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your makeup grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime foreign [Music] was born in 1982 his birth name was Eric
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Newman his parents were very young when he was born and they divorced and he goes to live with his grandparents but
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they divorce as well Luca is diagnosed with depression in his high school years and he's prescribed medication now in
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2004 is when he first gets in trouble right we see Luca he becomes friends with a 21 year old girl online and she
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has the reported mental capability of a 12 year old he would take advantage of their
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relationship and he ended up taking some of her credit cards and he used these to
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rack up about ten thousand dollars worth of fraudulent charges now there's also the thought that he sexually assaulted
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this woman and videotaped it the sex charge is ultimately dropped he only ends up being charged with the fraud
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charge but at the time he is warned that you have a medical problem and you always need to take medication for this
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medical problem and if you don't your life is going to get messed up in his early 20s we're going to see Luca start
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trying to become some kind of a star some some sort of famous person yeah he's obviously seeking fame and fortune
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and we can see this by things he's trying out for you know we talked about he tried out for the show called plastic
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makes perfect a reality show he gets rejected for that uh he tries out for a show called cover guy it's about finding
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the next male underwear model and he is rejected for that he does some work in the uh porn industry he did a couple of
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of movies I guess um he also did some some dancing and escort work he was also featured in a
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story by naked news I guess this is where they give you a news story but they also strip down as well yeah I
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believe on there he did like some kind of interview where he talked about his work in the adult entertainment industry
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and he didn't go by Luka magnata in this interview he went by one of his other aliases now with Luca we also see a
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developing fascination with serial killers um and it's pretty extensive how how much he gets into this Fascination to
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the point where we see he he claims well it's it's really presented as that somebody else is claiming this that he
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has some kind of relationship with the famous Carla Homolka um that they are dating one another that
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they're in a romantic relationship for people that aren't familiar with her who is she so Carla Homolka was married to a
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guy named Paul Bernardo and one of the cases that they're famous for they were kind of dubbed the Ken and Barbie
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Killers because a lot of people thought they were very young and attractive looking well Carla she was convicted of
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manslaughter she participated in the rape and murder of three younger girls with her husband Paul now the thing is
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though she ended up kind of turning on Paul claiming that she was being physically abused by him right and a lot
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of the evidence they had against Paul came from Carla the problem here though is Paul gets sent away for a long time
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time and Carla gets a slap on the wrist where they both should have been sent away for a very very long time didn't
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they kill her sister or something yes one of the victims was her sister now the thing here is Carla because
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many people considered her to be attractive and the case was very strange and there's a sexual nature to the case
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those two became kind of famous you know in a bad way right in Canada yes it's very popular Canadian case and then the
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thing here is though you have a situation where at some point Carla's going to get out and so there was all
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this talk of once she got out where is she what is she up to much like we've seen in the United States with Casey
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Anthony where is she where is she hiding what's she up to is she in a relationship is she pregnant again she
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was in a movie called trolls well and there was a lot of rumor that Carla hamalka was somewhere on an island
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somewhere maybe she was I don't know I didn't follow it that much the thing here is the Island of Misfit murderers
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well he he links himself Luca links himself to this Carla Homolka saying that they have some kind of relationship
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together and you can he he fabricates these pictures and puts together some kind of photo montage that would give
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you the impression that they're spending time together well you know who said it best Marilyn
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Manson any publicity is good publicity uh I don't know if he was the first one to say it but yeah well I think maybe he
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he changed it and said bad publicity is good publicity right right whatever but Luca adapts this kind of theory right he
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adopts this Theory and he comes forward and he says you know what my name and reputation has been ruined by linking me
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to this Carla Homolka right what reputation well it's pretty obviously he fabricated this whole thing and then he
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comes out to as a rebuttal well later we would learn that remember those packages
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that were arriving with the return address of uh having been sent by a person by the name of Renee bordelet
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well the thing here is that ends up being Carla homolka's name later in life so there again yeah there again we see
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him tying himself to this person that he believes is a famous serial killer and famous for killing people something that
