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talk some true crime [Music] yesterday we discussed that investigators determined that Charice
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bingham's death was in fact the homicide and they were investigating it as such and in talking with her husband Eugene
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Bingham they quickly learned that his story was just not adding up and then there is this
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police found out about a possible Affair from an anonymous call that came in early in the investigation the caller
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referenced a 14-year relationship Eugene was having with another woman Keith Walker sharice's older brother who
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has worked very hard to keep his sister's unsolved murder in the public eye tells us that about a year before
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she died Charisse discovered that Eugene had purchased a duplex in town and was renting it out
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the property manager was listed as a woman whom Eugene met when both of them worked at UPS
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her job there was in the HR department but she moved on to the real estate business all right hold on
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so he's their relationship is kind of strange but they're going to stay married Eugene
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lives in the basement Bo Peep lives in the basement so their marriage isn't great and then
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she finds out a year before she's murdered he purchased a property duplex so he purchased this and she didn't even
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know about it that's that's right according to her brother that's the information we have right this guy is uh
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he's he's not just lying to the cops he's lying about everything this woman and Eugene are having an affair now
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after charisse's death her family found out that this woman and Eugene owned another house together this is where
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this woman lived Keith Walker believes that Charisse never knew about this other house but
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she did know about the girlfriend we aren't going to name Eugene's girlfriend here but it's now his wife
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and you can find that information online and in some of the papers we will simply refer to her as the
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girlfriend now in any event the side piece Cherise found out about this affair and was
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upset enough to pawn her wedding ring according to her family why she didn't leave Eugene we don't we
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don't know perhaps she was making plans to do just that right but according to Eugene he says things
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were still good with him and his wife initially Eugene and talking to investigators denied the affair but then
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he told detective Norvell that he had a fling that had ended four years earlier after Charisse found out about it
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but police continued to press Eugene about who this other woman was and eventually Eugene admitted that it
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wasn't just a fling that he continued to see this woman and the relationship never ended
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he did give police her name and her phone number now back to the phone records that we discussed yesterday yeah
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the phone number is 1-800 shitpag from December 3rd to December 11th this is only eight days the eight days leading
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up to the murder Eugene called his girlfriend 38 times that's with the three followed by an
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eight 38 times what did he call her she called Eugene 72 times Jesus on the day after the shooting
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the girlfriend called Eugene nine times then communication abruptly stopped with
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only one call between the two from December 14 2012 to January 27 2013. that seems incredibly strange to have both of
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those behaviors going on in such a short time period yeah yeah why didn't Eugene
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just divorce Charice if he's already having this other relationship the number one possible answer here
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captain money right right he's but he's also acquiring wealth or properties without her knowing so the state police
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the Indiana State Police they discovered that Charisse had multiple life insurance policies and that Eugene was
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the beneficiary according to court documents Eugene had two life insurance policies on his wife
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it's not clear whether he was the one that purchased these policies or if in fact Charisse
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was the one that purchased the policies but one of the policies was for 200 200 000
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and the other was for two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and Charisse had a policy at work
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through her work for a total of four hundred and ten thousand dollars so I'm going to do my public school math
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for everybody on display for all to hear and see and Witness the Brilliance that's eight hundred and
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sixty thousand dollars in total that's a ton of money for someone who is really just sitting around drinking
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and smoking that is as the colonel says a whole lot of rolling papers so the the whole whole lot of zigzags
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Eugene when Charice died was unemployed well I wanna I wanna be clear about this
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so she had a policy through her work correct I'm going to assume that's pretty standard stuff right but I'm
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gonna assume that she set that up she seemed like a very go-getter a responsible person and so I'm going to
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say that she said that those up there was two pieces of property purchased without her knowledge
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correct I'm going to go ahead and say that the other two policies the one for two hundred thousand the one and then
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there's another for 250 000 right correct I'm gonna say that those my gut is telling me Eugene bought those
