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25 year old Chase Engelbert and his 20 year old wife Bailey lived in moorcroft Wyoming but they had traveled to visit
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Bailey's Family in Gering Nebraska for the 4th of July holiday with them was their newborn son Banks
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the family of three stayed with Bailey's grandparents in the 700 block of O Street in Gering
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on Saturday chance played golf with Bailey's father and brother the group drank a bunch of beers and had
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a great time Bailey drove to the course to join them this is because when chance called her
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after the round of golf he was in a great mood by the time she arrived the mood had
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changed apparently there had been some kind of argument and now chance was ready to go home to
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moorcroft Wyoming fast forward to less than 24 hours later at 11 A.M the next morning
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Bailey called the gearing police department and reported Chance missing she told the officer that she had last
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seen her husband at 7 30 p.m that Saturday evening when chance walked away from their car
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that was parked in the driveway a Bailey's grandparents home and he never came back
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this is true crime garage and this is the missing person's case of chance Englebert
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[Music] Bailey reported her husband Chance missing on Sunday morning at 11 A.M this
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is after she spoke to Chance's parents and his friends no one had seen or heard from chance no one had any idea where he
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might be and of course chance was not answering calls or responding to text when Bailey spoke with the gearing PD
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she said the police were not super helpful at first they thought maybe chance was drunk and had just walked off
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maybe he was upset with her or her family is it possible that he just needed a little time and would return
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when he cooled off now we have to explain an argument that seems to have taken place at some point during the
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golf trip after the golf trip sounds to me Captain like everybody's still having
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a good time what a great day we're golfing it's a Saturday having some beers after a round of golf we sit
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down we have a couple more beers and through conversation there's some kind of argument that takes place between
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chance and a member or members of Bailey's Family this is after he's already spoke to his
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wife and she says I'm picking him up because he says he was in a good mood and we had other plans that afternoon
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right when she arrives the mood had changed chances mad Bailey says she doesn't really know exactly what's going
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on at that time but they get in the car and he's saying I want to go home and he
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doesn't mean I want to go home to your grandparents house where we're staying for the weekend I want to go home to our
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home in Wyoming by the time they arrive at the grandparents home chance is reminding her hey I want to go
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home I don't want to go to your family's house Bailey says that she last Saw chance around 7 30 p.m when he is
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walking away from their parked car that is in the driveway of her grandparents home so that was Saturday and will
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continue to flesh out this timeline as we go through the case but as said Bailey reports Chance
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missing at 11 A.M on Sunday morning the police seemed to agree that there's a possibility he's just upset and he
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needs a little bit of time and that he will show up he'll return to them at some point but when chance does not
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Surface by Monday his family was freaking out and so they called the police station begging them to search
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for chance the police took action and began to mobilize search Crews set up an emergency management mobile command unit
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at the YMCA Trails West camp in Scottsbluff Nebraska Searchers were to be on the lookout for the missing man
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described as follows Caucasian about five foot nine inches tall with a medium build he has sunlightened brown hair a
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mustache and goatee and on the day of his disappearance he was wearing a short-sleeved Wrangler shirt Wrangler
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jeans Roper boots but some Reports say he may have been wearing sneakers and a black and white trucker ball cap that
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bad day gearing police captain Jason Rogers confirmed to the Star Herald that authorities were actively searching
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along the North Platte River and railroad property and the paper reported that the Scots Bluff fire department
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dive team members were spotted searching along the North Platte River by mid-afternoon law enforcement and
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emergency Personnel had gathered near the North Platte River Bridge they walked the entire area between the YMCA
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Camp and the bridge this was no longer in gearing but in the Tarrytown neighborhood of Scottsbluff about an
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hour's walk north of the small town where chance had last been seen by his wife now why are they looking there the
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answer is they had found digital evidence that chance might be in this location well this is because law
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enforcement asked local businesses to turn in any surveillance tape that might have an individual on it that could be
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chance yeah it's it's actually a little more broad than that what they're asking
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and this is something that we've seen in pretty common in most of these missing persons cases were where they are asking
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for property owners to search their properties see if they can find anything that is out of the norm but also turn in
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any surveillance camera footage that you have let us review it and let us see if
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we see anything that may be important to our missing person's case and footage of
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chance showed up in Northwest Gehring and Southwest Scottsbluff so let's back up here for just a second captain when
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chance left Bailey's grandparents home he got out of his and Bailey's car again this is at the 700 block of O Street and
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started walking now no one saw him leave no one really knew what direction he was