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he also did that I found very strange is he would write his own Wikipedia post so
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it'd be like a post about Luka magnata and all the things that he was doing but but since it wasn't legitimate Wikipedia
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would take them down and I heard this happen multiple times at least two maybe three times
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now he would on his Facebook he ends up posting a link to a video called three guys in one hammer this was a video that
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was unfortunately pretty well watched at the time it's a video of a man being beaten to death by a group of teenagers
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well then afterwards the three guys in the video they kind of became it became a bit of an Internet sensation
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a lot of people watch this video right um the thing here is ultimately these guys are captured and and caught and
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tried and convicted for their their crime right because there's a real murder it wasn't a hoax right and that's
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you know there's some issues I have here with a lot of these like uh crazy videos
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that people want to watch uh you know I get I get that there's some Fascination by it
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but I I don't know I I don't know why people are watching these no and then here's here's a just a little bit of a
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warning today's you know we cover this stuff and we know that we cover a lot of gruesome stuff week after week but I
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feel compelled to put out of a bit of a warning here because today we're going to talk about something that we usually
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don't discuss on the show well yeah Nick ate a lot of beans last night so he's putting out the warning that he's gassy
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a little gassy no that's that's not it at all but what happens here Captain is that because of the the hype and the
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everything surrounding this video three guys and one hammer uh he Luca kind of locks onto this and I think he sees
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something that he wants to be a part of he sees something that he can he can throw out there he can create something
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throw it out there and maybe gain some notoriety of his own and this this is why I threw out the warning here because
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he starts well he some one quote unquote starts hyping a video called one guy and
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two kittens and this video doesn't come out first for a little bit of time they're just hyping the video okay so
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let's talk about this uh one of the things that Luca does is he will create his profiles but he also creates these
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fictitious profiles so he basically has all these fictitious people that he's running their Pages for commenting on
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this video is coming right this new video is coming and and so hyping it to basically nobody right so when we say
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hyping it well it's going out to nobody and hoping that people come across these
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posts and come across the discussions these fake discussions and now all of a sudden they're excited or want to find
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out what this video is maybe they start talking about it right we'll see this time and time again with Luca basically
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playing both sides of the fence where he's setting up something and then he's also you know forming a rebuttal or or
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creating hype for something he's going to put out himself later well he does put out this video a video called one
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guy and two kittens and in the video what you can see this is the warning yes what you can see is a guy I'll keep it
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short a guy plays is two kittens in a bag and basically sucks the air out of the bag with a vacuum cleaner
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um it's despicable stuff and unfortunately this video gets Luca quote unquote the
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fame he was looking for well he doesn't get Fame he's getting attention but to him it's giving him Fame yeah it's
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giving him the notoriety people were talking about him people were talking about the video online but they're not
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technically calling him Luca is what I'm the point I'm trying to make yes they're
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talking about this video because in the video he is unidentified right um so this is an extremely unhealthy
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Obsession of becoming famous to the point of hurting others or hurting creatures of any type
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um the thing here is this this unhealthy Obsession of his kind of creates and Sparks a healthy Obsession amongst
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others a Facebook group is started uh by a person named Ryan Boyle he's a good man on a mission he very very quickly
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thousands of people join his army and his Crusade they are going to hunt this man in the video they're going to hunt
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the Creator and the person that they see in the one man and two kittens video and
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how they're going to hunt this person is going to do through do so with technology and through uh different
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computer and social media uh Avenues they start looking for the man that they call the vacuum kitten killer or the
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serial cat killer within about 24 hours uh the killer released two photos what we're going to see here is that we're
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going to see the person that they're hunting starts taunting the group that is hunting him right um then someone
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planted a photo on a website this is showing a man that is he's on a bed he's posing with kittens with two kittens
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these appear to be the same two kittens that were in the vacuum video that were killed in the vacuum video so then these
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uh you know web detectives decide hey this guy is probably the same guy right yeah and then what they start doing is
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is basically with metadata and all that stuff they can start trying to figure out where the picture was taken what
