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Chambers [Music] well several people are being questioned but so far no arrest yet in the brutal
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murder of a Penola County Mississippi teenager well even seasoned investigators are calling Jessica
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Chambers murder the most brutal crime they've ever seen the 19-year-old was found Saturday near courland Mississippi
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she was set on fire inside our car and died later wg's April Thompson tells us how her family says they're barely
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barely holding on I've been doing it 21 years now and as far as the manner of death this is is certainly one of the
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worst I've ever dealt with District Attorney John Champion said Tuesday investigators are leaving no stone
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unturned for the killer of 19-year-old Jessica Chambers we're bringing you know folks in to interview and talking to
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different uh you know potential Witnesses uh but as far as arrests are concerned there have been none made
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champion wouldn't talk about chambers's autopsy results or her activities the night she died he did say investigators
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are checking her cell phone to see who she'd been talking to something went wrong and we don't know what yet
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Charlotte Wilkerson says she was brought in for questioning after her phone number showed up and they took you know
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they took her phone records and I was in there as she called me auntie Shasha and
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I was in there Shasha and I went and you know talked to them just Sunday evening
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she was a loving child man 19 years old just just finished high school you know had a whole life in front of her Ben
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Chambers Jessica's father says he's in pain knowing how terribly she must have suffered 98% of her body was burnt only
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thing was burnt was the bottom of her feet um it's just destroyed our family man it
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it's destroyed our family he says he has faith that investigators will find who's
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responsible for his daughter's death and is touched by the show of support from people who've heard about the tragedy
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from New York to East Coast to West Coast people I've never even heard a dream call me you know like Saturday
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night they all going to light a candle for my [Music] door December 6th 2014 this case takes place in courland
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Mississippi which is in the northern part of the state we have a young woman Jessica Chambers she's 19 years old
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graduated from high school and she is staying at her mom's house and she goes to a gas station nearby the home uh and
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she tells her mother that she is leaving to go clean out her car and to go get something to
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eat um Within a few hours of that you know she is found in a situation that is is horrible beyond belief MH and this
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story very quickly becomes national news Jessica does not come home that night and unfortunately she will be dead by
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the next day and yes all the cases that we cover are pretty brutal but this one is uh especially brutal so if you're
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sensitive to that stuff uh we we normally try to stay away from from the gore and the graphic nature of all the
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crimes going into details but with the Jessica Chambers case uh some of that we can't get around so if you're sensitive
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to that then uh you might want to not listen to this episode at 809 p.m. the uh fire department is going to respond
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to a vehicle on fire call now fortunately in this situation they were able to arrive very quickly to this uh
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to this call because they were just on recent call uh of a house on fire that they were leaving previously that put
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them in the area when they arrive they are greeted with with a horrible sight this is a young woman and she's been
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very badly burned well I mean I think you're skipping over it I mean let me handle this for a second the
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firefighters show up at the scene there's a car Ablaze their first concern obviously is is there anybody in the
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vehicle and they don't assume so this is a firefighter group these are all volunteers it's a very small
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town but then out of the darkness comes this figure and it's this young lady 90% of her body is
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burnt and I I couldn't even imagine what that site would be for them and so now we have a whole
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different situation we're not just putting out this fire now we got to take care of this I mean she's 90% burnt over
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her whole body pretty much the only thing that wasn't burnt was the soles of her feet and now they are she is telling
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them or trying to communicate with them uh then they end up rushing her to the hospital yeah they they Life Flight her
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out of there u in a helicopter trying to save her life and she's in an extremely
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bad condition bad shape she does try to talk to uh one of the First Responders and it's later rumored that excuse me
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somebody at the scene had said that she had tried to tell them who had attacked her right and that she had may had said
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the word Derek or Eric um but this person was uncertain now the the police were very quick to come out and say that
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you know we cannot say with certainty that she said who attacked her all we can say is that she did communicate with
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the first responders and we are working on using that as a lead so unfortunately
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when when they arrive when the First Responders arrive you know as the captain said they're responding to a car
