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[Music] 20 year old University of Iowa college student Molly Tibbetts went missing it's
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believed Captain either on July 18th or maybe even the 19th we are still at this
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time a little confused about when she did in fact go missing now we wanted to cover this case this
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week to shine a light on her disappearance to generate some leads and further the investigation and hopefully
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bring Molly home just within the last two hours we receive breaking news on this case and depending on which reports
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you check we have some reports stating that Molly's body has been found in Aurora area near this location and the
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other reports state that a body has been found and it is yet to be identified what we do know is this that during this
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investigation law enforcement has been very tight-lipped about what they know and what they were looking into
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we do know that we should be hearing more information later today all reports that I could find depending on whether
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it is in fact her body or not states that there will be a pla a press conference later today
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depending on five o'clock I believe depending on what part of the country you're in
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um but we should get more information later today all along during the course of this disappearance there have been
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different theories about what could have happened and I just want to start off with you know
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we might get sidetracked and go to into some other things but I really want to focus in on what the three main
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prevailing theories were amongst the media and the public during the course of her disappearance the first and this
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is one that we always have to discuss when when somebody has just not been found is that Molly ran off either alone
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or with someone else that she simply chose to run away or leave her life now that theory you and I agreed as well as
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the family and a lot of people close to Molly everybody really believed that that is
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by far the least likely of the three prevailing theories and with the information that's coming out today I
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think that it even points more so to that it's still a tiny little possibility but it was unlikely to begin
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with and now with the news we have today seems even more more unlikely also seems
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with finding her body it almost raises more questions than gives us any answers the other theory that was a popular one
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was that Molly was abducted while on her run and then of course the other theory
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that she might have been abducted from the home in which she was staying so maybe after her run let's get into the
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the jogging Theory first okay this could be by opportunity someone saw her and grabbed her it could
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be someone who knew her knew her patterns and had planned out an attack on her or it could just be some random
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person that happened to spot her out on that run yeah and Brooklyn Iowa's only three miles off of Interstate 80 which
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is highly traveled didn't we mention Interstate 80 when we covered um the Lane Bryant shootings I believe
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so and and yeah it changes interstates and and you know numbers route numbers from time to time but I was looking at
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it on a map and it pretty much spans the the vast majority of the United States yeah the tricky thing here is it's only
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a few maybe an hour or so either direction you're going to hit major cities okay
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and so under this Theory under the Molly was abducted while on her run Theory Captain what makes this Theory likely
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are the following so Molly's Fitbit iPhone and iPhone holster and earbuds seem to all be missing yes now we
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believe although this has not been confirmed by law enforcement that her running clothes and shoes are not in the
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house where she was staying that day no one had any confirmed contact with her after the general time of when she
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should have been out running let's talk about the home where she was staying it was a four bedroom home
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Dalton said that they never locked the doors he said that when Molly was house sitting she would have not locked the
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doors even at night he said she would have instead slept with the dogs in the bed with her Molly's mother agreed with
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this statement we do know that when police arrived the house was found to be unlocked and there was no reported sign
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of forced entry of any kind or any type of break-in several items belonging to Molly were
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found where we should expect to find them right they found her laptop they found
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her wallet with license and debit card they found her brand new passport she was planning a trip remember we have
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Dalton her boyfriend Dalton his brother's getting married yeah to his fiancee they were going to go out of the country
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for this wedding so she had a new passport for this trip also her glasses were found and some contact lenses were
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found as well so these are items that you know seem like would have been you know might have been taken with her
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if she was taken from the home rather than out on the jog the only items that we can believe that are missing other
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than Molly were the items that she would have had with her while she was out jogging yeah and then the other theory
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is that Molly was taken while she was in the house dog sitting well we just went
