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town just a short distance from Fort Worth three teenagers were getting ready to head out together for a night of
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fun in fact in some ways it was likely to be a special night it was a date night with a third wheel but a welcomed
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one 17-year-old Robert bran was a good kid and he had been granted the use of the
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family car Bran's 15-year-old cousin Mark dunman was in town visiting from California Robert brand and Mark dunman
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climbed into the brand Family Ford and headed off to pick up Bran's girlfriend pretty 16-year-old Edna
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Sullivan Edna was a smart and popular high schooler all three of the teens were looking forward to a night together
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night out after her parents approved Edna rushed out the door when the two teens
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arrived to pick her up the three were off to catch a movie at the local drive-in movie
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theater the night was going well after the movie the weather was still great and
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they still had some time until curfews they decided to enjoy the comfortable summer night and each
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other's company a little longer before heading home so they drove around briefly before parking the car at a
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local baseball field the three teens got out of the Ford and decided they would hang out near the car and just shoot the
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breeze some more before taking Edna back for the night if only the weather could have
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been less favorable that night maybe the teens would have went straight home after the
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movie had it rained at least the three of them would not have been standing outside leaning up against the
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Ford in full view of whoever or whatever passed by now even though it was a Saturday
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night this is a tiny Texas town so any Vehicles passing by would have been few and far
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between in fact the area was a bit of a ghost town that night but only if those ghosts could talk
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maybe they could have warned the teens about what was about to happen across town two men were cruising
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around in a two-door Dodge with the windows down partly so they could enjoy the cool summer air and for one of them
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so he could have a clear unobstructed view of the streets and the cars as they drove by slowly surveilling the
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area the two men were dirty brows and chest coated with dried salty sweat from the day's labors they had spent the day
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working in the hot summer sun pouring concrete the young man in the passenger seat was 18-year-old Roy Dale green Roy
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wanted to go home after working that day after all the day was long the work was
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hard and he was tired but instead of going straight home he was stuck riding shotgun with his boss's son nonetheless
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his boss's son was Ken Ken was two years older than Roy Roy didn't care much for
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Ken Roy was afraid of Ken Ken was tall large and often during the work days Ken liked to brag about
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having a criminal record after cruising around a little longer Roy was losing his patience and he asked Ken where are
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we going what are we doing out here Ken turned and gave Roy a cold dark look and
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said I'm looking for a girl around 10 p.m. Ken spotted the three teens leaning up against the Ford
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near the baseball field he drove closer and told Roy to be quiet with the windows of the Dodge still in the down
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position Ken slowed the car as they approached the ball field he had his right hand on the steering wheel his
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left arm hanging out of the driver's side window when they got close to the Ford Ken put his right foot gently on
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the brake pedal his two-door Dodge muscle car now creeping along at a near crawl Ken wanted to really see the three
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teens he wanted to observe them he wanted to look at the girl when he saw her when he really saw
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her he he knew that was it the Beast inside of him was going to get her Ken would have it no other
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way Ken lifted his foot from the brake pedal allowing the Dodge to continue on first at the usual idling speed and then
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accelerating just enough to push the car down the Lonely Road at the normal speed Ken parked his car about 150 yards
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down the road from the teenagers Ken told Roy he was going to rob the teens and have a little
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fun Kenna opened the car door he leaned over and retrieved his 38 Colt revolver from the glove box he looked at Roy and
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told him when I get out of the car you get in the driver's seat once I get up there to those kids you pull the car up
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to me Ken got out of the car and walked at a faster Pace than normal from this distance those three teenagers almost
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look like tiny people they grew a little taller with each step he took towards them he had already made up his mind
