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let's talk some true crime [Music] where we left off yesterday Captain Lori valo has upped and moved with her two
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children Tyler Ryan and J.J valo to Rexburg Idaho now on September 24th remember she calls
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her son's school his new school to say that her son will be moving or staying at least in the state of Louisiana until
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October 29th may be longer so JJ will no longer be attending Kennedy Elementary and will be homeschooled instead on the
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1st of October Lori rents a 10 by 10 storage unit the following day Brandon Boudreau this is Lori valo's
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nephew-in-law he is married to Laurie's niece Melanie Brandon says when he came home from work they live in Gilbert
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Arizona he says that when he pulls into his driveway gets out of his vehicle someone
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shot at him he believes that a paintball gun was used to shoot at him he says that he spotted someone driving a green
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Jeep Cherokee that fled from the scene Brandon Boudreau hires a private investigator to get to the bottom of
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what could have happened one thing that is learned in this situation a little quick background here Melanie
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his former wife she is very much of the same beliefs as Lori she has gone along with Lori to
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some of these doomsday events that Lori keeps going to and now we have this incident out front of their home out
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front of Brandon's home where someone takes a shot at this guy his private investigators uncover a whole bunch of
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stuff but one of the most important things that they uncover is that a green Jeep Cherokee that he spotted at the
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scene fleeing the scene was once owned by Charles vallo Lori valo's husband previous husband who was
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killed in July of that same year yeah so now there's multiple people that could have access to that correct on October
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9th Tammy day Bell this is Chad dabel's current wife she calls police this is after a masked man
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attempts to shoot at her in her garage now the way that this story goes Captain this is night time
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it's after dark she's coming home from a trip to the grocery store she pulls in the driveway pulls into the garage
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garage door's still open this man dressed in black wearing a mask runs up to her points a gun at her and pulls the
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trigger several times and nothing happens the man his reaction is to flee the area
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on she reports like she even says to the guy what are you doing she doesn't understand what is going on
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when she tells police what went down she says I think he was trying to shoot me with a
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paintball gun but for some reason it didn't work well that's strange why would you be shooting somebody with
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a paintball gun correct doesn't make any sense but it also goes a little bit along with the story that Brandon
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Boudreau just said took place about a week earlier where he too thought he was shot at with a paintball gun right that
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is on October 9th Tammy dabell Chad's current wife says she was the victim of this random weird assault attempt where
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somebody pointed a paintball gun at her pulled the trigger and nothing happened ten days later
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you know the old expression wake up dead well that's just what happens to Tammy Dabo she's found dead in her home in
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Salem Idaho approximately five miles away from Rexburg Idaho and it's initially ruled that Tammy mind
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you she's just 49 years of age at this time died of undisclosed causes purportedly
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in her sleep Chad dabell her husband declined a postmortem autopsy of course he did and
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the County coroner did not overrule this decision so the death certificate reads that
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Tammy died of natural causes what is wrong with these people what's wrong with law enforcement what's wrong
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with these are the people that are supposed to protect us and they can't see through this
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melange of [ __ ] well the problem with everything going on here is there's no way for law enforcement to
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know that all of these things that are going on all these tragedies all these deaths
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they might somehow be connected law enforcement doesn't know that Chad dabell and Laurie valo have this
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very likely relationship that's going on Undercover but there are some things that are going
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to tip law enforcement off to what might be actually going on here here's an interesting little note here Captain a
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wedding ring was purchased on Amazon using the deceased Charles valos account the ring was purchased for
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35.99 on October 2nd 2019. all right so Charles is dead so that means his wife can get married
