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garage and this is the case of Diane [Music] Schuler [Music] can you give a a more detailed
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description of what happened before she went off on the trip home what you what you had to eat together what
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conversation yeah come to the middle right from the moment you woke up I woke up that's 6 :00 went down to my
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boat to clean it out do what I got to do came back about 4 7 7:00 I woke her up saying we had to start cleaning the
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camper so we can start getting home before traffic she woke up started packing the
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bag slowly started waking the kids up slowly start getting the kids dressed we unloaded the camper all the bags outside
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the camper and I walk him to the car and we load him up we had a cup of coffee two cups of coffee and then we left do
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you remember your last words yeah I kissed everyone go bye and my wife thank [Music]
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you they were trying to locate the kids and they the best they could the best they could come up with was that they
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were on they were at the T Town rest center I'm trying to help a friend of mine uh his sister took his his girls
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camping they they're very young girls the oldest is nine the girl the girls just called in distress
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they said that the aunt is driving very erratically we think she's sick the aunt
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isn't picking up the cell phone right now the sister called she can't talk anymore there's three kids in the car
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they're trying to five they're trying to locate her the woman's name is Diane schulam and you just put it out to the
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postcard okay and see if they could locate her because the the the woman that's driving the car they think is
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having a medical emergency she cuz she called and then she couldn't talk anymore and she's got five kids in the
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car need to know whose name the car is registered to my car yeah with [Music] me most of you will know that uh from
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the trailer and from The Sound Clips involved in the trailer that today we are talking about the
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tonic Parkway crash that took place July 26 2009 now you're saying well this sounds like an accident Nick why uh
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sounds like an accident that you're doing the show but it also sounds like a a car accident however we back in uh at
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the end of October we did our uh very fun Halloween show if you've not checked that out go back and check that out but
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what we did was we both picked our top 10 favorite true crime documentaries and after that was released we had a lot of
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great feedback from the listeners stating you know oh I you've given me documentaries to watch and that I'm
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excited to check out uh have you seen this one have you seen that one and and overwhelmingly we got you we should
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check out there's something wrong with Aunt Diane yeah which I was originally released on
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HBO um and I watched it recently on Amazon Prime uh so there's some ways to to find that out and to watch it for
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yourself but as the captain said we had a ton of people saying this is one of my
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favorite uh quote unquote True Crime documentary so that's what we will be discussing today so well and we had uh
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one of my buddies Jess tell me you guys shouldn't cover this this is not a this is not a crime this is you know maybe
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drunk driving but like you were stating earlier to me um the police then they they ruled as a homicide yeah yeah
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according to the Westchester medical exam the crash was quickly ruled a homicide
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because all of the victims were killed due to Diane's driving regardless of the toxicology findings that that they would
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uh come up with weeks after the crash so to to set this up um Diane Schuler is the driver of of the vehicle that caused
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the accident that caused the crash and um she was born in 1973 she was the fourth child of Warren and eileene Hance
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uh she's the only girl in the family uh when Diane was about 9 years old her mother left the family now this would be
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something that she didn't seem to like to talk much about or to go into much detail of um but it sounds like her
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mother may have left with a neighbor man or a family friend MH um but after she leaves Diane kind of takes on some of
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the mother type roles I I hate to box that into the mo mother category cuz it's not mom's job to clean the house or
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clean the kitchen so I don't want any of that feedback but that's what took place
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took place in this situation her being the only girl she took on some of those duties that the the mother might have
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generally done beforehand now at some point in their lives the her and her brother's lives the mother did reappear
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and reach out to the different children and try to have some type of relationship with them make amends of
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some kind and I'm not certain at what point in their lives this took place but it sounds like that Diane was not
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accepting of her mother where the other children have some sort of relationship with her now however once she left the
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family and left Diane's life Diane chose not to let her back into hers Diane is described by friends and
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family as a very smart woman a hardworking uh she seemed to be the take charge kind of person her friends and
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family all said that if there was any kind of situation regardless of family or what what you were out to be doing
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that day she was always taking charge of each situation uh she as we said hardworking she worked her way up the
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ladder at a big business uh she worked for cable vision uh and she was the director of credit billing and
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Collections and she earned approximately like $100,000 a year so she was a driven
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person she was successful uh she was married to Daniel Schuler and her and Daniel um they had two kids together and
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uh they worked opposite schedules though Daniel was a uh security guy and he worked which is you know primarily a
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night job and that's what he worked he worked lots of nights uh and Diane worked more traditional hours with uh
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her job at the cable vision company as we said Daniel and Diane had two children these were young children a
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young daughter and young son uh at the time of this crash um and she they also had three
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nieces and the way that what they were doing this weekend what led up to this was they had taken a family camping trip
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okay and they took the three nie along the typical you know you park your trailer at a little spot and maybe
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there's a lake and and the shers they had a boat so they're going to out on the boat yeah it's it's it's a summer
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you know it's the summer months it's July it's a you know probably great weather you get out on the boat with
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your family and you have a great time well on Sunday it's time to leave this is Sunday July 26th and around 9:30 a.m.