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those little people were going to be his when he was close enough when he was close enough he
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decided it was time to take control of those little people he pulled out his gun aimed it at the oldest boy and told
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them if you don't do what I say I'll shoot and kill all of you Ken demanded the keys to the victim's
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Ford with Roy following in Ken's car with Ken's Gun still on the three Roy pulled up alongside of what
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Roy thought were robbery victims Ken told the three teenagers to get in the trunk of the brand Family
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Ford they complied Ken drove the victim's car along a highway Roy once again followed behind
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Ken came to a field and parked in the field Roy parked nearby Ken got out of the car and walked
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to the rear of the vehicle he opened up the trunk and then at gunpoint he ordered 16-year-old Edna Sullivan out of
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the trunk of the Ford Ken then instructed Roy to put her into the trunk of his Dodge with Edna secured in the closed
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trunk of the Dodge and with the two male teens still in the trunk of the Ford huddled together Ken said he would have
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to knock them off Robert brand and Mark dunman begged for their lives Ken ignored their cries
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and fired six shots unloading all of the bullets from the cylinder of his revolver into the trunk of the car
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killing both of the Teen age boys that he had placed there they left the vehicle parked right
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there on that isolated country road Ken got back into his vehicle once again he was behind the wheel Roy took
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to the passenger side the girl was still in the trunk they drove off to another location
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this new spot was just as secluded as the field where kenned executed the boys after assaulting the girl Ken used
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a 3-ft long piece of a broomstick from his car to take her life that night Roy and unfortunately
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those three kids learned what real evil was Ken was a classic case of real true pure
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evil Kenneth Allan McDuff was 6' 4 in tall 20 years old old and mean as hell he had already killed three people
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that we know of when he was a kid they called him a bully when he was 18 they called him the bad boy from
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Rosebud when he killed they called him the broomstick killer and when he killed again they called him
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monster this is true crime garage [Music] oh I [Music] see this brings us to the following
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morning when some fishermen made a horrific Discovery now we should set the table first by stating that Robert
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Bran's parents were wondering what was going on heck they were probably discussing what kind
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of punishment to hand out as we know from the terrible events of the previous night Robert brand and his cousin Mark
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dunman did not come home Edna's parents had no clue what was going on they weren't worried at all this is because
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when they woke up that Sunday morning they were completely unaware that their daughter was missing this is because
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Edna while she left their house Saturday late afternoon early evening to go on her
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date however this was supposed to be a double date Ronda Chamberlain was a close friend of Edna Ronda was supposed
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to go on the date with Edna so Edna and Robert were a couple and Ronda had been on at least one maybe two dates with
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Robert's cousin Mark before the night that the three youths were killed so so after Robert and Mark picked up Edna
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they went to Rhonda's house to pick her up Edna was going to stay over at ronda's house after the double date but
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when they got to Rhonda's house they learned that she was not feeling well so the three went out without her Edna
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still planned to stay at Rhonda's but this is a time when we weren't all in constant communication with one
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another so when Edna did not return to R 's house that night she just thought that Edna decided to go
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home Edna's parents thought that she was at ronda's house and they didn't know that Edna was missing until Rhonda calls
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them the next morning looking for her friend it's crazy to think about how things could have been much different if
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Rhonda would have went along with the friends Rhonda could have been killed as well or possibly a group of four instead
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of three maybe they're never attacked in the first place I think this monster was
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going to do what he was going to do no matter how many people were there that's the thing with somebody like
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McDuff I think that if it wasn't going to be these three youths or Edna and Ronda or whomever I think he had made up
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his mind that he was going to abduct rape and kill someone I think he was going to find a victim no matter what