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again Chad's wife is now dead so they can get he can get married again and then somebody purchases on Charles account
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through Amazon an engagement ring yeah so wedding ring is purchased on Charles Amazon account wait wait a [ __ ] on that
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guy's grave well and the reason why I'm pointing out this purchase here okay the
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purchase takes place on October 2nd 17 days before Chad dabel's first wife passes away Lori valo paid for the ring
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on her deceased husband's Amazon account the ring was delivered to a ruxburg townhouse where Lori valo was living
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that's really romantic pick out your own ring and buy it well I think that the ring was for Chad oh it was a male I
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guess I shouldn't have assumed I guess right but what I'm pointing out here is we don't have any absolute proof of this
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of what I'm about to say but this to me would make me speculate that this is what is actually going on
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seems to me like Laurie knew that she would be marrying Chad if this ring was in fact for him yeah he was currently
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married at the purchase time of this ring so was she told by Chad hey I'm going to split up with my wife or does
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she know that Tammy's going to mysteriously die in her sleep and then Chad is going to say now we don't need
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an autopsy because in Idaho they don't they won't do an autopsy this is my understanding I could have this
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wrong so this is a state where they will not do the autopsy unless it's requested by
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a family member she doesn't have anybody in our family requesting a autopsy Well
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Chad dabel's the he's the the husband the Father the leader of the family yeah but we all
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we've already determined he's nuts well we've determined that right can't anybody else determine that I mean I'm
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not saying where the where the dumbest guys are but we're definitely not the brightest
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and we've already determined that on October wait hold on what about their kids well these are grown children
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they've been married for 28 years right but can't the grown children they would have to know something about
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their father wouldn't they be able to request this question I the way that it was explained
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to me yes it appears that they could request this but again they would have to be suspicious of something if they're
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not suspicious of anything there's no reason to make that request but on November 5th now mind you this is about
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two weeks after Chad buries his wife Tammy on a little trip to Hawaii Chad day Bell
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and Lori valo get married yep and they're just smiling I'll post a couple pictures of it just
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so you can be angry right right well then we have a couple weeks go by and there's nothing
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really to report well this is all going to change and this story is going to get pretty big
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with this next event that takes place on November 26 2019 when the Rexburg Police
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Department conducts a well-being check on JJ they go to Lori's townhouse to look for
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JJ valo because remember his grandmother and grandfather say the last time we spoke with our grandson
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was way back in August yeah yeah we're trying to get a hold of our grandson mind you they've moved off to Idaho but
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still we've not heard from him yet well guess who's not in the wedding pictures neither one of the kids correct they're
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not in the wedding pictures and you also have a situation where the relatives of
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JJ that are calling police they're not aware that Lori has gone off and got married right
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what this timeline and all of these events they may have sound confusing even we
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try to put them together the best way that we could they are meant to be confusing
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all of these movements and actions put together and orchestrated by Lori valo and Chad dabel are meant to confuse not
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just you the listeners not just the captain in the colonel This was meant to confuse anybody that was supposed to
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care for the people that they were going to harm and hurt the moving around the doing things in
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secret doing things behind closed doors all these lies all of these actions putting people off pushing people away
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keeping their distance so they don't have to answer questions about what happened to my father
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where are these children they just keep ducking people and providing no answers but on top of
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that this is her fifth marriage right I mean there's something off about this woman
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right [Laughter] you got me there Captain all right what we have here is well I'm just to be
