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[Music] birth control op n [Music] [Music] [Music] we are using all available resources to
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bring Justice of the victims of this tragedy we continue to use all available resources in this invest investigation
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with the support from the Cleveland division of the FBI and the kayaga County Medical Examiner office I'd now
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like to introduce special agent in charge of the Cleveland division of the FBI Eric
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Smith afternoon ladies and gentlemen um my name is Eric Smith I am the special agent in charge of the Cleveland
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division of the FBI I want to start by thanking the Cleveland Metro Parks and the Cleveland Metro Parks Police
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Department for their partnership and their professionalism in our Collective pursuit of justice for Kate Brown and
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Carnell Sledge as Chief Dolan has already laid out some of the publicly releasable
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facts in this unsolved case I would like to ask the public for assistance the area known as the
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pull-off lot north of the Lorraine Road Bridge in the Cleveland Metro Park Rocky
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River Fairview Park reservation is in a highly trafficked area especially in the
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late afternoon and early evening weekday hours there are numerous joggers Walkers
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bicyclists kayakers and even Vehicles cutting through the area to avoid Interstate backups and this is true for
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this area on any given day Tuesday June 4th was a nice warm early evening temperatures in the mid-70s and
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accordingly there were plenty of people and plenty of activity in the park we're asking the public to take a look
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at the maps displayed here if you were in the area on the evening of Tuesday June 4th between 4:30 and 5:30 p.m.
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please contact law enforcement immediately you may have seen something that will give us the key to solve this
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investigation a critical piece of information that will lead us to who is responsible for this horrific double
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homicide you may think that what you saw was nothing or was unrelated we are asking you not to dismiss anything let
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law enforcement make that decision and we need your assistance reward money has been offered by the FBI up to
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$2,000 and by Crim Stoppers up to $2,500 for tips that lead us to the identification and prosecution of the
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person or persons responsible tips can remain anonymous and can be provided to Cleveland metrop
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Parks the Cleveland FBI or Crim Stoppers we want to hold the individuals accountable that have committed this
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horrific act and we also want to provide answers to Kate and Carnell's family and
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[Music] friends I want to get into parts of this article because it goes a little more
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into detail about some questions that I have about the case and questions I believe that you share about this case
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as well this is from the Cleveland Scene which is a fantastic alternative weekly
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newspaper based out of Cleveland Ohio this article's headline is four years later officials report no progress
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in metrop Park's double homicide case but fresh hope comes with national coverage so this came out this article
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came out two days after the the Unsolved Mysteries episode they're hoping that that would
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rejuvenate the investigation so I'm only going to read parts of this here some of the parts
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here say this investigators have gotten many scores of tips and conducted some 270 interviews but who killed Carnell
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Sledge age 40 and Katherine Kate Brown age 33 of Fairview Park in the Rocky River Reservation on June 4th 2019
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remains a mystery they've received 165 tips during the course of this investigation the Metro Park police say
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that they are in regular Communications with the families and that their priority remains bringing Justice to the
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victims and their families but Tom Brown Kate Brown's father disagrees with this
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statement he finds it inconceivable that the metrop parks police haven't made any
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progress in solving the killings or that they claimed to have routine contact with the families so both families
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Nell's family and Kate's family has expressed openly multiple times their concern about the lack of communication
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from the metr Park police there is some confusion from the families because it seems like Carnell's family is like well
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we we don't have any reason to believe that somebody hated Carell and wanted him dead so we think there's somebody in
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Kate's life that possibly wanted her dead and then Kate's family is like well there's nobody in Kate's life that we
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think wanted her dead so we think Carnell was the target yeah and when you see and read interviews with the family
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members they are at a loss they really are the longer that this investigation drags
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on the more questions they seem to have now an A group that probably could have provided some assistance or some answers
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to a lot of those questions is the vok society so this angers me to to a whole another
