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[Music] [Music] foreign where we left off yesterday Captain we are going through the timeline of David
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Edward moust one that I would categorize as a unique serial killer as said in 2003 they discovered the bodies of three
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teenage boys in his basement and then the community discovers that this man that they are arresting and charging
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with a triple homicide he's already been convicted twice of murder so why was he
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living in their neighborhood this leads us up to 1967 when mouse was just 13 years old
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he's now been institutionalized placed there by his mother for about four years at this
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point he was sent from the psychiatric hospital to the Alex Children's Home which had a reputation for sexual abuse
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this is according to the Munster Indiana Times this part captain gets a little fuzzy because moust was then sent back
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to the mental hospital in 1970. the reasons for this not clear but I'm sure that if there were if he was living in a
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situation that had a reputation for sexual abuse even though he did not like living at the psychiatric hospital he
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probably was glad to be sent back to this Hospital after leaving the hospital David moust
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worked construction then he enrolled in the Army this was when he was 17 years old he went through basic training and
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was sent to Frankfurt Germany in 1972 to serve as an army cook in Germany for some reason David moust
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was spending time in the company of a 13 year old American boy named Jimmy mclister whose parents were stationed in
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Germany the two met at a bowling alley according to court documents Jimmy called moust a queer and told others
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that he saw maust masturbate well that's the fastest way to become friends as a result others started making fun of
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David moust David moust engineered an outing with this kid with Jimmy riding a pair of stolen mopeds in a German forest
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so so he became friends with the guy that was running around telling everybody he was caught jerking off he
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was already friends with him and says that you know he caught moused masturbating tells everybody this
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now everybody's making fun of David Mouse okay I'm just trying to get this right we have this kid that's abandoned
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by his family put into a psychiatric home then goes to this other facility for basically orphans he's molested
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there goes back to the site may have been he it's a place that's rep has a reputation for sexual abuse so from
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there he is sent back to the psychiatric ward he's there for a while gets out yeah because he's he's 17 he's almost an
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adult by this point so then he goes to the Army and now he befriends this younger kid they send yeah he goes to
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basic training after basic training then they give you a job in the Army and he's
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sent to Germany to work as an army cook this in 1972 And while he's there for some reason who does he become friends
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with he becomes friend with friends with the child not with other adults he starts hanging out with this 13 year old
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American Boy Who the 13 year old American boy is there because his parents are in the Army as well and
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stationed there well one has a connection because they're both American but two you'd have to say or have to
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think that his social skills his social maturity was that probably of a younger kid than a 17
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year old well and this is something that we've seen with adults as well that you
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sometimes when people are institutionalized that they have a different maturity because they did not
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mature that much during the time that they were institutionalized right that's why we have criminal profilers that say
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the most difficult thing to determine in your profile is the age of the offender if you don't
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have any statements from eyewitnesses because you don't know the maturity level of someone that's been potentially
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locked up for 15 20 years they don't mature the same way that you and I would out here living amongst other people in
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society right so Captain it looks to me like whatever went down between Mouse and this 13 year old boy right the David
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moust wanted to either shut the kid up or he wanted revenge against the kid because now everybody's picking on him
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and making fun of him yeah Conan flicky so it seems like he engineered this plot
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to get the kid to come out and hang out with them the two were out riding on a pair of stolen mopeds out in the forest
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and while out in the forest moused hit Jimmy over the head he then tied the boy to a tree and beat him to death with a
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board that had Nails sticking out of him Jesus David moust hid the body in some of the brush the boy's body was not
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found until about a month later I mean look you catch somebody masturbating just never never tell anybody
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never you could be beaten to death with a board with nails this the weird thing here Captain is that mouse was only
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convicted of manslaughter and he was he was convicted of manslaughter and larceny this for stealing the mopeds but
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was not charged with murder because there were no witnesses that could place Jimmy
