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foreign [Applause] [Music] my name is Sergeant Jeremy pierce the public information officer with Indiana
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State Police out of the Lafayette post while investigating the murders of Abigail Williams in Liberty German
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detectives with the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and the Indiana State Police have uncovered an online profile
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named Anthony Schatz this profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including but not
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limited to Snapchat and Instagram the fictitious Anthony shots profile used images of a known male model and
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portrayed himself as being extremely wealthy and owning numerous sports cars the creator of the fictitious profile
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used this information while communicating with juvenile females to solicit nude images
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obtain their address and attempt to meet with them pictured on your screen you'll see
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images of the known male model and the images of the fictitious profile sent to the underage females
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we have already identified the male in these images that were used by Anthony Schatz the mail in the photo is not the
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person of interest in the investigation detectives are seeking information about
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the person who created the Anthony shots profile investigators would like any individual
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who communicated met or attempted to meet the Anthony shots profile to contact law enforcement by utilizing the
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tip email Abby and Libby tip at CA c-o-s-h-r-f.com please provide as much information as you possibly can for
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example when you communicate with Anthony Schatz how you communicated with the profile what social media
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applications the account used and if Anthony Schatz attempted to meet you or obtain your address if you have saved
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images or conversations with Anthony shots profile please attach them to your email again if you have any information
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please contact law enforcement by utilizing the tip email Abby and Libby tip at cacos.com thank you
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foreign [Music] [Applause] on February 13 2017 13 year old Abby Williams and 14 year old Libby German disappeared in
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Delphi Indiana and this has now become an incredibly Infamous case with news spreading across the nation almost
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immediately back in 2017. unfortunately the next day the bodies of both girls were discovered the following day on
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February 15 2017 a cell phone image was released to the public that image contained a person that we have been
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referring to as BG or Bridge Guy this is because this is the suspect or the killer of the girls who was spotted on
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the bridge and captured on Libby German's phone that image again was released to the public on the 15th the
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week later audio was released saying down the hill we can hear the suspect mixing down the hill which sounds like
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he's directing the girls away from the Monon High Bridge and to where they will eventually be killed on July 17 2017 a
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sketch was released and then in April of 2019 a new sketch an additional audio was released the new sketch looked to be
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similar to the first sketch that was released may have been of a different person but appeared to be younger at the
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very least and the additional audio that we hear is saying guys down the hill again almost sounding like the killer
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the abductor was instructing both of the girls starting in 2017 when we had the double homicide law enforcement was
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asking anyone with any information at all to send tips to Abby and Libby tip at caco
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shrf.com and they were requesting that you include the following information the suspect's name date of birth or
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approximate age physical description including height weight hair color and eye color address or location including
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City vehicle information including year make model and color vehicle specific reason for your tip why could they be
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the suspect motivation for the crime and connection to Delphi Indiana and of course they were reminding the public
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that individuals don't need to have all of those pieces to send a tip but they do ask to include as many details as
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possible last week the Indiana State Police sent out the request for additional information that you heard at
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the top of this show this time they are asking for anyone that has any information in regards to
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an online name a user profile on social media accounts going by the name of Anthony underscore shots and with this
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case being so highly publicized this is really the first big information since the press conference in 2019. we have a
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situation Captain where we have a public that is has a strong desire to help in some way help this community try to heal
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bring some justice to the situation for both of our victims Libby and Abby and their families and so we have a public
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that feels like it's starved for information give us some information let us help us to help you is kind of the
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old expression there right hear what's interesting with the new information that comes out December 7th of this year
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just last week is we are told at the early part of that request by ISP Indiana State Police that
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while investigating the murders of Abigail Williams in Liberty German detectives with the Carroll County
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Sheriff's department and the Indiana State Police uncovered an online profile named Anthony underscore shots this
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profile was being used from 2016 to 2017 on social media applications including but not limited to Snapchat and
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Instagram and then later they say detectives are seeking information about the person who created the Anthony
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underscore shots profile investigators urge any individual who communicated with met or attempted to meet the
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Anthony shots profiler to contact law enforcement by utilizing the tip email and telephone number that is used in the
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Delphi double homicide case The Abbey and Libby tip at caco shrf.com and then the number is
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765-822-3535 that's the phone tip the really interesting Parts here to the general public are going to be the the
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start of that request book ended by the end of it right so at the bookends we have while investigating the double
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homicide right this is some information that we came into they're of course going to be vague and unclear of how
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they came into this information or how it's it's involved in their homicide investigation and then at the other end
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they're saying you know what we need more information about Anthony shots and when you send us that information here
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is the vehicle here is the avenue to giving us that information and that's going to be 3 through the same ways that
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we are requesting tips in the double homicide which makes you believe that they're connected but also your ears
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perk up when you hear online profile not limited to Snapchat and Instagram because the girls were on the bridge
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they took pictures on Snapchat that's one of the ways that their friends and family were able to locate them this
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case has had many titles Abby and Libby's case the Delphi murders the Snapchat murders yes and unfortunately
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this these double homicides took place in February of 2017 and we covered I believe it was early May of 2017 was the
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first time we discussed it here in the garage and at that time I mean you you sit back and you look and you go okay