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and that possibly she didn't know anything about it because you'd think that the policy through uh her work
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would suffice enough I think you're spot on for a couple reasons not only do we see another uh acts of behavior where
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he's doing things behind her back but also purchasing things purchasing property
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look most people do not over insure themselves as as good as the insurance sales man or woman is
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most people do not over insure themselves we're talking Charisse does not have any children yes her and her
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husband have a home together but you're not going to set up a situation where you're paying money out of pocket
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to hold these policies that's going to allow this man to quote unquote hit the lottery when
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something happens to you so you would insure yourself just enough to take care of that person take care of
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the properties any outstanding bills things like that but with no kids this seems like a huge amount this this is
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over insured so I agree with you Captain I think it looks like for me that Eugene
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may have been secretly holding these additional policies because the one from her work is the largest that's 410 000
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that's that's a significant amount that takes care of everything and ties up all
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Loose Ends should something happen right and takes care of you and your basement
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and and the house that's attached to it yeah but now when you have two other properties with you know
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your side piece I think they call them side pieces because they're side pieces of [ __ ]
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but uh but now you have two properties with your side piece now we have two more policies that cover
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those and I I would like to know when the other two policies were were bought when
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confronted with this information obviously police and detectives are going to inform Eugene if he can't
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figure it out for himself that motive motive for murder here could in fact be these three insurance policies
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it's money man they're going to point out to him look you are unemployed at the time that she
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died now for his part Eugene said that he had bought into a few businesses that didn't take off they hadn't taken off
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yet for whatever reason that he did own that rental property that did generate some income so he they're they're making
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different arguments the investigators making the argument that money was a motivating factor
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and he's trying to negate all that by saying look I I had some income with this rental property and I had some
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businesses that just hadn't taken off yet Eugene did agree to take a polygraph test and did so on January 9
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2013. before the test was initiated detectives asked Eugene what he believed happened to his wife
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he said he was mauling this over for quite some times and actually thinking of several different scenarios
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he says one possibility Charisse had the gun in her pocket the safety was off and
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one of the dogs jumped up and discharging the weapon but as we know this just does not work due to the
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bullet holes in her clothing that we have already discussed right Eugene also suggested that Charice could have
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slipped and fallen and accidentally shot herself then again the evidence says not
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when pressed Eugene said that all he knew for sure was that Charisse did not harm herself on purpose and that he had
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nothing to do with it he just wanted the whole thing to be over is what he told the investigators
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this was a nightmare for him as well as he states he really missed Charisse but then Eugene may have slipped up in
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his statement to investigators he said that he learned from the corner that the projectile and uh this is a quote this
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is a direct quote quote projectile that had killed his wife had been recovered end quote
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he said he assumed that law enforcement had matched it to the gun found at the scene but on January 9th
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when Eugene made this statement police had not yet gathered the proof showing that the ballistics were in fact a match
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in other words Eugene knew that the bullet came from charisse's gun before investigators did
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Eugene also made another interesting statement Gotti when asked quote what should happen to a person that kills his
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wife end quote Eugene responded they should go to jail just like the person that did it end quote he went on
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to say that if you plotted with someone then you should go to jail along with the person
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who did it so it looks like Eugene thought that police were asking him about a conspiracy about a conspiracy to
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commit murder the murder of his wife right could that in fact be a clue as to what actually happened and what actually
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went down Eugene continued to ramble wondering what would have happened if he had accompanied his wife on her walk he
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said I'd probably be in jail according to what he says he's seen on TV the husband is always the first suspect
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in response to questioning he said that there are three reasons he could think of that might cause someone
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to kill their spouse money they fall out of love or they find out their spouse has done something bad yeah
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but In fairness okay you're asked a question whatever he gives you as an answer that
