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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] all right welcome back from the turkey
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day break that's right here we are once again saving you all from having to listen to something
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else speaking of a listening there's some weird noises surrounding the garage yeah even as good of garage detectives
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as we are we cannot we cannot figure out what these noises are and we're at the scene of the crime and we have no clue
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we apologize in advance if you can hear there is I do what know what one noise is it's either some kind of animal or
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bird that I've not heard it like it doesn't sound like really anything that jumps mine other than some kind of small
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furry animal or bird but it it seems like it's sitting in a tree just outside their garage and like every like 10
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minutes it goes all all right so let's talk about the Kendrick Johnson case we covered
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this case do do you don't remember what episode do we actually covered it uh March of this year and it was episodes
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195 196 for those of you that like to go back and listen on the Stitcher app this
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is known as The Case of the boy that was found in a wrestling mat right and a lot
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of people argue is this even a crime um because the first autopsy that came out stated that he died from um positional
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affixation mhm meaning because he was turned upside down basically their findings were that he had some shoes
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Kendrick had some shoes for gym class and they fell to the bottom of the mat the mats were turned vertically y so
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when he went in to get the shoes he fell into the mat and then because of the position he was in head first um all the
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blood rushes to your head and then you die from uh fixation yeah so picture a couple things
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about this case that jumped off the page right away when we first covered it was
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one on the surface when you first hear about this case you're like a high school kid is found dead rolled up in a
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mat in the gym hell no that's no accident some some [ __ ] killed this guy and put him in the gym mat right and
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then you start to look into it and you're like wait a second the mats were vertical and there were multiple mats
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and this was typically how they were stored there what no they weren't typically stored that way they're
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actually stored the other way that's but for whatever reason they were stored vertically this time that's right the
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the uh I forgot about that the whoever the custodian flipped them all up on their sides because of something that
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was going on in the gym right and he he and a friend shared some shoes because you know like even when we were in high
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school you get you get in trouble if you don't switch you know switch out your your outfit to a gym outfit it's the
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only way to fail PE right is to not change your clothes yeah as long as you change your clothes and just kind of
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stand there and look stupid you're fine they're going to pass you so if you have
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to have a pair of shoes you know some I guess the school could say Hey you even got to switch your shoes I just wore
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tennis shoes so usually I just wear whatever shoes I was wearing but Funk up the shoes that's right and uh him and a
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friend shared a pair of shoes and I guess their typical MO is they were like hey dude you wear the shoes during your
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your class and put them in this map for me you know kind of tuck them in there because the the lockers they only lock
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from my understanding if you pay you had to like pay a fee right and who wants to
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look you're making this require requirement of me who wants to pay for that on top of that so stuff the shoes
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in the mat and then when it's my turn I'll grab them out of there we can share these
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shoes and it kind of when you really dive into it it kind of looks like this is just a really really tragic accident
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of this kid who went in to get his his personal belongings they may have slipped down further he slides down
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further and then it's kind of like a boa constrictor effect with this mat on his
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body right the more he moves the more it tightens and also it would just be not 100% soundproof but even if he was
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saying hey somebody help me you probably wouldn't be able to hear him through the
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thickness of the mat and he's upside down yeah you know so so the the portion that you're going to hope to get air
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from and um word out screams out noise coming out is unfortunately the opposite side that he's facing and his body's
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blocking all of that yeah but a couple weird things in this case one we have surveillance footage surveillance
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footage the times are off so that leads to the conspiracy theorist to say hey these these time stamps are wrong um we
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just knew but what once you do the investigation you realize that these time stamps were just wrong but if you
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line them up on the wrong Parts you could see him walk down the hall you can see him walk into um the gym mhm so and
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then the other Factor that's going to play in here is that Kendrick Johnson is a young black male and this is
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um we're in Georgia this case took place in Georgia right but this is I think predominantly a white school so that is
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going to play into the conspiracy theorist a little bit so yeah and that's that's
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what's often most often brought up in the media regarding this case that it's uh it's it's some people that were up to
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no good murdered this kid and they're covering it up and here's the thing when we dove into a captain I felt I felt
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like okay if it were a murder there were two things going on here either there was some kind of personal conflict going
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on that I don't think had anything to do with him being black it just he was not
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getting along with somebody right and that could have resulted in the murder of this young man or we have a situation
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where there's some kind of there's some kind of scenario that plays out resulting in his murder and then the
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cover up happens one not just to cover up and keep these other these other kids out of trouble or out of prison but two
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the cover up is it's going to be easier to cover it up because he's he's black and and you know the the system is