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well the information we have today it doesn't all make sense there's a lot of blanks to fill in there's a lot of dots
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to be connected we don't know what exactly is connected to the case and what is not connected to Libby and
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Abby's case right so you sit here and go well this situation seems a little confusing and we don't seem to have a
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whole lot of information well guess what hop in the DeLorean and go back to May of 2017 and see what kind of information
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you had and uh we had to do a show on the case because we were both really absorbed by the thing we were really
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eyeballs deep in this thing for weeks and we just said look we understand there's not a lot here
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not a lot to chew on but also maybe we can help shine some light and get some information coming in and so there was a
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lot of speculation offered up by us and we pulled in speculation that we were seeing on the internet and chat rooms
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and Reddit and everywhere else websleuths wherever we could find different speculation and some of it you
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know probably more on point than others but again at the time we didn't know much and we still don't know a whole lot
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so we won't know what was spot on till they get this thing solved in the last four years this case has probably been
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investigated more times by armed chair detectives in Webster's than any other case and it's all over the place on
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podcast I mean this I was a little surprised to see the number of people and podcasts that hit this update
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with the quickness last week right and so here in the garage we had our case that we were talking about last week and
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this was really earth-shattering stuff to us because I mean it's just kind of stunning it stops you in your tracks and
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you go okay this seems to be something new but I don't know really what to make of it and I'm a little confused and a
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little foggy on how it's tied in or even if it is tied into Libby and Abby's case
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well like you said it's the same tip line but they're not coming out and saying that this person is a suspect in
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the murders of Abby and Libby it seems that that's what they're implying but they're not coming out and directly
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saying that and then with the news coverage of this case being ramped up not just by podcasts but people on
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YouTube creators on YouTube and the media in general and then you have local news coming out just the next day saying
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well we know who Anthony shots is or at least we know who created the account and they knew that back in 2017. well
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I'm glad that you brought up the Snapchat killer or whatever that moniker was that was floating around in 2017
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because I've been watching a lot of news Clips listening to a lot of different people reading a lot of stuff over the
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course of the last I mean hyper hyper into it for the last 72 hours right but incredible amount of stuff that you can
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find on the internet and elsewhere late last week one thing that I got a little annoyed with was seeing and
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reading multiple sources saying you know we when we were looking into this last year or when we were talking
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to the locals a couple years ago we kept hearing these rumors of there's some kind of connection to the internet or
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connection to social media Snapchat referenced and we didn't feel that we should discuss that or we didn't feel
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that it was appropriate or we were asked not to mention that or didn't know if it
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was credible right I just don't really understand why anybody felt like they were to be sitting on that information
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this those were rumors that were going on within weeks of the homicide not only is this case connected to Snapchat
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because the girls were on Snapchat taking photos of themselves at the bridge but you had an individual that came
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forward that's claimed that he knew one of the girls was talking to an older individual online right and I tell you
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what the situation is yes you could see that that could be plausible that that that might even be likely it's difficult
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to say I feel like with this new information that comes out it it either suggests that that's far more likely
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than we once thought or this is a whole different a whole different monster into itself in
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regards to the tips you know with requesting tip information from the public and and kudos to you public and
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armchair sluice and internet sluice out there there's been no shortage of information that has been presented to
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ISP and the Carroll County Sheriff's Office and the FBI how much of it is actually good information probably not
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very much at all would be my speculation you can't you know you can't smack somebody on on the hand for trying to
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help and so this is the situation that we find ourselves in once again we are asked to give more help and if anybody
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knows anything let's report it and if anybody has any information specifically about Anthony shots any kind of online
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profile social media profile Anthony shots they want to hear from you now one thing that I think is a little
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bit of a a misstep here in this investigation and a misstep in the request for information from the public
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that I think that they really kind of left out in the 2017 request for information
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I want to start off by giving them some praise here because I think it's smart and valuable to tell the public
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and remind them that we are looking for specific information right name of the individual that you're reporting if you
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have a date of birth even if you can just tell us a year that he was born or approximate age
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physical description where the person may live or known location especially at the time or a
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Time Around The Murders vehicle information specific reason why you are giving the tip right why do you suspect
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this person and what would be their motivation for committing such a heinous crime their connection to the area
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Delphi Indiana that's not you know what 2 900 people live there approximately what would be this person's connection
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to the monin High Bridge or the trail system or Delphi itself or even Carroll County
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well one of the things I took notice of right away is that they had Jeremy Piers
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asking for this information Sergeant Jeremy Pierce why didn't they have to blessing bee or Carter asked this
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information to law enforcement agents that anybody fall in this case could identify
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those guys yeah you're right Captain we have superintendent of the Indiana State
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Police Douglas Carter and the Carroll County Sheriff toblesenby who have kind of become the face
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of this investigation or the faces of this investigation I think I have that answer but I want to kind of finish what
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I was talking about in regards to this tip and and where I think there was a bit of a misstep because right I want to
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give them praise because I think giving the public what they consider to be reminding them
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we want specific information here and almost giving the public a template this is what we're looking for can you fill
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out as much of this template as possible when submitting your tip this will be most helpful to us the thing that I