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on fire that's all they're expecting to see you know Vehicles get in accidents cars catch on fire you know this is a
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small town we're talking like 400 maybe 500 people live in this area and so they're not expecting to show up and see
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anything out of you know above and Beyond a car on fire and so when when they see the young woman when they see
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Jessica Chambers she's described as stumbling blindly on the road um and she she again as mentioned she does go up to
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the First Responders who are going to try to save her and she's Whispering or trying to communicate with them in some
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fashion and she's saying what what has been echoed as either Eric or Derek um again this is not confirmed Med by
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either law enforcement or the district attorney um they they've been really good about keeping everything close to
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their vest in this case now one thing they would say after they uh rushed her out of there they sent her to a hospital
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in Memphis Tennessee um but she could not be saved uh and they were reporting that she had received burns on 90% of
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98% of her body and that doctors could not even insert a breathing tube because her Airway had been so badly damaged now
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Jess Jessica's mother Lisa Chambers states that Jessica went to go clean out her car and then she was going to go get
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something to eat and she never came home her father Ben would later tell the news
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and media a little more about how his daughter was found you know he says that the fire department arrived Jessica was
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walking down the road and on fire the only part of her body that wasn't burned was the bottom of her feet and he would
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go on to say that they whomever did this they squirted light fluid fluid lighter
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fluid lighter fluid down her throat and in her nose and apparently she had been knocked out uh before this took place
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because she had a big gash on top of her head yeah so you have the gash on the head and the the interesting thing here
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is they they constantly say lighter fluid it's some kind of accelerant so to to me it's like it it doesn't have to to
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be the car was set on fire with gasoline and then that somebody used lighter fluid to pour down her throat which is
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you know barbaric it chances are to me it's it whatever was used on the car was also
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used on her now how did they get it down her esophagus because she was so badly burned
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inside down her esophagus and then up her like nasal passages mhm and that's why the doctors are saying they could
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not use the breathing tube to uh try to help save her um but you know this is this is why unfortunately because how
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she's found this is why this case became such big news and such national news so
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quickly um we have a young woman who's burned alive and she may have said who who had attacked her to the First
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Responders um you know again investigators would not comment on that to this day but especially back then
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when this case was new in the late part of 2014 now one can only speculate you know I'm sure she probably tried to
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communicate something to the First Responders um however being that disoriented being going you know she's
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probably in shock uh she's got the gash to her head she's so badly burnt possibly even on you know her throat and
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and face as well don't know how or what ability she would have to communicate anything well and again all the these
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reports coming out by her father there is no autopsy report that I could find so again there there's a there's the
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trial happening and so they can't they don't release this information I I at some point the autopsy is going to be
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released and would have more knowledge but based on we can just go based off of what the the father is saying right
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right and that's that was his comments to the news and media and the early goings of this investigation now Ben the
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father he works as a mechanic for the sheriff's department so he may have been privy to some information being that
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he's the father of the victim and that he works with some of the people investigating this case well and also
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his daughter is you know was sent to a hospital she passed away the next day and then just the conversation that he's
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having with the doctors the doctors it's not a full autopsy but the doctors are obviously knowledgeable and the nurses
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are knowledgeable on what's happening with her and her condition to try to save her life now quickly in this
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investigation there's another bit of information that comes out so of course they're trying to piece together Jessica
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Chambers last hours you know what did she do that last day and who may have been with her and could have had the
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means of attacking her that day um and it's quickly reported that a there's a video tape that comes out and this is
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surveillance footage from the gas station that we had mentioned that she had stopped off at uh on the
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surveillance footage you can see Jessica waving to someone out of the view of the
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camera and then she goes over and talks to whom I presume is whomever she was waving to Jessica eventually returns to
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her car she finishes pumping gas and she drives away now during this brief stop at the gas station you can also see a
