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a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] in 2016 the Royal Canadian Mounted Police in
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Manitoba Saskatchewan British Columbia decided it was time to revisit a cold Cold Case the 1986 homicide that rattled
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the town of Thompson and haunted its inhabitants ever since the Specter of the Dead 15 year old girl
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cast a Paul over the whole place and there was nothing new so the RCMP took on a novel approach
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on October 16 2016 30 years after the murder the RCMP MB Twitter feed halted its
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usual updates and instead tweeted the following devastating messages hello I am Carrie Ann Brown
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I was raped beaten and murdered 30 years ago today can you help find my killer what you did to me that night destroyed
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my family and friends I didn't do anything wrong I was a happy 15 year old girl their silence
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but someone knows come forward stop being cowards how were you able to keep what you did
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to me hidden I want to talk about the day I was killed I want people to know what happened to
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me I want the Killer caught my house at six Red River Road in Thompson was simple but I loved it my
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dad and brother Trevor still live there today I loved hockey and the Penguins were my
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favorite team Mario Lemieux was so great how could you not love them to this day
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my friends remember my sense of humor I had a great laugh and nothing was funnier than playing
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pranks truth is I was a very normal 15 year old girl athletic well liked cheerful and
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compassionate I didn't have any enemies everyone has their quirks Bridges were mine
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I don't know why but I hated them and was always nervous crossing over one okay for people that don't know my story
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My Last Day alive was 30 years ago today it was 1986. and it was a Thursday I woke up with Coco the bear I had so
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many plush animals but Coco was the one I couldn't go without school that day was okay
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I had so many friends that going to school at Rd Parker Collegiate was actually fun
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I loved gym class I was only five foot one inch 110 pounds but fast and feisty I was a great Runner and could easily
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beat my brothers first two classes that day were back-to-back typing then math and
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English I couldn't wait for Jim at the end of that day FYI in 1986 I was still learning to type on a giant
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typewriter not fun I could not wait for lunch it was a normal day I had a doctor's
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appointment that afternoon but otherwise everything else was completely ordinary
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I had been having headaches just wasn't feeling well so I left school for a bit for a doctor's appointment I went home
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after school didn't have a job but my parents gave me ten dollars a week for allowance
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I don't know what it was that afternoon being 15 I guess but I was a little upset and a bit
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anxious after my appointment we ate supper together as a family that night my last night alive I'm so
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thankful for that I know they are too we ate roast beef that night but my favorite meal was pepperoni and mushroom
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pizza from Santa Maria I remember my brothers fighting over the donuts for dessert and being worried I
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wouldn't get one there was a party that night and my mom and dad said I could stay at my
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girlfriend's house for a sleepover before the party my girlfriend came over and we walked to Thompson Billiards
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I never walked anywhere in town alone it was a warm night with no snow but I wore the new dark jacket my family
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gave me for my birthday anyway we left Thompson Billiards and walked over to 41 Cooper Road which wasn't very
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far we only stayed on Cooper Road for a few minutes then we walked to the party at
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my friend's house at 11 trout Avenue I know what you're thinking yes some of us were drinking
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my friend's parents were home though and they were supervising it was so much fun I had really great
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friends and we were having an awesome time laughing listening to music and hanging
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out then a friend showed up we didn't get along anymore it sucked I had been having such a good time too we chatted
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for a while it was formal and polite it didn't help my night was ruined I wanted to leave so
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my girlfriend and I decided to go for a walk and talk we got to the back door when my friend
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decided she better go downstairs to tell our friends where we were going I stayed standing there near the back
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door to wait for her my friend's mom was the only other person around I went outside to wait
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that's when it happened I was strong and put up a fight but it wasn't enough this is the
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unsolved case of Carrie Brown and this is true crime garage [Music] foreign 1986 Carrie Ann Brown was just as you
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heard a normal 15 year old girl living in the great white North Carrie was born in Burke's Falls Ontario on August 19