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think they missed here was what the FBI was telling us in the early stages of the investigation because remember I
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know it was your feeling it was my feeling and I think it was the feeling of everyone in Delphi and across this
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greatest of Nations that we thought that an arrest was coming really quickly when
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this case broke and we had the FBI up front and center telling us the public do you know somebody
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that is behaving differently today than they were behaving on February 12th or February 13th of 2017. has this person
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changed have is their personality different are they angry or sad or suicidal are they not speaking to anyone
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right or have they developed a drinking issue or a drug issue appearance change their appearance and the one I think
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that I think is the most important thing that the FBI was asking us was we want to hear from you if you know somebody
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That was supposed to be somewhere on February 13th and didn't show up maybe they called off work maybe they had a
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doctor's appointment that they missed or maybe they told you that they were going
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to the dentist but later you found out they never did or never even had an appointment maybe they told you they
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were going out of town for work was there somebody that you knew that left abruptly on the 14th or the 15th of
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February that's one thing that I think is is needs to be thrown out there as a reminder to the public and I think they
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should attach that to their little template that they've given us now I know that I'm saying that and we're
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discussing this case and it's almost five years later so who knows but hold on a second they're also not telling us
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that this guy is even connected to the Delphi murders could you add that to what they're
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already telling us last week I I think one of the things that they did which was a good thing even though media the
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next day said hey we we know who this individual is or at least who we think created this account I thought one of
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the things they did well is we're looking for anybody who who has had contact with this profile and did they
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try to meet up with you do you know any because it could be multiple people that
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use that profile right but to answer your first question here we have uh Sheriff Tobe lessenby told the Carroll
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County comment on Tuesday that he would not deviate from the press release information this
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is the request from the Indiana State Police he said the reason the press release came from the Indiana State
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Police to answer your question why it didn't come from toblesenby and the sheriff's
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department he says it's simply because that that agency has the most media resources available in the state of
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Indiana to blessing be denied that the case is now an Indiana State Police case he said it continues to be a
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multi-agency case in Carroll County he said the information requested in the press release could be information that
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would help to potentially move forward with the investigation and he's referencing Libyan Abby's case right in
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regard to Sergeant Jeremy Pierce delivering this message to the public I think that part of it's
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pretty simple you know we have the words from tobles and be to give his response
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or his answer to why it didn't come from him right but the Indiana State Police has always kind of been the
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the focal point right Doug Carter has always kind of been the the face and the voice that you think of when you think
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of law enforcement being involved in this case and so as far as Jeremy Pierce being the one to deliver that
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information I mean look at his title he's the public information officer for the Lafayette post well he
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probably has some training with the media I mean he delivered the message very clearly and look at how the case
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was handled early on in the very early stages the information that was coming out or the the person Fielding the
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questions was um Sergeant Kim Riley before we started seeing Doug Carter all the time and
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Sergeant Kim Riley his title was public information officer so it's actually coming from the what is likely the most
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appropriate person to deliver the information one thing that is a little tricky is that it's coming from the
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Lafayette post right so it's coming from that specific post they have posts all over the state
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of of Indiana they could have chose any of them I guess but uh I thought that Sergeant Jeremy Pierce did a great job
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on his clear and concise delivery of the information that we needed to know that
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they they believe that we need to know and asking and requesting for information in return but this makes it
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to me a lot more confusing of a case because again they they make this statement we're looking for people
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or looking for anybody that had contact with this social media profile any information on this individual the next
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day the media is telling you well we know who the individual is well so then it makes you question why didn't they
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just come out and say we know that this guy created the account we know that Klein
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Keegan Klein created the account we know that he used the account but we need more information about him or maybe
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other individuals that use the account okay so you might be getting ahead of some of the people here so let's let's
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fill them in a little bit what we have here is that a late release that came out Tuesday of last week stated that
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Lafayette court documents obtained by WLFI TV news 18. this is news 18. I've seen News 13 as being the one to break
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this end of the case but that's another argument for another day revealed The Man Behind the account according to
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their account child pornography charges filed in 2020 suggests that it is 27 year old Keegan Klein Keegan Anthony
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Klein Klein was char charged last year with 30 counts I'm sorry with 30 felonies pending in Miami County the
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heavily redacted court documents make no mention of the Delphi case although they
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note FBI made contact with Klein while working another Indiana State Police case Klein has not been arrested or
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charged in connection to the Delphi investigation and since we have those court records can you go over the list
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of charges against Klein Klein is being charged with child solicitation child exploitation possession of child
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pornography child exploitation child exploitation possession of child pornography synthetic identity deception
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and obstruction of justice one thing I want to make sure that I address before we move on too far here
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captain I get contacted all the time from people that say and I don't I don't want to
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sound like I'm annoyed I just want to make sure that I'm kind of clearing the way for our discussion as we have it and
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I apologize to you those of you that are not comfortable with the terminology of
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child pornography I get contacted all the time and and this is a healthy reminder I think this is a healthy
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reminder that words do matter and people get concerned and say Nick could you please stop saying child pornography
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because it implies that the child is willingly participating in whatever is depicted in those images or or the video