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against him well yeah a couple things to counterbalance that so one we start with
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our good buddy Reverend Al Sharpton he comes in and says hey look this is a this is a racial issue uh they're
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covering this up because he's a black student and we got to get to the bottom of this well then what else happens is
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the NAACP comes in and says okay we're going to do the investigation as well they do a 2-year long investigation they
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look at the autopsy of the first autop autopsy and then they look at the second autopsy now this all stems because the
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position that he's found upside down once they do the autopsy there is so much um blood and
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other fluids that flow to the brain and flow to um to the Head really right that
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when they do the autopsy and they drain then the skin around the face becomes loose and this picture when viral
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there's two pictures one where he just looks green and swollen and another picture where his skin looks loose
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around the face and and the look sorry to cut you off but the the father took these
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pictures well he didn't take the pictures they were taken during the autopsy but and they they got to him
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somehow cuz the family sent out the pictures right isn't that how initially they became released yeah okay and and
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and and look it's kind of like if it walks like a duck if it talks like a duck it's a
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duck that's what I think he was grown off of I don't think this guy has this guy I think is known to have below
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average intelligence and and what you see from not the swollen green face picture but the one with the loose skin
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if you ask anybody what does that look like happened to Kendrick you'd go somebody beat this kid's face
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unrecognized ible oh yeah that's what it looks like so but that's not what the autopsy of the first autopsy I think
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proves and then for the second autopsy they had to assume the body and there was kind of some misconception when we
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when we reported this originally when this originally happened um when the findings came back for the third autopsy
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it was unclear to me depending on what press you're looking at it was very unclear if they actually assumed the
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body for the third autopsy well well we never reported on the third the third autopsy well I
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posted it on oh I'm social media so that's what I meant I all I could say is that there was a third autopsy done and
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that that is online somewhere and if anybody's interested in the case hey go check that out we I try to do that from
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time to time especially if there's new information in a case that we've covered so but at that time it was very unar
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clear if they assumed the body or not it looks like they had they did assume the
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body and it wasn't just a re review of the first and the second autopsy which I think that was June of was that June of
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this year and now we're we're getting we're hearing the findings of of such test uh here in
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November so basically what it seems like to me that we're we're learning is that now
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there's thought or at least least caused to believe with the with the new um situation with the new autopsy
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information that it was nonaccidental blunt force trauma to his right neck to the right side of his neck yeah it looks
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like blunt force trauma right side of the neck a hammer of a soft tissue uh in the upper neck it looks like there's um
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blunt force trauma to the right thorax MH this is where it gets you know tricky for me because to
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say that the first autopsies were done and accurate and on top of that you have the IND NAACP coming in
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and doing a two-year investigation which involved the first autopsy and the second autopsy and their findings for it
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to be an accident this just seems a little strange to me um it's hard to know what to believe at this point
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because I think a lot of people are going to look at this autopsy and go W there it is there's the conspiracy this
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is a cover up but then that's like saying well but the but the so the other two autopsies were wrong and I have a I
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have a problem with that because you're also exhuming the body for a second time and it's like what what was done to
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the body the first two autopsies is that that that to me that would hinder hinder
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your investigation or your third autopsy look the other thing here though too is to me this really this really messes
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it up for me because it almost what I think of is I'm like really are any of these tests conclusive
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then yeah are any of them correct because if if you you you take the test one time and the answer is a and then
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you take the same test again the answer is B and then a third time the answer is
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C it's it's can any of these be considered correct especially if I'm a juror well
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and think about it this way members of the Johnson family protested the original autopsy findings believing he
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was murdered yes they did that so we had a second autopsy which basically backed up the
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first one for the most part were there a couple differences yes but for the most
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part backed up the claims of the F first autopsy so now the Johnson's then are protesting the second autopsy and and
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that's where like you said I mean I'm kind of with you where it's like I don't know I don't know if I'm supposed to
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believe the first one the second one or the third one but two out of the three lead to accidental death by positional
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affixation mhm the picture pictures that we have everyone except for after the autopsy with the loose
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skin all those pictures to me go with the idea of positional affixation so other than the one where
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they drain the fluids and the loose skin around his face to me that looks I mean
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as if he was Beat to Death right well and here's the thing though too like what I was Finding with this
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information coming out that hey now now the uh here's what was found in the third autopsy but accompanying that on
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most of these sites and maybe this was released beforehand I don't know I've not seen it until looking for
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information on this third autopsy but there was a an affidavit that was released to the public recently now