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through what we know about while she was out jogging let's go through what could
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point to her having been abducted from the home or what may not point to that and we'll kind of open it up to
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discussions then so it does not appear that the house was treated as a crime scene and what I mean
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by that is there's no reports or couldn't find any information regarding the crime scene tape was even put up and
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we do know that the occupants Dalton Blake and Amy were all allowed back into the house fairly quickly
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the law enforcement stated no signs of forced entry or a struggle yeah but there's not going to be any sign the
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fourth Century if you leave the doors unlocked there is some evidence to back up this Theory though
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so that would be that you know she returned to the house after her run and then disappeared this theory is popular
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for two reasons one we know that Molly's boyfriend Dalton opened up his Snapchat
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for Molly at 10 pm the picture was a selfie of Molly and she appeared to be indoors possibly he said in his home
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right now we have no idea when she actually sent the snap police believe it was sent that day
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Snapchat has been working with law enforcement so they're working to clear that up police would very much like to
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view this snap as we stated before but for obvious reasons it would show potentially where Molly was at the time
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of of that time of night right and there was some text on that snap Dalton could not recall
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what the caption said now evidence for the post-run abduction Theory also is that at some point over
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the course of the investigation some people talk to the media who said the investigators told them there was
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reason to think Molly had been home at Dalton's house that night working on her computer specifically that was the
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neighbor of the Jacks David Cullum yeah and supposedly there's some Google searches correct Lori Calderwood Molly's
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mom told the Des Moines Register that she had received a call from an agent who was trying to discern specifically
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whether Molly had been quote in a home at 9 45 pm on July 18th so those are some things that point to
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the possibility that she had returned to the home now we have Blake Jack Dalton's
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brother said he he echoed what we heard before that there was no sign of any kind of struggle or disruption inside of
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his home Blake also said that they were told there is no way to tell whether Molly
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had returned home after the run but is that really true we have to question that surely If Molly had returned to the
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house she would have let the dogs out of the basement maybe fix something to eat did
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some work on the computer and got ready for bed you would think that if she had returned and been there for a while that
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there would be evidence at the home to suggest that she had returned home unless she arrived back at the house
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after her run and someone was waiting for her since all of her running stuff all seems
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to be missing it appears to me likely that she was still wearing it when she vanished and I saw a lot of reports
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about this black SUV yeah well this kind of ties into another thing there were reports coming out that a black SUV was
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seen driving around town in the middle of the night on the 18th this received a national level of attention the story
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seems to be true uh and then later we would learn that it was in fact true now let's move on to this real quick and
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you'll understand here why in a minute but the True Value Hardware Store in town was vandalized or broken into on
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the night of the 18th this was also widely reported and do they know what was taken well this turns out to be true
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as well but what ended up happening in the long run because some people had speculated Maybe
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items were stolen from the hardware store that were used to abduct Molly yeah that would make sense or to break
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into the hole the thing here is though Captain what we would later learn and sometimes it takes
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days it takes a while for these items to trickle down and the proper information
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to get out the black SUV seen driving around the middle of night it happened the True Value Hardware Store broken
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into or vandalized it happened we later learned that it was just straight up vandalism it doesn't appear that anybody
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entered the store that they vandalized the outside of the store now go back to this black SUV I mean because there was
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reports I believe it was like 480 miles roughly away from Brooklyn Iowa where they saw this black SUV I want to claim
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that it was like a couple weeks prior where there was a jogger on a road and there's actually uh surveillance footage
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of this where the blackest uh so it looks more like a van to me than an SUV but it pulls up next to the jogger it
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says something to her tries a grabber maybe and she took off running and then she called the cops and
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then they had this video so once this Molly you know Molly went missing this um law enforcement
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department sent this information to to the law enforcement up in Brooklyn Iowa well the the black SUV that is in
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question here regarding Brooklyn Iowa it's tied into this True Value hardware store because we know who the black SUV
