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thank you [Music] Boardman Ohio in 1970 the suburb of Youngstown had a population of about 30 000 people
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and that population would grow to almost 40 000 by 1980. in the early 70s Boardman experienced
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what fortunately most cities and towns of its size rarely if ever experienced the homicides of three youths
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the victimology was similar three boys similar in age ranging from 12 to 15. all from similar neighborhoods and
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backgrounds and all three abducted or attacked while walking home as the sun was going down
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or shortly after all three cases are still unsolved two cases are considered to be very much
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cold cases the leads have seemingly dried up over the decades anything left open-ended it
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appears those options have only been left that way because they were looked at explored and examined
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and there either is likely one if not two results are there no evidence to back the theory
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or we just can't put someone where they would need to be to have committed the murder or murders
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however one of the cases is still very warm and as we hinted at last week one of the cases may be getting warmer
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as we speak fifteen-year-old Thomas Baird was the first of three victims he was attacked on his way home
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and later succumbed to his injuries in December of 1970 he was found by a police officer
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having been badly beaten by an unknown assailant Thomas was placed in intensive care
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where sadly he passes away Days Later never regaining consciousness [Music] police were never able to question him
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about the attack that led to his death Brad bellino age 12 was abducted on the last day of March 1972.
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and he was killed after leaving his friend's house [Music] his body was not found until April 4th
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when a refuse collector spotted his feet sticking up in the trash in a collection
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bin behind some businesses in a busy section of Boardman the third Boardman boy victim his 13
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year old David Evans who goes missing on Friday January 17 1975. all signs point toward abduction
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his hat was found trampled in the snow at an intersection in his neighborhood just blocks from his home
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his lifeless body was found near an office building his little body frozen stiff
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sadly the boy died from his diabetes he was abducted and held somewhere and denied his much needed insulin shots
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regardless of how he died or the coroner's ruling he was murdered he was abducted and then died from
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disease as his captor denied him treatment and then his body was dumped of course the good people of Boardman
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could not help but think that these three murders may be connected maybe even committed by the same person
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or persons in fact even now 50 years later the case that is still showing promise
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of likely being solved the Brad bellino case detectives have openly suggested that a break or an arrest in that case
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may lead to much needed information and one if not both of the other homicides in early February of 1975.
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just a little over a week after the Evans boy's body was found the Boardman chief of police received a
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letter mailed from the greater Youngstown area it was double stamped with the word
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important on the front of the envelope the single page handwritten letter reads to whom it may concern
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please don't let that man out of jail and Struthers as he is the one responsible for three
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boys deaths the one that was found along a street that bellino boy and Evans boy
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[Music] that 11 year old girl would have been dead by now if he had gotten away with
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it Mister as you know one makes just one wrong move and gets caught these kind of men must be kept out of
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circulation now I cannot tell you who I am as I want to keep on living someone would kill me
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but if he is found guilty I will talk to someone and tell you how I know it may even come as a shock
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and I know you won't want to believe me the letter is signed please help save the children
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this is true crime garage [Music] well it's been 50 years captain since the murder of Brad bellino and we
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discussed in the trailer the other homicides that were going on in Boardman Ohio around the same time we have three
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homicides Thomas Baird Brad bellino and then David Evans and I know there's some
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debate out there was the Evans case truly a homicide I'm giving it the old Colonel opinion here and I know that the
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captain shares my opinion in this you abduct the child and you deny him his much-needed medicine for his disease and
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then later dump the body yeah that's uh looking like a murder to me so regardless of what the coroner's
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findings were or how the case would move forward based off of the coroner's findings what we do have and we
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discussed this last week was the police saying look we have a situation with David Evans where everything points to