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there are a lot of um a lot of portions of this this three or four page a David that has been redacted you know we got
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somebody was kind enough to come in with a nice thick black Sharpie marker and scrape out some of the scratch over some
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of the information there but this affidavit was filed with the state of Georgia this year earlier this year on
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February it looks like February 9th of this year and it's it's basically somebody coming forward we don't know
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who it is because their name has been removed from this now public document that states that they met someone in
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April of 2016 and on one occasion with that person at at somebody's apartment this individual told them that either
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they killed or they witness the killing of Kendrick Johnson right and according to this person they're stating that um
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Kendrick Johnson was in the gym at the high school uh and where an argument broke out between Kendrick Johnson and
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this other person and the argument was about something I mean something obviously it was about something but it
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list in this Aid affidavit what the argument was about but again that is removed from the document as well
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according to this individual um they're stating that somebody was taking steroids at the time
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not not Kendrick well we don't know that for certain because the names are removed but during the assuming it
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wasn't him well and and because of a very good reason there are many times where Kendrick Johnson's name is listed
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on this on this document and it's not removed right and so we don't see any other names appear so I have to guess
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that if it was Kendrick they would have just left his name in there so I think we're I think it's okay to say well not
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only okay but we're very confident to say that it wasn't Kendrick taking these steroids someone's taking steroids and
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out of the old Roid Rage effects of the steroids and then this argument well now
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this person decides to attack Kendrick and Strikes him in the neck with a 45b weight uh or dumbbell which is a little
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weird well this person isn't claiming to be there they're getting told the story
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so maybe they don't understand if it was a weight or a dumbbell so that's not weird right but this is an eyewitness
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though no you know what I mean that's it's somebody at a party that's talking and and are you going to have that in
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cases you're going to have that in cases anyways you're definitely going to have
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that in cases where it's high school kids MH I don't even know what to to think of that well okay so I have a c I
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have a couple thoughts on this and I think I think there's a lot of interesting possible information here
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and one being that the only Revelation that comes out of this is is that it was it was this person claims to know or at
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least heard secondhand what the object was that Kendrick was struck with right and and I would assume that's not a 40
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lb uh 40 lb weight um like a plate weight right I I would assume that'd be more more likely a dumbbell well it' be
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easier to hit somebody but even a 45lb dumbbell that's hard to strike somebody with that yeah well that's what all the
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steroids were for well before you get into that let me get to to there was two brothers that were
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investigated and this report is leaving out their names but this is this is um we mentioned their names on on our show
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if you want to find that it's easy to find yeah more of an initial report but but I'm going to State this now so then
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we can get back to it later one of the uh one of the brothers was a wrestler and um so what they needed an alibi do
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we have an alibi for these individual ual there's two individuals that they thought were the only times that there
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was a scuffle right there was a scuffle between these two brothers or at least one of the brothers and Kendrick Johnson
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now this happened a couple years previous but they thought hey maybe they were still
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feuding right so one of the kids was a wrestler he was going to be due in and and making
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Georgia uh which is about 152 miles away at 4M for weigh-ins so the coach is stating that
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um they would have departed from the school grounds no later than 12:30 and that would have been an hour before so
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they would have met in the gym an hour before Johnson was even seen um last on the surveillance tapes so that's a
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pretty solid Alibi that you're in the gym an hour before you're now on a bus going away and not only it that it's
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from a coach it's from somebody that works for the school so we could assume that that's a pretty solid
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Alibi right but the the person named here which we can't find their name in the affidavit I don't know why I can't
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find these guys no no no no but the person named in the affidavit it's been removed before it was released to the
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public that doesn't have to be one of those Brothers Well the reason why this might be removed though is because
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Kendrick Johnson's um Family filed multiple lawsuits and on the last lawsuit that they filed not only did
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they lose the trial but the judge awarded which normally doesn't happen not only are you trying to sue these
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people for wrongful death but you're going to lose and we're going to make you pay their attorney fees and we're
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going to make you pay for other things and it racked up a bill I'm I'm just going off the top of my head that was
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like 300,000 400,000 I thought it was more than that but it was it was it was to the point where you go they're never
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going to pay that back um and look are the people that they were suing entitled to that maybe they're entitled to fees
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but this extra money that the judge threw in I don't know if they're entitled to that cuz look we got a
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grieving family they don't want to believe the first autopsy they don't want to believe the first investigation
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which rightfully so look parts of the investigation we know for a fact that they didn't follow protocol we know for
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a fact that the coroners set out um in the parking lot of the high school for hours and we know that the sheriff said
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that that's wrong first of all the odd the the whole crime scene is the head of the crime scene is the coroner so the