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or what have you we use that terminology here in the garage because as you just heard that is the legal terminology that
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this man if we can call him that will be charged with yeah we can call him a [ __ ]
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bag so for the sake of keeping the show moving along we use that terminology and
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we I want to point out that I I feel like the general understanding should be as it's understood by the law a child
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doesn't have the ability to legally consent to whatever was depicted in those images or those videos we've
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decided as a society that that's not appropriate and that that is illegal and that that child is probably doing
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something that they do not want to participate in that they're being forced to do it we've decided that they are too
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young to mentally and emotionally consent to any of that so I don't think that anybody here in the garage believes
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that these children are agreeing to do whatever that they are forced to do again it's just the
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terminology that's used in the the legal realm if you will and so for for uh to keep things moving along we'll continue
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to use that that terminology you had said why not Doug Carter and you know he's kind of become the super cop in the
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the Delphi case he's the one that is obviously very emotional and very emotionally invested in this case that
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seems obvious to me I wonder Captain if that was either decided specifically to make sure that the whole
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world didn't get thrown into a tailspin we cannot say we cannot sit here and say
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if we and when I say we I mean the whole the public can whole is the public overreacting to this request for
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information we won't know that until they solve the Delphi case it could be that we are in fact overreacting and
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maybe ISP was fearful of an overreaction by the public and so they chose not to put Doug Carter's face and voice on this
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request for the information as far as what they are requesting again you're very smart to be pointing out it's a
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little convoluted right captain that it's confusing what they are requesting from us because it seems like well they
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already knew yeah who was behind the Anthony underscore shots profile or at least who created it or at least who
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created it and who was using it for Dirty Deeds but yet they're asking us for information about the Creator about the
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profile itself I think what's interesting there what's really interesting to me there
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is that they they have not had to say that this guy is a suspect there isn't a suspect in
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the Delphi case they haven't had to tell us yes we knew who was doing this until
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presented with that information and confronted with that information they are simply saying I think they're
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leaving the door open right we want information about this profile what it was being used for who was using it and
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and what who they were interacting with and why yeah not necessarily saying we want to know who Keegan Anthony Klein
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was interacting with they're leaving the door open to being a possibility that maybe other people were using
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this profile or a similar profile yeah in the last few days I've been doing a lot of research on the dark web and this
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seems like a very common thing where somebody creates a social media account gets all the pictures and information
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and then sells that to you and Ari has made contact with women or girls and has already got them to start sending videos
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or pictures the other thing too we need to keep in mind is they they being law enforcement are probably very concerned
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that they don't know every Avenue and outlet that Klein used this profile for right so you
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want to keep that door open they need information they're not going to limit they're not going to say hey we're only
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we only want this or that or the other thing they they want the flood gates to come open with information to them about
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this Anthony shots profile and you're exactly right Captain you are exactly right crime is just like anything else
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on this Big Blue Marble right if some guy's got a really good golf swing and he can drive the ball 300 yards and he's
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shooting under par every day of his life well guess what doesn't everybody and their brothers try to emulate that golf
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swing just like criminals do they sit back and they see what works and what doesn't work and the things that don't
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work or get people caught those are the things that they avoid and the things that work
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whether it be stealing money embezzling money whatever or finding a victim to get nude pictures
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or or a murder victim or what have you what works that's what they go for they they will copy cat what works and they
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will avoid what they've seen that does not work foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] all right
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you know the holidays are a difficult time to be missing loved ones especially when they've never gotten Justice that's
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the case in Delphi for the families of Libby German and Abby Williams but tonight Libby's grandfather does have
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some Hope from that new potential lead a fake social media profile State Police are trying to learn more about right now
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our Emily Longnecker talked with him about his wish for justice this Christmas it's heavy heavy to carry it around this
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long knowing that somebody's done this and they're still out there for nearly five years Mike Patty has carried the
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weight of not knowing who killed his granddaughter Libby German and her friend Abby Williams on a nature trail
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in Delphi in February 2017. nobody had a right to do that you know what I mean two innocent young girls lives
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got no right you had no right to do that this is the man police say murdered the girls
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sometime after Libby captured him on video using her cell phone and also recording his voice
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now nearly five years later with Christmas just weeks away Patty thinks about how different the holidays are
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without his granddaughter what do you do for Libby you know what I mean what do we do do you put out stocking I
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mean whatever you know I mean would you do a set of places a table this year Patty hopes there is something the
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public can do for Libby and Abby now that investigators have asked for help Indiana State Police want to hear from
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anyone who may have had contact via social media with the profile name Anthony underscore shots investigators
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say the profile is connected to the Delphi investigation it's another step in the case you know and and I think it
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is it is a big one patty says he hasn't read the court documents out of Miami County linking the profile name to this
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man Keegan Anthony Klein Klein is in jail right now awaiting trial on a separate case involving multiple charges
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involving child exploitation and possession of child porn investigators haven't named Klein as a suspect or even
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a person of interest in the murders of Abby and Libby court documents show investigators search Klein's Peru home
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11 days after the girl's bodies were found in those same documents police alleged Klein created the Anthony shots
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account six months prior to the girl's disappearance telling police he made the account to contact girls some under 16.
