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[Music] [Music] Terry Lee McCoy lived alone in a nice ranchstyle home with 38 acres of land.
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Terry loved the outdoors and one of the features of his beautiful property was a
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large duck pond. Terry was getting ready to sell his property, but before he could, he
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vanished. Foul play was suspected by most almost right away. Terry was wellliked and lived in a wonderful
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community. Members of that community banded together and searched for the man. Anyone with information relating to
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contact the Crimestoppers of Minnesota. This is true crime [Music] garage. Today we are going back in time
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to that dreaded COVID year of 2020. We are going to go to Wheaten, Minnesota. This is in Traverse County or Traverse
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County, sorry. So, we are talking about West Minnesota, right by both of the Dakotas. Right by both of the Dakota
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state lines. This is a really cool area. Weaten is about two square miles with about 1,400 folks living there. This
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should be a very peaceful area, especially out on State Highway 27 where then 68-year-old Terry Lee McCoy was
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living. Terry was a retired construction heavy equipment operator. Terry was married, but sadly his wife had passed
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away years before our true crime story takes place. As a young man, Terry attended vocational school for welding
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and heavy equipment operation. In the late 70s, he married his late wife, Catherine. At the time, Catherine had a
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son named Paul. And then Terry and Catherine expanded the little family of three to a family of five. after
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welcoming another son. This is Brock and then their only daughter, Carrie. Terry
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was in the process of selling his home in property in 2020. This is a large and beautiful property. It's about 38 acres
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featuring a large duck pond. So, the front of the property has a long driveway surrounded by trees, and then
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it opens up into a little roundabout with a large outbuilding that sits across from a very nice rectangle-shaped
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ranch style home. The landscaping, it appears a lot of it was quite well thought out. A lot of thought was put
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into this landscaping. There are strategically placed trees through the back portion of the property and what
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looks like plenty of pathways to travel. Terry loved spending time outdoors, so this property only makes so much sense
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with this dude's lifestyle. He was into fishing. He was into hunting. And if this property were mine, captain, it
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would be hard to get my ass off the back porch. Now, shockingly so. Terry Lee McCoy was reported missing on Thursday,
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June 18th of 2020. From the report, here is what has been released to the public.
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Terry McCoy was preparing to move from his Wheaten, Minnesota farm to transition to an assisted living
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facility. So, he was going to go live with his good friend Mike. Okay. And so when these articles and online articles
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describe this as assisted living facility, there's some question that I put onto that here, Captain, because
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it's reported several different ways. We know he's going to go live with his friend Mike. That's not the question.
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And Mike is even on record showing the news like, "This is my home. Come on inside. Here's the room that Terry was
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going to move into." These two were friends for a very long time now. Does Mike live on a property that is has
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assisted living facilities there? Possibly. That part is not clear. So, both could be very true. However, the
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important thing here is to know Terry McCoy, his plans were to sell the home and property and move in with his buddy
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Mike. This is a complete change of lifestyle. This is going to be a new chapter in Terry's life and very
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different from his younger years. These two have been friends for over four decades. So longer than you and I have
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known each other. Captain the best friend as said his name is Mike Mike Duggar. This is from
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K1 News who did a fantastic job. They by far the most coverage of this case has been done by K.
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The friend tells K a that Terry McCoy was his best friend of 47 years and Terry planned to move in with him as
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soon as the farm was sold. Now, Terry is reported missing because when the prospective buyers showed up at his home
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on June 18th, 2020, he's not there. Terry's not there, but they saw what they say are possible signs of a
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struggle. Right? these prospective buyers, they've pretty much worked everything out with Terry McCoy with the
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exception of the closing. Now, the closing was set for June 22nd, so just days after Terry is reported missing.
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And oddly enough, I think this would be a unique situation. I don't think we've found another case that's like this
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where the buyer of a home and property are the ones to report the current owner as being missing. Yeah, it probably was
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pretty odd. We have basically an agreement worked out. We just have to work out a couple of the details and now
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we can't get a hold of him. So now we have to report him missing. And initially there was no foul play
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suspected, right? But yes and no depending on who you talk to. Right. And that's that's something that I find
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weird in this case. Yeah. And I think you're spot on with that. So I want to kind of clear up this sale of the home
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because the the sale of the home itself is a complicated situation I believe. So
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Terry selling the home and 38 acre property to the Drewick family. This is a small family and these folks are much
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much younger than Terry McCoy. They originally had set in place for a closing to take place earlier prior to
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him going missing, but there were some complications with the title. Now, keep in mind this is the COVID year, so
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everything was strange and weird and some things just weren't working at all this year. There were complications that
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that there were setbacks for the sale of the home and the transference of the property and the monies. He was going to
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sell the home to these people. It kind of fell through. There were some setbacks and they simply moved back the
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closing date. He's got a much longer relationship with these buyers than what we would typically see. and anybody
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that's purchased a home, you know that there usually is some kind of communication between you buy the buyer
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and the seller. So, the buyers call the sheriff's office or the Wheaten Police Department and they say, "Hey, look,
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something's not right. Can you come out here and check on the property and check
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on this guy?" So, we have the Traverse County Sheriff's Office will eventually show up and they are looking through the
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place. Unfortunately, Captain, they do not find Terry McCoy. And according to what they, the sheriff's office, tell
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the news, the public, they found nothing suspicious at the scene. And if they were looking for a breadcrumb trail as
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to where old Terry was, they didn't seem to find that either. Yeah. But this is also not a normal situation or a normal
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missing person situation where you go, "Okay, well, let's go look for Terry. He lives in this apartment. and it's about
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1,500 square ft² or let's go look for uh Terry. He looks he lives in a big house,
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a 3,000 ft house and he on a quarter acre property. This becomes a little more difficult because not only do you
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have to search the house, but you have to search almost 40 acres of land. So their statement, the sheriff's statement
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of no suspicious activity. Well, that statement to the public is going to come with some very welldeserved push back
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from Terry's family and friends. So, here we go. This is from Wday TV News out of beautiful Fargo, North Dakota. We
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have Sheriff Trevor Wright. He's currently the sitting sheriff as well. Said there was nothing suspicious about
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McCoy's disappearance. quote, "There was a broken chair that he might have been sleeping in and he may have fallen and
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bumped his head." End quote. This is what Wright said in the interview. Now, we mentioned Terry's kids earlier. They
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were born, I believe, in the late '7s, so now they're grown. Terry's daughter is Carrie
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McCoy. She calls her father regularly. In fact, nearly every single day she calls to check in on her father who is
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living alone. This is pretty much a scheduled daily call. She calls her dad as usual on June 18th and she says the
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phone is picked up. Someone picks up the phone and it's answered by someone from
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the sheriff's office. She told she was told that they were there because her father was reported missing by the
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couple that was buying his home. Right. Here's where we need to go through the conflicting stories. The buyers call in
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to the authorities because Terry's missing and they said with their untrained eyes that they see signs of a
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struggle. Sheriff says that there's nothing suspicious other than Terry may have fallen and bumped his head. Yeah.
