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crime such a case four people found dead in a home and today we learned this was
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not a murder suicide investigators say the victims didn't have time to fight back against the person who killed them
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7 news reporter Tony sedron talked with relatives tonight I keep feeling like I should be
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waking up from a dream right now and it it's just not happening so yeah it's um it's like a movie or something it's
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not supposed to be real life Monday afternoon four adults were found dead inside a home in Pendleton Anderson
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County coroner Greg shore is calling it a quadr Drupal homicide well it's just tragic and something that we don't see
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here in Anderson County very often uh the last time we had four people killed uh involv in homicide was in 20072 2008
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the four victims were Mike Scott his wife Kathy Scott and their mothers Barbara Scott and violet Taylor Amy
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vardi says her mother Kathy usually walks her dog in the morning and when she didn't see her outside Monday
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morning she called her house and nobody answered I went to knock the door and I walked in it was dark I heard TVs
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on and I flipped the light on and um that's about as far as I can go on that one vardi says her family has been
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kept out of the loop during the investigation while investigators do everything they can to solve the crime
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and I understand there again they've got a job to do but sometimes as as family members we
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want answers and we just want to know what's what's going on and now that evidence
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has been collected from the scene all valard and her family can do is wait if um if you were talking directly to the
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person do want to look in the camera and just say exactly what you would say to that person I can't say that on
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TV I'm just going to be honest I can't say that on TV in Pendleton Tony sedone 7
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[Music] News in observance of the first anniversary of the quadruple homicide the independent male sat down with the
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two detectives leading the homicide investigation this is Jean Culbertson and Tracy Co quote there hasn't been a
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day we haven't worked on it call said they reviewed the evidence over and over they said they remained optimistic that
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the case would be solved and they said that there is literally nothing we won't investigate it's an active investigation
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we want nothing more than to give Justice to these people they deserve it their family and their grandchildren
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deserve answers that detective said but Co and Culbertson would not share what they were working on or at least they
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working Theory regarding the case they just simply said that evidence was still being processed by
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sled and it had been submitted in October it wasn't known what the evidence was that was submitted and they
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said that they were waiting on receiving the answers and information back regarding those test but what we end up
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having here Captain to kind of make this case even more complex is a civil suit so and actually this was the
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sheriff's office that was battling a lawsuit so in May of 2016 Amy and Ross valard filed a civil suit against the
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Anderson County Sheriff's Office to compel them to return all of the items that the Sheriff's Office had impounded
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as potential evidence these were items taken from both homes the murder house and the house where the valaris lived in
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the back of the lot pursuant to multiple search warrants executed by the sheriff's office so the list of items
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that we're talking about is the The valores Wanted back were guns Electronics a 2010 Toyota Tundra and a
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2005 Toyota Corolla they also said that they wanted $887,000 in cash now it's important to
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note it's important to note here that this $887,000 in cash was was found in the valard trailer not the trailer where
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the murders occurred so some of these items were taken from the trailer and some of them were taken from where the
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valaris lived the complaint stated that the Sheriff's Office had completed numerous tests and analysis on the
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currency specifically stating that they had found no DNA or other evidence linking the plaintiffs who are
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requesting this these items back to any wrongdoing mhm stated that the Sheriff's
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Office had wrongfully and willfully retain possessions of the property despite the property lacking any
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evidentiary value in other words you found no trace evidence on this stuff and you haven't pressed charges against
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us so give us back our property but one of the problems is when law enforcement was talking to Amy again this is one of
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the victim's daughters lives on the property so of course they're going to ask her what's going on
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of course she's going to be somebody of interest that they want to talk to and she also States well you know my my
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stepfather he was known because he would have these what do you want to call it antiques or whatever he was buying yeah
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Collectibles valuables that he was buying and selling and and helping others to sell as well yeah and so she
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said yeah he had he was known to have a lot of cash on hand right mhm and so when you think of a lot of cash on hand
