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Welcome to Off the Record. [music] I'm your host Nick Crime. >> It's good to be seen and it's good to
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see you. Off the record. Thanks for listening. [music] Thanks for telling a friend.
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>> True Crime podcast. Be good. Be kind. And don't live. >> Gather around. [music] Grab a chair.
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Grab a beer. Let's talk some ground. [music] >> So, me and Kelly from Brian Schaefer,
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Dead or Alive, we've been talking for [music] a long time. And one of the things
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because we were talking earlier about how there was this website that was set up that had a longer version of the
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surveillance footage. Again, one of the great things about what you're doing here is you're not just taking in
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information. you are then tracking down as far as you you're going down whatever
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rabbit hole is sent your way. But one of the things that you were able to do is to get surveillance footage from the
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Columbus PD. Can you can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah, through a public's records request, we were able
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to get the surveillance footage from Ugly Tuna Saloona, and we only received the one camera, which is the image that
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we see a lot of Brian outside of the bar. It was several hours long, and I have spent hours upon hours combing
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through it along with many other members of my group. And I put it all together and did a timeline to make it a little
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easier to follow what Brian was doing that night while he was at the ugly tuna. >> So again, we will be posting this video
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on Facebook page Brian Schaefer dead or alive. We'll also be posting this video on our website truecrimeg.com.
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This is a call to action. This will not be the only footage because we're going to post the timeline of the surveillance
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tape and we're also going to post a unedited block of the surveillance and we're
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hoping that there'll be web sleuththers and armchair detectives out there that dissect this and find things that I
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haven't been able to find or Kelly hasn't been able to find. And yes, garage listeners, brace yourselves as we
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review and comment on hours and hours of surveillance footage. >> At 9:51 p.m., Brian and Clint arrive at
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Ugly Tuna Saloona. >> Okay, so first thing we got to point out here, [laughter] and anybody that's if you've been in the
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garage before, you know right where I'm going to go with this. There is a a 4hour discrepancy in the timestamp of
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this surveillance footage. No disagreements with me on that, Kelly? >> No, you're absolutely right. And
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actually, the the data is wrong on it as well. >> Yeah. So, with with that in mind, the
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great part about this is that the discrepancy is consistent. Okay. So, at the start of the footage, it's 4 hours
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off. The date is off. And at the end of the footage, it's still 4 hours off. So,
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everything lines up to the marker to the time marker that is indicated on the screen. I want to be very clear
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about this, and I'm not I'm not trying to [ __ ] on this information or the footage or any of that. I just dump
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>> I just want to be very clear here. >> When we say that there's a 4hour discrepancy in the time marker, that is
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an indicator to me that we shouldn't dismiss the idea that the minutes are off as well. And what I mean by that is
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when we say 951, Brian and Clint arrive at the ugly tuna saloona, for all we know, it could be 958, it could be 9:44.
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it. You know, I'm not I'm not questioning that there's a big uh error in the minutes that we're talking about,
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but because the the hour is off to such a great degree, I wouldn't put it out of
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the realm of possibility. And as somebody who ran security for a very large building in a very in a very big
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property, nothing angers me more than to see the time and date stamps being incorrect in in any man. I mean, it
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doesn't take long to change these things. Why they don't change them, I don't know. But on that marker, so to add some
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color here to that time stamp of 951, Brian and Clint arriving at the ugly tuna. Okay, so what we see here on this
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footage is these two are very clearly together, Brian and Clint. We have Clint who is standing just in front of him on
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the elevator. There are two individuals that are on the escalator. Excuse me. There are two individuals that are on
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the escalator directly behind them, but you can clearly see that they are not with Brian and Clint. And it is the two
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of them that enter the Ugly Tuna Saloona as soon as they exit as soon as they get
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off of this escalator. So, if you're when you're looking at this footage, if you go up that escalator,
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immediately to your right is the entrance to the bar. At 10:26 p.m., Amber and a mystery woman are seen
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arriving. >> Yes. So, at this 10:26 marker, what we are seeing here is Amber and the mystery
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woman. And again, they are very clearly together. You can see them interacting with one another. It's not that these
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are two random people that happen to get on the escalator at the same time. They