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that night and unfortunately these are the three that he found well it's very strange too because a lot of these
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killers they take their time and they Roam by themselves not with the individual in their car and then on top
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of that they look for one individual one vulnerable in individual it's almost like this guy
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wanted a challenge yes I it's hard to say it's one of the those situations too where it may have been slim pickings for
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somebody that's out there looking for such a victim right but you're right that it's weird that he chose to have a
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partner or an accomplice that night before we get too far into the weeds let's continue on with with our timeline
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here Captain so the fisherman found the brand Family Ford the next morning at Daybreak very early the vehicle was
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found just off of the road in that field where the two boys were killed this is right where Kenneth McDuff and Roy green
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had left the vehicle the two teenage boys still in the trunk of the car The Killers still unknown to the police at
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this time and for whatever reason they had used Edna's mascara to write her name on the back window of the vehicle
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from my understanding they had taken this vehicle captain and and try to wedge it up against a fence I believe
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the reason that they attempted to do this is because with the bodies in the trunk and
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the way that the bodies were without getting too far into these horrific descriptions they were not able to close
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the trunk completely and so they decided to back it up and wedge it up against a fence
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hoping to conceal the horrific scene in some form or fashion but we now know that clearly
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didn't work as as soon as the sun comes up this vehicle is spotted but what a horrific scene this is something you'd
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find in a horror movie so of course the county sheriff's department was called and out they came to the death car in
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the field investigators found Edna's white straw purse in the back seat of the vehicle Robert br's parents were
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notified IED immediately they were told that Sheriff's found the two boys shot to death in the trunk of the car they
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had located some of the girl's personal belongings but they could not find the girl and they didn't really know where
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to look of course Robert's parents were asked if anyone else would have been out
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with their son his cousin and a girlfriend that night this led the sheriff's detectives to Rhonda the girl
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that the teenage girl that by stroke of some really good luck was not with the three teens that were killed that night
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she tells authorities that she was supposed to have gone with the three that night and that no one else was
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planning on going in fact she told the detectives that Edna told Rhonda she would be at her house no later than
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11:30 p.m. the night before and when she didn't arrive she thought that her friend had changed her mind and just
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went back to her own house after the date the sheriff now had had the terrible job of telling Edna's parents
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what was going on between the sheriff's department and Edna's family neither were very hopeful the vibe I got Captain
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when reviewing comments it looks like they were all but convinced that they were looking for a body at this
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point this case of course is all kinds of horrible but for the detectives and the sheriff in charge they are about to
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get a break in their case a break of the biggest kind now our two killers are not in the
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immediate area at all in fact they are near Marlin Texas so they are in another County from where they left the boys
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bodies in the car in fact they are about two hours south of where the murders took place we have a pretty definitive
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timeline here for the event so let's go through that and see how this all plays out here Captain so Kenneth McDuff and
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Roy Green Spot the three teenagers a little after 1 p.m. as we already said the boys were killed a short time after
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that then McDuff and green take the girl in mcduff's car about half of a mile north of where they left the boys sadly
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and sparing the horrific details Edna was killed there a short time later after she was killed McDuff and green
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took the body carrying her further from the road they were looking for a fast way to conceal the body they threw the
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body over a fence they hopped the fence and then dragged the body leaving it behind some bushes after they concealed
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the body they decided that it was time to get out of there they have a considerable drive to make they're going
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to drive mcduff's Dodge back to Roy Green's apartment which is near Marlon Texas during the early portion of the
