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in Manitoba Saskatchewan British Columbia decided it was time to to revisit a cold Cold Case the 1986
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homicide that rattled the town of Thompson and haunted its inhabitants ever since the Spectre of the Dead
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15-year-old girl cast a PA over the whole place and there was nothing new so the
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RCMP took on a novel approach on October 16th 2016 30 years after the murder the RCMP
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MB Twitter feed halted its usual updates and instead tweeted the following devastating
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messages hello I am Carrie Anne Brown I was raped beaten and murdered 30 years ago
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today can you help find my killer what you did to me that night destroyed my family and friends I didn't
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do anything wrong I was a happy 15-year-old girl there's silence but someone knows come forward stop being cowards
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how were you able to keep what you did to me hidden I want to talk about the day I was killed I want people to know
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what happened to me I want the Killer caught my house at six Red River Road in Thompson was simple but I loved it my
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dad and brother Trevor still live there today I loved hockey and the Penguins were my favorite team Mario Lemieux was
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so great how could you not love them to this day my friends remember my sense of humor I had a great laugh and
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nothing was funnier than playing pranks truth is I was a very normal 15-year-old girl athletic well-liked
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cheerful and compassionate I didn't have any enemies everyone has their quirks Bridges were
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mine I don't know why but I hated them and was always nervous crossing over one okay for people that don't know my story
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My Last Day alive was 30 years ago today it was 1986 and it was a Thursday I woke up with Coco the bear I
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had so many plush animals but Coco was the one I couldn't go without school that day was okay I had so many friends
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that going to school at Rd Parker Collegiate was actually fun I loved gym class I was only 5' 1 in 110 lb but fast
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and feisty I was a great Runner and could easily beat my brothers first two classes that day were backtack typing
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then math and English I couldn't wait for Jim at the end of that day FYI in 1986 I was still learning to type on a
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giant typewriter not fun I could not wait for lunch it was a normal day I had a doctor's appointment that afternoon
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but otherwise everything else was completely ordinary I had been having headaches just wasn't feeling with
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so I left school for a bit for a doctor's appointment I went home after school didn't have a job but my parents
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gave me $10 a week for allowance I don't know what it was that afternoon being 15
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I guess but I was a little upset and a bit anxious after my appointment we ate supper together as a family that night
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my last night alive I'm so thankful for that I know they are too we ate roast beef beef that night
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but my favorite meal was pepperoni and mushroom pizza from Santa Maria I remember my brothers fighting over the
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donuts for dessert and being worried I wouldn't get one there was a party that night and my mom and dad said I could
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stay at my girlfriend's house for a sleepover before the party my girlfriend came over and we walked to Thompson
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Billiards I never walked anywhere in town alone it was a warm night with no snow but I wore the new dark jacket my
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family gave me for my birthday anyway we left Thompson Billiards and walked over to 41 Cooper Road which
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wasn't very far we only stayed on Cooper Road for a few minutes then we walked to
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the party at my friend's house at 11 trout Avenue I know what you're thinking yes some of us were drinking my friend's
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parents were home though and they were supervising it was so much fun I had really great friends and we were having
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having an awesome time laughing listening to music and hanging out then a friend showed up we didn't get along
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anymore it sucked I had been having such a good time too we chatted for a while it was formal and polite it didn't help
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my night was ruined I wanted to leave so my girlfriend and I decided to go for a
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walk and talk we got to the back door when my friend decided she better go downstairs to tell our friends where we
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were going I stayed standing there near the back door to wait for her my friend's mom was the only other person
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around I went outside to wait that's when it happened I was strong and put up a fight but it wasn't enough this is the
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unsolved case of Carrie Brown and this is true crime [Music] garage [Music] in 1986 Carrie an Brown was just as you