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are chatting with one another as they are going up the escalator and then again immediately going into the bar. In
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this situation, we do have two males that are behind them. The first couple of times I watched this, Kelly, I
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thought there was a chance maybe those males were with them. I wouldn't totally dismiss that idea, but having watched it
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several times, it it appears that they are not with them, that they just happen to be on that escalator at the same
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time. >> Yeah, I agree with that. I thought they were together at first, too. At 10:40
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p.m., Brian and Clint leave the ugly tuna saloona. >> Yes. And the while the video I mean, the
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video is very clear for 2006. I I will give the Gateway team that it's it's very clear and the movements are very
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clear as well. And one thing that I do like about this, while the the camera angle is not such that you can really
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pick out faces in the crowd, you can clearly see what individuals are wearing. And Brian is wearing a a
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t-shirt over top of a longer long sleeve shirt, uh, light colored long sleeve shirt with a dark colored t-shirt on
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top. And that's going to help distinguish him from other individuals. In later parts of this footage, we see
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him and his friend Clint going down the escalator, leaving, there is a individual behind them who uh it looks
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like Brian turns back and looks at him, but this uh person behind them. He leans
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up, puts his butt on the side of the escalator, doesn't seem to be trying to catch up with them as they are slightly
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in front of them. And then of course, Brian does make that makes that motion almost like he's sliding down the
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banister of of a set of stairs. >> At 11:23 p.m., Brighton arrives at Ugly Tuna Salena. Okay, we see a what I would
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describe as a woman who is visibly intoxicated leaving the ugly tuna at the same time that
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Brighton is completely solo and by herself arriving, coming up the escalator and then going into the bar.
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>> At 12:48 a.m., the mystery woman leaves the ugly tuna saloona >> and she is by herself. I cannot tell her
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level of intoxication. She does grab both uh with both hands each side of the for a lack of a better term railing of
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the escalator. There are some individuals coming up the escalator at the same time and I think we're Oh, I'm
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sorry. You're talking about the mystery woman arriving, right? >> Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. I I messed up there. Uh so,
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Captain, if you could jump back. 12:48, mystery woman arrives. at the ugly tuna saloona. She's riding
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up the escalator. There's a gentleman behind her with his arms folded and I'm going to call him the collar sweater
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guy. I This guy's clearly with her. Would you argue that against that? I personally will always find it
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fascinating that when they did the episode of the psychic kids that one of the kids picks up on the fact that Brian
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and Clint went to the ugly tuna earlier in the evening. But this also shows that
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Brian and Clint could have had some contact or interaction with Amber earlier in the evening. also that Amber
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and Brighton, the two girls last seen talking to Brian on surveillance camera footage, that they would have been in
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the bar longer for a longer period. And then obviously they make contact with Brian when Brian and Clint show back up
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later in the evening >> at 1:15 a.m. Brian, Clint, and Meredith arrive at Ugly Tuna Saloona. And this is
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the video footage that basically if you've heard of this case or seen this case online, this is the footage you've
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seen. >> Yes. So Brian is leaning up against the the side of the escalator as he's going
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up and then you have Meredith and Clint behind him. I There is a a man here that
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you see who walks out of the bar. You almost think he's following the person in front of him who who is very clearly
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leaving and then does exit the building. This man that that walks out of the ugly
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tuna as Brian Clinton Meredith are coming up. He walks out and he kind of puts his hands out in like an I don't
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know manner and he's looks like he's communicating with somebody who's still in the bar or on their way out. I made
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note of him only because we do see him again and I made note of him because he's dressed very similarly to Brian
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Schaefer. It very likely has nothing to do with anything, but it was something that didn't go unnoticed by me and I did
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make make note of this to the point of referring to him as Brian Schaefer doppelganger. uh and would like to know
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a who who is he and b uh when does he leave? >> At 1:55 a.m. we see Brian for the last
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time on surveillance footage and he is standing outside of the ugly tuna saloona talking to Amber and Brighton.
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>> So actually the next next clip I have is um this clip shows Amber on her phone
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and pointing at the mystery woman. Same same. >> Yeah, that's all the same clip. Yeah.