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clear I mean marriage is something that you might do once maybe twice maybe three times
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maybe even four times but once you do it five times it's just crossing the line it's unacceptable well
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this where welfare check is a big issue it's a big problem because when the police show up and they say hey we've
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got concerned relatives that want to know where JJ is We Need to Know Where Your Children Are
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should we be concerned well they even though they're told not to be concerned police get
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concerned because of the answers that they're getting from Lori and I'm going to give you the short of it because
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we're going to get into the details of this uh in the second half but the short of it is Lori is kind of cagey about her
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answers right she's dodgy about the questions she says hey you don't have to worry because my daughter Taylee is off
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at BYU and JJ is staying with some friends or relatives back in Arizona called your
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horses I just want to remind the listener about something Taylee is 16 years old
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JJ is seven years old you don't think you'd want them at your wedding and your other excuses
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Taylor is at college is that what she's trying to tell law enforcement correct now law enforcement has no idea about
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the all of the stories we just went through right all they know is that we have relatives calling from another
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state saying this woman moved away with her children and now we haven't heard from our
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grandson in months that's sad so police do not like the answers that they're getting from Lori
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and so what they decide to do is you know what we're going to come back tomorrow with a warrant and we're going
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to search the home from my understanding Lori and Chad do not know that police are intending to
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come back but when police arrive guess what Lori's not there Chad's not there they're gone they picked up and
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abandoned all of their belongings and took off so a once concerned Police Department is
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now extremely concerned they weren't getting the answers that they liked the night before and now these people appear
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to have left the area no it's very fishy let's get back to Alex Cox remember he is Lori's sister
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in November on the 29th of 2019 Alex he got married and this was to a woman from
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Gilbert Arizona they went off to Las Vegas and they got married now we had mentioned earlier Melanie Boudreau
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she was the one who was newly divorced from Brandon Boudreau who he says someone took a shot at me in my driveway
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she marries this guy Ian on November 30th of that same year no it's locked it's a lot to keep track of
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well here's where things get even more interesting for law enforcement anyway on December 11th this is after police
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start piecing things together they're like wait a second something's not right here something's extremely fishy these
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kids are missing these this mother she takes off with her oh [ __ ] new husband they figure out they figure out that she
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marries this guy oh and by the way they figure out that Tammy died of quote unquote natural
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causes less than a month before Chad marries Lori so now police are suspicious of her
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death well and on top of that have they got to the point of looking into Charles's death
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no they have not yet here's what we do have on December 11 2019 authorities decide to further investigate the death
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of Tammy dabell they decide that they're going to exhume her body we need to figure out if she did in fact
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die of natural causes or not the next day December 12th Alex Cox Lori's brother the one who shot her husband in
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self-defense he says Alex Cox dies in Gilbert Arizona there's a 9-1-1 call that is made by the
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son of his new wife okay it's reported that Alex collapsed in the bathroom of the home with his new
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wife his death is later attributed by by autopsy to natural causes and it lists blood clots and high blood pressure part
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of me goes well Karma eventually the universe caught up to you and was able to correct the wrong
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but do you think it was something a little more fishy than that I think something totally caught up to
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Alex Cox I don't know if it was Karma or if it was Lori and Chad because these other Doomsday Preppers or
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these other people that believe and and what they're believing in these these cult-like mentality
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you you see this a lot with these herds of people that believe in the same crazy voodoo