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and David Mouse together on the same day that Jimmy died okay so just because they can't place them together then how
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the heck is he responsible in any way shape or form are they saying well because he still stole the moped and the
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13 year old was on the moped that that's how he died well this is a difficult situation what I think happened here is
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that they cannot put the Killer and victim together they have nobody that can testify at court and say these two
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were together on that day or right Mouse tricked this kid out into the forest with him and then later we found his
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body a month later what I think happened here is that we have a plea bargain I think that they had enough suspicion
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surrounding David moust especially if there's there's there's this rumor going around that the kid
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caught him masturbating and told everybody about it yeah caught him this dude this dude is going to be your
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number one suspect when the kid goes missing and when you find his body a month later
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You're Gonna Keep confronting him and confronting him and say hey we know this and we know that about you David moust
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what we know from the the 2003 murders he eventually confessed to all three of them right so that that is who he is
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that's his makeup so very likely what happened here is he says okay you're you're suspicious of me yeah I was with
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him what what his story is is that we were out riding together on these mopeds in the forest and little
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Jimmy smacked into a tree like Sonny Bono and died and I just I just hit his body and
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then left I got scared and left so they they can kind of piece together what they believe happened but they don't
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have any way of proving that in court and in fact this was a a court-martialed situation and he was sentenced to
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some sources say five years in some sources say four years at Fort Leavenworth for this situation and again
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because he's enrolled into the the military I wonder if that had something to do with him being charged with a
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lesser crime I I again I'm guessing it's what he was agreeing to be to be convicted of right he probably stuck to
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his story that the kid died on it in some kind of accident on these stolen mopeds out in the forest what's weird
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here and I know I keep saying that but David Mouse to me seems to be a very unique serial killer and will get into
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why I believe leave that here in a bit but he gets this very light sentence right captain of depending on which
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source four or five years he is getting paroled after serving just three years during the parole portion he's telling
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authorities do not parole me do not let me out I don't want to be let out of prison
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keep me here this was either ignored or denied and he was released in 1977. yeah
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but you see this occasionally or at least through like the journals or the thoughts or interviews of many serial
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killers where they go I killed this guy then I told myself never again and so I think this is a situation where he's
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going just keep me locked up because I'm going to do this again right I think he
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has a realization of who he is of what he's capable of and maybe he's even afraid of that himself and does not like
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who he is does not want to be evil but he believes himself to be it almost it's like I can't control myself keep me here
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please I don't want to hurt anybody else one after he's released he's gonna he's
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gonna get back to America he's going to be living in Chicago and he's going to be committing more crimes there and
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these are violent crimes and these are situations where it's just it's just bizarre because this
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next event went so far as that he was actually tried and went to trial for this in 1980 for armed violence
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attempted murder and aggravated battery this was from a stabbing that took place
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in 1979 the victim's name Mark Earnhardt who was a co-worker with David moust at
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the FJ Lytle machine company in Chicago Mouse have been working with this company for 18 months he was making
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about a thousand bucks a month as a machinist he and Mark were hanging out one night when Mouse suddenly stabbed
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Who David Mouse refers to as his friend he stabs his friend in the abdomen with an eight-inch knife well he just beat
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his one friend to death with a board with nail sticking out a few years earlier so he he likes to be friends with these
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people and then it's almost like this guy hates himself so much that if you're friends with him
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he wants you dead yeah and thankfully Mark lived through the situation David Mouse lied on the witness stand
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apparently saying that this whole incident was an accident it sounds to me like there just was not
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enough evidence to convict maust of anything so he was found to be not guilty in this situation but what we're
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pointing out here Captain is that David Mouse one got off light for a murder in Germany and then got away with it
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entirely for an attempted murder here in Chicago just a couple years later I wonder if this friend caught him jerking
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off well I don't know but a couple of months later Mouse stabbed someone else this time the
