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on Thanksgiving Day November 24th 2016 keith poppy nee says he got up early that day and at 4:30 a.m. his cell phone
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rang now this call comes in and he says it's a number he did not recognize so he
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didn't answer his phone it's an unknown caller yeah then the home phone is ringing to which he does
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answer the home phone and he told 20/20 that it was his wife screaming in the background yelling his name and a police
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officer to which he could hear the officer telling the wife that she needed to be calm she needed to calm down
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mm-hmm 22 days after she vanished Cheri poppy nee turned up a hundred and fifty miles
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away from her home she was found in Yolo County around 4 a.m. on the side of an entrance ramp to the northbound i-5
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highway this is near County Road 17 a female motorist Allison Sutton called police upon seeing a frantic woman
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roadside waving what she believed to be a shirt now Allison says she didn't stop
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because she wasn't certain that this whole situation was safe for her to sign she thought it was just maybe a crazy
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person on the side of the road a second driver this was a truck driver he'd he did stop and he called police Sherri
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poppy nee was found she was clothed in light grey sweatpants in a dark grey sweatshirt I point out what she was
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found in because this is not what she was wearing when she went missing there was also a chain wrapped around her
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waist and her left wrist was tethered to the chain with a zip tie according to the local papers specifically the
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Sacramento Bee and the Redding record searchlight sherry also had hose clamps around her ankles to which
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sergeant Brian Jackson said quote appeared to have acted as pain compliance restraints it's very
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important to and that nearly everything we know about Sherry's ordeal and her release we know
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from her husband Keith sherry has never made a public statement she is never well she's not even appeared in public
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at all about this and the Sheriff's Office the Shasta County Sheriff's Office they've only really addressed any
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of these circumstances regarding Sherry's ordeal possibly because they feel that they've been forced to because
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of Keith's public statements will present what he says what kee says and then we'll address what if anything we
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actually know to be true so I'm gonna paraphrase some of this stuff that follows but this is what Keith told
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20/20 about Sherry's release he says that she was bound that she had a chain around her waist she had a bag over her
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head he says he can't remember if it was her right or her left arm that was chained to the chain but one of her arms
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was chained to the chain and then the other hand was chained to something inside the vehicle and to be clear the
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interviewer wants to clarify and says this is to make sure that she didn't jump out of the vehicle to which he says
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yes now he says at some point they cut something to free her restraint that was holding her to the vehicle then they
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pushed her out and they drove away sherry had one hand free and took the bag off of her head and at this point
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she has no idea where she is she runs to a house to which she doesn't say she says to him that it didn't look to be
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like a good idea so she then ran to another building but couldn't get inside the building and that's when she chose
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to run to the freeway and how far away is she found from her actual home 150 miles
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took quite a distance yeah and he goes on to tell 20/20 that she's you know she's screaming she's coughing he says
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that she's coughing up blood and screaming trying to get people to stop you know get a vehicle to stop so they
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can help her mm-hmm but she tells him that she thinks that because of the chains the chain wrapped around her that
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maybe people thought she escaped from a prison or escaped from somewhere that you know that she was a bad person and
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maybe that's why they wouldn't stop so she purposely tried to hide the chain to try to get somebody to stop and
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eventually we know that somebody did stop why I guess she was severely beaten as well I mean she had a broken nose and
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she had bumps it seemed like all over her face so this could be an you know I I don't know if there was any dried
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blood or what the perusing situation would be but that could startle somebody the 20/20 broadcast they played a radio
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transmission that that summoned the ambulance to the scene where sherry was found you can hear like radio chatter
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but what what I heard in there says attention station 8 unknown medical problem it's going to be north on i-5
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female needs medical attention she is heavily battered it's going to be some sort of an assault now Keith after the
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phone call he rushes to the Woodland Memorial Hospital this to see his wife sherry
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he says when he got to share his room he was horrified he told Good Morning America quote nothing could have
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prepared me for what I was about to see upon my arrival at the hospital nor the details of the true hell I was about to