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1971 in 86 she lived in her family's house on Red River Drive in the town of Thompson Carrie's parents are Jim and
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Ann Brown and she has two older brothers Trevor and her half-brother Ian from his
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mother's first marriage Jim had a job at the inco mine and worked at Thompson General Hospital as a medical
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transcriptionist the town of Thompson is a mining town named after the family that owned the mine the town itself had
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only been around since 1956 and although it had just about 12 000 residents it was known as The Hub of the north
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because it was the only place in the area with Access to Health Care Facilities shopping and other services
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tens of thousands of Outsiders came to the town yearly it was a tight-knit community with residents who looked out
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for each other it was also a very outdoorsy area with hunters and campers and fishermen comprising much of much of
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the population those who didn't work in the mine of course for teenagers it was kind of a boring town and in typical
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teen fashion they had to come up with inventive ways to find excitement having parties drinking a little bit and dating
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as we learned in the trailer Carrie was a fun-loving girl that was athletic she loved gym class captain and she loved
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ice hockey she was just at that age where she was between being a girl and being a woman she still loved her
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stuffed bear cocoa but she also had recently split up with a boyfriend more on that in a minute Carrie's parents had
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some troubles and that Carrie's mom and brother Trevor both suffered from retinitis Pigmentosa and by the time our
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story takes place Anne was blind Carrie herself had been having headaches but it does not seem that she suffered
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from the same Affliction let's get to the night in question so this is going to be October 16th captain and this is a
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Thursday now as we heard in today's trailer Carrie had a normal school day minus the doctor's appointment that
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would have been outside of the normal day for her she got out of school about 3 30 Carrie and her dad picked up a
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couple of donuts as they were out buying her a winter coat they had dinner together as a family and then there was
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a kerfuffle over the donuts and Carrie was a little upset but then she rallied and she was going to hang out with
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friends anyway so she kind of got over it there was a party at Carrie's friend's house Doug crocus so Doug is a
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classmate a schoolmate of carries he is one year older than her and her two best
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friends Rhonda and Nicole will be joining her at this teen age Gathering before the party Rhonda who lived nearby
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came over to Carrie's house to pick her up Carrie was wearing a pink outfit with
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her favorite Pittsburgh Penguins jacket around 7 PM that night they wandered to the Billiards place then another
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friend's house and then to Doug's Doug lives at 11 trout Avenue so from my understanding here Captain Doug's house
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is quite a ways away from Carrie's house from my understanding they walked there
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in a rather large group of friends so they're walking there so three of them and then more kids meet up with them
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along the way now we have this big pack of teenagers all making their way to Doug's place right they get there around
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9 30 maybe 10 at the latest now Nicole lived on the other side of town from Kerry and Rhonda but just two blocks
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away from Doug's house the neighborhood is the Westwood neighborhood and it is described as a middle class residential
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area this Gathering was later described by Doug on the somebody knows something podcast which covered this case
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extensively in season five it was a group of about 25 kids who knew each other pretty well ranging in age from 15
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to 18. some were legal to drink and some weren't like Carrie and her girlfriends
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they were in the younger batch of kids but there was some beer there Doug's mom was home and was on board with all of
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this and according to Doug although kids were coming and going a bit throughout the evening it was not like a raging
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party this was kind of a kind of a low-key thing and he says that he knew every single person that came to his
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house that night there were no strangers there were no out-of-towners there were
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no creeps that has been reported to been at this party well this this happens all
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the time in high school somebody tells you hey old Doug is having a party whether or not you're invited you
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probably know somebody that's invited you don't feel intimidated to just walk into a party you're probably going to
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know somebody 99 of the people there are going to be from your high school well and when you're growing up in an area
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that doesn't have a whole lot to do or a whole lot of excitement for teenagers and frankly there's many places like
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that as we said they kind of have to create their own excitement and as you said it's not so much hey I was invited