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heard a normal 15-year-old girl living in the great white North Carrie was born in Burks Falls Ontario on August 19th
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1971 in ' 86 she lived in her family's house on Red River Drive in the town of Thompson car's parents are Jim and Anne
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Brown and she has two older brothers Trevor and her half brother Ian from his mother's first marriage Jim had a job at
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the inco mine and worked at Thompson General Hospital as a medical transcriptionist the town of Thompson is
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a mining town named after the family that owned the mine the town itself had only been around since 1956 and although
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it had just about 12,000 residents it was known as The Hub of the north because it was the only place in the
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area with Access to Health Care Facilities shopping and other services tens of thousands of Outsiders came to
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the town yearly it was a tight-knit community with residents who looked out for each other it was also a very
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outdoorsy area with hunters and campers and fishermen comprising much of much of
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the population those who didn't work in the mine of course for teenagers it was kind of a boring town and in typical
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teen fashion they had to come up with inventive ways to find excitement having parties drinking a little bit and dating
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as we learned in the trailer Carrie was a funloving girl that was athletic she loved gym class captain and she loved
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ice hockey she was just at that age where she was between being a girl and being a woman she still loved her
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stuffed bear Coco but she also had recently split up with a boyfriend more on that in a minute car's parents had
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some troubles in that car's mom and brother Trevor both suffered from retinitis Pigmentosa and by the time our
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story takes place an was blind Carrie herself had been having headaches but it does not seem that she suffered from the
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same Affliction let's get to the night in question so this is going to be October 16th captain and this is a
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Thursday now as we heard in today's trailer Carrie had a normal school day minus the doctor's appointment that
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would have been outside of the normal day for her she got out of school about 3:30 Carrie and her dad picked up a
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couple of donuts as they were out buying her a winter coat they had dinner together as a family and then there was
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a Kur fuffle over the donuts and Carrie was a little upset but then she rallied and she was going to hang out with
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friends anyway so she kind of got over it there was a party at car's friend's house Doug crocus so Doug is a classmate
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a schoolmate of carries he is one year older than her and her two best friends Ronda and Nicole will be joining her at
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this teenage gathering before the party Rhonda who lived nearby came over to car's house to pick her up Carrie was
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wearing a pink outfit with her favorite Pittsburgh Penguins jacket around 7 p.m.
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that night they wandered to the billiard's place then another friend's house and then to Doug
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Doug lives at 11 trout Avenue so from my understanding here Captain Doug's house
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is quite a ways away from car's house from my understanding they walk there in a rather large group of friends so
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they're walking there it's the three of them and then more kids meet up with them along the way now we have this big
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pack of teenagers all making their way to Doug's place right they get there around 9:30 Maybe 10 at the latest now
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Nicole lived on the other side of town from Carrie and Rhonda but just two blocks away from Doug's house the
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neighborhood is the Westwood neighborhood and is described as a middle class residential area this
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Gathering was later described by Doug on the somebody knows something podcast which covered this case extensively in
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season 5 it was a group of about 25 kids who knew each other pretty well ranging
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in age from 15 to 18 some were legal to drink and some weren't like Carrie and her girlfriends they were in the younger
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batch of kids but there was some beer there Doug's mom was home and was on board with all of this and according to
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Doug although kids were coming and going a bit throughout the evening it was not
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like a raging party this was kind of a kind of a low-key thing and he says that he knew every single person that came to
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his house that night there were no strangers there were no Out of Towners there were no creeps that has been
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reported to been at this party well this this happens all the time in high school
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somebody tells you hey old Doug is having a party whether or not you're invited you probably know somebody