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drive Drive McDuff discards the broomstick and spent shell casings from his revolver he does this simply by
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tossing them out of his window throwing the items at random spots along the roadside this to me Captain is always
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interesting when we get details like this because we see how often these types of criminals these
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types of killers they truly mimic one another either knowingly or unknowingly there's
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at least a dozen killers that we've talked about that when asked how they got rid of the evidence or concealed the
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evidence so well they're nonchalant about it they're like yeah I just tossed it out the car window as I was driving
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away from the scene well they disgard their victims as trash so they're disregarding the evidence as trash as
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well now also on the way home they stop off and purchased Coca-Cola from a Hillsboro gas station at this same gas
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station both McDuff and green disposed of some of their bloody clothing then they arrive at Roy Green's
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place and they spend the night there now we mentioned that McDuff liked to brag to Roy at work about his criminal record
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yeah cuz he's a piece of [ __ ] Roy believed that most of it if not all of these evil Deeds that McDuff claimed to
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have committed were simply as the kids say bull Hy I wonder what Roy was thinking now
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after these murders yeah because this is evidence that this guy he's been telling
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you he's a piece of [ __ ] he's telling you he does shitty things and now he's proved to you that he is a monster after
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killing Edna on the drive back and while they're trying to go to sleep that night
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so McDuff is saying some real scary [ __ ] to Roy in fact he told him that even before the hell of this this night that
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he had already raped and killed two women he's also coaching Roy on what to say and what to do should Roy get
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questioned by police about the events of that night guy's a real tur sniffer he's
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telling him things like you just want to say nothing at all don't don't say anything at all when they try to press
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you for answers when they keep asking you questions get an attorney he even says when they start to beat on
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you we got to keep in mind this is Texas in the 60s it sounds like a real party when they start to beat on you just keep
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your mouth shut because whatever you get afterwards you know whatever you get from being found guilty or being put in
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prison will be a lot worse done to you than what the cops will do to you so just keep your mouth shut get an
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attorney we didn't see each other tonight he he also says and this is unfortunately one of the more famous
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quotes from Kenneth McDuff but he tells Roy Dale Green killing a woman is like killing a
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chicken they both squawk well this guy's all kinds of levels crazy and all kinds
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of levels demented at this time Kenneth McDuff is 20 years old what I'm seeing here Captain is look we we we need to be
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perfectly honest here Roy Dale green terrible dude he was involved in this stuff with McDuff he was his accomplice
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but what we're seeing what I see here is two very different sets of actions and behaviors by these two people that
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committed these crimes together one we have McDuff who appears to be the the the leader the driving force between the
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two he says he wanted to find a girl he's the one that puts them in the position to be out looking for victims
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and all along he's not only steering the ship but he seems to know what the hell
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he's doing he seems to be concealing evidence and instructing Roy what to do if he's spoken to by the police or
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interviewed by detectives so well one could argue that this was going to happen whether Roy was
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with or not exactly and I feel like we're talking about a situation here Captain where either Kenneth McDuff has
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done this before so he knows what he's doing or he's put a whole hell of a lot of thought into it and planned a lot of
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this stuff in advance and now he's carrying out those plans this night and as we will see the following day as well
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well and like you said he is the definition of a monster the three youths were killed late Saturday night the
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following day the death car and the bodies of Robert and Mark are found that morning we already said that the girl's
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purse was found and its contents emptied out into the vehicle now authorities also recovered the boy's wallets these
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were found in the car as well both emptied out but the sheriff and his men they have no clue they they have no
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to the people in the front and the people in the back and to Colonel Cheers Cheers he's back I'm back don't ask us