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time the picture was taken and basically through a bunch of their research they start realizing a lot of these a lot of
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these items that are in the videos as far as couches or chairs or whatever match up with all these pictures that
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Luca has posted of himself in his apartment and then after that while they're looking and they believe they're getting
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close to finding their guy someone creates a post or an email and it reads the name of the kitten
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vacuumer you are looking for is Luca magnata he was born in Russia lives in Los Angeles and has lived in several
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different countries the apartment in the video is located in West Hollywood hope
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this helps I am 100 serious and a lot of people suspected that this post was made
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by Luca himself yeah and now armed with this information with this name these web sleuthers these computer detectives
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they're going to go and look and find everything that they can find on a person named Luca Magnotta now they
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start pouring through all of the images they can find of him online and like the
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captain said they know that there's information inside those images right embedded in the data yes and what they
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end up doing is they find a photo that will give them a GPS stamp this photo they learned was taken in Toronto Canada
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in late October um the images of him of Luca with the kittens were taken in November so they
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know that they're getting close to this guy and these these web detectives they pass their information to the police and
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now the police begin looking for Luca Magnotta now the thing here is Luca had officially changed his name to Luka
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magnata in 2006. so this is this is a real name this isn't just a fake name he was going by this was a real name
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hey you want me to stay away from this subject hey um this was a real name I'm not changing my name legally to the
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captain however the the police learned very quickly that they're not able to just go to their system type in Luca
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McNaughton and have a whole bunch of information come up this guy doesn't seem to have much of a paper trail you
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know that doesn't really exist on paper yeah they can't find an address for him they can't find like we said there's no
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paper trail for this guy and and just a reminder I mean like we talked about those
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those the allegations of sexual assault and the fraud fraudulent charges those are under a different name right so they
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won't even see him come up in the system on that then about a year later in November December of 2011 there were
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more videos posted um in one of these videos you can see a man wearing like a Santa Claus hat and
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he he feeds he feeds a kitten to a to a python a live kitten to a to a python in the
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other video a kitten is duct taped to a broom handle and drowned in a bathtub now the FBI you know it's no there's no
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secret here of what people believe this kind of behavior will lead to you know when you have somebody that
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normal people can't do what he's doing in this these videos right you know people that have a heart and have a soul
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don't do what he's doing in these videos this often leads to people committing crimes against human beings after these
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atrocities against animals and we've seen this multiple times with different serial killers on December 3rd the sun
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runs an article that is titled catch psycho who fed kitten to python now two days later this this is weird man again
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we see him reacting to his own behave Behavior to his own actions two days later we have Luca Magnotta he walks
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into the sun to the newspaper and he denies that it was him he denies that it's him in the videos he denies that he
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has anything to do with this he's he's interviewed by a journalist there Alex West now about two days later the son
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received this email that read it's fun watching people work so hard Gathering all of the evidence then not being able
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to name or catch me you see I will always win I always hold the trump card and I will continue to make more movies
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next time you hear from me it will be in a movie I Am producing that will have some humans in it not just [ __ ] right
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so what we have here is this individual the sick individual and at this point too that they know that there's some
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rumors that he's possibly connected to some serial killer or dated a serial killer right so we have evidence that he
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is harming these cats he's not harming them he's killing them he's a complete uh waste of breath as as far as I'm
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concerned um and now this is you know ramping up the seriousness on as on a threat level
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and it's after this threat captain that he moves Luca moves to Montreal and after moving there he starts promoting a
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video he starts promoting his new video that he's going to call One Lunatic and one ice pick now but he also actually
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sends a video or post a video uh somewhere where it's like uh it's the intro Montage to catch me if you can I'm
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talking about that movie yeah Frank Abagnale not abinale not Abigail abanal well one of the things Captain to
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promote let's say promote this new movie that he's going to put out called One Lunatic one ice pick is someone posted
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on a website stating Luca magnata is an extremely dangerous and sick psychopath he is incapable of feeling remorse
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Psychopaths can appear very charming and look beautiful but beware they are cunning and highly maniacal