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uh Diane left the hunter Lake Campground now she's driving a 2003 Ford Windstar van this is a red color van with the ski
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rack uh and it's not her van it's a vehicle that was borrowed from Warren and Jackie hands um Warren is her
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brother and they are also the um parents of the three nieces three daughters so in the vehicle with Diane were uh her
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5-year-old son Brian her 2-year-old daughter Aaron and as said her three nieces this is Emma who is 8 years old
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Alison who is seven and Kate who is only 5 years old now Daniel her husband is leaving the campgrounds that day as well
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at the exact same time as a matter of fact but he's in a truck and he's going to be traveling alone um and a witness
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at the campground who had seen them that morning and saw them leaving said that everything appeared to be normal this is
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just a family packing up and heading home for from a great weekend trip well and like you heard in the trailer Daniel
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is talking about their you know what happened when they woke up they woke up had a couple cup cup of coffee you know
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a couple cups of coffee uh then he goes down to the boat he does what he needs to get done and and wraps that all up
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and probably connects the boat to the truck trailer mhm and then she's going going to take off separate so again he's
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he's claiming that there was nothing odd about there was no fight there was no argument going on um and she packed up
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the stuff and packed up the kids and went on their way MH and the the general idea here is that Daniel's going to head
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straight home um he's you know he's got the truck and he's going to go straight home and now Diane with uh with the
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children is going to stop off at McDonald's to get breakfast or get something for her and the kids to eat MH
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um so they make their stop at the McDonald's restaurant and um the cashier there says that he remembers seeing
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Diane and the children and that nothing seemed to be abnormal to him um and uh you know I'm going to go ahead and throw
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this out there because you know foreshadowing away you know set aside but he he straight up says you know she
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did not seem intoxicated or under the influence of anything nor does he smell any alcohol on her breath yeah but I
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mean I gone through McDonald's drive-thru at night mhm intoxicated I I don't promote drinking and driving but
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sometimes it happens uh Buzz driving is drunk driving um the to me is there much
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weight to this eyewitness not much and the reason why I think that is because the exchange is going to be so quick
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right you know you're going to you go to window one you give the your money you go to window two grab your food how how
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much do you actually talk to the the person handing you your food and even if you go into the restaurant itself it it
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you know it's 9:30 on a Sunday right it people I don't even like McDonald's but I find myself there for breakfast about
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once's nothing wrong with MC every other month um you know cuz it's convenient and it's there and it's quick and I'm
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sure like said there's so many people in and out of there that he may or may not
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by the way you went to McDonald's today I I did I did by the way um so they stop
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at the McDonald's and nothing seems to be abnormal to anybody now at 10:46 a.m. Diane stops at a sonoko gas station uh
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and this she goes in and she asks for some kind of pain medication this would be your typical over-the-counter type P
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pain medication I don't know what type she specifically asked for I'm guessing maybe Advil or something of that nature
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but for whatever reason the sonoko did not carry uh the pain medication that she was looking for now she did speak
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with the gas station attendant and he says that uh again everything seemed normal here you know she doesn't seem to
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be intoxicated or acting strangely to him and right and unless she has an allergy of some kind to a different pain
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medicine like to me if her pain was that bad if it was a headache I mean to me it
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doesn't matter if it's Tylenol or Advil you know I just normally just use the one that are paying us you know to you
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know present their brand to our listeners but uh so to to me I find that odd where if
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if she was in pain and they say well we don't have this kind but we have this other kind then why don't you just take
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that other kind right right that seems strange to me CU so maybe she wasn't in that much pain maybe it just a headache