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And hold on for a second. What one of the things that's suspicious is a 68-year-old man makes
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plans to move in with his friend and he's going to sell this property and he is not and we're not able to reach this
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individual to tie up some of these details. He wants to sell his house. It's not like he's being forced to sell
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his house. So, that's the first red flag. Suspicious that they can't get a hold of him. And then when you go to his
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house, guess what? Terry's not there. That's suspicious. That's your first red flag. Yes. So, they're there, the
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authorities. There's no sign of Terry. Here's what they do find. A broken chair. This is much more important than
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just any old chair. Right. This is rather important because this is air quotes Terry's chair. Sure, there are
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plenty of other chairs in the home, but this one is the one that he is always sitting in. In fact, several people said
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that most nights Terry would fall asleep in this chair. They also find Terry shoes, wallet, keys. He has two vehicles
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and both of those vehicles are found at the property. So, to me, and like the captain already said, that is
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suspicious. But if the sheriff is right, right, that there's nothing suspicious that happened, then we should assume
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that Terry did not go too far away. So, this is going to trigger a large search for Terry with many persons from the
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community joining the search efforts. I I'll defend the sheriff in saying this. if he arrived, if if his
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team arrived at the property, they view everything and they are trying to deduce
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what they think took place. It is conceivable that this old man had an accident, fell and bumped his head. As
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the sheriff said, it's a very large property. There's a large, let's call it a body of water. It's referred to as a
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pond, but anybody that looks at aerial views of this area, it's a pretty it's a very large pond. I'll back up the
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sheriff on this. I I think this statement we need to keep in mind we do not know how early in the game this
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statement was given to the news. Right? If if this was given within hours of him
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being missing, I can see and understand that the sheriff or somebody had the thought that maybe we're going to find
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him on this property somewhere or maybe we're going to find him in the pond. No,
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I agree with you. It it all depends on when this is shared with the media because even if you go, "Hey, there's a
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couple red flags, but this is too early. We We just got it reported that he's missing. Let's see if we can find him
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first before we give any indication that there was foul play." But if I'm law enforcement, I'm walking around this
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property. Now, we're in the house. We can't find Terry. We We find his phone wallet, his keys, right? So the whole
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time I'm searching this 40 acres, I'm I'm thinking in my head, phone, wallet, keys, phone, wallet, keys. My life used
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to be so breezy with my phone, my wallet, my keys. Adam Sandler. Shout out to Adam Sandler. I think a more
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appropriate statement to the media at the time would have been, "We are yet to have searched the entirety of this very
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large property, right? And we have reason to be here, and we have reason to believe that a search is necessary."
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That's what I think would have been more appropriate. So, I agree. You're now hired. I'm hiring you. You're new You're
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now the new sheriff. I would love I would love to be a sheriff. You know, I think you'd uh pull off the outfit
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pretty well. You might have to put on a little bit of weight in your midsection to hold up the big belt. I'm no Jensen,
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but I would I would make it work. No Jensen, but uh but one hell of a colonel. So, the report is Terry, it was
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reported as six foot tall, about 250 pounds with gray hair and blue eyes. Terry is bald on top, and in most
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pictures that I've seen, he's wearing a hat. Terry was last seen in town by several folks the day before he was
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reported missing. Now, I have reports that state that he was last seen in town the day prior at 2:00 p.m., but other
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reports say that he was last seen as late as 5:30 p.m. on that Wednesday. Where do they do you know where he was
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seen? Yeah. And and so a lot of this stuff on the surface seems very strange, but once you kind of parse through it,
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it all starts to make sense. And and we see that with so many cases. So, a lot of the reports state that he was seen in
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town just kind of doing daily routine stuff, but the better reports state that he was he was going around town. And
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this is important, right? So, we have multiple people that see him the day before, which I like having independent
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witnesses that are reporting similar occurrences or statements. And I believe some of the eyewitnesses actually knew
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him personally, right? Yeah. Well, and and part of it, too, is he was seen at several different locations in town. He
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was posting flyers about an auction. I can't say this with 100% certainty, but look, I'm a fake detective. I'm sure
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that the auction he's downsizing his entire life. He's moving from this huge property to a to a onebedroom. He's
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renting a bedroom from his buddy, right? He's auctioning off stuff at his home and property. And as we said, he's got
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multiple vehicles. He's get there's a small boat on the property. There's lots of furniture. So, you know, you don't
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have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure out this guy's days away from closing on the
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sale of his home and property. He's auctioning off stuff at his home. He So, he's spotted by multiple people that
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day. Of course, the timing, right? We we can't get great confirmation of was it 2
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p.m. or 5:00 p.m. 5:30 p.m. Of course, the timing is imperative to the missing person's search and investigation.