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belonged to the True Value Hardware Store vandalism was called in by a bartender who was leaving work and got
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off that that night saw the vandalism go down called in the report to police well
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the bartender owned the black SUV and after having called in that information to police okay they drove around town
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looking for who they thought they had seen vandalizing the store that report that I heard from 400 some miles away I
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thought that was somewhat of a stretch I mean that's a pretty far distance right
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right but we have heard of situations where individuals decide to drive cross-country
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um and and commit these types of horrible acts against people but that shows that in this case that there's a
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lot of there's a lot of eyeballs on the case and there's a lot of different departments trying anything even if
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they're 500 miles away they're still trying to help the Molly Tibbetts case this shows the effort you're exactly
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right this shows the effort that was made by everyone to try to find her now we have some FBI profilers that have
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came out and they speculated that they believe she was taken on the jog she was abducted on her jog but by somebody that
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she would have known like that maybe she would have been willing to get into a vehicle with somebody now it might not
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be like somebody very close but somebody that she would actually recognize okay so I think this is a situation where
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we've talked about this several times when you're an FBI profiler you take information that you can find regarding
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the known facts of the case things regarding information about your victim and then you have to kind of play
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the percentages it's like you're playing poker you have to say all right it's more likely that this happened and I
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state that because of this now that doesn't mean that something else didn't happen it doesn't scratch anything off
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of the list of what could have happened but what I think and why I think they would come up with this information here
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and state this is for one simple fact it very likely if she was abducted during the course of that jog
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it would have still been light outside and we don't seem to have any reports of somebody saying hey I saw a fight go
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down between some guy that jumped out of a pickup truck and a girl that was jogging they get into a fight and next
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thing I know the truck is gone and she's gone we don't have any statement of that
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now I've looked at the suspected routes that she would have been jogging on that
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day now not only do we believe that some portions of that route or some portions
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of those routes would have had surveillance cameras that police could later receive that
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information view that footage but these are also areas where I would have expected people to
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possibly see her we do have those Witnesses or at least three individuals that believe that they saw her out
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jogging that night or someone they believed to be her so again I think they're playing the percentages of it
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was still daylight out we don't really seem to have any information that she returned to the home or any evidence of
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such and therefore if there was no scuffle if there was no um struggle yeah then she willingly got
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into a vehicle with somebody now given her what they know about her she wouldn't have done that with a
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stranger she wouldn't have just got into some guy random guy's vehicle that's tricky that's tough I believe
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what they're saying go ahead possibly but I think the problem here is you don't know what you would do uh faced
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with different situations oh hand-to-hand combat fight would would Molly put up a fight guarantee it that's
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what her whole family said that's what her boyfriend said that's what her brother said they said they would that
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she would fight them you know and so she was this tough you know a tough individual
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now put a put a knife in the perpetrator's hand put a gun in the perpetrator's hand
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it could change things and you might not be willing to get in a car with somebody
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you don't know but if they got a gun pointed at you you might be willing to do so
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yeah and and I'd argue and and this I was talking on a local detective here and he was saying
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that if you're faced with that situation that once you get in the car your chances of surviving are Slimmer Slimmer
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they're they're very low yeah your chances are extremely low at that point so you do everything you can not to get
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in not to get in the car and if somebody has a gun that you know even if they're somewhat
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close make them shoot you out in the open you have a better chance of just taking off running and zigzagging and
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just doing your best to try not to get hit you have a better chance of staying alive doing that and that that's coming
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from a detective that worked um cases like this for 20 some years so if you find yourself in these situations
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and one one of the things that the True Crime Community needs to do a better job
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of is to say hey when you go running carry a knife carry carry mace make sure that you have you know Molly had her
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Fitbit tracker on her that's going to leave evidence having her phone on her is going to leave evidence you know but