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level here Captain want to get pissed let's get pissed okay so A A Man Named Kelly
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Tillman became the interim Ranger Chief so for my understanding that's the highest ranking Metro Parks officer
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basically the chief of police he was an keep in mind it's inm position so I don't believe he was there too very long
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but he took the position in November of 2021 so he he's already behind the eightball because this was not his case
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as a chief it happened in 2019 he takes over in November of 2021 but the problem with him taking over in
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my opinion is that there was already something in the works so at the time lead investigator was Nick Valente he
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had a proposal to the metr parks Police Department to bring in the vok society which is a nonprofit 82 member group of
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retired profess criminal investigators who are willing to assist in cases we've talked about them before they've done
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some brilliant work and look they they don't just step in and review a case and solve 100% of them that that's not how
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these things work but they can offer their longtime expertise in offering different types of expertise in
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information and angles for the investigation and telling you hey maybe you should take your investigation here
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or maybe you miss this here's these couple of items that you should go back and review the lead investigator Nick
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Valente says that the vok society was willing to assist in the Kate Brown and N Sledge murder case the vok society
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accepts both cold cases and ongoing investigations that are at least two years or older but only if invited in by
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the jurisdictional law enforcement agency which of course in this case would be the metr parks they only accept
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a few cases each year and with them saying that yeah we're willing to take this one on that
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is good news because a lot of cases they don't take on most they don't this was good news this guy steps in as the chief
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and says nope we're going to ni that we don't need to bring in any other foreign
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agency we don't need the vok society helping in this case so the Cleveland Scene doing their
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due deal they went and wanted answers and said that they came away saying that the
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Metro Park Police Department declined to comment on why they won't allow other agencies to assist in the investigation
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and we already talked about the metr parks removing the signs but the Browns Point out like why would you do that
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they were this was bringing in tips and you are actively and the FBI put up $20,000 asking the public for assistance
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you were actively asking the public for help for information and you keep saying
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over and over again that somebody must have seen something or heard something somebody knows something we need this
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person to come forward yet you're forcing this family to take down these signs which the Brown family says were
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providing tips to law enforcement those signs were actively collecting tips for law enforcement I don't understand
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actions by anybody in a case that when you hear about the actions it's counterintuitive on solving a a murder
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case right mhm when we have these posters up we're going to take those posters down well isn't that
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counterintuitive to solving the crime yeah why are you doing that and then also like we we reach out for
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help we get accepted but then we don't accept the help that's also counterintuitive to solving the crime
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from an elite group in it possible that there's somebody that maybe uh the Metro
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Park pH as involved in this crime and that it's an internal matter I don't suspect
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that I think that when I continue on with this article you'll I think you might have end up
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sharing the same suspicions that I have as far as the metrop Park's police concern so let's talk about some of this
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other stuff that's in the article Alex Zubin this is Kate's younger sister says that she knew intimate details of Kate's
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life but when she made suggestions to investigators they ignored or postponed her she's saying when we
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suggested other ways to get information from Kate's phone for evidence they refused our ideas and she goes on to say
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that when I suggested that they look into certain contacts of Kate they never did any followup on those contacts that
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she provided to them of course the sledges are the Sledge family are equally as disappointed as the Browns
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that the metrop parks refusal to allow the vok society to help with the investigation now the kayakers SL
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Witnesses they didn't hear anything see anything other than unfortunately finding the bodies and calling
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911 they are Tony and Caitlyn vodka and that's vac so I apologize if I if if I'm
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getting their names incorrect but Caitlyn one of the kayakers shares that she and her husband Tony were trying to
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find a spot to launch and that's when they found the bodies she says the experience haunts her still to this day