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However, there was absolutely foul play in this case and I believe whatever went
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down, it happened much later than five or 5:30 p.m. that Wednesday night or it happened in the morning. Right. Correct.
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Well, yes. I I think it's fair to say the morning. I The problem here is we don't get a time on when the buyer
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showed up to the property and said that they couldn't find Yeah. that they couldn't find Terry. But the other
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difficult thing here though for me is you have this guy. He's he's a grandpa. Everybody says he's a he's a fun guy. He
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likes to laugh. Six grandkids. He likes to joke around. He has a has a good friendship. You know, he's almost 70
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years old and has a good friendship where they're going to partner up and it's probably going to save him some
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money and hassle with I mean 40 acres is a lot to take care of. And then you have
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this auction like you said that makes a lot of sense because we're going to sell
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a bunch of my items because I can't take those with me before the auction happens
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and before the sale of the house. Is there anybody that would benefit from him not being able to sell the property?
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Because I could see a situation where you go, "Well, this guy's going to sell the house and he's going to sell every
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item he owns and maybe he's going to end up blowing all his money." Mhm. And he's
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going to leave me with nothing. Yes, that would be a concern for someone, I would guess. But and you have to look at
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it it under that lens. Now, back to his property. We do know the pond was searched. The property was searched. The
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sheriff was doing their due diligence on that regard. Now, one thing that Terry's
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daughter Carrie's going to push back on big time is there's blood found inside the home. This would be near the broken
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chair, the chair that he always sat in, the chair that he sometimes fell asleep in. I think I've seen pictures of this
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crime scene. And I say it's that because I think whatever went down to explain Terry's disappearance is something
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happened inside that home. And that blood is indicative that it happened there. Something happened started or
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ended there. And what I think is unfair though is in a lot of the news coverage of this case, it's described as a pool
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of blood, which which I think when people try to imagine that they're picturing a very kind of large puddle of
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blood. That is not the case here from the images that that I've seen and I've seen a couple of images of this crime
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scene. It's it's a large enough amount of blood that you that somebody should have concern especially with somebody
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missing. But it's also a a smaller amount of blood that where if if there was no one missing, you could you could
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walk into that room and go, "Oh man, somebody sliced open their finger." You know, it's it's I would describe it in
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that manner. But there was blood found near the broken chair. So if I have a big coffee mug and I place it on this
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pool of blood, does it cover it up or do I do I need a a saucer? Do I need a saucer? Do I need a a large plate? Would
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a large plate cover it up? No, it's more like a a bathmat would cover it up. And
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and and again, it's not like a solid puddle of blood. It's it's more like spatter, right? And we also have Carrie
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who would later tell different news outlets that she specifically told the sheriff there's no way her dad walked
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away, whether on purpose or he bumps his head and he's confused and walked away.
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She says Terry recently had a couple of surgeries, so he wasn't very mobile. In fact, there was a brace that was
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necessary for him to use just to walk around. That brace was found with Terry's other belongings at his house.
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Further, Terry had a medical rod in his back. Carrie McCoy said, "It made me sick to my stomach." She's talking about
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her interaction with the sheriff and and what she describes is their lack of urgency and concern in this matter. She
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states, quote, "My dad couldn't even get his mail. He would drive to his [Music]
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of the search was Terry's property, including an extensive search of the pond and the search of the area
00:29:45
surrounding this property. The the pond, as said, was large and it was drained. Nothing was
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found. If you go looking for pictures on the interwebs with uh Terry McCoy, one picture that's very it's like cute and
00:30:01
endearing, but it's also very heartbreaking at the same time. It's a picture of him holding a duck. So, that
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duck pond was a big part of of his love of this property. And those ducks and geese that were on that pond, they were
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like considered his his pets. Um, and so we should point out here, I think that one big portion of this story that isn't
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said and outright, but it's an underlining important part of this story. He's moving there because of
00:30:33
these surgeries, because he lives on this huge property that he can no longer take care of, and he's downsizing his
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went with that year. And I'm somebody that experienced my own complications, but they pale in comparison to what this
00:30:58
older gentleman was experiencing with surgeries and such. As said, many members of the community join the
00:31:05
search. One such person was Drew Donnelly, who told the local news, "Nobody had anything ever bad to say
00:31:12
about Terry. He was a well-liked person." And Drew goes on to talk about how nice of a community Weaten is and
00:31:20
how great the people there are, adding Weaten is such a great place to live and it's probably why Terry came to live
00:31:27
here with us. Terry's daughter Carrie says the support from the Weaten community was overwhelming. From what
00:31:34
I've seen and heard in my research, this is most certainly a wonderful community.
00:31:40
However, over 800 episodes of True Crime Garage will tell you that very bad stuff
00:31:45
can still happen in very nice areas and communities. We volunteers join family, friends, and law enforcement in a search
00:31:53
that stretched out over the course of 19 days looking for Terry McCoy before his
00:31:59
body was eventually found on July 6th. This was a Monday. Now, oddly enough, it took this amount of time to find his
00:32:09
body. And when the body was found, it was found at the same time that K1 News was interviewing Terry's son,
00:32:17
Brock, and Terry's daughter, Carrie, for the news. From the clip that I saw, it appears that they were not notified
00:32:25
until sometime after filming had stopped, right? And of course, they very likely needed to confirm identification.