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now like you like we were saying earlier with Chad if you didn't believe what he
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believed you're on the wrong side what are these people willing to do did all the sudden after uh this
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self-defense action by Alex did he start talking bad about Chad did he start questioning what they were
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doing and then now he's he's on the dark side and we gotta get rid of him I think
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where the problem if in fact Lori and or Chad would be responsible for Alex Cox's
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death which was ruled to be natural causes right blood clot or high blood pressure or
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both isn't it a little too convenient though that he has this heart condition and
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dies the day after police announce that they're going to further investigate the
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death of Chad's Wife Tammy yeah okay so the reason why we're going off on this weird thing here oh hold on
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there's another layer of this pie not only are they going to go look into the death of Tammy
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they're looking in harder to where the children are right correct somebody that's probably
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responsible for some of it is Alex so guess who's body just couldn't take it he knows
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The Jig Is Up they're going to get you I think he died from being scared to death it's possible
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and before we get into this next bit Captain I want to make sure that I point this out first because it it's it's a
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the son of a [ __ ] died from being scared to death that's maybe the first time I ever heard
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of somebody actually being scared to death in February of this year this would be February 24th of 2020 and a
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child custody court documents Brandon Boudreau stated that Ian okay so Ian is his ex-wife's new husband
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Brandon states that Ian told law enforcement that Melanie his ex-wife conspired with her uncle Alex Cox Lori's
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brother to kill him okay remember this was the guy that was shot at in his driveway with the
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paintball gun well he spots the vehicle that that looks like Charles valo's old vehicle right okay so here's where we
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need to get into this story Alex Cox all of a sudden becomes the centerpiece for a lot of these weird
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mysterious events that are going on was he the person that took a shot at Brandon in the driveway was he the
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person that tried to shoot Tammy was he the person that was yeah the masked man dressed in black that took a shot at
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Tammy and when your sister is telling you hey by the way I got some money coming to me you kill my husband
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I get a million dollars and what if she's just constantly lying all the money hasn't come in yet and
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this guy thinks the payday has already happened and now I just got to clean up a couple
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other messes for my sister and I'm going to get all this money but Alex Cox is one who totally believes
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all this zombie and Light Spirit dark Spirit [ __ ] he's all wrapped up in that game too
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yeah that's another motive so what we have here is this whole speculation by Tammy who reported that she believes
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someone came up to her with a paintball gun pulled the trigger and nothing happened and then fled
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was she wrong was it a real gun did somebody come up and try to take her life right then and there
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on that day and it failed and then she magically dies of natural causes a week or so later
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[Music] [Music] thank you all right cheers mates cheers cheers to the crispiest so we already
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said in yesterday's episode that Dateline would eventually have an episode on this case called where are
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the children and that would be the biggest question for a very long time eventually that question will morph into
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what happened to the children but I think Captain what we're going to be able to do here is I think we're going
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to be able to answer most of those questions fill in a lot of those blanks and at least put together a
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story that will show you just about what happened here in this situation now where we left off we have two kids
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that are missing police are looking for these two kids and when they go knocking
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on Lori's door the next day boom she's gone as well so now we have to find the parents
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the authorities are left with no answers no clues and they're sitting around trying to piece everything together in
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this whole mixed up jumbled story so on December 20th 2019 the Rexburg Police Department officially announced
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an investigation into the disappearances of Tyler and JJ using cell phone technology