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guy died here's what happened this is per the Chicago Tribune in August of 1981 David Mouse started to believe that
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the cause of his violent Behavior was from a homosexual incident or homosexual activity that he
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had engaged with with a a boy just a few years earlier so he's all mad and worked up about this
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situation he decides he's going to go out and look for this teenager and when he finds him he's going to kill him
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maybe he was afraid that the the boy would tell people about it at the time mouse was living in Wood ale a western
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suburb of Chicago so he drove to his former neighborhood of Greenview where he knew that the
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teenager was living at the time you know he's asking around about this kid and he
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learned that the kid was in jail so his Target the person he's all enraged at that he wants to find and kill he's not
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going to be able to do because this kid's locked up in jail so he decides on the spot you know what
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I'll just go after someone else and really anyone else he spots Donald Jones age 15. this is almost like a surrogate
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victim for Mouse yeah he somehow gets this 15 year old into his vehicle he drove out to a
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remote location this was a gravel Quarry where he stabbed the teenager in the stomach and then threw him in a
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water-filled gravel pit the kid of course begging for his life years later moust would would write
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about this attack and this is saying things like he could even years later he could still hear Donald Jones the 15
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year old saying I'm only 15. please do not kill me please don't hurt me the the 15 year old drowned in that water filled
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Gravel Pit it's amazing that David was able to read or write with his horrible upbringing and his lack of Education
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yeah the body of this kid would not be found until almost two months later I have no idea Captain to be perfectly
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honest with everyone it's completely unclear to me how David moust was caught for this and and but he
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was eventually charged with the murder of Donald Jones this is a stranger on Stranger attack right I don't know what
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led to him but what we do know is that before David Mouse could be prosecuted he decides boom I'm out of here he took
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off for Texas so in December of 1981 the same year while mouse was in the Lone Star State the following incident took
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place a 14 year old boy named Stephen Anderson was walking home from a 7-Eleven that's for those not familiar
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that's an old gas station in Galveston Texas he's walking home with his buddy Richard sweet
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Mouse pulled up in a two-tone Chevy Blazer and asked if they wanted to earn some money doing some work for him
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they both say yes but Mouse says I only need one of you so Richard sweet he says you know what I
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had a bad feeling about the situation so I just said you know what I'm not interested the other boy Stephen
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Anderson climbed into the Blazer and told David mouse that he needed to call his mother to let her know where he was
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so Mouse drove the kid to a motel a few blocks away as Stephen walked into the motel room
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before he could use the phone moust punched him in the back of the head right then he put him on the bed and kept
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punching Stephen threatening that if he screamed or yelled he would kill him Mouse took off
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the boy's pants and Stephen says he does not recall anything after that up to this point where moust drops the
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kid off at a park just a few hours later right he tries to give the kids some money
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saying you know don't tell anybody what happened here's some money don't talk about this
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according to the police report the kid was in the hospital for this attack for about a week he had several injuries
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severe injuries to his arms face head shoulders and chest and a stab wound to the abdomen
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there were marks on this kid's wrist that indicated that he was tied up and bound at some point during this attack
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he later told the newspaper quote my mom said that they did test on me at the hospital and I wasn't raped but I think
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he did rape me and my mom was just protecting me at the time or maybe it's something that he's blocked out of his
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memory mouse was charged with causing bodily injury to a child he pled guilty and was sentenced to five years the
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Texas authorities were aware of his outstanding warrant for the Jones murder in Illinois
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and so while he was in prison in Galveston Cook County Illinois officials arrived down there to talk with him
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about the Donald Jones murder case there again we see the repeated actions of this guy
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he confesses to police that he killed Donald Jones however he refused to sign any type of written statement I mean
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this guy is an absolute monster monster and what also is apparent here I think is
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he's a loose cannon it seems like a lot of these attacks there's definitely some
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sexual aspects to a lot of this Behavior but also a lot of this seems Revenge filled in in in hate-filled where it
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doesn't take much to make him fly off the rails and and attack someone to the point where he's stabbing people yeah