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what our middle names are you're strange so that same morning we're about a 100 miles away we have Kenneth McDuff he
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wakes up at his coworker SL his accomplice to a triple homicides apartment Roy Dale green now for
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McDuff this looks like it's just truly just another day for this guy but for his accomplice Roy
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green if he managed to get any sleep at all I I would be surprised but for him Roy he woke up in a nightmare he quickly
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found himself in a mental hell full of emotional turmo oil well he deserves it McDuff tells green that they are going
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to bury mcduff's revolver beside Green's garage and they do how convenient for green that they're going to put the
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murder weapon of two individuals right there next to his his house or his apartment then the two of them Drive the
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Dodge to the home of a mutual friend so this guy's name is Richard Boyd Bo is actually the one who introduced Roy
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green to Kenneth McDuff only about a month prior to the murders now it's really hard to say for certain but I
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don't think that Boyd was made aware of what his two friends had done the night before or at least not at this point in
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our timeline but Boyd allowed McDuff to wash and scrub clean his car at his home
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that day now now Boyd these are still relatively young dudes right McDuff is 20 and Roy green is only 18 at this time
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I don't know how old Boyd is but Boyd still lives with his parents so we could assume similar AG as the other two guys
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by this time of of the day on Sunday with the discoveries of the boys bodies in the car earlier that morning the
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story is All Over the news by the middle of the day there in Texas then once Kenneth McDuff is gone once he leaves
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Boyd's home Roy Dale green the accomplice he hears the news of the two boys being found in the trunk of Robert
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Bran's parents car on the radio and he breaks down and starts crying so then green he then
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confesses about the murders to Richard Boyd's parents Boyd's parents tell Green's mother what Roy
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green said that he and Kenneth McDuff had done the night before Green's mother then convinces Roy
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green that he needs to turn himself in so on that Sunday the searches for Edna the missing girl they lasted all day
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however they came up with nothing they couldn't find her but that was all about the change because Roy green came clean
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to the sheriff and he told him what he did yeah so we actually have Roy Green's statement that he gave to detectives on
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that Sunday yes this is Roy green it's his writing it's him speaking if you will here he says we rode around the
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baseball park and wound up on a gravel road McDuff and often he just says he when referring to McDuff he saw a car
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parked there and we stopped about 150 yard in front of it he got his gun and told me to get out I thought it all was
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a joke I just didn't believe what he said was going to happen I went halfway to the car with him and he went on he
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told the kids in the car to get out or he would shoot them I went up there and he had put them in the trunk of their
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car he drove his car back to their car and he told me to get in his car and follow him I did
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and we drove for a while across the highway we had come in on and he pulled into a field I followed and he said that
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the field wouldn't do so we backed up and went to another field he got out and told the girl to get out he told me to
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put her in the trunk of his car I opened the trunk and she climbed in it was then
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that he said that we couldn't leave any Witnesses or something like that he said
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I'm going to have to knock them off or something like that I got really scared I still thought he was joking but I
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wasn't sure they were on their knees begging him not to shoot them they said we're not going to tell anybody I turned
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towards him and he stuck the gun into the trunk where the boys were and started shooting I saw the Fire come out
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of the gun on the first shot I covered my ears and looked away he shot six times he shot one twice in the head and
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shot the other boy four times in the head a bullet went through the boy's arm as he tried to stop the fire he tried to
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close the trunk but it wouldn't close he then told me to back up his car by that
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time I was almost dying of fright and I did what he said he got in the boy's car
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and backed it into a fence and he got out and told me to help him wipe off the fingerprints I wasn't going to argue
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with him I was expecting to be next so I helped him what a situation to be in like he said if he's telling the truth
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at some point he just thinks that this is all just a joke and that nobody's this crazy and nobody is this