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hear my first sight of my wife in a hospital bed her face covered in bruises ranging from yellow to black because of
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repeated beatings the bridge of her nose broken her now emaciated body of 87 pounds was covered in multicolored
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bruises vier burns red rashes and chain markings her signature long blonde hair had been
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chopped off she had been branded and I could feel the rise of her scabs under my fingers and quote hmm the Shasta
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County Sheriff's Office well their information has been much less detailed than that of her husband and authorities
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actually expressed frustration that Keith revealed so much information to the media right because this is ongoing
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investigation so he says that her injuries the way he describes it this is pretty severe stuff right yeah the the
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thing that would kind of go against that is this regarding the severity of her injuries
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sherry Pappy knee was released from the hospital and went to a hotel with her husband that same day right and this
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according to the sheriff she was treated for her injuries and released just as someone would be if they had sprained an
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ankle that's what the sheriff said yeah but the sheriff did say that they were were ecstatic to report that sherry
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did show that she was located and had been reunited with her family right but to be on the side of Keith and his wife
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look at some of these brutal UFC fights people go five rounds 25 minutes of punching each other in the face and
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kicking each other in the shins and these guys barely can walk out of the Octagon their faces look to form they
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look awful during the press conferences they go get checked out by the doctor and then there they're sent away the
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investigators from the Major Crimes Unit did speak with sherry this was briefly in the hospital and then they did
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question her at length five days later after she recovered from these injuries according to sheriff Passaic Oh sherry
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was quote cooperative and courageous in the intense and traumatic interviews with investigators he said sherry
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reported the fall she said she was abducted by two Hispanic women in a dark-colored SUV
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with large rear windows she had no other description of the vehicle and she could
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not identify it on any video surveillance footage taken in the area around the time of her abduction
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note that the Sheriff's Office never came out and said that Sheree was definitely abducted while on her run we
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know that to be believed to be the case by her family beforehand all right so what else have we learned
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Sheree only gives the officers a let's say vague description of her abductors right and she went on to tell police
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that she avoided looking at them so they would not beat her and that her head was
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covered for some of the time that she was held captive and we don't know how dark it was in this place or anything
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yeah yeah the there again we have vague descriptions of everything because we're
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hearing this this is what sherry tells the police and this is what they have chose to release to the public she says
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that one of the women no she says that she was abducted by two women mm-hmm one of the women had a long curly hair thin
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eyebrows and pierced ears she had a thick accent and she appeared to be between 20 and 30 years old about
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five foot five inches tall suspect number two according to Sherry was older maybe forty to fifty years of age about
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five foot seven and had straight black hair with some gray she had thick eyebrows and pierced ears both were
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armed with handguns she said that the kidnappers drove for about two and a half hours non-stop on the first day the
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kidnappers spoke Spanish most of the time the female captors were the only two people with whom sherry had contact
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with for the duration of her captivity pasang Co confirmed that she was bound with those restraints
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when she was found and Jackson the other officer said that sherry had been branded on her right shoulder after and
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appeared battered and bruised now they they actually think this branding was something like it actually said
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something yeah the description I read was that the brand appeared to be a message rather than a symbol but
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whatever it is it's unclear what it what its intended to be well I think they know what it is
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or at least the the rumors that I heard is they know what the message is they're
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just not releasing that to the public okay I I had saw that it was illegible yeah
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they couldn't make anything out of it but I don't know that to be true so I don't want to I don't want to steer
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anybody the wrong way the other way I mean that's pretty creepy that somebody would brand you and not just brand you
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with some symbol but some type of message Sheri told investigators that she was not sexually assaulted we do
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have investigators that did confirm that Sherry's hair was shoulder length when she was found
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now I do want to point out that a lot of people suspect that Sherry's exceedingly