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an abduction so we have to investigate that abduction we have to investigate the The Dumping of of his corpse
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and so there's all kinds of charges that can go along with that and they worked I'll tell you what Captain I give Big
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Ups to the Boardman police department they worked that David Evans case very very hard they put a lot of effort into
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that David Evans case and they worked it for many years after his murder and where we have seen some
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departments say well the coroner says this was natural cause death looks like there's nothing for us to investigate
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here or we have other cases that we have to move on to Boardman still made David
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Evans case a priority even after that Coroner's report now one thing that we do need to discuss here today and one
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thing that we said we were going to get to last week and then boom quickly two episodes turn into three and then four
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because we have theories to discuss we have suspects to discuss that we weren't able to get to but the first thing we
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need to discuss the possibility that all three of these cases are connected there has been a lot of debate over that
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over the years and over the decades in Boardman Ohio we sit here and we're able to
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retroactively look back on these cases and of course we know a lot more today in some of these cases than we knew back
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in 1975 and so we're able to apply some of that information that had leaked out or made its way to the newspapers over
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the years and then apply that to what we knew back then and these cases I'm not going to lie to you Captain it's very
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difficult for me to sit here and give a strong opinion on if these cases are in fact connected or not
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if I had to guess I would probably say no that we have three separate homicide cases here that somebody else is
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responsible for each one of these and we have some information that may back up that opinion well probably the
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best thing to do is go through each case one by one yeah so we can compare how they are
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similar but also maybe the differences and I think the greatest difference that we see here is probably the first case
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compared to the second and third and that being the case of fifteen-year-old Thomas Baird so with Thomas's case what
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the police were able to tell us well after his investigation was hot and heavy but
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at some point the police start to tell us their Theory based off of information that they have collected in his case so
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his case the general story has always been that he was found by someone or found by a police officer he's kind of
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slumped over he's been beat badly I mean he's got a lot of head injuries when he
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is found and unfortunately he's unconscious right so they have to take him directly to the hospital where
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immediately he's put into intensive care he strong kid survives for several days I actually
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believe it was like 10 days maybe up to two weeks but he survives quite a long time but
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unfortunately he never regains Consciousness so the police they put this boy in the hospital in intensive
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care but they are not able to ask him any questions about who attacked you what happened to you and so they have to
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speak with his parents his family his friends and the general story that comes out at some point with the Thomas Baird
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case is that he was jumped by a group of teenagers and I'm sure you know captain
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and I have spoke to a couple different people on all three of these cases the persons that I spoke to
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what I was told Captain and I'll let you chime in and you tell me if you heard any different or any other variation but
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the general description that I have put together from several accounts was that there was some kind of fight that broke
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out at a local skating rink and Thomas is there 15 year old boy of course that's where you're going to be having a
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good time at the skating rink he's there amongst his peers and from my understanding there's some kind of fight
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or argument that breaks out at the skating rink or just outside of the skating rink to which management or
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whomever shoo the kids away send them off hey get out of here we don't want any trouble we're not going to have any
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trouble you guys in here causing all kinds of mischief and whatnot get out of here
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and somewhere along the line when he is walking home it has always been believed
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that whoever he had a beef with or whoever didn't like him for whatever reason maybe that
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person and or a group of people caught up to Thomas at some point where another fight breaks out and unfortunately this
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is the result that we have one of the best things about being part of True Crime garage is when we cover these
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cases especially when we're doing a multi-part series is to be able to be contacted by local people that know more
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about the case maybe know more about rumors and I was also lucky enough to talk to multiple local sources and to
