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that is enough for the business all right everybody gather round grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
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crime [Music] Ward Weaver III his claims of being the number one suspect or at least being one
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of the top suspects in The Disappearance of two young teenage girls might be right because at some point we know the
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police in Oregon City began to intensify their focus on Ward Weaver what if they
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didn't at First Once you make these claims on public TV Maybe that gave them the inkling that they
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shouldn't make him the number one suspect yeah and while they were searching into all of these suspects you
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know we mentioned that at one time they said the suspect pool was as many as 30 suspects and then whittled down to 20
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maybe 10 according to the FBI there's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes here you know especially regarding Ward
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Weaver III the authorities collected his work records they were looking into his
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whereabouts on the two days in question they were reviewing statements given by other people in the
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neighborhood right asking questions to those people regarding his close ties to Ashley one of the missing girls and they
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even took search dogs out to rural spots where Ward Weaver liked to camp now Weaver who has been divorced twice by
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this point he has five children he was described by police as a violent man with an explosive temper and we know
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that to be fact based off of his criminal past and according to County Law Enforcement
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records police have been dispatched to Weaver's home 10 times since November of 2000. So within a span of less than two
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years ten times they were called out to Ward Weaver's home many of these calls were domestic in nature yeah they
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weren't just going out there to give him like the citizen of the Year Award right
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right then in late June of 2002 two detectives even made a trip to Idaho to interview Rodney Weaver remember this is
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his half-brother now even though Rodney hadn't seen his brother in over a year police wanted to speak with him he told
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the police he never met Ashley or Miranda the two potential victims but he did tell investigators about the time
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that they went camping in rural Malala now that has come up in a case that we covered before that that
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whole area there uh this is an area that was searched by cadaver dogs regarding the investigation into Ward Weaver now
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moving down our timeline a bit unbeknownst to police Rodney Weaver spoke with his brother via phone call
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this is around the first or second week of August 2002. now during these phone calls Ward Weaver told his half-brother
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he was sick of the police following him around town he was sick of them tapping his phone lines and sick of the town
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that was calling him a suspect award Weaver III was almost finished packing his things according to what he told his
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brother and he was planning to move out of state possibly to Idaho Washington State or maybe even to Mexico then in a
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dramatic change of events on August 13 2002 Ward Weaver's oldest son Francis Weaver contacted 9-1-1 and reported that
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his father had attempted to rape francis's 19 year old girlfriend Francis urged the dispatcher to send police and
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before Francis hung up the phone he told the dispatcher that his father Ward Weaver III told him he had murdered both
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Ashley and Miranda police arrested Ward Weaver holding him on one million dollars bond this was just for the rape
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allegations of his son's girlfriend his son Francis was being questioned regarding his statement to the
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dispatcher regarding the missing girls Francis like his father had his own troubles with the law
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in fact in 1999 Francis Weaver shot a rifle into a truckload of teens injuring his best friend this was in Idaho north
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of Twin Falls he was charged with aggravated assault a felony and served several weeks in a Juvenile Detention
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Facility all right so we have Francis which is the son of Ward Weaver III yes sir so he's shooting
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into he's shooting at Cars full of people so he's a [ __ ] bag his father's a [ __ ] bag and we know Ward Weavers the
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third's father is a [ __ ] bag Junior so he's a very violent family we have generations of of
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wildly Violent Men so we have his family right so the the [ __ ] sandwich doesn't
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fall too far from the [ __ ] tree or something like that well that sandwich would be like a club sandwich
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or a a Big Mac Club you know a sandwich where you have three layers to it it'd be a Whopper is what you're saying a
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[ __ ] Whopper well the first thing that that drove me crazy when I was looking into this case is the smell
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um no these allegations by Francis Weaver right because you're talking about this
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is like months and months later after both these girls went missing and he's saying to the 911 dispatcher hey my
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father told me that he abducted and killed those two girls but when though because if it was months ago then