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monstrous and nobody's going to just kill these two guys just so he can get to this girl well I said earlier I would
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be surprised if he got any sleep at all Kenneth McDuff is there at his apartment
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with him that night after these murders and in fact in his statement he goes on to explain what happened after they
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killed the boys but we don't need to tell every story or every part of the story we'll we'll spare everyone the
00:36:42
details of what happened after that simply to uh show a little bit of respect to to our female victim here but
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you can see in his statement like you said Captain if Roy green is telling the truth there he goes very quickly from
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believing a this is a game a this is a joke this large jerk that I have to hang out with for work uh he's just making
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all this stuff up he's trying to be sometime some kind of tough weird guy uh to Roy green believing that Kenneth
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McDuff was going to kill him as well and his statements were that you know I was
00:37:22
nearly frightened to death by that time he tells me we can't leave any Witnesses
00:37:27
or something like that he's probably sitting there thinking holy [ __ ] I'm a witness as well even though I was riding
00:37:34
shotgun in mcduff's car I technically am a witness here and so of course green once he turns himself in he's going to
00:37:44
be asked by reporters you know why did you turn yourself in and he says that he he just couldn't stop thinking about
00:37:53
what he had witnessed and what he was a part of and even the things that he had done the night before he said that I
00:38:00
quote I could not live with myself I didn't want it on my mind he was saying things like every time I close my eyes I
00:38:08
was seeing events from the night before and he even said that he was hearing the haunting
00:38:18
moans of the two boys like he couldn't quit hearing that and so unfortunately he did not do the right thing on that
00:38:27
Saturday night but he does the right thing on that Sunday and turns himself in after being counseled to do so by his
00:38:37
parents his mother and uh Boyd's parents as well but question for you what is the
00:38:43
right thing at in that moment he just killed two guys in front of you that he says are witnesses like you say in his
00:38:52
mind if he thinks he's a witness then everything that he's doing is just self-preservation at that point it is
00:39:00
with the exception of some of the things that took place afterwards when they moved Edna to another
00:39:06
location um he he's he's got blood on his hands and that's the about the most polite way that I can put it um you know
00:39:15
Edna wasn't unfortunately and this sounds weird to say unfortunately Edna was not shot like the boys were she had
00:39:24
a much slower lengthier death and McDuff used a broomstick to not just choke her
00:39:33
with it essentially Crush her her neck her throat you know whether green was did it out of being terrified or what
00:39:42
have you he was part of that he was there for that he helped control this young girl all the while and and you're
00:39:51
right Captain it's it's it's easy for for dumb garage guy here that's sitting in the air conditioning with a with a
00:39:58
cold beer in the in in the comfort of our own garage to to to sit up on Mount Pas here
00:40:06
and say what is the right thing and what is the wrong thing and none of us really
00:40:11
know what to do how the hell any of I I just telling the story to to I can understand Roy Green's Terror because
00:40:19
just telling the story makes the hair stand up on on my arms and so I can I get it that he says that he's he's
00:40:28
terrified hell I'm a little scared telling the story here myself but it's it's one of those things that you just
00:40:36
if I'm in the situation hell yeah I'm terrified hell yeah I'm scared and yeah you're right it it becomes
00:40:41
self-preservation at some point I guess in hindsight looking back on it what you
00:40:48
say here is if there's any opportunity to get your hands on that gun that's the right thing that's the right thing to do
00:40:55
if you have an opportunity to get your hands on that gun that's the right thing to do
00:41:02
now we've referenced a little bit Kenneth mcduff's size but you know 18 to 20 dudes that are a little older can be
00:41:11
a little intimidating Kenneth McDuff is in intimidating by Nature not just by his size but by his actions the way that
00:41:20
he speaks and he's he's very he's very cold and very rugged and he's 6'4 about 200 pounds he was a little
00:41:33
thin at this point but you take a look at a picture of Roy green and Roy green looks like a boy I mean I know that he's
00:41:39
18 years old but he looks like he was about 15 in the pictures that I've seen and he's rail thin so gun or no gun
00:41:48
we'll try to put some of those pictures up on Instagram but I would argue first of all you're a piece of [ __ ] for
00:41:55
hanging out with with somebody that you think is a piece of [ __ ] if you think this guy is dangerous you don't like
00:42:01
this guy you shouldn't be hanging out with him in the first place but then you get into this odd situation where yeah
00:42:09
if you can get a hold of that gun that maybe you can control the situation maybe you
00:42:16
can kill this guy but if not if this guy kills you if you if you act up and he gets nervous that you are now just going
00:42:25
to be another eyewitness if if he kills you this becomes a quadruple homicide and I don't know if this case
00:42:36
gets solved at that point your only hope for solving this case is connecting Kenneth McDuff to Roy green because
00:42:43
there is a connection there there's no connection between Kenneth McDuff Roy green and the three teens that were
00:42:49
killed and and green you know he he worked with McDuff he they were co-workers so and they had worked all
00:42:57
day that day together in that area and it was after a couple beers after work that McDuff decided he wanted to find a
00:43:07
girl as he said and so I don't know how much we would say that Roy green was hanging out with McDuff I get I get more
00:43:15
of the impression of like this is a guy that I work with he's kind of my boss because his father owns the company that
00:43:23