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and she even broke down during the course of talking to the reporter here for this article and Caitlyn feels
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strongly that investigators handled the crime scene poorly quote I kept thinking
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about the First Responders she says how they should have closed the road and not
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touch the bodies we thought it was odd that they let people on the scene go so soon I thought they were very casual
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they allowed a guy who pulled up just before the police arrived to walk his dog through the area and then they told
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us we could leave according to public reports including police audio recordings from the crime scene and
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accounts from the witnesses who discovered the bodies metr Parks police failed to shut down the Valley Parkway
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for close to 45 minutes and then let's Circle back to something here because it's right here in the article public
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records also show that the witness sitting in his pickup truck parked in the close by lot during the killings
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says he didn't see or hear anything because he was immersed in work on his laptop Caitlyn one of the kayakers says
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she observed him sitting in his pickup truck and that he didn't get out until after police arrived she also said
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investigators didn't do thorough questioning of witnesses at the crime scene saying quote I've always wondered
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about the guy sitting in the truck I mean I was right there crying clearly things were happening but he stayed in
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his truck end quote Tony Caitlyn's husband is the other witness who found the bodies he says he was surprised by
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the lack of crime scene protocol quote there was no police tape No Boundaries to protect the evidence worse they
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didn't question Witnesses they the way they should have they treated it like a stolen package off of someone's
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porch Kate's sister Lauren Echoes the kayak comments saying the witness who was sitting in his pickup truck nearby
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at the time of the killings was let go then called back later he was not tested at the crime scene for gunpowder and
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then we have Carnell's friend this is Jeff Schwarz who says he feels the metrop park bungled the investigation
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since the get-go quote everything that could go wrong from the beginning has he says I would rather have a detective
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from Law and Order trying to solve this now in episode 660 I pointed out the an experience that the metrop parks has has
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with homicides even better reason to bring in somebody like the vok society we do know in their defense they did
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bring in the FBI right so the FBI has been some part of this the MF FBI but it's not it's also not just a homicide
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it's a double homicide yeah and according to Unsolved Mysteries both families have a lot of
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questions about the man in the truck the man sitting in his truck the the witnesses saw nothing heard nothing and
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as referred to only as the roofer on Unsolved Mysteries both families have said we want to know more about this
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witness right absolutely you'd want to know more about him you'd want to know more about the kayakers too so we here
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at True Crime garage said the same thing we want to know more about this roofer the guy in the truck because per
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police we only have three known potential Witnesses the kaying couple and the roofer the man in the truck but
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the kayakers are named on Unsolved Mysteries and they're named again in multiple articles including the
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Cleveland Scene article that I just reviewed with all of you why isn't the roofer named on Unsolved Mysteries or in
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any article because it's fishy so here here's the problem there's a lot of problems okay so they did talk to
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this roofer guy right they are claiming they being metrop Park detectives are claiming that he couldn't have done it
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because he was we we checked his electronics and he was doing what he said he was doing at the time he was
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working the reports I have is that that park bench again this is the statement from law enforcement is the park bench
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where they were killed is visible from this parking lot invisible from the road that runs to that parking lot that
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gravel lot we know based off of the dash cam footage from the detective that there were only five cars in that lot
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when they arrived red on the scene and this again it's 11-minute window when they were killed because we can based
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off of witness statements we can surmise that they were killed before the kayakers
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arrived why because we know from police statements that the roofer was there before during and after the murders
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according to the kayakers he never gets it they arrive they then find the bodies
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they call 911 and they wait for police police arrive the roofer never gets out of the pickup truck until after police
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are on the scene well so am I nuts to think that law enforcement has some eyewitness that can put his truck the
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roofer's truck in that lot before there's any other vehicles they don't have to he puts himself there right okay