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I'm thinking like I don't know a couple thousand bucks is a lot of cash on hand but she was saying like this could be
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like 60,000 or more yeah so then when they don't find that in the victim's house and they find that in your house
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well that's pretty suspicious don't you think especially when you have a small business that there's no evidence that
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you're doing well enough to have that kind of cash on hand yes and so that's what I wanted to get into here because
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the first thing that jumped into my mind look I life can get pretty tough there's
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no need to make it tougher on on people especially people that had suff suffered
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such a great loss like this so my first thought was well okay well maybe this money that that they found at the ard's
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house they needed it back because they they you know people need money to pay bills and whatnot and so perhaps Ross
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and Amy really needed their money back but then here's what we get into it's presumably not to pay any kind of
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mortgage or rent they're still living on the Scott property and here's a bizarre twist in
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my opinion and this is fact soon after the murders they moved in with the kids they took the kids and they moved into
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the main house on the property the one where the shooting had gone down where the murders took place listen to this
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this is by November 12th they had moved into the trailer and they started ripping out the carpet and even replace
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the furniture now let look everybody's different I'm certain I certainly have my fair share of weird okay I'm taking a
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big I got a big batch of weird in me but let me toss out a hypothetical to you here Captain you are considered one of
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the great minds of our time so I want to get your opinion underrated some people
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would say let's say you and your family and let's say you're living with your family and you got a couple kids and you
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live on this property it's fairly large but your one of your relatives a couple of your relatives and some other people
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were murdered in another house on that property and they've not found the person that did it would you for a
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second consider moving your children into that home like would wouldn't you think like there there's a chance this
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guy or these guys could come back and they're not going to find an empty house this time they're going to find
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potential four more potential victims yeah I believe it was like the the day of the funeral the husband of Amy was
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moving furniture out of the the main house to sell it or or something strange and then Amy herself wears a weird
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outfit to the funerals like bright red dress with a big Kentucky Derby Style hat I mean just some strange things
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again I don't have you I don't have a problem if you want to question law enforcement don't question them because
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they're questioning you I hate when people go stop looking at us and go find the the The Killers okay there's a
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process and so I I think they're started to have a bunch of red flags but when you're law enforcement and you show up
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to a property you don't there's not a clear motive and then you find this stack of cash the
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investigation or the evidence is pointing you into a direction and then you go well what the what would the
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motivation be the motivation would be money and then what does that person that you now start going okay is it
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possible that Amy or Amy and her husband are responsible for these murders and we
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know that they they had a a feud a Family Feud but but on top of that we have this cash and then they try
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to sue the police department to me that's more evidence that the motivation was not just hatred it was
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hatred and money well word and if look in their defense if a sheriff's office had confiscated
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$80,000 for my home I would be living I would want my money back like at some point like I get it you have an
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investigation to do but I have m de feed you know I have a situation where I got
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a family of four now let's go back to the situation of family of four because there's no way in hell I'm moving my
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children into a murder home where the murder is still unsolved especially when it's family
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members that could have been of mine that could have been targeted if it's just me no problems man I'll I'll sit on
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the front porch every night with a shotgun on my lap and a and a handgun strap in my belt and drinking Bud
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Heavies waiting for the killer to come back so I can get some Street Justice no problems there but we're talking about
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moving children into in fact I wouldn't be able to stay on that property with kids now this lawsuit here is
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interesting because what it does is it opens up some doors that were previously closed because what happens now this
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lawsuit other family members come forward keep in mind there's two people here that that Amy is not related to by
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Blood and so there's other family members of these victims that come forward and they're saying wait a second
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you can sue the Sheriff's Office over these property items if you want but and you're the plff we get that
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however we're other family members and we're here to say that maybe you don't you're not entitled to those you can't
