we don't need to get into exact numbers here but let's say 50% of the population writes a
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lowercase a one way and the other 50% of the population writes a lowercase a the
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other way what I'm talking about here is the way that I write my lowercase a it looks like a circle leaning on a
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straight line the other people write one that looks kind of like a backwards to without the tail right those are two
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very completely different ways of making the same letter and if roughly 50% of the
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population makes it one way and the other 50% makes it the other way what you showed me
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earlier is an a that looks like a backwards too correct on both the ransom letter and from Gary ala's letters to
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his friend so what I would say to the untrained eye I'm not a handwriting expert at
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all but to the untrained eye I'm saying I cannot eliminate him I cannot exclude him of as being a possibility because
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those those lowercase A's are very they're very similar or at least that same style and so it's it's tough for me
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because I don't know if Court TV contacted 10 experts and out of those experts said well these
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three can't exclude Gary so those are the ones that we're going to have on our program because obviously that makes the
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story of hey look into Gary as a legitimate suspect but I think if you don't have
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DNA in this case and again you you have to question again touch DNA was it compromised is there a
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mixture is there multiple people involved if you don't have that evidence that you can test against to me you you
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can start really stacking the chips up against this guy I mean I I just keep going back to the fact that he was at
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the anniversary and that really bothers me for some reason and and several experts
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say that they can put him in the area of Boulder Colorado and maybe within the neighborhood within a block of the
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Ramsey house on the night day in question and I look Captain here I just flaunted my my small brain for everybody
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out there to see it's it's wouldn't be a backwards two it'd be a backwards six right like it'd be it's facing the same
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way I think we all know what you meant but what what I'm trying to point out here
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is that's muscle memory what you're talking about the the point of entry and exit when when somebody puts pen to
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paper and makes creates a letter it's right that's that's all muscle memory that's something that becomes ingrained
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in you throughout your years and so yes to me those lowercase A's are similar can I sit here and say
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that he wrote that letter no absolutely not but the other problem too here and this this is something that just gets
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completely lost in this case lost in the sauce lost in the sauce and I do not know why and we'll never understand why
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when handwriting analysis has been such a topic a hot topic of interest in this case that this has been completely lost
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on the on not just the public the damn experts the experts should be pointing this out and some of them probably don't
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want to because they you know it is a business they are running a business they need to get paid for their time
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they need jobs that letter that Ransom letter was written with a felt pin yes anybody
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that's ever used a felt pin knows this when you put it down on paper and you leave it there it bleeds it soaks into
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the paper one is not going to be able to determine The Strokes that an individual is using
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Strokes that are identifiers of the individual making them based off of the use of a felt
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pen you just can't you are going to have in consistencies you going to have fat letters you going to have thin letters
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based off of how long that felt was bleeding into that paper now somebody that's reviewed a
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whole lot of cases Yours Truly the extra the extra Krispy kernel here and and we're going
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to hit stop at some point I'm going to go get crispy but I'll tell you this the use of
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the felt pen may show some level of criminal sophistication here me meaning the individual that
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wrote that Ransom letter I keep calling it a letter which I think is proper right you can't call
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that a note that's not a memo that's not a note that's a ransom letter yeah but whoever used that they
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chose to use a felt pen that could show some level of criminal sophistication that could show
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that that individual may have known this this instrument this writing instrument
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is not going to come out tried and true every single time just because of the nature of the the writing instrument
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well okay tell me if this is a dumb dumb thought I also wonder is it is it a artistic choice
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there's other pins that the individual could have used it wasn't just like there was one pin they had to make a