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walking or where he was going for that matter but these surveillance videos on some local
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establishments showed him walking Northbound on 10th Street a major North South Road in gearing at approximately 7
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40 p.m on Saturday at 7 51 pm he was seen at the intersection of Martha Road and 10th
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Street this is 1.5 miles from o street from where he left Captain Rogers confirmed to the Star Herald that chance
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was spotted on surveillance video walking past two businesses and gearing and an apartment in Tarrytown a part of
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Scott's Bluff which butts Gehring in the northwest corner Rogers also confirmed that chance was walking Northbound on
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10th Street in gearing and turned West onto Martha Road into Tarrytown the last video shows him walking in the area of
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the intersection of Terry Boulevard and stable Club Road in Tarrytown now this is interesting because it
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doesn't make sense to walk all the way up 10th to Martha Road and then turn left to get to stable Club Road 10th
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intersects with stable Club Road South of Martha road so either chance wasn't familiar with this area or he was
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walking without really having any particular destination he's just kind of roaming I guess a couple things those is
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Bailey's statements have been a little conflicting at one point she says that she saw chance walk away from their
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truck heading north and then other times she said that she hadn't seen him leave
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because she was inside trying to pack up some things and with their child stable
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Club Road continues in a northwesterly direction through a residential area and then crosses five Rocks Road whereupon
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it turns into Al Road and proceeds into a somewhat desolate area this is along the North Platte River parallel to the
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railroad tracks just on the Northern side of Scotts Bluff National Monument now to be clear this is not an area
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covered by dense Woods we are talking about the plains here just miles and miles of flat land with few trees and
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many lakes and ponds an overhead view of the area looks like a patchwork quilt with all the squares of farm and pasture
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land punctuated by The Scotts Bluff Monument area which resembles gray rock with very little growth in other words
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it would be very difficult it would be hard for someone to disappear in this area as it is wide open spaces
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but we would later learn that search parties did search this area and of course had no luck finding chance yeah
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they searched them with search parties but also cadaver dogs and scent dogs yes by four days out the search for chance
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was quite massive we have 16 agencies that were involved in the search efforts helicopters provided air support to more
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than 50 ground Searchers a drone was used to image the area from the air tracking dogs were brought in
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I'm not quite sure what if any of the results were regarding the dogs the water to the gearing Central Canal was
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cut off so search crews could get a better look at its depths the Drone operator flew his drone the length of
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the canal starting at five Rocks Road and following it to the river cadaver dogs as the captain said also searched
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the canal between stable Club Road and Woodley Park Road Terry's Lake which chance would have had to have walked by
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was also among the area searched with the cadaver dogs and searches of the North Platte River were done by the fire
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department using watercraft to examine the surface but from my understanding Captain the depths of the river were not
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searched yeah so a couple things that make this even more difficult is he's last seen by his wife at around 7
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00 pm then we have some surveillance footage from a local business that sees him
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around nine and that's his last known whereabout but that's also about the time that his cell
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phone is seems to not be working yes and we do have some cell phone data to discuss here the police confirmed that
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the Nebraska state patrol was consulted to try to obtain chances phones tracking
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information and what they learned dictated what would be the search area right it was originally reported that
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Chance's phone last pinged in the vicinity of alrode just south of the western travel terminal truck stop and
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convenience store this is a busy truck stop but it's not on the Interstate I-80 it's about an
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hour away so again a busy truck stop but not directly on the interstate now when
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this information came out everyone started to think well maybe chance hitched a ride at the truck stop and got
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out of Dodge but no video footage was found of him at the truck stop right and police began to
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suspect that he was never there at all then people focused on the vicinity of Al road which was where they said his
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phone last pinged this is approximately of course Al road is a desolate Road along the banks of the North Platte
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River and the continuation of stable Club Road which makes sense because we already
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talked about the direction that we know he was walking this is on the western side of Five Forks Road alrode follows
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the River West and then crosses the river in a sort of dam this is where Al Road ends but that information would
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change because eventually gearing Police Department said that in actuality the cell phone data was very inexact they
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did not have a specific location for the last ping rather they only had a very general area an arc as the police put it
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in which the phone ping could have originated the ark was fairly large two miles long covering an area encompassing
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Scotts Bluff National Monument property and gearing all the way to West 25th Street in Scottsbluff this is according
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to the police and they went on to say quote because of cell phone technology this is according to police and they
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went on to say quote because of cell phone technology the information did not greatly narrow down the area chance may