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just assume that all those items were going to go to you right and so we end up getting uh into this squabble over
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what belonged to who what personal property belonged to who and other families get into this lawsuit and
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they're actually on the opposition they're on the sheriff's department side they're saying look not all these items
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belong to to Amy and Ross and this lawsuit ends up dragging on for about five years time and it got really ugly
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so they bring in this forensic accountant had to be employed to make heads or tals of who actually owned the
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money in all of the bank accounts not just what was you know on the properties but also who would legally
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inherit any of this stuff well let me put out a scenario for you it is also in the realm of
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possibility that this family is murdered the daughter that has a feud with her mother and her stepfather goes
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in the house sees this violent Carnage and decides well I'm just going to take this
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money before anybody shows up oh yeah that's that's a possibility I mean she's the one that found them
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dead you you could have you let's say the money they found in her trailer did belong to her mother and
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stepdad or even two of her grandmother and the other grandmother but there would be an opportunity where
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that she could have found them dead and not been responsible for the murders but
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still took the money saw an opportunity right to put it kind of blunt and disgusting but so now let's go to
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January 2017 because here's another shift in the investigation this is when a new sheriff
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came into play and this is Sheriff Chad McBride was elected he took office and took up the
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investigation and there was a he started making a conference this is a press conference
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made comments at this press conference on the second anniversary of the murders in November of
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2017 and he said something that had never been said before to the media he said his investigators had identified
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who we believe are the suspects now they weren't ready to make any arrest is what
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he said and he also said we will not be announcing or saying the names of the suspects but keep in mind we're getting
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some Clues here right suspects we're plural so that tells us the Sheriff's Office believe that at least two people
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are responsible for these murders he also said that they are submitting new evidence additional evidence to labs for
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testing and we're still waiting for answers on that analysis to come back when it does we will hopefully be able
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to move forward with this case at that same press conference we have Pam remember Pam this is Mike's sister her
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mother was also killed and in that trailer she has some statements for the media and this was her statement quote
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this was not a random act of violence we believe our family members were targeted
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and murdered out of hatred and greed God has given us the last two years to grieve and to heal but we still need
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closure end of quote and then she seemed to be speaking directly to the killers and this is strange but
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intriguing she says quote we love you and we forgive you sounds like she's talking directly to somebody yes yes and
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it it almost sounds like we don't know what conversations were had between the Sheriff's Office and some of this
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extended family or what information was passed on from the the new sheriff to Amy and Ross but it sounds like maybe
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even independently of one another Pam the relative and the Sheriff's Office have arrived
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at their own idea or theory of who the suspects should be whether they whether it's a shared opinion or not well let's
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just back up a second we have to remember that Amy was basically saying law enforcement owes it to us to to
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inform us on every movement they're making and so when they weren't given her all this information she was pissed
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off and run into the media about it and then when you're not going to give me back my stuff that you took we're going
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to sue you again I this is just not looking good I don't want to get into the minutia of a lot of this lawsuit
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because it's rather complicated what we're talking about here the short of it Captain would be
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that not just the money and the the property items that were confiscated from the Scott property shortly after
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the murders pursuant to those search warrants but there were also parts of this lawsuit that were trying they were
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trying to sort through with bank accounts okay there were large sums of money in bank accounts and some of it
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had been given to the Scots while they were still alive like hey you know Grandma a and Grandma B have a good
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amount of money in their bank accounts let's give this over to a joint account so it can be used to take care of me
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especially you know you don't want to find yourself in a situation where you got a bunch of money in the bank and you
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get too old to take care of yourself and your loved one who's trying to take care
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of you can't get to your money that is needed for your health care for your well-being for room and board all kinds