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long hair was actually extensions that were may have just been removed the the thing here to give the best description
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to those out there listening is that when she was found her hair was not what I would call short it was just shorter
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it was it was shoulder length at the time now sherry told detectives that just before she was released she could
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hear her captors having an argument followed by a gunshot she said the younger of her abductors
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then took her from the room where she was being held captive drove her down a winding road and dropped her off near
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Interstate five a be on the lookout immediately went out for a dark-colored SUV with two latino women but everyone
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acknowledged that in California that description well it didn't go very far on the day after sherry was found her
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sister held a press conference and she was reading a statement that was prepared by Sheree and Keith
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the gist of it really is just giving thanks to all the people that helped search for her and just being thankful
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that she was returned and allowed to go home in time for Thanksgiving now following this statement Sheila
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agreed to answer some questions but where this whole thing gets tricky again Sheila seems to have very little
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information she didn't know whether sherry had seen her kids yet this is the day after she was found she didn't know
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whether a ransom was paid she didn't seem to have any interest in discussing who might have done this to her sister
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she didn't even have an answer to a reporter's question as to whether sherry was employed or not at the time of the
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abduction really she just kept repeating that the two had a joyous reunion it it
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for anybody that saw this well for me anyway captain it was just kind of a strange press conference and it probably
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to keep things cleaner it might have been a whole lot better if she would have just not opened it up to questions
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at all right gave the statement and walked away right because her not having having the answers to some very simple
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questions it really didn't help the public opinion now keep in mind at this time even when she was missing there
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were people out there that were suspicious of this quote-unquote abduction that was it a voluntary
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situation right was a cry for help was this was in my hopes yeah and then when she's found and claims to have been
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released those people that were suspicious before they're even more suspicious now baloney right yeah
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because of very sparse details provided the tide of public opinion began to shift sheriff pasang Co said his
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department continue to follow investigative leads and warned people that quote until we identify the suspect the public
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should remain cautious and quote but contradict early also said that quote details of this investigation point to
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this being an isolated incident and quote yeah that's that's a weird statement yeah he said that police still
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did not know the motive for the abduction or whether Cheri was a specific target or this was a random
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abduction he also said that because the case was still active some sensitive details were being withheld and he
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expressed concern that some of the information provided by Keith could affect the integrity of the
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investigation mm-hmm hi I really want to know those sensitive those sensitive details yeah so what I'm getting at
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though is it can't be it can't be both right if you're saying that this is an isolated incident mm-hmm but the public
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should remain cautious it's just it's very confusing these statements coming out from the Sheriff's Department now
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you don't know when when you review this you look at that at it and you wonder okay is this Sheriff's Department just
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really in need of a PR person or or are they confused themselves about the whole
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investigation about about what could have took place well it kind of stinks Tom let's think oh well the the sheriff
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said despite over 600 tips quote none of the received tips have been able to generate a viable lead or information as
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to who is responsible for Sherry's abduction sure enough due to lack of information rumors and gossip really
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took over in this case people began to theorize that perhaps there was more to this story
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the theory that that shari and perhaps keith together fabricated the whole thing this really started to gain some
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traction and an article ran in The Huffington Post on December 2nd 2016 they reported the
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following that the the HuffPost had spoke to a communications officer or asked to speak
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with the communications officer at the sheriff's office they were connected to a woman named Kelly to which no last
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name was given the HuffPost asked Kelly if authorities suspected some kind of hoax in this case Kelly stated I don't
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know if the words ruled out can be used then on December 6 George Stephanopoulos
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asked sheriff vasenka whether he had any reason to doubt sherry story yeah vasenka responded absolutely none so far