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makes him look guilty right right so I mean in all fairness to him because if you ask me right now uh that same
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question my answers are going to be similar that doesn't mean I had anything to do with the death of uh Cerise so
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right and not only that one one technique that detectives very often use now keep in mind I'm summarizing a lot
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of this information but hold on I do want to applaud you because you did the colonel pulled a Keith Morris yeah
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where where you set it up you know and then he then he answered it could be money well I spend every night watching
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on the TV learning watching and learning growing trying to become a better person yeah so
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um but one technique that detectives will very often use is they'll throw out a question there for you they'll let you
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answer it and then they just kind of sit there in hopes that you'll continue to talk
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and some people will do this in a nervous fashion and others will just do it because there's an awkward silence
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and it sounds to me like that's what's going on here that they just throw out a couple of questions that may have even
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started with some softball questions and he gives them an answer and then continues to Ramble On Ramble On and in
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a way you know the old the old saying if you if you find yourself in a grave stop
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digging you know so now the polygraph test itself and there are some people out there
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right now that are booing here they go talking about polygraph again we understand they're not they're
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of no use in the court of law but obviously the investigators are still using them we are still going to talk
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about them so the polygraph itself only presented Eugene with three questions one two
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three questions the first being did you shoot Charice the second are you the one
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who shot Charisse and the third do you know for sure who shot Charisse Eugene answered no to all three questions The
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Examiner scored the exam he determined that it was inconclusive but further indicated that it was very
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close to a failure a second examiner examiner scored the exam and also determined that it was
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quote at or near failure furthermore according to an affidavit an additional check was done with an
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electronic scoring system that is used only as a reference and that scoring system scored these tests as a failure
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so the official results of the poly was inconclusive but detective Norvell considers Eugene
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to have failed the polygraph okay I I'm trying to follow you here it's tough this this part of this story
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is is very confusing so they give one test but they have two different individuals score that test and then
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they then they have a computer basically score the test as well very well see that all I'm thinking about is
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Keith Morrison that is why in fact that these polygraph tests are not of any use
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in the court of law because that you know look the the slang term for them are lie detector
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tests the test does not detect lying at all right it detects your reaction to the question and your behavior uh at the
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time that you are providing an answer so what that means is it's not a situation
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where it was did you have McDonald's for breakfast today and I say yes and then the thing goes which means I'm lying no
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it just records my my reaction to the question into the answer that I'm providing and then somebody has to come
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in and view it with their own eyes and ex you know review the exam and score it so it's open to interpretation right so
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so the detectives come into the room and they asked the colonel did you have McDonald's breakfast this morning
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was he telling the truth we will never know we may never know I plead the fifth I need to work on my Keith Morrison
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so Eugene agreed to a second polygraph examination this was going to take place on January 22nd before the exam he
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answered some questions about his affair he said that he the woman started off as his business
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partner but one thing led to another and then it turned into something else he did say that Charisse did in fact find
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out about the affair but he was never fully honest with Charisse Eugene felt sure that Charisse died not knowing that
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he was continuing to see this woman that's probably maybe the most truthful thing that he's ever said is when he was
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like I wasn't honest with her right that's probably the most honest thing that this guy could say I'm a
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lying [ __ ] princess but it also in a sense that's him trying to to look when when they say money was a motivating
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factor in her murder he's saying well I had income it's not just so so clean and
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simple that I was unemployed I had income coming in and then when suggesting that the affair would be
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motive for her murder he's saying she found out about it I told I admitted to it but I wasn't fully honest with her
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and at the time of her death she died not knowing that I was continuing to see this woman
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right right so if she doesn't know at the time of her death then it may not be a motivating factor for the murder is
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what he's trying to say right let's start with the idea again we don't know who bought the policies but I think the