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have last used his cell phone rather the phone had been used in an area two to three miles south to South East toward
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Gehring and toward tarrington well again the events of the day that he went missing his wife sees him walk away
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about 7 PM he's seen again on surveillance around nine but there was a pretty severe storm that night so I
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think that's also what led them we know he was roughly in this area by this water well at that point that River
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would have been pretty running pretty high and pretty rough yes and this cell phone
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information evidence if you will is quite confusing because we're told that his phone pinged off of a Tower located
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near Riverview Golf Course Northwest of Scottsbluff this is around 10 p.m on Saturday but we should note here that
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the police have since backed off of this time they now seem to believe that the phone was shut off or turned off itself
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shortly after his last text communication which was around 9 15 PM the last time Chance's phone was used
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had been shortly after 9 pm so what was chance doing since he left his in-laws house at 7 30 p.m what makes you
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wondered too because this is not this is not chances Hometown this is his wife's Hometown
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he's heading north we we know that the evidence kind of points towards that he had some communication with his friends
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and family and he told them he was heading north so at least he had some kind of sense of
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direction but bayley said at some point when she was talking to chance that he said that
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he was heading south and maybe maybe he was just confused at that time or maybe she misheard him of course police
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confirmed early on that chance had not returned to his home in moorcroft Wyoming authorities were conducting
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their own searches and friends and family of chances drove in from Wyoming and South Dakota to help look for him
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but their efforts sadly were in vain the search has turned up no sign of chance no sign of his personal items and no
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sign of his clothing or his cell phone after several days the family raised a reward which eventually grew to ten
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thousand dollars Chance's mom Dawn his brothers and Bailey and Baby Banks spoke to the media
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and implored the public to relay any information Don said that chance went for a walk for
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a few hours to clear his head but he would never have stayed away from his baby boy this long they say that this is
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not like him she said he was a family man he worked hard he was responsible he paid the bills yeah
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it's not uncommon for people to get in an argument maybe he wasn't in an argument with Bailey that night but he
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was definitely an argument and upset about something so hey I'm going to clear my head
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that's pretty normal I would think maybe not showing up the next morning a little abnormal but on top of that
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chance was recently laid off at his job I believe there was 600 people at a mining company that was they're laid off
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at their job but he got a new job that he was supposed to start on that Monday at a propane company so this is a
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significant moment when he doesn't show up to that job on Monday morning that that's that's a that's a pretty big red
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flag that there's something wrong well how about we dive into their lives a little bit before The Disappearance here
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Captain yeah chance was born on December 3rd 1993 his parents are Everett and Dawn Engelbert he has two younger
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brothers miles and clay and the family is very close but there seems to have been some turmoil leading up to his
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disappearance and we'll get into that but let's stick with happier times for now chance was particularly close with
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his brothers according to his family these relationships that Chance's family says look there's no way this guy is is
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just walking off and leaving this life behind him his family Echoes what others are saying as well that he was very
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responsible and would not walk out on his son on his obligations leaving bayley and Banks high and dry now chance
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was raised in Edgemont in South Dakota and calling him a Horseman is well it's an understatement
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you can see Rodeo footage of him online riding bucking Broncos he competed in rodeos while in high school he
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eventually earned a scholarship to a community college in Cheyenne Wyoming for rodeo riding he attended the school
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from 2012 to 2016 earning degrees and welding and diesel mechanics he rode bareback horses and Bulls for the
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college Rodeo team now his hobby outside of work and riding was Demolition Derby
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he and his brothers love to work on cars and such and then trash them in adrenaline-filled competitions as said
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he's a trained welder chance got a job at a coal mine in Gillette Wyoming in 2017. this goes to show that he is
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responsible he had worked there since 2017 leading up to his disappearance and late 2017
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this is when he meets Bailey and the two had a quick courtship and an engagement
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before tying the knot in late 2018. they had a baby six months later this is Banks Bailey was only 20 years
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old when chance went missing so she's quite young he's 25. the couple moved to moorcroft Wyoming a
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few months earlier and had just bought a new house chance continued working for the mine
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just before he went missing as the captain said this is a week before he goes missing right he gets this bad news
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he is one of 580 workers abruptly laid off when black Jewel LLC closed two coal mines without notice they didn't they
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didn't give anybody any real notice here this is oh that's nice of them yeah well
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this is because they filed for bankruptcy which was denied on July 1st so they intended to continue the
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business and keep the employees however the motion was denied well chance was a young guy like he said he's 25 years old