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man in a striped shirt who appears to be filling up a gas can uh and then he walks off so of course police feel that
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this is a lead and that this is something that they need to find Jessica's killer so with a small town
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and this gas station being a hot spot and all these cameras that are set up at the gas station this is going to be
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something that is going to give law enforcements a lot of Clues and a lot of information to look into yeah and let's
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introduce the district attorney John champion because if you start to look into this case he is he's very prominent
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he's at the Forefront of almost every news uh clip that you're going to see out there and he's given a lot of
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interviews um since this attack um now as said well since this murder yeah uh John Champion is the district attorney
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for the area and he goes on to clear up um a few things and better describe some
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of the surveillance footage and the scene to which firefighters arrive Champion does repeat that Jessica's
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mother had said that the 19-year-old had left the house to clean out her car and
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to get something to eat there had been a rumor going around early in the investigation that Jessica was going to
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go to a party but as anyone can see when you watch the surveillance footage she is not dressed like she's going to go to
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a party she has her hair just like like she just put it up in a bun m and she's wearing what appears to be camouflage P
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pajama pants so she's very extremely casual almost rolled out of bed casual uh plus police would go on to speak with
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persons at the party that it was rumored that she was going to go to and they all
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said that they had never seen Jessica at the party this is all crucial stuff here
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because the authorities are trying to learn what happened to Jessica between the stop at the gas station and then
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about 90 minutes later when she's found in very bad shape and very badly burned Champion also states that Jessica was
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not burning when she was found this was just a rumor she did go up to one of the
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firefighters and she did speak of course Champion would not say what Jessica had
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said but told the news that it certainly has given us a lead that we are following up on he also states that the
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volunteer fire department that had responded to the car Blaze was able to respond so fast because they were only a
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couple miles away at another call when the call came in it was also clear early on that an accelerant as the
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captain had said was used but they were not able to determine if the accelerant was poured on the car or onto Jessica or
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both now Champion believes that the key to everything in this case is her cell phone okay Jessica's phone um he he was
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going under the assumption that she had received a call before she left her house now Jessica's phone was found near
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her car and so there's a bit of a process here okay well let's start with the PJs right right so we got the she's
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wearing PJs so everybody's assuming the her plan that night from all accounts is
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that she was going to go to this party based on the footage it doesn't seem like a lot of logical sense but we're
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also coming from we're old dudes you know like if we are going to a party you know it takes us a long time to get
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ready cuz we you know we look like dog [ __ ] right but this and and yeah and women do will take their time getting
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ready for events but this is also not that uncommon for a girl to oh I got to run to the gas station first I'm in my
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pajamas she could have ran to the gas station and was expecting to come home ch and then go to the party right that
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that's totally possible does that factor into what happened to her is that some kind of lead I don't know but that
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that's a possibility is what I'm saying well it's only a lead because one if she
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actually went to the party which I think they're able to determine that she did not to now from there your next lead is
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going to be okay well who would she have attended this party with had she ended up there and then did they go to the
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party right right was there somebody else missing from the party yeah because now you have to piece together who was
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with her at that moment you know we we have that 90 minutes from the from the time that she leaves the gas station to
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the time that she's found we need to figure out what happened during those 90 minutes now this is why the cell phone
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becomes so important because you know with with the way everybody you know with the way everybody texts and calls
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so much these days there might be a text there could be a phone call that that took place that would lead them to
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figure out how she ended up in that wooded area with her car on fire well what's you know what happens as far as
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for me as far as Fascinations with the case is you have a time frame right you have a window right so you have a window
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and in this case she's at the gas station and then she's found it's a 90-minute window and it's piecing
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together that now today with social media Snapchat all that stuff you these windows of these cases are going to
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become smaller and smaller because we're going to have you know because we how many cases have we covered where we're