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that's invited you don't feel intimidated to just walk into a party you're probably going to know somebody
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99% of the people there are going to be from your high school well and when you're growing up in an area that
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doesn't have a whole lot to do or whole lot of excitement for teenagers and frankly there's many places like that as
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we said they kind of have to create their own excitement and as you said it's not so much hey I was invited to
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this party but if you tag along with somebody that was you're in the door yeah or in my high school sometimes
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people just pass out flyers to somebody's house we got a FL hey did you get the flyer you're invited sometimes
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that can go terribly wrong or sometimes terribly right from my understanding C AP it's this is a very typical party now
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we said that this was a Thursday but we should point out that there was no school scheduled for that Friday so it
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makes sense that Doug is having this party he says it's just a group of high school friends all hanging out in Doug's
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basement they're playing music they're talking they're eating snacks all pretty much normal stuff and there's parents
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there his mother is there she doesn't have everybody under a microscope but according to her and according to Doug
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later they both said that she was somewhat supervising or The Chaperone of this party if you will yeah the the
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visual I get is Eric Foreman's basement right and everybody's having a party in Eric foran's basement the way that this
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evening is going about everybody's just I mean everybody's having a great time that's what's always been reported
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everybody was having a great time until Carrie her exboyfriend remember she just
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broke up a few days prior his name is Chuck and he shows up to the party and he's not alone he's actually with a
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previous girlfriend of his somebody that he dated before Carrie Carrie knew that
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Chuck had gotten back with his ex-girlfriend so there was nothing like confrontational about Chuck being there
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and Carrie being there but Carrie did say that she felt awkward and uncomfortable this is what she expressed
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to her friends and it was probably just because the breakup was pretty recent well way to go butt face Chuck showing
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up with your ex-girlfriend ruining the party now we read the tweet from the RCMP in today's trailer that said Carrie
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became upset because she didn't want to be there when her ex-boyfriend was there
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and we get it everyone's been in that position no matter what age you are it's it can be awkward yeah it's you know
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car's sitting there having a good time out of the party her boyfriend her ex-boyfriend walks in with his
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ex-girlfriend and the first thing you're thinking is awward and this is you know 15-year-old
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kids and this all remember how important all of this stuff seemed when we were 15
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and then you grow up and realize it's not important at all but Carrie decides hey maybe it's time to leave and they
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have a curfew anyway she's going to stay the night at her friend's house but her
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friend has a curfew and Carrie has a curfew that even when staying at a friend's house that she needs to observe
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she's only 15 now it doesn't sound like Carrie would be the type to leave a party on her own you heard in the tweets
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saying she had never walked anywhere alone at night but remember Nicole her friend lived near Doug's house and
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Carrie was planning on sleeping over at Nicole's now looking at Google Maps for context shows us that Doug didn't live
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in the middle of nowhere in fact we would describe his neighborhood as thickly settled residential area with
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blocks and blocks of houses surrounding it which makes sense on why these kids gathered in a group and walked to his
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house correct and this is not a situation where we have this girl who has a little to drink and then she
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stumbles out the door into the frozen tundra never to be seen again this is an area that would be full of cars and
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houses you know but Al but although by this point we're talking about we're getting close to to the midnight hour so
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maybe maybe a little sleepy at this point uh the the town anyway well we have to remember the date because I
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think we're so used to just things being open 247 and this is in the 80s but back in
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the 90s things would close down about 9:00 10 o'cl Carrie and her friend Nicole end up going upstairs remember
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they're getting ready to leave and presumably at this point they're talking over what their options are and they