00:32:33
The announcement was the Traverse County Sheriff's Office announced it had recovered a man's body from the river
00:32:41
Monday with the help of the Douglas County Water Rescue, the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, and the Wheaten
00:32:46
Police Department. The announcement stated the recovery of an adult male body from the Mustinka River norththeast
00:32:55
of Wheaton. The body is being transported to the Ramsey County Medical Examiner's Office for an autopsy and
00:33:02
positive identification. Where the body was found, where the body was spotted, this is near a small bridge going over
00:33:10
the river. Mhm. And this was spotted by two civilians that called it in. Authorities later confirmed that it was
00:33:16
in fact the body of Terry McCoy. My guess, Captain, I couldn't find confirmation of this, but I think he was
00:33:23
in the water the entire time that they were looking for him. I think he was killed the night before he was reported
00:33:29
missing. He was killed at his home inside and then somehow transported that night to the location where his he was
00:33:37
eventually found. Yeah. And I've seen different reports. I mean, one of them is that he's found basically in a creek
00:33:43
bed. Um, but 11 miles from the home, that's a large radius for law enforcement to be able to search. Yes,
00:33:52
11 miles. I do want to point out something here. Jumping ahead a little bit, this location of where the body was
00:33:58
recovered from the river is reported as several different distances from Terry McCoy's home. I personally, however,
00:34:05
believe the far most credible sources say that the body was found 7 miles from his home. But again, it's reported multi
00:34:13
7 mi, 9 miles, 11 miles. I've seen one report that said 20 m, but there there are a couple very credible sources that
00:34:20
state 7 miles. So, with nothing less to go on, I'm going to go with that. Again, this is by
00:34:28
a small bridge going over the river. He could have been dropped from above. Note, this is not a high bridge at all.
00:34:35
Or he could have been dragged down and rolled in. But if you use that method, you're going to have to get in there
00:34:41
with the body and move it to the center of the river. I I wouldn't creek bed makes it sound like too shallow for me.
00:34:49
Um or any description like that. I just think that that can't be accurate because of a couple of details that we
00:34:59
learn about where the body's recovered from. One, the body was nude and was successfully weighted down for a period
00:35:08
of time. This and they recovered this item. This with 150 lbs of log chain. Yeah, that's on purpose. Yes. You you
00:35:18
wrap the body in this log chain and then you put it in the deepest part of the water and you hope that it never
00:35:24
surfaces. And likely what happened is at some point he surfaced and and they may
00:35:29
have walked over this portion or walked by or even absorbed this area or observed this area earlier and not found
00:35:38
him and that would be because he was successfully waited down for a period of time. I couldn't get my hands on the
00:35:46
actual autopsy report. However, one of the details from that report that has been released showed that McCoy, Terry
00:35:54
McCoy had been shot in the back of the head. Yeah. Somebody that knew he was going to be asleep in his chair. I I
00:36:01
think the other thing here is like you said, there's not a lot of reports about this autopsy other than, you know, the
00:36:08
Ramsey County Medical Examiner. They ruled it a homicide obviously because of the gunshot, but uh I wish there was a
00:36:15
little bit more because he's not a tiny guy. No. So, this doesn't seem to me to be a oneperson job. Some speculation
00:36:26
here. Some garage speculation. Give it to me. I would have to believe that they know the caliber of of the
00:36:34
bullet in the gun. Definitely. Bingo. Boingo. Well, we can't say definitely because we have reviewed at least one
00:36:40
case where the perpetrator went to extensive efforts to cover that up and and we to
00:36:48
in that case do not know the caliber of gun that was used. But the way that he is recovered, the brief description we
00:36:57
get, I think bingo is appropriate there, Captain. I think one could could go 99%
00:37:03
bingo on on this. And I don't want to get too descriptive on the ways that that one would
00:37:10
successfully conceal what kind of caliber of gun it was used. So, I think that that's hold back information. The
00:37:16
other item, as you pointed out, 250 pounds. He's not a small guy. If he was in fact killed inside his home,
00:37:25
anybody, I mean, unless you're Andre the Giant, you need help moving this this body or you got to get creative to It's
00:37:33
possible that Macho Man or Hulk Hogan might have been able to move him, but again, very large and and I'd almost
00:37:41
argue maybe more than two people. The the problem like you said is because the house sits back and because of the
00:37:49
landscaping, is it possible that nobody saw anybody go to his house or did somebody park uh a ways away? But the
00:37:58
problem with them parking a ways away is you have to then move the body. But yeah, and the size of the property and
00:38:06
the way that it's situated there, I I think it would be highly unlikely that people would have a good idea that
00:38:14
anybody was coming and going from that property during the day and at night. And the thing here is, keep in mind, if
00:38:23
he's weighted down with this chain, that's an additional 150 lbs. Wow. And my guess is I think he was rolled and
00:38:32
dropped off the bridge because I think that that started the I think that loosened him up from the weight and that
00:38:38
started the process of of him surfacing. And I'll say this, this case is not it looks like it's been heading in the
00:38:46
right direction for some time. I'm fearful that they've hit a giant roadblock here. And my the other concern
00:38:55
I have is that had this person or persons been successful in concealing this body, we we would have been 10
00:39:03
steps behind where we are right now in the in the investigation. Yeah. And they might never have found the body and
00:39:11
correct. And also that's what I'm saying. Had they been successful, we would have never recovered him and and
00:39:16
we we wouldn't know about the gunshot wound. One thing I would want to look at too is this log chain. So 150 lbs of log
00:39:24
chain. It gets difficult to make a great determination if something came from his
00:39:30
property due just to the nature and size of his property. But I would be talking
00:39:36
with the people that visit that property often, his loved ones that knew him best
00:39:41
and trying to confirm did was that something that the killer used that they had access to or was that something that