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and I know I was making the joke that he looks like Nick Nolte mixed with the Ultimate Warrior it's almost you know
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the the whole character of The Ultimate Warrior was come in yeah and be explosive and and then
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you're done right and it's but it seems like that's kind of characteristic of of
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how David acts so Captain he's locked up for this attack this what you could almost determine to be attempted murder
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but only charged with causing bodily harm to a juvenile locked up in Texas Illinois officials come down and he
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verbally confesses to killing Donald Jones will not sign a written statement what's discussed behind the scenes is
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that all of the parties involved determined that we need to extradite David mouse back to Chicago so that he
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of this stuff with David moust is now happening in 1983 Captain he's extradited from Texas back up to
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Illinois he's 28 years old at this time this next part gets very confusing because
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he's extradited to face murder charges the victim again Donald Jones yeah but what takes place is David moust was
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institutionalized and basically sits there for an entire decade while not a whole lot happens
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with the murder charge itself this is because they're trying to evaluate David Mouse to see if he is
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sane or not so there was a a big discrepancy between the experts who disagreed in their assessments of this
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man's sanity some of the according to court records some of the medical experts found him to
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be insane and others found him to be quite sane and that he should be tried for this month well
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they all found him to be a pile of [ __ ] well did it one of the police officers
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write something like on on the cover sheet of this where he says uh he's a bad guy and Gacy type yeah that was from
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the extradition paperwork where one of the detectives called him a Gacy type which is very interesting because that
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is what we would later see in the 2003 murder it's so much like AC but it's I mean it's like Dean Coral
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we've seen this time and time again Jeffrey Dahmer was doing the same thing it's if you want to if you want to
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attract teenage boys to hang out with you and you're an adult give them some alcohol give them some
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money give them some marijuana and that stuff that they can't get elsewhere and they will hang out with you yeah and
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then and then we've also seen that after you give those said teenage boys marijuana or beer that even times where
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these guys are they're offering them a rub and tug or they're offering them you know how about you suck me off or I suck
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you off or whatever it is right it's almost like some of these T these teenagers will just go well I didn't
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know if he was joking or not or I or I thought that was strange but he never touched me yeah Bob Bordello did the
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same thing the way that he's a little bit different from Gacy and more like he's on a fat slob more like Dean coral
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and more like Jeffrey Dahmer in my opinion is that he moused according to his own words later
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was looking for a victim and I know Gacy was looking for a victim but the situation with Gacy was a little
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different most of the his victims worked for him or the lore the the ruse was giving them jobs you said jobs where in
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this situation it's simply Mouse supplying them with alcohol and drugs Dean Coral very similar situation
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although Dean Coral the Candyman had other teenagers bringing these teenagers to his home Jeffrey Dahmer simply picked
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on on poor people he picked on poor young victims and would use small amounts of money and a lot of occasions
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to get these teenage boys back to his apartment Jeffrey Diamond the sugar daddy David Mouse told detectives
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because they asked him they're like well how did you pick your victims and he said I would watch in the
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neighborhood and I would see the kids whose parents never seem to be around the kids who were always out hanging out
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on the street the ones that were always outside and I knew that I could approach them
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and I could offer them things that they probably wanted beer cigarettes marijuana money and such and I could get
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them to become my friend and spend some time with me yeah well I think the other
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thing though too is uh because he was a I guess who would say abandoned by his family there probably had to be a
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loneliness there for David and so find other individuals that are lonely because the Common Thread it seems like
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in most these crimes or at least a high percentage of the crimes that he's committing
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that is like you said they're friends they became friends they were friends before they became victims so David
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mouse was finally held legally accountable for the Donald Jones murder but as we said he pretty much sat there
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for a decade while they tried to determine if he was sane or not to charge him with this so he's not charged
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until May of 1994 to which Captain I know you know what what takes place here he pled guilty yeah
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but like you said that's kind of it's his makeup yeah but I think that has a lot to do