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don't want to do this in front of the other high schoolers Carrie is voting that they leave so the two decide that
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they're going to leave they walk out of Doug's house when Nicole realizes that she had forgotten her purse so they
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turned around and walked back to his house Carrie is waiting upstairs she did not want to go back down into the
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basement where all the kids were right the tweets indicate that Doug's mom was there as well like we said earlier now
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Nicole ran into her ex so a different kid on the stairs they have a conversation sounds like he wanted to
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get back together or something like that but it's a lengthy conversation that Nicole would later say lasted for about
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10 minutes or so Nicole could see Carrie at the top of the steps during portions
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of this conversation but at some point her friend Carrie stepped away so she can no longer see her and she's
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continuing on this conversation yeah but we all been there you know you're at that party you it's time to go your
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friend runs into her ex they're having a conversation so you keep making your presence known like hey it's time to
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leave let's let's get going and then eventually eventually car stops making her presence known to Nicole yeah maybe
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she wants to give a little privacy for their conversation we don't know it's hard to say but while she's upstairs
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Doug the host he recalls seeing Carrie upstairs and he tells her hey don't you probably
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shouldn't leave on your own it's late you should wait for Nicole Carrie then asked Doug to go get Nicole so he went
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back down to the basement Nicole then goes upstairs a few minutes we're talking just a few minutes later and by
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this point it has started to snow outside and Carrie was gone Nicole could see footprints in the snow leaving
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Doug's house and the footprints they stopped at the end of the driveway at the road and there of course were tire
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tracks on the road well this is difficult too because you have these kids going in and out of this house but
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mainly using the basement but I remember being at parties like this when I was in
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high school and there would be a little bit of a crowd outside maybe coming into the party or leaving
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the party or trying to make plans on what is next right the other thing I remember there would usually be some
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kind of pointless silly argument some drama and like and one person storms off into the night on foot alone yeah
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weirdly that happened at almost every party I went to so Nicole she can't find her friend she
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decides all right I'm going to go outside start walking and I should encounter Carrie on my way back to my
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house which does not happen so then she well let me State the obvious though too
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about these parties is Carrie and her friends yes they're 15 but but Doug is older so a lot of these people going to
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this party are not showing up on foot they're driving their vehicles Nicole turns around and she doubles back to
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Doug's a couple of times she's not just walking this route repeatedly but she's also scouring the area essentially
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looking for her friend and she finds nothing on several trips at some point she gets worried and frightened for her
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friend she starts crying and she misses her curfew so she doesn't make it home until about an hour late which would be
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1:00 a.m. and her mom would later say that she saw her daughter Nicole throwing up and I don't know if she
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drank too much much or if this was a combination of drinking and and being upset about her friend um so it sounds
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like her and her mom have a little bit of a argument about Nicole drinking at the party but from all the reports I've
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seen this is where things start getting really weird because we're only talking about a few minutes that Carrie would
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have been outside by herself somehow she vanishes during that time and Nicole makes it back to her house she's late as
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we said because she spent some time looking for her friend the reports state that Nicole's mom was not aware that
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Carrie was going to be sleeping over that night so Nicole of course she feels incredibly guilty about all of this now
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in fact she says that she went through years and years and years of therapy to try to cope with this in some form or
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fashion but right she stops looking for Carrie that night and then she goes to bed and sleeps in the next day she
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likely just like any other kid would she likely went to bed thinking that Carrie
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either just decided to go home or get a ride home somehow or that Carrie would turn up well if we're going to question