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or and and and again we won't know this but what what if she wasn't in pain what
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if she was stopping to get uh you know pain medicine for one of the kids you know maybe she asked for and this here's
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the thing with with eyewitness accounts would this change the whole you know speculation and the whole conspiracy and
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all that kind of stuff with this crash if she was act ask you know what if she was asking for Children's Tylenol mhm
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and then she said well we don't have that right you know but she didn't then when she's talking to the cops she
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doesn't register all she has for Children's Tylenol yeah and so far nothing out of the ordinary here but now
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the next spot on the time line is where things I think things start to seem weird to me you know so now that we're
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at 11:37 a.m. and Diane using her cell phone calls Jackie H uh this is the mother of the nieces that are traveling
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with her and she calls basically just to say you know we're running later than we
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expected U I'll have the girls home later than expected the reason why this starts to get weird to me here Captain
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is it's 11:37 you know according to Daniel they left the campground at 9:30 so now we're over the two hour mark
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since they've been gone and I've heard that this is supposed to be like a 35 minute maybe 40 minute trip home uh I
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understand that they stopped at the McDonald's and now they're making a second stop at the Sonoco but but still
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we're starting to see an amount of time elapse that seems seems a little more than necessary to me yeah well I think
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one like I I tell everybody you know go forward by minutes or back five minutes and you're going to be a little off but
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I mean you know McDonald's parking it's it's not a drive-thru you know at 9:30 in the morning or 10:00 in the morning
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it's it's a parking lot M so how long did they spend there I I don't know they could have stayed and eight there or
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eight in the car um that would take up some time especially these being young children you would have to help them
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assist them make sure that you don't end up with ketchup smeared all over the back seat yeah or you stop and you eat
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in the parking lot and then you take everybody in to use the restroom so I mean but again I I'm starting to see a
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time elapse here that seems a little more than it seems a little fishy well at 12:00 p.m. at noon um by this time
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Diane and well quick question when she makes the phone call um to the girl's mother is she able to like finish the
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conversation it's like a complete conversation yeah it's a complete conversation basically just stating that
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they're running l later than expected and she'll have the girls home later than expected okay uh by noon they have
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made their way this is Diane in the red uh Ford Windstar van along with the children they've made their way to
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Interstate 87 now we have an eyewitness here as well his name is Gerald Sal salero sorry and he is driving in a
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vehicle as well he's traveling south on Interstate 887 when he says that a vehicle came up on him rather quickly
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this is the red Ford WI star van and the vehicle started jumping back and forth between two lanes yeah it's going from
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the right lane to the center lane back to the right lane exactly and it's changing the vehicle's changing lanes
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very aggressively but he also claims that it was precise M that it wasn't like swerving aggressively shift the lanes
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more like somebody trying to get somewhere fast right um aggressively changing lanes and he can see the driver
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it's a female driver and she appears to be holding on to the wheel as normal and
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but he says intensely focusing on the road is what he could tell um this is the first incident where we start having
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reports of some something going on in the vehicle that there's some erratic driving going on that leads us to 12:13
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p.m. we have another iwitness involved here now we're at the location of the Herman toll plaza now the witness here
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is Francis Bagley and he's driving in his vehicle and his vehicle is in front of the red Ford Windstar van uh and he
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states that Diane's car the van was so close to his that he could not see her headlights you know so she's tailgating
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him basically no that's the worst and he can't see her headlights uh and she starts to honk the car at Francis in his
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vehicle honk the horn and she's she's honking yeah so honking as if the tell him to get out of the way um and at some
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point she pulls out onto the shoulder as if she's going to pass him in that way however she does not pass him instead of