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talk to I don't want to call them a web sleuthor because he is local to the area
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Tom Kerrigan I kind of disagree with you of where would you be when you're 15. skating rink is you're kind of done with
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the skating rink by age 15. but the the local rumor was that there was there wasn't a scuffle between Thomas and and
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multiple kids but one kid and the Rumor was always that this kid was about 18 which at 15
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is kind of on them older end of somebody that would be at the skating rink 18 is definitely older so I don't know
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if that individual worked there or had some connection to the skating rink but like you said
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same type of rumor well then Thomas goes walking home and this individual tracks
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them down so it then becomes was it was he beat up by a group of people or was it just one individual yes exactly and
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that's exactly very similar to the rumor that I had always heard that it was either one person or some other people
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caught up with him based off of whatever went down at the skating rink right uh shortly before that and so the
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reports I found was he was found about 10 p.m so well after dark I don't know what time they were all shoot away or
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whatever the the skating rink let out that night but um yeah the reports I have show that he was found about 10 p.m
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that night think about that scenario now going forward we covered the bellino case in the Evans case really well and
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pretty thorough as much as you can cover in about an hour or two for those two cases last week and let's do a little
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comparison of what we've just said with the beard case and cross check that with
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Bolino and Evans I think what everybody is going to immediately notice is a very
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huge discrepancy between MO in The Baird case compared to Bolino and Evans what I see with bellino
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is a case where he very likely may have willingly got into the wrong person's vehicle or he was snatched on the side
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of the road as he's walking home from his best friend Don templeman's house and then you go a few years later to the
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David Evans case to me that screams abduction because we have his father we have his coach we have the teachers at
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school we have his friends kids that knew him that are saying No this kid would not have gotten into anyone's car
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willingly especially a stranger so much so to the point saying that they would be shocked if he would even be willing
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to walk up to the driver's side window to offer directions or help or anything like that and then we also have to
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factor in too he's actually the Evans family was actually from New York and had moved to Boardman Ohio I believe
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about two years maybe two and a half years before David Evans death and so we talk about hey can you offer me
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directions this is a younger kid 13 he probably may not know or be able to give too much in the way of directions the
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other thing too that I think we always need to remind our small children of is that adults do not need help from
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small children and I know David was a little older he was 13. but again we have a situation where everybody is
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telling us everybody says no this kid he was standoffish he was more likely to sit back and assess the situation he
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wasn't a go-getter he wasn't a risk taker he would have likely not have gotten into anyone's vehicle and then
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compound that with the idea that well his mother at 11 30 p.m that night remember his
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father saw him around 6 30 that night as he was leaving to go to his night class
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at Youngstown State we have the mother who is then out on foot searching for her son and after he's reported missing
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to the police she then quickly finds his hat that he was wearing trampled in the
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snow near the same intersection where his father last seen him so we have a situation here where it looks to me like
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David Evans was snatched off of the street and probably fairly quickly after he was last seen by his father talking
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to his father that night now again 6 30 January in Ohio it's going to be dark or
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getting dark around that time so I see a situation here could they all be connected there's a possibility right
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there's always a possibility until they are solved but here we have a situation where it looks like there is a
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perpetrator or perpetrators of The Bard case I'm sorry of The Baird case and there were probably a person or
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persons closer to Thomas's age and it was about something completely different with Bellino's case whether he
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gets into a vehicle willingly or if he's abducted it doesn't matter we know the way that he's found in that dumpster
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with the belt still wrapped around his neck and pulled tightly his I mean his trousers are down around his ankles when
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he's found that's a very much different Mo in death and very much committed by a
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different person then the beard case right and and just looking at the bare case initially