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with as far as when they say he's insane or not insane I think the fact that he is confessing to these crimes
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proves that he is of sane Mine He's sane enough to say what I've done is insane and I should
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not be around other people he pled guilty he was sentenced to 35 years in prison at his sentencing the brother of
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the victim stands up and tells the Cook County circuit court judge quote please do not
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let him out to hurt any other kid again David moust was out of prison five years
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later he said he was sentenced to 35 years yes and he gets out in five okay so this is what's
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horrific but he must be he seriously he must be given hand jobs to to every parole officer well no there
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was there was some walls that were in place at the time that were just bad laws and other states have been guilty
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of this too throughout our history where they have the prison population is overcrowded so they're they're trying to
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speed up the the process and yeah what they end up doing is letting these guys out way too soon in this particular
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situation what we have is in 1981 the year that Mouse killed Donald Jones in the state of Illinois state law called
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for murderers and others to get credit for everyday served it was under this situation Captain they're basically
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getting a two for one on the days served keep in mind he's been sitting there this whole time
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while they try to determine if he's sane or insane this is roughly about 12 years
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so mouse gets credit for all 12 of these years he serves five years in prison so
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now we're up to 17 and he's getting a two for one credit so if you do the math according to moust and according to the
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sentencing laws at the time he did almost all of the 35-year sentence it's just a it's just a broken
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system it's a it's a bad law and just think about what's happening at this time you know we have a the War on Drugs
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is happening they're they're locking up individuals for selling crack and for selling marijuana and putting them in
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jail for all this time but on the other hand you have a situation here where David Mouse is let out it's absolutely
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ridiculous so now David Mouse is getting out of prison again and every victim after this should sue the state well
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they could all still be alive it's yeah it's again it's just bad state law at the time and they did go on to change
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that and mainly because of this case and and some others as well but he's getting
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out after this time served David Mouse did not again he does not want out of prison
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oddly enough in 1999 Mouse wrote a five-page letter to the Illinois Department of Corrections asking that he
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not be released from prison even though he had done his time moust wanted to be classified as a sexually violent
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prisoner eligible to be held indefinitely he wrote quote when I came to prison I would sit up at night
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thinking about how I would feel about the possibility of staying in prison for the rest of my life and I came to the
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conclusion it's the right thing for my life and being in prison is where I belong because I gave up the right to be
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free when I committed the crimes that brought me here in the first place look I think maybe there would be a
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difference this guy seems apologetic maybe even a little bit reformed possibly so they're going okay well the decision
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to let him out it's not so bad if he would have stated you know what you let me out I'm gonna do it again you let me
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out I'm going to befriend somebody and I'm going to murder them and and if you let me do that I'm going to befriend
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another one and kill them and befriend another one and kill them and I'm just not going to stop killing people because
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that's who I am well the Department of Corrections stated that he did not meet the criteria to be placed on any to be
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placed on that list and basically held in their facilities so despite all of this he's released in on parole in 1999
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he lived in Oak Park Illinois you know he's not going to be allowed to leave the state while he's still on parole so
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he's going to live there until 2001. well at least until 2001 without committing any known crimes right
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because years later he said that he attacked an ex-prison mate this man's name is Anthony mazur Mouse said that he
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had Anthony visit him with the promise that the two would start a marijuana grow operation together Mao said that he
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had the funds to buy a large piece of property and start up this whole operation but of course this was all a
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lie Mouse attacked Anthony mazur with a pipe and according to Anthony he says he
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yelled at Mouse to stop and eventually he did so Mazer survived Mouse then took Anthony to the hospital even signing the
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papers to admit him to the hospital the attack on Anthony mazur required Anthony
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to get 48 Staples in 26 stitches and of course we later learned that Mouse says that he he lied about the
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marijuana grow farm he made the whole thing up because he wanted a friend he later wrote quote it's true that I