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handsome kid he kind of reminds me of rip from Yellowstone we'll post pictures of chance and and Bailey and their their
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kid on our social medias you can find all those Links at True Crime garage.com and as the captain pointed out the
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family was shocked you know they're not shocked that he took off walking huff and puff when he's angry but they were
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shocked when he didn't show up to start that new job at blakeman propane in moorcroft on Monday July 8th well my
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first question when I was reading this was we we know what he was wearing we have a very pretty good description
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from Bailey of what he was wearing she even says it's like a grayish purple Wrangler shirt she knew what regular
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jeans he was wearing so when there's conflicting stories of whether he's wearing boots or tennis shoes funny to
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me because she's saying well he's wearing this this this and then when you see him on that surveillance footage you
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can kind of pick out those items uh that he's wearing this is not golf attire but
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there's pictures of him I don't think it's of that day but it's other times of him golfing and that's what he wore
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golfing a Wrangler shirt a Wrangler button-up shirt Wrangler jeans boots and a trucker hat well everybody golfs in
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different attire if the course will allow you Jim McMahon golf's Barefoot so there you go I got off naked we need to
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point out here too if if it was missed by anybody out there that by this point chance and Bailey if you go back before
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the marriage they had been together for nearly two years at this point when he disappeared and she is describing him as
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a supportive husband he's the breadwinner he's taking care of her and now their small family yeah Bailey
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currently wasn't working others paint a less Rosy picture of the situation Chance's buddy DJ told
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um the vanish podcast that Bailey and chance lived with him for short period of time he said that Bailey
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and chance would argue quite a bit about stupid stuff is what he called it like she thought he was talking to his mother
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too much or she would accuse him of doing stuff the DJ says he simply wasn't doing and Chance's family agrees with
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this with this statement it sounds to me Captain like Bailey was a little difficult with chance from
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these different stories that we're hearing now of course with Chance missing unfortunately he never showed up
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at his new workplace on July 8th according to everyone this was a very very bad sign many of them had been
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holding out hope that chance had for whatever reason walked off and somehow made his way home
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and would show up to work on Monday they said he simply was not that type of guy
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to miss work [Music] already [Music] all right we are back to the windows to the walls cheers everybody cheers
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captain now by the 12th of July keep in mind chance is missing for six days by this point the police said that they had
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covered a lot of ground in the search for him and struck out and we've had several police and fire agencies
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including the Nebraska state patrol involved in the searches for chance these searches were primarily in
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Northwest Terrytown and Southwest Scottsbluff ground searches covered everything from the rivers Banks Canyons
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under bridges abandoned trailers and even the Interiors of older cars at a local auto dealer select portions of the
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national park were scoured including some Badland areas the state patrol helicopter scanned over 100 miles of
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ground the Nebraska state patrol air link unit covered 280 miles in total sonar and canine were used to search 10
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lakes and ponds investigators also canvassed neighborhoods in Tarrytown going door to door in all
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2400 Acres had been searched now per knop News 2 the gearing police chief said quote we
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are going to be transitioning from an actively searching phase to a phase focusing more on the investigation doing
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more with cell phones interviews with family co-workers and other people in the lives of chance Englebert end quote
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so Captain they are going to figure out if something else happened to chance and
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really hone in on that at this point so as we continue to dig through Chance's life his family his Social
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Circles and the events before and after he went missing keep in mind that we are
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really dealing with only a handful of possibilities here one chance walked off to start a new life
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never contacting anyone two chance took off walking because he was pissed off and got lost or injured and passed away
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somewhere out there three Bailey and or her family knows more about what happened but aren't
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talking maybe they are responsible or know who is and four someone or someone's got to chance while he was out
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walking and did away with him bro when he took off walking and wasn't like he had zero contact with anybody he made
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contact with his best friend Matt Miller talked to him and was trying to get a ride back home then Matt Miller contacts
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chances family and they were trying to get a hold of him and and had some communication with him before the cell
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phone was turned off or went dead and as far as this phase in the investigation goes Captain we know how this goes we've
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seen it before law enforcement will review chances life his Social Circles and of course his finances police
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confirmed that his bank card had not been used and later verified that there was never any unusual activity on
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Chance's Financial accounts and police also began to investigate Rumors in more outlandish theories one of these was
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that Bailey's family was involved in Chance's disappearance as it was reported that a family friend had just
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poured concrete at a property that they owned now that theory was quickly debunked gearing PD officer Sean West
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said quote in such cases there are often rumors that circulate in the community but he said that actually police had no