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so then on top of that now so he's telling law enforcement I was there I was doing this work two other people
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pulled in yeah cuz they're going to say what time did you arrive and oh you're still here while while we're on the
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scene so they know that he's there prior to they they out they being law enforcement have said he was there
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before cardinell and Kate arrived he was there before the kayakers arrived kayakers arrived and find the
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two dead now when police arrive on the scene we have five vehicles this is literally minutes after the two were
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killed there's a 11-minute window when they were killed police were on the scene probably 6 minutes to 8 minutes
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after that 11-minute window and when they pull up we can see from their dashboard camera footage that there are
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five vehicles in that lot two belong to the victims one belong to the pickup truck roofer guy one belongs to the
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kayakers the fifth vehicle belongs to the guy that the kayakers reference saying that they question the crime
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scene because they let a guy that showed up to walk his dog walk his dog through
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the area so that guy shows up after the kayakers but before the police so he didn't kill him unless he for some weird
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reason came back to the scene and wanted to be there when police were arriving let's go back to what we had said
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earlier this is the the area is known as a pull-off lot it's highly traffic numerous joggers Walkers kayakers
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Vehicles cut through the area so forth and so on why isn't this roofer named the kayakers are named we did some
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digging the roofer is Charles Adams that's his name he's referred to as the roofer and Unsolved Mysteries Unsolved
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Mysteries in these articles apparently there's things that were either not known what what I believe to be not
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known I don't think that these things were purposely left out but his statements to police is this
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he did not hear any gunshots but what he tells police is I didn't hear anything so it must have been a low
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caliber weapon possibly a 22 well it was a 22 that killed the victims so I guess
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good guess there Chuck when asked if he see the victims so he says yeah I saw these people arrive I didn't see anybody
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else arrive right I see the victims arrive then I saw the kayakers arrive did you see them shot no I saw them I
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thought they were sleeping and I I want to I want to be clear here I don't know if his statement was I saw them or I saw
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Carnell and I thought he was sleeping because from this vantage point from this guy's pickup truck he would have
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been able to see the park bench and therefore we can take that a little bit further and make the assumption that if
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he could see the park bench he could see Cardell lying next to it after having been shot the family wants to know more
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about the families want to know more about this guy and I agree with that I think their intuition is spot on here
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the information we've uncovered is that he is is a a gun nut referred to as a gun nut who not only owned Firearms but
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is believed to have carried them at most times there are people out there very close to this investigation that that
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have a firm belief that had they searched his truck or him at the scene that they likely would have found at
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least one firearm on his person now we know based off of the statements from the Brown family and and the kayakers
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that the police talked to him briefly and then let him go and then decided to call him back to the scene yeah not a
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good move wouldn't wouldn't you at the very least like say all right we need kayakers roofer we need you guys to stay
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at the scene and oh by the way would you mind if we could search your vehicles because how you you find a firearm in in
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somebody's vehicle at the scene you probably get you probably got the murderer later
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we find out that this individual the roofer has failed at least one polygraph test I believe that that it was
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conducted by the FBI and we do know that he has a history of violence and has since left the state of Ohio he no
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longer resides here in the state of Ohio do we know how long after the murders it
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was that he moved away I couldn't find confirmation of that other than it was several months so so it wasn't like he
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up and skipped town immediately or the week after and do we know what the violent charges were um at least one
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domestic case so Poss just hates women that he was convicted of this isn't suspicion this isn't accusations this is
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he was convicted of it so A History A known History of Violence all right let's take this a step further
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here because there's actually a potential connection between Charles the roofer and and one of the victims really
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oh really so remember we had said you had said that Kate and rightfully so she lived in an apartment complex a very
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large apartment complex very near the crime scene and that is in large part why she would frequent that portion of