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he's not found in an area that somebody was trying to conceal the body no and and the other two cases were so
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initially when we looked at this I went okay it looks like uh Thomas was jumped on the way home probably to do with some
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kind of altercation at the skating rink or there was just groups of older kids that would you know drive around and and
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sometimes have altercations so it could have everything to do with the confrontation
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at the skating rink or could be simply some older kids saw him uh driving home and or walking home and and
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decided to rough him up and it and it got out of hand so initially I thought well the Thomas case is separate from
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the two and it seems like in Brad's case in David's case they were both abducted
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and and and possibly in another location for a time period before their bodies were
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dumped yes because it's several days before either boy is recovered either of their bodies are recovered in that
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situation and as we said with Baird he's located there that night and as you pointed out no one's attempting to
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conceal his body in fact probably his killer or Killers believe that he would survive that attack when
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they left him there that night now let's take this a step further okay so Baird looks completely different than
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the other two Bellino's case looks to me like a sadistic child rapist killer kind of situation for Bolino David Evans
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is really complicated because while I firmly believe that he was abducted and it sounds like
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a lot of the guys working law enforcement a lot of the men and women working in law enforcement and Boardman
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at the time firmly believe that as well his case is very difficult because he's not sexually assaulted like bellino was
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he dies from his diabetes from not getting his insulin shot and it's really difficult to sit here
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and say what would have happened had he not had the diabetes right because we can't sit here and go
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well it would have been exactly like Brad Bellino's case he would have been choked
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and killed and then dumped somewhere we can't say that we don't know that we there there's a chance that his abductor
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for whatever reason abducted him and planned on releasing him at some point never planned or never wanted to kill
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the kid and so there it gets very difficult to say if the bellino in the Evans case is connected or in fact how
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similar they just may be now my issue with the bellino case is yeah he's found in this dumpster he
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definitely was strangled but there's no other bruising really on his body which is normally
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if somebody's you know beaten and tortured and then choked to death you're gonna
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see a lot of bruising right and I don't think that he was tortured there I mean well let's not get into the debate of
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what torture is I mean obviously his and this is hard to say his last minutes on this planet were not good ones at all
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um but with David Evans we see he has injuries to suggest that there may have been some
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kind of scuffle that he was in and I think that maybe that took place trying to get him into a vehicle we have some
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other injuries to David Evans but we know that some of those occurred after his actual death and I believe that the
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broken wrist and the the hole that was found in his back those were made by happenstance by
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somebody moving trying to move and conceal his body after he already had passed yeah and so like you're saying
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with with evans's case look you have bruising because you are duh you abducted the kid there's bruising
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because there was some kind of fight there was bruising because there was some kind of abuse
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and then he dies so it doesn't matter that he died because he needed his insulin you're the reason that he's dead
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you are now a murderer correct correct it to me denying somebody their their life-saving medicine
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is the same as denying them air right especially when we're talking about children here so
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my opinion is Captain that these three are probably not connected if we do have any connection it's probably between the
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bellino case and the David Evans case now going back to the opinion of the letter writer that we referenced in this
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week's trailer the person that says to whom it may concern please don't let that man out of jail in Struthers as he
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is the one responsible for three boys deaths the one that was found along a street that could
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describe Thomas Baird the one that was found along the street right could describe Thomas Baird the unfortunate
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thing for us reviewing this letter is we're not certain that that's who the writer was actually talking about or
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referencing the letter goes on to say the bellino boy and Evans boy so that's pretty clear that 11 year old girl would
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have been dead by now if he had gotten away with it Mr as you know one makes just one wrong move and gets caught
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these kind of men must be kept out of circulation now I cannot tell you who I am as I want to keep on living someone