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>> Okay. Uh, so also in this clip, we have Amber on her phone and pointing at the
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mystery woman who is coming back up the escalator as she guides Brighton to the the restroom. Bear with me here, guys,
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because there's a lot going on in this this clip. Um, at this time, we have two CPD officers
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in this general location. We have the Brian Schaefer doppelganger. He's standing out there at at the top of the
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stairs as well. He's talking with a group of people. So, this appears to be two other men and a female. They they
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seem excited. They're they're excited about whatever they're talking about. I have no idea what they're talking about,
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but they're very expressive with their hand motions. Uh very clearly engaged in this conversation. And also at this time
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we have individuals coming up the escalator. So a lot of activity in the space at the time. And this is where we
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see Yep. There's the cell phone and somebody and she points. They're pointing again. We see a single
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Yeah. You can see the mystery girl as she's coming up the escalator. She then joins the group. Now you don't see her
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on that. You see her walk towards the group, but you can see the other individuals
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next to Brian and Amber and Brighton kind of acknowledge that that mystery girl joined the conversation with Brian,
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Brian, Amber, and Brighton. Because we can't see the mystery woman's movements, I
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hesitate to say she joins the group. It looks to me like she walks past the group and but you're right the
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several of the individuals standing next to Brian clearly rec you know that they she
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doesn't go unnoticed by this group. Uh the and given the time of night and you know you're out probably single, you're
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young, you've had some drinks, it wouldn't be crazy for a young young fella to be looking to hook up. They're
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checking out some chicks. She's walking by. That That's what it looks like to me. Like the these three guys all kind
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of look at her as she she walks by. And it appears that Brian then leaves the group. And judging by the direction that
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he is moving off of camera, I have to guess that he's going back into the ugly tuna saloona.
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>> Right. And at some point, Brighton puts her number in Brian's phone. Is that correct? So, the other thing that a lot
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of people have noticed and pointed out in this clip in particular is that it appears that Brian puts his hand in
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Amber's purse. And I've slowed it down many of times. I have watched it numerous times and it it does appear
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that way. Now, I can't tell what he does, but it does appear that his hand goes into her purse.
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>> Are all these three women leaving together? They do. >> Yeah, I see. I see that, too.
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>> So, that's the next clip, right? >> At 1:58 a.m., Brighton returns from the restroom. And at 1:59 a.m., Amber
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Brighton and the mystery woman are seen leaving the ugly tuna saloona. >> And this was
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something that jumped out to me because we've been telling this story and been looking into his case for over 10 years.
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And it was always Brian is at the bar talking with Amber, talking with Brighton. Brighton puts her number into
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Brian's phone. I think you could make some assumptions of whether Brian was flirty with Brighton or if he is flirty
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with Amber or he's flirty with both of them. You can make some assumptions that this mystery girl is with them or not
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with them. But what we can prove from the surveillance is the mystery girl shows up earlier at the bar with Amber
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and then she leaves with Amber and Brighton. And it's not like Amber and Brighton go on the escalator and the
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mystery girl follows them. The mystery girl is like sandwiched in between the two. And
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I I don't want to speak for Kelly, but I think we both find it odd that Amber and
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Brighton don't know the identity of this girl. And also, if you're law enforcement and you have
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this surveillance footage, then you're like, "Okay, we want to talk to these two girls that he was last seen on
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camera talking to." And it seems like the police have never understood it was not just two girls,
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but it was actually three. And so the police can't even tell us who the third girl is. And they can't even tell you
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that there was a third girl there. And I think that's concerning. >> It is very concerning. And you know, I
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mentioned all the people that Nick and I interviewed in the early days of Comeback. And Amber and Brighton were
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two of the people that we interviewed. And I have always thought that this mystery woman joined
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their group. And I have recordings from both of them in 2018 telling me that there was no other
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woman, that they don't know who that woman is. >> Yeah. And >> now now we know it's it was Amber's
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roommate. >> Okay. The uh cat is out of the bag there, right? Um because I I had a whole
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different line of questioning, but >> Yeah. But is that is that confirmed or is that just speculation?