00:39:49
the killer retrieved from Terry's property and used it because he because he or she had to. There could be
00:39:56
identifiers on that chain of where it was purchased or maybe where it was stored or or who it belonged to. Of
00:40:06
course, you're going to have that same thought with the with the bullet. And so those are some of your those are some of
00:40:12
your leads there. And then your other leads are as the captain said, who who would have a
00:40:19
motive to kill this this older gentleman, this peaceful man? And as said the the community in the community,
00:40:27
Terry was known for being nothing but a kind soul. A celebration of life brunch was held on Saturday, August 1st. This
00:40:36
was at Evergreen Null Park. And then a graveside service will was at St. Michael's Cemetery. This is in
00:40:46
Farmington, Minnesota. I mean, if I'm law enforcement, I'm I'm asking the community, is there is there any person
00:40:53
that we know that had any vendetta or anything against Terry? Was there any recent argument made? And if not, okay,
00:41:03
fine. Moving on from there, then I'm looking into who called to tell us that he was missing, the buyers of his
00:41:10
property. And then I'm asking around. I'm talking to family members. I'm talking to friends. I'm asking them,
00:41:16
were they suspicious at all that he was going to back out of the deal? I believe
00:41:21
that the purchase agreement was already signed and they were just waiting for closing. So, that seems a little
00:41:28
far-fetched and it also kind of seems far-fetched that they would be the ones to to alert the police that he was
00:41:35
missing. But, we've seen Stranger Things. So, I'm I'm looking into them. And then you have to look into the
00:41:42
family. I believe he has a daughter and a son. Were they against the selling of this property? Did one of them want or
00:41:51
wish that their dad would gift them the property or take the property and maybe devalue it a little bit so they could
00:41:59
move in and keep the the property in their family? I mean, it's 40 acres. That's a big deal. And there are some
00:42:07
children of parents that get attached to a property and hope that the property remains within their family. And so, and
00:42:16
I think if the family is going to be honest with themselves, they should expect that they're going to be looked
00:42:22
into as, you know, possibilities cuz we don't have really any sign of breaking and entering. So then the question
00:42:29
becomes, does Terry just leave his house unlocked or do other individuals have keys? And so th those are the people
00:42:37
that I look into first. Commonly, there are five reasons that person A would want to kill person B, right? Motive.
00:42:44
What was the motive for the murder? One, jealousy. Two, revenge. Three, greed. Four, power and control. Five, covering
00:42:52
up another crime. So in this case, which is not always the case, I think we have
00:42:58
some very obvious persons of interest here, people to to start with in your investigation. And look, we pointed out
00:43:05
earlier that the the the sale of this home was complicated more so than most house sales, right? Part of this was
00:43:15
according to Terry's friend Mike, Terry had told Mike that, and I'll pull this right from
00:43:22
K News. He says Terry was ready to sell and move on to the next chapter of life.
00:43:30
Quote, he wanted to sell it, meaning the home and property. He was happy because
00:43:34
he was going to have money in his pocket and he was going to come here, Mike recalls. Then he wanted to take a couple
00:43:41
of trips with the money, probably grow old here, too, until we got tired of each other or whatever. Okay, now we
00:43:48
already pointed out that he it's very obvious to me that Terry is moving and selling this property completely out of
00:43:54
necessity. This is not something that he wants to do. If he was if he was very healthy and very active and going to be
00:44:00
able to be active, he would stay at this property. His life has changed due to these surgeries and due to his advanced
00:44:06
age. He needs to move on to that new chapter of his life. Yeah. Very expensive to hire the help to take care
00:44:14
of the 40 acres. Yes. And I would guess based off of his education and his his career background that he would have
00:44:22
some retirement money coming in or at least social security. So he does have that income. However, one of the
00:44:29
complicated parts of this the sale of this home is the agreement with the buyer is that the buyers would pay would
00:44:37
would pay him the amount of the that he still owed on the mortgage. So, they would relieve him of that mortgage
00:44:43
payment and then he was going to receive his words to Mike were $25,000 to maybe
00:44:50
$30,000 cash under the table. Now, that sounds very strange and maybe like a shaky shady deal here, but again,
00:45:00
I hate to keep barking up this tree, but it was the co year. Things were different. And a lot of times, somebody
00:45:08
could offer you more than what a bank will value your home at, right? To to to secure, hey, I fell in love with this
00:45:17
property. I fell in love with this house. We got to have it. This is the one. This is the one right here. And oh,
00:45:23
the guy wants let's to just to these are numbers are not specific to this case. We're just coming up with hypothetical
00:45:31
numbers. The guy wants $125,000, but the bank says that the home is only worth $100,000. So the bank is only going to
00:45:41
give the new buyer a loan for the $100,000. Why? Because if the buyer moves in and stops paying the mortgage,
00:45:51
they come and take the home. Well, they can't recoup the their full loan amount if the home isn't worth the loan amount.
00:45:59
Now, in this case, the seller wants X amount of dollars for the home. And so, the buyer and seller come to an
00:46:07
agreement that, oh, here's the bank saying that I'm preapproved to for this loan amount for the sale of your home. I
00:46:14
understand you want more than that. I will give you cash or I will write you a check. Now, where I get concerned and
00:46:22
where I think some people should get concerned is two $25,000 cash or check is a lot of money. That's motive. And
00:46:31
maybe not a whole lot of people know about that. But what person would know about that? The buyers. The buyers would
00:46:36
absolutely know about that. However, I do want to point out here, I don't think, and there's nothing to suggest
00:46:42
that that cash or check or whatever it was to be had actually exchanged hands. Now, if it wouldn't make any sense
00:46:50
either to kill the seller so you can avoid paying the $25,000 on top of the mortgage because
00:46:58
whoever the home and property goes to may not agree with the sale of the house to you.