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Mike Patty says he doesn't recognize Klein's name or know whether his granddaughter had any contact with him
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via social media but says he warned Libby about strangers reaching out on the internet because I discussed so many
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things in the in relation to safety and just being you know cautious of your surroundings at all times Mike Patty
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says it's his understanding tips have been coming in since Monday night when investigators asked for new information
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he's praying one of those tips can eventually lead to charges against the person responsible for Libby and Abby's
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murders and we're going to push forward and we're going to drive hard to get Justice you know
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it's what I'm focused on now we asked State Police today if investigators have received any new
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calls or tips about the Anthony shot social media profile that they asked us to share with you but State Police said
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they could not answer our question now the reward for information leading to an arrest in the Delphi murders now stands
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at 350 thousand dollars if you can help email The Abbey and Libby tip line you see here on your screen you can also
00:34:47
find it on our website tonight wthr.com now Keegan Anthony Klein the man who court documents say ran the Anthony
00:34:57
shots profile is not charged in the deaths of Abby Williams and Libby German but he is in jail right now on charges
00:35:04
for crimes against children police right now are trying to figure out if there's
00:35:08
any connection to the Delphi murders our rich and I hit the road to retrace exactly what led police decline
00:35:17
in February 2017 11 days after the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were found police served a search
00:35:25
warrant at this house in Peru where Keegan Klein lived with his father court records say Klein created the
00:35:32
Anthony shots fake social media profile to meet underage girls police allegedly found sexually explicit images of
00:35:40
underage girls on multiple electronic devices Klein was not arrested until August 2020 at his girlfriend's
00:35:47
apartment in Kokomo he faces 30 felony charges involving child pornography but no charges in the Delphi murders Keegan
00:35:56
Klein was booked into the Miami County Jail on August 19 2020. so he's been here for well over a year now he'd have
00:36:03
to come up with 26 500 in cash to get out on bail before his trial so again to be clear there is nothing
00:36:13
from police that connects Abby and Libby to that man but the only thing that is clear investigators really want to hear
00:36:19
more from anyone who's communicated with that account we have a full timeline of
00:36:23
events here backgrounds on the killings and remember those sketches that police have released as well all tonight on
00:36:30
wthr.com so we started to touch on this Captain before the break there and we mentioned this Keegan Anthony Klein
00:36:38
individual and he's been directly tied to the Anthony underscore shots profile or at least one of those profiles that
00:36:46
was being used we know that he's not been directly connected to the Libyan Abbey murder investigation other than we
00:36:56
have ISP telling us that during the course of that investigation they then latched on to this Anthony shots thing
00:37:04
which led them to Keegan Anthony Klein you want to talk about a an emotional roller coaster here right
00:37:14
what was your initial reaction on that Monday night when we hear police are looking for information and it's somehow
00:37:23
tied to the Delphi case well at first I thought well here's some new information
00:37:27
that we haven't heard and if you could Nick this with what they were stating in 2019 if these are connected this could
00:37:36
be something and then when you find out that once you figure out that multiple family members of the victims talk to
00:37:44
press and say look we're hopeful this is something and Kelsey which is pretty reserved in the information that she
00:37:51
shares online was posting this all over social media really made me feel like okay now maybe we're taking a step in
00:37:59
the right direction Kelsey is Libby's older sister and you're right she doesn't have like this sort of knee-jerk
00:38:06
reaction to anytime there's some creep that's been arrested in Indiana or or some unfortunate murder takes place and
00:38:14
they've made an arrest there she doesn't do that you're right she she kind of sits back and lets the information take
00:38:21
direct her reaction I believe so I believe the family members are in close contact with law enforcement and I think
00:38:30
that's another reason again that's me assuming that they're sharing this information because that maybe they know
00:38:38
more about it from their contact with law enforcement so it very much made me feel like we're headed in the right
00:38:44
direction well and that's something that I wondered about as well Captain because
00:38:48
what I did was I had to go back I felt compelled to go back and watch the April 22nd 2019
00:38:56
press release with the emotional Doug Carter speech followed up with the new sketch and the additional audio the
00:39:04
addition of guys added to down the hill and in that press release at that press conference
00:39:11
ISP is telling us hey please do not reach out media don't reach out to the families of our victims here because we
00:39:20
gave them this new information before we are delivering it to you right now right
00:39:24
but we only gave it to him minutes you know or hours they just heard that this morning
00:39:32
and now this is still new information to them as well so I really wondered that same thing if that same scenario took
00:39:39
place in this situation where hey we're going to send out um a request from the public for
00:39:45
information about Anthony shots about an Anthony shots social media profile and it's going to come out later today I
00:39:55