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to this party but if you tag along with somebody that was you're in the door yeah or in my high school sometimes
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people just pass out flyers to somebody's house we gotta hey did you get the flyer you're invited sometimes
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that can go terribly wrong or sometimes terribly from my understanding Captain it's this is a very typical party now we
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said that this was a Thursday but we should point out that there was no school scheduled for that Friday so it
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makes sense that Doug is having this party he says it's just a group of high school friends all hanging out in Doug's
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basement they're playing music they're talking they're eating snacks all pretty much normal stuff and there's parents
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there his mother is there she doesn't have everybody under a microscope but according to her and according to Doug
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later they both said that she was somewhat supervising or The Chaperone of this party if you will yeah the the
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visual I get is Eric forman's basement right and everybody's having a party in Eric Foreman's basement the way that
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this evening is going about everybody's just I mean everybody's having a great time that's what's always been reported
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everybody was having a great time until Carrie her ex-boyfriend remember she just broke up a few days prior his name
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is Chuck and he shows up to the party and he's not alone he's actually with a previous girlfriend of his somebody that
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he dated before Carrie Carrie knew that Chuck had gotten back with his ex-girlfriend so there was nothing like
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confrontational about Chuck being there and Carrie being there but Carrie did say that she felt
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awkward and uncomfortable this is what she expressed to her friends and it was probably just because the breakup was
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pretty recent well way to go butt face Chuck showing up with your ex-girlfriend ruining the party now we read the tweet
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from the RCMP in today's trailer that said Carrie became upset because she didn't want to be there when her
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ex-boyfriend was there and we get it everyone's been in that position no matter what age you are it's it can be
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awkward yeah it's you know Carrie's sitting there having a good time at the party her boyfriend her ex-boyfriend
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walks in with his ex-girlfriend and the first thing you're thinking is awkward and this is you know 15 year old kids
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and this all remember how important all of this stuff seemed when we were 15 and
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then you grow up and realize it's not important at all but Carrie decides hey maybe it's time
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to leave and they have a curfew anyway she's going to stay the night at her friend's house but her friend has a
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curfew and Carrie has a curfew that even when staying at a friend's house that she needs to observe
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she's only 15. now it doesn't sound like Carrie would be the type to leave a party on her own you heard in the tweets
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saying she had never walked anywhere alone at night but remember Nicole her friend lived near Doug's house
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and Carrie was planning on sleeping over at Nicole's now looking at Google Maps for context shows us that Doug didn't
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live in the middle of nowhere in fact we would describe his neighborhood as thickly settled residential area with
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blocks and blocks of houses surrounding it which makes sense on why these kids gathered in a group and walked to his
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house correct and this is not a situation where we have this girl who has a little
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to drink and then she stumbles out the door into the frozen tundra never to be seen again this is an area that would be
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full of cars and houses you know but all but although by this point we're talking
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about we're getting close to to the midnight hour so maybe maybe a little sleepy at this point uh the the town
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anyway well we have to remember the date because I think we're so used to just things being open 24 7. and this is in
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the 80s but back in the 90s things would close down about nine o'clock ten o'clock Carrie and her friend Nicole end
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up going upstairs remember they're getting ready to leave and presumably at this point they're talking over what
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their options are and they don't want to do this in front of the other high schoolers Carrie is voting that they
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leave so the two decide that they're going to leave they walk out of Doug's house when Nicole realizes that she had
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forgotten her purse so they turned around and walked back to his house Carrie is waiting upstairs she did not
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want to go back down into the basement where all the kids were right the tweets indicate that Doug's mom
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was there as well like we said earlier now Nicole ran into her ex so a different kid on the stairs they have a
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conversation sounds like he wanted to get back together or something like that but it's a lengthy conversation that
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Nicole would later say lasted for about 10 minutes or so Nicole could see Carrie
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at the top of the steps during portions of this conversation but at some point her friend Carrie stepped away so she