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evidence whatsoever that chance was the victim of Foul Play Chance's mother Dawn
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disagrees saying that she felt that someone knows something about what happened to her son well they've asked
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the lead investigator Brian Eads about with the possibility the chance to meet with Foul Play and he said look we we're
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going to investigate it as such there's no evidence that says that he did but there's no evidence that says that he
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didn't one of the Avenues police went down in their investigation is one that they have tried to downplay probably to
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protect the family and avoid contributing to rumor and gossip but the police chief said that if chance did run
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away he would not face any criminal charges quote there's no repercussions if that's what happened and chance
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needed a break to decompress whatever there is no criminal charges he has not committed a crime end quote
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at this point in our timeline though roughly six days into his disappearance Chance's mother issues a statement about
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concerns that chance may have gone missing on purpose and then Baby Banks posted the following on Facebook here's
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what happened according to Banks who is actually Bailey of course says hi my name is Banks chance
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Englebert my dad went missing on July 6 2019. my daddy had a couple of rough weeks he was laid off at the mine though
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he had a new job starting the next Monday on Saturday July 6 he was golfing with
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some family members at the Bay Yard Golf Course Daddy got upset about a remark made about his job and he was one of
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hundreds laid off from the mine providing for Mom and I was important to him and I think his pride was at stake
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Daddy called Mom Bailey to get him at the golf course when we got back to my great grandparents house mommy and I
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went in to pack our stuff because daddy wanted to go back home to moorcroft daddy didn't come inside but took off
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walking around 7 20. daddy talked to Mom a couple of times on the phone from phone records we know Daddy called
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a couple of friends we were told he asked one to come get him he was going to Torrington but
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friend said he was unable to he had two unanswered calls from his mom that is the extent of his phone records
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before his phone was shut off he was spotted on camera at 7 48 by weathercraft Roofing in gearing Nebraska
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daddy maybe was on a ring camera at 801 by Terry Boulevard in Tarrytown Nebraska
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this is debatable at 908 he sent a weird text to his aunt Katie and about 9 15 his phone was shut
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off again no times are approximate that was the last text this is the last time daddy was heard from where are you daddy
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did you just walk away from me and Mom I don't think so did somebody pick you up
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we don't know did you run into some trouble I wish we knew does somebody know something I'm sure of it wherever
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you are Danny mom and I want you home there are so many people that love you wow that's a smart baby but let's start
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off with this golfing event there's some speculation that this event never even happened but I'd like to know more
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details about the argument what was said it seems like it was something pretty simple that his new job wasn't going to
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pay as much as his old job but it seems like a weird comment to blow up about that may
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be and a lot of that sounds to be at least what we're being told right because we don't know the exact argument
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how it went down and and who was all involved now according to Bailey we do have a a pretty lengthy statement that I
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can give here from Bailey this is what she told uh the vanished and it has more details about
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according to her at least the mood that chance was in during that time frame and again this is quoting from the
00:35:35
vanish that says we were just we were just down visiting our family and the guys all decided that they wanted to go
00:35:42
golfing so him my brother-in-law and my dad they went down to Bear Golf Course and drank a lot and golfed a lot and I
00:35:51
don't know had fun he called me and we were supposed to meet some friends for dinner that night
00:35:57
and he was in a super good mood so I drove out there to the golf course I got the baby out of the car and I
00:36:05
started walking over to where everyone was sitting and he stood up being chance he being chance he stood up and said get
00:36:13
the [ __ ] back in the car we're leaving so I thought that was really weird so I
00:36:19
was kind of looking at everyone and they were looking at me and everyone is just
00:36:24
super confused we left and I canceled plans with my friends and he had misunderstood something that somebody
00:36:31
had said about the Mind shutting down because in Nebraska the minimum wage I mean it's hard to make really good money
00:36:39
in Nebraska even if you're super skilled you're not going to be paid worth of [ __ ] compared to what you are in Wyoming
00:36:46
and so they made a comment about at least he wasn't making minimum wage by Nebraska standards he was making good
00:36:55
money and he would just and he just took it the wrong way so he was upset about that and he really wanted to go home and
00:37:04
he had been drinking just enough that there was no talking any sort of sense into him so I just kind of went with it
00:37:11
and I was like okay cool we'll go home so I drove to my grandparents in Gering Nebraska where we had been staying and I
00:37:21
went in to pack my bag we pulled into the driveway and he said no I said I wanted to go home and I was like yeah
00:37:29
just hold on I'm gonna go grab our bags and we'll leave well he took off walking and I ran the
00:37:36
baby inside and handed him to my grandma and ran back outside and I started driving around looking for him yeah the
00:37:44
podcast the vanish Marissa Jones she she does really good work so if you're into
00:37:48
missing person cases make sure you check out her podcast Bailey said that chance
00:37:53
had a temper and when they argued in the past he would leave and he would go to the shop to work on his demo derby cars
00:38:01
and have a beer obviously in this situation captain he's quite a ways away from going and
00:38:06
working on cars and having a beer yeah but he he was determined to get back there she said he was the type to get
00:38:13
pissed off but then get over it and he was not the type to Harbor resentment chances friends agree with this
00:38:20
statement but they all agree it was also totally out of character for him not to come
00:38:26
back now Bailey was eager and I this is one thing that we've seen continually in the
00:38:33
course of this case and over the couple of years since he has gone missing Bailey has dismissed media reports that