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attached to this were links to news stories about the cat killer and then it was on May 25th that the video titled
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One Lunatic and one ice pick was published to the web right and so then we know what happens next right and so
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he's he's captured and now he has to be put on trial mcnatta elected to be Tried
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by judge and jury he pled not guilty uh admitting to the acts of which he was accused but claiming diminished
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responsibility due to mental disorders now some of the evidence that they saw at the trial itself was parts of that
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video were shown to the jury and some of the evidence as well was six tools these
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were the tools that we talked about yesterday that were found recovered just outside of Luka magnata's apartment
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these are items believed to have been part of the murder itself as well as the dismemberment of John Lin and they
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include a pair of scissors two knives a screwdriver and an oscillating saw and Hammer these were never 100 percent
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directly linked to the murder but they were found in close proximity to such and as we said they were able
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unfortunately had to watch part of the video at the trial and they and they found a psychiatrist that came forward
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you know after doing tests and after talking with uh Luca as much as he did he came out to say well look he
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shouldn't he should be found not guilty reason of insanity yeah his guilt was never a question it was what is his
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responsibility is he criminally responsible for his acts and that was Dr Watts who came forward he said he
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interviewed uh magnata 40 or 40 more 40 plus times yeah and if you're interested
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in this like you know psychology and stuff like that this is a very interesting interview you can find it on
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YouTube pretty easy if you just type in the doctor's name one thing that he was learning Dr Watts was learning from
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magnata was that magnata believed that a witch named Debbie was constantly looking at him through uh windows and he
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also stated that for a good part portion of his adult life and a lot of the evil
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things he did things that were depicted in those videos he was being controlled by some kind of person within him or or
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directed by someone only he could see yeah he was being controlled by a lie yeah you know this is all [ __ ] you
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know like I do respect this doctor I mean I I respect the interview that I saw on him and some of his theories on
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Luka magnata but all this is just a bunch of Malarkey this is a this is a sick individual that gets off on getting
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attention because they never got attention when they were a kid and all these stories about these witches and
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these demons telling them to do stuff it's a bunch of horse [ __ ] well I mean he we see from ignata that he has no
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problem being an actor he loves turning on that phone and recording himself and turning on the camera and acting in in
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stories that he's creating you know so he has some evil creativity he has some acting ability I I'm with you I didn't
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get any bad vibes from that doctor from Dr Watts I I enjoyed his interview but I'm with you I think that this is a lot
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a lot of this is an act I think he had some pre-diagnosed conditions that would help
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further believe that he was probably suffering from a lot of things at the time right but he ultimately he he ran
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he fled from well from the crime not only playing that but you know he tried to cover his tracks you know and and
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stuff like that that's that's that's the thing to me it's like you know one I think this was premeditated you know we
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we talk about him hyping the video so it's all premeditated then he's trying to flee he was trying to you know be
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smarter than the the cops and anybody looking for him you know he kills you know cats you know a piece of [ __ ] you
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killed a cat and then you're gonna go online because you have zero friends zero things going on in your life and
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you're gonna taunt people by killing cats you know you're you're one of the biggest pieces of [ __ ] we've ever had to
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cover well and ultimately the trial doesn't last terribly longer I think it was like 12 weeks or something like that
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but ultimately he is convicted of the murder of John Lin um and you know for a while they were
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looking into Luca for other possible crimes um and I think they they tried to tie
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him to one that took place in California but there was really truly no link there
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yeah and I you know I applaud this jury for looking at the evidence and saying hey look based off all these these
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things he's not you know criminally you know defined as being insane yes and the thing here is
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Captain you know I've had some people ask me you know because of this particular case and we've seen other
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evidence of this as such on YouTube and Facebook and things like that I've had some people ask me you know what are
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your thoughts on on YouTube what are your thoughts about these violent crimes getting put on the web for people to see
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are you do you are you upset that these Outlets exist so creating people making people want to create these videos and
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put these things out and the thing here is Captain in my humble opinion anytime I've heard about
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these or read about these stories I believe I'm hearing and reading about people that would commit these horrible