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if if she would have had pepper spray or a knife or if she would have known that
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hey if somebody's going to try to abduct you with a gun you you have better chances of staying alive if you just
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take off running well the the profiler stating that we believe it was somebody that she knew that's also kind of
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loosey-goosey too in a sense that she may not have willingly got into the vehicle even if it was somebody that she
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knew right but that also if if they know her that allows them the opportunity to approach her without
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causing a an alarm an immediate alarm from her an immediate reaction that they don't want from her and it actually goes
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against what we've already reported on here in the garage you know we talked about the the case that we covered the
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murdered joggers we had two women that were out on similar situations jogging exercising and in both instances they
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were abducted and killed by somebody that they didn't know this by somebody that did not know them now we have two
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completely different situations within those stories themselves one it seems that the the one individual that she was
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out running and very likely attacked from behind and then killed there and then we have
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another situation where the woman was out running and the guy pretended to have a vehicle that had broken down and
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probably asked her for help or at least enough to draw her in and draw her close
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so that he abducted her and got her in his vehicle so it's a difficult situation to really try
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to pull the pieces apart and try to figure out what's going on and what likely happened here well the creepiest thing
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that I've heard is that law enforcement believes that the person responsible for
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Molly going missing and now Molly's death was involved in the searches for Mali and also was at the candlelight
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vigil well that would go along with a lot of FBI theories regarding that the the
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perpetrator knew her that they had that they knew each other somehow it could be
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very loose how they knew each other maybe it was um a neighbor or second cousin or
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somebody that happened to work at a store somewhere well hold on this I mean is this case has has been strange for us to
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cover but we're going to go to a quick break because we're getting some new information
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[Music] [Music] all right we're back cheers mates cheers Captain well and I tell you what
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this thing has been very difficult to cover and we keep getting breaking news as early as this morning and throughout
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today none of it has been good news everybody wanted Molly to come home safe and sound maybe there was just some
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misunderstanding it now looks like they have found Molly and we're as we get closer to that press conference it will
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happen later today it seems more and more likely that that is the body of Molly Tibbetts
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the information that we just recently received is that the body that has been found was possibly found on or near the
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pig farm that we have discussed on this show and that has been discussed on other shows as well
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the strange thing regarding where the body was found is that it it sounds like there might be an individual that has
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been arrested that might be have already taken into custody and it's not the the
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man who's been referred to as the pig farmer but in fact a neighbor of her boyfriends of somebody that lived close
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to the Jack house uh and this was Nate Hopwood is and and I want to be clear here
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until we have this press conference later today the things that we've reported on this show regarding who was
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found where the body was found and who has been taken into custody this is all unconfirmed you know we and yesterday in
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in the show earlier today we stated that you know when we cover these cases that
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are fresh that there is a lot of misinformation coming out and I don't want I want to make sure that we're not
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part of misinformation this is what we are hearing this is what we are seeing now but to be absolutely clear until we
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have this press conference this is just things that are but more or less rumored
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to be going on we we should be very clear about that well yeah so I mean again to
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this has never happened with us I mean we normally cover cases that are older cases but again so many emails of
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listeners saying hey cover this case and shine some light on it you know it's your responsibility to
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um the True Crime Community to do so and so that's why we took this on and then to wake up and on the way to the garage
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to record to get text messages saying that Molly has been found that's I mean uh I mean I've been choked up all day
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about it but and now as we're recording it to be getting text messages from friends and
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uh good buddy of mine Morgan that is checking the news constantly for us and to send I mean the first thing he sends
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is um it looks like she was found on or near the pig farm and then it instantly you go to the idea of this guy
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was questioned five times this guy wouldn't take a polygraph this guy then takes a polygraph we don't know if he
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passed it or not and then the next text message is this Nate Hopwood which is one of the