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fact that the head of the crime scene was set out in the parking lot for hours before coming in that seems fishy so
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there there is reason you know it's not like oh your kid accidentally died and these parents are morons or or anything
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for not believing everything that people are telling them uh but I think a lot of
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people like Reverend Sharpton I mean I just think he's an [ __ ] and I think he came into the situation he
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stirred the pot they lost some lawsuits and then he walked away you haven't heard from him since you know uh and I
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just think they're they're in a tough situation because they're hearing all these rumors
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and they saw these pictures and and they don't know what to believe and and I feel bad for them so I don't know if
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they should have been awarded extra money to pay out to to these people they're suing uh that wasn't my understand I
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didn't know that they received extra money that could be I could be wrong about that I thought it was just to
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cover their I thought it was loyal plus something and and the the plus something
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is what made the amount more ridiculous I'd have to look that up now now somebody out there's probably going
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to want to throw a tomato at me for saying this I don't know because there's there's mixed reviews on Al Sharpton I
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personally I like me some Al Sharpton I uh I I think he I think he gets involved
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in too many things um so I he can be annoying to me in that way but I do there are lots of
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times where I find like oh I I'm glad he got involved and here to me I really feel like in the beginning I kind of
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felt like this is a pot that needed to be stirred a little bit now as information look I applaud him for doing
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that but this is all done with money involved there's money changing hands I I would want to see where this money is
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coming from what what do you mean money changing hands I don't think it's as simple as he's just coming to the rescue
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to bring awareness to things I think there's other forces behind him that are paying him to do this paying his travel
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pain for his time and his Services okay that's what I believe I mean I I but we don't know we have nothing to to back up
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that thought what do you mean eh you you've seen something read something heard something yeah no I've heard I mean and
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but that happens a lot I mean they they also will um will do things where uh a political person gets involved in a
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situation and then they start doing fundraisers for whatever cause but that fundraiser is actually going to keep
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that higher status person uh around no no I know but I'm I'm I'm asking specifically in this situation regarding
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Al Sharpton well not in this situation but multiple situation with Sharpton where they'll have uh Community meetings
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and they'll have um different churches in the area take collections of up to to pay uh Sharpton to stay there and and
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keep spreading the word well according to the SAA David there was also a witness to this fight um so not just the
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person that attacked Kendrick Johnson but a witness to the attack and I guess as stated in the affidavit this this
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person okay somebody attacks Kendrick and then tells the witness hey you're going to help me hide his body you're
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going to help me kind of cover this up and clean this up a little bit and if you don't you know now you're in trouble
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so this is this is a threat laid out to the witness to help this individual I'm guessing Place Kendrick in the mat it
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and it's just one individual that attacked Kendrick I can't say for certain because it's but I mean I mean
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look look at this page right here right but what you're that's what I'm that's what I'm reading no but what but what we
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can we assume it the way that this docu reads it sounds like it was one individual that's all witnessed it um
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and and that was just me when I said look at this that was me everyone showing the captain page two of the
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affidavit there's like there's pull down his pants and you never were so impressed in your life the um but this
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document that I'm looking at it it's easily fair to say right captain that there's at least one or two black
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lines yeah half the page in each each line of the page so you have to do a little uh inferring along the way but
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the other thing though too is then it goes on to say that um the the video was the surveillance video was corrupted or
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deleted some hour and 25 minutes was removed from the original recording according to this person and they again
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they name who in some way facilitated the editing of the high school surveillance video yeah but that was
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that's been speculated from the beginning that's why during their lawsuits people like vice principal and
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principal and and people like that were named as well because I think they believe that they had something to do
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with the editing of the tapes and then we have but but hold on but the paper that you're reading it doesn't prove it
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it's just stating speculation no this is not proof of anything okay um but because look if there's proof that the
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tapes were altered then to me there's proof that there's wrongdoing because why would you alter a tape if you didn't
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have any wrongdoing well and then item number nine in the affidavit States again somebody's name that's been
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removed also told me that after Kendrick Johnson's death that his organs were removed in newspaper placed in the
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cavity so as to interfere with any effort to establish the correct time of death or to otherwise disclose any other
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injuries blank also told me that the autopsies were falsely documented right here's the problem with this conspiracy
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theory though is that there has to be at least five individuals involved if not more and the the argument for the
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people that say it is a conspiracy these brothers or at least one of the brothers
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that might be involved or maybe there's two of them involved we don't know that the argument is their father
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is X FBI so is there some connections that he has possibly but does he have connections to be able to control a