wondered if they reached out in advance so that they wouldn't be shocked when they saw it and I'm guessing that that
00:40:00
that may have happened here again I would assume so and you're right it's it's a weird situation because that
00:40:07
Monday night dude I went to bed and I was like I think this is it and and I don't want to to add too much weight to
00:40:15
the information that was coming out but I was still trying to process it but at the very least and I'll be awfully
00:40:21
selfish here and go you know what this gave me some hope I because I was starting to feel I was starting to
00:40:26
become Doom and Gloom here in this case man like we said since 2019 there hasn't
00:40:31
been a lick of information and really all they've stated yeah I think it was a few months back where they stated we
00:40:39
have a blackout towards media we're not going to share any information so when this comes out you go oh they're on to
00:40:46
something and what my sources were telling me instantly was this is not the last of this information to come out and
00:40:54
there'd be more information in the Fallen week well then the next day when the media is
00:41:00
telling you they already know who this individual is and he's already been arrested
00:41:06
to me that was like you know it's deflating a punch in the gut yeah it's deflating because I went
00:41:13
to bed Monday night going all right well here we have something this this is something that they're going to receive
00:41:18
a wealth of information from the public about and this is going to create new leads it's going to give a new a new
00:41:27
breadcrumb Trail probably multiple breadcrumb trails and it could lead to bridge guy and then yeah the the news on
00:41:35
Tuesday saying when we find out well they already know who this guy is one thing you kind of Wonder Don't You kind
00:41:41
of Wonder is there is there a chance that the Indiana State Police puts out this information
00:41:49
with the idea that they don't know I mean they don't say we don't know who who is responsible for this they simply
00:41:57
throw it out to the public we need information about Anthony underscore shots profiles and kind of leave it
00:42:02
open-ended and then maybe do they leak purposely leak to somebody because I have a hard time believing that that
00:42:10
some news station just just stumbled on it or knew the right place to look I get
00:42:16
I guess maybe it wouldn't be that that terribly difficult if you started to really review what they were doing in
00:42:21
the very early processes of their investigation the murder investigation well their knowledge of the warrants
00:42:28
that they were that they were uh filing and carrying out yeah the knowledge again a good journalist has extensive
00:42:37
knowledge and case files and for them to have also contacts too I mean they might
00:42:43
have somebody at the courthouse going hey you know this is connected to a case or this this
00:42:49
announcement is connected to this case that's already ongoing I mean look one we're holding this individual for quite
00:42:56
a long time before our trial takes place my thing was if you connect it with the
00:43:02
information we already know and and you have to then assume that it's somehow connected that this Klein character is
00:43:09
connected to Delphi then to me it's it's either a a to a crime A to B crime or a
00:43:16
to like Z crime and what I mean by that is we know that Klein was using these profiles is there a connection to the
00:43:24
profile when Klein was using it to the victims some people say yes uh there is some information online about that I'll
00:43:33
share these pictures with you in a second to get your opinions on them but the other thought was well maybe he had
00:43:42
access to the profiles he was setting them up he was using them and somebody like possibly his father then took these
00:43:50
and used them to try to lure Abby and Libby to the park the other thing too here Captain is the situation
00:43:58
where it may be an unknown individual was using a similar profile that was either set up or or the creative end of
00:44:07
it was inspired by an already established profile that seemed to be working Anthony shots and when I say
00:44:15
working it means what he set it up to do get nude photos of underage girls and videos and and that sort of thing it was
00:44:23
working because it was it was getting what he set out to achieve a lot of times these guys are sharing
00:44:33
images and and files electronic files with one another and and trading them some of them almost collecting them and
00:44:42
was this something that he could have inspired someone else to do or somebody saw this thing working and thought you
00:44:50
know what I'm going to copycat that yeah that's the other thing too is sometimes
00:44:55
you you see a profile we've seen this on MTV's Catfish where somebody sets up a profile Anthony shots and then somebody
00:45:04
else sees that profile and says well look here's all this information I can take this and set up my own one because
00:45:12
one of the things that I saw in documents is I've seen Anthony underscore shots and I've also seen
00:45:19
Anthony underscore shot without the S and I don't know if that is just a typo or if there was multiple accounts
00:45:29
so then we have again somebody could uh took this profile took this idea and used it themselves and then that would
00:45:37
have nothing to do with Klein but like I said this deep dive that I've been doing
00:45:41
the last week into the dark web it seems like this is something that goes on a lot more than you would expect and the
00:45:50
way they do it is a couple ways I set up this account I start getting these conversations gone with different
00:45:58
groups of underage girls or underage boys and then I give you access so now you can have conversations with them you
00:46:06
could try to meet them up if you wanted to or I just you pay for Access and now the
00:46:13
account is yours so that opens up a whole web of who it could be but it seems to me like
00:46:22
like I said we've been covering so many cases I know little to nothing about this
00:46:29
world but what they're stating and a lot of the research I've done is well guys that do this stuff guys that are they're
00:46:36
into the dark web guys that are into using the internet nefarious ways they kind of
00:46:44