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like well nobody really talked to her for days and days and then she was murdered so now you have days and days
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of a window right but now with social media and technology these windows are going to be very small we're going to
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know what happened 15 minutes before or 5 minutes before so that's what they're going on so what I'm also there's a call
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that sends her does the call send her to the gas station like Jessica gets a call mhm
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does that call send her to the gas station or was it just a random call well do you want to get into the gas
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station I think we need to I think we got to talk about the gas station now so what what did she do while she was at
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the gas station that we know about she she arrived uh she was pumping gas she waved to somebody went and spoke to
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somebody um she does go into the gas station and apparently she is friendly with the uh
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store attendant and would speak with him when she would go in there uh he said something to Media later that she had
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purchased for $14 worth of gas which was more than usual for her she was you know
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you know how some people go in you see them at the gas station they give me five on pump too well she was that kind
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of person she she took a few bucks and filled up the car you know on this occasion right it might just be because
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she didn't have money to fill up the tank he just thought that it was a little abnormal because that's that's
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the first thing that the detectives are going to ask him did she do anything or say anything abnormal that night well
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she purchased $14 worth of gas which is considerably more than she usually buys he says that he had commented to her
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about the amount of gasoline purchased and she said that she was she had somewhere to go but did not elaborate on
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that now in the video footage as the captain had said there's a lot of cameras going on here so you see
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different camera views you know camera One camera two and so on and so forth but through piecing all these together
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you can see her movements her her going over and saying hi to somebody she goes into the gas station there are several
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yeah she puts out it looks like she puts out a cigarette before she goes in yeah
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there are several men inside this gas station there's about three of them just hanging out they're they're just hanging
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out like the captain said there's not this is kind of the spot you know the hot spot in town where people would go
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and they would just chat but there's three men kind of hanging out off to her side while she's up paying for uh
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presumably the gas that she purchased well I'm from a small town and for some reason we had a um a car wash that
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people would hang out at there's a bowling alley in a car wash and people would just drive their cars over to the
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car wash and hang out never made any sense to me anyways so yeah people are just is hanging out now is she it looks
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to me as she goes to ATM machine in the footage yeah she she I I don't know if she went to an ATM but
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there there are two transactions that take place with the teller um with the attendant uh she goes in and presumably
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pays for the gas and then it's believed that she went back and purchased a like a pack of cigarettes mhm so again we're
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back to this magical hour or this this 90 minutes of where was Jessica and how did she end up at this wooded area now
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the the thing that's troubling here is you know the captain asked why was she at the gas station it may just have been
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to pick up cigarettes and and gas up the car um we don't know what activity was going on with that cell phone and right
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but but you one could assume like that's what I'm saying we're trying to close out this window and so it's like but one
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could assume if she's going to you know in her PJs to get gas why you're getting
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gas at night for a reason is it for the next day is it to go to this party are you getting cigarettes just because you
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you're a smoker or you get an extra cigarettes cuz you're going to a party see what I'm saying I'm trying to figure
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out what her intention is for later on in the the night right I I think that you know investigators are working off
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of the assumption that they're taking her at her word that she was just simply going to clean out her car and get
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something to eat she's dressed to me as though she's returning to her mom's house afterwards um but yeah you're
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right what what were her intentions after that we don't know well yeah yeah I think you're totally correct her
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intention is to go back to her mom's house but what is her intention after that I mean it's at night why are you
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cleaning up your car are you cleaning up your car CU you want to pick up a guy you I mean think about you know I kind
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of have a messy car here and there but if I was going to pick up a girl for a date I want to clean it out right I want
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I don't want to be Captain slob right they don't you don't want them to get in the car and go uh like there's all these
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you know rappers everywhere so maybe but that's what I'm saying was that her intent and then did she meet up with
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this person earlier you know did she not go back to her mom's house you know right right well well but the the thing