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of things right they they have to jump through hoops sometimes to get to that money if you get to a situation where
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you can't take care of yourself or or make withdrawals or write checks for yourself so at some point the
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grandmothers decide that we we're going to get make these bank accounts either joint bank accounts or just straight up
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give some of the money to Michael and Kathy so they can take care of us so they had to sort through all of that now
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what ends up happening is we don't get to sort through a lot of that it it doesn't sound like there was a great
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determination on who gets what before this happens we end up getting some arrest in the case so police worked
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this case for eight years doggedly amassing evidence and building their case by 2023 Anderson
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County Sheriff's detective Scott Hill was in charge of the investigation now this was reported on
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Inside Edition Hill spoke at length on the Unsolved Mysteries podcast in March of 2023 now on that podcast quote Hill
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said that detectives found no signs of any robbery at the scene but grew suspicious when they learned that Mike
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often had large sums of cash on hand thanks to a side business where he would pay cash for gold detectives also
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learned that no one other than family members knew about Mike having these large sums of cash said Hill then when
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detectives obtained a search warrant for Amy and Ross's trailer they made a surprising discovery according to hill
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we found a little over $65,000 almost $68,000 in a safe in the master bedroom of the single wide said Hill that cash
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immediately raised questions for Hill and the other detectives we were told by various family members and confirmed
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through interviews that Amy and Ross were in financial trouble their cars were about to be repossessed they were
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about to be kicked out of the building they rented for their business so it was pretty surprising to find that amount of
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money when they were having Financial issues the family had to have known their Killers because nobody put up a
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fight until after the attack started one week later after all of this the Anderson County Sheriff's Office
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announced that Amy and her husband were Persons of Interest in the quadruple homicide case and this would later lead
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to their [Music] [Music] arrest all right we are back tall can's in the air raise them
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high raise them high yeah I just uh there was always something when you go back and you watch
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these interviews with Amy there's just something that seems off I hate to do this I hate to be the judge a book by
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its cover kind of guy but she's one of those people that as soon as I saw her and watched her talk
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about the case she gave me a bad had uneasy feeling yeah there just was something
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off about I don't know it was partly her demeanor partly her words I don't know it there was just something that was off
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and and I think a lot I think there's other people out there garage friends that would agree with some of those
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statements now very early on in the case you would asked about search warrants on
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the first episode and they executed the s the Sheriff's Office executed numerous
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search warrants at the vard's home this was on November 2nd so the day that the bodies were discovered and then again on
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the 4th and then again on the 11th of November they searched a storage unit owned or rented by Ross in Anderson
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County search warrants State the male victim Mike in the residents is known to deal in gold jewelry and usually has
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large sums of cash according to neighbors they believe that a search warrant of the vard's residents will
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yield evidence pertinent to this investigation okay Captain the seized items include we later f find out what
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the seized items were two dozen fire arms and ammunition knives a camera from the front porch four shotgun residue
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kits a wallet containing ID belonging to someone named James Harris we don't we don't know who this person is Cash two
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gold testing kits a laptop 20 plus phones and a video game console or video game consoles two vehicles a bag of
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yellow metal jewelry and a bag of yellow metal watches now none of the guns that
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were collected by the Sheriff's Office matched the ballistics of the gun used to shoot the four victims well no cuz
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that'd be too easy yes the arrest warrants for Amy and Ross spe specify that the murders took place on or about
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Halloween October 31st 2015 that would be that Saturday the states theory of the case is as follows Amy and her
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mother did not get along the Schism in the family which finally boiled over on the 4th of July had been brewing long
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before Amy posted nasty things about her mother and Mike her stepfather online and refused to let
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them and the grandmothers see the kids but then right before the murders Amy seemed to have a sudden
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change of heart Amy told investigators that she and her mother had made up saying that she contacted her mom and
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said she would bring the kids over to celebrate Halloween a day before the murders Kathy her mother posted on