00:47:04
Yeah. But, but here's what happened, though. I mean the but the the buyers would know that the purchase agreement
00:47:13
had already been signed. So after we find Terry murdered this uh the property sale becomes a legal dispute and the the
00:47:24
that's the key word a dispute. So you wouldn't kill the seller to chance that you won't get the house. Not a a smart
00:47:32
person wouldn't because it would be a dispute. It wouldn't be a guarantee that you're you're getting the home for a
00:47:38
cheaper amount, but but they but they did know that the purchase agreement was signed. So, I think that would lean in
00:47:46
their favor. And I'm not saying look, I'm not saying I'm just saying that if you're law enforcement, you have to
00:47:54
you have to go over this this family with a fine tooth comb. 100%. I just want to make it clear that it would it
00:48:02
would seem to be a really backwards idea if your motive for murdering this guy was getting the house and property at a
00:48:11
cheaper amount. You risk losing the house and property altogether. It it I don't think a smart person would make
00:48:19
that move. It wouldn't be an intelligent move. Now, so you got to look at the at
00:48:25
the Drew Wick family at the buyers. Of course, you're going to look at them. However, what we do know is looking back
00:48:31
in hindsight, this them taking over the property in the house gets locked up in the courts for a very long time after
00:48:40
Terry McCoy's death without being privy to certain information that the sheriff's office is and the Minnesota
00:48:47
Bureau of Criminal Apprehension is privy to. I'm comfortable moving on from the buyers as as what I would say moving
00:48:57
them from persons of interest to an actual suspect. You also bring up a good point here, Captain. You have children
00:49:06
of this guy that might have a vested interest in the property or the money that comes from the sale of that
00:49:14
property. And we've seen in some cases where you go, "Oh, so and so you were, hey, you were due to inherit x amount of
00:49:23
dollars and x amount of property. Why wouldn't you just wait for your your mom or dad or parents were getting old, why
00:49:30
didn't why wouldn't you just wait?" And some people can't wait. Some people can't wait for, as as disturbing as this
00:49:38
sounds, some people can't wait for mom or dad to die to get their hands on whatever it is that they're hoping to
00:49:45
inherit. As we said, motive number three, greed. Financial gains such as inheriting money, insurance payouts, or
00:49:51
eliminating business rivals can motivate individuals to kill other individuals. One of the reasons why we're covering
00:49:57
this case is because of Terry's daughter saying, "Hey, this is an injustice and we need information." And if you're the
00:50:05
one that started the fire, you normally don't uh go around and and and try to gather up information to or put a
00:50:15
spotlight on this crime, if that makes any sense. You know what I mean? like, well, she's the one that appears to be
00:50:23
very heartbroken and and look, I we we've seen what that can be a put on. That can be a dog and pony show. With
00:50:31
her, I feel like it's genuine. And with her, you're right. I think pointing out that she is offering up money for
00:50:38
information in this case. I've seen it reported $3,000, also reported $5,000. I think some of the confusion is that I do
00:50:46
believe the sheriff went and asked and requested for additional monies to be added from the community to that reward
00:50:55
money. And so there is a reward out there for information. And Carrie's concern of course she wants to get
00:51:01
justice for her father. But but a growing concern of hers has to be that this investigation is dragging on and
00:51:07
on. And it's 2025 now. We're getting very close to five years that this poor man has been killed. And and I don't
00:51:15
know that they're much closer to figuring it out or having the evidence to bring someone to court than what they
00:51:23
had about a year to a year and a half into this investigation. Now, part of that could come from another person of
00:51:31
interest. Now, this would go to a different motive, and that motive would be revenge.
00:51:37
And we say revenge here because there's somebody that the public looked at with a side eye here. This is Pastor Danny
00:51:46
Barnes. So Danny Barnes has a record uh a wrap sheet. He's got past convictions. He was a pastor at one time
00:51:56
in the Wheaten area. From my understanding, one of the the big things that he did with his ministry was he ran
00:52:04
a halfway house. This is a long time ago. This would be captain, I would say, early
00:52:12
2000s. So, he was trying to help former inmates, which he was a former inmate at
00:52:18
one time himself, right? He was trying to assist these men when they get out with drug and alcohol
00:52:27
rehabilitation. Now, through his work, he gets involved in some shady business himself. This is very this is quite
00:52:37
complicated. So I I'm even hesitant to try to tell this story, but the short of it is this
00:52:45
pastor, he gets convicted of basically a home invasion and assault. Now, it sounds like he and some of the other
00:52:56
guys from the church were trying to force one of the church members sons into a rehab and that they did it by
00:53:08
force. They were pretty aggressive and yeah, not the way to go. Well, they beat the guy pretty bad from my
00:53:14
understanding. Um, that's a very weird intervention. Yeah. And so they were going to try to forcefully put this guy
00:53:20
in rehab and then of course thankfully the law steps in. There's charges there's charges brought against these
00:53:29
guys and then Barnes goes back to prison for a while. A big part of this story is
00:53:33
there were people about a dozen people that testified against this Danny Barnes at his trial and he gets sent away for I
00:53:42
think his with with all the charges once you total them up I think he was looking
00:53:47
at 11 years in prison he got out after about 10. One of the persons who testified against him was Terry Lee
00:53:56
McCoy. And the way that Barnes gets back into being looked at for the murder of McCoy is he after McCoy goes missing,
00:54:07
he's back in town and he's got a group of people with him and he's out searching for McCoy while he's still
00:54:12
missing. Remember, he was missing for almost 20 days, right? And people were suspicious of this because they're like,
00:54:18
"Look, this guy hasn't lived here for quite some time. What's he doing back here? Why is he searching for this guy
00:54:25
who testified against him? And he's known for breaking into people's houses and he's known for being violent, right?