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choice doeses that make any sense at all to you not only that that that that brings up
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another great question there is there is thought and there's some evidence to suggest that that the author of that
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letter likely made one or two failed attempts at starting the letter and so then you go well what what we don't know
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what's never been reported to us were they able to determine the writing instrument you used for those failed
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attempts right did did somebody start a letter decide to rip it up throw it away
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or leave with it the letter and and then put away the pen that they used for the
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first attempt and then picked out a different pen for the second attempt right so there's a lot of things that
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that have been missed and over the years that felt pen thing that that's a strong
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detail here in that case that felt pen thing just kind of ceases to exist anymore
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when reviewing the facts of the case so for me this is very difficult because you got to tend to believe
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Michael when he tells you about this phone call and it's not like he waited 10 years to tell anybody about this no
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he was telling people right away he was documenting this as much as he could so that
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call and then Gary showing up at the anniversary which the there's photographic proof of
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that there's yeah there's a photograph at least one that I've seen so it's not a question if he was there he was there
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and then I I don't know I I I don't know what the next th those two things stick
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out to me and maybe uh distant third would be the handwriting sample because like I
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said before I even knew who they were talking about I was going well that letter looks like it matches this other
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letter mhm and then somebody said well that that's written by Gary and you go oh I maybe that does make him a
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legitimate suspect I mean if I'm an investigator I'm looking into him but I'm not looking into him in
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2023 I'm looking at him right away in this this crime and I just don't understand and I I guess I will never
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understand why this case in particular just like there's blinders on and I think again you can make argument that
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there's blinders on both sides some people right away I think because your own thoughts and feelings like there's
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no way a mother could do this there's no way a father could do this blinders on there's no way there was an intruder
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Blinder on I mean it's just it it just baffles me that these people that we hire to serve and protect weren't able
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to just follow the evidence let the evidence tell you what the answer is well and when you only have one homicide
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in your in your city for the entirety of a year let's put as many hands on this thing as we can right it would seem like
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this case which would take top priority which I believe that it did in some form
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some fashion but it doesn't look to me like you sent a whole team of people out there to investigate every lead because
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3,000 tips coming into your tip line can be overwhelming to any agency especially
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a smaller agency like Boulder you we talking at the time what 100,000 people lived there so it's it's
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a a larger town but not not a huge City not they don't have NYPD on this thing and I just feel like in this case
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a case that was so polarizing case that was so much in the paper and such a media frenzy that I don't know that they
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fully investigated every aspect in every angle of this case L Smith himself who a
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God-fearing man says that Boulder Police Department didn't follow up a 95% of those tips that came into the tip line
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yeah the thing here is with Gary Aliva I don't know if he's responsible we know what he's capable of we know
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that he's in the a area we know that that some of the the more seasoned detectives had some strong suspicions of
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him he's we're told at one date that he is excluded per the DNA we're told told years later that he's not been included
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or excluded per the city of Boulder so I don't know what is the the actual true science of including him or excluding
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him as your suspect per those two different very different statements right but with him and we have some very
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I know Captain right now we have some very smart guys very smart gals out there listening going well it doesn't
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seem like there's a whole lot of new news you know news old news is not news and so we got some very smart
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individuals out there in listener land right now going Mr Colonel there's not a whole lot on this
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guy since 2016 why you make such an a fuss of it today right well actually there's a lot