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crimes anyway um we might be in some way fortunate that they are dumb enough to put it on
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the web uh because it ultimately leads to their capture well what are your thoughts on Luca that's just an
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individual um I'm not going to lie to you I do see somebody that I believe suffers from
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some illnesses yeah he definitely has some mental illness the one the one that really where I called into question my
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own thoughts about Luca there's a video of him where he's I think he's like listening to Madonna and he looks like
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he's almost dressed himself up like Madonna like he's got the fake blonde hair and the Very he's put on a lot of
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powder on the face and the red lipstick and he thought a typical Friday night bro and he he he's coming off like he's
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giving some kind of interview or if somebody's asking him to be on camera and the thing that bothered me so much
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about it was he was believable to me it it had I not known his personality had I
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not had more evidence about who this guy was I think I would have believed somebody else was in the room with him
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recording him and that caused me to question a lot of his his mental state however like you said
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like I said this is somebody that that fled from a crime he knew was wrong you know you can't be criminally insane if
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you do something and you know it's wrong and you flee the area yeah and the more
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I dove into this individual I mean there's parts of him that I feel bad for Juan there was talk about being abused
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when he was a child and being beat a lot also just uh you know being kind of picked on in school but also maybe not
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even paid attention to where nobody even he was the invisible kid or something so
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there's parts of that I feel bad for and then maybe that was the reason why he was trying to be famous it didn't seem
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like he was going after having a skill I mean it's one thing if you want to be like a bodybuilder or a musician or
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actor or something it doesn't didn't seem like he want to do anything you don't want to get good at anything like
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when he talks about well I go to the gym I go to the gym all the time you didn't
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lift you didn't lift one single weight you know maybe you lifted some cheerio goes in the morning but uh so it you
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know all that stuff is very difficult for me uh because I feel bad on those levels uh and I also feel like you know
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maybe because of the mental illness it made his fascination of wanting to be famous for almost no reason
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um like get way out of control and I think that's something when when they when they look into this individual more
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and when you'll you'll see books eventually about him and movies about him I think they need to really dive
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into that because I think that was a lot more fuel uh on that fire fascinating stuff let's take a beer break Captain
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because when we get back we have a very special guest joining us in the garage foreign
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[Music] we're back cheers everybody cheers and we have a very special guest with us in the garage
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here today calling in from north of the Border up in Canada we have the host of The Great show True murder journalist
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and true crime author Dan zapanski The Godfather of True Crime well thank you very much it's a great pleasure I'm a
00:31:36
big fan of the show so uh I'm always interested in talk about True Crime Dan when the story first broke about Luca
00:31:43
magnotto what was your initial reaction well it's after working with Sydney tierhouse and the subject of trophy kill
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what I realize is that we had a new Legion of Psycho Killer where they didn't really have the time or the
00:32:01
the will to kill 40 or 50 people to get famous so they had to create a such a sensational crime
00:32:08
and combine all the elements of all their serial killer Heroes into one magnificent and shocking crime and I
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thought that's what Luka Magnotta had achieved so Dan did you know that there was a suspect right away because when
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news was coming out down here we were unaware that there was already a suspect and already a Manhunt underway did you
00:32:28
anticipate a lengthy investigation I don't know if I I can't remember exactly what I thought in those terms but
00:32:35
quickly I gathered as much information as was reported and they soon found the body of uh Lin Jun the 33 year old
00:32:45
computer science student and so the Manhunt was on and they were looking for Luca magnata but in the stories quickly
00:32:54
there came to be the story of the kitten killer one boy two kittens and the hunt
00:32:59
the American and International Hunt for Luca magnata and they had named Luca Magna was various characters including
00:33:07
the Barbie twins and the panzarella from Rescue Inc and these guys had identified
00:33:13
Luca Magnotta as the kitten killer and they were already on his tail reporting him to the police so that investigation
00:33:20
helped identify Luca Magnotta and understand the story of Luka magnatus so when he was on the run I knew he was a
00:33:29
psychopathic killer a very unique one that obviously posted the murder set the music on a site very much like somebody
00:33:39
promoting a music video or movie he had been online previously promoting this video that was to come and it actually
00:33:49
spoken to a UK Sun reporter and it predicted that he would be in a movie involving humans and wouldn't be just
00:33:56
[ __ ] anymore this is what quickly had come out from mainly from the investigation that was underway looking
00:34:04
for this kitten killer somebody who had affixiated a couple kittens on a video and posted it on YouTube so very quickly
00:34:11
there was enough of the story that I could see what kind of character we had and then quickly they were tracking them
00:34:18
internationally through Interpol and they quickly made an arrest so it was a story that
00:34:23
I quickly got immersed in and got a fair amount of information and then when the
00:34:28
trial came there was more supplementary information a very famous Canadian publication named
00:34:36
Luca magnata the newsmaker of the year now of course that's what he's trying to achieve with his actions does this