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would kill me but if he is found guilty I will talk to someone and I will tell you how I know it may even come as a
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shock and I know you won't want to believe me again it's an anonymous letter signed please help save the
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children you know I know in the Bolino case and in the Evans case there were a lot of
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people in the community trying to get involved in these cases and trying to help they were phoning in possible tips
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anything that they thought was weird anything they thought they saw may have heard rumors that they had heard a lot
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of times they were phoning in hey this dude he's strange why don't you go look at him like with no other information
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other than this guy's a weirdo I would take a look at him based off of this information what we're able to find here
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and I'm not going to disclose anybody's name but the 11 year old girl would have been
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dead by now if he had gotten away with it okay so what we know happened here in this case is that the Struthers Police
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Department they did have somebody locked up for the what they have listed as the
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subject tried to attack an 11 year old girl in Struthers Ohio and the individual that they locked up was a
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Caucasian male from Struthers Ohio age he was like 25 going on 26 at the time driving a white or cream-colored 1966
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Buick interesting thing here Captain was the damaged trunk of his vehicle the police noted that it will not close and
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we'll continue to look into this individual and see what came of this attack on the 11 year old but for now I
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don't know that this Anonymous letter directly links this guy to one if not any of the murders because again review
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viewing this letter that was sent we don't know who sent it what information they were basing their findings off of
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and then on top of that if in fact they are referencing the Thomas Baird case as one of the three
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being connected well we have information that suggests otherwise that the bear case isn't connected to the other two
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whether the other two are connected or not and so they're on its face it doesn't seem to hold a lot of value this
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letter or this information if you know that these cases are in fact not connected sounds like to me a local guy
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that maybe heard some rumors or maybe is just speculating on his own but again the letter gives no evidence to prove
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that these three murders were connected foreign [Music] we are back cheers mate tall cans in the air hopefully it's
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warming up where you are here it's raining and cold why we choose to live in Columbus to
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this day I will never know hey hey one day we might move we'll have to move together I love Columbus I love it very
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much but uh yes the the weather is a pisser sometimes that's about as polite as I can be about
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it this this week as it's rained every single day it feels like now Captain we tend to be our biggest critics right I
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don't know that everybody out there in listener land will agree with that but we know who we are I know who you are
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we're fools you're trying to figure out who I am uh talk hands in the air but um
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we are fools Captain is right uh I'm full number one and he is working to get to be fool number two I'm actually full
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number three there's I know there's a weird guy in the middle Carlos Carlos and he won't show up we can't get him to
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get back to the garage he's number two um but one of these one of the things that I
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face with our little garage show here is you know we spend all week pouring through the information tearing through
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whatever we can find and get our hands on get our ears on get the eyeballs working on
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and then we have to sit down in the garage together and hit the record button and then once we hit stop well it's
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usually a drive home and on the drive home it's often it's going hey that was really good I'm excited about this case
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I was excited about it when we went into it I love the research process I loved delivering it to the listeners packaging
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it up and sending it out to the world then there's other times where you go you know I'm disappointed in myself I
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thought I would have been better I thought that uh I went into this today into the recording thinking that it
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would be better and in all reality my thoughts and opinions on how we did they don't mean squat it only matters
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what the listeners think and I often find that sometimes my opinion of the show may be different
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than theirs and sometimes they they have much better feelings about the package that we put out and sent out to the
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world and then there's other times I think man we nailed it that was a really good True Crime podcast and then I'm I'm
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quickly deflated uh when told otherwise but last week when we did the Boardman case we didn't know going into it that
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it would expand to additional episodes no we got so wrapped up in discussing some of the contradictions and some of