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of talk about this guy this whole year now a lot of it is not in not actually new stuff but the reason why I think a
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lot of this is surfacing and a lot of people are really focusing and and honing in on Gary ala this year and
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these different news outlets honing in on him this year I think it's the threat it's the threat that comes along with
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somebody like Gary Aliva getting out of prison well he's supposedly going to be getting out soon it's a mandatory
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release right it's it's not like oh we're going to put him in front of a board and we're going to decide if he
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has been rehabilitated or if he should live amongst the the law-abiding citizens no it's a mandatory Rel he will
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be out next year well again so there's a there's a threat level that comes with releasing somebody like him he's clearly
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not rehabilitated when we when we know that first degree rape on a child and then
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he's later caught with child pornography a lot of child pornography he so he's not been
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rehabilitated on that level and then let's take this a step further he has asked at least one individual according
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to Michael veil's statements he has asked Michael Veil please send me pictures of young girls please send me
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pictures of John Ben ramsy to which Michael Veil says I don't one I'm not going to do that but two I don't think I
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would be allowed to per the law this guy that's what he's in prison for they're not going to let him receive those
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pictures you know what his response to that is well she's my religion she's become my religion so
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it's my religious right to have pictures of her you mean to tell me this guy gets
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back out on the streets and he's not looking for a victim he's not he's not looking in the most disturbing way
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possible at children ridiculous I well and on top of that he's a RoR yes so where is he going
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to end up who knows so everybody's every child is now has a threat against them once he's released but also when people
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go well well maybe he was cleared maybe he wasn't cleared why are we even talking about this guy again our what we
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believe our job is is not to tell you exactly what we think and and that you should think the way we think our
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job is to try to tell a full picture of a case and I think now 27 years later you
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can't tell the full story of the John Benet Ramsey case without bringing up Gary I found an interest interesting
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quote from John Andrew Ramsey in direct regard about the possibility of Gary Aliva being his sister's killer so this
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was a statement that he gave to an outlet called Westward and he actually dismisses Oliva as a great suspect and
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and I will read you his exact words he says quote I am a numbers guy always looking for a way to improve the odds of
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catching John B killer an easy way to improve the odds is to identify and investigate any child sex offenders
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living in Boulder in 1996 to further narrow the field we are looking for a very rare breed of
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pedophile a sadistic pedophile a creature so Craven they gain pleasure by torturing and quite often killing young
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children these guys sit at the very top of a a large pile of shitbirds based on Gary's past actions
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toay [Music] all right we are back in the garage spanking those earballs cheers to all the people in the
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mosh pit yeah the M if you're in the mosh pit hey just calm down just calm down already can you imagine goodness
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all right onwards and upwards cheers to everybody cheers last week we were so honored to have the great John Anderson
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on the show to talk about his good friend Lou Smith Master detective if you haven't checked out those episodes yet
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make sure you go back and check out those episodes they're all about the Ramsay case and L Smith's incredible
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legendary law enforcement career but one thing we talked about Captain was this GoFundMe right this GoFundMe was set up
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in the John Benet ramsy case we have put the link on our social media accounts on
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Twitter on X on Instagram so please go take a look there's been some money raised already we want to kind of lead
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the charge with our listeners marching arm in-arm for justice for this little girl we have taken some of the beer fund
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money and we are very proud to tell everyone that we donated $2,000 to the GoFundMe the efforts here that are being
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made is to keep and continue the DNA testing to eliminate suspects from L's long list of
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suspects that he had in this case and we've said it time and time again here in the garage is one of the things that
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we said years ago was that if you can't if you can't can't narrow it down to one
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suspect at the very least you can do in your investigation is starting to exclude the other suspects cuz that gets