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authorities are able to locate Lori vallo they find out that she is in Kauai and Hawaii they locate both her and Chad
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daybell when they do they serve Lori with a court order requiring her to produce the children within five days or
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they will arrest her five days comes five days goes Lori misses the court order deadline to produce the children
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well yeah she doesn't even show up to court right and what they are able to do the authorities that is they're able to
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determine that Lori and Chad they bought tickets they flew off to Hawaii and they
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did not take the children with them how do they know that there were no airline tickets purchased for the children they
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have camera footage there's no the children aren't seen at the airport or getting onto the airplane right so the
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law allows them to arrest Laurie because she can now be a Char she can now be charged with abandonment of these two
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children that you so astutely pointed out earlier these are not adult children 16 and 7 years old and by this time
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Ty Lee would have had another birthday so she would be 17 at this point okay so what we have here Captain is they are
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notified that these children are missing on November 26th that's when they go knocking on Lori's door then the parents
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disappear Lori and Chad disappear it's not until February 20th of 2020 that Lori valo is arrested in Kauai
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think about how much time that is now let's take it back a step further when is the last known sighting of both
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of these children wasn't that the park well we have the park sighting of Tai Lee which took place in early September
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2019. then we have we know that JJ went to school on Friday the 20th of September
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so it's time Captain for no more mystery here is what law enforcement says to be
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the facts yes of the case put a bow on it law enforcement states that Lori valo moved to Rexburg on or about September
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1st 2019 with Tyler and JJ and her brother Alex Cox Lori valo resided with her children at 565 Pioneer Road Unit
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175. Cox her brother Alex resided in the same complex initially living in the same
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unit as Lori and then moving into his own unit at this would be Unit 107 and the same complex the last verifiable
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sighting of Ty Lee was on September 8 2019 in Yellowstone National Park the last verifiable sighting of JJ was
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September 22nd 2019 in his mother's apartment in Rexburg Indiana this is by Lori's friend Melanie Gibb who we've
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already talked about and her boyfriend David Warwick the police go on to say while the Rexburg police and FBI have
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received many tips of alleged sightings since the beginning of the case none of these tips have led to any verifiable or
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actionable information regarding the health safety or location of the two children in question they go on to say
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on November 26 2019 detectives went to Lori valo's home this is the condo unit number 175 in
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Rexburg Idaho to conduct a welfare check detectives met with Alex Cox and Chad dabell outside of the residence
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Chad acted as if he did not know Lori very well and stated he didn't know her phone number Alex Cox told the
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detectives that JJ was with his grandmother Kay Woodcock in Louisiana which detectives say this is not likely
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to be true due to the fact that K was the individual who first called in a missing child report to the police
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department Alex Cox says that Lori may be in apartment 107. the detectives went to apartment 107 but the apartment was
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completely empty and vacant then detectives saw Chad dabell driving a black Chevy Equinox away from the
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residence detectives stopped Chad and asked him again if he had seen JJ Chad responded that the last time he had
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seen JJ was an apartment 107 in October he also admitted that he knew Lori valo's phone number and provided it to
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the detectives you know how quickly this story changes well and keep in mind this
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man is telling the detectives he does not know Lori but unbeknownst to the detectives at
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this time the two are married right they were married in Hawaii yeah now on the same day the detectives spoke with Lori
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valo in her apartment this was apartment 175. Lori told the detectives that JJ was in
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Gilbert Arizona with her friend named Melanie Gibb they obtained Gibb's phone number from Lori they attempted to call
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Melanie but they were unable to contact or speak with her at that time Lori tells the detectives that Ty Lee
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was attending BYU in Idaho but living there with Lori now because the detectives were unable to contact this