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passing him she just simply pulls back into the lane and once again she is behind Francis now Francis describes the
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driving to his wife that's with him you know he says this person must be some kind of nut because you know she's she's
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all over the road she's honking the horn at me and she's trying to pass using the
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shoulder this is some kind of nut that's behind right but I mean we I think we all can agree I mean people that use
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their horn excessively are are crazy people it's like it's like when you're sitting at a light and it turns green
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and somebody starts honking right away right like shut up okay just shut up get up that's not what the purpose of the
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horn is for well she continues to honk the horn at at francis's car don't be that person and this is as he is pulling
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off of the uh off of the throughway there right and they're going to a rest stop now this is one of those larger
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rest stops the kind where there's a parking section for the semi-trucks and parking for regular Vehicles now Francis
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and his wife Jean they continue straight ahead which leads them to the general parking area and Diane who is still
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behind them she now actually pulls off into the truck parking area uh this is where Jean sees Diane open up to van and
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she gets Diane get out of the van and she says that Diane was possibly getting sick you know maybe possibly throwing up
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um Jean sees Diane kind of hunched over in in a manner that would allude that she's probably getting sick on the side
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of the physically ill and and so then the whole thing is that they go into the rest stop and then when they come out
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they're thinking you know well maybe we're going to see her and then maybe we'll confront her at this point they
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don't really they're not very sure that there's children in the vehicle right because all they see is Diane and as the
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captain said um you know Francis and Jean say that they did not see Diane or see the driver or the vehicle again
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because uh Francis had every intention of confronting the driver you know and and saying hey maybe back it off a
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little bit you know yeah or stop being an [ __ ] yeah right but he doesn't have that
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opportunity uh at 12:55 p.m. uh this is where we start seeing some more activity
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with Diane's phone there is a wrong number that is called uh and dialed from Diane's phone mhm um shortly after that
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this puts us at 1:1 p.m. you know they they kind of don't go over this point but to me I wonder you know one is it
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one of those phones where you just like dial the numbers and then once you get to a certain number it just dials maybe
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maybe it's a pocket dial H you know what I mean or was it like an area code that
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somewhat made sense yeah or or is it she's Mis dialing the phone because she's getting sick and I mean getting
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sick is no easy thing I mean like you can't really do a whole lot of other things when when you're going through
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that yeah especially if it's vomiting yeah you know yeah and so at 1:01 p.m. Diane calls uh Warren Hance now remember
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this is Diane's brother and on this call Diane um as described as Warren he says that she sounds disheveled
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almost incoherent at times uh and she even calls her brother Warren she calls him Daniel which of course is Diane's
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husband's name um Warren is concerned because he can hear the kids in the background and they sound like they are
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crying and he is getting extremely worried about the children and his sister uh so he tells her you know what
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Diane it sounds like you got something going on here why don't you stay put and I will come up there and I will go and
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get you and I will get the kids it's also around this time that the oldest niece um remember this is 8-year-old
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Emma uh she is on the phone with her parents and she is saying that there is something wrong with Aunt Diane um and
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that you know so she's on the phone with either her father or mother or both and
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she's telling them a few different things um that that that Aunt Diane can't see and that there there's
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something wrong with Aunt Diane now remember Warren had just shortly got off the phone with Diane stating stay where
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you are right you know I'm going to come and get you and get the kids well let's
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GameChanger break and we're back and where we left off we had just talked about these phone calls that are