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you're just kind of proven that how big of a pizza well and that's that's what I was
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wondering I'm like how long did Francis Weaver sit on this information however it looks to me like Francis Weaver
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actually lived most of the time with his brother's uh with his father's half-brother right and it looks like he
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would come and stay from time to time with his father so Francis Weaver may not have known this information until
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very shortly before calling 9-1-1 in fact learning this information may have come about because of the attack on his
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girlfriend I couldn't find anything out there to definitively State when Francis
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Weaver was claims that he heard this confession from his father that he had killed those two girls right so right
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and then authorities could be this going you're making this up well either way that we know the allegations of his
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father trying to rape his girlfriend that's for reals yes and that's what they're going to
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hold Ward Weaver the Third on on that rape allegation and you hit the nail on the head there Captain because some of
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the investigators they believed Francis Weaver's claims heck most of them thought Ward Weaver was their guy even
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before the new rape allegations but there were some that wondered if Francis made up that part of the story you know
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of his dad having killed the girls because he was simply angry about the attack on his girlfriend knowing that
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his father might have already been a suspect in those cases yeah and you would be mad and should be mad the other
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thing was the exact uh under questioning the exact details of that confession from father to son uh the way that
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Francis would tell the investigators about that those details change from time to time in francis's story
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so that called it into question a little more yeah but regardless uh Francis Weaver did maintain that his father
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confessed to him that he killed the girls well and the tricky thing here though is
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the confession to him could have been very small as far as details go and then they
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start asking you for more details and you don't know so therefore you start making those up you also have to wonder
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was that actually some kind of threat that Ward Weaver posed to francis's girlfriend and that maybe Francis didn't
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hear it directly from his father's mouth you know during the course of attacking
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that that woman uh francis's girlfriend was that part of the threats that were made because we've covered other cases
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where we have repeat offenders when they are going after a victim and things aren't going their way they will use
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anything as a threat well and you have again Ward Weaver III which is a a big [ __ ] a Big Mac
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and then we have the Whopper of a [ __ ] Francis then you start wondering maybe they both were involved possibly but
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again it's very likely Francis Weaver wasn't even in all right that's right you know because it doesn't seem to be
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that that was his main residence well I probably would have if I was the lead detective on this that would have
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demoted me right there you would have got put back on that hey wait a minute we need you to answer the
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phones for a few months Captain didn't Nick just say he lived with his brother's half brother you're on bicycle
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Patrol that's um give me horse Duty the the uh where we grew up Captain I nobody
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has directly said this to me but I have to believe that bicycle Patrol was like some form of punishment for for the
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opposite yeah for the police um anyway the the FBI what what does come of this is that the FBI and the
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local authorities regardless of what level of suspect they believed Ward Weaver the third to be they finally were
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able to obtain a warrant to search his property because of these new allegations right on August 24th FBI
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agents searched Weaver's home and they found the remains of Miranda Gaddis inside a box in a storage shed Jesus the
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following day they found the remains of Ashley Pond inside a barrel which was buried under a slab of concrete that
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Weaver had recently put down for a hot tub or so he claimed now one thing regarding that interview that we
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referenced yesterday when he and when Ward Weaver III being a suspect living near the crime scene invites the camera
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crew and invites a reporter into his home and walks her around his home as he answers questions and speaks to being a
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suspect in the case of two missing girls there's one part of the interview when he's leading them out they go out
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through like the back door of his home and they go around the side and I might have this wrong because I don't know the
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full layout of this property but at one point they walk over top of this concrete slab that he had poured to
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cover up the remains of this poor girl great and some have wondered was that another
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was that another shot at all the people looking at him as a suspect like you know just kind of doing his thing and