00:34:45
solidified does this validate his horrible and unspeakable actions well I think those McLean's magazine because
00:34:51
that's our pretty well equivalent of say Time Magazine we don't have too many of those
00:34:56
types of magazines but I think the notoriety that he wanted to achieve I think they have a point
00:35:03
there that it's in bad taste to call it this person the newsmaker of the year uh but yet at
00:35:10
the same time it it conveys and supports the idea that Canadians are very very uh
00:35:18
different than Americans about the issue of True Crime and in particular cases that Fascinate the public
00:35:25
we don't have our cases video uh videotaped so are televised or any of the court cases televised so it's a
00:35:34
completely different environment and with that comes a completely different attitude so if you think Americans would
00:35:41
be shocked by this type of crime well Canadians are even more shocked and repulsed and really don't want to know
00:35:47
the details you're at ask your average Canadian do you know who Luca Magnotta is they would say well yeah I heard of
00:35:54
them but they would not be able to give you recall any of the details of the case and it wasn't of particular
00:36:00
interest to them there have been no books about Luca Magna published whatsoever in Canada and one of the big
00:36:08
debates in this case was Luca magnata insane at the time of the murders yeah Lucas case often gets compared to the
00:36:17
Greyhound bus killer case in your opinion Dan was Luca's Insanity was it an act or was it real well here's the
00:36:24
thing as I is by Chronicle in my episode Psycho Killer superstar that there was plenty of evidence to support that he
00:36:33
had a diagnosis of schizophrenia paranoid schizophrenia he had been hospitalized numerous times
00:36:40
his father was schizophrenic and recommended him to his own psychiatrist so it's well documented he did have I
00:36:49
don't know if you could say bipolar or schizophrenia of designation or diagnosis but definitely mental illness
00:36:56
that can be was documented and proven yet at the same time when you talk about the insanity defense and you brought up
00:37:05
the Greyhound bus cannibal killer where you talk of the definition of insanity where a person would well as the
00:37:13
Greyhound bus killer would fit that definition with uh Luca magnana trying to evade capture
00:37:21
doing all this promotional stuff for years creating a 70 Facebook accounts creating rumors about himself dating
00:37:32
Carla hamalka one half of the serial killer Bernardo and hamalka everything he did to create a different
00:37:41
or a an image of himself as more successful so again delusions of grandeur and again narcissism on display
00:37:51
the notoriety that he he craved and yet at the same time he could be schizophrenic it could be bipolar it
00:38:00
could be paranoid schizophrenic and yet he could be a psychopathic killer it could be both and I think that's what we
00:38:07
had here and I think because usually there is some Traction in court not just with the Greyhound bus killer
00:38:15
but other cases that I've reported on where the insanity defense is now a pretty good defense whether your client
00:38:23
is insane or not because we have a different definition than the American courts
00:38:29
on that insanity but I think the public was so revolved by this person not only killing this
00:38:37
human being just to be famous and just for the experience and just for the notoriety
00:38:42
and then sending body parts to the Canadian government officials which they received and to an elementary school
00:38:49
which was luckily intercepted that this person didn't get much traction in court whatsoever with the
00:38:58
insanity defense and I think from my experience that Luca Magnotta did not want to be known as a
00:39:07
somebody to feel sorry for a sick killer he wanted to be known as a person that was a psychopathic killer that posted
00:39:17
his disgusting video of necrophilia and cannibalism and dismemberment set to music he wanted to be an original a
00:39:27
unique more shocking more sensational and utilizing social media like no one else had used and utilized before so the
00:39:38
answer is that I think he was proven to be mentally insane have serious issues life schizophrenia and bipolar disorder
00:39:50
and yet you look at this crime per definition of insanity he doesn't fit the bill
00:39:57
and he also fits the bill as a totally Psychopathic killer so not only is your guys's definition of you know criminally
00:40:07
insane different than ours but the sentencing is different as well how would have Luca's punishment been
00:40:15
different from what he received had he been found not criminally responsible well in his case he was convicted of
00:40:22
first degree murder with a minimum of 25 years before parole eligibility the insanity
00:40:31
designation means that for example the Greyhound bus cannibal killer has no criminal record whatsoever it's not
00:40:38
murder not even a criminal conviction he's released without a criminal record and changes his identity and is free to
00:40:46
go so now we just have another case of a person was not criminally responsible he
00:40:54
killed the police officer with a snow plow and he has been released after six years
00:41:00
which is the same amount of time as the Greyhound bus cannibal killer six years so you can see there's a huge difference
00:41:09
uh in the amount of time that you may be able to serve so you you can see that also that the small very very minuscule
00:41:19
percentage of insanity a successful Insanity defenses in the U.S pales in comparison to the defenses
00:41:29
that have been used recently especially and the advances in the insanity defense in
00:41:36
Canada make it I think that predictably a lawyer would be doing the best thing for his clients
00:41:43
so I think they are sometimes when it looks like it when people say that crime seems to be insane I think then they can
00:41:51
at least attempt for their clients an insanity defense which will mean that their client can be out in as little as
00:41:59
six years and who knows with precedent setting cases in this country if that's six
00:42:05
years for for the most extreme killer like the Greyhound bus killer you can imagine it may be people with
00:42:13
just one murder one not so sensationalistic murder may be released even in less time well it's insane to
00:42:19
think that Luka Magnotta would have been out just in six years for this horrendous crime if he would have been
00:42:26
found criminally insane Dan from an outsider's perspective it appears that Canada might be focusing on
00:42:34
treatment and Rehabilitation for violent offenders is this progress or is this a
00:42:39
step back I don't think it's progress when the psychiatrist for Vincent Lee the Greyhound bus killer
00:42:49
said after five years before the release or say four years that Vincent Lee hadn't hallucinated in a
00:42:58
year and that he was confident that because he had responded so well to the medication again under a completely
00:43:08
super controlled environment and then he was released for fresh air walks and visits to the beach and gradually more
00:43:15
and more restrictions were listed were lifted but as far as I could see from all my experience
00:43:23
being an older person and looking at this kind of stuff for years is that it looked like they were
00:43:31
really interested in making Vincent Lee a sort of a poster boy for psychiatric real Rehabilitation which means drugs it
00:43:42
means antipsychotic medication and then people will say well how do you know they're going to take the medication and