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>> Brighton confirmed it for me last week, but Amber still doesn't know her name.
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>> Yeah. And we should also point out that when people have talked to Amber, she
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claims, well, I had a long-term boyfriend at the time, which she never stated that individual's name either.
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And look, I understand like if if you're not being questioned by law enforcement,
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you don't have to give anybody information. But again, it's another situation where
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it's like, you know, because I think their claim was, "We went to the bar, we talked to Brian, we're going to leave."
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They even have said Brian was going to walk us out to the car and he didn't. And then people go, "Well, where did you
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guys go afterwards?" Well, I went to a we went to a party at Amber's boyfriend's house. Okay. Well, what what
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was his name? Can't remember. >> I don't remember. >> And then, hey, uh you we have look and
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I've spoke with Brighton many times and she's a very lovely person and she wants
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to help. She will remind you often she was intoxicated at this time period that she was hanging out with Brian and that
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she left. Uh, and I don't think she's ever lying to me. I think there's just certain
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things that she doesn't know. The first couple times I talked to her about who is Amber's boyfriend at the time, she
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couldn't remember. She eventually did. And then with the roommate, she goes, "Well, I think it's the it's Amber's old
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roommate." Well, that would make sense that Amber doesn't remember her name, but there's not a single person I've
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lived with that I can't remember their name, >> right? It It's not a big deal that
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Brighton didn't know the girl because I mean, there was very little time that Brighton and the girl were in the bar at
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the same time. So, it seems that their paths didn't cross very often. At 2:09 a.m., Clint and Meredith are seen
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leaving the Ugly Tuna Saloona. >> This clip is interesting to me. There is a gentleman that exits uh shortly after
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they do within, you know, steps of them leaving the Ugly Tuna. I wouldn't describe that gentleman as being a third
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in this group. It appears to me that Clint and Meredith are very clearly together and he just happens to be
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behind them. But something you had said earlier in our conversation, Kelly, where uh their relationship Clinton
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Meredith was moving along at a certain pace and there's you I didn't know the nature of
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their relationship and I'm not going to claim to still have a clear understanding of that, but she does grip
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his arm uh in a manner that he's, you know, escorting her or or or leading the way as they leave the bar. Like if I saw
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those two together, if I were passing them coming up the other way, I would assume that I'm looking at boyfriend and
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girlfriend. >> Yeah. And they they actually, like I said, that was the first night that they
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were going to spin together. And they actually dated for 6 to 8 months after Brian's disappearance. So they actually
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were in a relationship. >> And you've been able to talk to Meredith? >> I have not. But I I do want to remind
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people that Meredith was cooperative with police and gave a polygraph test. >> Yeah. Everything that I have heard from
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any investigator is that they believe Meredith is 100% being truthful. >> The Columbus police officers are not
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visible in this scene with Clint and Meredith leaving. They they could still be on that platform up there somewhere,
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but they are not standing near the stairs in this footage or near the escalator.
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>> Yeah, there was actually a scuffle outside at that time and the police officers had to go down and make sure
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that everything was okay and it didn't escalate. >> Yeah. 2 a.m. after a Friday night of drinking at the
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bars. It would in campus on campus. It would be weird if there wasn't a scuffle.
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>> Well, again, isn't that the weekend that's leading into spring break? Yes. So, Nick, you actually brought up
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something interesting that I found in the surveillance, too, and it is the guy leaving with well, not with behind Clint
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and Meredith. That guy was actually known as the orange sweater man. >> Yeah, we talked about him. I I think I
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misspoke earlier when we said when we first covered this in 2015. We first covered it in 2016
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leading up to the 10-year marker of Brian's disappearance. And the orange sweater man was somebody that we had
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talked about during that coverage. >> And I just think it's I feel like it's so ridiculous. And that's and I I want
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to thank Kelly again for taking the time to share this information because it feels like for the last 10 years now 20
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years of him missing that there hasn't been like a a lot of these cases there's developments and it seems like there's
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been nothing [music] in the Schaefer case. Okay. So, so once you had this surveillance tape
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[music] because you had to get this from CPD, right? What's your big takeaways from what you learn from this?