they all kind of find each other it's kind of like you you know the guys that play Fantasy Football
00:46:50
they somehow are friends with a lot of other guys that play Fantasy Football Just Like Music is a passion a hobby
00:46:58
whatever A lot of my friends are musicians so same thing these scumbags they they find each other yeah and it
00:47:06
could be very it could be just as simple as they can see online people interacting with one another and go you
00:47:15
know what that could be a fake profile and that is definitely an underage person that's communicating with them
00:47:21
it's just like a bomb maker right nobody is born into this world knowing how to make a bomb but what you
00:47:29
do is if you want to take on that dirty deed as a hobby well you learn and you hone that skill and you learn how to
00:47:38
make better bombs more sophisticated bombs more undetectable bombs and so on and so forth and
00:47:45
you you learn that skill and this can be the same situation where Anthony underscore shots and it might be
00:47:53
annoying to hear me keep saying underscore but as you pointed out you've seen Anthony underscore shot at times
00:48:00
I've also seen Anthony shots with no underscore right and I kind of annoyingly keep saying that because that
00:48:08
is specifically what the Indiana State Police is asking for so you may have a situation here where you take any you
00:48:18
take any uh manufacturing situation or or creative situation some people are better at certain tasks
00:48:27
and certain have different abilities than others right so could you have a situation where somebody is really good
00:48:34
at setting up creating a fictitious account but another individual another unfortunately like-minded individual
00:48:44
might not be very good at setting them up but is really good at doing the communication part the back and forth of
00:48:52
talking and tricking these people into getting what they want from them well yeah and just because you post a couple
00:48:59
pictures of your cars online and just because you not your cars but cars that you're claiming are yours houses that
00:49:08
you claim are yours or pictures that you claim are of you that doesn't mean that you're going to
00:49:15
be able to carry on a conversation but I would also say in this day and age which
00:49:20
I I do believe is pretty sad is we've gotten into a situation where it doesn't take a lot of conversation or a lot of
00:49:30
getting to know somebody before people start exchanging these types of pictures uh now what I sent you through your
00:49:38
phone which I don't know if you see this this is a post that Libby posted and was
00:49:43
liked by this Anthony underscore shots account now the screenshot I have next to Anthony underscore shots account
00:49:54
normally you would say follow but this one says requested so I'm guessing whoever got this information and posted
00:50:02
online requested to follow Anthony underscore shots online and I think it was that Monday when the information
00:50:10
came out some of my sources were saying that if you went and found these accounts online whether it was through I
00:50:18
believe is mainly through Instagram where the number of followers was changing sometimes increasing some times
00:50:27
decreasing almost meaning that somebody was using the account either to add people or to delete people
00:50:34
but there was definitely people that once they heard this information they tried to find these accounts and
00:50:40
then tried to request to follow them so they could get more information from the
00:50:45
profile well and one of the people that reached out to me almost immediately and
00:50:48
this was first thing Tuesday a.m after this is why we're still waiting we've just heard that police are looking
00:50:56
for information on Anthony shots we don't have any of the Keegan Anthony Klein information at this time when I
00:51:03
when I first get this message but it came from Melissa Lee the host of the victimology podcast
00:51:09
who had the Delphi discussion with us here in episode 395 on True Crime garage Delphi murders discussion was the title
00:51:20
of that episode and she reached out and said hey what do you make of this this new information
00:51:25
and and what the police are requesting and we traded some uh of our reactions and and shared our reactions and some of
00:51:33
our thoughts there but she pointed out to me and yes I did receive your your your picture here
00:51:38
captain and I'm looking at it I'm I'm not the best to make heads or tails out of these sort of things for Social Media
00:51:46
stuff but uh she passed along something to me and one thing that she has done really well in her research of the
00:51:52
Delphi case over the years is she's very good at collecting information and saving certain things along the way so
00:52:01
one thing that she saved is a this is a Facebook post from uh from a Facebook group in 2017
00:52:11
that Melissa says it's pretty strange it's on par with what detectives are asking for now see below and she sent me
00:52:19
a picture of it and it says uh Liberty German and Abigail Williams case discussion and a person on there I'll
00:52:28
I'll leave their name out of it on February 26 of 2017 posted to the group okay I'm weirded out this is probably
00:52:38
just a sign that I'm paying too much attention to this case but I went to Liberty's Instagram yesterday and
00:52:46
noticed that a really strikingly attractive teenager had liked a couple of her posts I back searched his profile
00:52:57
and it was of an old photo of a male model not a real person as he was claiming to be but he claimed to have
00:53:05
just moved to Lafayette his profile file was private and a typical phishing profile but he only had 50 followers
00:53:14
today the likes from him are gone and either his name is changed or his or sorry he deleted his profile
00:53:25
and this poster goes on to say I'm sure the FBI has already read all of their social networking interactions but I
00:53:33
just really wish I'd saved his profile name or emailed it to the sheriff so that was really interesting to see that
00:53:41
was something that she collected back from 2017. the other thing I would like to
00:53:47
discuss and I don't see a lot of people discussing it online in the discussion rooms and all that stuff is when law
00:53:57
enforcement came out and said hey look that we want information of this profile they posted a lot of pictures of this