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walking right over top of the concrete that he had poured well he is a real arrogant son of a [ __ ] anyways he he's
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he's one of those people that not only does he think he's the smartest guy in the room he thinks he's the smartest guy
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in any town he goes in is what it seems to me and so that would be like you said
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a shot hey come in talk to me they they they say I'm the number one guy and uh and then by the way let's walk
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over her remains while you leave what his half-brother says is true Ward Weaver was packing up his things and
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getting ready to get out of town yeah you know if he would have went to Mexico who knows I mean I'm sure they would
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have searched that property or figured out a way to search that property at some point with him being gone
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but would they have been able to catch up with him right so on October 2nd 2002 or catch up with him or catch him in
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time before he did something else stupid yeah right right exactly on the 2nd of October Ward Weaver was indicted on
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charges of six counts of aggravated murder two counts of abuse of a corpse and the second degree one count of
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sexual abuse in the first degree and one count of attempted rape in the second degree one count of attempted aggravated
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murder one count of attempted rape in the first degree and one count of sexual abuse in the first degree
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um to avoid the death penalty Ward Weaver III pled guilty to murdering his daughter's friends right and he
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received two life sentences without the possibility of parole for the deaths of Ashley Pond and Miranda ganis yeah well
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he's not going to do well in prison anyways strangely enough the same month that Ward Weaver III was indicted on the
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murder and rape charges his son who turned him in Francis Weaver is accused of threatening uh some relatives
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apparently he called his aunt and two cousins and threatened their lives during a phone call okay so we got the
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grandpa he's charged death sentences for the the great sentences then the Sun the third
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he now has two life sentences now we have the the grandson Francis yep and he is threatening people in his family
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yeah well I mean he's already shot at a vehicle with people right now he's threatening his family so it's the third
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generation of of wild violence really I mean of these Violent Men I mean I'm just trying to keep up with these turds
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well then in 2005 Francis Weaver was charged with breaking into a Southeast Portland home holding the residents
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hostage and then robbing them he was acquitted though in court then later that same year police and firefighters
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came across a puzzling scene finding Edward Kelly Spangler of Grants Pass lying outside his Hyundai SUV and Locust
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city park it was obvious that he had crashed the vehicle into a tree but it wasn't until they examined him closely
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that they found he had suffered multiple gunshot wounds Spangler age 43 was pronounced dead at the scene now working
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with the major crimes unit police then traced spangler's path to a nearby apartment complex for which they obtain
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retained search warrants they soon arrested 27 year old Michael Oren who admitted that he shot Spangler twice in
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the head according to the court documents now police also arrested Francis Weaver at the apartment complex
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Francis initially charging him with robbery meanwhile Oren reportedly told police where they could find another
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accomplice this is 32 year old Shannon Bettencourt a Portland Police Bureau cert team served a search warrant at the
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home of Bettencourt in Portland where Bettencourt was arrested according to court documents police believe Weaver
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Oren and Bettencourt stalked Spangler planning to steal 15 pounds of marijuana this Spangler had brought from Southern
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Oregon for a cash exchange but the robbery didn't go smoothly and then they killed Spangler after a round of
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interviews authorities filed a new charge against Francis Weaver for murder and then convicting him of such but they
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convicted him and somebody else correct it was this this team of three that had planned to Rob this man and ultimately
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led to the murder of Spangler regarding the deaths of Ashley and Miranda the two girls from the Ward
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Weaver the third case we would get some updates and some clarity as to what happened in those specific cases it
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would take some years for some of this to come to light but Miranda's Sister Mariah
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she started communicating with Ward Weaver III once he was in prison serving his two life sentences and she wanted
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some answers as to what happened and he would tell her some of the things that that occurred that led up to their
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murder now it took about three years I'm sorry it took about I think it was six or seven years after he was in prison
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that he finally told Mariah that the reason that he killed Ashley was because he feared that he was going to
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eventually face charges for the rape allegations right and they're they're not any details as to