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happening okay so we have the the call with Emma she's the oldest girl she's only eight years old she's in the Ford
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wiar van with Diane who's driving and she's called her parents to say that there's something wrong with Aunt Diane
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that uh she can't see and it sounds like they're in need of help here now Diane was on the phone with Warren her brother
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and this is the phone call where Warren says that she sounded incoherent and that she's calling him by the wrong name
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yeah and he can hear the children crying in the background and this phone call only takes place for about two to two
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and a half minutes and it ends pretty abruptly here um at 1:10 p.m. someone dials through three wrong numbers from
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Diane's phone we' already seen the call take place earlier where a wrong number was dialed from her phone now we're
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seeing three this is happening three times now shortly after 1:00 mhm at 1:15 Warren is trying to reach his sister
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he's calling her back uh but thinking about this Panic State yeah I mean your your sister which we we H from all the
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accounts and the documentary it seems like you know pretty a normal mother pretty normal person uh and now you're
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trying to get a hold of her and she's you know talking gibberish on your last call now you're trying to get a hold of
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her and it's mainly going to straight to voicemail MH yeah and and like you said
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not only pretty normal person but we had said driven you know and we seeing a a situation where her and her husband
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don't work the same hours and so she's probably the mom that's putting in the more time and carrying the heavy load of
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being a mother parent and taking care of the kids while he's working nights and not only that she must be a good parent
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because who would let their three daughters go with her on a weekend camping trip if she wasn't you know so
00:31:13
this is this is something that's of a surprise to Warren and and like you said the Panic here you don't you're on the
00:31:20
other end of the phone and you don't know what's going on you have no control over what's happening on the other end
00:31:26
and you're only getting information from uh your daughter who's very young that doesn't really know what's going on and
00:31:32
from your your sister who is not making any sense to you you have the situation where you're concerned about what's
00:31:38
going on yet you you have no control over it and your children are there and and they be in danger yeah and at 1:15
00:31:46
p.m. as we said Warren's trying to reach his sister and this phone call just goes
00:31:50
straight to her voicemail uh by this time Diane has made it just past the tapenz Bridge toll area and there is a
00:31:59
little pull off section there where you can pull your car off and she must have pulled off there because later someone
00:32:05
would find Diane's cell phone on one of those like wasti high barrier divider type things uh she had placed her phone
00:32:14
on top of that barrier when P while pulled over it is also thought that she may have been getting sick again at this
00:32:21
time uh to this point her route her route is just really what you would expect her to take you know the route
00:32:29
from the campground to her home um and that that's what's strange here to me because here she is in route going from
00:32:37
the campgrounds to her home and it's it's taking a considerable amount of time again well right but we have her
00:32:44
stopping at the rest stop now she's stopping at the shoulder but but to our knowledge she's not lost or she's not
00:32:50
taking a wrong turn or anything like that she is following the route uh pretty well here but it's about this
00:32:57
time that Diane would Veer off of that route authorities are not quite sure what route Diane would have taken to get
00:33:05
to the tonic State Parkway area as there are several options for this but by this
00:33:11
time she is now nearing the tonic State Parkway area and she is no longer in route to her home after these strange
00:33:19
phone calls and Diane and the kids are being gone much longer than expected Diane's brother James and her and
00:33:26
Diane's h husband Daniel they are not they are now out driving and they are going to go out looking for Diane now
00:33:34
Diane is seen driving on an exit ramp now this is where cars are trying to exit the State Parkway and she is
00:33:43
basically using the exit ramp to enter the State Parkway Peter and Elaine Royal are driving that day they're exit
00:33:51
attempting to exit off of the State Park Parkway and they encounter Diane who is
00:33:56
driving right at them almost like they're not even there like she doesn't see them at all now Peter who is driving
00:34:02
he starts flashing his lights and hitting the car horn and trying to to let the other vehicle know you know
00:34:10
you're in our way we're we're trying to get off of this ramp here and you're going the wrong way and basically she
00:34:17
keeps going straight at them directly at them and they are forced off the road and into the grass just to avoid a
00:34:24
collision Peter and Elaine then see Diane's vehicle go around the bend and onto the tonic State Parkway so now
00:34:34
Diane has the vehicle the van with the children in the vehicle and she's heading south in the northbound lane and
00:34:42
now we're going to start getting a bunch of phone calls to 911 claiming hey some
00:34:47
some lunatic is out here driving the wrong way on the freeway yeah and some of those calls they're going to report
00:34:53
her the vehicle traveling at about 70 mph hour um going the wrong way and so let's think about this Diane is she
00:35:02
drives 1.7 miles the wrong way in the fast lane mind you so she is only on the parkway for less than 2 minutes