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policies is motive for murder I don't care if he even had a job that's motive for murder the fact that you're having a
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fair or had an affair had one or is having one that is motive that means that you didn't like your current
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situation and so you you decided to run out on your wife right so also sounds like he doesn't
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have enough things enough hobbies to fill his day with because he's not busy working so right but then so so we have
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that but then we also have I think just the fact that he is buying properties and having almost a double life is is
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motive for murder because when she finds out about the one piece of property she
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didn't find out about the other piece of property so is he trying to hide that from her and then again it with let's go
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back to the stepping out on your wife okay she knows that you had an affair but she doesn't know it's continuing
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maybe she knew it was continuing but she didn't give a rat's ass because you're lazy piece of [ __ ] ass lives in the
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basement right and she's playing in on leaving you anyways she's just not telling you that because why the hell
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would she have to tell you that when you've been stepping out on her right so I think there's a lot of motives here uh
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but the issue that I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around is I think these motives
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has as damning as they are pointing the finger to Eugene it really makes me start questioning the
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side piece because all those benefits would benefit her as well yeah so the when when we
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talk about motive though as well let's for for anything one thing that I see here the the
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ownership of two properties with this woman that shows a motive that he was not intending at any time to
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to leave that other relationship this shows a motive that he intends to further that relationship and to build
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that relationship and again well he has more to lose he has more property to lose and and possible income to lose if
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he if he loses that relationship and one thing that's not discussed as a possible
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motive is maybe she was maybe Charisse was in fact planning on leaving him and maybe she expressed that to him at some
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point right so we we were going down the path of the polygraphs the not lie detectors but
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the second polygraph test that he agrees to now this took place on January 22nd again in the second poly there were only
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three questions asked of Eugene one did you shoot Charice two are you the one who shot Charisse and three did you
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participate in the shooting of Charisse again the results of this exam were inconclusive and close to failure
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detective Norvell tells us that he initially asked Eugene to submit to a polygraph exam so he could rule the
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husband out as a suspect I think that's pretty interesting to hear that from one
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of the detectives on the case he's not saying that we gave him this polygraph test because we believed he was the
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number one guy because he was the Prime Suspect we simply asked him to to submit to the
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polygraph because we wanted to clear him and move on from the husband being a suspect and to look into different areas
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[Music] so for anyone out there that's going well they got tunnel vision and they set their sights
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on Eugene and never never let go left it in the locked position I think this statement here to me is is quite
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telling that that in fact was not the situation they didn't have tunnel vision they weren't locked and loaded on Eugene
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and in fact when the results of the polygraph come back and it's found to be inconclusive close to failure
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this actually changing the mindset and drastically changing and Shifting the focus of the detectives working the case
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and it shifted that Focus to Eugene welcome back my lovely lovely friends welcome to the garage
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smells good oh God gross smells good in the garage I lit some candles clean out your face
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hey the weather keeps changing so it goes from super cold to not so bad I'm a little clogged up and we're in a
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garage so um Eugene's girlfriend took that polygraph test that we were talking about she took this on February 8 2013
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and the questions again here are just three questions first being did you shoot that woman the
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second are you the one who shot that woman and third did you participate in the shooting of that woman
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interesting to see the contrast between the two polygraphs even though they are just
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three questions long right when you're questioning the husband you state the victim's name and when
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testing the girlfriend you refer to Sharice as that woman find that to be interesting I don't know
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what the yeah what the strategy is there now the girlfriend did answer no to all
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three questions she was scored as a failure she left the exam and retained an attorney oh really
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oh man we both like lie detector tests but we also tell people if I was charged with a crime and then
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it doesn't matter if I was innocent or not if they said well let's give you a lie detector there's there's no
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it's like throwing the football and um two bad things can happen or something like that so that's what Woody Hayes
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used to say that when you throw the football only two only three things can happen and two