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how the abduction took place I mean it could have been as simple as he picked her up on the street on her way to the
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uh bus stop she could have shown up after the bus actually took off or before the other kids and he could have
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got her there as well but we do know that he admitted to having a motive let's say for killing this young girl
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the other thing though too is Mariah wanted to know well why did you kill my sister Miranda
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and what Ward Weaver told her was that Miranda was near his home and saw him doing something and I'm I'm confused as
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to what it was that he was doing his statement is simply that he was doing something and I don't know if Mariah
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cleaned this up for the papers or if he didn't directly tell her what that something was but he simply says he was
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in the middle of something he was doing something Miranda saw him and he got scared and he panicked
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unfortunately he used basically the love and the friendship between the two girls to lure her into
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his home he basically told Miranda that Ashley is inside his house that Ashley wants to
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come home keep in mind she was missing for two months by this point that Ashley wants to come home but she's scared
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and this is what got Miranda to go over to his house and go into his home that eventually led to the murder when she
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could have saw him digging a hole putting the concrete down move in the body yeah I think that's probably likely
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what was going on because like I said when I saw portions of that interview with Ward Weaver the the placement of
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that concrete when he walked over the concrete with the reporter it looked to me like that was on the side of his home
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and if somebody was coming up the hill approaching the bus stop they would have very likely seen him doing something on
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the side of that house right and he may have so he may have thought that she saw
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something that she in fact did not see right and then he then he you know tricks her into coming into the house or
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he's a lying piece of [ __ ] and he didn't he didn't kill Ashley to stop the rape
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charges he killed her so he could rape her again and then he decided to rape another girl and kill her as well well
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let's think about this for a minute because you have about six months or so that go that go by Between the time that
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these allegations come forward about the the rape or molestation before she's abducted and killed six
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months so what he he just sat there scared for six months and did nothing about it and all of a sudden one day
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decided to take action yeah it doesn't make any sense see here here's here's the issue here
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okay and we see this time and time again with a lot of serial killers and that's what
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we need to go ahead and label Ward Weaver III as we know he killed two he very likely was going to kill Francis
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Weaver's girlfriend during that attack something stopped that something prevented that from happening but what
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we have here is excuses and we see this time and time again there's an excuse for the murder when
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really that the the simple fact of it you're making this up you're making this up because
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there were there were reasons that you attacked and killed these young girls and none of it has to do with the
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excuses that you've brought up and that you've told to her sister right I I killed Ashley to cover up the
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rape allegations but I waited over six months and then it doesn't doesn't make a lot of logical sense and then Miranda
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saw me in the middle of something and I got scared and I panicked jerking off on
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the porch but it's in in a way it's almost like victim blaming like blaming your eventual murder victims that oh I
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had I had to do this because of this yeah she she was going to charge me with rape charges I had to kill her it's not
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her friend saw me you know it's not that I'm just it's not that I'm just an evil child killer or an evil
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woman killer it's it's I had to do it because of this and I don't buy it for a second I don't buy it for a second it
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might have saved him um some grief or whatever when he had to talk to uh her sister so many years
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later and you know what kudos to Mariah right kudos to her for going and saying and demanding answers from this scumbag
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look me in the face look me in the eye and tell me why you killed my sister that's not an easy thing to do no and
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you're but also this guy's a liar and he again I mean he's when they said he was
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a suspect he put the blame on his father this guy is you know that's look if if you're one of these people that keep
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blaming everything Society this that this this is what path you might be leading down
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because this is what these people do so he but he does it time and time again so
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yes it's very brave of her is she going to get the answers that she's looking for No but
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there's probably some truth to the idea that yes um your sister saw me doing something