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could no longer see her and she's continuing on this conversation yeah but we've all been there you know he you're
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at that party you it's time to go your friend runs into her ex they're having a conversation so you keep making your
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presence known like hey it's time to leave let's let's get going and then eventually eventually Carrie
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stops making our presence known to Nicole yeah maybe she wants to give a little privacy for their conversation we
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don't know it's hard to say but while she's upstairs Doug The Host he recalls seeing Carrie upstairs and he
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tells her hey don't you probably shouldn't leave on your own it's late you should wait for Nicole Carrie then
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asked Doug to go get Nicole so he went back down to the basement Nicole then goes upstairs a few minutes
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we're talking just a few minutes later and by this point it had started to snow outside
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and Carrie was gone Nicole could see footprints in the snow leaving Doug's house
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and the footprints they stopped at the end of the driveway at the road and there of course were tire tracks on the
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road well this is difficult too because you have these kids going in and out of this house but mainly using the basement
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but I remember being at parties like this when I was in high school and there would be a little bit of a crowd outside
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maybe coming into the party or leaving the party or trying to make plans on what is
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next right the other thing I remember there would usually be some kind of pointless silly
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argument some drama and like always one person storms off into the night on foot alone yeah
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weirdly that happened that almost every party I went to so Nicole she can't find her friend she decides
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all right I'm gonna go outside start walking and I should encounter Carrie on my way back to my house which does not
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happen so then she well let me say the obvious though too about these parties is Carrie and her friends yes they're 15
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but but Doug is older so a lot of these people go into this party are not showing up on foot they're driving their
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vehicles Nicole turns around and she doubles back to Doug's a couple of times she's not just walking this route
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repeatedly but she's also scouring the area essentially looking for her friend and she finds nothing on several trips
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at some point she gets worried and frightened for her friend she starts crying and she misses her curfew so she
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doesn't make it home until about an hour late which would be 1am and her mom would later say that she saw her
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daughter Nicole throwing up and I don't know if she drank too much or if this was a combination of drinking and and
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being upset about her friend um so it sounds like her and her mom have a little bit of a argument about
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Nicole drinking at the party but from all the reports I've seen this is where things start getting really weird
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because we're only talking about a few minutes that Carrie would have been outside by
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herself somehow she vanishes during that time and Nicole makes it back to her house she's late as we said
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because she spent some time looking for her friend the reports state that Nicole's mom was not aware that Carrie
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was going to be sleeping over that night so Nicole of course she feels incredibly
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guilty about all of this now in fact she says that she went through years and years and years of therapy to try to
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cope with this in some form or fashion but right she stops looking for Carrie that night and then she goes to bed and
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sleeps in the next day she likely just like any other kid would she likely went to bed thinking that Carrie either just
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decided to go home or get a ride home somehow or that Carrie would turn up well if we're going to question
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Nicole's the amount of alcohol that Nicole might have uh consumed we have to question the same thing when it comes to
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Carrie so we know that Carrie was upstairs then she leaves or we're assuming she leaves the party and then
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we have this track of footprints that lead to the end of the driveway and now we got some tire marks this is not a
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good situation well and we also have to point out something here and keep this in mind as we're going through the
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events here you know one of the benefits of constant connectivity that we currently have today that we forget
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about that when especially when we're complaining about cell phones and cell phone usage by younger people these days
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but today Kerry's friends would be able to see on Snap map you know exactly where their friend was
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and maybe she could have been found or even saved that night but we're talking about 1986 so that was not an option
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yeah or Carrie if she felt like hey it's time to go Nicole let's take care let's say Carrie
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thought that Nicole was being a little rude by talking to her ex a little bit too long maybe there'd be some text
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messages sent to her friend hey it's time to go or hey I'm going to just take off