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Nicole's the amount of alcohol that Co Nicole might have uh consumed we have to question the same thing when it comes to
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Carrie so we know that Carrie was upstairs then she leaves or we're assuming she leaves the party and then
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we have this track of footprints that lead to the end of the driveway and now we got some tire
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marks this is not a good situation well and we also have to point out something here and keep this in mind as we're
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going through the events here you know one of the benefits of constant connectivity that we currently have
00:25:52
today that we forget about that when especially when we're complaining about cell phon and cell phone usage by
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younger people these days but today car's friends would be able to see on snapmap you know exactly where their
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friend was and maybe she could have been found or even saved that night but we're
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talking about 1986 so that was not an option yeah or or car if she felt like hey it's time to go Nicole let's say car
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let's say thought that Nicole was being a little rude by talking to her ex a little bit
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too long maybe there'd be some text messages sent to her friend hey it's time to go or hey I'm going to just take
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off walking and and I'll eventually meet up with you but obviously they didn't have that technology to stay in contact
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the morning on that Friday there was no school that's I mean praise the Lord that's the best Thursday you can have
00:29:29
when you're a kid no school on Friday Carrie's brother Trevor had been drinking at his buddy
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Jerry's house the night before and he recalls that on Friday morning car's friends started calling
00:29:46
looking for her so at first car's family Trevor her brother in in the family the
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Brown family they don't really think anything of this right I mean Carrie's a typical 15-year-old teenager but they
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get worried when Nicole when her friend Nicole calls because that's completely different remember she was supposed to
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be staying there the night before Nicole calls the house this is sometime after lunch on that Friday Nicole had to tell
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them that she lost Carrie the night before lost track of her she was devastated when they in return tell her
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Carrie never came home last night this would be very difficult and like you said I mean Nicole car's friend has
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struggled with this heck there's friends of M that I've gotten arguments with and
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just never got over the argument never became close friends again but this is a whole another level you were with your
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friend you went to the party with your friend you feel somehow responsible for her leaving by
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herself and then like you said said she went back and forth between her house and Doug's house the party looking for
00:31:03
her friend and then at some point has to just come back home and go I I I give up
00:31:08
and when she doesn't show up that night and then I'm sure Nicole called some other people first hey did you have you
00:31:15
seen Carrie it'd be devastating to have to call Carrie's family car's brother Trevor discussed this very situation
00:31:25
with the Thompson citizen new newspaper and said when Nicole called looking for Carrie they meaning his family realized
00:31:33
no one knew where Carrie was she made some phone calls and then she called us back and said car's lost we don't know
00:31:40
where Carrie is it was at that point that my parents called the cops let them know what was going on they came over
00:31:48
got a picture of Carrie they created a flyer rather quickly and he says within a couple of hours they had a bunch of
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Flyers made and then they all started Distributing them across the town of Thompson he says I was at home answering
00:32:06
the phone talking to people that were calling once people had started learning that she was missing and that we were
00:32:12
looking for her people wanted to help look for Carrie and so they did lots of people were out looking for her all over
00:32:19
the city but no one found her that day and he goes on to say that we the car's family the round family they didn't
00:32:28
sleep that night well you remember these parties when you're a kid and it's like
00:32:32
maybe at maximum capacity there was 30 kids there but throughout the night there could have been 60 70 different
00:32:41
kids that show up like we said they show up in little Groves little packs and then leave at different times so there's
00:32:50
a lot of people that you can question that were there that night there at the time time that Carrie was
00:32:58
there and it's it's also hard to remember when people left you so if somebody says hey I left at
00:33:07
10:00 most of the time you just have to believe them because you're not going to
00:33:11
remember every single detail of every single individual that was there at that party well and when the family becomes
00:33:18
alarmed that they don't know where Carrie is this is one thing that I I find to be
00:33:25
interesting here they call one of their phone calls amongst dozens of trying to track down their daughter was to the
00:33:32
local taxi company this to see if Carrie had gotten into a car to you know take a
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ride to to try attempt to get home or go elsewhere this makes sense to do as a parent especially after you're being
00:33:45
told this story from Nicole that hey you know it looked like Carrie decided to split and got tired of waiting around