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>> Well, my big takeaway, I think, is how little was reported accurately. You know, it was such a big deal made about
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Brian potentially being killed in the bar, but the last footage we see of him, he was already outside of the bar. I
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think a lot of people have a difficult time understanding that the ugly tuna and the gateway are two totally
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different entities inside one building. But it was after years of being told by Amber and
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Brighton that they arrived together that they didn't. And now this mystery woman that I had suspicions on for years
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actually arrived with Amber and left with both of them. I was told they went back to Amber's boyfriend's house and
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they went to sleep. Now, I know there was an afterparty. Then we have the four other guys that
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were out with Brian that night. Like Brian was in the bar that we know of for 45 minutes based on surveillance. And in
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those 45 minutes, he flirted with Amber and Brighton. He was kissing on Brighton's neck. He's hanging out with
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Clinton Meredith. he's hanging out with the other four guys. It It just seems like
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he was a little all over the place and not really spending time with one particular person.
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So, I'm kind of confused why we always heard he was out with Clint that night when he was out with a lot of people
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that night >> in in this room though. In this room, I mean, he's clearly out with Clint in the
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in the sense that they are moving together from location to location. They start together the evening. If the way
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the narrative is, we are to believe that they intended to end the evening together. So, I think it's absolutely
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100% fair and accurate to describe them as out together that night. They're just
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not in this space. I mean, we got to keep in mind, too, the captain said it perfectly earlier in our conversation.
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You kind of got to look at this campus. OSU campus is bigger than most campuses and it's almost like its own city. And
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in a way within that community, you're going to have people when you go from bar to bar that you're going to know,
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right? You're going to see someone across the way. You're going to see somebody standing up at the bar. You're
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going to bump into somebody in the restroom that you know from class or you know from a previous year at school or
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somebody that you may have met on a on another night out. Um, so there's going to be people, you know, and we also have
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to keep in mind, too, Brian Schaefer is what I would refer to as a super senior.
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Those types are typically the ones that are very social when they go out to these different places because they have
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little apprehension about them. They've been to these places before. These are places that they
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they've they frequented. They again, they're going to know some folks. and you just feel it's a it's like a natural
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pecking order or natural spot on the food chain where as a super senior being his age given some of the the younger uh
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college folks he's going to kind of feel like the big man on campus a little bit
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like this is this is my stomping ground this is where I feel comfortable just going up and kind of kind of showing
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myself a little bit right like oh you night out. Uh, you guys are being boring. I'll go over here and I'll talk
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to the band or I'll go talk to these people over here. I'm I'm kind of the big man on campus. And we all know
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somebody in our social circles that also has nothing to do with college or being
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the big man on campus, but also may have that kind of personality as well. >> Yeah. But some of my problem is the
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narrative of the story. Brian goes to Ugly Tuna with his friend Clint and Meredith. And then he talks to these two
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random girls, Amber and Brighton. And then you go, they're not really random girls because Amber knows Clint because
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he's the teacher's assistant in one of her classes. So that now combines the whole group. And I think there's even
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maybe some evidence that Meredith knew of Amber and Brighton. And then you have this third girl, this mystery girl we
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have no name for. So now she's part of the group. So now we have a group of three that becomes a group of five that
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becomes a group of six. And you can't say that. Okay. Well, if Brian's out with Clint that night, I think I agree
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with you. You can 100% say that. But when you have phone records of him and Clint trying to
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join this other party, this party of four, and we know that they're at the bar, and we know that they've had
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several communications that night, then they need to become part of the story, too, because now we have a group of
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three that becomes a group of at least 10. and how many other people in that group
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knew of other individuals. And I think his case becomes complicated because he starts the night at the Ugly
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Tuna and then he goes to several other clubs and then he ends up there and so was there other individuals there
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besides these four guys that nobody's brought up for the last 10 years or actually for the
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last 20 years. So, I actually think yes. And because you know it's very tedious to go through
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the surveillance footage in general, but it's very difficult to go through the surveillance footage and pick out people
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that you don't know. And the four guys is someone that I have not positively IDed on the surveillance footage, but
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I'm pretty sure I would say I'm about 99% sure that I've identified one of them. And if that's the case, and it is
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who I think it is, which is Brandon, then Brandon arrives with two separate people that's not part of the original
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pack of people that we've been talking about. So that'll throw in two more people that were out that night.