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here is right you've you've got to figure out if she was if she met with the person that
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that that set the fire right or was she carjacked or did something something uh you know get in the way of of her plans
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that evening you know was was she was there a text or a phone call that led her elsewhere right and that's another
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difficult thing about this case I mean it's a fascinating case but because of the trial and because of this you know
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it's not case closed that this information is not out there normally we cover a case and we can say
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Okay based off of the based off the trial and based of what the the cops released we know their phone records
00:28:11
this we're kind of in the dark yeah there there's been very little released on this case and due to that we've seen
00:28:19
nothing but rumor and unfortunately you know this case was very hard to read about and research uh for the obvious
00:28:27
that she was the horrible manner that she was killed right but on top of that there's so many news articles and
00:28:34
there's so many news clips that you will read something in one article and then read another article that that will tell
00:28:41
you that that first one was all rumor you know and and so there's a lot of there's a lot of this back and forth
00:28:47
when you look into this case just a prime example the father says that she was found burning when the First
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Responders arrive and the district attorney quickly says well well that's not true that was just a rumor that was
00:29:00
going on in the area at the time so with these rumors you're going to see this time and time again in this case I mean
00:29:06
very quickly into this investigation by January of 2015 there are some wild theories out there and they're just
00:29:14
about everything that one can think of mentions of the KKK of bikers uh Aryan Brotherhood meth gangs everything that
00:29:23
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beer break all right we're back cheers everybody cheers so we're kneed deep in this case right Captain we have this
00:31:37
young woman who was found and she's been murdered and we're trying to piece together her her last hours before the
00:31:45
attack and before she's killed now as we said there's rumors there's theories coming out why because the detectives
00:31:53
they're holding everything close to the vest here they're not releasing a whole lot of information and this will cause
00:32:00
the rumor mill to run wild right and with Jessica being so brutally you know the murder was so brutal I mean somebody
00:32:08
set her on fire set her car on fire fire as well everybody wants to know answers
00:32:14
everybody wants to know why and they also want somebody to pay for this somebody they want Justice to be served
00:32:22
so a close friend of Jessica a man claiming to be close friends of jessicaa claimed also that Jessica at some point
00:32:29
lived with his mother for about 6 months or so comes out saying well look this is
00:32:34
this is pretty simple this all goes back to her father uh her father Ben so he claims that Jessa Jessica Chambers
00:32:44
father Ben was a meth dealer now like we talked before Jessica's father works for
00:32:52
the police department he's like a mechanic uh but this guy's claim is that on the side that he's also a meth dealer
00:32:59
and this her death is a direct cause of him being a drug dealer and so what he comes out and then the other interesting
00:33:07
thing here is that um her brother Ben not her father but her brother Ben a year or so prior to all this uh was in a
00:33:16
single car accident and he was he died so he also claims that that was related to um the father being a drug dealer
00:33:28
that there's some kind of turf war going on U right there's amongst drug dealers
00:33:33
and that they're attacking Ben's family right basically like hey if we we killed
00:33:39
off your son you know so knock it off and just and and and the hopes that he's going to stop selling uh meth and then
00:33:47
again when that didn't happen now well we're going to kill your daughter he also makes claims that uh Jessica had a
00:33:56
some run with these gangs before uh because of her father as well they're targeting this girl and she was gang
00:34:04
raped twice that was one of the hardest parts about this case for me Captain when I was looking into it there were so
00:34:12
many rumors going on but on top of that for every news story that you would read
00:34:17
you know you have the the blog commenters below that you can read their comments and a lot of them were so a lot
00:34:25
of them were so racist on on on both sides of the tracks I guess you could say you know whether it being uh
00:34:31
African-American people saying racist things because she was a white victim or white people saying uh racist things
00:34:40
about African-American people being you know that that she was you know known to
00:34:45
have dated African-American men and that this case is probably that she pissed off some white boy that was infatuated
00:34:52
with her right the motives being race related yeah and and that's what was was so disconcerning for me when I was
00:34:59
researching this case was that every every news article that I read there was some form of
00:35:05
racism by the readers you know and at some point you got to be looking for justice and not just pointing the finger
00:35:13
at maybe some people you don't like for unknown reasons uh we're talking about a
00:35:18
small town here um this well it seemed to me that a lot of people had you know previous agendas yesly then they're
00:35:27
looking at this case and whatever their agenda is you know so if it's like oh well I don't believe that white women
00:35:34
should date black men so then I see this case and I go oh see this is what happens right and it's like I mean maybe
00:35:42
there is motive for that I mean we talked roughly like it's possible that some of the guys that she dated were in
00:35:50
gangs it seems like this area uh you know has a lot of gang activity and if she was dating a guy in one gang then
00:35:59
maybe that's she W her murder was retaliation on that gang and that's very possible yeah but the thing is here with
00:36:10
as you said most people they some of these people go into it looking at it one way and they skew the events to to
00:36:16
follow their Theory right the problem here is whomever did this they had they to to treat somebody this way and to
00:36:25
kill them in this manner this to me there's something more involved that you're either dealing with
00:36:31
an absolute Loose Cannon or you're dealing with somebody that's got a lot of hatred and that is probably likely to
00:36:38
kill other people um this is not just something that that you do as a retaliation in my opinion not something
00:36:47
you do because of an infactuation uh but again it's a senseless crime though so trying to make sense out of a
00:36:54
senseless crime put us in a bad spot right I don't agree on that level because I think you know it's kind of
00:37:02
this Alpha thing you know who's the alpha dog in these gangs and so it's always taking things to the next level
00:37:09
so yeah if if it was Gang Related if it was drug related on her brother's death oh we ran this guy off the road he died