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police off or not police officer does he have the ability to control a principal or a vice principal
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I I or the coroner I well I would I would say because the coroner is government that they have more likely to
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uh to be able to control the the coroner's findings uh you know or if the FBI is in involved in this but again
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there's plenty of people that have worked for the FBI that have had bad kids that have done bad things that are
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probably in jail for murder probably in jail for uh selling drugs and probably a
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bunch of violent crimes and the FBI didn't cover it up just because it was a son of a FBI agent well and we said I
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think we said this when we covered Kendrick Johnson's case because we've come into this several times before and
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after is it man if if somebody some yahoo at the FBI or some uh sheriff or police chief
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if somebody like that is doing some wrongdoing and you work for a different agency you work you know at a different
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level elsewhere right and you're able to 100% make a case against that individual
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man you can make a career for yourself so it's almost like why wouldn't I why wouldn't I expose this why wouldn't I
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bring this to light but the the thing that I said what I was getting to earlier was that really this affidavit
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one like the captain so very clearly and rightfully so pointed out this is one individual stating I heard this from
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soand so and this person told me this at their apartment or somebody's apartment
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right now we don't know what was going on at the time but it is 100 100% hearsay until any of this is proven um
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until you pull the other individual in and say hey did you say this to so and so and if you did recount the story for
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us what do you know about the death of Kendrick Johnson the other thing too is again the only this this affidavit is
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not like it's not blowing my skirt up because there's no the only Revelation here is the possible weapon that was
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used if in fact somebody did strike Kendrick Johnson with something to the neck if somebody in fact attacked this
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young man then we now have an idea or at least a story from a story of what that
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likely weapon was the as you pointed out captain and you're exactly right everything else was stuff that was in
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the news that you could just attach somebody's name to it it's like Mad Libs right you just go right all right oh oh
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that they think that the surveillance footage was was messed with well guess what uh chubba wubba Hub did that and I
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heard that from so and so and then oh they the organs were removed and stuffed with with newspaper th none of that is
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new stuff none of that is new information and we don't know obviously to be 100 perfect 100% perfectly
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clear even though this affidavit comes out we don't know if any of this is legit stuff well no and Kendrick
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Johnson's uh Father Kenneth Johnson when he was speaking to one reporter they said uh yeah we decided to go through
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the process not once but three times but how many times are you going to have to
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go through this now I did see something and I can't find it anywhere um and so this could just be
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complete hearsay but we have this Alibi that was like what I was reading before that was
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years ago this Alibi yeah this solid airtight Alibi and what I have um what I've been hearing is that this
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airtight Alibi that everybody speaks of is it might not be as airtight as um it once was so U but
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look if you can prove that and that's going to be very hard to prove you have Deputy deputies and in the in the early
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investigation and even in the later part of the investigation they're going over
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this over and over and over and eventually once you go I have this teacher telling me that this is where
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the student would be he would be on a bus he would be this many miles away this kid can't have anything to do
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with this mhm and that's what all the reports say that's what the investigation says that's what the
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deputies say right the people that are in charge of this case that's what they say whatever you find whatever your
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little Smoking Gun is it can't be some hearsay that somebody heard at a party you're going to have to be able to prove
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that right and I would I would argue you'd have to either get a confession from this suspect or you're
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going to have to get some video evidence that proves that he was not on that bus
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and some people go well they had a weigh in well look what I do know is I had several wrestling meets where you had to
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weigh in at the school that you're wrestling at M but your parents were allowed to take you there so was this a
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scenario where he wasn't on the bus that day he had his parents take him right so
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but I think you're going to but even if that happened and your parents don't remember you're never going back on your
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story I have an airtight Alibi well and we got we do have to I I want to point out here that you keep
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referencing these brothers and we don't know that that's what this affidavit is talking who this affidavit is talking
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about um so and you're you're exactly right this is not evidence uh this person coming forward is not evidence
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now it could lead to evidence it could lead to talking to the right person eventually that maybe saw something
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witnessed something was a part of something who knows right but my point being it let's say this kid is involved
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right and he did strike him with some kind of weight right and this hearsay is about this
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wrestler and he's guilty let's just say hypothetically what I'm saying is he already has on record a airtight Alibi
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so as long as he just sticks with that story it's going to be damn hard to prove that alibi to be wrong right right
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right there's no case there's no case against him unless you can disprove this Alibi uh but you know I do want to point
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out again though this affidavit was filed this year February 9th 2018 right Kendrick Johnson sadly was
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either attacked and killed or died tragically in an accident January of 2013 so there's been a lot of time that
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has passed since these two incidents [Music] [Applause]