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Beachwood woman we just spoke with Cleveland Police who tell us they are still looking for a suspect Alisa
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Sherman was stabbed to death behind the Galleria in downtown Cleveland on Sunday
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the coroner's office said today she was stabbed 11 times we know that surveillance cameras in the area
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captured the attack that video is now in the hands of Cleveland Police Sherman was the mother of four and a nurse at
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the Cleveland Clinic she was stabbed to death after leaving her divorce attorney's
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[Music] office March 24th 2013 Cleveland Ohio Jennifer Sherman was at the end of a long Sunday study
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session when she received a text message from her 17-year-old brother Jeremy the
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text read are you with Mom or do you know where she is Jeremy is asking his older sister Jennifer about their mother
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Alisa Alisa had gone out hours ago she stated before leaving that she had errands to run and when she came home
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she promised to bring back Pizza mhm and now Jeremy was hungry and he is still waiting for his mother to return for
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most of the day Jenifer had silenced her phone while cramming for an exam she's a uh college student
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Jennifer's mother Alisa had in fact sent a text message to her earlier that day this would be around 2:55 p.m. to say
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that she was meeting with her attorney Gregory Moore at his downtown Cleveland office and her son Jeremy he's 17 at the
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time and why would Elisa be going to see an attorney well this is because she's going to meet with him to discuss the
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final preparations for her divorce proceedings the proceedings were going to take place that same week in just a
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couple of days in fact so the date in question the date that we're discussing here is March 24th it's a Sunday it's my
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understanding that these proceedings were supposed to start on Tuesday on that Tuesday so just two days later now
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at this point it's 7:45 p.m. that's when Jennifer received the text from her little brother so this is late this
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according to Jennifer this is late for there to be a concern from her brother about her mother's whereabouts Jennifer
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as we said is older than Jeremy so she does not live at home with Jeremy and their mother Alisa and she gets this
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text and so now she's worried about her mother Jennifer is extremely close with her mother they spoke or they hung out
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nearly every day so at a little after 7:45 p.m. Jennifer called Alisa's cell phone trying to get a hold of her no
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matter when Jennifer had called her in the past Alisa would always pick up the phone but this time was different the
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mother her mother did not answer her phone Jennifer tried a second time again nothing so she called Jeremy she called
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to try to figure out where Alisa could be may you know where did Mother where could have gone right well their their
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mother also was a nurse so maybe they're thinking that it's possible she got called into work possibility uh the the
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information that she gets from Jeremy is that before she had left Alisa told Jeremy that she was heading to their
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grandmother's house the grandmother lived in Cleveland Heights M uh and Alisa was going there to get some
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medicine and then she was going to run errands and then we remember we said return home with the pizza for her and
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Jeremy for dinner now the grandmother her name is Doris sorry Doris their grandmother had a home in Cleveland
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Heights but she also lived in Florida M on this day on March 24th 20133 Doris is at her Florida home so
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after getting this information from her younger brother Jeremy Jennifer called her mother one more time and right but
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let's just think about that for a second she could be still checking on the house
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or something right she she might not be visiting her mom but she might be checking on her mother's house yeah well
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the okay so there's there's a lot of thought that that you should probably put into this and and I know these are
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probably things that were going through Jennifer's mind at the time right you know so we have you know there there's
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this moment when someone you love and someone you care about they're they're essentially missing even though it's
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just for an hour or two or couple of hours and it's starting to get later and you're starting to get concerned it it
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does get very concerning when you're trying to call them and they're not responding to your calls people that
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that live with this person they're wondering where she could be for a few hours now and so for some of us your
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mind starts to race for others you know you start to play a little head detective what are the possibilities
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where could this person be where do I go first to look for her and that's what you have to look into
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here we have Doris the grandmother like you said even though she's out of town she could still need to stop by the
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house she could still need to check on the place pick up the mail who knows but the but what Jennifer is thinking about