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the park she would often exercise there go there for walks take in the the natural beauty of the scenery and also
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meet people there regularly friends acquaintances you know rather than dropping by my
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apartment hey it's beautiful out there's this beautiful park that's so very close
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to my home my apartment let's meet there this man lived in the lived not far from
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the park as well so he lives almost directly across from Kate's apartment building at the time of the murders now
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the other part too is it was discovered that around the time of the murders Charles the roofer was having multiple
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affairs utiliz Iz in Tinder to set up dates and set up these encounters with women it's
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conceivable that if Kate was actively using Tinder that there's a chance that they could have matched just from
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proximity and age they were both about the same age and they both lived in the same area and now compound that
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information with what Brown's family Kate Brown's family is saying on Unsolved Mysteries that she was actively
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using Tinder at the time of her murder yeah she went on a date using Tinder I think like a couple days before the
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murders and so then we we got a question well why is Carnell there is it possible
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that she's like hey Carell I've been I've been match with this guy on Tinder I'm going to meet him at the park
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do you mind coming with me I got to break it off yeah break it off or maybe it's uh you're meeting them for the
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first time and so you have a friend there you meet and and the the thought is if it if it's
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going well then we'll continue on our date and and you go uh about your business you know Carnell goes about his
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business and goes back to his family's house I the Tinder connection is very strange they would have had to like you
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said because of the age range and because of proximity I believe Tinder is all about
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how there's like parameters that you put in when you're looking for individuals so they're going to show you people that
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are in your close area yeah the the Colonel's not looking for 80-year-old women who live in India right you're you
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would be looking for it's conceivable that you're probably looking for somebody about your same age range and
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it would make sense that they they live or or work or frequent similar areas close
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proximity the captain's going to start a dating app called close areas here's the
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thing and it makes you wonder did the interim Chief not want the assistance of the vok society because they're going to
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review this and go what the hell guys this guy in the pickup truck you let him go from the scene with a with a very
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general statement that doesn't make any sense we know he was there before during
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and after the murders he didn't hear anything he didn't see anything he tells you that oh I didn't hear anything it
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must have been a small caliber weapon like a 22 the 20 a 22 caliber weapon it turns out to be the murder weapon and oh
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I saw one of the victims and I thought he was sleeping who sleeps look maybe I you know I've seen
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homeless people you know I like to call them houseless people sleeping in the park during the daytime not a lot it's
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very rare but I have witnessed this so maybe that was his statement to police but but then the other there's a lot of
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problems I have here too so the FBI comes in and the FBI says look we've done everything we can we we sent this
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to our Behavioral Science unit for a profile well if you guys really want help of from the public where's the
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profile right as vanilla as it may be release some of the profile or all of the profile to the public I I hate when
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law enforcement limps in ask for help from the public yeah help me to help you help me to help
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you the more the more that we know the better we can help in the situation [Music]
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our family's lives were changed forever the moment we were told our beloved Kate
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was brutally murdered Kate's sister Alex zuban spoke alongside her father Tom Brown today as they announced an
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increase to the reward for information that helps solve this metrop park murder mystery as a family we have raised an
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additional $70,000 this raises the total reward to $100,000 for information metr parks
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Rangers and the FBI acknowledged they don't have much to go on but they remain Relentless promising to work the case as
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if it happened yesterday La enforcement will not rest until Kate and Carnell's killer is brought to Justice meanwhile
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Alex and Tom continue to praise the sister and daughter they miss so much Kate was my best friend talked every day
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I still call her and leave her voicemails she was at the top of her game she was enjoying life she loved
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going down to the park she would go down with her mom and play cards sit on a blanket and
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I I can't believe we're standing here anyone with information should call Crim Stoppers or Metro Parks Rangers knowing