00:38:41
it was actually her that chance was mad at you know she has said time and time again the argument was not between her
00:38:49
and chance that this whatever happened went down at the golf course and it sounds to me like it went down in
00:38:56
a relatively short period of time because everything's going good and I I think it's key to point out here that
00:39:04
Bailey is saying I went to pick him up because he called me he was in such a good mood
00:39:10
that implies to me that the plan was not for her to pick him up that he would just return with the guys after they
00:39:17
were done golfing but those plans changed when he calls and they decide you know what Bailey's going to go pick
00:39:24
him up it's roughly about a 20 minute drive ish from the grandparents house to the golf course right so assuming that
00:39:34
she receives that call while she's at the grandparents house within 20 minutes that that mood changes from super good
00:39:41
mood to hey get the [ __ ] back in the car we're leaving this is what's difficult
00:39:45
too is we don't know what was said or maybe what he thought was implied by a comment and it seems to me hey look get
00:39:55
back in the car we're leaving I'm done with this [ __ ] he this guy has a lot on his plate
00:40:01
anyways I mean he just lost a career job now he needs to find another job because
00:40:07
he needs to support his family or he wishes to support his family he might have left out some details when he
00:40:14
talked to Bailey because maybe there's something that was said that would also offend her and he didn't want to bring
00:40:20
her into the argument it's not out of line to think that maybe Bailey was like Hey look calm down they probably didn't
00:40:28
mean that maybe he misunderstood them everybody knows how it is when you're a little mad and we could assume at this
00:40:35
point he's a little drunk or a little intoxicated and when somebody tells you hey what why
00:40:41
don't you just chill out or why aren't you calm down for whatever reason that always for me anyways is
00:40:49
gasoline on the fire oh you want me to chill out now I'm gonna get even more mad so
00:40:55
maybe his walking away from the situation was I already got an argument with her family I don't want to get in
00:41:02
an argument with her right and I I'm not gonna lie man I have a difficult time believing that there was no argument
00:41:07
between chance and Bailey inside the car she says that there wasn't and that she that
00:41:14
he wasn't mad at her I can believe that he wasn't mad at her but I have a hard time believing that a 20-minute Drive
00:41:20
there's not some words exchanged and maybe by the end of the drive yes he wasn't mad at her at the start of the
00:41:27
drive but probably just mad at the whole situation by the time they get to her grandparents house right and again if
00:41:34
she's saying to him hey I think maybe you misunderstood in a sense you're going hey you're sticking up for them so
00:41:40
yeah I could see him being pretty snarky towards her by the end of that drive and
00:41:45
I want to throw something else out there too you know we we mentioned some conflicting stories and I'll give some
00:41:50
opinions on that here in just a second but that that statement is important to read from the vanish podcast because I
00:41:59
believe that interview was just about four months or so after he went missing but then we have an interview with
00:42:06
Dateline where Bailey tells Dateline and this is a quick quote he gets mad he'll
00:42:11
walk to cool down but I didn't think he'd go far he just kept walking until I couldn't see him I didn't think he was
00:42:19
serious end quote so that that seems to imply a different scenario right right when when you hear the one statement to
00:42:26
the vanish podcast of oh you know I went inside he said he wanted to leave I went
00:42:32
inside told him I'm gonna grab our things and we'll go and then later her statement to Dateline is well he just
00:42:39
kept walking until I couldn't see him anymore and that that's my first issue my first issue is the one statement
00:42:48
makes it sound like you're in the house when he leaves the next statement makes it sound like you are watching him walk
00:42:54
away one statement makes it seem like there was no argument and he wasn't mad at you the other one when you're
00:43:01
watching him walk away seems like it's implied that he's also upset with you so it's uh you know she's been getting a
00:43:11
lot of grief lately because she hasn't been doing interviews and you know look when you're
00:43:18
husband goes missing and there's argument with your family people are going to question your demeanor they're
00:43:25
going to question the details of your words well and therein lies the problem with this case if if Bailey and her
00:43:32
family's being 100 percent authentic and honest then there's no concerns to be had but you question all
00:43:41
of that and you don't know we don't because we don't know these individuals we don't know her family
00:43:46
it's hard for us to sit here and go okay well that Rings true to me and let's just roll with that something else
00:43:53
happened to this guy now I do want to point out something here too that I think must be said in Bailey's defense
00:43:59
in regard to these two interviews where what she says it seemingly paints a different picture
00:44:07
to be clear on my opinion of of her two statements yes it's possible that this is two conflicting statements however
00:44:18
I also believe that there is a possibility that these statements are completely truthful
00:44:24
they're just lacking detail to connect the two stories right you know it could be something as simple as yes she she
00:44:33
left out a couple details in one version and a couple details in the other version but there's also a possibility
00:44:39
that both are not completely True full and maybe she's sugar coding the situation maybe there were some other
00:44:48
words that were exchanged you know I could see a scenario where they're arguing in the car on the
00:44:56
way back and she says no we're staying he says we're going home to morecroft she says no we're staying we're just
00:45:04
staying one more night and we'll leave tomorrow and this is when it comes to push and
00:45:09
pull here who's in charge and we've all seen this we've witnessed it as children
00:45:14
with our parents I've experienced it as an adult as well there's no really clear
00:45:19
definition of who is in charge in these situations when Mom wants one thing and dad wants the other and so do we have a
00:45:26
situation where he says we're going home she says no we're staying another night
00:45:32
we'll leave in the morning get over it grow up She takes the keys and the baby inside and now he's left in the car or
00:45:41
left standing in the driveway with two options I can either tip my hat and ride walk on out of this [ __ ] or I can go in
00:45:51
to the grandparents house where I said I wasn't going where I said I was not returning to well Colonel you have a
00:45:57
foul filthy mouth is what you have on you let me throw another wrinkle into the story
00:46:03
originally they were supposed to go out on a couple's weekend with Chance's friend Matt and his girlfriend they're
00:46:10
going to go to a cabin and South Dakota and go catfishing at the last minute chance caught up Matt and said hey now
00:46:18
we're going to Bailey's family's house and even we should point out too even if the argument did turn to
00:46:24
him against her and her against him that doesn't necessarily mean that Bailey did
00:46:31
anything nefarious or her family has there's still a very plausible situation that he storms off and the old huff and
00:46:40
puff and something bad happened to him be it the elements or be something else you know some kind of run in with
00:46:49
trouble uh when he's attempting to make it back to his home in in moorcroft what I do
00:46:56
see here though that is very clear to me with the phone calls that he makes with
00:47:01
his actions I don't know if this is a situation where he's going to get over it that he's going to cool off after an
00:47:08
hour you know like he would when if they were home this seems to me like he's he's make he's making his stand this is
00:47:15
his Hill that he's willing to die on and he's going to go you know what I'm going
00:47:19