00:37:17
in a car accident you then they're upping the atie and saying okay well we can't just shoot somebody right mhm we
00:37:26
we we're they're trying to make a statement here so that's where I I look would this person kill again yeah this
00:37:34
who whoever did this is an absolute psychopath is a absolute [ __ ] monster is an absolute [ __ ] animal and you
00:37:44
know it's it's it's ridiculous but they will kill again but to say that well I don't believe somebody would do this
00:37:55
heinous of a crime time uh just if it was Gang Related I I don't I don't buy that I think it's very possible so let's
00:38:04
get back into some of the facts of this case right so we have at roughly 5:30 uh
00:38:09
Jessica Chambers a scene on the surveillance camera this is at the gas station that we had discussed now we did
00:38:16
say that they found they were able to retrieve her cell phone near her vehicle at the scene of the crime now they are
00:38:25
able to determine later that there was phone activity at the crime scene where she would later be found and this phone
00:38:33
activity took place at at approximately 7:30 p.m. now at 8:09 p.m. is when the report of a car on fire goes out and
00:38:43
they get the call now at 88:13 remember we had said they showed up very quickly just four minutes later they find the
00:38:51
vehicle and then they find Jessica Chambers at 9:30 p.m. p.m. you know Jessica has already been life-flighted
00:38:59
to Memphis to try to save her but at 9:30 p.m. we still have a crime scene that we're dealing with now there is a
00:39:06
tow truck driver who shows up and he removes the vehicle and he's going to take it to back to the police impound
00:39:14
lot where they're going to you know test it for whatever that they need to test it for hopefully they did some proper
00:39:19
testing at the crime scene itself but he is going to stop off along the way which
00:39:26
I I think is probably extremely frowned upon but he stops off at this very same gas station that Jessica was seen
00:39:35
earlier on the surveillance footage right now what happens here is he's stopping off to buy a pack of cigarettes
00:39:41
well the store attendant then proceeds to take pictures of the burnt vehicle and he would later post those onto
00:39:50
Facebook and he would also State some details about the crime now later we would learn that a lot of of these
00:39:57
details that he States on there is simply more rumor than actual fact but what he does here is he throws himself
00:40:05
into the suspect ring well and the like we said before this gas station is kind of a social Gathering so how many this
00:40:15
rumor mill in this small town and who's seeing it or or who's hearing it it would be you know like the bartenders or
00:40:21
in this case the gas station attendant and now for some reason he's in this stuff on Facebook yeah and what this
00:40:28
whole thing is going to come down to is going to be that hour that last hour that she was alive and her cell phone
00:40:37
and the cell phone activity this is what they need to figure out and that's the process though there there's a process
00:40:44
of figuring out that that cell phone one you have to get the rights to to look up
00:40:51
all the records of the usage of the cell phone and once you've cleared that hurdle you you may have to figure out
00:40:57
the password or figure out how to access the cell phone to view the activity yeah
00:41:02
and you'll see this time and time again as they're interviewing people from the town uh saying oh yeah we were cont
00:41:09
contacted by the police because um Jessica at some point you know contacted me a couple days before or the day of
00:41:18
and then the police are starting to question these individuals now I don't know what the father does you know I
00:41:24
don't know him from anybody but uh I never really liked the father Theory um whether it be I believe that that person
00:41:32
that had mentioned that that this was in retaliation to something he was doing or
00:41:37
some kind of turf war that he had that man had also stated that he belied that Ben was a suspect and being questioned
00:41:45
by police I don't know if that's the facts what I do know is that the the sheriff's department the police
00:41:51
department the District Attorney's office they interviewed close to 200 people regarding this case and this was
00:41:58
late in 2015 so we're only less than a year after this whole investigation has started and they've interviewed over 200
00:42:06
people we're talking about a town of only 4 to 500 people you've almost interviewed half of the the occupants of
00:42:15
this town trying to figure out what had happened now of those 200 people that were interviewed during the course of
00:42:21
this they figure out a few things okay and a lot of this is going to revolve around persons at the gas station that
00:42:29
we had spoke of earlier now first we have that the gas station attendant who became a suspect because he took the
00:42:36
photos and what ends up happening with his story is he ends up basically being run out of town because once he becomes
00:42:44
a suspect he starts receiving death threats and all kinds of threats and so he hi Tails it out of town now the
00:42:50
police would go on further to state that they do not see him as a suspect that they've interviewed this man and they
00:42:57
don't have him on their list right but we see this all the time where you're guilty in the public eye mhm and now
00:43:04
another person that was of Interest as we had said was the man in the striped shirt that was seen on the surveillance
00:43:10
footage pumping gas what looks like he's filling up a gas tank or a gas can I'm sorry now he was interviewed as well as
00:43:17
well as the three men that were inside the gas station at the time and they the police it it's funny here because if you
00:43:24
read certain newspaper articles they do say that none of these people are they or that they have been cleared all right
00:43:31
that they've all been cleared in the investigation I've never seen those words or heard those words coming out of
00:43:37
the District Attorney's mouth because what he simply says is those those people have been interviewed they've
00:43:45
been talked to and they are not suspects in this case he's not saying that they're cleared but they're not suspects
00:43:51
now what does take place in this investigation throughout the investigation there are rumors all along
00:43:58
like the captain had said that this could be some form of gang activity or some kind of Gang Related crime what
00:44:05
that leads to and the District Attorney's words are that he does not believe that this is a gang rated crime
00:44:12
however it does lead them to several gang members or people involved in Gang Related type activities but my argument
00:44:20
would be if if she was murdered by a gang member then therefore it's G related yeah what what they end up doing
00:44:28
is they they will uh arrest and speak with um 17 suspected area gang members this took place in December of 2015
00:44:39
they're arrested on gun drugs and counterfit charges amongst other charges um but again the district attorney John
00:44:47
Champion he does not think that any of these suspects of these 17 are related to Jessica Chambers murder but he did
00:44:56
say that while the investigation LED them to them being investigated for other crimes he did state that in their
00:45:04