00:54:06
basically fake it's a it's a it's a they know it's a known male model profile that somebody was taking the the
00:54:17
pictures from that profile and then using them for the Anthony underscore shots account
00:54:23
but what was also interesting in that group of pictures that they shared now I don't know if they're just sharing every
00:54:31
single picture that was on that profile or has been linked to that profile but there's again a handful of this male
00:54:39
model some where he has his shirt on sometimes he has his shirt off and then there's other pictures some being of
00:54:47
sports cars and then one picture of being money now the reason why I bring up these
00:54:54
pictures is because I don't find it odd that they shared them but I think maybe they share them because they're like is
00:55:01
there something we're missing from these pictures meaning I can have a fake profile and let's say my fake profile
00:55:11
I'm using AC Slater as my pictures but if I take a picture of my stack of money I can still post that if I take a
00:55:24
picture of a a real sports car that I'm seeing in real life I can post that so just because the profile is fake
00:55:36
doesn't mean all the pictures are fake right and I wonder if that's why I mean the stack of cash is you know
00:55:46
it's a large sum of money but that doesn't mean it's impossible that it's not coming directly from Klein or
00:55:52
whoever's using this account the other interesting thing is there's a lot of pictures on Klein's father's Facebook of
00:56:01
fancy sports cars so I think that's maybe one of the reasons why they posted those because
00:56:07
some of those pictures actually could be real and then maybe they're wondering does somebody that knows Klein or knows
00:56:16
people in his Circle have they seen these pictures used on other social media profiles is again I think it's
00:56:24
open-ended and that's how you want to leave this thing if you're really okay so it's kind of it's kind of funny and
00:56:31
and please hear the sarcasm in my voice but what we know is that Klein was using
00:56:37
a fake profile to be able to connect with underage girls so he was catfishing them now we have
00:56:47
the Indiana State Police who are openly fishing for information about Klein and this profile this online profile yeah
00:56:56
and so yeah you could certainly have a situation where somebody is using real actual photos I think what you're doing
00:57:04
here though Captain is you gotta return to the idea of every time you're asking the public for
00:57:11
information you want it to be very open-ended you don't want to close any doors because you don't want somebody
00:57:19
out there that might hold the key the key information that you're looking for to go you know what well it's nothing I
00:57:27
don't need to report this this is nothing it's a waste of their time it's a waste of my time you're throwing out
00:57:32
all the pictures that were associated with this profile because you're hoping to jog someone's memory right we are
00:57:39
told by the Indiana State Police that they know that the profile was being used from 2016 to 2017. well that's up
00:57:49
that's a kick in the gut right there that time frame because we know the girls were killed in 2017.
00:57:55
and so what they're trying to do with these images that they include in there in their request for information they're
00:58:05
trying to jog someone's memory that maybe maybe they don't remember the Anthony shots name
00:58:12
but maybe one of these pictures right will will awaken that memory or they'll go well maybe I maybe I did
00:58:22
have some interaction with this person maybe I did or or so and so showed me a picture
00:58:30
you know a friend A girlfriend of mine showed me a picture of somebody she was chatting with online and maybe she's
00:58:36
going to forget but now that image I can talk to her and say well do you still have any of that can we confirm if it
00:58:42
was that profile or not the other thing that's really interesting to me here is just the way that the of the events have
00:58:50
kind of unfolded and we can get into you know the time frame of everything later
00:58:56
but one thing that's really interesting to me is just given the fact that we know the profile was used in 2016 and
00:59:05
2017 with the sole purpose of communicating with underage girls yeah pedophile right
00:59:13
so these underage girls some of them may be adults by this time in 2021 they may be
00:59:23
less afraid or less concerned about coming forward yeah they're they're adults now and they may
00:59:34
feel more comfortable saying you know we know that that unfortunately rape is one
00:59:39
of the most underreported crimes in this country and every other country out there and a lot of that is because of
00:59:48
the the shame and the embarrassment and and all of that that comes with that type of of crime
00:59:55
and so here it's it's it's not the same obviously but it's you know somebody's been tricked and somebody
01:00:02
an underage girl unfortunately probably did something or sent something that they really regret and that they would
01:00:09
be afraid to come forward with when they're 13 14 15 years old because of you know Mom and Dad might get upset or
01:00:18
this could embarrass my family or this could ruin my chances of getting into a good college I mean you it can go on and
01:00:25
on and on the reasons why not to come forward but now that somebody has matured a little bit and they're a
01:00:31
little bit older maybe they'll feel a little more comfortable uh coming forward and and also please know that
01:00:39
this regardless of what they tell us this does have direct implications in the Libyan Abbey murder investigation
01:00:48
whether at the end of the day Klein is tied to it or not whether at the end of the day the Anthony underscore shots
01:00:54
profiles tied to it or not it does have direct implications because we've said it on this show
01:01:00
how many shows have we done Captain 530 some so we've probably said it on the show 530 sometimes
01:01:08
in these investigations we obviously are always looking for the person who committed the crime
01:01:16
but along the way it is also very helpful to be checking off and Crossing off and xing out names of people that
01:01:23
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