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Melanie Gibb they immediately contacted Lori again after they left the the premises
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and they requested that she that Lori call Melanie and Laurie says you know what I can't call Melanie she's not
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going to answer the phone because her and my son JJ they're at a movie they're out seeing Frozen two yeah cold never
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bothered me anyway so she won't answer her phone by the evening of the 26th they had not heard from Melanie Gibb
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this is when they start to get really suspicious of what's going on and they get the search warrant to come back the
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next day and then Lori and Chad are gone right and Lori and Chad are probably not
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even clued into the idea that law enforcement would have been able to get a search
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warrant that quickly so the way that they get this search warrant that quickly is eventually they do hear from
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Melanie Laurie's friend right and what they hear is not what they want to hear they hear from Melanie hey I've not seen
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JJ he's not staying with me like she told you and I've not seen him in months she actually calls back on December 6th
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and adds some new information that's even more damning to Lori and Chad she tells detectives that Not only was
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JJ not staying with me like Lori told you but that same night when you guys were
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trying to get a hold of me and couldn't get a hold of me I did speak with Lori and I did speak with Chad on two
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separate phone calls Chad was telling me hey the police are going to try to get a hold of you
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they're looking for JJ just don't pick up your phone the other conversation was it Lori told her this is this is
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even more uh even more weird she says if you talk to the police tell them that JJ is staying there with you tell them
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that you were busy you guys were at a movie and could you take some random pictures of children out in public like
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a big group of them from a distance so that we can send those to police and I can tell them hey there's JJ in the
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crowd so this is not looking good for finding the children there's levels of horrible
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people yes but she just keeps getting higher and higher on the list so there's your confirmation
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of whatever happened to these two poor kids it took place before police went looking for them on November 26th yeah
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now we'll get a little more deeper into the details here because remember we said that the last verifiable sighting
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of Ty Lee was in Yellowstone National Park on September 8th 2019. It is believed that Tyler left the
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national park in her uncle Alex's silver Ford F-150 they being law enforcement tracked this trip via GPS cell tower
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connections and Google account information on Alex Cox's phone they know what time Alex Cox and Ty Lee
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and the family left the park they went on to use this technology and they're calling it well it's cellular
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analysis survey team that they got involved with to come up with this information they call it cast for short
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and this is something that the FBI was using helping local law enforcement look for these kids or what happened to these
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kids they analyzed Alex Cox's phone and they were able to provide all kinds of locational information that took
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place that day as well as the next day and it does not look good none of it looks good as far as this technology
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goes Captain this is so Advanced that cast their super highly accurate on placing one's phone what location that
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that phone is they can do it within a matter of about 15 feet meaning that if you are carrying your
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phone in your pocket and you show up at a property let's say this is a large property this technology is so accurate
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they can tell if you are standing inside the house of that property or outside of
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the house on that property can they tell if I have my pants on or not so what's even worse about this situation is when
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they track Alex Cox's phone for the night of September 9th yeah going into the 10th
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here is what they figure out several times in the middle of the night between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m
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Alex's phone is moving from his condo unit to Lori valos condo unit or apartment
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whatever you want to call it where she lives with Ty Lee and JJ law enforcement say that this is significant not only
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because it was in the middle of the night but because it's the only time that he appears his phone appears to go
00:36:46
over to valo's apartment in the middle of the night right between midnight and 6 A.M
00:36:52
okay at 4 37 Alex Cox's phone goes back to his own apartment then the next time that we track his phone