00:33:54
for me and so this call makes sense however none of the calls that the taxi company had received from the night
00:34:01
before none of them matched up with with where Carrie would have been um picking
00:34:07
her up the location of correct location of Doug's party so this didn't seem like
00:34:12
uh a great option that what is interesting though Captain there was a call to another area of town and just to
00:34:21
double check everything car's Father Jim actually drove to the the pickup and drop off location of that call and said
00:34:30
that he didn't recognize anything one and two didn't have any reason to connect it back to his daughter well
00:34:36
again this is a this is a difficult situation because it's not just the people that were at the party it's
00:34:42
people that drove to the party heck I remember being at some of these parties in high school where guys would drive up
00:34:49
and maybe you'd go out to your buddy's truck and you'd talk for a little bit and then they would leave they they
00:34:54
wouldn't even come into the party so so there's other individuals she's 15 uh 17-year-old that drives by and goes
00:35:04
she's leaving by herself hey Carrie do you need a ride yeah that'd be awesome maybe she decides oh somebody's going to
00:35:12
give me a ride I'll go back to my house instead of going to Nicole's house but we don't know if she got into a vehicle
00:35:21
and if she did who was the driver or who else was in the vehicle well and so to break things down a little bit here we
00:35:29
have the party that took place on Thursday Carrie's Father Jim reported her missing around 4 pm central time on
00:35:37
Friday October 17th now we're going to fast forward to the following day on Saturday this is Saturday afternoon
00:35:46
around 2:10 p.m. we have a woman named Donna kovic and her friend Joanne they're out on their usual weekend
00:35:55
horseback ride they were making their way along a muddy Road through a wooded area just north of the Burntwood River
00:36:05
their horses at some point started to act skittish and then suddenly the two women saw a body on the ground this is
00:36:15
from a CBC news article by Bryce Hoy it says quote they saw car's body lying on a jacket with one hand up and one down
00:36:27
she was dressed in a pink and black leopard print outfit and white socks kovic said you could see the face was
00:36:35
smashed and beaten she could also tell that the arm that was up in the air was broken okay so I want to take a second
00:36:45
here to comment on some things that people familiar with the case are probably asking themselves right now or
00:36:52
thinking and trying to recall there were a lot of rumors and even some reports that state that Carrie was found nude um
00:37:03
that according to the women that found her Donna and Joanne is not the case it's just simply a rumor that they not
00:37:11
true it's not true number one and number two they go on to publicly describe the
00:37:18
outfit that she was found in police have been a little tight lipped about some of
00:37:23
the details of this case but again we get a description of the clothing that they saw on Carrie that day when they
00:37:31
found her I'm assuming that that description is the same clothes that she went to the party in I don't have any
00:37:38
reason to to assume otherwise right Carrie had been beaten to death about the face and head with branches broken
00:37:46
off nearby trees police found the branches with blood on them at the scene so on Saturday around 3 you know they
00:37:55
make this terrible Discovery a little after 2: p.m. the Brown family they'll be notified right around 3:00 uh but
00:38:04
this is not by the police it's actually by two teenagers who knew Trevor they told the family that the cops had found
00:38:12
a body out by the horse stables and at the same time you know this wasn't police dropping the ball
00:38:19
here they just hadn't got to the brown Fam Family yet because as we will see as these two teenagers are telling Trevor
00:38:27
what the rumor is or what they had seen or heard the phone rings and this is the
00:38:33
police asking Jim and his family to come to the hospital because they're going to
00:38:40
have to ID a body do we know how far these horse stables are from Doug's house where the party took place
00:38:47
Thursday night yeah from my understanding it's like a 2 to 3 minute walk yeah so that makes it even more
00:38:54
difficult because we have these foot footprints that Nicole claims she saw that lead to basically tire tracks did
00:39:01
somebody pick carry up in a vehicle or did she walk to this location or was she led to this location well
00:39:13
and staying on the the body Discovery here too this is this is one of those we get this in every story where there's
00:39:20
just one of these weird kind of random heartbreaking moments here and this this is when so Trevor remember he knows the
00:39:29
two teenagers that showed up at his house and that are telling him and his family hey the police found a body down
00:39:34
by the horse stables so his dad and mom are going to go to the hospital because they got a call from the police to come
00:39:42
and identify a body well Trevor does not want to wait he he can't he can't help himself he wants to find
00:39:50
his sister he goes with the two teenagers back to the location where they heard a body was found and the
00:39:58
police of course they're still there and they've got everything roped off and they would not let
00:40:03
Trevor into the site obviously so Trevor is talking with one of the ladies that found car's body who was still there and
00:40:14
he's asking her questions he he said was the person was the body that you found wearing a penguin's jacket
00:40:23
remember she we know that she had a favorite h Pittsburgh Penguins jacket that she was wearing that night when she
00:40:31
left the house and arrived at the party Donna one of the women who was on Horseback that found the body says no
00:40:37
there was no penguin's jacket and then Trevor her brother asked Donna was the the body you found was was the female
00:40:45
blonde Donna told Trevor no and so Trevor car's brother goes oh great thank God it's not her it's not my sister but
00:40:56
unfortunately he's wrong because a couple of things a couple of the details that we get from the women that found
00:41:02
the body Carrie was lying on top of the Penguin's jacket so they did not see the
00:41:08
jacket it was there it was found at the scene but they did not witness the jacket and then you heard the injuries