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we are still investigating this as a kidnapping abduction and everything that she has provided us thus far is
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indicating that pasang Co backtracked a bit in an interview with people using a double negative saying authorities have
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no reason not to believe Sherri but he also said abductions are rare in themselves especially adult abductions
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on top of this being two women who Sheree described as her captors is even more unique so there remains a number of
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colonel so some people are calling this whole abduction a hoax right captain yeah so I thought let's take some time
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here and sort through some of the things that people point to some of the theories if you will okay for one thing
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and this stems from a 2003 blog post that turned up on a defunct website called skinheads that's with a Z this
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was essentially a well a racist blog right now hence the name right yeah anything sounds racist right and 2003
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yeah it's not about haircuts it's about being a racist right so the 2003 post was written by Cheri
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Graff and I think I have that right actually I think I have that wrong it's but I'm gonna spell it for you
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Cheri GRA e FF from Shasta Lake right that's fairies maiden name correct and I believe that's her hometown mm-hmm the
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post rallied against Latinos who the author said hated her because she was quote drug-free white and proud of her
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blood and heritage the blog post recounted a story of a violent altercation with a Latino girl now
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Sheree's ex-husband who we referenced earlier says that sherry did not write this post and he says that sherry wasn't
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racist when he knew her right sheriff pasang co said quote we are familiar with that blog we do not know
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if it has any relevance to this case or not end quote Gary and Keith of course made no direct
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comment on the blog post although Keith seemed to touch on it in his Good Morning America interview
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saying quote I understand people want proof that this was not some sort of hoax or
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plan to gain money or some fabricated race war I do not see a purpose in addressing each preposterous lie and
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quote sherry also maintained a public Pinterest account that contained a section marked cultural differences
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featuring memes expressing concerns about illegal immigrants and Muslims this section has since been taken down
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there is plenty to point at strange yeah there is plenty to point to that Shari did write the blog post as you pointed
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out it's her main aim it's her home town I guess there was also a rumor that that
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somebody thought maybe one of her friends wrote it to basically smear her did you hear that anywhere well I I
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heard that plus other reasons why people suspect that it was not her or the theories on who could have posted that
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pretending to be her and it appears to me what information that would indicate that it was her that wrote it is all
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information that anybody that knew her could have known they would have known all that stuff you know people people
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point to a point in the post where where it references her family's pizza restaurant which her family I guess her
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parents do own or did own a pizza restaurant at one point well but look you whether it was her whether it was
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fake whatever the fact of the matter is there's evidence that it was there and so if that would have ticked off a gang
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or ticked off anybody and they said we want to go after this individual they would be going after her they wouldn't
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have any knowledge that she didn't write it well right and I don't know I think it's it's all weird
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that that we had that post and then later she's saying she was abducted by two Hispanic women or Hispanic looking
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women and but but the other thing to that that I find odd is we're talking about that's what like 13 years apart
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yeah yeah 15 yeah 1213 years later that seems yeah it seems strange that somebody would find a post from 13 years
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ago and then tracked the person down and then kidnapped them so digging into Sherry's past revealed something else in
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a 2003 Shasta County Sheriff's Office incident report which is only two sentences long it stated that Sherry's
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mother Loretta called the sheriff's office to ask for help with her daughter sherry who had been harming herself and
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blaming her injuries on her mother this call by Loretta to the sheriff's office about sherry was one of several made by
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Sherry's family about her this is during the years between 2000 and 2003 and 2004
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itch 'red alleged his daughter burglarized his residence three years later he alleged she made
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unauthorized withdrawals from his checking account and in 2000 Sherry's sister Sheila alleged her back door had
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been kicked in and she believed sherry did it the reports provide no details about an
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arrest and it is unknown whether sherry was ever charged with the crime any type
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of crime resulting from these these were the sorts like you said it was several years before again yes we're talking 13