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of them are bad meaning it would be intercepted or an incomplete pass and then the one good being that you
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complete the pass and it and it you know right the further the ball down the field that same with the polygraph
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the good thing is is that you pass it the bad thing is you fail but the other bad thing is it's
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inconclusive yeah and I mean we've said this before you really have nothing to gain by by
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passing it right right like there's there's really nothing for you to gain because if you do pass the polygraph and
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and the investigators still have evidence and still believe you to be guilty they're just going to say well
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that doesn't matter we can't use it in court anyway right it's really just a tool and I think it's it's a tool really
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to apply pressure to the person that you need that you want to crack to crack and
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give a confession or to crack and give an incriminating statement I think that the only way that you would
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let's say you are innocent and you know yourself to be innocent the only way that you would agree to a polygraph I
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have seen scenarios where someone says I will do a polygraph exam but my attorney
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is going to hire the person giving the exam and we're going to do the test conduct the test at my attorney's office
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you know they really play it like home court advantage type situation so it's it's really really a tricky thing and
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it's really a tricky thing in this particular case because we stated this at the beginning of
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yesterday's show this case seems to me to not be solved due to a lack of effort or know-how it seems that this case is
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just unsolved because of a lack of evidence and police by this point in our story
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they believe that Eugene Bingham was in some way responsible for his wife's death
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however the Walker family began to suspect Eugene's involvement in charisse's Death from the beginning
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according to Deborah McMurray that's what she told True Crime daily and to this day they still do they still
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believe that he is involved in some way in charisse's death and here's why this is the circumstantial evidence
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the gun and its pouch were in two different locations contrary to sharice's Habit leading the family to
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believe that the gun was used to kill Charice that it had not gone with her on her
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walk only Eugene's DNA was on the gun although there were no usable prints another thing that they
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point to Eugene didn't have much of an alibi for that night Eugene was having a long-term affair
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the dogs they say her family says likely knew the attacker cell phone evidence put Eugene Bingham
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in the area at the time of the murder Eugene and his girlfriend both failed or close to failed polygraph examinations
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and finally they point to the fact that Charisse had three life insurance policies totaling
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860 thousand dollars and rotten Bo Peep Eugene was the beneficiary of those policies yeah [ __ ] princess
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so could all of this circumstantial evidence lead to an arrest well after detectives worked the case for 16 months
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prosecutors felt that there was in fact enough evidence to proceed against Eugene a Marion County grand jury was
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convened in March of 2014. the girlfriend testified before the panel but did not shed any more light on what
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actually happened right because you can't incriminate herself on July 16 2014. this is nearly two
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years after Charice was killed and affidavit for probable cause was filed in Marion County Indiana seeking the
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arrest of Eugene Bingham he was arrested on July 28th and charged with murder the trial was set for September 2015 and
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Keith Walker representing his sister's estate filed a wrongful death action against Eugene Bingham
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about six weeks before the trial the Walker family was hit with some devastating news Marion County
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Prosecutors decided to drop the charges against Eugene Indiana state police detective Rich
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Myers who worked the Bingham case said quote we know we charge the right person but we just need that little bit more of
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information and quote right Eugene was free to go so what happened to plunge the DA's case the short answer is the
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cell phone tower evidence fell apart ping ping ping ping much like when I tried to read it for you
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on the show so according to her brother to sharice's brother Keith Walker the prosecuting attorney and the detectives
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decided that there was not enough evidence to convict Eugene given that they could not get Sprint
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the cell service provider to testify in court that Eugene's phone was at the murder scene
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all right and but in layman's terms what happened right right they they do the they get the information from Sprint at
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some point and that puts him in the area and they start going okay well now his Alibi is not making any sense
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now his story's falling apart but his story has fallen apart because they have that information and then when they
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charge him and they're about to go to trial it's not even that spring is telling
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them that hey look um that information we gave you we're not saying it's right or wrong