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>> And we've talked about a lot of names, a lot of people, a lot of different places. Who is Brandon again?
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>> Brandon was the fellow college co-ed that was in medical school as well. >> Yeah. And so the four guys that we
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believe that he was trying to meet that night were Jason Fistic, Brandon Chatuni, and what are the other two
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guys' names? >> Jeremy Rogers and Graham Davis. >> And again, this is not to throw anybody
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under the bus, but what I feel is sad in this story is Clint has been thrown under the bus. He was thrown under the
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bus by Randy Schaefer. He was Don Corbett, which is the private investigator that helped Randy Schaefer,
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was told by Randy, "Hey, you need to look into Clint." Clint then lawyered up. And because of
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people like us telling this story on the interwebs and people like Kelly doing a
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long form podcast on this case, Clint then gets thrown under the bus just like the band gets thrown under the bus. And
00:31:08
so I'm not trying to throw these guys under the bus, but I hope that some of these individuals come out and
00:31:15
[clears throat] share their story or share any information that they think of is of
00:31:20
importance that hasn't been out there. >> Yes, I hope so, too. And you know, I want to touch on this since you just
00:31:27
said it. Um, Clint was absolutely thrown under the bus. Actually, I can't reveal my source, but
00:31:35
Clint was told by Randy Schaefer not to show up to any more searches. When Clint
00:31:42
listened to Ry's wishes, Randy then went and started telling everyone that Clint
00:31:48
had something to hide. That that's why he wasn't showing up. And he went to Columbus Police Department and told them
00:31:56
that Clint had something to hide. He was the last person out with him. And Randy
00:32:01
really threw Clint under the bus pretty hard. >> Well, and when I talked to Don Corbett,
00:32:07
which look, Don is a character, but it's a character that you'd love to talk to, but he said, "Look, we know
00:32:16
that Clint and Meredith leave the bar. We know that Clint was housesitting. We have, you know, he arrives at the house
00:32:24
that he was housesitting within the time period he should have leaving the ugly tuna. We have him with Meredith the
00:32:32
whole time. We have them leaving that house the next day in the morning together.
00:32:38
And then he he is responding to going to Brian's apartment. He is showing a level
00:32:47
of concern when Don Corbett tells Randy Schaefer, "Hey, this guy has an alibi." Basically, Randy Schaefer was like,
00:32:56
"Yeah, who cares? Keep looking into him. He had something to do with it." And I don't know if that was Randy thinking
00:33:03
that he had something to do with murdering his son or if he just felt like he had more knowledge of what
00:33:12
happened or or maybe even Randy thought there was a possibility that Brian decided to start a new life somewhere
00:33:20
and that maybe Clint knew about it. >> So I actually have some letters and some emails back and forth between Randy and
00:33:27
Clint. And I would say based on Ry's words, it was more he thought that Clint could know something, not that he harmed
00:33:36
Brian. >> Right. >> Yeah. [clears throat] And and look to to be fair. Okay. Um while it may not
00:33:45
while we may not all agree that it was fair that Randy is saying, "No, keep pressing him. Keep pressing him. He had
00:33:51
an alibi. I don't care. Keep pressing him. He knows something. He knows something." I've spoke to a lot of
00:33:56
family members of victims, some homicides, some missing persons and what have you. And some of them, not all of
00:34:04
them, but some of them are very, very suspicious. And some of them are very, very suspicious of not just one
00:34:12
individual, but of a lot of individuals. I might have to throw Randy into that category of just it's it can be very
00:34:20
difficult sometimes for someone to reconcile with the idea that the last person you thought your loved
00:34:29
one was with has no answers as to where your that person is. Or let's keep in mind too, sometimes we we have
00:34:41
information that we don't know that is important to a situation. We don't know how it lines up with other bits of
00:34:47
information. And so sometimes you keep going to that well and you keep going to that well and you keep going to that
00:34:53
well hoping to pull water from it. It's difficult for me to fault Randy for having these suspicions or for pushing
00:35:02
individuals to continue to lean on Clint because we can sit here and have the the
00:35:10
privilege of looking at it with a clearer head and trying to be logical with everything that we're analyzing
00:35:19
where if I were Randy guided by emotion and blinded by emotion I wouldn't be able to do that.