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neighbors he's not the to be clear he's not the pig farmer right um okay well let's touch upon what you
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were talking about earlier that the FBI or local law enforcement suspect that the individual responsible for her
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abduction and death was probably somebody that participated in searches for Molly while she was still missing
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somebody that may have even participated in a candlelight vigil or any of the uh
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ceremonies that you have when you're looking for somebody that's that seems very likely first for
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many reasons here captain and this is something that the FBI will usually tell local law enforcement to keep an eye on
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you know if you have if you have to conduct a funeral for somebody then you should put some agents or some
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undercover officers there and see who shows up to the funeral and like the FBI said they had suspicions their profilers
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former profilers stated that they believed it was somebody that knew Molly that knew her somehow so what does that
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mean well that means that a person that knew her somehow even if they lived together in the same Community but
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didn't know each other directly then that is somebody that you would expect to be involved in those searches
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somebody you would expect to be at the candlelight vigil and the thing here is that's something that the guilty party
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does that the suspect does because they go look I couldn't I couldn't have done anything
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wrong here I couldn't have killed her I'm out here searching like the rest of you like all of the other good people
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like the actual good people he's not a good person but like the actual good people I'm out here searching and
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looking for her also I'm here in memory of her I'm here someone celebrating her life and celebrating the hopes and
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thoughts that she may return that we may find her so it's somebody that with his
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real piece of [ __ ] well it's somebody that would have fit into both of those scenarios somebody that would not have
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seemed to be out of place at either of those scenarios the other thing and we've discussed this plenty of times
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here the reason why the perpetrators do this is for one it could be for for uh disgusting method or disgusting reasons
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that I don't care to get into I don't want to try to get into the mind of this individual and play around in there for
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too long but the other thing is the simple fact of just to it's a way for them to keep
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an eye on the investigation to kind of know what's going on one is it fair to say or is it fair to speculate I mean
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that this pig farmer or this ex-pick Farm or whatever he's probably not going to the searches
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he's probably not going to any services for for Molly right I agree with that he
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doesn't even seem to want to talk to police that much it seemed like he was willing and at the start like hey yeah
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yeah I heard you got this thing going on I answer a few questions but when they come back time and time and time again
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is when you say hey these people are wasting my time yeah yeah and well okay so he's he's not coming around so
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I don't know it's well let me get into this well so to me if if this pig farmer is not involved and it's
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fat and she's found on the on the pig farm or near or near then if this individual if this neighbor is
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responsible that that person is watching the case they know that this guy's Under
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Suspicion and then they take that body and they move it to uh the farm therefore raising more suspicion
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well let's talk about this for a little bit and I think it's very smart that law
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enforcement came out and and make the announcement publicly that it was very possible somebody that knew Molly or
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possibly somebody that came in contact with her that harmed her right okay and I say that because of this when this
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case first broke when she was missing in the early days of her missing we kept hearing reports of well this town is so
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close to Interstate 80. somebody could have snatched her up and could have been thousands of miles away very shortly
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within you know a day or two of of this abduction and what I think is important here is law enforcement they knew that
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they needed tips they needed information from the public to help steer the investigation and point them in the
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right direction of what likely happened to this young woman and what they did was by stating that it's somebody that
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that knew her or somebody that knew the community what they're saying is they are really kind of shrinking that
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suspect's pull in the eyes of the public meaning then what you have to think about is okay she attended Iowa
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University all right well there's only so many people that attend or work there or a
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faculty of the University then we have a community that we've already said is only about 1400 people or less so what
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we've done there is we've already Shrunk The Suspect poll where before pull where
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before we were saying it's close to I interstate 80. it could have been anybody in the entire country
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no we're shrinking that down and why is that important because on the 13th of this month a spokesman for the Iowa
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Department of Public Safety gave a much anticipated press conference regarding the status of the case