00:54:32
So, this is a this is a shady dude or at least was at a period of time of his life. Now, the what complicates this
00:54:40
case? Let's say that you like him as your prime suspect. Well, he passes away from CO I believe it was about a year
00:54:49
after the murder of McCoy. So, if he's your number one guy, well, that is that's a dead end. It's that's not going
00:54:57
anywhere. Even if you think that it's him, you could build you could you could build a case against him, but he's not
00:55:03
going to serve any time, right? You're not going to be able to take him to court. Now, he this dude though, I will
00:55:09
give him credit for this. This dude, Danny Barnes, he's an open book. He sits down with the news and he says, "Look,
00:55:17
I've talked to police. I was just trying to help find the guy. Um, and oh, by the
00:55:23
way, there's like he's one of a dozen people who testified against me. The rest of those people are still alive and
00:55:29
well. Yeah. And look, the guy had a rap sheet. He was a criminal. He gets out. He becomes a pastor. There is a there's
00:55:36
a very good possibility that all this guy was trying to do was to move on. And and one of the biggest things,
00:55:44
especially if you you have a Christian mindset, is forgiveness. this guy knows he did something wrong.
00:55:51
It's not Terry's fault that he testified against me. I'm the one that did something wrong. If that's how the guy
00:55:57
viewed it, it's again, but if you're law enforcement, these are what you have to
00:56:02
go down. You have to go you got to look at the buyers. Then you got to look at the friends and family. And then you
00:56:08
have to look at anybody else that could benefit anything. And now we have this wrench that Terry testified against this
00:56:16
individual that we know has broken into houses. We know he can be violent. So now you got to look into him. But the
00:56:23
other tough thing too is is there something or was there something going on in Terry's life that nobody was privy
00:56:32
to? And I think that's certainly a possibility. What makes the the the case complicated? Well, and we referenced
00:56:40
earlier that, hey, who would have known about what was going on with the sale of
00:56:44
the house? I 100%. All right, let's Barnes is dead and gone. Could he be a good suspect? Probably. Should you look
00:56:53
at him? Yes. Should he be investigated? Absolutely. However, the timing of all this, and you know me, I say this week
00:57:01
in week out. I I I'm a big believer that a lot of these homicides, the timing of
00:57:08
them is not coincidental. It this being just days before closing on the sale of his home, I think has everything the
00:57:18
sale of this home has everything to do with why poor old Terry McCoy was killed. I absolutely believe that. And I
00:57:27
think that somebody realized there was a deadline, there was there was a cut off
00:57:31
point. And if I'm going to do something that I've been thinking about doing, I' i've got to do it soon. I've got to act
00:57:38
soon. And I know we've said this a million times before, and we'll say it a million times again. Somebody knows
00:57:44
something and somebody needs to say something. Well, and let me let me play this for you here, Captain, as we move
00:57:51
into another person of interest and and the person that I think is is the best person of interest. Please bring our dad
00:57:59
home. Please bring our dad home. On July 6th, the 19th day Terry was missing. We
00:58:06
interviewed his son Brock and daughter Carrie. It had to be somebody that knew him. Somebody knew that he lived alone.
00:58:13
Somebody knew that he was there at that farm at that time of night alone. Little
00:58:18
did we know. Now, that is the interview that was being conducted by Kore at the same time that the body was
00:58:30
being pulled from the river. And the person that you heard there that said, "Please bring our dad home." Somebody
00:58:37
knows something. Somebody knows that he was alone at home that night on the farm
00:58:42
alone that night is his son Brock. One of the people that knew that he was home alone on the property that night would
00:58:51
be his son Brock, right? And that is the person that I want everybody to draw a big circle around him because he looks
00:59:01
very suspicious where you you could you could look at all these other people and
00:59:04
say, "Hey, I see a motive here." I ask you then, show me the evidence. And that's where those trails drop very
00:59:13
quickly. With Brock, I believe that we have some evidence. So, we have information that has been brought to law
00:59:22
enforcement that says that Brock was very unhappy with his father. He was concerned that his father was selling
00:59:30
his home and property for pennies on the dollar. That the two didn't speak. They
00:59:35
didn't get along. that uh Brock was jealous of some of the grandkids and and property that he thought that some of
00:59:43
the grandkids were going to be receiving after the sale of this home. And again,
00:59:48
Brock knew that his dad, whether he talked to him or not, knew that this guy lived alone and would be home alone. And
00:59:56
I want there the picture that I referenced earlier with the broken chair and the little bit of blood behind where
01:00:03
the the chair is. I studied that picture a good deal and one thing that's not brought up anywhere is some of the other
01:00:12
items that I can see in that photograph. Okay. Often brought up is his shoes. You
01:00:17
see his shoes sitting there and they're, you know, he couldn't have left on his own. There's his shoes. Yeah. Okay. What
01:00:23
else I see in that picture is what appears to me to be two bags. These are the the fancy bags that when you
01:00:31
purchase a Crown Royal a bottle of Crown Royal whiskey, they come in that royal purple bag. And there are two of those
01:00:41
bags that I believe I'm seeing in this photograph. There's also a picture of something. It might be lemonade. I can't
01:00:48
tell. But what this tells me when you tell me that's Terry's chair, that's the chair he sat in every night. That's the
01:00:55
chair he sometimes, maybe even most nights fell asleep in. And I see crowned royal bags in that same picture next to
01:01:02
that chair. Terry was having a very difficult time getting around and walking. That's why he sold his
01:01:08
property. He was selling his property. That he didn't want to sell his property. The those ducks, those geese,
01:01:13
that pond, that was his life, man. That was his reason for getting up in the morning. But his reason for I believe
01:01:20
his reason for going to bed each night was that crown royal. I think the old dude deserved it and he earned it and he
01:01:27
sat there in that chair probably most nights sipping Crown Royal and he would doze off. Now son would know that. And
01:01:36
on top of that, what what am I seeing in the picture? I think that crown royal bag and that pitcher of lemonade are
01:01:42
there because he probably had to if he had to refill his drink makes more sense for to him to be right there by him
01:01:49
because he can't get up in the middle of the night to refill that drink without having some pain or complications
01:01:55
getting around. And I think that I think there's a good chance that this son Brock was very upset for a multitude of
01:02:03
reasons about the sale of this property. And I think he thought he could stop it
01:02:08
and he was going to use whatever means necessary to do so. Now, we do know that there were other people that shared this
01:02:16
suspicion. Those people are the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension, BCA. They were looking at
01:02:26
Brock. And I believe they if they if they've moved on, I I want to know why because I think you still should be
01:02:34
looking at Brock. Brock that night at the time, Captain, he was living three hours away. Three hours away. That makes
01:02:42
it difficult, right? He was living in Minneapolis, right? However, he's living at a sober
01:02:47
home at the time. He's absent from the sober home that night, according to the people that live there. Fishy. Yeah.