00:35:27
>> Well, and I do want to talk about something before we wrap up this part. So, with this surveillance footage and
00:35:35
people being able to dissect it more, you are a part of it was like a documentary
00:35:42
about Brian Schaefer. And I could be getting this completely wrong, but but during this footage uh that they
00:35:53
played, cuz they played some extended surveillance footage that there's some people that believe that they saw Brian
00:36:00
leaving on surveillance. >> The lookalike guy. >> Yeah. Yeah. That doppelganger guy that I
00:36:05
pointed out. >> Yeah. >> It's a different doppelganger dressed exactly the same.
00:36:09
>> Yeah. There there's at least one guy that I spotted that had a dark colored t-shirt with a light colored long sleeve
00:36:15
shirt underneath. Similar haircut, white dude wearing jeans, very similarly dressed,
00:36:22
>> like basically the same outfit as Schaefer, but >> and it's almost comical because it's
00:36:27
weird like when Schaefer is coming up this the escalator and of course maybe that guy's the only guy at the top and
00:36:33
so how could he not go uh how could he go unnoticed? But he they they kind of look at each other almost to like you
00:36:41
know how it is like when you're out somewhere and somebody's dressed almost like you and you see them and you kind
00:36:46
of like give each other a quick look like hey guys >> thanks for stealing my style.
00:36:52
>> We Yeah. And we we could be friends. >> Well, you know it's the same way. Amber
00:36:56
Brighton and Meredith all have on the same outfit. >> Yeah. Just just different colors.
00:37:02
>> Yeah. Well, they all have on the white coat or like denim jacket looking thing
00:37:05
and jeans like but a different undershirt and different purse. But it was very difficult to go through.
00:37:11
>> You could definitely tell that the that there was a style, right? A modern-day
00:37:16
style going on in 2006 because it's you see it replicated multiple times in the surveillance footage. Well, in the clip
00:37:24
that I saw, I mean, the first time you see the clip of the it it's an individual that's dressed like Brian has
00:37:32
a similar build, but he looks maybe a little thinner, but he's not going down the escalator.
00:37:38
He's going down the steps. >> Yeah. And it did look a lot like Brian. And I think I probably would have
00:37:45
continued to think it was Brian had it not been for receiving all of the surveillance footage that I did. I was
00:37:51
actually able to find the Brian lookalike in another portion of the surveillance footage and it just so
00:37:58
happens that him and Brian were in the same scene together. So I was able to prove that that was not Brian leaving
00:38:04
the bar. >> So we are going to put this surveillance timeline on true crimegar.com and also
00:38:10
put a extended version of some of the surveillance footage that's unedited. So any web sleuththers or armchair
00:38:18
detectives that want to take a look at we're it's a call to action to have people look at this. I have looked at it
00:38:26
for hours maybe days. I know Kelly has done the same. So at this point every time I watch it I'm hoping to see
00:38:36
something new but I don't know if I will at this point. So it's a call to action
00:38:41
for anybody that's interested in this case. take a look at this footage and if you think you see anything, please email
00:38:50
true crimeg garage captaing garage.com. >> So I would like to add on that I am going to release the last hour of
00:38:59
surveillance footage that Brian was inside the ugly tuna saloona. The footage has not been edited at all.