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you closer to the truth so we're hoping that you will join us in that effort in getting Justice for this little girl
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let's get this case solved yeah let's get this case solved and and over and done with now when we talk about
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confessions the captain so rightfully so yesterday said well Gary Aliva is not the only person to give some form of a
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confession and that's very typical you will see that in these high-profile famous Infamous cases whatever you want
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to call it heck in the Amy mahalic case there were confessions that were deemed to be untrue I was on the lake
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Eerie murder show simply to talk about one of those confessions and it was the most bizarre thing right in the Amy
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mahalic case from 1989 in Northeast Ohio Bay Village Ohio Young girl if you're not familiar young girl goes she's
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abducted talk to the perpetrator on the phone who put together this ruse to abduct her and her body's not located
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for a couple months well after her body's located there's some guy that jumps up in the middle of of a church
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mass and starts confessing to the whole congregation marching up and down the aisles saying that he killed Amy
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mahalic the police are called he's arrested in front of the whole church and they investigate this guy they look
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into everything he's saying they were able to figure out that he wasn't all there and that he did not kill the young
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girl but in this case we have Gary ala's weird convoluted very cryptic at times different versions of his confession
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right he's like tells his friend I've pled guilty to killing her I was there when she was killed but I didn't do it
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uh after she was killed she came to me I guess on some kind of spiritual level and revealed herself to me all these
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kind of very weird strange statements coming from a very weird bizarre sex offender violent
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man but we would be remiss if we didn't talk about John Mark Carr as well well I
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think the problem with Carr becomes that it's hard to pin down if he would even be able to be in the area at the time
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exactly yeah and so he becomes of Interest this is like 10 years after Jean benet's
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murder investigators track him down in Thailand he's living there in 2006 at the time he was also connected
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with child porn charges in the US those charges were dropped but this mystery surrounding car
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at the time continued for years it sounds to me like they they may have abandoned some of these porn charges I
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don't know if it's because of of him moving to Thailand or his possibility involvement with John Benet but once
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they track him down from everything I could see and everything I reviewed and remember from 2006 it appears once he's
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tracked down that he cooperated in the sense that he gave some confessions that in some weird ways are similar to Gary
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alas yeah here's a quote I was with John Benet when she died this is what Carr told reporters after the rest and I
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remember seeing this on the TV man he was visibly nervous he's kind of stuttering as well and he's saying
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something to the effect of her death was an accident heard a very similar thing from Gary Aliva police say no crime
00:40:44
scene evidence connects Carr to the crime scene there's also some other statements that he gave
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regarding the child's death that don't they don't align with with the science and the
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evidence not just with the body but also the crime scene you know he says in parts of his confession that that he
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drugged her that John Benet was drugged and there is absolutely no evidence to support that well I think the other
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problem too is again you don't find this out about his confession but when they made the
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statement the The Da made the statement hey we've cleared all the Ramsay because
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it their DNA doesn't match the DNA that we have but then you find out that the DNA that they have is
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possibly a mixture of multiple males and then you find out that car is saying well I was
00:41:44
there and there was multiple men there that you go well does that make sense with the DNA that's
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found right you know it's and this guy is definitely a [ __ ] bird you know well and he he gets
00:42:02
onto the radar because he's sending you know he's writing to somebody in Colorado and telling them that he was
00:42:11
the killer yeah and then of course he backpedals a little bit once talking to police and to reporters saying that well
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I didn't kill her her death was an accident I was there when she when she died listen to this here captain
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the news outlets were able to track down a resume for John Mark Carr and he we should point out that for
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at times he was using an alias the Alias was Alexis valerin Reich and they track down this resume
00:42:50
because he's applying for jobs that involve him having Direct D contact working with
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children and so this he his broad statement that he says in this resume announces my passion is my
00:43:10