plea negotiations all will be given an opportunity to help them help themselves and maybe that will bring us closer to
00:45:11
the truth right closure so almost over a year goes by and the Rumor meal is going
00:45:18
crazy because the police are keeping everything close to the vest but now we have a suspect now we have an individual
00:45:24
that we're going to charge and the murder of Jessica Chambers yeah there's a man Quinton Tellus he's 27 years old
00:45:32
and the district attorney would say that he was a suspect early on in the case however they let the investigation lead
00:45:41
them elsewhere and he did not become the focal point of their investigation until
00:45:46
the fall of 2015 now tell us he had once lived in courland and that is where U the
00:45:55
district attorney says that he and Jessica Chambers had become friends there's no we there's the district
00:46:02
attorney does not elaborate on the relationship that they had uh but he states that Tellus moved to Mississippi
00:46:09
moved from Mississippi to Louisiana in the summer of 2015 this is the summer after Jessica Chambers is killed right
00:46:16
now while he's there Quinton Tellus is arrested in August of 2015 on three counts of unauthorized use of a credit
00:46:24
card uh I'm sorry a debit card and this debit card would be in connection to another homicide victim right this is a
00:46:33
woman that's identified as a 34-year-old University of Louisiana Monroe student uh from Taiwan um according to an
00:46:42
affidavit in the case Tellus used her bank card uh belonging to this missing woman on April 7th this was the day
00:46:51
before she was her body was found and again he used used that same card on August 18th and August 19th uh each time
00:47:00
he's withdrawing $500 the authorities had also procured photo evidence and they interviewed
00:47:08
Quinton Tellus on August 20th at which point he admitted that he used the Chase bank card on the three listed
00:47:16
transactions that I had just stated and he also admitted that he was the individual seen in the ATM photos that
00:47:24
the the police were question in him about following the questioning of Quinton Tellus and him admitting that he
00:47:31
used the bank card and that he was the person seen in the ATM photos the police they get a warrant to enter Mr ts's home
00:47:41
now this is his home in Monroe uh and they discover there a quarter pound of marijuana in his bedroom that is
00:47:47
packaged for sale um so the suspect it he he had stated that yeah I I sell marijuana um and so he's arrested and
00:47:56
booked on several charges uh that being using the the dead woman's debit card as
00:48:04
well as being charged with the possession of marijuana with intent to sell so when they when Quinton Tellis
00:48:11
comes back onto the radar right when he becomes the focal point of their investigation into the Jessica Chambers
00:48:17
murder Quinton telis is already being held in a correctional facility in Monroe Louisiana this is about a 4our
00:48:25
drive from I just to make mississipp like he was a suspect there somebody that was on the radar M with Jessica's
00:48:34
Chambers at the beginning then he moves yeah after her death which is a little sketchy anyways then he's involved with
00:48:43
this debit card and now they're going okay maybe we need to look at this guy again yeah and I just wanted to be very
00:48:50
clear well and but the thing that is unclear here is while they transport him from Louisiana to
00:48:58
Mississippi uh they then charge him with the death and murder of Jessica Chambers
00:49:03
yeah so what did they know we don't know right that's what's so frustra about this damn case we don't know what they
00:49:10
know uh because they won't say anything now what they will say is that if you listen to and read the district attorney
00:49:19
and and what he's said about this case all along he's always said that this case will go back to the cell phone that
00:49:25
her cell phone is going to present us with a lead that's going to lead us to an arrest and then a an indictment and
00:49:33
hopefully a conviction so in this case while they won't State the specifics of that we know that they've arrested this
00:49:41
man after they were able to access her phone and to see the activity of her phone now this guy they bring him in and
00:49:50
I it's unclear to me what the motive is what his motor motive is for murder now they they have gone on to say some
00:49:57
things like you know the forensics the forensic evidence in this will be a big part in a driving force in the
00:50:04
prosecution of Quenton Tillis now did they find something at the scene I don't know did they find something in his home
00:50:11
in Louisiana we don't we don't know that however there's there's been something to connect him to this case and it's not
00:50:18
just that he had some kind of friendship or relationship with Jessica Chambers right right yeah because we could just
00:50:24
assume we're bring thisy back now let's start questioning him they don't do that
00:50:28
they charge him mhm so there's there's a Smoking Gun somewhere yeah and I think what we're going to see is now he's
00:50:34
going to stand trial for the murder of Jessica Chambers in 2017 so next year I believe it's in June
00:50:41
or July this trial will start and that's when we're going to see how that they connected him to this crime you know
00:50:49
they they did figure out one thing forensically regarding this case that they believed all long that the person
00:50:56
that Set Fire to the car and set fire to Jessica was most likely in the car before this took place um I don't know
00:51:05
what in what information or evidence they could retrieve seeing the state of the vehicle I mean the car was burnt so
00:51:12
badly it was a black car and when you see pictures of it now it's white it's it's a completely white car um but they
00:51:21
believed all along that this was a very up close and personal attack and murder that took place that this person
00:51:28
attacked her physically and was in the vehicle when this happened so then he stands trial for this case correct he's
00:51:36
going to be he's been charged and he's been indicted and they will go to trial in the summer of next year now this is a
00:51:44
capital murder case right so there is the opportunity for the death penalty in this case now but we all know that
00:51:54
usually they're going going to kind of weigh their options here the district attorney has not outright said that
00:52:00
they're going to seek the death penalty now obviously the community really wants
00:52:05
that to happen and I'm sure a lot of people listening want this to happen because of how horrifying her death was
00:52:11
well yeah and if he's charged maybe they should throw some lighter fluid down his
00:52:15
[ __ ] throat and set this [ __ ] on fire well it but the thing is here they have to weigh their evidence
00:52:22
because when you when you're going to seek the death penalty it usually needs to be a very open and closed case you
00:52:28
know it needs to be very obvious to the jury that this guy deserves the death penalty and I again because they've not
00:52:35
released anything we don't know what kind of evidence they have on this guy now we should point out though that he's
00:52:42
also been uh indicted and he's been charged with the murder of the the student right of the debit card that he
00:52:49
was using yeah cuz at the time they they didn't have enough evidence so therefore
00:52:54
they discharged him with the use of the card that gets him in their custody that