that I work for and I feel like this is a dude that he had to be around Kenneth McDuff and probably didn't like him and
00:43:31
thought that a lot of what this guy said was was complete hogwash uh you know bragging about being some kind of of
00:43:40
criminal but so some reports here Captain say that Kenneth McDuff was arrested Sunday night others other
00:43:48
Reports say that he was arrested sometime on Monday so I'm not certain which one is factually true either way
00:43:56
arresting Kenneth McDuff is a much different operation than arresting Roy green green
00:44:03
turned himself in going not only along willingly but telling investigators everything he knew about the crimes and
00:44:13
the evidence with Kenneth McDuff it's a whole different situation they they're trying to find him they're trying to
00:44:21
locate him because they get his name and and some of his information from Roy green but this dude's already committed
00:44:31
a whole bunch of crimes a lot of kind of petty crimes in the area so this is a guy that is well known to the local
00:44:41
authorities he's well known to the sheriff yeah he's what I like to call a local known bag of [ __ ] I think we need
00:44:48
to dig into something here you know who is Kenneth McDuff leading up to this and
00:44:53
we hinted around about his troubles with the law on the trailer a bit but this is
00:44:58
a guy that the authorities in the area the sheriff and his Department were well aware of Kenneth McDuff and his family
00:45:06
so Kenneth McDuff grew up in the Tiny Town of Rosebud Texas back in the late 60s the town was so small that it was
00:45:15
often referred to as a one horse town the most recent the 2020 census shows just over 1,00 residents
00:45:26
like most Texas towns on your list of notable people one may expect to find someone of notable football Fame so even
00:45:35
in this Tiny Town Rosebud has three one successful Collegiate football coach and
00:45:41
two NFL players one of which is legendary Hall of Famer leanian Tomlinson but it's a short list of
00:45:50
people which makes sense with a small population but the list of notable persons from from Rosebud is just four
00:45:57
names long three of the men of football excellence and the other unfortunately is Kenneth McDuff next to his name it
00:46:07
says the broomstick killer a serial killer responsible for the deaths of 9 to 14 people a man who reshaped the
00:46:17
criminal justice system in Texas well let's dive more into his background and history Kenneth's mother Addie was
00:46:25
locally called the pistol pack and Mama because she was known to regularly carry
00:46:31
carry a gun and had a reputation for pulling a gun on people in town she says she carried the gun because Rose Bud was
00:46:39
a rough Place back then Rosebud was likely a rough place because of her sons Lonnie and Kenneth the mcduffs had four
00:46:50
kids total two girls and two sons Kenneth was the youngest of the four now in school Kenneth was known to be
00:46:59
intelligent a loner and a bully well that's commonly known as the smartass jackass he did not finish high school
00:47:08
and he started to break the law when he was about 16 years old later The Falls County Sheriff would tell people that
00:47:17
Kenneth and his older brother Lonnie were two of the roughest hoodlums Falls County Texas had back in the 60s and
00:47:27
we're talking about this he's he's talking about them before these murders now Kenneth's father owns a
00:47:36
successful concrete business the one that we mentioned that Roy green was working for Kenneth's mother owned a
00:47:45
laundromat so while they are a successful family they are plenty Rough Around the Edges if you will if you want
00:47:54
to talk about obvious murderous Tendencies signs of a future serial killer here's one for you as a boy
00:48:03
Kenneth McDuff in his spare time would walk around with a 22 caliber gun and was known around town for shooting and
00:48:11
killing small animals and birds so to be perfectly clear here he's not hunting in
00:48:18
the sense that one would go out and hunt for sports say like a a deer hunter no he's just walking around with a 22 and
00:48:25
if he sees an animal or a bird he's likely to shoot it just for his own Amusement that's because he's a freaking
00:48:32
barbaric psychopath now one major issue captain in my humble garage opinion here
00:48:38
is that Kenneth and his brother Lonnie were it looks like they were allowed to pretty much do what they wanted to with
00:48:46
little to no consequences and this is because largely in part of their mother Addie their
00:48:54
mother considered her two Sons to be perfect little angels while as we mentioned the sheriff and the deputies
00:49:02
referred to Kenneth and Lonnie as two of the roughest hoodlums and holigans in town so quite a contrast in opinions
00:49:11
there I should say well what's crazy here is that you'd think that he'd have some respect he has a strong-minded
00:49:16
strong willed mother and he has two siblings two sisters and I don't know you'd think he'd have some kind of
00:49:25
natural respect for women so Kenneth starts to get into trouble around the age of 16 at some point he drops out of
00:49:33
high school His official criminal record began two years before these murders in
00:49:42
1964 at age 18 McDuff was convicted of 12 counts of burglary and attempted burglary in three different Texas
00:49:51
counties so Falls County Bell County and milum County he was sentenced to 12 4year prison terms which would have been
00:50:01
great because then he would have been locked up instead of being out in 66 committing these murders but the terms
00:50:12
the prison terms were to be served concurrently So you you're not getting 12 fouryear prison terms you're
00:50:20
basically getting one you're serving them all at the same time one four-year prison term yeah which is pretty
00:50:27
ridiculous so he actually makes parole in December of 1965 he's out of prison for a short
00:50:35
period of time uh but then returned to prison after becoming involved in some type of fight this must have been a
00:50:42
violation of his parole so he sent back to prison briefly and he is soon released after that well it's just so
00:50:52
crazy how many times we hear about these killers that if they would have served their full term that they wouldn't have
00:50:59
been out of prison to commit this new crime so that brings us up to 1966 when these three murders are
00:51:09
committed and like we said arresting McDuff is a completely different situation than arresting Roy green they
00:51:19
had to figure out one where McDuff would be and because of his nature and what they knew about him already and
00:51:27