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here when she goes through these possibilities is she's remembering the text that she got from her mother at
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2:55 that afternoon stating that her mother was going to see her attorney Gregory Moore at his downtown Cleveland
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office I from my understanding that's about as much information as what Alisa provided her daughter in that text
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Jennifer's thoughts are this she may have used Doris's home may have used the grandmother's home as an excuse to leave
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stating hey I got to drop by grandmother's house I'm also going to run some errands pick up a pizza MH the
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reason being is that she's very close to her mother and knew that Alisa was keeping kind of keeping the information
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regarding the divorce a little a little quiet a little on the hush and hush with
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inside the house and especially with Jeremy he's the youngest of four children right and he's pretty sensitive
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about the parents splitting up so she may have just simply used this as you know this is this is why I'm
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going to be gone but I'm actually going to my attorneys uh for a meeting so after Jennifer gets off the phone with
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her younger brother Jeremy she gets that information from him now she's going to
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try to call her mother one more time and now she got no answer this time she hung
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up the phone and she called Gregory Moore's office Eliza's attorney there was no answer at the attorney's office
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as well I think the issue here Captain is is more of not so much where could she be M you know because it's a little
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vag when someone says hey I'm I'm going out and running some errands or you know
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I have this one meeting to go to but then you talk to your brother and it seems like there's a possibility if she
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had several other places to go to as well I think that's not so much the concern I think the concern for Jennifer
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and probably for Jeremy as well is anytime we called our mother in the past she picked up the phone or text her
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right yeah yeah so so I think that's the big concern there is why is our mother not answering her
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phone so that's when I think that and also you know sometimes when something bad happens to a family member that you
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just have an intuition about you that you just kind of feel something mhm yeah I I I can agree with that wholeheartedly
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at this point Jennifer very concerned she decides to run out to her car and she's going to take off in search of her
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mother now there's a lot of things that are probably going through her head Maybe
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maybe Alisa was in some kind of accident some kind of car accident never made it
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downtown to see her attorney maybe her maybe it was something as simple as her phone is dead
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broken or lost uh the only trouble with that it doesn't fully explain Alisa's absence you know if her phone were dead
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or lost you would think she would return home at some time mhm while she's out looking for her mother while Jennifer's
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out looking for Alisa she gets gets a phone call finally she thought her mother had returned home but that turns
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out not to be the case this is Doris calling Jennifer's phone Doris is the grandmother she had been trying to reach
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Alisa for hours that Day Doris told Jennifer that Alisa's brother Harry had tried calling Alisa a couple times that
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day as well but Alisa never answered her phone so Jennifer drove around frantically by this point looking for
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her mother after a while her phone rang again this time it was Jeremy calling her back Jeremy had had some troubling
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and disturbing news the Cleveland Police Department had called him they called the house and they were on their way to
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the Sherman household and they wanted to talk to the family now Jeremy Alisa and
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Sanford live at this home Sanford is Alisa's husband who she's working on splitting up with you know getting
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separated from permanently right and so seems like he was out of town a lot on business mhm and then well personal
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business yeah yeah with there's some question marks there but it seems like he's out of town a lot and then possibly
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that he was staying like somewhere else here and there or like staying with a friend so cuz anybody that's been
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through a divorce hears that they're living together all the way to the end of the divorce uh sometimes that happens
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but most of the time it doesn't I mean and and normally you're fighting so much that you don't want to be under the same
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roof yeah yeah I think that um he was often at the home I think for the purpose of as far as the postal service
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is concerned he lived there um but I think I think you're right I think sford was not required to
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be there nor did he at times choose to be there yeah so now after getting this phone call from her younger brother
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Jennifer raced to the her mother's home um she called her boyfriend while she was on the way and asked if he could
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meet her at her parents' Place well this is never a good sign I mean no okay if the police department is saying hey we'd