00:39:06
However, when it was sent to me on a disc, it was sent in three separate files. Well, that one hour of Brian's
00:39:15
time there falls in between two separate files. So, there will be a short delay where it goes over to the next file, but
00:39:24
there will be no editing. >> But, I really do want to applaud Kelly for going the extra steps to get this
00:39:31
CCTV surveillance footage. But, I think it's just one angle. I think that CPD has other angles. And why aren't they
00:39:42
releasing those to us? Because we have learned stuff from the footage that it took a long time to get, but once we get
00:39:51
it, and again, they they just give you hours of the footage so you can sift through it. Well, we sift through it and
00:39:58
we figure some stuff out. And when you go back and talk to these investigators and you say, "Why why wasn't the girls
00:40:07
last seen with Brian talked to more? Why weren't they questioned more? Why didn't
00:40:12
you give them polygraph tests? Why didn't you ask them more questions because they don't have answers for
00:40:18
certain things? And why didn't you know that they were there with another female? It wasn't just two girls, it was
00:40:25
three. Maybe the third girl, the mystery girl, didn't have much contact or involvement with Brian Schaefer that
00:40:32
night. But it seems like there's some secret stuff going on. Secret time. It just raises questions. It's hard to also
00:40:42
ask questions of Amber or Brighton 20 years later. Of course, they're not going to remember some stuff now. It's
00:40:49
20 years later, but why wasn't this done in the beginning? Why don't we take Why
00:40:55
doesn't law enforcement why doesn't detectives take missing person cases more serious from the get-go? Like we've
00:41:01
heard over and over, investigate the case as if it's a homicide until you prove it's not. And then also these four
00:41:08
guys. Look, what the surveillance footage proves to me is there has to be other angles because who do we not see
00:41:18
on the surveillance footage? We don't see the band. We know for a fact the band was there. There's at least three
00:41:25
members in the band. And then how many of their friends were watching them? Again, from the people I talked to, over
00:41:31
10 people. Where are these individuals? Some of these people I know. I can't pick them out on the CCTV. So, there has
00:41:39
to be other angles. Why won't you share those with us so we can then dissect them? Why won't you share them with the
00:41:45
public? It's 20 years and it seems like you're not anywhere closer. Yeah. A couple years ago, congratulations. You
00:41:52
released a age progress photo of Brian Schaefer. Congratulations. We can do that within 30 seconds now on ChatGpt.
00:42:01
And what about these four other individuals? Like we've said multiple times, Clint gets thrown under the bus.
00:42:07
Meredith gets thrown under the bus. All these individuals get thrown under the bus, but there's four other individuals
00:42:15
that we know Brian was in communication with that night and going from bar to bar to bar to bar to bar to try to find
00:42:22
them. Why was he trying to find them? What was the purpose? What was the intent? Why weren't these individuals
00:42:28
questioned more? when you did question these individuals and they said things that didn't make a lot of sense. Why
00:42:34
didn't you follow up on that? It just seems like there's so many unanswered questions.
00:42:41
But this notion, this again, whether the narrative is coming from Randy Schaefer
00:42:47
or the narrative is just coming from law enforcement, this narrative of Brian went into the bar and he never left the
00:42:55
bar, we know is not true. And again, what about the other angles? If you showed me another angle that showed the
00:43:04
entrance of ugly tuna, I can show Brian Schaefer leaving that area. I know I could, cuz there's exits in the CCTV
00:43:12
footage. There's a lot you don't see. You see the escalators, you see the stairs. You don't see the exits. That
00:43:20
would have just be right to the right of leaving the ugly tuna. It's 20 years. I
00:43:27
wish these people would come forward. I wish these people would tell their story. Even if you don't think you have
00:43:34
a lot to offer. Maybe it moves the needle and it's been 20 years and it just doesn't seem like the move the
00:43:42
needle is moving. And that is why we are putting out this information. We have information. We don't have answers.
00:43:51
and we're hoping that these individuals will contact us or contact the police, but the police are unresponsive to us.
00:44:01
We're putting on an event. We want you to be at the event. Tickets are on sale now. We're not lining our pockets. We're
00:44:08
going to give that money to another organization, the Porchlite Project, to do more work for law enforcement, to do
00:44:16
DNA testing, to help out with missing person cases. We're putting in time and effort to try to make a difference.
00:44:25
Again, that surveillance footage will be on true crimegar.com. Please look at it and see if you could
00:44:33
see something that we aren't. Until the next episode, be good, be kind, and don't litter.
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