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Facebook a message saying everything looking better prayers answered the states theory of the case was that
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this was designed to ensure that all four victims Mike Kathy Violet and Barbara would be home that evening well
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because if you just get rid of your mother and you get rid of your stepfather you still have the
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grandparents or the grandmothers that need a place to live so you're not you're you're not going to be able to
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steal the cash because they'll know about the cash you're not going to get whatever items in in the double wide
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that you can sell you're not going to probably get the double wide you know so everybody has to go well and go back to
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our timeline that we discussed in part one the kids were not actually around at all
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Amy's kids had been placed with Ross's parents for the previous week so the couple could enjoy their newlywed week
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they didn't pick up the kids until Sunday the family of four is murdered on Saturday
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Amy's mom is posting on Facebook everything looking better prayers answered the prayers that she was
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praying was that she could see her grandkids yeah Amy was going to bring them over on Saturday night she couldn't
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bring them over Saturday night they were an hour and a half away at Ross's parents home so doesn't line up yeah her
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promise to her mother that they could see the kids on Halloween was a lie a ruse to get access to the house and all
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of the necessary victims now Amy originally told him investigators that she last saw the victims on Halloween
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night around 8:00 p.m. Ross told the police that he had gone to bed at 900 p.m. that Saturday night but police
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found surveillance footage of Ross buying beer at a gas station around 9:30 p.m. Saturday night okay well maybe he
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got his his time wrong but still you you're being asked this two days later you think that you would remember going
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to the gas station and buying beer at 9:30 on that Saturday Amy originally told investigators that on that that
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Sunday morning she and Ross left at 5:00 a.m. to drive to bwood to get the kids what police learn
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what the Sheriff's Office learns is that while on that trip the valaris decided to get rid of their cell phones and get
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new ones also Amy said that she had left a message on her mom's home answering machine when she called that mondy to
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check on them no such message was ever found and then remember the shoes we talked about the
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distinct A6 gel speed star running shoe Prince left at the crime scene in blood with blood drips on top of them Ross
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fardi admitted that he owned that type of sneakers but couldn't produce them they nobody could find these shoes and
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then of course there's that large sum of money from the valard trailer and you know what's interesting too here Captain
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is we criticize these these security cameras an awful lot on this camera at the gas station where Ross went to go
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pick up the beer he's wearing those Asic Gel speedstar running shoes so he had those on that night the night that the
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prince were left at the murder scene he's wearing them buying beer and then two days later three days later when
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they're talking to him about these shoes they met they've magically disappeared this is some damning [ __ ]
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right here one of the most notable aspects of the recovered cash okay this is the cash that they took out of Amy
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vard's trailer was the manner in which the money was organized Miss vardi claimed that she had been saving
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this money for years right she she claimed that her and Ross had been saving up this money and it was their
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life savings their life savings however officers were able to match the manner in which the money was organized to that
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of one of the victims Mike Scott was apparently known to maintain his cash grouped and wrapped
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by denomination and issue date right you know there's a date when the the money was printed he's stacking it fives tens
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this stack is all 20s this stack is all 50s this stack is all 100s and oh but he
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Stacks them in order of the issue date as well this is an incredibly unusual habit and I think
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it's probably safe to say that 95 97 maybe 99% of the people walking the planet do not store their cash in this
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manner that's the exact same way that they found the bundles of bills in Amy vard's home safe that's how they were
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grouped together yeah that's a big red flag and so much of this case doesn't make any sense again going after law
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enforcement to give us information well it makes sense if you're the one that committed the crime you want to know
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what law enforcement knows are they on to you or they not on to you but also like when they ask her well did your
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stepfather have any cash on him why didn't she just lie because she could have said nah he never really had cash
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on him even if other family members came forward and said no he had cash on him cuz he would buy sell and trade and and
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uh he'd also collect gold and turn it into you know have it melted down turn it into money but you could then just go
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well that that's hearsay that's what they think but I I was closer to my parents I would know this and also