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they can help a family heal while remaining [Music] Anonymous all right we are back cheers
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mates cheers to the people in the front back the sides cheers to you Colonel there are so many questions in this case
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we have these two individuals I guess the first question is why were they meeting at the park why was he meeting
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at the time that he was supposed to be going over to his family's house what were they going to be talking about what
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was talked about on the cell phone call before they met up was anybody following
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them or was or was the suspect there there at the time of the murders was the suspect just passing
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by why didn't this eyewitness hear anything see anything when he was there just feet away from the crime scene
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doesn't make any sense let's dive more into this quote unquote eyewitness so is there anything that we can learn about
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this eyewitness's history does he have any prior convictions is he is he a violent individual that's the thing I I
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want to be clear here prior to the homicides I don't know if he has a history of violence right I believe that
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that the what his conviction came after the murders but regardless he has a history of violence now so we know he's
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capable of being a violent individual let's go back to the to the problems with the investigation okay if you say
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that the person may have used a suppressor well we we know this to be fact you have to be issued a stamp by
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the ATF you have to purchase the stamp it's a long drawn out process and you have to keep that it's basically a
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license that you can have a silencer and at any time the ATF can knock on the Colonel's door and say all right we want
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to see your your stamp that was issued for your silencer your suppressor and we want to see the suppressor that matches
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that stamp the serial number so that would be something that you could check right you got three people at the scene
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you could check if any of them have been issued a stamp for a suppress they it's
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rare to get one it's difficult to get one most people don't have them that doesn't seem to have been done there's
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no indication that they searched either vehicle there's people that close to the
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investigation say that they believe that you would have found a gun on the roofer
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they're not saying look the roofer is the murderer they're saying these are things that should have been
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done and frankly look you said if maybe he had the radio cranked up and that would make
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some sense yeah but look if he didn't and of course windows rolled up what have you it was a warm day I who knows
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if his windows were rolled up or not but look it's been reported that the park bench was 75 to maybe 80 feet from the
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gravel lot right 75 ft to 75 to 80 ft from the gravel lot just as an exercise for for my own Amusement I decided to to
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walk in time how long it would take me to walk 75 to 80 feet so for me to walk 80 feet originally I had wrote down and
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guessed it would take me 30 seconds conservatively right actually once I timed it I did it three times and I got
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times of 22 seconds 23 seconds 25 seconds but were you doing the type of walk where you put your feet really
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close together and you uh scrunch your butt cheeks together yes because that's how I assume the murderer approached the
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victims now I I did it in a manner much like we saw in the Liz barazza Nest cam footage the perpetrator of that murder
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where the where we don't know who the perpetrator was but as I said in that episode Liz barazza still unsolved
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Texas the killer appears to be walking very purposefully up to the victim before shooting her
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and in a weird way that case shares some similarities to the case we're discussing today yeah very much so when
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I time those walks 22 seconds 23 seconds and 25 seconds okay so you mean to tell
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me that you are saying on a national streaming program Unsolved Mysteries that you can confirm that he didn't kill
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them because he was doing what he said he was doing which was working on a laptop that the distance travel it's
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conceivable that he walked up approached them shot them and returned to his truck
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in less than 2 minutes time unless you can prove that he's jiggling a mouse jiggling a mouse for every second that
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he's there you can't eliminate him based off of that because there's s such little time it would have taken him to
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shoot these people well also it it's possible that he gets in his truck to leave and sees these
00:34:20
kayakers Park and then thinks well [ __ ] I can't leave now and especially because
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because his truck would have been what we would consider here at the garage to be identifiable not maybe not
00:34:36
that one particular but he's a roofer right so he's going to have he's going to have things related to the work on
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this truck he's going to have likely ladders I don't know a roofer that doesn't carry ladders on their vehicle
00:34:48