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only met Anthony because I lied to him and I told him I had lots of money from selling drugs right I was hoping in time
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I could turn that lie into a truth as we became better friends but Anthony wanted
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to live in Wisconsin so that Saturday afternoon I tried to get him drunk and then I beat his head in with a pipe end
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quote Anthony decided to try to press charges but this was after several months he waited so this was after
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several months and police later said that they didn't have sufficient evidence for an arrest
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after that much time had passed so another very violent vicious attack that almost left another person
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dead and murdered he's not even charged with anything in this situation what's so strange too
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it's like in this case maybe a little bit different because his friend wants to move to Wisconsin so I think there's
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a part of him that well I'll kill him so he can't leave me he doesn't leave me yeah yeah I don't want him to leave me
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but and I think that makes this victim different as the other ones and maybe he befriended these people then then he was
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afraid we we don't know if there was an interaction between any of these other victims where oh I said something and I
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I didn't think they were going to be friends with me anymore so I killed them too I almost think there's part part of
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something in his psyche like I said before something that is telling him you like me you're my friend and that makes
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you awful could be and he hates himself and therefore he hates anybody that would accept him or like him right but
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what's interesting and what you're getting at here too is that time and time again he is friends with all of
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these victims before they are his victim it with the exception of Donald Jones who is basically a surrogate victim for
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the person he sought for the teenager he went looking for and could not find right so David Mouse parole ended in
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2002 and it was then early the next year in 2003 that he moved to Hammond in Indiana
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where we now know that he killed the three teenage boys that were hanging out at his apartment and buried him and
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cement in his basement he's one that immediately people when they learn about David Mouse he's not a very well-known
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serial killer he is in Northwestern Indiana because that's where they he killed three victims
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most people when they learn about David moust they say he's got to have more victims the span of crimes between the
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murders it's it's 29 years and three murders at the end of one spectrum and two at the the beginning of
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the other and 29 years he's got to have more victims he has more victims he just didn't kill
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them is what it appears to me because what we need to keep in mind is out of that 29 years he's basically
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locked up for about 21 years of that time period he's not out and free for the entire 29
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years because his situation is very unique he's convicted of murder served sometime and he's released later
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convicted of another murder served some time and is released again we've seen this in other cases Kenneth
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McDuff the broomstick killer who we talked about when we covered the yogurt shop murders
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yeah he's another situation where he murdered someone he was convicted of murder and then released he gets out and
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he kills again Jack Henry Abbott the author of in the belly of the Beast same thing he murdered someone he's in
00:39:10
prison he writes the book in the belly of the Beast people fall in love with this guy they
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read his book and they're like oh he's he's a victim on some level himself and he served a good amount of prison time
00:39:21
let's go ahead and let him out his fans called for him to be let out they let him out and sure enough he
00:39:27
kills somebody else again yeah so this is not something that we haven't seen before but it is a very
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uncommon situation where you kill serve time you're released you kill again mouse does this
00:39:43
three different times which is incredibly unique but then you also have the situation of
00:39:52
he is a rare serial killer because of remorse this guy almost shows contrition where he he's remorseful and penitent of
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of his crimes and of his murders and he's weird because that word remorse is really
00:40:16
difficult to slap onto David moust you know he has said multiple times my victims did not deserve what they got
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right what I did to these people they did not deserve this so he at least at the very least
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identifies them as a victim some serial killers blame their actions on the victims themselves
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but with David moust I don't know that I would use the word remorse I think that
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it's misused in this situation I think that his situation seems to me more of he
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recognizes himself as evil he does not approve of his actions and he knows the only way that he's not
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going to do these again is if he remains locked up lock me up and throw away the key so I
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can't go out there and be evil right but what we see with David is they lock him up and they always release
00:41:17
him yes yes he does and that's even when he even when they go to release him he goes don't don't release me and I
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think at some point he had to go this system is not going to protect anybody else
00:41:37