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like to talk to you uh but we're not going to tell you what it is until we get there you know somebody's dead well
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that phone call would be bad enough but let's top that off with you've spent now
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time looking trying to track down your mother so not only do you have concern that something bad has happened to a
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loved one you might have a good idea which loved one it is at this point well right and but if she was in a car
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accident you would assume that the police would just say hey your mother was in an accident and she's at such and
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such hospital or unless she passed away in that car accident I I guess yeah well
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I I only say that from experience I know somebody that died in a car accident and
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I was notified face to face from a police office officer mhm I I was actually I had no clue why the police
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officer wanted anything to talk to me about the drugs in your basement and I found out that that somebody that I knew
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had had died that day in a car accident anyway so we have Jennifer she's racing to her parents' home uh she's called her
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boyfriend asking him to meet her there she gets there about 10 minutes after receiving the call from Jeremy when she
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got there she asked Jeremy to join her outside it was cold that night but she and Jeremy were going to wait for the
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police inside her car mhm they did this because they this was of Jennifer's choosing let's say she wanted to do this
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leaving her father their father sford inside the home by himself Jennifer's boyfriend arrived at the Sherman home
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shortly after and waited with Jeremy and Jennifer for the police it took a while
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for the police to arrive and it was two detectives on a second cuzz you would assume that the daughter would want to
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be with her father um but that's not the case that's definitely not the case here okay so
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maybe a little foreshadowing of family Dynamic well the three of them waited outside and when the police arrived it
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was two detectives and they did not have good news the detectives told the two members
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of the Sherman family that their mother had been attacked earlier that day the detectives told Jennifer and Jeremy that
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that just after 5:30 p.m. the police along with an ambulance M and EMTs they had responded to a 911 call their mother
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had been attacked and she had been stabbed repeatedly and was found clinging to life just about 25 to 30 ft
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from the entryway to the building that housed her attorney's law firm's office M an employee that was on the fourth
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floor of 75 Eerie View Plaza now for my understanding this is not the same building that Eliza was attempting to go
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into um so this man sorry his name is Kenny Shephard he says he heard screams and when he heard screams he rushed
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downstairs and outside by the time he had arrived to Alisa she was struggling to stand she's she's falling over blood
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was coming out of her mouth Kenny shepher immediately called 911 the dispatch answered 911 what is your
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emergency Kenny yelled into his phone Cleveland Ohio hurry it's bad the dispatcher asked what's bad Kenny says
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this lady she's been attacked I don't know if it was gunshots I don't know if it if she was stabbed she's bleeding
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pretty bad yeah the operator could hear Kenny shouting at Alisa as he tried to help her right and Alisa is not just
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laying there there well he's he can be heard Kenny can be heard telling her to stay on the ground right he's saying
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don't move stay on the ground don't get on your feet stay on the ground so she's
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trying to get up she Yeah by this point she had fallen and she's trying to get up he's I mean she's in in horrible
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shape by this point to the point where you hear Kenny saying he's begging her stay with me okay stay with me please
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stay with me at that point Alisa tried to cry out but he couldn't understand anything she was
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was saying right when she when Alisa tried to talk again this time Alisa coughed up blood instead of making an
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audible sound or putting together words right Kenny rolled Alisa onto her stomach trying to get the blood out of
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her her throat and mouth he's telling the dispatcher there is blood everywhere I've never seen this
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much blood then he can be heard then he could hear the sirens coming and he shouted lady stay with me all right
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they are coming they are coming then back to the operator the operator he's he's telling the operator
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she's going fast this L's going fast right Alisa was eventually taken by ambulance to the emergency room of Metro
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Health Medical Center where at 6:14 p.m. on March 24th 2013 Lisa Sherman a devoted mother of four was pronounced
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happy holidays to everybody I'm sure at this point Captain the detectives have plenty of questions for Alisa's family
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even you know I'm sure that Alisa's family have even more questions for the detectives MH unfortunately when the