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walking and and I'll eventually meet up with you but obviously they didn't have that technology to stay in contact and
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then navam disappears [Music] [Music] all right we are back to the windows to the walls cheers everybody cheers to you
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Colonel cheers to everybody out there in listener land in the morning on that Friday there was
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no school that's I mean praise the Lord that's the best Thursday you can have when you're a kid no school on Friday
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Carrie's brother Trevor had been drinking at his buddy Jerry's house the night before
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and he recalls that on Friday morning Carrie's friends started calling looking for her so at first Carrie's family
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Trevor her brother and in the family the Brown family they don't really think anything of this right I mean Carrie's a
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typical 15 year old teenager but they get worried when Nicole when her friend Nicole calls because that's completely
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different remember she was supposed to be staying there the night before Nicole calls the house this is sometime after
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lunch on that Friday Nicole had to tell them that she lost Carrie the night before lost track of her
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she was devastated when they in return tell her Carrie never came home last night this would be very difficult and
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like you said I mean Nicole Kerry's friend has struggled with this heck there's friends of mine that I've gotten
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arguments with and just never got over the argument never became close friends again
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but this is a whole another level you were with your friend you went to the party with your friend you feel
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somehow responsible for her leaving by herself and then like you said she went back and
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forth between her house and Doug's house the party looking for her friend and then at some
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point has to just come back home and go I I give up and when she doesn't show up
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that night and then I'm sure Nicole called some other people first hey did you have you
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seen Carrie it'd be devastating to have to call Carrie's family Carrie's brother
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Trevor discussed this very situation with the Thompson Citizen newspaper and said when Nicole called looking for
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Carrie they meaning his family realize no one knew where Carrie was she made some phone calls and then she called us
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back and said Carrie's lost we don't know where Carrie is it was at that point that my parents called the cops
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let them know what was going on they came over got a picture of Carrie they created a flyer rather quickly
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and he says within a couple of hours they had a bunch of Flyers made and then they all started Distributing them
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across the town of Thompson he says I was at home answering the phone talking to people that were
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calling once people had started learning that she was missing and that we were looking for her people wanted to help
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look for Carrie and so they did lots of people were out looking for her all over
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the city but no one found her that day and he goes on to say that we that Kerry's
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family the Brown family they didn't sleep that night well you remember these parties when you were a kid and it's
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like maybe at maximum capacity there was 30 kids there but throughout the night there could have been 60 70 different
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kids that show up like we said they show up in little Groves little packs and then leave at different times
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so there's a lot of people that you can question that were there that night there at the
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time that Carrie was there and it's it's also hard to remember when people left you so if somebody says
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hey I left at 10 o'clock most of the time you just have to believe them because you're not going to remember
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every single detail of every single individual that was there at that party well and when the family becomes alarmed
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that they don't know where Carrie is this is one thing that I I find to be interesting here they called one of
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their phone calls amongst dozens of trying to track down their daughter was to the local taxi company this to see if
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Carrie had gotten into a car to you know take a ride to to try to attempt to get
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home or go elsewhere this makes sense to do as a parent especially after you're being told the
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story from Nicole that hey you know it looked like Carrie decided to split and got tired of waiting around
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for me and so this call makes sense however none of the calls that the taxi company
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had received from the night before none of them matched up with with where Kerry
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would have been uh yeah picking a location of correct location of Doug's party so this didn't seem like uh a
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great option that what is interesting though Captain there was a call to another area of town and just to
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double check everything Carrie's Father Jim actually drove to the the pickup and
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drop-off location of that call and said that he didn't recognize anything one and two didn't have any reason to