regardless of burying the gun near Roy Green's home or apartment they were worried the law
00:51:36
enforcement was worried about McDuff being armed and of course he's considered to be very dangerous so they
00:51:44
wanted to kind of Ambush him and their first attempt at arresting McDuff was he had told green and some other people
00:51:54
that he had a date which would have been Sunday the day after the murders so they
00:52:01
try to Ambush him when picking up his date and I don't know if they arrived on the scene late they they may not have
00:52:09
known all the the the details the the important stuff to to kind of corner this guy but they end up having to
00:52:19
fire significant amount of bullets at McDuff and his vehicle and it's only after they shoot out his tires and
00:52:28
arrest him with guns drawn that he gives himself up he's arrested and immediately
00:52:34
he's saying yeah I'm I'm innocent I didn't have anything to do with with whatever that kid's talking about Roy
00:52:43
Green's a liar is his basic defense well that's his whole thing deny deny deny don't ever admit that you know anything
00:52:52
well there's some problems with his defense right first of all when you look at this Roy green and this is something
00:53:00
that it's it's tough to kind of convey to a jury and to people out there listening but the sheriff and his
00:53:11
investigators a lot of times we've seen this Captain where somebody comes forward with some kind of confession or
00:53:17
some kind of Fantastical story and they're able to see through it or they're able to start looking at
00:53:26
evidence and timelines and things like that and start to say you know not everything that this guy's saying lines
00:53:33
up in this situation it all lines up Roy Green's Story the timeline and the evidence and where he tells them they
00:53:41
can find stuff it all lines up and the defense of McDuff saying you know what this kid he's a liar he asked to borrow
00:53:51
my vehicle and he went out and did all this stuff himself on his own the problem for that
00:53:59
is what so you you gave your coworker your gun and your vehicle and he went out and committed these Crimes by
00:54:06
himself you have a police record you are known in town to be this rough holigan and hoodlum and and a bully and then the
00:54:18
evidence doesn't match up with mcduff's story right when you think about it because because it's [ __ ] we know
00:54:26
that you had to have two people committing this crime or at the very least one person committing the crime
00:54:34
who was in control enough that he was able to have one of the victims drive the car because we we're moving two
00:54:41
vehicles at one time at during this timeline of these events that takes two people to do that so that goes against
00:54:49
McDuff and that's a score one for Roy green but also remember they stopped off at that gas station on the way home this
00:54:57
is about halfway roughly between where the murders were committed and where Roy green lives and one thing that they were
00:55:05
able to figure out again they have all of Roy Green's story here they go to that gas station and two things happen
00:55:13
there they find little chocolate donuts they find two pieces of clothing that are
00:55:20
discarded that that have blood on them and these are two pairs of men's underwear so either Roy green did
00:55:29
this by himself and he was wearing two pair of underwear and and disposes of them at in a trash can at this gas
00:55:36
station or he had a he had somebody with him and he says McDuff is the guy that was with him and then on top of that
00:55:44
McDuff is not he's not somebody that you're going to easily mistake him for somebody else he's a pretty distinctive
00:55:54
looking looking person right he's 6'4 he's tall he's got a nose like a beak he's got jet black hair he's
00:56:04
somebody that would be easily picked out of a crowd and you have the gas station
00:56:08
attendant the person working there that night that says yeah it was two of them that stopped here a tall guy and a young
00:56:16
guy yeah and mcduff's your guy so got him all of these things fall in favor of Roy green telling the truth and not that
00:56:24
of Kenneth stuff telling the truth this is going to bring us up to the trial that begins in November of
00:56:32
1966 one thing that is incredibly strange here to me in this C in this story here Captain you know you find
00:56:41
these little details that are just they're haunting and they're bizarre but the murders again if in fact
00:56:51
this was the first murders that Kenneth McDuff was a part of and again by his own words to Roy green this these were
00:56:58
not the first time that he had committed such terrible acts but this crime these triple this triple
00:57:08
homicide was committed August 6th 1966 this is literally just days after the the Texas Tower shooting yeah
00:57:22
Charles Whitman August 1st 19 1966 is when Charles Whitman age 25 climbed up that Tower in Austin Texas and opened
00:57:32
fire on the people down below and then you have five days later this incredibly horrific triple homicide that takes
00:57:43
place near the Fort Worth Texas area and so because of all this stuff is news Whitman was was dead after the
00:57:56
events that took place in Austin McDuff is alive and going to go to trial and the guy that helped him
00:58:03
commit these murders says this guy's a monster he's he's Pure Evil and the local law enforcements agreeing with
00:58:11
them and of course the victim's family are saying all the same things and so the reporters want to know what somebody
00:58:18
like Kenneth McDuff would think of the Texas Tower shootings and Charles Whitman
00:58:25
and he he goes that guy must have been Disturbed he must have been crazy it takes one to no one like you're not
00:58:32
right like you're not there yeah and for anybody that wants to check out that case we covered it episode
00:58:40
229 Charles Whitman and like the captain said the trial started in November of 1966 so very quick right from the time
00:58:50
of the murders to the arrest to the trial it was August and now it's November mber and we are in a courtroom
00:58:56
and we are going to try Kenneth McDuff for a triple homicide also charging him with robbery rape and
00:59:05
Abduction the two individuals Roy green and Kenneth McDuff will be actually tried separately because for obvious
00:59:14
reasons Roy green is the state's star witness he's not only the state's star witness but he is the key to trying to
00:59:23
put away this murderer this monstrous murderer [Music] McDuff see so much more to get into to dive
00:59:46
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