00:43:47
I say well how do you know the medication works how can and they set the risk the
00:43:54
psychiatrist laugh to me it's laughable that he would set the risk Factor at two percent saying well listen
00:44:04
there's only about two or three percent chance of of reoffending yeah that's Malarkey and another case where they
00:44:10
just let out the guy said to kill the police officer after six years they have two nurses doctors uh Health officials
00:44:19
go and and give him his medication twice a day on the weekdays and once a day on
00:44:25
the weekends so if that's the kind of precautions you have to do to make sure that this person that you've already
00:44:32
deemed is harmless in society remains harmless then it really is a tether that really is only
00:44:40
conditional on whether whether those drugs always work and always work so well and very little monitoring by any
00:44:49
psychiatrist and again this is what we're faced with in terms of the fear in in the U.S that a person
00:44:57
responsible for some of these type crimes would someday possibly be exiting the hospital
00:45:05
to possibly reoffend we don't have that we have the possibility that they there's not a possibility they will be
00:45:13
released it looks like there'll be no reason not to release these people regardless of the offense
00:45:22
and in short order and the tether is the guarantee is the efficacy of those anti that
00:45:30
anti-psychotic medication we've seen recently that Luca Magnotta was scheduled to be married uh there's some
00:45:37
things coming out in letters where he's stating that he gets to watch movies he gets movie channels he can watch any
00:45:43
title that he wants he's been on dating websites uh where is the punishment is this too many freedoms when does Lucas
00:45:53
start to feel like he is being punished that he is a person living in a cage he didn't provide any of these privileges
00:46:00
to his victim it doesn't seem like he's being denied a lot of privileges now well yeah it kind of seems like the
00:46:07
parents sent the kid to the room for the punishment but by the way there's a big
00:46:11
screen TV internet access and all this stuff what kind of punishment is that it feels and it sounds like he's at summer
00:46:18
camp he's just not allowed to leave well I wish I could tell you that he wouldn't
00:46:23
be eligible for conjugal visits but I think he made me eligible for conjugal visits
00:46:30
it's a I understand and I believe in Rehabilitation but I don't believe like very many people and the experts agree
00:46:39
with with me I would think all they do in that there are certain crimes and certain criminals that cannot be
00:46:45
rehabilitated as simple as that and so rehabilitation in general for people incarceration in prisons
00:46:54
absolutely a bright idea and a proven good idea but it's not a proven good idea to think
00:47:02
you can rehabilitate people simply with the amount of time and as we found out too just because
00:47:08
someone is of good behavior in prison they could certainly reoffend and you're seeing things in Canada that I've spoken
00:47:16
about on my program about murder turning into manslaughter with diminished responsibility say with
00:47:25
alcohol that if a person were were drunk then that murder charge now turns into a manslaughter and that
00:47:35
manslaughter even though you could get life sentence the precedent setting typical sentences
00:47:41
10 years or less and we've seen in Canada of things that would be regarded in the U.S easily
00:47:48
as murder regarded as manslaughter and that person in a prison situation is doing two or
00:47:56
three or four years and then released again and now we just see in the little small
00:48:03
place that I'm right now the same situation where another person that was charged previously for murder
00:48:10
is released and is charged again Dan you wrote a book called trophy kill and in that book you covered the case of Sydney
00:48:18
terruse there are a lot of obvious similarities between that case you covered and the Luca Magnotta case can
00:48:26
you tell us about your experience and about the book trophy kill trophy kill featured Sydney tier Hughes and when he
00:48:35
saw an opportunity to become famous for killing he took a victim and dismembered him
00:48:44
almost surgically and then cut them into eight pieces and castrated them and did a bunch of mutilations and
00:48:53
then reassembled him crudely again obviously not literally but for display and for shock value
00:49:02
and because the victim had stolen Susan Sarandon's gold necklace from the movie shall we dance the gold necklace was
00:49:10
found at the crime scene which sent the story around the world because of the celebrity connection now nobody wanted
00:49:22
especially the movie business didn't want any connection to their movie shall we dance with this
00:49:27
and so they said that the jewelry had nothing to do with the motive for the killing but the jewelry had everything
00:49:32
to do with the motor for the killing because that killer Sydney Tyrus thought he could get famous by butchering a
00:49:39
human being in such a sensationalistic manner but he didn't stop there he went and
00:49:45
contacted journalists and some of them were very very shy about getting involved in this case
00:49:51
in the case in particular and I wasn't and so I became involved and he revealed all kinds of things about the the
00:49:59
necrophilia his utter enjoyment of the defiling and the dismemberment and everything involved with this
00:50:09
experience of killing and these are the kinds of stories that would appear in the Canadian media
00:50:15
uh Sydney terhuse seemed to be competing with his Heroes as he told me his Heroes
00:50:22
uh Jeffrey Dahmer Dennis Nielsen John Wayne Gacy Ted Bundy he'd been influenced these were his role models
00:50:29
his serial killer Role Models he was influenced by all of the successful serial killers in the U.S because really
00:50:39
just like a musician or an author or a Movie Maker there is no success in Canada unless you have American success
00:50:46
so we all dream in Canada of being successful in the US in the Arts and when these people believe they're
00:50:52
artists they're filmmakers very much like the filmmaker in Edmonton uh that lured somebody into his
00:51:02
his garage to film and kill and then document what he had done because he was a filmmaker and Sydney saw the
00:51:10
dismembered body as his art creation he he described the body as a human trophy hence the title trophy kill
00:51:20
and so Luca magnata had seen the success of the filmmaker Mark twitchell in Edmonton and he made it to Dateline two
00:51:29
hour special and then Sydney Tyrus made the front pages and then all around the world
00:51:35
because it was a celebrity connection and so by the time Luca Magnotta came around he was aware as these guys all
00:51:44
are aware of the upcoming serial killers on the rise and the legends and what the Legends did
00:51:53
and how they became the leaders the most infamous and he said well necrophilia cannibalism
00:52:05
filming it so that it's for posterity it's captured forever posting it on social media on a Gore site that has 10
00:52:14
thousands of people visit every day then creating the hype and creating a whole interesting model porn star
00:52:23
background for himself reality star background for himself created by himself so that's what the connection was is
00:52:33
that Sydney tried to outdo everybody else and get famous with one and then intimate that he was and insinuated he
00:52:41
was a serial killer and Luca Magnotta didn't have the time like the Green River Killer to kill 49.