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detectives show up they don't have many answers for Alisa's family they they show up with the Arsenal full of
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questions of their own the probably the first question I would have and I'm sure
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most people on the uh in the public had as well is you know because this could be a big situation this could be a big
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question to answer this could eliminate a lot of potential suspects and was this
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a random attack or was this a planned attack because at first glance you have the elements here that could lead you or
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lead one to conclude either so an attack on the streets downtown downtown Cleveland big city would point to a very
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random attack killed on the way to a scheduled agreed upon appointment maybe not random because others know you are
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going to be in that location at that time and why are you going there going there to basically finalize your divorce
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you know because you have a hearing in two days the the divorce process starts or the hearings start in two days yes
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and this from my understanding has been a very long drawn out and messy divorce so was this a random attack or was it a
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planned attack now I remember when this case first broke that they were interviewing a lot of people especially
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women who had to walk around in the downtown area that walked to work uh that that took their lunches outside and
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that was the big panic at the time was this a totally random attack could anybody in that location be attacked
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well that could happen in any City in any major city there could be some yo walking around with a knife or a gun
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attacking people all willy-nilly so what does the crime scene tell us Captain well first off the first thing
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we should notice is it's about 5:30 p.m. when Alisa was attacked so it's light out it's still light out that's a very
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risky attack it's very cold out um but when they transported Alisa to the hospital
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they sent with her her purse so no purse was taken during the course of this attack Alisa also wore a sapphire ring
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on her right hand she wore a necklace with the Star of David and her grandfather's wedding ring on this
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necklace around her neck mhm all of these items were still on Alisa's person right doesn't mean it wasn't attempted
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robbery sometimes people try to rob somebody that doesn't go their way then they're attacking them and then they got
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you know caught up in the attack and now that's it's like well I need to get out
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of here I mean this is daylight we don't want somebody seeing me mhm um I however
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I would I would lean towards the side of no robbery I mean right right me too this would be the most bungled this
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would be an extremely bungled uh robbery so no robbery uh that's not the motive in my opinion I know that uh I'm quick
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to remind everyone that uh you know you can't easily predict crazy violent Behavior so someone attacked and
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stabbed on the street could just simply be a violent mentally Disturbed individual who attacked that person but
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a lot of times in cases that involve such an attack uh where the purp is so far gone so Disturbed and out of control
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that they're often found still with the person that they attacked and obviously this is not the
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situation when when Kenny Shepard found Alisa there was nobody present with her she was attacked and she was falling to
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the ground the other thing that's curious here one thing that I think the 911 call
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reveals and I find this very interesting the 911 call that Kenny makes correct okay that Elisa is trying
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to communicate something to Kenny he you know the young man the good Samar Samaritan who heard her screams and
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responded and called for help mhm she seems to be trying to tell him something or communicate something to him now what
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she was trying to say we may never know however there is a chance she was trying
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to communicate to him that maybe she knew who her attacker was right or maybe there could have been something that she
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recognized about her attacker an article of clothing or something he or she may have said to her as she was being
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attacked yeah and also she's a nurse so there's a possibility she was trying to give him some instructions on maybe how
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to help her that's that is that's interesting that you say that I did not think of that and that that could be a
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very likely possibility here as far as the investigation goes we do have it took a couple days um but you know
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shortly after we have the police on record saying in interviews asking the public for help stating that they firmly
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believe this was some form of planned attack that someone that knew Alisa had attacked her that day and killed her
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that day right and so motive we start I mean you're going to start finger pointing right away to the husband mhm
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because where is she heading to she's heading to her attorney's office to talk about the divorce where she's separating
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she's cutting off ties with you yeah and then I believe it was about two days after the