00:52:58
gets them access to this information so you know if you watch the Nancy Grace Clips you know and she's going and this
00:53:06
guy this guy got away 10 years 10 years from murder I don't know if that's how she sounds but but anyways guys she's
00:53:15
annoying sometimes but uh anyways that was like wow this guy's going to get away with murder boom now he's connected
00:53:23
with Jessica Chambers hopefully he gets sentenced to death for that uh like I said I mean this I think it's just
00:53:33
because you know again she's she's 19 whole life ahead of her all that stuff right but just so brutal I mean if if
00:53:44
that's true I mean setting somebody on fire that's like a nightmare right yeah that's that's everybody's nightmare like
00:53:52
I mean it sounds bad cuz we talk about cases every week but there's there are some events to me that seem like they
00:53:58
Trump other you know as far as the brutality of it well yeah you're exactly right I mean this case and we talked
00:54:06
about this earlier that how how hard it was to research this case and half of that was because of the brutality of of
00:54:13
the violence in this case and then on top of that um you know it's you know it it it was just it was a
00:54:22
physically draining case to read about because of violence I mean you know you say sometimes there's there's ones that
00:54:28
aren't as hard to research you know last week we talked about Beverly pots and of
00:54:33
course that's a horrible crime and a horrible case as well but something that took place 60 years ago you feel a
00:54:38
little more distanced from that that type of crime and it almost feels like you're reading about a story rather than
00:54:45
this seems very yeah more of a history lesson which this seems very relevant it's very new and uh and then also you
00:54:53
just you know just think about when you're 19 and you're driving around and you know again 19-year-old when we
00:55:00
talked about well she never really filled up the tank well it's something you do when you're 19 throw in a couple
00:55:06
bucks cuz that's what you have and you start just really identifying with this individual and then if you lived in a
00:55:12
small town or had friends you know grow up in a small town and so I mean I'm not
00:55:18
normally one to just say let's kill this dude you know but for some reason this case like this is horror it's it's sad
00:55:27
and then I see pictures of this guy and he's just he's the definition of a monster he's definition of of the devil
00:55:36
which then also started rumors that this was a satanic act and all this other junk um but you're going to continue to
00:55:43
see rumors about this case and wild theories about this case even though they have their so-called man you know
00:55:49
you're going to continue to see that until the trial comes out and we start to see what links him to the crime and
00:55:55
who he is exactly now I don't want to I don't want to prosecute the guy here in the garage because we should we should
00:56:02
assume that he is innocent before you know but but the thing is with why I could do that if I wasn't drinking with
00:56:10
the death of with the death of the student from uh Louisiana Monroe University that was an extremely violent
00:56:17
death as well I believe she was stabbed over 30 times right that's what I'm saying I think this guy is just a a
00:56:23
freaking monster and what we're talking about here though is somebody that is has the ability that is capable of very
00:56:32
heinous and violent violent murders that are up close and personal I I can see why these two are very linked you know
00:56:41
that that you can link these two together because of the amount of violence because of how close you would
00:56:46
have had to been when you were attempting to end that person's life whomever did this to Jessica basically
00:56:52
they set her and her vehicle on fire and they walked away they walked away hoping that she would never walk away
00:57:00
and that she would never be able to tell what had happened to her now she survived long enough and we don't know
00:57:06
what tips she gave her again that will probably come out in the trial right we don't know what she said to the First
00:57:11
Responders but I hope she had the last word in this case so the stage is set the trial is set for the summer of 2017
00:57:20
so this is a case that we'll we will jump back into once uh we hear news and I'm sure people like Nancy Grace and
00:57:28
stuff will jump all over these this trial yeah and you know what though maybe for a form of punishment for you
00:57:35
know whether you receive life or death or whatever maybe you should have to spend like an afternoon with Nancy Grace
00:57:40
if you're if you're a guilty horrible person and just just let her yell at you for for an afternoon now but the thing
00:57:47
that's mean because I I I do sometimes watch her show and enjoy it so I don't want to I don't want to bash her too
00:57:53
much I mean she's well anyway but but the thing is that we are going to what we will find out about is there's going
00:58:01
to be a couple things happen with this case even before the trial takes place right we're going to have to figure out
00:58:06
is this going to be a death penalty case they'll have to figure that out and I'm
00:58:11
sure we'll hear more about that before the summer of 2017 but the other issue is here when would he stand trial for
00:58:19
the murder of the University student and will that be a death penalty case as well because both of those stat carry
00:58:25
the death penalty and these are both horrible crimes and of course this case has to come out uh the week of Christmas
00:58:31
and I think I dropped the most F bombs I have on on an episode you're going to have to clean it up a little bit Mister
00:58:38
yeah I apologize if that offense I mean we we set the bar at you know this is uh
00:58:44
what we put the E little e on there yeah um but yeah I try not to drop them too like this is just sometimes you read
00:58:52
about this stuff and just hits you in in a weird weird way and it just just lingers with you and then for 3 or 4
00:58:59
days you're just freaking depressed about everything and you just Humanity you just you lost hope in humanity
00:59:06
anyways um so we'll we'll give updates on this case once we know something and we got any recommended reading for the
00:59:12
week we do this week we are recommending psychopaths in our lives by di Diane Emerson uh as you probably know most of
00:59:20
what is written about psychopaths are from the perspective of violent Psychopaths but in some cases serial
00:59:26
killers are operating on a much lower level than psycho Psychopaths that are successful in masking their true
00:59:33
character this is not an you know one of those all of these people or bad kind of
00:59:39
stories right uh the author wants people to see the truth about what psychopaths
00:59:44
are doing and for people to recognize how they operate again that psychopaths in our lives by Diane Emerson and you
00:59:52
can pick that up by going to truecrime garage.com and click on the recommended page and thank you everybody out there
00:59:58
for listening yeah I mean I'm just going to take this moment to say happy holidays uh Merry Christmas Happy Quanza
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and all of next year and have a couple drinks yeah break bread yep we'll be here next week in the garage and we will
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