work with children and his resume says the introduction I am an energetic creative professional from America who
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has worked with children as a nanny and a teacher since 1997 that Spooks the hell out of me well
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again that's what we were saying is some of these uh weirdos some of these pedophiles they they position themselves
00:43:33
to be around children yep and to further back that up he says my University concentration of study revolved around
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Elementary education and early childhood development I have lived internationally
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in Europe Asia central America Australia and the US Coast to Coast my passion is
00:43:52
my work with children is he running around going from area to area because he's he's running from something I mean
00:44:01
he there's also been reports that he was in the process of or seeking gender reassignment and there a lot of
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Suspicion around that was that his obsession with young girls that it's thought that maybe he would be able
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to and some of this comes from secondhand from people that are saying these are his words to me right where
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it's of the belief that he thought that maybe this would put him in a position to be closer to young females so I think
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a lot of people have dismissed Carr completely which I I don't think that's insane to do or U lunacy thought
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but you know um but you start going well he he confesses one way then he says well I was was there and there was more
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than one individual there and you go well that kind of lines up with some of what Gary is
00:45:03
saying which then you could go well that all sounds like you know uh cocka poo right but then you go back and if you
00:45:13
really study a lot of what Lou is saying he's saying well there could be an intruder but there could be more than
00:45:21
one individual and so that puts a little more weight to what they're saying but again you have two individuals that seem
00:45:29
to be also obsessed with John benay Ramsay and this the John Benet Ramsey case so did they get that information
00:45:38
from Lou and say okay well if if if everybody thinks that Lou is so smart and he says
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it's possible that there was more than one male individual involved well then if I if I bring that up in my confession
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then again then maybe we people will put more validity to what I'm saying and you know
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I love to say it please don't hear what we're not saying but the thing here is Captain that you cannot disregard the
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strangeness of the when you compare some of Carr's confession to that of Gary Al
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leas there's some there's similarities in some of those confessions and we're not saying that they're connected we're
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not saying that there's any direct connection from this individual to that individual at all we're not saying that
00:46:30
but it's very bizarre when you have a couple of people that are saying look here's a possibility that many have not
00:46:36
considered maybe more than one person is responsible here and then we got these two two individuals that are saying
00:46:43
separately independently of one another similar stories and you know I I love the phrase
00:46:51
crazy ignites crazy because I think it's very true I don't think that these two have anything to do with one another but
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it's just weird to me that these crazy statements given by both of these individuals independently have some
00:47:04
similari so the the way that they get on to this this uh John Carr character is that he is like a 40 41 year old school
00:47:15
teacher at the time he's claiming he's trying to he's got this manuscript that he
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wants to get published that's why he's sharing this information initially and I guess it's within that
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manuscript that he claims to have drugged sexually assaulted and then accidentally killed John
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Benet and of course they didn't find any evidence at the crime scene linking car
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to the crime scene there was no evidence at all to suggest that the victim was ever
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drugged but it's still weird to have some dude saying this and you know he sending
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emails using different aliases or pen names whatever you want to call them Dax daxis the Conqueror is
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one dark prns prawns I don't know Alexis there I don't know how to decipher some
00:48:12
of these words here that he's using but later individuals figure out that the the the legal name here the person
00:48:22
you're looking for is John Mark Carr right he also wanted to start what many believe would have been a child sex cult
00:48:32
he was working on on forming this cult that he called the immaculates and there's much that you
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can find about speculation about the immaculates and what they were to be or what that cult may have
00:48:47
been the Genesis of that that idea a bunch of [ __ ] Birds right you can find that on the internet I don't think that
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that's a mess that we want to dance in too much here today I go back to when the The Da says the ramsy anybody in
00:49:05
that household their DNA does not match the murderer's DNA MH but then you read more
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into that there is some kind of mixture and maybe more than one individual again I don't know if that
00:49:22
gives validity to their story because they could have read that stuff themselves and then use that to their
00:49:29
advantage but maybe we're not looking for one killer maybe we're looking for multiple killers and that makes the case
00:49:38
even more complex because again we we don't know if the intent was murder or if the
00:49:48