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murder there's Rumblings in the media that there may be surveillance footage from the attack itself you know as we
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stated this is a busy downtown area there are foot there's cameras posted on a lot of these buildings and parking
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garages and that's just the thing it it took a while for the police to come out and outwardly say it but uh the huge
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break that they get in the case comes when they get a grainy Sur surveillance video that showed someone running away
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from the scene just moments after the attack on Alisa now I kind of compiled some of the
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thoughts uh reported in several Publications after they released this footage the footage that was released
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was about 10 seconds long and the the footage itself it was retrieved from a surveillance camera
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mounted outside of a nearby parking garage yeah but it's 10 seconds long in in total length but they actually have
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multiple angles mhm so I think the official clip that the police released was like 53 seconds or something like
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that but I'll I'll actually copy that and put that on uh true Crim garage.com so you can check it out there and I'll
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try to post um most of the clip or at least parts of the clip on Instagram as well and that's @ True Crime garage the
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video showed a hooded figure wearing ing jeans in a green jacket several Publications reported the person may
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have had a limp the this person appears to not only be in a hurry but also trying to disguise themselves to the
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point where it's difficult to even make out the individual's gender or race well
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let's uh take a look at this video cuz you know video stuff always makes for good
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podcasting so some of the initial thoughts about this video to me one it's coming from like a parking garage mhm
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and there's a couple problems with this camera angle anyways is there's a sign on the top left it's an entrance sign
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and then you have a pillar in front which has a big Park sign mhm you know often parking garage has those things
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but that's really kind of distorting the focus so when you look at the video you
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can see the entrance sign that's really close to the camera that's in Focus the first pillar isn't is in good Focus as
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well everything else after that is a little fuzzy or out of focus so it's not a good quality of camera anyways but
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they're focusing on things that aren't moving so it's well not topnotch quality on the camera but the the thing that
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really makes it tough is that it's the angle like you said this camera appears to me to be positioned to catch
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something going on in the street itself this individual who's fleeing the scene of the crime is running on the sidewalk
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and and is to the right of of what the camera is angled at to actually pick up yeah maybe not but like I said maybe not
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the angle but how the camera is actually focusing mhm you know so it's like yeah
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the angle set up you know not great for what we're trying to look at but because
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of the angle everything else is out of focus yeah so to give you an idea for those of you who have not seen the this
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video before it when you blow it up on your computer screen or TV screen the individual that you see fing they're
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basically in the bottom rightand corner of your screen and very pixelated exactly and the thing is the things that
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we stated earlier were all things that were stated in the local media at the time and one of the things saying the
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video showed a hooded figure um I've heard some talks is this a hoodie that this individual is wearing this appears
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to me to look more like a coat um almost a a a light winter coat right so let's just talk about the suspects dress mhm
00:32:36
what do you see them dressed in so the newspapers said wearing jeans and I found one article that says a green
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jacket I agree with the jeans that looks to me very much like some some a hue of
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blue right some D or mom jeans you know what I mean like the they're not super stylish jeans they're just the kind of
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uh straight leg dark blue jeans traditional as far as the coat goes where it says where this publication
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called it a green coat or green jacket I don't know that I see green it looks to
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me like the parking sign that you talked about it is probably a blue color a painted on blue color and if if that's
00:33:18
the case when this individual walks past or runs past this sign his coat is significantly darker than that blue Park
00:33:27
sign right well and the trouble with this video footage too is that everything that's out of focus on the
00:33:33
right hand side of the screen it's out of focus and it should just be black right like that's what a camera should
00:33:40
pick that up because it's going into the parking garage so that's where it get darker so it should be a tent of black
00:33:47
for whatever reason um it's a tint of green so from further back you see this suspect and you go okay blue jeans
00:33:58
black hoodie or coat mhm okay then when it runs past this tinted area the the coat looks like a hint of green like
00:34:09
it's a really dark green maybe a force green dark green right but I think that tint is coming from you know this
00:34:17
Distortion of the camera so I believe that this individual is wearing black shoes probably blue jeans um and black