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connect it back to his daughter well again this is a this is a difficult situation because it's not just the
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people that were at the party it's people that drove to the party heck I remember being at some of these
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parties in high school where guys would drive up and maybe you'd go out to your buddy's truck and you'd talk for a
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little bit and then they would leave they wouldn't even come into the party so there's other individuals
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she's 15. uh 17 year old that drives by and goes she's leaving by herself hey Carrie do you need a ride yeah that'd be
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awesome maybe she decides oh somebody's going to give me a ride I'll go back to my house
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instead of going to Nicole's house but we don't know if she got into a vehicle and if she did who was the driver or who
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else was in the vehicle well and so to break things down a little bit here we have the party that took place on
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Thursday Carrie's Father Jim reported her missing around 4 P.M central time on Friday October 17th now we're going to
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fast forward to the following day on Saturday this is Saturday afternoon around 2 10 p.m we have a woman named
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Donna kovic and her friend Joanne they're out on their usual weekend horseback ride
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they were making their way along a muddy Road through a wooded area just north of
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the Burntwood River their horses at some point started to act skittish and then suddenly the two
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women saw a body on the ground this is from a CBC news article by Bryce Hoy it says quote they saw Kerry's body
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lying on a jacket with one hand up and one down she was dressed in a pink and black leopard print outfit and white
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socks kovic said you could see the face was smashed and beaten she could also tell that the arm
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that was up in the air was broken Okay so I want to take a second here to comment
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on some things that people familiar with the case are probably asking themselves
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right now or thinking and trying to recall there were a lot of rumors and even some
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reports that state that Kerry was found nude um that according to the women that
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found her Donna and Joanne is not the case it's just simply a rumor it's not true number one in number two
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they go on to publicly describe the outfit that she was found in police have been a little
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tight-lipped about some of the details of this case but again we get a description of the clothing that they
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saw on Carrie that day when they found her I'm assuming that that description is the same clothes that she went to the
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party in I don't have any reason to to assume otherwise right Carrie had been beaten to death about the face and head
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with branches broken off nearby trees police found the branches with blood on them at the scene
00:34:53
so on Saturday around 3 you know they make this terrible Discovery a little after 2 P.M
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the Brown family they'll be notified right around three o'clock uh but this is not by the police it's actually by
00:35:07
two teenagers who knew Trevor they told the family that the cops had found a body out by the horse stables
00:35:16
and at the same time you know this wasn't police dropping the ball here they just hadn't got to the
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brown Fam Family yet because as we will see as these two teenagers are telling Trevor
00:35:28
what the rumor is or what they had seen or heard the phone rings and this is the police
00:35:35
asking Jim and his family to come to the hospital because they're going to have to ID a body do you know how far these
00:35:45
horse stables are from Doug's house where the party took place Thursday night yeah from my understanding it's
00:35:51
like a two to three minute walk yeah so that makes it even more difficult because we have these footprints that
00:35:58
Nicole claims she saw that lead to basically tire tracks did somebody pick carry up in a vehicle or
00:36:08
did she walk to this location or was she led to this location well and staying on the the body Discovery here
00:36:17
too this is this is one of those we get this in every story where there's just one of these weird
00:36:23
kind of random heartbreaking moments here and this is when so Trevor remember he knows the two
00:36:31
teenagers that showed up at his house and that are telling him and his family hey the police found a body down by the
00:36:36
horse stables so his dad and mom are going to go to the hospital because they got a call from the police to come and
00:36:43
identify a body well Trevor does not want to wait he he can't he can't help himself he
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wants to find his sister he goes with the two teenagers back to the location where they heard a body was found
00:36:59
and the police of course they're still there and they've got everything roped off and they would not let Trevor
00:37:05
into the site obviously so Trevor is talking with one of the ladies that found Kerry's body who was still there
00:37:15
and he's asking her questions he's he said was the person was the body that you found
00:37:22
wearing a penguin's jacket remember she we know that she had a favorite hockey Pittsburgh Penguins jacket that she was
00:37:30
wearing that night when she left the house and arrived at the party Donna one of the women who was on
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Horseback that found the body says no there was no penguin's jacket and then Trevor her brother asked Donna was the
00:37:43
the body you found was was the female blonde Donna told Trevor no and so Trevor Carrie's brother goes oh great
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thank God it's not her it's not my sister but unfortunately he's wrong because a