intent was kidnapping and a murder took place I mean this case is just it's bizarre are and I think that's why
00:49:58
people do such deep Dives on this and and I really think to understand the full scope of this story you have to
00:50:06
talk about these individuals well and the other thing too is not just talk about the individuals but it's it's take
00:50:12
the time if you haven't already to venture outside of the walls of the Ramsay home
00:50:19
for a potential suspect and the reason why we say that we keep bringing that up is again some of the experts have
00:50:27
said there is evidence to suggest that there there's another solution to this problem another solution
00:50:36
to this investigation that does not include JN or paty or Burke being the perpetrator or any of those individuals
00:50:44
covering up for another and let's point this out here on the night that John Benet Ramsey
00:50:53
was killed these this family is not like the rest of us right we're we're all most of us in listener land are going to
00:51:02
be pretty middle class regular people this was a very wealthy man a very wealthy family he had a business
00:51:13
that he created from the ground up and they became a subsidiary of lockme which is a
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government contracted entity I think the correct stat Martin sorry yeah I think the correct statement is John ramsy
00:51:32
wasn't a businessman he was a businessman that's right he was a businessman he three
00:51:41
homes two airplanes this I mean most of us will never get to buy one airplane let alone
00:51:49
get a second one going no and the other thing though too though that gets me is if you again follow the whole
00:51:56
story this guy was super successful and went to the ends of the Earth and drained almost all his resources to try
00:52:08
to figure out what happened to his daughter here's the other thing do you think that he didn't step on some necks
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along the way to get to where he was success-- wise yeah and he always said that you know I think it was Lou and and
00:52:22
even John Douglas that said this probably has less to do with your daughter and more
00:52:28
to do with you and I can tell you this out of personal experience now while I am not a
00:52:36
businessman I have worked for some very successful individuals and I have seen on more than
00:52:44
one occasion where they are threatened or accosted by somebody because of their success to be to get to that level of
00:52:53
success you are going to naturally create some enemies and if you created an enemy along the way that happens to
00:53:00
be a pedophile well that's a recipe for disaster and the reason why I bring up their John success and let's not shy
00:53:10
away from the idea either that he was helped with that you know behind every great man is a great woman probably even
00:53:16
better woman and in Ramsey's case he did have help from his spouse building this this
00:53:26
business but to to to sell and then be contracted by locked Martin is a huge deal they had hit the billion doll Mark
00:53:37
in sales leading up to John Benet Ramsay's murder and I I point that out just to remind everybody out there in
00:53:45
listener land their home this house that she was killed in regardless of who killed her was not like my house it was
00:53:51
not like your house this house had many more points of Entry than any of our homes and it gets very
00:53:58
difficult to wrap your head around that but keep in mind this this is the reported facts of that structure on the
00:54:06
night in the morning of the time in question regarding John Ben's murder there had been two windows
00:54:13
that were left slightly open to allow electrical cords for the outside Christmas lights to pass through we've
00:54:19
all some of us have done this right where you run an extension cord out through a window or through your garage
00:54:26
door right and you have to leave it open just enough for that extension cord to go out there to power your Christmas
00:54:32
lights or your Halloween decorations or what have you so this is the report two windows that were left slightly open to
00:54:39
allow the electrical cords for the outside Christmas lights to pass through a broken basement window and one
00:54:45
unlocked door some reports state that that door may have been found slightly a jar L Smith isn't telling you 100%
00:54:54
somebody came in and killed that kid he's saying when you fact there here's four
00:55:01
things that are suggestive that maybe somebody did have access to that home someone other than the Ramsay and back
00:55:09
to your very valid point here of John Ramsey and even Pat paty Ramsey who's passed
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away spending a lot of time and effort and money you know a lot of his success and wealth has been gobbled up by the
00:55:28
murder of his daughter and the investigation and the resources that he's pushed forward to one protecting
00:55:35
himself legally we're not going to pretend that that's not Happened One protecting himself and his family
00:55:41
legally but also and look protecting yourself legally does not we cannot assume guilt
00:55:48
from that any one of us if we were falsely accused of anything would want to protect ourselves legally
00:55:55
unless you don't give a [ __ ] about your life or your family then you do that but a lot of his money his his
00:56:04
wealth his success has been exhausted and spent and burned up by not just protecting him and his family legally
00:56:11
But continuing the investigative efforts on a privatized level on the murder of his daughter and one thing that caught
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my eye and really kind of tugged at my heartstrings here Captain was late last year John Ramsey sent a letter to
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Colorado governor Jared paus who was reelected in a landside victory in 2022 that letter from John Ramsay to the
00:56:38
governor current governor is requesting an in-person meeting with the governor as well as help from the governor in the
00:56:46
governor's office in solving his daughter John benet's murder a portion of the letter from John read quote I am
00:56:55
78 now and realize that time for answers is running out the murder of my daughter
00:57:03
can never be undone there will never be peace or closure but there can and should be
00:57:11
Justice John Ramsay says Governor paus responded to his letter calling it The First Communication that he has ever had
00:57:20
from the state quote gave us certainly some indication that he would like to help
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move the case along John said there were no commitments but I was [Music] [Music]
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