to find my own way back home and when she is done with her family she'll come home and I'll already be here and we
00:47:27
should also point out too something that's very obvious in this situation but it seems to be kind of kind of like
00:47:34
brushed over a little bit like it's always mentioned in different in some of the articles I shouldn't say all the
00:47:40
Articles it's always mentioned in some of the Articles and as always mentioned in some of the the the news and media
00:47:47
media coverage but it's always kind of glossed over Chance's family and Bailey's Family did
00:47:55
not get along nope they were not like a united front of you know what what some people are what some people experience
00:48:04
where when you marry into a family be it the the husband or wife or what have you
00:48:10
you then become part of that family no this was this was the Bailey camp and chances Camp the other thing too that's
00:48:19
weird going on here even though chance was very close with his family and we know that even by some of the statements
00:48:25
of the friends that Bailey would get on to him about talking to his mother too much even though he seems to be very
00:48:31
close with his family it doesn't seem like he was close or getting along with his family at the time that he went
00:48:36
missing right so there's a lot of stuff going on in these two young people's lives he's 25 she's 20. they got a new
00:48:46
house new baby he's been laid off he's getting starting a new job and it sounds like like she was getting ready to start
00:48:54
some type of schooling at this time too now according to Bailey her and some of her family went looking
00:49:02
for a chance that night and as we said that night and the next morning they are calling chance and everyone they know to
00:49:09
try to locate him or someone who has seen him or spoke to him then they report him missing to police
00:49:17
now the family has given Bailey's family has given some more information about the timeline Bailey last spoke with
00:49:25
chance on the phone at 7 46 pm on Saturday night after he walked off according to her he told her he was
00:49:34
walking South the captain pointed this out earlier heading toward Kimball as we know he was actually walking north and
00:49:42
west instead he apparently did not want Bailey to find him or he's already lost at this point yeah or
00:49:51
he misspoke or she misheard him chance was on the phone for the next hour approximately calling people asking for
00:49:58
a ride he said he was walking to Torrington Wyoming this would be about a 35 mile walk
00:50:06
I don't know about you Captain but I'm not in the business of conducting many 35-mile walks well once I do a round of
00:50:14
golf I like to pound a bunch of beers and then get about a 40 mile walk in getting some verbal altercations and and
00:50:21
walk a good 35 miles I do want to pause for a second because we talked about the
00:50:28
tension within the family I I just want to talk about that for just a second because one
00:50:34
from what I've Been Told when they got together because she was she was younger than he was the the what
00:50:42
I was told is that she initially lied to chance about her age then they start the relationship
00:50:50
there's conflicts right away she doesn't like his family again I don't like any relationship
00:50:57
well look we've seen this in many cases it's a tactic of abusers to separate their partner from their family
00:51:08
and it doesn't matter if it's the wife doing to the husband or the husband doing it to the wife I I don't like
00:51:15
those situations I think your spouse if if you have good family members that love you and care about you your partner
00:51:23
should always be supportive of you having a great relationship doesn't mean that
00:51:30
that though you know doesn't mean that you have to have a great relationship with them but you
00:51:36
should be supportive of your partner having a good relationship with their family
00:51:41
when they got married she made a big fuss and there was a big blow up because she didn't want his family there
00:51:52
now I just think that's pretty ridiculous and but again I think some of this Ridiculousness is coming
00:51:59
because of their age and their maturity or lack thereof and but again you're commenting on situations with them we we
00:52:08
just don't know we can't claim to fully understand I I get it that she didn't want his
00:52:14
family there but who's to say he didn't want her family there right um this these are details we just don't
00:52:21
know and we could you could look at this through two different lenses one that maybe
00:52:27
suggests that she is trying to separate him from his family but there's also the
00:52:33
other version where he seems to whatever have reason for whatever reasons not be
00:52:39
close with his family leading up to his disappearance and that may have nothing to do with Bailey I I don't believe that
00:52:45
it has nothing to do with Bailey but I but there's a chance that it has very little to do with her and maybe more so
00:52:51
with the Dynamics of the relationship that he has with his parents and and brothers at the time yeah good point and
00:52:58
as the captain pointed out one of the friends that chance called that night was Matt Miller Matt was Chance's best
00:53:04
man at his wedding Matt gave an interview that was informative he says that chance called him that
00:53:13
night and Matt was in Gillette Wyoming at the time and chance told him that he had gotten into a fight with his in-laws
00:53:21
and he was walking down the road toward Torrington and needed a ride home Matt says that chance did not sound drunk or
00:53:30
disoriented but he did sound angry Matt says he had been drinking all day and could not go to pick up chance right but
00:53:39
told chance that he would make some calls then he calls Dawn which is Chance's mother and she said she was
00:53:46
going to call Chance's Uncle John and John was going to go get him so then Matt the friend tries to call Chance
00:53:55
back to let him know hey your uncle John is going to come out and get you right but now he's getting no answer when he's
00:54:02
calling chance this to me seems to be the Line in the Sand in our timeline here Captain where we know and I think
00:54:12
for a very good reason one we know chance reached out to this person for help he seems determined to
00:54:20
get out of the area he calls his buddy for help it seems to me of all the calls I
00:54:28
believe that there are people and chances life at this time at the day that he went missing that if they called
00:54:34
his phone or text him he may not respond to right but not Matt when Matt is calling him back he is going to answer
00:54:42
if he is able to he will answer that call because he has asked Matt for a ride Matt his
00:54:50
best man tells him I can't pick you up but I will find someone to do so so this is a call that
00:54:56
really kind of kind of scares me kind of shakes me here when I think of what is going on
00:55:02
and what could have happened to to chance it seems to me like some whatever went down
00:55:09
it started to get bad between the time he gets off the phone with Matt and the time that Matt is trying to get
00:55:16
a hold of chance later to let him know hey your uncle John is is going to come and try to pick you up but again like we
00:55:22
said Chance had been drinking I look I'm not saying Matt's a liar by any means I think uh the interviews that Matt has
00:55:32
done is you know I applaud him for taking the time and to try to share his thoughts on
00:55:41
on this case he seems to show that he very much cares about his missing friend and just wants answers
00:55:50
just like the so many people in this case um I'd go as far as to say I like the cut of man's gym but I agree with you
00:55:59
when Matt he reaches out to Matt when Matt reaches back out he doesn't answer now I don't think he
00:56:07
didn't answer because he didn't want to I think at that point he's probably not capable or the phone is dead yes phone
00:56:13
is dead you know there is some speculation on whether the phone got shut off or not I don't think Chance is
00:56:20
going to reach out for help and then turn his phone off that doesn't make any sense but but back to what I was saying
00:56:28
is when he says well chance didn't sound drunk look your perceptions of things are
00:56:35