00:41:16
that we described very briefly there car's blonde hair no longer appeared to be blonde it appeared to be brownish
00:41:23
black because it was saturated with blood so he Trevor goes from this moment of heart just pure heartbreak to relief
00:41:33
of thank God it's not my sister then to a short time later finding out that no it was it was your sister and then you
00:41:42
got to think too these these two ladies on Horseback once you see the body how how much are you looking at that body
00:41:49
for detail at that point you go it is a body we need to call law enforcement it's not on them to have every single
00:41:58
detail about this victim no and and they're they're answering these questions the best that they can uh
00:42:04
given what they they saw in the brief period of time that they saw it now you know the family her family went to the
00:42:10
hospital as we said her father Jim is the only one that went to the morg but later he said he knew even before he
00:42:19
went to the hospital that it would be Carrie that that they had found when Jim View the body he said that Carrie had
00:42:28
blood coming out of her ears an autopsy would determine that she had multiple fractures to her skull jaw neck and
00:42:38
chest media described her death as due to massive head injury caused by vicious powerful blows indicative of rage and
00:42:47
loss of control and she had been raped the time of death was believed to be between
00:42:53
midnight and 1:00 a.m. this estimate this time of death estimate though comes from the police I've not been able to
00:43:02
view the report to confirm that that's what it says in the the report but this is an item that they have released to
00:43:08
the public if you will the police say that the time of death was between midnight and 1:00 a.m. with the amount
00:43:15
of vicious blows this is a horrible scene it almost to me leans towards somebody in a
00:43:24
complete and utter rage or possibly multiple attackers yes and like we said in all
00:43:33
likelihood it looks like the murder weapon was found at the scene and it's there's several murder weapons these
00:43:40
branches that they found that still had blood on them right at the hospital of course the RCMP Personnel assured the
00:43:48
family that they were going to do everything possible to find out who did this to their daughter to their sister now
00:43:56
now Trevor keep in mind he's only 16 years old at the time he's car's older brother just one year older than than
00:44:04
carry but still to this day Trevor has been the driving force behind the decades long push to keep his sister's
00:44:12
case in the media he says that the murder literally destroyed his family he says that his father became
00:44:21
withdrawn and dysfunctional and his mother was depressed until the very end she she
00:44:27
eventually died of cancer but he says she never got through this she died deeply depressed and that would have
00:44:34
been 16 years after Carrie was killed that she she lived in that deep depression oh I think also sometimes
00:44:44
with these cases her mom's grief and her mom's stress might have caused her illness and I have so much respect for
00:44:57
car's brother and car's friend Nicole with the amount of time and effort like you've said that they try to
00:45:05
keep this in the spotlight it's not solved you know spoiler alert it's not solved and this family wants answers and
00:45:17
of course Captain K's friends were deeply impacted too The Citizen Newspaper says uh did an interview with
00:45:25
her friend Nicole who says I have relived that night for 30 years it doesn't get easier as they say it just
00:45:33
gets different I remember it vividly as the images flash through my head at lightning speed I see myself sitting in
00:45:40
the basement with her on my lap standing outside and feeling the snowflakes hitting my face finding her gone minutes
00:45:48
later and walking the streets calling her name crying and wanting desperately to find her and nothing walking the
00:45:55
streets putting up posters and going door too the next day being dragged home because a body was found hearing the
00:46:03
phone ring and my mom saying no and begin to cry so that's she's kind of flashing through her memories of of that
00:46:13
night and the following day her this is her friend Nicole that we we've talked so much about already well and you also
00:46:19
wonder as far as her friends go and her family goes especially the brother like you said he's 16 but this was a party of
00:46:27
a bunch of high school kids you would think that maybe there there'd be somebody talking or some rumors and so
00:46:35
yeah maybe the cops are going to solve this case but maybe there's going to be some rumors and some leads that that he
00:46:42
can follow or or her friend Nicole could follow themselves the general consensus
00:46:49
in the town of Thompson as interated by the mother of a classmate of carries was
00:46:55
was quote that sort of thing happens in the big cities but not in Thompson the town had its share of crime of course
00:47:02
but they were generally of the drunk and disorderly variety and also Petty crimes
00:47:09
like theft burglary and of course they had some drugs and so on but not the brutal beating death of a quiet
00:47:16
15-year-old girl one of my first question is as a law enforcement if I was working the case is what drugs and
00:47:25
alcohol were at this party was it just beer was there some type of booze was there heavier drugs at the at this party
00:47:35
all reports are that they had some beer there and we need to keep in mind too it's a different time it's a it's a very
00:47:41
different location than where we live there were persons that were 15 to 18 years old so the 18-year-olds could
00:47:49
legally drink well with such a short and quick timeline Carrie and her friend Nicole go to this party with a group of
00:47:58
teens they're at the party for a time period Carrie runs into her ex-boyfriend she feels uncomfortable ask her friend
00:48:05
Nicole if they can leave Nicole runs into her ex talks with him for a little bit seems like Carrie lost her patience
00:48:13
and decided to just head out on her own she leaves the party Nicole her friend can't find her the next day the family
00:48:22
report her missing and then the following Saturday they find her body such a short time period a lot of
00:48:31
emotions and a lot of questions that we need answers [Music] for want to thank everybody so much for
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