00:34:27
or a very dark jacket or coat right and this person has the hood up as we stated
00:34:32
long sleeve coat and when the when the individual gets closer to the camera it almost looks to me like the face is
00:34:40
concealed with something as well yeah I think um let's just watch it again real quick
00:34:48
so it's weird like uh there's two angles they're going to show you the suspect coming at the camera running towards the
00:34:55
camera and then they also show you the reverse angle of the suspect running away from a different camera cuz you can
00:35:01
actually see you can see the the second camera that's going to show the the suspect right that's on the pillar with
00:35:06
the the park sign so and it's weird because like when the suspect's running towards you if we
00:35:14
want to talk about is this male or female when the suspect's running towards you to me I go it's a that's a
00:35:22
dude right that's a dude running that's first my first thought as well and then on the second angle when it's when the
00:35:31
suspect's running away from you to me I go that's a chick all day long like instantly okay so I to describe the
00:35:40
person this person appears to be I'm not saying male or female I'm saying dude dude or chick this this person appears
00:35:48
to be of of average weight like I don't see somebody that's super thin I don't see somebody that's
00:35:55
overweight the I have and do you do you want to hear Captain you want to hear Colonel Christmas get angry right here
00:36:01
okay I hate when they release these videos I mean I know that it's necessary but when you release them please give us
00:36:08
some information I mean okay first of all we you can't give us any kind of General thought as to the height of this
00:36:18
person and maybe they just don't know but come out it's not that hard to find this stuff out and that's what I'm
00:36:24
pointing that's why I'm pointing at this portion of the video right here Captain
00:36:27
you see where this individual is running past these signs to their left mhm okay
00:36:33
well you could use those signs to give us a general idea of the height of this person this coat is too big for this
00:36:41
individual yes it's long it hangs past the waistline but not even long I mean you can even see that there's excess on
00:36:49
the sides mhm almost like maybe this is a guy's jacket but a girl is wearing it and you know when we talked about when
00:36:57
we covered the Missy beavers case a long time ago uh there was video footage of the believed as salent of her and they
00:37:05
were able to give us a general description of of height now mind you it probably varied by what six or seven in
00:37:14
it didn't vary by that much I mean it was enough that they could rule out the husband mhm because his height was like
00:37:20
63 or something especially there look the individual just walks just runs past that Valene sign and it and is very
00:37:26
close to the Valene side this is a small person this is this person's not 6 foot
00:37:31
I bet this person is not even 55 and I know that there's things like um with graphic uh designers and stuff they can
00:37:40
measure you know if they know the height of this wall right then they could measure the person I I don't know how to
00:37:48
do that um and also you have this car here that car parked there I didn't realize there was a vehicle there you're
00:37:55
right that is a vehicle yeah so to me small person under 55 which again like I said the when the suspects coming
00:38:05
towards you um my gut feeling is that's a dude but when you watch him from the back it's a chick it's I mean you can
00:38:14
almost see the hips as they're running and and like I said we're we're talking about small person if this if this
00:38:21
individual is under 54 then I mean I mean what are the chances that that's a guy there's I you
00:38:30
know like our Australian friends say I don't know that I would go full on to to believe yeah to believe that the
00:38:37
person's shorter than five what did you say five five yeah I think I easily I think this person's probably 52 53 and I
00:38:45
don't know that I would go full on to say that it's a female but I'm leaning that way I agree with you it's it it
00:38:52
doesn't the person is not tall I would not describe the person as tall see how it's more of an hourglass figure there
00:38:58
and I agree with you it does look more like a female especially when we see the backside when we see them running from
00:39:06
the camera yeah I mean not toward the camera but Colonel Christmas has seen a lot of females from the
00:39:13
back all right so the thing is though what about the motion of this individual running because one many of the
00:39:22
Publications has has said possibly with a limp um this is another thing I get a little
00:39:28
bit angry about what I mean let's can we get a a legitimate opinion of the police
00:39:33
that you know are we looking with somebody for a limp because here's where I question the limp I can see what
00:39:39
they're talking about there is a little hitch in this person's get along right right but their Giddy Up has a little
00:39:45
bit of a hitch but the problem with it is I can't tell if that's a camera trick or not and what I mean by that is this
00:39:52
camera it's it doesn't seem to be a full motion camera right seems like it's a slower frames so so it almost looks uh
00:40:02
like there's little glitches while they're running yeah like it the the image it doesn't bounce that's not the
00:40:08
right word but it it jumps from from frame to frame to frame to frame to frame right right I'm I'm just guessing
00:40:13
this person's not an avid Runner and that's why I wonder if there's actually any kind of limp or if
00:40:20
it's just a something that the camera is putting off with that right but I would
00:40:24
just argue hey everybody that hasn't run in the last year go outside and run the
00:40:29
block tell me how smooth you feel while you're running yeah I mean so the limp or whatever the little hitch in the gidy
00:40:38
up the little hitch in the giddy up partner um maybe what they're seeing is just again it's either a glitch or
00:40:46
they're seeing somebody that is just not an avid Runner that just doesn't have a
00:40:50
comfortable smooth stride and you know what that that leads me to believe something I felt every time I've watched
00:40:57
this I don't know that I agree that there's a limp there I'm with you I see somebody that's not comfortable running
00:41:03
at that speed has probably not run that distance or that speed in some time therefore I'm think I'm looking at
00:41:11
someone older and and I don't want you know nobody panic uh you know don't freak out that I'm calling anybody old
00:41:17
but what I mean is I feel like I'm looking at somebody that's similar in age to our victim our victim was 53
00:41:25
years old on this day I think that I'm seeing somebody just by that movement Captain
00:41:32
almost looks to me like somebody like mid 40s to to late 50s no this person's younger you think younger yeah yeah and
00:41:42