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what that something is we I guess we just won't know we don't know or but but again
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or does he just does she just fit his victimology you know what I mean she's I think
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that's what it is I think that's what it is too I think these are sexually motivated murders and abductions yeah I
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think he's a rapist and a murderer right and I think that is the real answer behind all of this
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foreign [Music] you know this is kind of a good study a good case study you know the old
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question of nature versus nurture do these you know are we born are some people born to kill or are they created
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by their environment that they grow up in as a child or society around them and this is one of those interesting
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cases where it's unlike many many other cases out there where we have three generations of killers we have Ward
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Weaver Jr who was convicted and sentenced to death in California now he did ultimately appeal those death
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sentences I don't think he had any luck with the you know overturning those you know good good for us and the thing
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about the thing to keep in mind here though is remember the statement given by the FBI later where they're like look
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this guy he's got two death sentences already he was already facing 42 years in prison before we brought those death
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penalty cases against him for violent crimes for for abduction and and attempted murder right and we have
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26 unsolved homicide cases that we can track back to his truck trucking routes we don't know if he was involved in
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those or not now I'm not going he's involved in someone with them I'm not to get I'd place a bet on that I I think
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you're exactly right I'm not going to turn all Cold Case Cameron on you and believe that he's what responsible for
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all 26 of them but look at the the two crimes that we know that he did one was two people that he he happened upon
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because their vehicle broke down yeah and the other two were runaways hitchhiking right so how many times in
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the course of his long-haul Trucking career did he just happen upon some people it doesn't appear that he needed
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much motivation for abduction and murder other than if a female was present right
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when he happened upon these people sexually motivated which when you look at his son his crimes are sexually
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motivated as well exactly exactly and then you have the grandson Francis Weaver who
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his crimes are somewhat different but ultimately he's convicted of murder as well right you know his crimes are more
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it doesn't seem sexually motivated though no it just seems like a like a violent man
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um regarding shooting into a vehicle full of of kids your age and then robbing and and murdering you know it's
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more of of Thug want to be gangster type crimes I I you know if I had to give them such a title right I think the
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issue here is is if you could identify a gene that you said okay all serial killers or all violent offenders have
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this Gene then the question becomes do you lock them up before they commit a crime because you know that they have
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that Gene and so it's like because you you look at this way when they take Dameron
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when he was having some issues as a kid and they haven't talked to like a therapist right right and the
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therapist does this test and comes back and say hey Dahmer has this Gene that possibly will lead him to be a
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serial killer do you lock them up or do you let them live and to see what happens and I think this this is kind of
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a question that people keep posing to the True Crime Community well yeah again some have argued that
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it's nature some have argued that it's nurture I I think that the look there's a lot of good Arguments for
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both both stances on this right but but that's not the question the question is if you knew definitively that this guy
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has the serial killer Gene do you lock them up before they commit any crime I that that's such a tough thing to
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answer because I mean I because part of you wants to say yes of course because right because then they don't commit any
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crimes and they're not going to kill me any innocent people and and that's a good thing but then on the other hand
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you go well I guess if they can control themselves then maybe we we don't lock them up and
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and hopefully they can control they could control themselves now that they know this information that hey you have
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this Gene um but again with all these serial killers I mean all you hear all the time
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is about these urges so is anybody even capable of stopping these urges well and from from as far as we know
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most of these serial killers come from they're not they're not born and bred from other serial killers you know what
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I mean like this is a unique situation here where we have three generations of murderers
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and I think I'm of the the belief that that a lot of things are unique and that every case is unique in every suspect is