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the information and again when you have three cases there's a lot to talk about and so it quickly went from two episodes
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to what will be three and four one way that I kind of judge on how we did because I you know I don't have a
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hundred listeners standing there going great job Nick great job Colonel please come back next week no we don't we don't
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have that but what we do have is our blog on truecrime garage.com and usually I feel like we've done a great job when
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I see boom there's a bunch of people going to the blog and they're either asking questions or they're putting out
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some other information maybe that they have found on these same cases or they're criticizing our pronunciation
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and my face yes uh it comes under under question a lot that's I'm wearing a mask
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today but um so I wanted to take this opportunity because we don't do a four-part series
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every week and here we had a lot of good information and even better questions that were put on the blog and at some
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point I'm reviewing them and I'm like all right I'll answer this I answer that and then I thought you know I can answer
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them right here in the garage because a lot of these require a discussion and not just a one sentence answer so I'm
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going to read a couple of our questions from our blog all right let's get into it all right I'm gonna I'm Gonna Leave
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everybody Anonymous but if you want to find out who wrote These you can simply go to our website and you'll see the
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person's name or the name that they came up with when they typed in that question
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Captain flugerville here's the first one according to the autopsy Brad's last meal was chicken and pineapple which is
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what he ate at the templeman's on Friday at 7 30 PM it takes somewhere between two to four hours for digestion to empty
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the stomach that makes me wonder where the Saturday at 9 00 pm time of death came from and
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then I'm going to take this one step further here Captain before we give an answer and some more information here
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because another person posted a very similar question this is exactly what I was thinking he
00:35:33
was killed on the night he went missing if he were killed a whole day later then
00:35:38
the autopsy would have difficulty determining his last meal it would be digested I think our narrator made a
00:35:46
mistake okay clearly it couldn't be talking about me making a steak mistake yeah that's probably me did somebody say
00:35:51
steak um no this is both of these are very good questions and I'm glad that somebody pointed out maybe the narrator
00:35:59
made a mistake sometimes things Gets Lost in Translation right and we find that that happens a lot with with our
00:36:07
shows we're delivering information to you sometimes your brain is not so busy but your hands are busy or you're doing
00:36:14
other things we know a lot of people like to listen at work or on their commute and so you're not able to really
00:36:21
dial in at 100 sometimes it's about 95.96 and our listeners are very smart so let's address this meal
00:36:32
against the idea that he was killed the next day so where this information comes
00:36:38
from is actually two different sources first we have the autopsy report now unfortunately the information I have the
00:36:45
coroners postmortem report is only four pages long now depending on jurisdiction
00:36:51
depending on what county you are in I don't know whether to say that that's a short report or a long report because
00:36:58
Captain we've been doing this a long time depending on what county if we can get an autopsy report it's all over the
00:37:05
shop sometimes you're getting a report I've seen them as short as two pages I've seen them as long as 29 or 30 pages
00:37:12
and it doesn't always make any Rhyme or Reason Why some are doing much longer reports than others there's there
00:37:18
there's not always it's not like in one case we only have two pages of information to report and in others we
00:37:24
have 29 no it's it's similar it's just how they conduct their paperwork so this one's only four
00:37:30
pages long now there's always been a little bit of a question of a toxicology report in the Bolino case and Captain
00:37:37
you brought up the idea of well Bolino while it appears to be like a sadistic murder where he was choked with this
00:37:45
belt and we know he was sexually assaulted he doesn't really have any other bruising or or much in the way of
00:37:52
defensive wounds on his person I bring up the toxicology report because there has been some question you know
00:37:59
maybe he was sedated somehow maybe he he took something or ingested something that somebody gave him and he wasn't in
00:38:08
a state of fighting back also without going into any detail at all because I'm not going to
00:38:15
dance in the sickness too long based off of how he's found you can also make some assumptions he was not in a
00:38:24
position to be defending himself greatly at the time unfortunately now the information I have is that the time of
00:38:31
death was approximately 9 pm Saturday April 1st 1972. so this would be a full 24 hours after he was last
00:38:42
seen by Don templeman when he left Don's house on foot and we can assume that he
00:38:48
was attacked or abducted by 9 pm that Friday night because he never makes it home now the information about the last
00:38:57
meal the meal that was found in him the chicken and pineapple that information actually does not come from the corner
00:39:05
that information was from an interview that one of the detectives did years later and the detective is referencing
00:39:12
that oh we don't believe any of the sightings of Brad the unconfirmed sightings of Brad on
00:39:19
that Saturday because we have information that says that his last meal was the meal that he consumed
00:39:25
that Friday so we have a difference of opinion here between the coroner who's saying in their paperwork
00:39:32
time of death 9 pm on Saturday to what the detective is saying later in an interview that the last meal was what he
00:39:41
ate at the templeman's which probably was not at 7 30 because we know that the mom was out and the dad was sick in bed
00:39:46
but regardless it's interesting we got listeners saying look it would have taken somewhere between two to four