impaired if you've been drinking all day so and I would like to know just how long that conversation was it doesn't
00:56:42
seem like it was that long of a conversation so if somebody's mad maybe that mask the little bit of intoxication
00:56:49
because that footage that you see where he takes that 90 degree turn you know what video I'm talking about
00:56:56
because that video is how they kind of conducted their search it's the last known sighting of chance
00:57:05
when he turns his body on a 90 degree angle he then has to like reset his balance he
00:57:13
almost like when he the first initial step to me he looks that like he lost his balance almost I
00:57:21
had a State Trooper look at that video Never didn't tell him that the person was missing didn't tell the per didn't
00:57:27
tell the state trooper that this guy had been drinking at all and he would just all he said to me is
00:57:33
if I was doing a sobriety test and somebody made a movement like that that that would you know be a big Point
00:57:43
against them so I think in that video it's hard to tell I mean you can see him walk for
00:57:50
a decent amount of distance but to me he still seems intoxicated well and that certainly will play into the
00:57:57
possibilities of what could have happened to chance because you know we have everybody including Matt that is
00:58:03
telling us look you know this guy was into hunting he's an Outdoorsman he's a rodeo rider you have to be pretty damn
00:58:09
physically fit to ride in the rodeo and he says that you know I don't think that
00:58:16
he would have fallen into the river because he was sure-footed because he was an Outdoorsman but again you factor
00:58:23
in the possibility that he was intoxicated and then later the bad weather that's going to come in to the
00:58:29
area I think you have to leave that as a as a possibility here in this situation
00:58:36
now Chance's mother told the story from her perspective saying that on Saturday afternoon July 6 the day he went missing
00:58:43
Chance's dad Everett text chance to tell him that there was a package at their house for him and chance responds saying
00:58:51
that they would be back in town on Sunday as he was starting a new job on Monday now we know that Matt Miller says
00:58:58
he receives the call from chance and tells chance hey I'm going to try to get or tells us anyway that he is going to
00:59:06
try to get in touch with Chance's family to see if he can get somebody to go pick
00:59:10
him up because hey I've been drinking all day say this destination is several hours away I can't go get my friend well
00:59:20
Dawn when she tells us what happened that night she says yes she received the call from from Matt
00:59:29
and tells Matt yeah we'll reach out to him I guess but I'm not sure if he'll want to talk to us
00:59:35
meaning chance may not want to talk to us this is his mother saying that but either his uncle or somebody will reach
00:59:40
out and try to get to him so this to me means that there was some kind of tension or bad blood going on within
00:59:48
chance and his family because his mother's own words are I'm not sure that he would want to talk to us and so she
00:59:57
had the uncle and his aunt all text him and call him to see about picking him up and then she says you
01:00:06
know he wouldn't answer any calls or texts from from the family now if that was his by
01:00:14
choosing that's one thing we simply don't know or if he was unable to for any number of reasons that's a
01:00:21
possibility as well do we know what the interaction was between Chance's family that night and Bailey's
01:00:29
yes and there was interaction between them which I mean could be surprising to some at this point given the
01:00:36
difficulties in that relationship but we do know that Dawn and Everett tried to call and text
01:00:42
their son when they get no response they then called his friend and neighbor this
01:00:48
guy's name is Larry Larry calls Bailey because you know he's her neighbor as well so he has in her information
01:00:56
then Bailey calls Chance's parents and so we know there was some interaction between Bailey and Chance's
01:01:04
parents that night she tells them that they were looking for chance but she also told them that
01:01:11
you know he walked away on his own and she expected him back after he cooled down
01:01:16
then she calls back around 11 pm to tell Chance his parents that they had given up looking for him because there was a
01:01:24
bad storm in the area the next morning Bailey calls the engelberts again this time she wants
01:01:32
to know had they heard from him she told them that she was going to file a missing persons report and of course
01:01:39
no they had not heard from him that night they talked again this is now Sunday night and Bailey was crying and
01:01:45
said quote I just know he's coming home in a body bag end quote that's according
01:01:51
to Dawn according to Chance's mother red flag chance his parents then drive to Gering to help search for their son
01:02:00
Chance's mother Dawn says that just a little more than 48 hours after Bailey reported Chance missing to police
01:02:07
Bailey was asking the police for a death certificate and Captain Rogers with the GPD just kind of looked at her
01:02:17
he was surprised and he said Bailey we don't work with that kind of stuff he goes on to say in my heart I still feel
01:02:24
we're going to find him I'm treating this like my brother's lost and we're going to do everything we can to find
01:02:31
him now Bailey is pretty young so overreacting to a strange and stressful situation might be expected
01:02:40
but mentioning body bags and death certificates within days of chance going missing major red flags here Captain
01:02:47
yeah and you know Brian Eads the lead investigator questioned her about this and basically what he thought was Bailey
01:02:56
was not working at the time so maybe somebody suggested to her hey uh declare him dead get a death certificate and
01:03:04
then you would get insurance and um you could get Social Security benefits or something to that degree it's very
01:03:15
strange that you're asking for that right away it's almost like you know that he's not coming back
01:03:22
it's almost like you know that nobody's going to find him um and then Brian needs also said when she
01:03:30
asked for that that's a huge red flag uh but in her defense Brian needs has also said that she's been very
01:03:40
Cooperative with law enforcement uh very respectful to him but look we've seen this time and time again sometimes
01:03:49
investigators or journalists or whoever they uh they get one pulled right over their eyes because somebody is treated
01:03:57
in them nice or with respect and just kind of filling out the timeline for that night here Captain chances Aunt
01:04:04
Katie a family friend not a blood relative but she's referred to as Aunt Katie text Chance
01:04:10
and chance did did text her back this was at 908 p.m now Chance's text said and bear with me because this is a
01:04:21
little weird I'm going to try to describe it the best I can his text to his aunt says I'm and then
01:04:30
it has no emotion yellow face emoji capital i b d e space capital s e r r really and then
01:04:42
capital G so the end of that text is capital s e r and then the word really attached to those letters
01:04:52
followed by a capital G that's the text I'm yellow face emoji some strange letters
01:05:00
really G and that's it yeah it's supposed to be like a smiley face but instead of a smile it's a straight
01:05:09
lip you know straight mouth the Emoji yeah so she responds to this text saying you are what are you okay and she
01:05:19
receives no answer I think the Emoji is supposed to represent uh like annoyed I'm annoyed and then like you said i b d
01:05:30
e s e r e a l l y g again I I should be able to find an image that I could share
01:05:40
on our social media so you can see it but I mean the no Emoji or the no emotion yellow face emoji just like the
01:05:51
bizarre letters that follow may not have been intended to be part of the text at all it's really difficult to
01:05:59
say to to make heads or tails of this text and we know that the ant responds immediately back and then she receives
01:06:08
no answer you [Music] so much more case to dive into join us back here in the garage and until next
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time be good be kind and don't listen [Music] [Applause] thank you [Music]