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an individual and needs to be looked at as such I I don't really like throwing everybody into a big batch together and
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just saying hey they're all cooking cookie cutter they're all carbon copies of one another right it's almost like
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it's hard to study them beforehand you have to wait until the crimes happen does that make sense like
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now that we're looking back on them hindsight we can see the development yeah and I'm of the belief that it's as
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much of one as it is the other I think it's a mash of the two I don't think that
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there's a definitive argument for it being just one right it's probably a percentage but in the case of like a
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Dahmer I would go you know nature versus nurture I'd say it's probably 80 20. you know this guy
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was just born with some things wrong with him um especially when you have a father
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that's trying to get you help especially that if when you have a father that's so
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concerned about you and so concerned about your how you're um reacting and interacting in society so I'd lean more
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towards nature there but I think you're right it's some kind of percentage of those two and I believe that in this
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case that we discussed this week especially with Ward Weaver III I believe that there was a lot of signs
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when he was a teenager that this is a violent man with with with the strange sexual appetite
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you know yeah but the same strange sexual appetite that his father had correct correct and the weird thing
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there is you could make an argument that there it was a gene that was passed down
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between the two because basically Ward Weaver Jr didn't really raise Ward Weaver III he was only around till the
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kid was about four and then he took off but then you could also argue you know people would say well then it can't be
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nurture in this specific situation but how do we know that him not being there didn't mold Ward Weaver III in in a
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certain way right but even just not being there is part of it to me it's like with Ward Weaver the third he
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started going this seems like it's more nature the nurture well in a strange twist to this whole
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thing after Francis Weaver was arrested and convicted of murder well as we know Most states that have felony convictions
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they then take your DNA well when they took his DNA they learned that he was in fact not the biological son of Ward
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Weaver III you are not the father again not the father yeah Mori would be so proud of us you know what's Wild is if
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you look at a picture of wow Weaver Jr Weaver III and Francis Weaver so Junior in the third look a lot alike like you
00:34:20
can easily look at the two of them and go okay that's father and son if you look at Francis Weaver I don't think he
00:34:27
looks anything like you know like anything like Ward Weaver III yeah well you wonder if he knew
00:34:37
the son Francis or if we were the third knew if Weaver the third knew I'm assuming that this the son didn't know
00:34:44
it's interesting that you bring that up because remember Weaver the third attacked his wife when she was pregnant
00:34:51
with their first born yeah remember he sent her to the hospital and she refused to press charges against him you know we
00:34:59
don't often get to do this but um we will get to this week and I what I like in this next part too you know when
00:35:08
you watch the you ever watch the the Sunday evening news like the the national news and look if you're not in
00:35:16
a good space don't watch the national news because it's just bad after bad after tragic
00:35:23
story I sometimes I sit down to watch it and I feel great about myself in the world we live in and then I'm in a dark
00:35:31
place about 45 minutes into it but continue to listen to our show every Tuesday at 7 pm but remember on uh like
00:35:38
Anchorman they did this in the movie Anchorman and they uh they do it on the national news every week they show you
00:35:44
all these terrible tragic stories and then they leave you with like polar bears playing together you know a happy
00:35:52
story at the end you know Anchorman I think it was the the squirrel that was swimming in the pool
00:35:58
um well for this story and I know that I I should be a bigger better human being
00:36:04
but I'm sorry I'm just not capable yet um this took place in 2008 I believe Ward Weaver III who was serving time he
00:36:15
was you know serving out his two life sentences sixty percent of the time it works all the time
00:36:21
this was in the Snake River Correctional Institution what Snake River Correctional Institution
00:36:29
so what we were the third he he actually lives in the uh segregated portion of this institution you know because you
00:36:38
take the the high risk inmates and you keep them separate because they're there are people in general population that
00:36:46
want to harm or kill these inmates right so he is getting a haircut and I guess that the the way that this works here is
00:36:55
that the barber is another inmate is it a mullet and a mullet with his haircut well I don't know what
00:37:05
kind of no he's getting a perm I have no idea what what he's Michael Bolton getting what style he was going for
00:37:13
um you may not even get to choose because I know that they're not allowed to use scissors they're not permitted to
00:37:18
use scissors flock of seagull they use electric razors instead but during the course of this haircut now mind you the
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barber and Weaver are the only two in the room at the time the barber stabbed Weaver multiple times he
00:37:34
fashioned a shank from uh I believe it was from a toothbrush and so I know you did look that's that's
00:37:42
when I like I'm like I feel should be laughing yeah I don't know the answer to that though should I not be laughing I
00:37:49
mean look like I said I want to be a bigger better person but I'm not or are you a better person if you are laughing
00:37:56