00:39:52
hours for digestion to empty the stomach makes me question the coroner's finding
00:39:57
of the Saturday 9 pm time of death I agree with the listeners here it makes me question it too if in fact the
00:40:06
chicken and pineapple is true because I don't have that in in my paperwork I've not seen it in writing
00:40:12
anywhere I can also assume one thing though too captain that there's probably some additional pages of this autopsy
00:40:18
report maybe not this exact same report maybe there was a toxicology later along
00:40:23
with some of other information maybe that information that the detective is referencing is from that report I've not
00:40:30
seen it so all I can tell you is what the coroner's saying and then what the detective is later saying so they are
00:40:35
two different sources and they seem to have somewhat of a difference of opinion now the reason why we made sure to
00:40:41
include that is that it was intriguing because there were several people that said that they saw Brad bellino on that
00:40:47
Saturday yeah and now we look back and we're getting other information that probably suggests that no they were just
00:40:54
trying to be helpful citizens they probably saw a boy that looked similar to Brad bellino they wanted to help
00:41:01
they're trying to provide information unfortunately this boy was either being held captive at that time time or as
00:41:10
statistics would tell us might already be dead right especially when we have a stranger
00:41:16
on Stranger abduction and it being a youth that's abducted if he was abducted correct that we have a situation where
00:41:26
he was you know oftentimes the statistics will say that they are only alive for a short period of time after
00:41:34
the abduction takes place based on the way that he's found again he may have gotten into a vehicle
00:41:41
willingly or he may have been snatched off the street based off of the sexual assault the way that the murder took
00:41:47
place the belt the way that he's dumped at some point whether he got in that vehicle willingly or not at some point
00:41:54
he's abducted it's one of those cases where both uh both can't scientifically be true
00:42:02
but you also wonder what are the added factors in the added hurdles that come with finding the body not until April
00:42:08
4th when we know that he was last seen on May 31st I think any time that the body is found a significant amount of
00:42:18
time afterwards it makes the coroner's job more difficult I also think that we should Implement A system that I've been
00:42:25
trying to get past through the the house and the in the Senate I created a machine to test how farmy you're feeling
00:42:36
and so is this coroner just making a mistake because again corner is human he could just be making a mistake maybe he
00:42:43
meant Friday at 9 00 pm this one is very human I think he actually got into some trouble years
00:42:50
later I think it was some some minor trouble but uh I don't think he was fully on the up and up 100 of the time
00:42:57
when I quit again I questioned this report because of the 9 pm because the 9 p.m death makes sense on when he
00:43:06
laughed when uh when Bradley left and when he would possibly if he was abducted I I don't even know if he's abducted we
00:43:15
have no eyewitnesses that say he was abducted from some white van the van or that he got into some car
00:43:25
the sources that I was talking to in the last week and that's another thing that
00:43:30
I love about doing a four-parter or a multi-parter is the time period in between the shows that we don't have
00:43:37
just seven days to come up with as much information and talk to as many people as we can we have
00:43:44
double that length a lot of people said in that area in that neighborhood there was a clubhouse
00:43:51
slash Treehouse slash Fort whatever you want to call it that was known to where kids would go
00:43:58
experiment with things sexually possibly smoke some weed smoke some cigarettes maybe drink some booze
00:44:05
and there's a lot of locals that believe you know based on his injuries and even some
00:44:15
you know ex-law enforcement that have said when you consider all the evidence and consider that the location on which
00:44:25
he would be walking home would put him in the vicinity of this tree house is it possible that he stopped by there
00:44:34
to see what was going on we've seen this in other cases where older teens or older men will pay
00:44:42
for sexual favors and so there's a lot of a lot of people locally and and like I said ex-law
00:44:50
enforcement that that lean towards the idea that this was um you know a sexual act that
00:44:58
became an accident an accidental death now my problem with the way they worded it to me and the way I heard it was that
00:45:06
this was that was consensual and like we said Bellino's 12 years old you can't consent to this
00:45:13
this was this was a rape and this was a murder but but I think like I said it possibly was uh accidental murder it's
00:45:22
an interesting angle again it's always been reported that it was a sexual assault which is obviously very
00:45:29
different than than that and again the a lot of these are it's you know speculation it's conjecture it's things
00:45:36
that we will not know until the person responsible is found right well my other problem with the coroner report is we
00:45:45
have this strangulation with this belt and then they're claiming that there's no other bruising on the body we just
00:45:52
have to take their word for that to me those rumors and the fact that there is no
00:45:58
bruising on his body other than this stringulation points to that rumor makes sense to me
00:46:05
but again I don't know how accurate that this corner report is and again I'm going to give him the benefit of Doubt
00:46:12
and because of the time period that elapsed maybe his information is just a little
00:46:16
wrong and His science is a little bit wrong again early 70s well and the the other fact too is we have four pages of
00:46:23
a report they're very well could they're not numbered you know this is four of seven or this is four or four
00:46:30
we have four pages of a report there may be additional information that we just are not privy to all right here's
00:46:37
another question here Captain great episode again guys we'd love to hear that I was wondering the same thing as
00:46:44
the person above about Brad's time of death also what was the deal with Brad's brother
00:46:50
phoning the templemans after 10 pm on Friday this was after Don was in bed and then the templeman's driving Brad's
00:46:57
route to try to find him did both households just give up and go to bed after that I'm sorry if I missed
00:47:03
something please do not apologize we merci for listening as we like to say but um no so this is actually part of
00:47:12
the conflict right we have Don templeman Brad bolino's best friend says I kind of remember it differently
00:47:22
right the bellino family is saying due to circumstances our busy household mom is out of town working dad stayed out
00:47:30