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to 16 years before him yeah and everybody goes through phases I mean look I'm laughing but I'm only laughing
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because I'm visualizing somebody kicking in their sister's door yeah we we go through phases but I don't
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hey [ __ ] your couch yeah I don't know that I've ever I've never kicked in anybody's door now I bet yeah I bet you
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yeah you bet that I have huh I bet you've tried I'm not saying they used to exceed it well listen to this this this
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I think is is more interesting the the sheriff's office this is in response to a FOIA request made by the Sacramento
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Bee the newspaper this provided expense reports for out-of-state travel in related to this case based on these
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receipts two detectives traveled cross-country to Detroit Michigan and its suburbs of new Hudson Northville
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Plymouth and Canton between November 9th and November 11th 2016 the same year that she was abducted yeah this is this
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is actually while she's still missing so sheriff pazenko declined to specify why
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the detectives went to Michigan or what they found if anything they're right but
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about a year after sherry was returned the Sheriff's Office confirmed in an official press release that sherry and a
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male acquaintance from Michigan that's what they were calling him were involved in an online texting relationship now
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sergeant Jackson would not specify whether the relationship was a romantic one but he did confirm that the text
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messages went back several months he also stated that the male acquaintance visited California in the days before
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sherry went missing a press release later clarified quote days prior to Sherry's disappearance sherry and the
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male acquaintance text each other an attempt to meet while he was in California this is according to sergeant
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Jackson right according to him that is why they went to Michigan and he said ruled out went went back to Michigan and
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ruled out right that the acquaintance was involved why I think this just shows you that you know the the thought
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process of their marriage being so great and so romantic and so picture-perfect that it
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just was not true yeah and it seems it seems like most people believe that Keith knew nothing about this
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relationship regardless of what kind of relationship it was oh isn't the thought
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process that she was texting this guy and one of the reasons why I don't think he knew about it was that the guy's name
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was saved as a female's name yeah and I saw some I mean that's Shady well I saw some information out there too that
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would suggest that you shady girl this man being saved under a fake woman's name in her contacts may not have been a
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one-time situation that this might have happened before where where other men were saved under female names how about
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this theory the theory that the well remember the GoFundMe campaign the the purpose of the GoFundMe campaign which
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was started by Keith's sister Suzanne on his behalf was to raise money to quote bring Sherrie home safe for like private
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investigators and stuff like that to all funds were to go directly to the family
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the GoFundMe raised forty nine thousand seventy dollars their goal was fifty thousand dollars and it raised this
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amount of money fairly quickly no one seems to be certain what the funds were actually used for sherry and all of her
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family members including the ones who were in the public faces of her search have completely withdrawn from the
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public regarding this and the money has not been returned we know sherry Wright came home but we
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don't know where that money went Jen keith has never made a statement on where that money went
00:36:49
the other thing that's weird about it too is that you're using this resource and you're you're updating people to get
00:36:56
money then you get a bunch of money and when she's found you don't even update these people and these some of these
00:37:03
people because they saw your story in People magazine are on the Today Show or however they saw your story there's
00:37:10
people from all over the country that were we're donating money to to help find your wife and you didn't even put
00:37:18
an update on the page right now almost a year after sherry vanished the Sheriff's
00:37:27
Office issued a very interesting press release a document entitled kidnapping investigation update stated that sherry
00:37:37
had both male and female DNA on her when she was found the samples were uploaded
00:37:43
into CODIS DNA database on well it looks like April or May of 2017 but so far there's never been any matches to any
00:37:54
known offenders the DNA from Sherry's husband Keith was not among the two profiles they tested it against Keith
00:38:03
the male DNA was compiled from the clothing sherry was found was wearing when she was found
00:38:11
look she alleged that that she had two female abductors she alleged that they gave her the clothing to wear so it is
00:38:19
possible this doesn't have to mean that a male was involved in her abduction or in whatever's going on here it is
00:38:28
possible that that DNA was already on the clothing when it was given to her to wear right but they release more
00:38:34
information right yeah the the Sheriff's Office revealed that sherry told investigators that during her abduction
00:38:40
she got into an altercation with the younger abductor and this took place in a bathroom when so Cheri according to
00:38:50
this story she's allowed to take a shower and at some point they get into this altercation sherry says that she
00:38:57
slammed the captors head into the toilet in the bathroom before she was subdued and then returned to her room where she
00:39:05