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couple of things a couple of the details that we get from the women that found the body
00:38:04
Carrie was lying on top of the Penguin's jacket so they did not see the jacket it
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was there it was found at the scene but they did not witness the jacket and then
00:38:16
you heard the injuries that we described very briefly there carries blonde hair no longer appeared to be blonde it
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appeared to be brownish black because it was saturated with blood so he Trevor goes from this moment of heart just pure
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heartbreak to relief of thank God it's not my sister then to a short time later finding out that no it was it was yours
00:38:43
and then you got to think too these these two ladies on Horseback once you see the body how how much are you
00:38:50
looking at that body for detail at that point you go it is a body we need to call law enforcement it's not on them to
00:38:58
have every single detail about this victim no and they're they're answering these questions the best that they can
00:39:04
uh given what they they saw in the brief period of time that they saw it now you
00:39:10
know the family her family went to the hospital as we said her father Jim is the only one that went to the morgue but
00:39:16
later he said he knew even before he went to the hospital that it would be Carrie that that they had found
00:39:25
when Jim viewed the body he said that Kerry had blood coming out of her ears and autopsy would determine
00:39:34
that she had multiple fractures to her skull jaw neck and chest media described her death as due to
00:39:42
massive head injury caused by vicious powerful blows indicative of rage and loss of control
00:39:50
and she had been raped the time of death was believed to be between midnight and
00:39:56
1am this estimate this time of death estimate though comes from the police I've not been able to view the report to
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confirm that that's what it says in the the report but this is an item that they
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have released to the public if you will the police say that the time of death was between midnight and 1am the with
00:40:15
the amount of vicious blows this is a horrible scene it almost to me leans towards somebody in a complete and
00:40:26
utter rage or possibly multiple attackers yes and like we said in all likelihood
00:40:35
it looks like the murder weapon was found at the scene and it's there's several murder weapons in these branches
00:40:42
that they found that still had blood on them right at the hospital of course the RCMP
00:40:48
Personnel assured the family that they were going to do everything possible to find out who did this to
00:40:55
their daughter to their sister now Trevor keep in mind he's only 16 years old at
00:41:01
the time he's Carrie's older brother just one year older than than Carrie but still to this day Trevor has been the
00:41:09
driving force behind the decades-long push to keep his sister's case in the media
00:41:15
he says that the murder literally destroyed his family he says that his father became withdrawn
00:41:23
and dysfunctional and his mother was depressed until the very end she she eventually died of
00:41:29
cancer but he says she never got through this she died deeply depressed and that would have
00:41:36
been 16 years after Carrie was killed that she she lived in that deep depression oh I think also sometimes
00:41:45
with these cases her mom's grief and her mom's stress might have caused her illness
00:41:54
and I have so much respect for Carrie's brother and Carrie's friend Nicole with the amount of time and effort like
00:42:05
you've said that they try to keep this in the spotlight it's not solved you know spoiler alert it's not solved
00:42:14
and this family wants answers and of course Captain Carey's friends were deeply impacted too
00:42:21
The Citizen Newspaper says uh did an interview with her friend Nicole who says I have relived that night for
00:42:30
30 years it doesn't get easier as they say it just gets different I remember it vividly as the images flashed through my
00:42:38
head at lightning speed I see myself sitting in the basement with her on my lap standing outside and feeling the
00:42:46
snowflakes hitting my face finding her gone minutes later and walking the streets calling her name crying and
00:42:53
wanting desperately to find her in nothing walking the streets putting up posters and going door to door
00:42:59
the next day being dragged home because a body was found hearing the phone ring and my mom saying no and begin to cry so
00:43:08
that's she's kind of flashing through her memories of of that night and the following day her this is
00:43:17
her friend Nicole that we we've talked so much about already well and you also wonder as far as her friends go and her
00:43:23
family goes especially the brother like you said he's 16 but this was a party of
00:43:28
a bunch of high school kids you would think that maybe there'd there'd be somebody talking or some rumors and so
00:43:35
yeah maybe the cops are going to solve this case but maybe there's going to be some rumors and some leads that that he
00:43:44
can follow or or her friend Nicole could follow themselves the general consensus
00:43:50
in the town of Thompson as iterated by the mother of a classmate of carries was was quote that sort of thing happens in
00:43:59
the big cities but not in Thompson the town had its share of crime of course but they were generally of the drunk and
00:44:07
disorderly variety and also Petty crimes like theft burglary and of course they had some drugs and so on but not the
00:44:16
brutal beating death of a quiet 15 year old girl one of my first question is as a law enforcement if I was working with
00:44:23
cases what drugs and alcohol were at this party was it just beer was there some type of booze
00:44:32
was there heavier drugs at the at this party all reports are that they had some beer there and we need to keep in mind
00:44:41
too it's a different time it's a it's a very different location than where we live
00:44:45
there were persons that were 15 to 18 years old so the 18 year olds could legally drink well with such a short and
00:44:54
quick timeline carrying our friend Nicole go to this party with a group of teens they're at the party for a time
00:45:01
period Kerry runs into her ex-boyfriend she feels uncomfortable ask her friend Nicole if they can leave Nicole runs
00:45:09
into her ex talks with him for a little bit seems like Kerry lost her patience and decided to just head out on her own
00:45:18
she leaves the party Nicole her friend can't find her the next day the family report her missing and then the
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following Saturday they find her body such a short time period a lot of emotions and a lot of questions
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