you know I I can't stop whatever I'm doing I've been telling everybody I can't stop
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but they keep letting me out So eventually I'll get out eventually we'll do this again
00:41:51
well in in reviewing this case Captain when I saw that first conviction for murder
00:41:56
he pled guilty in the first situation and he says as part of my plea agreement I would like to not be put in the
00:42:05
general prison population and I always thought first that maybe that is because he does not want prison Justice to come
00:42:14
down on him you know we said this time and time again Charles Manson was terrified that somebody was going to
00:42:20
murder him in prison right and he did a lot of things made a lot of maneuvering so that he would be kept in isolation or
00:42:27
in special housing or a special wing of the prison so it'd be less likely that somebody could attack and kill him
00:42:35
I assume that going into this with David moust I now look at this and go well is
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there a chance that he didn't want to be put in the PR in the general prison population because he thought he would
00:42:47
kill somebody there yeah because people are lonely in prison they become friends and what does David
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do with his friends he murders them or or tries to murder them after David mouse was convicted and
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sentenced to three life terms this in 2005 David moust wrote to the detective in charge of the case in Hammond Indiana
00:43:12
the the one that arrested him David detective Johnson who at this point after being convicted David Mouse
00:43:22
considers the detective to be a friend of his he writes to him and he says quote not
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now but when the time is right I will do the right thing for the parents and for
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the taxpayers who have to be pissed with the thought of having to pay to keep an evil person
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like me alive end quote then in January of 2006 moust got word that he was about to be
00:43:51
transferred to the doc facility to begin serving his life sentence he was still in the Lake County Jail at this time
00:44:00
his attorney his defense attorney was Thomas veins who visited him the day before the
00:44:08
transfer he said that he saw no hint that David was going to kill himself yeah sometimes there's no sign but Mouse
00:44:19
did tell him that he was thinking about it and he told his attorney he was thinking about it in some vague terms
00:44:26
where he said someday I will kill myself but at the end of this meeting David moust gave his defense attorney several
00:44:36
of his personal items the next day on January 19th at 3 50 A.M moust hung himself with a braided bed
00:44:46
sheet in his cell the hanging broke his neck and he was found brain dead he's alive but brain dead right so they
00:44:57
transferred him to Saint Anthony Medical Center in Crown Point but the next day I
00:45:03
wonder who got all the trophy as his brother debated turning off the life support
00:45:08
moust died of heart failure you must wonder if like the universe wanted Masters suffer a little bit well his
00:45:17
attorney Thomas vane said quote I think he was determined to die on his own terms and if he couldn't get the death
00:45:24
penalty this was his second choice now David Mouse did leave a seven-page suicide note and here are some excerpts
00:45:32
from that he likes to write my he says my brother was right about one thing I should have been given the death
00:45:39
sentence for all of my evil acts of violence that I committed in life he goes on to say the day after the Hammond
00:45:46
Police came to my home I decided to leave for someplace unknown I wasn't running to keep from being punished
00:45:53
because I always knew I should be destroyed and killed like they sometimes do to a wild animal that escapes from
00:46:02
confinement for I know how to punish myself and I only left that day to punish myself for the shameful evil Life
00:46:11
I Lived and because of the embarrassment I would cause the people who knew me and
00:46:16
allowed me into their homes yeah my greatest fear of suffering was for the pain sorrow and grief the parents would
00:46:25
feel when they learned their loving Sons were gone again insane acts but he knows
00:46:32
they're insane which I believe makes him a sane person we talk about and people question did David Mouse commit more
00:46:41
murders and one thing that I find fascinating is that his defense attorney says he does not believe David Mouse
00:46:49
committed any other murders and this is because David moust wrote a lot when he was in prison toward the end
00:46:59
of his life before he took his life not just in the suicide note that was several pages long but he also kept a
00:47:06
diary where he talked about attacks that law enforcement were not aware of or attacks that didn't lead
00:47:15
that didn't end in Murder but it didn't end in a conviction either and I think that his attorney is look
00:47:24
his attorney is the real deal this attorney Vance because vayne's has seen this from both ends from both sides
00:47:33
of the fence veins used to be a prosecutor he prosecuted other murderers he sent other murders to death sentences
00:47:45
and then later in life he became a defense attorney and defends this serial killer and much like with the people
00:47:53
that defended Gacy your your obligation really to your client at that point when you know this
00:48:03
guy is 100 guilty of murdering people and the evil and evil is not to keep him out of prison it's to keep him from
00:48:11
getting the death penalty and I think that veins is the one that says look there's no doubt in my mind that David
00:48:20
moust wanted to die and we know that for a fact because he did kill himself and Vane says that had he committed any
00:48:31
other murders had David Mouse committed any other murders that would have got him a step closer to the death penalty
00:48:38
he would have told us about him that death penalty was his number one choice on how to die suicide was his second
00:48:48
option another note from the suicide note another piece from the suicide note Captain David Mouse wrote in my life I
00:48:56
committed five horrible murders I killed Jane mclister age 13 Donald Jones age 16
00:49:04
Nicholas James age 19 James ragani age 16 and Michael Dennis age 13. for these five were very special and how they were
00:49:17
so kind caring thoughtful joyful and loving young people who did not deserve to die and I have prayed many days that
00:49:26
I could go back through time and undo the pain sorrow and grief that I have caused their families friends and the
00:49:35
neighbors from their communities for I know these five were very much loved and will forever be dismissed I feel like
00:49:43
David Edward Mouse attorney said it best when he said quote David moust was a one-of-a-kind client with an outsized
00:49:52
drive for self-understanding and atonement he was capable of horrific violence with
00:49:58
an equal capacity for contrition David was genuinely sorry for hurting others right up to the time that he did it
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