00:52:47
so he just killed one in the most sensationalistic manner he could think of so is there similarities there's
00:52:55
similarities in the same kind of mindset and they are not alone but it's a new Legion of killers that love the
00:53:06
attention from social media like Killers have done in the past but these in a different Society this is even more
00:53:14
important is the fame from the murder it's crazy to me because it seems like these psychopaths are
00:53:21
doing anything they can to become famous even if that's murder yeah Dan is this a
00:53:27
new form of sickness is this a new illness that that the internet has brought to us seeking fame and fortune
00:53:35
through murder I think it's a symptom of the madness that we live in where uh compulsion and obsession
00:53:46
and Distortion of fact not Distortion effect Distortion of reality if people are living lives that are
00:53:55
unsatisfying but yet can live online and live a different life at least they think that's the that
00:54:03
that's the attempt I think it's a symptom symptomatic of sort of a Mad World you have all kinds
00:54:11
of people that really haven't achieved anything and and yet they want to do something like this just for the
00:54:18
notoriety just to be famous at something and I think it's an a misunderstanding that everybody has the same kind of
00:54:25
values I think there are a lot of people through a lot of various reasons they just are the opposite and of a lot
00:54:36
of people and have different values and completely have been conditioned to think differently about the world
00:54:45
and they're angry and they don't achieve much and they think they're not a part of something
00:54:52
and I think when you have just enough people interested in the same deviant thing
00:54:59
that you may be interested in it gives that person comfort and thinking that they're they are finally in part of a
00:55:06
community that understands them so I I think mental illness can be combined with the same
00:55:14
Psychopathic tendencies that and put those things together and things like drug abuse as well you can have a
00:55:23
combination of things factoring in to some of these crimes and some of these killers I'm still kind of freaking out I
00:55:32
appeared after about 20 minutes or so I'd calmed down but we were in the garage with Dan zupanski The Godfather
00:55:40
True Crime pretty wild and Dan we really appreciate your time here today is there
00:55:45
anything regarding this case that stood out to you uh any Lasting Impressions anything that we didn't get to like I
00:55:52
talk about and I think which is the most horrifying Twilight zone-esque kind of aspect of it is that the father of the
00:55:59
victim Lin John traveled from China um really couldn't understand the language so much but he came to attend
00:56:07
the trial and at the end unbelievably this unrepenting Psycho Killer through his lawyer agreed with Lin
00:56:18
John's father that Lin John's father would want to speak with Luka Magnotta because he had unanswered questions
00:56:25
about the death of his son and I could almost hear the music from Twilight Zone when I was reading that
00:56:31
because that would be the most horrifying experience I think for him and the most gratifying experience for
00:56:40
Luka magnata yeah you're you're exactly right hey thank you Dan for calling into
00:56:45
the garage it was a pleasure having you in the garage with us this evening yeah thank you Dan and congratulations on
00:56:52
your book trophy kill very well done and the success of your podcast true murder
00:56:57
thank you very much uh I'm a big fan of True Crime garage thank you very much Nick have a great day wow I think we
00:57:04
made it I think we made it we had the Godfather calling into the garage to talk with
00:57:10
little old captain and little old Nick yeah I think we got a new new friend of the show in Dan zabanski well that's
00:57:16
because he didn't meet us in person it was a very Wayne's World moment you know like when they met Alice Cooper and
00:57:24
they're going we're not worthy we're scum we're slime Danza panski just put out his hand and
00:57:32
kissed the Rings right so the recommended reading this week is of course pick up Dan zupansky's book
00:57:39
trophy kill the shall we dance murder and you heard him talk about it in his own words if regarding the Luka Magnotta
00:57:47
case there's so many similarities here you almost feel like he was somewhat inspired by the killer that is featured
00:57:54
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00:58:29
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00:58:34
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00:58:40
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00:58:48
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00:58:54
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00:59:02
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00:59:08
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