00:37:02
at 9 21 a.m there's a reading for a GPS data point that places his phone behind Chad dabell's home on the east side of
00:37:14
the property which is behind a barn that is owned by the Dave Bell family his phone places him at the day Bell
00:37:23
Residence for the next couple of hours later the FBI who are now examining Tammy dabell's phone you know she since
00:37:35
passed away be it she was murdered or natural causes the FBI found a text conversation
00:37:42
between Tammy and Chad which took place the day after the last known sighting of
00:37:49
Ty Lee and Yellowstone National Park Chad to Tammy at 11 53 a.m wrote well I've had an interesting morning I felt I
00:38:02
should burn all of the limb debris by the fire pit before it got too soaked by the coming storms
00:38:09
while I did so I spotted a big raccoon along the fence I hurried and got my gun and he was still walking along I got
00:38:18
close enough that one shot did the trick he is now in our pet cemetery fun times
00:38:25
then Chad texts Tammy again a few minutes later gonna shower now and then go right for a
00:38:33
while at BYU love you Tammy responds to Chad good for you and then Chad text Tammy again at 2 48 PM
00:38:42
saying I'm back home now what do you think this means this means they probably buried the body
00:38:51
buried Charlie's body behind the barn so I think what happened here is for whatever reason very likely Lori
00:39:03
getting Alex her brother to possibly once again do her dirty work he takes tylie over to Chad's house
00:39:13
while Tammy is gone and what Chad is now doing after the fact this is this is minutes these texts
00:39:22
go to his wife Tammy minutes after Alex's phone leaves his property what does this story do man this this
00:39:32
will explain away any questions that the neighbors might have or that Tammy might
00:39:37
have in advance right I was out here burning wood debris because the storms were going to come oh
00:39:44
while I was out here I spotted a pest a raccoon shot the son of a [ __ ] and oh if the neighbors heard a gunshot by the
00:39:53
way that's because I killed a raccoon and then I buried it so if you see Disturbed ground on our property I
00:40:00
buried it in our pet cemetery and it's not not that bad of a story you know it would seem to make sense
00:40:07
yeah but again if you're burning evidence if you kill someone with a single shot
00:40:14
and you bury them no the question you've just explained away everything yeah my question is was it Chad that shot her
00:40:23
was it Alex because I don't know with Alex it's like I could kind of understand that maybe
00:40:32
you didn't like your brother-in-law or something he had some issues with him but your own niece
00:40:39
regardless what kind of oh [ __ ] are you if we believed all right let's regardless if we believe this fake text
00:40:46
story from Chad to Tammy and we believe what the technology tells us regarding Alex Cox's phone being at
00:40:55
Chad dabel's property then both of them were present for either the killing and burial of this
00:41:02
child and then it gets even worse here Captain because if you are to look at the
00:41:08
evidence and what it points out to us the possibilities it seems very likely that these two children were killed
00:41:16
either by Alex and or Chad and this thing hold this whole thing could have been orchestrated by Lori and
00:41:25
or Chad but it seems like these three knew what the hell was going on and that these two
00:41:31
children were killed at separate times on different days yeah because that's the only thing that
00:41:37
explains away why we saw Ty Lee in early September and then days later we don't see her but we see JJ we have a
00:41:45
verified sighting of JJ and this comes from when Melanie Gibb and her boyfriend David Warwick were at Laurie's apartment
00:41:54
okay this is what they told police they had an in-depth discussion with police regarding the weekend of September 22nd
00:42:03
and September 23rd 2019 this would be as I speculate uh what about two weeks after Ty Lee was likely
00:42:14
murdered I'm just thinking about that poor seven-year-old boy asking where his sister is because you know they didn't
00:42:22
probably pay him much attention or really care too much about him and she probably did she probably
00:42:29
protected him so Melanie and David both tell police that when they were there on
00:42:35
the 22nd and 23rd they tell police that the last time that they saw JJ was on the night of
00:42:43
September 22nd 2019. now that night Lori valo tells her guest Melanie and David that her son is acting up so her brother
00:42:54
Alex is going to come over collect the child and take him back to his apartment again in the same complex
00:43:02
the last time they see the child Alex Cox is holding JJ who appears to be asleep with his head on Alex's shoulder
00:43:12
this is very troubling because we talked about the FBI using that cast technology team to analyze
00:43:20
Alex Cox's phone or the movement of his phone well they tracked that phone for the
00:43:27
morning of September 23rd the next morning once again at 9 55 a.m Alex is at Chad
00:43:35
daybell's property he is there for about 15 minutes yeah to make a long story short
00:43:45
they end up finding the remains of both of these children in June of 2020 and of
00:43:52
course they find them on Chad dabel's property east side of the barn uh the information I have I don't know
00:44:01
how specific it gets but it seems like they were the FBI and local police were snooping around that so-called pet
00:44:08
cemetery on Chad dabell's property yeah disgusting yeah and there's some evidence that they went to a
00:44:17
considerable amount of work and effort to try to conceal evidence and cause of death
00:44:24
and Tyler's body that there this her body was burned and and um yeah it's just it's pathetic and you
00:44:36
know that parents or uncle or anybody that would do this to their children it's and for what so you just don't have the
00:44:49
burden of them because they had people in their lives they had family members in their lives that loved
00:44:55
them and I'm sure if they would have said hey uh you know if I have to have the burden of having
00:45:02
these kids anymore I'm just gonna go ahead and kill them somebody would have taken on that
00:45:08
responsibility or by the by the way their their dad would have but you killed him well that's what it's
00:45:15
starting to look like right once you figure out what has very likely happened to these children that they were