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we didn't learn a whole lot new about the case as far as evidence or what actually happened to Molly but what he
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did say that was of importance was this that Molly possibly came into contact with someone who harmed her he said that
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they do not feel as though the public at large is at risk he said that while the
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suspect may not be a member of the Brooklyn Community it is likely someone familiar
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with that community and then laid out some things that the public should be on the lookout for with regards to the
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person with people in their lives that could have been involved in the Abduction of Mali they stated
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look for the following a change in normal routine which might include missing school work or routine
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engagements without plausible explanation a vehicle unexpectedly taken to a repair shop or sold or disposed of
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unexpected or intense cleaning of a vehicle possibly at an unusual time of day unexplained lack of contact or inability
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to get in touch with someone you know the evening of July 18th into the morning of July 19th altering of
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physical appearance this would be simple things like the growth or removal of facial hair you know change your hair
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cut color of hair you could color your hair displays of anxiety nervousness stress or irritability unexplained
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injuries changes in consumption of alcohol drugs or cigarettes changes in sleep pattern
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interest in the status of the investigation including close attention to media coverage or an unwillingness to
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discuss the investigation the other thing they did in that press conference Captain was that they announced a new
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website dedicated to Molly's case finding molly.iowa.gov the website allowed people to submit tips anonymously now I
00:33:45
want to talk about this for a second here because we do know we have sounds like breaking news coming out today that
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they could announce that they've found her body and that they have an arrest made but I want to remind everybody
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about that website because of this even if they announced to us later today that
00:34:03
they've made an arrest yeah the case isn't over the investigation is not over if you know something or if you saw
00:34:10
something then you should still go to that website you should still submit that tip you could you should still call
00:34:17
law enforcement and tell them what you saw or what you know to help further this investigation and if you live in
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Brooklyn Iowa and you've not been to that website yet finding molly.iowa.gov go there because of this
00:34:32
the website also contains a map showing some very specific locations where investigators are hoping people might
00:34:40
have witnessed something sometimes we've seen something that's of importance and
00:34:44
we don't we're not even aware of that but if you were in either of any of these locations listed there in that
00:34:50
time where she suspected of having been out on her jog right reach out to them and say hey this is my name I was at
00:34:58
this location at this time and let them know if you saw anything at all all of the locations
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um they're either in or somewhat near Brooklyn of course authorities won't tell us why they are interested in these
00:35:11
particular spots but we can use our imagination right notably one of them is a self-serve car
00:35:18
wash located in town we talked about the possibility of someone needing to clean
00:35:23
a vehicle uh the the spots that were located on this website or or listed on this
00:35:30
website it appears that they cover at least 12 miles in total so meaning that they're
00:35:36
not likely all spots that they believe that she ran past that night but they are spots of interest to these
00:35:44
investigators for some reason well yeah because the car wash always made me wonder if somebody
00:35:50
like accidentally hit her while they're driving hmm somebody's coming home from a bar
00:35:55
somebody has a drinking problem hits her while he's you know driving home it's Molly puts her in the car has to go
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wash his vehicle um and for whatever reason instead of just coming forward and saying this is
00:36:11
what happened that um that they try to cover it up yeah the in the Fitbit portion of this
00:36:19
case is still very interesting and very important to me because it like we said we believe it is missing we believe that
00:36:26
we don't know where it is no one was saying during the course of this that I could find what and what model in fact
00:36:34
this Fitbit was but this is crucial as some fitbits have GPS tracking on them and some allow for Route sharing online
00:36:44
as well so do some iPhone apps that Runners would use well here's what we're going to learn and we're we're probably
00:36:51
not going to learn this in today's press conference but what we're going to learn
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is they're going to do autopsy so we're gonna know how she died um we're gonna know if there's any DNA
00:37:04
evidence on her we're gonna know when she died was she abducted and taken somewhere and was alive for a while
00:37:13
or or did she die the day that she went missing uh we're gonna also I think later find
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out and maybe not even until there's a trial but the information on that Fitbit I
00:37:25
guarantee you they have information I mean it might have her Vital Signs so we might know down to the minute if her as
00:37:34
long as her uh Fitbit was still on and possibly connected to her phone I think we're
00:37:40
gonna know that information uh so I think there's going to be a ton of evidence that comes out in the next a
00:37:47
couple weeks now we might not hear about it till the trial we want to thank everybody that was involved in the
00:37:54
investigation everybody that helped Molly's family along the way yeah and and thank our listeners in our
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garage Army for reaching out to us and encouraging us to take on the task of covering this case
00:38:08
it's just been a it's been a very sad day uh it feels like it's been a lot longer than I know that it has here in
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the garage today a very very sad day and we will hopefully learn more in this press conference and again our hearts
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and our thoughts go out to Molly's family and friends and until next time everybody be good be kind and don't
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