was being held she reported that she cut the side of her foot during this confrontation
00:39:13
people have pointed out that there were photos of sherry and that they they were
00:39:21
being reviewed by the police department by the Sheriff's Office and there doesn't seem to be any evidence in those
00:39:29
photos that they can see that there were cuts on her foot or either foot to back
00:39:36
up this this whole story right but you it makes you question when did this this happen during her captive time 22 days
00:39:47
to happen at the beginning was it not that bad was she Dismas taken I mean was she drugged at any point during during
00:39:57
this capture who knows well what we do know is that they're saying that she is providing very little details because
00:40:07
she can't recall them right that she's just not able to provide complete information to the sheriff's office
00:40:15
and we'll get back to this October 2017 press release in just a minute I do want
00:40:22
to point this point out this while we're going through these suspicions and different theories right so we talked
00:40:30
about the neighbors well there's more information there too so the neighbors who lived near the poppy knees said that
00:40:37
sherry wasn't a runner according to their knowledge right now neighbor Joyce Allison said quote I've been here 12
00:40:46
years and I've never seen her jogging Betty Vaughn whose home overlooked the spot where Sherry's phone was located
00:40:54
said quote I've never seen her jogging never seen her coming to the mailboxes of course a couple of neighbors told
00:41:02
police that they thought they saw sherry on the day she disappeared one at nine one around eleven although it's not
00:41:09
clear if she was actually running according to those eyewitness reports yeah look these neighbors could just be
00:41:17
strange individuals yeah so for those that we keep referencing these mailboxes I think we probably should have done a
00:41:26
better job of disk writing that speak for yourself well yeah since it's a such a rural area they
00:41:33
actually have a unit like a bank of mailboxes all everybody that lives in that community there they have a bank of
00:41:40
mailboxes so that they'll yeah carrier just pulls up there like you would see it condo where a apartment complex and
00:41:47
this is what about a mile from their house yeah that's where Keith goes looking for sherry when he's tracking
00:41:55
the phone again I don't put a ton of weight into people saying hey I never saw her run because she wasn't a runner
00:42:02
she was newly or what Keith says is she's getting back into running and when he says she's getting back into running
00:42:11
it could have been something she did 15 years ago right so she was getting back into running to run with her family she
00:42:21
didn't live there for quite some time though again though like it could have been something that she did in high
00:42:28
school or no no I get what you're saying I just want to be clear and point out that these the neighbors who regarding
00:42:35
their statements they were neighbors of hers for years it wasn't right which I understand that both are I'm also
00:42:42
stating that there's a bunch of people and her family not saying that she was an avid runner saying this is and this
00:42:48
is a new thing you know I mean like she was training for this this one event mm-hmm with her family mm-hmm yeah I'm
00:42:58
not suspicious of the running itself I'm suspicious of the wording that keeps circling around there so it's a normal
00:43:06
thing sergeant Brian Jackson said to People magazine in October 2017 quote what was the purpose he's talking about
00:43:15
the abduction why was she released it is hard to keep somebody in captivity for 22 days why would somebody go to that
00:43:23
length those are all types of questions we still have yeah the other thing too is a lot of people say that this is real
00:43:33
because of something as simple as the broken nose and my argument would be if you're a
00:43:40
wackadoo enough to plan out going missing that you're also wackadoo enough to break your own nose that that would
00:43:52
be my argument to those people the other thing too is people I've been hearing a
00:43:57
lot of people say well if if this was for attention that she hasn't really shared the spotlight she hasn't really
00:44:08
received any attention because she's been in hiding pretty much right she's basically I shouldn't say I'm hiding but
00:44:13
she's well she's she's basically become a recluse they've moved they don't live in that town anymore so they move away
00:44:21
and neighbors are like yeah we never see her mmm we don't see her at all and so so that doesn't make a lot of sense the
00:44:29
attention part but then when people say money they go oh well she did this for money or or it couldn't be a fake
00:44:38
because she didn't get money well we know that we have about fifty thousand dollars which is a ton of money but it's
00:44:45
money that's not accounted for man and so but then people go well but that's just a little bit of money think about
00:44:53
how much money she could make if she wrote a book and my argument about any of this stuff is maybe all this stuff is
00:45:02
coming maybe a book is coming maybe a movie is coming so you can't roll down that out as a possibility that money's
00:45:13
wasn't a motivation to fake this well okay we'll get into this now because look you look as far as the money goes
00:45:25
let's keep in mind fifty thousand dollars according to what I could find was was equal to or very close to being
00:45:35
equal to their yearly household income yeah that that fifty thousand dollars sounds a lot bigger when you describe it
00:45:45
that way right it takes somebody a whole year the the whole family together the whole
00:45:51
hold income is equal to this for all the entirety of a year so that seems like quite a bit more money what I described
00:45:59
right now in it and if somebody recently just lost their part-time position and now is a stay-at-home mom maybe you need
00:46:08
that money well and then people that point out hey this is real because she had a broken
00:46:12
nose right I I hate to answer you know answer a question with a question but who's saying that she has a broken nose
00:46:23
or that she had a broken nose right Keith so if Keith is in on it or let's say he's not let's say something went
00:46:33
down and he doesn't know what's going on but she has convinced him that something
00:46:38
went down he's either standing up for or could be covering for her mm-hmm so that's where
00:46:45
I think you're gonna get these arguments back and forth I do want to get into something you know I said we'd get back
00:46:51
to that press release well one more thing I also want to say that you know that during the breaks press the release
00:46:59
or the cops have said multiple times you're held in captive for 22 days what was the motivation for them to release
00:47:06
her and like you stated before there was multiple statements saying that we'd give you this money if they were
00:47:17
released and then it became the day before she was released there was another statement it was a threat right
00:47:24
there the captors not a not just a threat but it's like again maybe there was some contact and maybe that's the