kind of partying the night before and slept in late and either dad wakes up according to the according to the Bolino
00:47:38
coroners report dad wakes up discovers that Brad is not home it's news to him and then he tries to find and locate his
00:47:46
son eventually calling the police and filing a missing persons report that taking place on Saturday Don templeman
00:47:54
his best friend in an interview that took place decades after the homicide says no I remember it differently I
00:48:03
believe I was in bed I had already gone to sleep I think I went to bed around 10 p.m at some point
00:48:10
Brad's brother calls and says hey you know Brad never came home to which I believe it was Dawn's mom answered the
00:48:19
phone for that call according to Don's story and he says that either him and his father I'm guessing him and his
00:48:25
mother because the father was sick in bed they go out and they drive the route they don't see anything unusual they
00:48:31
come back this is one of those difficult things that it's tough to say I want to
00:48:35
believe Don I I believe that Don believes what he is telling us I don't believe that he's giving us a lie or
00:48:42
anything like that I I think that he lost a part of himself when he lost his best friend all those years ago and it
00:48:50
may be a situation where he's misremembering yeah or both stories are true you could you could have a situation
00:48:57
where you know Brad's brother calls because he's concerned hey you know my parents
00:49:03
told me my brother's supposed to be home he's not home I'll just give a call real
00:49:08
quick hey as my brother left oh he already left okay well maybe he'll turn up and because he's the older brother he
00:49:16
just goes about his business doesn't doesn't check in again and it's not until the morning where the
00:49:22
Dad's going wait a second did he just never come home right and it's it's I think the part in the
00:49:29
question that we have to really kind of clarify is it sounds to me though based off of all all the information we've
00:49:36
seen here captain that yes you might be right it could both be true there's there's a chance of that the templements
00:49:44
could have went out and briefly looked for Brad that night didn't find him return home and go to bed for whatever
00:49:49
reason but it's always been the Bolino family story that they were either not aware that Brad was missing until the
00:49:56
following day or they didn't actively search for him yeah but maybe Brad's brother never told his parents no that's
00:50:03
what I'm saying that it's we're basing this off of everything that we've seen the bolinos are saying we were not aware
00:50:09
that our son was missing until sometime before noon on Saturday right and again you're right the brother could have
00:50:16
called but Mom and Dad didn't know that he was missing until that Saturday that's something again we just will not
00:50:23
know we will not know what is the actual truth and then looking back on it it might not really matter but if you're
00:50:31
going to call in a question and be skeptical of the people closest to the victim then it then it probably does
00:50:37
matter quite a bit next question here Captain we have is my parents were good friends of Brad Bellino's parents sadly
00:50:45
both have passed away before ever seeing their son's case solved they lost touch
00:50:49
during the 80s and didn't see each other as often also I heard he meaning Brad was on his bike when he went missing I
00:50:59
don't recall if it was recovered I was too young to remember or know very much but the facts I've shared I believe to
00:51:07
be true and the writer goes on to say last Applewood acres is around two to three miles from behind Boardman Plaza
00:51:16
where Brad was found the perpetrators would need a vehicle for sure yes so uh we we had said that too that
00:51:25
we believe that there's a vehicle involved in this situation we believe that it would be an additional crime
00:51:30
scene to what we already discussed because of the distance between of again we don't know where he was taken from or
00:51:37
where he got into a vehicle or where he went uh between leaving Dons and the time that he is killed but as far as the
00:51:47
bicycle goes I had heard that rumor too okay I had heard that rumor too but I'd never seen it in print
00:51:54
and why is that important because we have very quickly what we said was a scary fact in the case that after Brad
00:52:05
bolino's body is found his parents come out immediately to the newspapers and to
00:52:10
the police and they're saying you know our son unfortunately had hitchhiked in the past and we warned him
00:52:18
about getting into Vehicles especially with strange people we told him not to hitchhike and then we have Don templeman
00:52:25
his best friend who says yes all of us kids hitchhiked back then he said myself included he said but Brad seemed to do
00:52:34
it more often than other kids our age and so now let's go back and go okay well was there a bike because that is a
00:52:44
key piece of information in my my opinion because if there was a bike there would a couple things would have
00:52:51
to happen one I think he would be less likely to hitchhike right he's got a bike to deal with right two
00:52:58
if he did hitchhike or he was abducted well where's the bike and we know his parents regardless of
00:53:06
what story We Believe maybe they're both true people were out searching for him before
00:53:11
the police were called the police never mention a bike they never mentioned finding a bike not being
00:53:17
able to find a bike his parents never mention a bike and furthermore they also tell the paper not just was he
00:53:27
known to hitchhike but when he arrived at Don templeman's house and this is based off of the templeman's information
00:53:32
in Braden Brad bolino's family's information they say that he arrived at the templeman house around 12 30. that
00:53:42
Friday to hang out with his buddy and they specifically say in that article that he either walked or
00:53:49
hitchhiked to get to the templements right then we know that they hang out they play basketball they're up in the
00:53:54
attic for a while they're having a good time and at some point Brad Bolino has to go home and so unless he had a bike
00:54:00
there with him previously from another hangout session yeah or or he borrowed Dons which for the last 27 years Don has
00:54:08
never mentioned that his friend borrowed a bike correct so while we've heard that
00:54:13
same rumor and it's an interesting one to ponder and it was one that I really tried to get to the bottom of the best
00:54:18
we can say is that the templemans and bellinos based off of what they said to the papers and to the police at the time
00:54:25
they give all indication that Brad arrived at the templeman's that day before he went missing later that night
00:54:33
on foot and if anybody wants to go back and reference what we were just talking about with the hitchhiking you can find
00:54:40
that information in the Youngstown Vindicator it was an article from April 5th 1972.
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