00:45:21
murdered dismembered and and then hidden this is like a triangle of serial killers
00:45:27
then you have to go back and you go okay well these deaths that one that was thought to have been self-defense a
00:45:35
couple of others that were thought to be natural causes now you have to question
00:45:40
all of that because you have these three Psychopaths that seem to be working together in cahoots to off family
00:45:48
members yeah and thank God that you had relatives that cared so much for these children that they reported them missing
00:45:57
and several of them pled publicly for the return or at least hey Lori tell us where these kids are why won't you say
00:46:05
anything and it was only that call to report these children missing that led to all of this other stuff coming to
00:46:15
light to be suspicious Behavior oh yeah luckily there's people that cared about them enough to start calling or we would
00:46:22
never have answers there'd just be a bunch of questions and then you have to wonder well who's in charge here
00:46:28
is this a situation where Chad and Lori and Alex really believed did they truly believe that the end of the world was
00:46:37
coming that we're surrounded by zombies and they needed to rid the Earth of these zombies
00:46:43
and did they believe that their relatives the ones that were dying around them that they were the zombies or is it just
00:46:51
kind of convenient that they go you know what I don't want to be married no more oh I
00:46:56
could get a big life insurance policy right or it's they can use this weird defense of well
00:47:03
I believe all this stuff so I was actually protecting my children from the end times well it's really starting to
00:47:09
look like Alex was either the killer or participated in killing a lot of these people and then you really question his
00:47:17
death as well I really think he died from knowing that he's going to get busted um that that's my gut feeling there it's
00:47:26
possible I what I wonder with all of these heart attacks or natural causes Tammy dies in her sleep an ex-husband
00:47:34
dies of a heart attack Alex dies of something similar is it some kind of poisoning is somebody poisoning somebody
00:47:41
or injecting somebody with something that's causing these to appear to be natural deaths yeah same they could have
00:47:48
done the same thing to the children as well well then you wonder did they attempt to do this to Charles
00:47:55
and he fought back right and he was shot in the process and unfortunately I do believe that that
00:48:03
gunshot that was intended for the fake raccoon really indicates maybe the cause of death in one of the children
00:48:12
and so you really wonder how I mean we've talked about a lot of horrible crazy cases on this show over the years
00:48:22
and this is about one of the most evil cases I can think of yeah I mean this puts her right up there with
00:48:31
Casey Anthony and I I was hoping and praying because you also have to keep in mind too when
00:48:39
Lori was arrested she was only arrested because she failed to provide the courts
00:48:44
what they were asking for it's basically contempt of court and she is charged with abandonment of her children because
00:48:51
they could prove that she left and went off to Hawaii without taking her children with her right so she's in jail
00:48:57
waiting for trial for this whole time they still don't know where the kids are Chad day Bell's out doing his thing
00:49:04
he even appears in court in support of Lori or if he's the puppet master and controlling everything maybe that's his
00:49:12
way to remind her that he's still in control of her when he shows up for court he's not arrested until they find the
00:49:19
remains on his property yeah so now they've opened up reopened up the investigation into what happened to his
00:49:26
first wife Tammy they've started an investigation as to was this actually self-defense the the death of Charles
00:49:34
valo they're really looking and sorting and sifting through all of this stuff and we're probably going to see trials
00:49:42
next year I would believe for both Lori and Chad yeah I think there's some updating that will need to be done there
00:49:50
because there's still some loose ends like you said who who was the leader of this was it a triangle or was it just
00:49:56
the two at the end of the day these are horrible individuals and I hope they start that
00:50:02
nonsense and zombie talking in prison I hope those prisoners just [ __ ] them up
00:50:08
just really [ __ ] them up well you also have to wonder too was was Alex Cox just
00:50:14
some kind of tool was he just some kind of psychopath that was willing to do anything requested by his sister
00:50:21
and that he that he was this murderous man right and that he was some kind of tool for them to use and that they were
00:50:29
both the puppet master of this guy and then when it started crashing down all around them that maybe they killed him
00:50:36
off and maybe those maybe he's the only one that those two actually killed but if
00:50:42
you take it and you think about it in that manner then you have to wonder who's who's more sick and twisted Chad
00:50:48
or Lori or is it equal and I'm starting to think that it's equal because I've had a lot of people review this case and
00:50:54
try to tell me you know what Chad was pulling the strings Chad was having Lori do whatever he wanted to and I don't
00:51:00
believe that for a second why because we have that attack on her previous husband
00:51:05
that took place years before she even met this Chad guy yeah possibly but the other evidence is he was married for
00:51:13
what 26 years all of a sudden she comes along and he's just he like becomes a zombie for her
00:51:22
you know does whatever he can to to want to be with her you know yeah and we also
00:51:28
have information out there that even though Lori didn't receive insurance money from the death of Charles fallow
00:51:36
that Chad received over four hundred thousand dollars when his wife Tammy passed away you know I don't know if
00:51:44
there's a heaven or hell or anything like that but I I really hope there is so so this son of a [ __ ] can burn there
00:51:52
for a very long time they do have a witness who claims to have heard Chad tell them
00:52:01
that he cannot move forward with his plan until his wife is dead thank you all right once you're done with this
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