00:47:32
reason why we don't know where this GoFundMe money went because it actually went to paying these people off to get
00:47:39
her out could be could be but but the threat that was going out there the day before she was released was not that
00:47:46
this money is going to be given to you to to write pay a ransom for her safe return we're gonna use this money to
00:47:54
find you right but I'm just saying that all that could have changed if the people actually try to make contact and
00:48:00
say hey yeah we got her and we want the money so in October of 2017 this is when the authorities
00:48:07
finally released two sketches of the women described by Sheree the release noted that the sketches were being
00:48:14
released 10 months after Sherry's disappearance because of Sherry's difficulty in recalling what her
00:48:21
abductors look like now this part captain I believe is is quite important as well
00:48:27
the FBI poster States quote the Federal Bureau of Investigation in cooperation with the Shasta County Sheriff's Office
00:48:35
is asking for the public's assistance regarding the disappearance of Cheri poppy nee and quote this poster was
00:48:43
released well after sherry was returned alive I questioned why the poster would use the
00:48:49
word why they wouldn't use the word abduction instead of the word disappearance right also the poster says
00:48:58
FBI is seeking information about the to quote individuals depicted in the sketches they may have information the
00:49:07
poster does not call the women suspects or perpetrators or even persons of interest and according to Cheri she has
00:49:15
told law enforcement these are the people that abducted me at gunpoint yeah strange also about a year later
00:49:24
authorities released surveillance footage from a church in Woodland California this is near where sherry
00:49:30
turned up this appears to show a distorted image a very figure running through a parking lot in the dark and
00:49:37
then running back law enforcement confirmed that the footage time-stamped 4:15 a.m. shows a newly released sherry
00:49:45
poppy knee seemingly darting around looking for help just before running onto the highway entrance ramp many
00:49:53
people believe that police released this video as well as much of the other official information meaning the male
00:50:01
DNA found on sherry the Michigan man's story the stated inconsistencies about the cut on her foot to make sherry feel
00:50:09
pressure and that maybe she would crack in and if if there was a different story
00:50:15
if there was a different truth to what down that she would come forward and give them that information yeah I wonder
00:50:22
if it's the idea that law enforcement and say not only do we have this footage but we have even more footage that we're
00:50:31
not even going to show the public and we're gonna let you know that we have it because maybe they maybe there's some
00:50:38
footage of her earlier than that who knows and I do want to make sure that we go through some more detailed theories
00:50:46
here about what could have happened I mean I am going to skip ahead a bit one of the theories was that this is a sex
00:50:52
trafficking case I do want to if anybody wants to explore that angle you can but
00:51:00
I I will just kind of sum that up with saying that the police say that they have ruled out sex trafficking as a
00:51:06
motive for where Sherry's abduction law and based off what Keith says there was no sexual assault yeah and the thing
00:51:12
here is I think that there are some more plausible some more likely theories in this situation if in fact it was a hoax
00:51:20
if this is not truly an abduction one of those theories is a liaison gone very wrong
00:51:27
this theory probably stems from the revelation that Cheri was in contact with the Michigan man some people
00:51:36
believe that police revealed this information to show that Cheri was conducting an affair or maybe affairs
00:51:43
with men outside of her marriage the theory goes like this that she texted Keith to find out whether he'd be coming
00:51:50
home for lunch this to ensure that he was busy the kids are gone all day and she was meeting up with a lover or
00:52:00
meeting up with an intended loved lover and either one of two things happen one it went wrong and the guy turned out to
00:52:09
be violent and dangerous and she escaped this man twenty two days later but was too embarrassed to tell the truth right
00:52:19
the other angle of this is that she bailed on her husband and kids to run off with a guy or this guy and then
00:52:27
faked the whole abduction thing so that she could return but returned to her family blame free
00:52:34
people who buy into this theory well they they basically claimed captain that the Sheriff's Office knows they know
00:52:43
that sherry made the whole thing up they just can't prove it right now I do want
00:52:48
to be clear here we do not have any insider information but from what I can see the general rumor of people in that
00:52:58
area it seems like they believe that the sheriff's office is pretty much split as
00:53:05
to whether this is a hoax or if this was an actual abduction and the rumors that
00:53:11
I have seen from that area point to that the two lead investigators well I should
00:53:18
be clear about this because it sounds like the first lead investigator on this believes that it's a hoax but we know
00:53:27
that we have we have the head sheriff in charge and we also have sergeant Jackson
00:53:33
who have very publicly stated that they believe this is a real abduction the rumors I've seen is that those are the
00:53:41
only two that believe within the sheriff's office that this abduction was real yeah so you can see why it's easy
00:53:49
to really question this and really be suspicious of the whole thing one other theory that I saw captain is that this
00:53:59
could be a drug situation now I chose to leave this in because I find it much more likely than some of the other
00:54:07
theories that are out there but I want to be clear this should be taken with a grain of salt okay because this was this
00:54:17
was pulled off of reddit it does come from someone who's been granted verified insider status as somebody being an
00:54:25
insider on this case the post states that sherry had a serious addiction to benzodiazepine and that keith was using
00:54:36
some other type of drugs and she was using other types of drugs as well this insider using air
00:54:44
there says that sherry relapsed a few times and had resorted to buying pills on the street now this insider theorizes
00:54:54
that sherry had gone on a bender or someone she owed drug money to had abducted her again this would point to a
00:55:04
similar theory to that of the hoax to gain the GoFundMe money the GoFundMe funds while I think that this is is more
00:55:14
likely than some of the other theories that are out there I want I want to be clear I think it's one of the least
00:55:20
likely theories that we've discussed here today I've purposely left out theories that seem just totally
00:55:27
off-the-wall totally unlikely at all Bigfoot yeah yeah sasquatch so the thing here captain we have we've talked about
00:55:40