the the weird thing too is when you watch the video where the suspect's coming towards you you're going to see
00:41:48
the the left arm the the the right arm is just swinging all willy-nilly looks like Steven Seagal running you know if
00:41:56
you're you ever seen those videos mhm have you seen those the videos of Steven Sall running yeah I've seen Steven Sall
00:42:03
movies okay he has run in some of those movies yeah but when you watch him run it's awful he's the worst runner ever uh
00:42:10
there's that's because he's a fighter man yeah I don't know what he is he stands there and fights you he doesn't
00:42:16
run yeah he runs in a lot of his movies and he's not good at running but so the arm is just kind of flailing away the
00:42:24
right arm mhm the left arm is kind of tucked almost like it's holding a football you think that they're
00:42:30
concealing the knife that was used to kill Alisa yeah but it doesn't seem like there's you know well what are those
00:42:38
things in Star Wars because that's the thing that gets me is even as the perpetrator gets
00:42:45
closer it's like there's something over the face oh there's definitely something
00:42:50
over there is there's not even a shadow where you could even you don't see a nose at all
00:42:56
yeah this we are looking for an individual with no nose right no nose no eyes it's almost like the hoodie is like
00:43:05
zipped up over their head no it looks to me like they're they're wearing some kind of um no I'm just saying because of
00:43:12
the pixelation oh yeah yeah that it's just like it's just a black blob on their face yeah the the face is the same
00:43:18
color as the hood and the jacket in the face uh so may it's the Ghost of Christmas future yeah I don't know about
00:43:26
but yeah but see there there's gloves on that person too yeah and then also when
00:43:31
the when you see the backside of the end of visual is when you see more of the tint that maybe the coat is gray right
00:43:40
at the first part when you see the backside and you one thing that you this is making great podcast one thing that
00:43:46
we didn't point out though um as far as the clothing goes and I know that usually logos and things like that tend
00:43:53
to be small but you don't see anything that would distinguish what type of brand or clothing any of this is it's
00:44:01
it's it's like this person picked out the most plain Jane outfit that they could um to not be recognized by
00:44:11
anything I mean it's dark shoes jeans dark coat and something covering the the face and gloves on the hands but even
00:44:18
the pants look too big that's why I think on some level it's like you know pants for men or a jacket
00:44:26
for a man but a chick's wearing it well and I ask if you think that with that left hand that they're trying to conceal
00:44:34
the murder weapon because police searched for the M murder weapon at the scene of the crime they searched all
00:44:41
over the area they even checked the rooftops of nearby buildings MH and this turned up nothing they found they never
00:44:50
found a knife uh that they believe was used in this attack they also search believe they definit definitely know
00:44:58
that she was stabbed with a knife I mean I just want to be clear about that they
00:45:01
just never found the weapon yeah and they also searched the Sherman residence as well for knives and none of the
00:45:08
knives that they found in that household matched uh what they believed the knife
00:45:13
to have been used now one thing they did not um they did they released that she was
00:45:19
stabbed 11 times mhm but they did not release the size or what type of knife that they believe to have been used
00:45:29
right you'd assume that it's you know this is attack that you know is going to happen outside your lawyers building her
00:45:40
lawyer's building like we said is this random I mean there is a possibility but everything kind of points to the fact
00:45:48
that somebody knew that should' be there and knew that should be there at that time and that's when the attack is going
00:45:54
to go down so so I don't know and then the difficult thing here is then so you go okay well
00:46:02
if it's not a random attack well then who's the number one suspect here who should we look into first the husband
00:46:09
they're getting a divorce this thing could get messy and we kind of know from uh some more research that there was
00:46:15
some stuff before the divorce that was kind of messy anyways mhm but as far as sizewise if this is the husband what we
00:46:26
see on this camera to me absolutely not I don't see it so to to be clear though Sanford her
00:46:37
husband Alisa's husband is described as 6 foot to 6 foot one and heavy set yeah and this person is definitely not heavy
00:46:47
set like I said I see a very small individual uh I would even argue on some level like the body is somewhat petite
00:46:57
you know and and it's hard to Cipher for that because you have like I said this jacket is way too big for this
00:47:07
individual okay so it's it's a jacket that's meant to be or coat it's jacket or coat that's meant to hang below the
00:47:14
waist anyway but I don't think it is I don't know if it is or if that's just the size of the you know it's like well
00:47:22
no and I'm going to agree with you but but like Okay so coat that I wore today is very similar to that coat it has a
00:47:29
hood long sleeves and it's cut to be uh lower than the waist now my coat though it's many people have coats like this
00:47:38
it's intended to be cut to drop just below where your pockets would be on your pants right but this individual it
00:47:45
almost appears like they're wearing that style of coat but because the coat does
00:47:49
not fit them that the goes down further it almost goes to the knees yeah it goes
00:47:55
It goes to to the point where you know that this cat is not meant for this an individual this size but again was it
00:48:04
was this coat used just for cover up possibly also used for protection you know that you're attacking somebody with
00:48:11
a knife right so you're going to use padded you know just in case it turns against you you got padded jacket on I
00:48:20
guess not only padded jacket for protection but the Okay so it it's planned picking a dark colored coat a
00:48:30
dark colored jacket and almost all dark colored um outfit right that's going to you're the blood that would be on this
00:48:39
individual would not be as noticeable right when when fleeing the scene this this person this person could
00:48:47
run away at full speed and if they had to continue walking somewhat in the area they could they could turn a couple
00:48:54
corners and then then just start walking normally and and probably fit in as long
00:48:59
as they didn't have that mask on well let's watch the backside one more time cuz that left arm see how the right arm
00:49:06
just kind of you know runs yeah I mean look I'm going to say this and and somebody's going to write
00:49:13
me it kind of like runs like a girl and the right arm when you see the right arm is just flailing away again I
00:49:21