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but we don't think it's accurate correct and what what was reported on Investigation Discovery they reported
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that the cell phone company said their data was flawed and that they were no longer confident their records could be
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relied upon to place Eugene at the scene now detective Norvell explained that the
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cell phone company could not confirm the location accuracy of the call from the chiropractor remember that's the call
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that went to Eugene's voicemail around 7 30 7 40. yeah as as they could for an answered call okay so what he's saying
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he that they were told by the cell phone provider was because that phone call went to voicemail
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the provider is saying that information is less accurate than had Eugene answered the call but that ping would be
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more accurate and because they're not willing to testify in court at his trial the judge isn't going to let that
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evidence stand if you don't have an expert there to back it up right keep going so this again is in relation to the 741
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PM call regarding where where the pings were coming in from the cell phone towers this would have put
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Eugene's phone by the river at that time rather than at home like he said he was
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but the provider saying we can't 100 back that up the other thing too Captain is you and I know from other cases that
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this cell phone tower pinging evidence it really isn't or doesn't seem to be super reliable and in most cases right I
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wish they checked and I don't know if they did uh but uh the girlfriend the side piece is a cell phone to check that
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locations and see uh where where her whereabouts were because to me one of the things that Eugene when
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he says you know when they ask him you know what should happen to a husband that
00:37:18
that kills his wife and he starts going well they should go to jail just like the person that did it like again it's
00:37:24
almost like he's making up this Narrative of yeah okay if if my girlfriend gets caught for
00:37:32
the murder I should go to jail too and so I'd really like to know where her where or whoever he hired to kill her
00:37:40
right but I'd like to know where her whereabouts are because to me it seems like
00:37:48
again she has just as many motives as him and and now they're married so not now their lifelong team and it's like
00:37:58
I'd like to know where she was at yeah I mean and the other thing too is you really wonder if
00:38:07
that 741 call that goes to his voicemail is that really the slip up because in every situation a criminal or a team of
00:38:20
criminals makes a mistake they just do there are no such thing as perfect crimes it's just detectives do not
00:38:29
detect what the mistake is and can't can't really exploit that mistake to their advantage
00:38:36
so you wonder if that 7 41 PM call if that was the slip up because remember he Eugene tells law enforcement that
00:38:48
his wife was there at their home at the start of the basketball game which is starting around that same 741 time frame
00:38:57
yeah within minutes of that and you wonder if if she look if he was in a different place and trying to make
00:39:07
up an alibi and somebody else is out doing the dirty deed but does not reach out to him until 7 41 and his pee brain
00:39:17
he's saying I only need to I need to account for my alibi around this time of 741 which according to the investigators
00:39:26
timeline means nothing she had been killed and been found and police responded an hour and 11 minutes earlier
00:39:33
than that right so it's it's all very tricky here unfortunately what takes place is the
00:39:42
authorities have to explain to sharice's family that because of Double Jeopardy it is best for them to drop the charges
00:39:49
for now and to strive to obtain more evidence to build an iron-clad case against Eugene
00:39:58
Bingham nine years later the family is still waiting the wrongful death suit was essentially
00:40:08
settled the life insurance company was forced to pay on the policies on charisse's
00:40:16
once once the charges were dismissed against Eugene they had to pay him for those policies well now he can take that
00:40:24
money and hire better at a lawyer well since Keith was suing on his sister's behalf to
00:40:30
collect the funds instead the insurance company paid the proceeds into the court
00:40:35
and then the Court held them until the dispute between Keith and Eugene could be resolved via mandated arbitration
00:40:45
Keith on behalf of charissa's estate felt that he had no choice but to settle for seventy five thousand dollars Eugene
00:40:55
Bingham collected the rest and he then married his long time girlfriend they still own the house where Charisse
00:41:05
and Eugene lived as husband and wife police still consider Eugene the or the suspect in this open and unsolved murder
00:41:19
as we've seen from all the things we've discussed it certainly would have been possible
00:41:26
for Eugene to be the shooter and to have acted alone but there are also some other possibilities
00:41:33
Eugene seemed to be addressing the detectives questions from the perspective of a conspirator right when
00:41:40
asked what should happen to the murderer he responds that if someone plotted with
00:41:45
someone to kill someone else they should be prosecuted equally he volunteered the
00:41:51
conspiracy angle Eugene could have hired someone to kill his wife this would likely have had to
00:41:58
involve possibly burner phones and Eugene giving charisse's gun to the shooter in advance the shooter would
00:42:08
have followed Charice to the trail right remember we said her family says she thought she was being followed banned
00:42:17
the blue blazer right and could have pretended to be a pedestrian or even a cyclist and shot Charisse from a close
00:42:24
range before the dogs would have alerted to any danger if it happened this way though one would
00:42:31
think that Eugene would come up with come up with a better Alibi than I fell asleep on the couch
00:42:39
[Music] one thing that is strange regardless of how this went down or who was responsible according to detective
00:42:47
Norvell no Witnesses ever have come forward to say that they heard a gunshot this is in the middle of a city not in a
00:42:57
remote area and it's surprising since when detectives arrived on the scene there were more than a couple of
00:43:04
bystanders in the area was the shooter lucky you know we we've talked about that and I hate to say it
00:43:12
that way but we've talked about it in so many other cases I'll say it in here Keith Morrison voice and everybody will
00:43:17
like it better sometimes these scumbags just get lucky and whatever went down that night might that might just be part
00:43:24
of it or did the shooter did he or she follow Charisse and make sure that no one else was around before making their