01:02:56
I've never been in one myself. Probably only a few weeks away. But my understanding, there's a bit of a roll
01:03:03
call that's taken. There's attendance that's taken at these locations because a lot of times you are sometimes you're
01:03:08
there. I don't know what what's the particulars of this sober home, but sometimes you're there because the state
01:03:14
says you need to be there. It's a halfway house. Mhm. I don't know that to be the situation here, but what I do
01:03:20
know is we have people that were there that says Brock was not there that night. Yeah. No alibi. Not only that,
01:03:26
he's gone for like 11 or 12 hours, unaccounted for for 11 or 12 hours. So yeah, he lives 3 hours away, but you
01:03:33
could drive 3 hours one way, have 5 hours to do something, and then still have 3 hours to get back. And you said
01:03:41
that there's Crown Royal bags, but there's not the actual Crown Royal is there. Well, the one bag is standing up,
01:03:49
so I'm assuming there's something inside of it. Um, and the most likely thing to
01:03:54
be inside of that Crown Royal bag would be Crown Royal. Let's take a look at this information here.
01:04:02
So, what we get is he originally says that he's at the sober house. So, house police look into this and they go,
01:04:10
"Sover house says you you weren't there." And a search warrant of Brock McCoyy's cell phone found that on June
01:04:20
17th, 2020, that's the night that I believe that his father was killed. This is at
01:04:27
approximately 21 hours. So 2131 hours. This would be central time. Brock's device sent an
01:04:36
outgoing text message to a contact that was in his phone. And it states, you can
01:04:42
clearly tell this is somebody that's at the sober house. And this is probably somebody that said, "No, dude. The guy
01:04:46
wasn't there that night." So the text that Brock sends to explain why he's unaccounted for says, "Hey buddy, I'm at
01:04:54
HCMC hospital. I have an infection in my wound." Gross. He doesn't say gross. I'm
01:04:59
adding that they have me on IV antibiotics, but should be able to come home. Will you let everyone know what's
01:05:07
going on? That AA group is supposed to be at the house tonight, and I really didn't want to miss that, but that's how
01:05:14
my life is sometimes. I've been feeling like death for two days. Thanks, buddy. Enjoy that meeting. Law enforcement goes
01:05:21
to HCMC hospital to check their records. They have no record of Brock McCoy. No medical records or EMS records for June
01:05:33
17th or June 18th. So, we got for him being at the hospital. And further phone records say that Brock McCoy's last
01:05:43
phone contact was at approximately 2146 hours central time. So for those that don't know military time, the text
01:05:51
that we referenced was sent at 9:30 at approximately 9:30 p.m. And then there was a last phone contact registered at
01:06:01
about 15 minutes later at 9:46 p.m. that night. His phone goes offline. There's a window of over 13
01:06:09
hours on June 17th to June 18th, 2020 during which Brock McCoyy's phone does not register at any tower location. And
01:06:20
that's fishy. Yes. So, two lies and then a window of time of 13 hours where he is
01:06:27
completely off the grid and unaccounted for. And look, sometimes we have to keep in mind too,
01:06:34
we went over those five most common motives for murder, but we also have to keep in mind that murder is a
01:06:43
multiaceted issue, often between two individuals or multiple individuals. And here, I think we have multiple motives
01:06:52
if in fact Brock is the best guy to look at. We have the the greed, the financial
01:06:57
gain portion. We have the jealousy portion. We have the revenge portion. He has all these open concerns and it's
01:07:04
well noted by people that know Brock and know of Terry of this rift between their in
01:07:11
their relationship. I wonder what Terry's daughter thinks of the brother being a person of interest. I would like
01:07:18
to know as well. I do know that as we said earlier here, Captain Ka RE11 has done gang busters work on this
01:07:27
investigation. Really good work by their investigative journalists and reporters
01:07:31
over there. So, we give them big kudos. We we have them on record multiple times
01:07:37
saying after his father's body was found and after it was known to the local media that Brock was being looked at and
01:07:46
considered a person of interest by the investigating agencies that since then he has yes he's he's denied involvement
01:07:55
but he's not responsive to interviews not responsive to giving a comment when they've attempted to follow up with him
01:08:04
And again, what we do see is proof, absolute proof of two lies and then a big window of time where he's
01:08:11
unaccounted for. Anyone with any information relating to the still unsolved homicide of Terry McCoy is
01:08:17
asked to contact the Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension tip line. This is
01:08:23
at 18779966222. You can remain anonymous if you wish by contacting Crimestoppers of
01:08:33
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device. Want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every week. Thanks for telling your
01:08:57
mother. Thanks for telling your brother. Colonel, do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners?
01:09:03
Yeah. And if you don't like your mother or brother, tell your friends, right? Tell them. Not don't tell them that you
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01:09:26
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