revenge we've talked about an affair we've talked about drugs all kinds of different reasons different theories as
00:55:47
to why this would be a faked abduction you've pointed out some reasons why it would be a real abduction we would be
00:55:59
remiss if we didn't bring up a story from 2015 this was the kidnapping of Denise
00:56:06
Huskins in Vallejo California Denise and her boyfriend Aaron were asleep one night when a man broke into their home
00:56:14
and made her tie up Aaron and kidnapped Denise he raped and assaulted her but eventually released her dropping her off
00:56:24
from his car on the side of the road detectives at the time assumed the couple's brutal abduction story was a
00:56:31
complete hoax but eventually the perpetrator a harvard-trained attorney named Matthew Muller was caught after
00:56:40
committing another crime a similar crime right the the Vallejo Police Department
00:56:46
settled with Denise Huskins for 2.5 million dollars so this is just another situation of where they come out and
00:56:58
this situation they were very public about it being a hoax they didn't believe the story where we saw the
00:57:04
Shasta County Sheriff's Office they seem to be confused or or not quite clear on
00:57:11
what their actual stance is right yeah but that's because there was a rape involved in and I mean let's just be
00:57:21
honest as far as sexual assaults in this country it's maybe the only crime that I
00:57:27
can think of that law enforcement after you after you make your statement and after you claimed that there was a crime
00:57:38
that they go are you telling the truth I mean it's like the only crime that that
00:57:43
happens for I mean you don't go hey my bike was stolen from my garage and have police come out and go you know within
00:57:51
the first couple minutes ask you if you're lying about it so that I think that just happens far too often with
00:58:01
that type well it appears it appears that that's happening with abduction stories as well right because that's
00:58:06
what we're reporting on today and it makes it a lot easier to know that the police were just straight-up wrong in
00:58:13
the Denise Huskins case because they do apprehend the perpetrator you know where
00:58:20
you have questions about Cheri story and about her abduction but if tomorrow they
00:58:26
arrested two Hispanic looking women that they could prove abducted her right I mean that wipes everything completely
00:58:34
away all right yeah it's it really is a difficult thing it doesn't seem to be that there's any
00:58:43
clear answer I don't know if you have an opinion on what you think may have happened here captain I mean I don't
00:58:51
want to I don't want to ramble too long but all I could come up with conclusion wise because we normally go what do you
00:58:59
think is the word that comes to mind is sad is if this is real and it's a horrible situation that this is real and
00:59:10
as you imagine us or twenty-two days of torture you got a branding on your body possibly forever
00:59:17
you know cutting your hair breaking your nose you know what it's just that's awful if it's a hoax and she was going
00:59:29
to go hang out with some guy in that went wrong or went well or whatever it was that that's sad - the fact that
00:59:36
she's talking to multiple men behind her husband that's sad you know if it was a
00:59:42
drug thing that's sad that she would go missing from her kids for 22 days because of drugs
00:59:50
that's sad the fact that she is now a Rekluse at least we have some proof of that or at least that's what some name
00:59:58
neighbors claim and that's what her husband claims that's sad it's almost like any theory that you come up with
01:00:06
that you think happened it's sad if it was just for seeking attention that is sad that is somebody that has serious
01:00:16
mental issues that needs help and it's probably not getting it because of this whole ordeal and now being a recluse but
01:00:32
my gut doesn't tell me either way because like you said the most difficult thing about this whole case is where the
01:00:39
information is coming from I don't know what those dis branding is I don't know if there's some message involved there's
01:00:49
there's different things that point me to believe one thing over another thing but again it's where the information is
01:00:58
coming from and I don't believe the sources yeah I I tell you what I'm going to give sherry the benefit of the doubt
01:01:07
here and say that I believe her story I believe that she was abducted and I hope
01:01:14
they continue I hope police continue to search for her abductors and whoever whoever you know
01:01:24
carried out these terrible crimes right the only reason why I leaned that way I am suspicious of
01:01:32
some things but but here's the problem I'm not suspicious of a lot of the things that I see people being
01:01:39
suspicious of online and then the the fact that she was released that seemed to even bolster people's suspicions like
01:01:47
oh she turned up nobody ever lets people go all right that doesn't happen a lot we do know that but we do we already
01:01:56
pointed to at least one other case where that did in fact take place the captor release them anytime somebody is missing
01:02:02
if they were abducted that is what we hope and pray for each and every minute of every hour of every day that they are
01:02:09
gone that whoever has them will grow a heart and release them and if in fact that happened in this situation whether
01:02:18
it be that the abductors got scared felt threatened got tired of holding her whatever happened that caused them to
01:02:25
release her I'm thankful that they did so I kind of lean toward this story being being truthful
01:02:34
Sherri's story being truthful and what I want to point out is the the radio call
01:02:40
that went out to the ambulance that states that there was an assault that she was badly beaten hmm that to me is
01:02:49
the one that's the only other part where I can see somebody other than her husband stating that these injuries
01:02:58
actually took place or that she appeared to have been injured now if if in fact this was a hoax if she wasn't really
01:03:08
abducted if this was carried out we know that somebody else had to be involved because she was missing for 22 days she
01:03:18
disappeared for twenty-two days somebody had to help her with that if there was anybody involved in a hoax I I have no
01:03:29
reason to believe I actually believe that Keith does not know right what really happened I I don't I don't I
01:03:38
understand the theories and I understand the speculation but I don't see anything
01:03:43
that points to me that that he was involved in helping carry out this whole ordeal in November of 2018 sergeant
01:03:53
Jackson told the local ABC 10 TV station that he did not consider Sherry's case cold and that there's still several
01:04:02
avenues we are looking at but now nearly three years after sherry Pappy knees perplexing disappearance and
01:04:10
reappearance and what has been described as quote one of the largest manhunts in
01:04:16
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01:04:25
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01:04:33
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