there could be signage like you're saying on on this vehicle maybe he he had got back to the vehicle and realized
00:34:54
oh I'm kind of I'm kind of stuck here now for a second or two if if I flee maybe I look more guilty than if I just
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sit here and you think the FBI would be able to look into his history or look into maybe not his history but look into
00:35:10
Kate's history on the the Tinder app and see if there was any connection because
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then you go is that just happen stance that a guy that she made contact with happened to be at the crime scene no see
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I think that's the other reason why some of the people in the public dismissed this guy
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okay because when we see the Unsolved Mysteries episode there's clearly cell phone information from both victims that
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that is relayed in that episode right that's where we get a lot of these timestamps from well in fact all the
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timestamps from their cell phones so I think that people then make the assumption that they know everything
00:35:55
about Kate's cell phone and who she was talking to but go back to the article that comes
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out two days after the Unsolved Mysteries episode where two days after the Unsolved Mysteries episode where we
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have the Cleveland Scene article that comes out that says no there's they don't know everything about they being
00:36:15
law enforcement Kate's phone we can put this together based off of that article Alex Zubin Kate's younger sister says
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she knew intimate details of Kate's life but when she made suggestions to investigators they were ignored or
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postponed quote when we suggested other ways to get the information from Kate's phone for evidence they refused said
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Zubin when we suggested other ways to get the information from Kate's phone this is telling us that at some point
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law enforcement told the victim's family we are not able to access a lot of stuff
00:36:51
or some stuff on her phone doesn't make sense unless unless they have unless they have some reason to hold back this
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information and they don't want to give it this information to the family persons close to the investigation and
00:37:05
at least one person in law enforcement close to the investigation has told True Crime garage that they have not been
00:37:13
able to successfully unlock Kate's phone so all of the information that we reviewed regarding her cell
00:37:21
phone is information that they could pull with a subpoena from her cell phone Pro Prov
00:37:28
provider what time a text was sent what was said in a text and right what time calls were made and who the calls were
00:37:35
made to or who calls were received from there's nothing in there saying with her Tinder information or other
00:37:44
apps and applications information that they could probably pull from her phone and furthermore like so okay a
00:37:53
couple of theories that we discussed in 660 and and that have been openly discussed in
00:38:00
this case regularly is were the two followed that seemed to me to be the most likely scenario when we first
00:38:06
covered this case be but now after watching Unsolved Mysteries we have that dash cam footage that would seem to
00:38:13
suggest that no they weren't followed because police would be actively hunting down those vehicles with license plates
00:38:20
and such and vehicle descriptions and again we go back to how few Vehicles were in the gravel lot in the very short
00:38:28
finite window of time that we have I was so angry that they didn't use Geo fencing because it would have been so
00:38:35
easy at the time if they were followed to see what cell phone pulled into the lot after one or both of the
00:38:43
victims walk to the general area where both victims were Kate's phone shoots them and then leaves the scene before
00:38:51
police arrive that that would be your suspect that's what I was shouting from the mountain tops then
00:38:57
but that investigative tool only works if you have somebody that is not putting themselves at the crime scene geofencing
00:39:08
doesn't work very well if the person that that committed this crime was there and says and is fine with police knowing
00:39:16
that they were there at the time of the murders but again maybe that's cuz he had to change his plan because the
00:39:21
kayakers showed up yeah we know one individual was there like police said this is their words not ours before
00:39:30
during and after the murders and then I also wonder too Captain I said at the beginning it takes a village maybe it's
00:39:38
going to take a village to solve this but this case needs to be solved for a million
00:39:45
reasons but I question if the metrop parks police and the FBI how United are they in working together sharing
00:39:52
information is this a battle to see who can solve this case because you ain't going to it by yourselves I have very
00:40:00
little confidence in the metr Parks Police Department solving this case and metr Parks police you have more a more
00:40:07
vested in interest in this case being solved than the FBI frankly just because it's your
00:40:14
jurisdiction and here's the deal this individual that you don't know everything about and that you let leave
00:40:20
your crime scene and you didn't properly vet he relocated to St Louis the FB FBI
00:40:28
has an office in Cleveland the FBI their jurisdiction is on the federal level not
00:40:35
the Cleveland Metro Parks level right of course they have a field office they have an FBI
00:40:44
office in St Louis you guys got to work together and vet this guy investigate this guy
00:40:52
properly and the investiga and so many other aspects of this investigation because I think it's
00:40:58
been it appears from our angle where we sit that this has been somewhat poorly handled and that there were things that
00:41:07
were that could have been done that were not done and we've I go to this a lot because it's so true it's something that
00:41:15
the great late great JFK said that is so true an error only becomes a mistake once you refuse to correct it there's
00:41:24
still plenty of time to get Justice for these two lovely people that were killed on a
00:41:34
park bench on a Tuesday there's still time to get Justice for their families anyone with information or tips
00:41:44
about the unsolved double homicide should call the FBI Cleveland field office at 216 622
00:41:54
6842 or call Crim Stoppers of Kai hoga County at 216252701 100,000 reward for information that
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