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you're the one that finds the bodies you would think that you would have seen these shoe prints then told your husband
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hey you might want to get rid of these shoes cuz cuz those are a unique shoe this is crazy so just two days before
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Mike was murdered in his home so he must have sold something for a friend a coworker because this is October 29th
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remember now we're learning that everybody believes the murders took place October
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31st on the 29th Mike sent a message to a coworker the message contained a photo
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of $100 bills saying quote you're in the money so this must mean like hey I sold
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I sold your item items for you here's your cash it was from this photo in the photo police could see the serial
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numbers on the bills that money with the same exact serial numbers turned up in the vard's home on the day after the
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bodies were found oh God that's the definition of caught red-handed right again though but if you're law
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enforcement you have to go is it possible that they found the family and then they then they took the
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money but I guarantee you law enforcement was smart enough to say so you found the body did anybody else go
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in the house with you because if the answer is no I'm the only one that went into the house then why are your
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husband's Footprints bloody footprints found prints and and shoe prints with blood drops on top of them so the why I
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keep pointing that out is that is evidence that those shoe prints were were made during the commission of the
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murders meaning here's what happened all right he's chasing he's already stabbed
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some people there's blood already on the floors of that home he's racing through
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the home either a to get to the other victim that was found in the bedroom and or to flee the home after everybody's
00:35:54
debt the reason why you see blood droplets on top of his bloody shoe prints is that the the knife that was
00:36:03
used the hunting or military style knife that was used to murder these people was
00:36:08
still dripping blood on top of those shoeprints so I get it there's a there's a lot of ways that you could leave the
00:36:17
door open that they didn't commit the murders but it's it's when you take this piece of evidence and then you add that
00:36:24
piece of evidence and then you add this piece of evidence and then you add another piece of evidence
00:36:28
when you start adding that all up it builds a mountain of evidence that all points to two people it it's it's
00:36:36
conceivable that they didn't murder them it's conceivable that they even took the
00:36:41
cash and the safe from the home and didn't murder these people now let me ask you what do you think the
00:36:49
probability is that the murderer was wearing the same shoes as the husband where we found the money in their house
00:36:56
and we can prove that those shoes were present at the time of the murder it starts it starts it starts to
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get very slim the chances of them not being the ones that committed it well and also their Alibi doesn't check out
00:37:13
their whereabouts don't check out the kids weren't where they said they would be they ditched their cell phones
00:37:21
right doesn't her husband also have a military background you nailed it my friend so look this whole thing was was
00:37:31
planned not just planned it was planned down to the date and time now how did they carry it out well the
00:37:38
investigators from the hit Oxygen TV show The True Crime show they were invited to consult with investigators
00:37:46
from the Sheriff's Office on these two episodes here's one thing that we learned the sheriff McBride and one of
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the detectives they were all considering this they felt that a that whoever carried this out likely
00:38:02
had to have some kind of training okay and and here's what they're saying the the captain Wayne
00:38:10
Mills from the sheriff's office he's a former Marine he felt that the victim's throats being cut very lethally and
00:38:17
efficiently was perhaps the mark of a military suspect quote I believe with the expertise that took place I believe
00:38:25
it was someone very com able with an edged weapon Mills told Cold Justice he goes
00:38:32
on to say a marine fits that category this was someone who took some training and had some background in this type of
00:38:39
situation and obviously was very personally related to the victims end quote Mills pointed out that Marines
00:38:47
were trained to deal with more than one subject at a time as well Ross vardi was a decorated US Marine special
00:38:58
with specialized training and combat needed to guard embassies around the world so to expand on this Theory a
00:39:06
bit it's likely that Amy used her powers of persuasion the kids to gather all the
00:39:14
victims together in the same house at the same time now she's in there in the living room with the four victims Ross
00:39:22
is sitting on the couch presumably next to Mike and out of nowhere Ross initiated the attack before any of the
00:39:30
victims knew what the hell was going on and he very quickly carried out these murders and for what greed my friend
00:39:39
which came first the chicken or the egg hey let's kill them we'd get the money plus we we don't get along with them
00:39:46
anyways or is it well they're not in our lives we don't get along with them anyways let's get rid of them and then
00:39:54
at least we get something out of it well and one thing that I heard someone say years ago and it's always stuck with me
00:40:01
and I think it I think it plays a factor here in this case both parts of this statement you know you often hear people
00:40:10
say money is the root of all evil and I've heard at least one person correct the room and say no the root of all evil
00:40:18
is no money having no money right and so you have these two broke individuals where their lives are falling apart and
00:40:26
they have this Nest Egg that's sitting right in their front yard the only thing you have to do is be willing to kill
00:40:32
four people for it yeah and we we don't know what his background if he was in a situation when he was in the service was
00:40:41
he in situations where he had to take somebody else's life and he just thought well done it before just for different
00:40:49
reasons so after they were indicted by the grand jury a after the all this evidence was presented and the fine
00:40:56
probable cause to make the arrest we end up having this bond hearing where both of them moved to be
00:41:07