think this person's running at a speed that they've not run in a long time they're using that arm to uh help help
00:49:28
with a little momentum help with a little balance but look at the left arm when when you see the backs side of this
00:49:35
individual that left arm doesn't move at all that's what I'm saying I'm saying they're overcompensating with their
00:49:41
right arm because they have to tuck the murder weapon and keep it close to their
00:49:46
vest or it's in a pocket and they or you know what I mean they're kind of hugging
00:49:50
it to themselves or they got hurt themselves and they're holding wherever they're
00:49:56
hurt that's a possibility I do want to talk about this though Captain um while we're on the the video footage itself
00:50:04
mhm there it has been reported several times that the actual attack is on footage as well now I don't know if
00:50:13
that's just a general misconception that something that the media got wrong yeah
00:50:17
but we see this all the time with different cases where it's like uh look the deli murders case for for example I
00:50:24
mean there's all the specul ation that there's audio of it there's video of it but anytime they get a suspect they
00:50:30
can't seem to pin down the suspect you'd think if there was all this information
00:50:35
or all this evidence that'd be pretty easy to find the right person and lock him down
00:50:41
so not in this situation but not in this situation though right I agree with you
00:50:46
but it's different here because this first this person's face is looks like it's completely covered almost as if
00:50:54
they're wearing like like a mask oh yeah they're definitely wearing a mask but this is not they're wearing they're
00:51:00
wearing a ski mask or something I don't even think it's a ski mask cuz you can't
00:51:03
even see like Eyes eye holes or anything you can't even see like you cuz even if
00:51:10
there was and maybe even if you put like let's say makeup on you see the whites of the eyes or something this almost
00:51:16
looks like you know some Halloween mask or or something that you know you know almost like a sheet that
00:51:24
they put over their face but they could see through it enough maybe also a reason why the person is a little wobbly
00:51:32
when they're running cuz they can't see perfectly there's a decent chance that Alisa was attacked from behind of course
00:51:39
because whoever did this is a coward piece of [ __ ] um but you know she was stabbed in the neck stabbed in the arm
00:51:46
the right arm and then I believe the rest of the stab wounds were to the back so that would be nine of them now um
00:51:55
what I'm getting at and the reason why I bring that up we keep talking about how
00:51:58
this person's covered head to toe and my suspicion earlier that Elisa was trying
00:52:03
to communicate something to the man that found her do you think that with this individual being covered head to toe
00:52:10
that there's any chance that she may have recognized anything about this person and and potential that she was
00:52:16
trying to communicate who she belied may have attacked her yeah that's a possibility I think the other
00:52:22
possibility too is if this let's say for example that this suspect this person running from the
00:52:32
scene they're the murderer but they might not have known her this might have been let's say like
00:52:39
a hired operation okay but if this person was hired by somebody then were were they instructed
00:52:47
to hey before you stabber say whatever does that make sense well I could see that out of anger and I know that sounds
00:52:57
very Hollywood but it also sounds incredibly stupid and I know that most criminals
00:53:02
are not you know they do make mistakes and that's why they get caught thankfully but it almost seems like
00:53:10
you're going above and beyond you know hey say this to her right but if you say this to her she's going to know who is
00:53:18
responsible for this no no I get that which which is right that's a RIS and I that's my thing where I'm like
00:53:25
well that seems totally senseless to do well it's sense yeah but to have somebody murdered is senseless too well
00:53:34
of course but what I'm getting at is it's senseless on two it's senseless times two and here's what I mean by that
00:53:40
okay if you hired me to to do a hit on somebody and you said hey after you're plunging all right well then I'll change
00:53:46
it if somebody else hired me to do a hit on somebody right and they said oh as you're plunging the knife into their
00:53:53
back right tell them this tell them X Y and Z yeah don't tell them that don't give them a math problem but yeah tell
00:54:02
them something the the crow strikes at midnight okay but you're you're butchering my story here what I'm
00:54:10
getting at is one it's extremely stupid for the for the person hiring the person
00:54:15
to say hey say this so that so that by chance they survive well then they can go yeah that dude hired somebody to kill
00:54:22
me because he's the only guy that would say that then furthermore me being the hired
00:54:27
Hitman who gives a [ __ ] if I actually say X Y and Z to that person as I'm plunging the knife in them if they're
00:54:34
dead and it's reported on the news I can tell the idiot that hired me that I said
00:54:38
that to them yeah I'm not going to risk that in case that they survived the attack mind you she was alive when she
00:54:45
was found when she's first found she was alive and in my opinion I believe she was trying to communicate something
00:54:52
about the attack itself to the individual that found her right no I agree the problem
00:54:59
is some stupid individual if if this is if this is a murder For Hire then some stupid individual hired
00:55:08
this person to kill her they're stupid so therefore I wouldn't put a past them to say what I'm getting at is that
00:55:18
rather it wasn't something it wasn't specific words that were said but maybe a voice that was recognized by her that
00:55:26
this person could have been covered head to toe and it was somebody that she either knew well or knew somewhat and
00:55:33
look this has to be an angry attack whether you knew her and you and you were doing this yourself or if you were
00:55:40
hired to do this to stab somebody 11 times and attack them in broad daylight on the streets this whether you were
00:55:48
angry when you started this attack you were angry at some point during this attack and you may have said something
00:55:54
you may have said something out of frustration maybe she wasn't going down fast enough for you right and this
00:56:01
individual may have said something out of frustration and she may have Alisa may have recognized the
00:56:10
[Music] voice all right and this has been the first part of a four-part series that
00:56:20
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00:56:27
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00:56:34
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00:56:42
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00:57:00
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00:57:06
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