that's true that's what I question yeah that's I mean this son of a [ __ ] raped and murdered kids yeah you know so
00:38:05
yeah I'll laugh at his death we well he didn't die he didn't die oh he survived the stabbing
00:38:12
does he at least talk funny or something now I don't know where was he stabbed uh
00:38:17
in the neck and shoulders so it was a good attempt by this Marvin Lee Taylor 44 who was Marvin you should have
00:38:25
stabbed him in the rectum was eventually charged with assault possession of a weapon and supplying Contraband no I
00:38:32
wonder what what did he say to the barber did he start an argument we know he's violent
00:38:39
or was it simply like you said they find out what Weaver did and they go I'm taking this guy down well Weaver
00:38:47
would be on the lowest rung of the prison population right you know as as you know silly as it seems that there's
00:38:56
different levels of these I don't think it's silly for a society that they live in I you know there's there's something
00:39:03
about it look bigger person not bigger person I don't give a [ __ ] there's something I like about the fact
00:39:13
that if you do something you take a child's life you harm a child and you go to prison and somehow they find out
00:39:21
about it and they decide to say we're drawing a line and we're gonna we're gonna do something
00:39:29
about it and these are some of these people are the worst of the worst but there's guys in prison that have killed
00:39:36
multiple people but they killed adults and that they're saying hey this guy killed a child
00:39:43
I'm going to take him out I I there's something that I that I like about that and maybe that makes me a horrible
00:39:53
person it doesn't bother getting really dark right now yeah but it doesn't bother me and I don't think it would
00:39:59
bother most that that I'm saying I enjoy it I don't think that about you know it
00:40:04
doesn't bother me one bit that this person is a Marked Man you know that if you go to if you go to prison for this
00:40:11
type of these type of crimes I mean come on do we have like um therapist sponsor this week because I'm
00:40:20
I might have to call my therapist this week and tell them that I like the fact that there's prison Justice and ask them
00:40:29
if that makes me a bad person I don't think so he makes me a good person yeah like I said I'm I'm fine with it
00:40:37
I'm fine with people look you have to be held accountable for your actions and that doesn't stop after you're convicted
00:40:43
in a court of law right yeah I mean you're still going to be judged by your peers
00:40:48
ultimately for the rest of your days right yeah and it'd be hard to know if you what you would do if if you're supposed
00:40:56
to spend life in prison for something and you you had to spin it with these monsters what what would you do so it's
00:41:04
tough but with this Gene it's like I think maybe technology will advance more we'll know more about this kind of stuff
00:41:11
but I don't know if it's uh it's like I don't know how where we're at now but it's like I think
00:41:22
I I don't know where I I don't even know if I want to talk about it because it seems almost like a political thing like
00:41:28
I don't know if you should be able to choose your your baby sex or if you should be able to choose your baby's eye
00:41:33
color or or any of that stuff well the idea of it's interesting the idea of a of a possible murder Gene is interesting
00:41:42
to ponder that thought and to question that I don't think the cases we've covered so many cases I don't feel like
00:41:49
we see so much of of signs of that that it is something that actually exists right you know and in that case that we
00:41:57
referenced during the trailer Mobley versus the state of Georgia that to me it just seems like a defense that you
00:42:04
come up with when there's no other defense to put forth right my clients look we can't confirm we can't find a
00:42:12
doctor to tell you that he's clinically or legally insane but he might have this
00:42:18
murder Gene that means he's not responsible for his own actions he can't control himself he has no no ability to
00:42:27
to control himself in a certain situation it's proven genetically that he's going to behave erratically and
00:42:34
super violent in certain situations because of how he's his DNA his genetic makeup it's just far-fetched it's
00:42:43
far-fetched and if there was a murder Gene but the different kind of Gene do you think they would sell those at like
00:42:49
hot topics or like Abercrombie and Fitch what do you think what do you think murder genes would
00:42:56
look like murder skinny jeans maybe it would be skinny I think they would look like skinny jeans but the the design
00:43:03
would be like Zumbas I get angry in skinny jeans because I can't sit down a humble brag no humble break that I
00:43:12
can't sit down because you your junk is too big that's not what I meant well that's what's going with the humble
00:43:17
prank but what we can agree on here Captain is we both feel that it is a combination of Nature and nurture that
00:43:26
molds these people into this violent Behavior later in their life and what is interesting though and is
00:43:36
that we will continue to study this and we will continue to learn from this unfortunately True Crime is a part of
00:43:43
our history and if we choose to ignore it we fail to learn from it one also remember that if it is
00:43:52
a combination of Nature and nurture that we're a part of the nurture as a society
00:43:58
so be excellent to each other [Music] and we're going to do a little recommended viewing for everybody this
00:44:10
week this week recommending the new docu-series murder Mountain it is director very good friend of the show
00:44:19
Joshua Zieman one of his new projects this is on Netflix so you don't have to rush out and buy a book or anything like
00:44:25
that you can just watch it on Netflix and enjoy it I'm about halfway through the docu-series right now how is it it's
00:44:31
very good and you know and Joshua always does good stuff you know and we had him
00:44:36
on the show um what was about two years ago to discuss The Killing season docu-series
00:44:42
that he did on a e which was really good fantastic and it that kind of centered around the Long Island serial killer
00:44:50
case which we've covered multiple times and we've even discussed off mic of getting back into that case because it's
00:44:58
been such a big one for us in the first couple seasons of True Crime garage but murder Mountain it's about uh Humboldt
00:45:06
County California the big business of legal marijuana brings in visitors from all around the world and some are never
00:45:13
seen again so check out murder Mountain by our good friend Joshua Zieman on Netflix sounds good I'll check it out
00:45:20
this weekend and everybody thanks so much for supporting the show thanks for sharing on social media thanks for
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telling your friends thanks for telling your mothers until next week everybody be good be kind don't litter
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thank you [Applause] thank you [Music]