released on bond right pending their trial so they would be they would be sent home and
00:41:13
await trial and then they would go to trial well February of last year in 2024 was the bond hearing and Amy and Ross
00:41:21
were each there wearing jail jumpsuits and shackles as they faced judge Taylor Senior Deputy assistant DA Heather Weiss
00:41:31
argued on behalf of the state that Amy and Ross should not be right we should deny Bond so first she goes into this
00:41:38
and reviews the evidence for the judge and then the reasons that Bond should be denied her presentation and argument
00:41:45
included in part the following she says Amy is aware she is facing these charges
00:41:51
we believe if she was ever going to run it would be now we don't know where any of the money is she's saying there's
00:41:58
still money out there that we can't account for it could be in cash she could use this to to flee so the
00:42:06
prosecution basically felt strongly that the couple posed a substantial Flight Risk and that they had the means to
00:42:12
obcon to another country even using assets they drained from the murder victims estate plus several surviving
00:42:21
family members of the Scots and violet Taylor professed in court they fear if Amy and Ross were to be let out and
00:42:31
await trial remember Ross valard was trained in significant hand toand combat in the Marines and Amy's family was
00:42:38
murdered in an intimate fashion could the family suffer violent repercussions because of the arrest should this couple
00:42:45
be released on Bond and then the assistant DA dropped this bomb at the bond hearing quote when I got here today
00:42:55
I found a report from the Sheriff's Office it stated that last night the guard at the jail learned from another
00:43:02
inmate that Amy valard had a shank a piece of a metal bed the cell was tossed and they found two Shanks in
00:43:11
her room a witness said Amy made a comment that she was going to get out of jail one way or another so the state has
00:43:19
significant concerns about danger to the community and Flight Risk posed by the valaris I guess the argument for
00:43:28
allowing bond for the valaris was that the defense did not agree with the state's evidence obviously they never
00:43:35
they never do they did point out a few interesting angles to it one being that there didn't seem to be a whole lot of
00:43:43
this this case drug gone for eight years before an arrest was made they didn't seem to have a whole lot of new evidence
00:43:49
right they had evidence that had been collected early in the investigation so they're questioning if there was enough
00:43:55
evidence for the arrest in in the first place but then also stating this case drugg on for eight years and
00:44:01
these two never took off prior and your spot on here Captain it the the judge judge Taylor agreed and denied the bond
00:44:12
and simply put it it's because of the heinous nature of the offenses charged in this case right like if if there's
00:44:20
enough evidence to arrest these two on this kind of case this kind of violent horrific heinous cas Cas then these two
00:44:28
are not going to be allowed to just run around and roam freely while they await their trial which necessarily isn't
00:44:35
going to happen tomorrow or next week or the or next month we've seen plenty of times where it takes a year two years
00:44:42
five years to get to a trial of this magnitude with the amount of episodes we've done it seems like nothing should
00:44:49
shock us or nothing should should surprise us anymore but these vicious murderers
00:44:59
shocking but what's also shocking and I guess we'll never I'll never be able to wrap my head around is
00:45:08
you go for what you killed these innocent people for what because you had a feud with them is
00:45:20
that is that the reason or was money the reason you know and you go okay 60 to $80,000 was that really going to change
00:45:32
anything it might change your life get you out of some hole you got yourself into but chances are you're just going
00:45:42
to get back into that same hole and you can never undo what you did and I bet there's no communication of there
00:45:52
this there's no evidence of this but it's very possible that they at some point ask
00:46:01
for some monetary help but she didn't seem to be that appreciative of what her mother was doing for her what her mother
00:46:11
was doing for her kids and what the stepdad was doing for her and what the stepdad was doing for her
00:46:18
kids it's it's crazy and I and I thought too once they made an arrest that one of
00:46:27
the two whether it's Amy or her husband would kind of go well actually I didn't want to do this they put me up to it but
00:46:36
it just none of this makes sense well and one thing that I often have to remind myself of when reviewing these
00:46:45
cases doing the research putting it together the stories it's called psycho for a reason yeah we're not going to
00:46:53
understand some of this we're we're not capable of understanding some of this and that's what separates
00:47:00
us from them so after 8 years Kathy Mike and Barbara Scott and violet Taylor are
00:47:09
finally seeing some justice for what has to be one of the more vicious and brutal
00:47:14
crimes we have covered assuming all of the evidence we have reviewed against Amy and Ross valard is true well then
00:47:23
the two planned the execution of these four people some of whom were Flesh and Blood of Amy
00:47:32
people who were her children's grandparents and great-grandparents the whole point of
00:47:39
the taking of four innocent people's lives was to at once enrich themselves and rid
00:47:46
themselves of the obstacles to their happiness Amy's family the people who allowed her to live on their land and
00:47:54
took care of her children as the prosecutor said Amy seemed to be the driving force behind the evil plot
00:48:01
although she was constantly accusing her mother of being a narcissist Amy is the one who believes
00:48:08
that the world owes her something that she is entitled to what belongs to others she may have gotten away with it
00:48:16
for eight years but she's finally got what was coming to her South Carolina recently resumed executions on
00:48:26
under its capital punishment law and the Supreme Court there recently ruled the executions by firing squad and the
00:48:34
electric chair are on the table so good luck [Music] Amy want to thank everybody for joining
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00:49:30
donate to keeping our girls safe organization we've talked about them before it's a organization that
00:49:38
advocates for educates equips and empowers young women so that they are not victims of violent crime we've
00:49:48
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00:50:08
never have happened but because of the taking of a young woman's life this was Sierra jogen
00:50:15
she went for a bicycle ride in northwest Ohio she was kidnapped less than 500 ft
00:50:22
from her home and it was later learned that she had been murdered by a previous convicted violent offender a man that
00:50:28
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00:50:35
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00:51:14
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00:51:28
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00:51:36
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