00:43:33
move that's a possibility as well yeah okay so weirdly though I think uh Eugene got lucky because I actually
00:43:43
think he was at home I think that was the plan and he was at home and then the cell phone ping technology was actually
00:43:50
wrong because I don't know necessarily if he would have been the one to try to pull this off
00:44:00
unless his girlfriend was at his house I I just think it's you know you take her polygraph test
00:44:11
look we know he's a known liar but when you look at her polygraph test to me she failed the test and and that
00:44:21
that that puts her involved somehow now again we we're not stating her name she doesn't have to be guilty of
00:44:31
anything other than knowledge though to fail that test right right meaning meaning she didn't have to kill Charice
00:44:38
or participate in the actual crime itself other than Eugene or whoever is responsible may
00:44:47
have told her what happened prior to that test because one of one of those questions is simply do you know what
00:44:54
happened to that woman do you know who shot that woman and she could be lying about that right but if you shot her
00:45:01
you're a piece of [ __ ] if you knew Eugene shot her you're a piece of [ __ ] you know I mean if you know somebody
00:45:08
else did it oh yeah nobody's arguing nobody's arguing that I'm just clearing up that because she didn't pass the
00:45:14
polygraph doesn't mean that she was the the trigger man right she was the she has knowledge and that's pathetic you're
00:45:23
living with this man and you have knowledge that he either and again to me if you have knowledge of it and you're
00:45:30
not going to the police and then on top of that you're going to marry this guy it's like you're even a bigger piece of
00:45:36
[ __ ] than I thought you well you're a freaking [ __ ] too because look you're a
00:45:41
piece of [ __ ] for knowing and not going to the police you're a [ __ ] for marrying a guy that you know did
00:45:46
something terrible or was involved in something as heinous as a murder yeah and a lot of times they'll say don't get
00:45:52
involved that doesn't seem like a good person to shack up with right because you're you you would be the next in line
00:45:58
for what happened to Charice right that's like when two married couples are having an affair and then the people
00:46:04
that are having an affair get married and then they're jealous all the time because they know that what the person
00:46:10
is capable of well so now that you know he's capable of you know one not having a job and
00:46:18
sponging off his significant other uh living in the basement smoking his zigzags
00:46:24
uh you know he's capable of that you know he's also capable of lying for 14 years and having this affair you know
00:46:33
he's capable of buying property behind your back and now you know that he's capable of murder or hiring somebody for
00:46:40
murder conspiracy for murder so what's where's yourself worth you idiot you know so it's ridiculous and and and
00:46:51
I hope she hears this and goes you know what maybe maybe I could be in danger one day and I should go to the police
00:46:59
and say hey this is what I know because with the evidence they have and and take away the ping ping ping
00:47:06
evidence with the evidence they have and her confession yeah maybe you go to jail for a little
00:47:15
bit but they're gonna they'll make a deal with you and then he'll go to way he'll go away for a really long time
00:47:21
which will protect you I don't think this woman who would be in her late 50s I'm guessing based off of what we have
00:47:30
in front of us uh I don't believe that that now she would grow a brain after all of these
00:47:37
years of walking around on this planet bumping into walls and such but I think here and this is this is something that
00:47:44
is not going to help the case at all but this is where my questions lie is with the pouch the gun pouch the the
00:47:53
one that was made specifically to house the gun that killed Charisse charisse's gun yeah
00:48:01
I feel that it's very interesting for two reasons that those two things were separated I see no reason why they
00:48:09
should have been separated other than somebody was conspiring against Charisse for the sake of murder or
00:48:18
plotting by themselves her murder right and I think what's interesting I agree interesting thing
00:48:26
here is that Eugene is the one who reported it now I know we've said a lot of bad things about
00:48:34
Eugene and I've called him a lot of different names but at least in this situation he was smart
00:48:42
enough to identify and to recognize if they find these two items separately and away from one another I now have to
00:48:53
if I don't want to have to be the one to explain that away I might as well be the
00:48:57
one to report it to detectives that I found it at our home yeah I agree and where I'm going with this is is two
00:49:05
situations okay if Eugene was plotting was was conspiring with somebody else to shoot
00:49:13
and kill Charisse on the trail or or at some location if she was being followed maybe this location that night was not
00:49:21
planned it was just whenever you can pull it off do it but the reason for that pouch and that
00:49:28
gun to be in separate locations I I'm a gun owner I keep my guns in cases and and things of that nature I
00:49:37
have areas where I keep them if I see that case my assumption is because my gun is always in there unless
00:49:45
I'm using it the gun is in there meaning Charisse could could see potentially see that pouch at her home
00:49:54
and believe that her gun was in that pouch without checking it right meaning he could have had to give that gun to
00:50:01
the other person so that when opportunity comes a knocking his cons his conspirator has the weapon
00:50:09
on their person and can pull the trigger then and there right and leave the gun with Charisse right but he also had a
00:50:17
matching gun so he could have just taken her little gun person and put his gun in there you
00:50:23
know as a decoy correct correct and then to further that thought then the other thing is if in fact
00:50:29
Eugene was the trigger man maybe when he dumped the gun next to Charisse and he took off those winter
00:50:38
gloves that were found next to her body so his Prince or somebody else's Prince wouldn't be on the gun and dropped them
00:50:44
next to her body as well maybe he forgot to dump the pouch there as well and or maybe he forgot to bring it with
00:50:53
him that night and then later decided Well I got to account for this and rather than be the
00:51:00
one that has to explain it away maybe if I just report it they will not consider this to be part of of
00:51:08
of the large amount of circumstantial evidence that points to Eugene in closing the Charice Walker Bingham murder is now
00:51:20
a Cold Case The Walker family continues to hold vigils and conduct Facebook campaigns to
00:51:27
help bring attention to the case everyone remains hopeful that someone will come forward and do the right thing
00:51:36
we would like to thank detective Norvell and the Indiana State Police for all of
00:51:42
their hard work on this case and thank them again for taking time out of their very busy schedules to answer our
00:51:48
questions we wish the Walker family nothing but the best and would like to remind everyone that if you have any
00:51:57
information at all to please call the Indiana State Police at 1-800-453-4756 foreign
00:52:12
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