00:35:12
traveling at that speed mhm she hits a vehicle the Ford Windstar van hits a vehicle and this vehicle is like a gray
00:35:21
Chevy Trailblazer type vehicle and um inside that vehicle there are three men in there um guy bardi he's 49 years old
00:35:30
Michael bardi who's 81 and Daniel Longo who's 74 they it's a head-on collision you
00:35:37
know so if they are both if she's going 70 m per hour we could assume that the other vehicle's probably traveling about
00:35:44
that same rate of speed so they're both traveling and they hit each other head on and so that's that's two vehicles
00:35:51
hitting one another at 140 miles hour now guy bastard's vehicle then hits a third vehicle Diane's van then travels
00:36:02
off the road down the hill and it begins to burn the van is by the time that that
00:36:08
people can reach this van to try to assist the van is like fully engulfed in flames the front of the vehicle is fully
00:36:15
engulfed in flames yeah and there are two gentlemen these let's let's tag them Good Samaritans um they are going to try
00:36:23
to save Diane and the kids and they are attempting to pull the driver and the passengers from the burning vehicle now
00:36:31
they do have some trouble with this you know these doors aren't going to open very easily this if anybody seen a
00:36:36
picture of this vehicle was in terrible condition and but they are able to somehow get the driver out who is Diane
00:36:44
and her body pretty much just it just kind of like falls out of the vehicle you know and it's not she's not showing
00:36:51
any signs of life at all now the kids are in another portion of the vehicle and the way that these two gentlemen
00:36:59
describe it is that they're kind of just like piled up on one another and they are going to start pulling the children
00:37:06
from the vehicle and checking their Vital Signs and as they're doing so the men are realizing that the um just like
00:37:14
the driver that the child passengers seem to be dead as well they're not responding to anything uh when the men
00:37:21
get to the bottom of the pile they find the body of a little boy uh but he is actually still alive thank God and he's
00:37:28
fighting for his life uh the men then check the other vehicles they they go over to the gray Trailblazer and this is
00:37:36
where they find guy bastardy Michael bastardy and Daniel Longo they find those three gentlemen and they are all
00:37:43
deceased at this point also on that day uh along with the the three gentlemen that were in the great Trailblazer we
00:37:52
also have Diane Schuler the driver of the van she was 36 she passed away that day as well as her daughter Aaron and
00:37:59
her three nieces which are Kate Allison and Emma so we have this horrific scene we have uh eight dead it seems like
00:38:08
they're eight dead at the scene we now have all these weird events that happened prior to this we have all
00:38:18
the eyewitnesses accounts of uh Diane driving on the wrong side of the road and now it becomes well what happened we
00:38:28
we need answers for this yeah we need to figure out why there are eight people who have lost their lives we have we
00:38:35
have one Soul Survivor uh which is Brian which is Diane's son uh he suffered several broken bones and a severe head
00:38:44
uh injury and Trauma and he ends up remaining uh he's in the hospital for over two months uh he like I said he he
00:38:52
sustained a serious head injury in the crash and as a result he suffers from uh nerve pulsy in his eye which affects the
00:38:59
movement in his right eye uh and of course he's undergone surgeries and stuff like that to try to help him
00:39:06
recover from that injury but but as said we need to figure out why okay why was Diane driving like this why was she
00:39:14
going the wrong way on on a road she had probably been on several times before yes she is driving a vehicle that may be
00:39:21
strange to her right um you know you ever notice that when you when you borrow somebody car you don't really
00:39:27
know how to turn on the windshield wipers or you know maybe you accidentally turn on the lights instead
00:39:32
of the windshield wipers yeah but you're not going to drive the wrong way on a freeway because you're baring a car
00:39:37
right um and my you know my initial thought on all this is you know some kind of stroke you know that's what it
00:39:45
seems like to me maybe uh you know uh with with the children you know claiming that she's having a hard time
00:39:52
seeing um and she seems disoriented on on some level so is it a stroke is it oncoming heart attack but the but what's
00:40:04
so strange for me is why does she keep driving why doesn't she stop yeah and maybe and then when we talk about when
00:40:12
she goes onto this different path because I don't know the area is she trying to reach somebody and was it that
00:40:20
she felt bad and felt sick and and thought well I'm just going to try to get home and then at some point it's
00:40:26
like I can't get home and it's that fight ORF flight mentality and it's now I'm going to just try to get help I'm
00:40:31
going to try to go to the hospital or something mhm uh but but if it's a stroke maybe and again I'm not a doctor
00:40:40
or a nurse I'm a captain okay I know about boats that's about it but you know is she so delusional from this on onset
00:40:52
of a stroke but wouldn't we be able to see that in the medical records yeah well and they you know and the
00:40:59
other thing too is why did this trip that that should have taken about 35 minutes you know plus some time for
00:41:05
stopping off but we're talking 4 hours the crash took place at 1:35 p.m. they left at 9:30 you know this is four hours
00:41:14
has elapsed here um so let me introduce the the attorney that um that the family
00:41:22
the Scher family would be working with after the accident his name is Dominic Barber and um he some people might know
00:41:31
him from the Howard Stern Show he used to be I don't I don't know if he was friends with Howard Stern if he was a
00:41:36
friend of the show but he used to be on there from time to time he's kind of a uh let's say lawyer to some some some
00:41:44
Stars maybe some entertainers um but uh he he would come out very shortly afterwards with a press conference and
00:41:53
him and Daniel um Diane's husband are going to say that we don't understand what happened because in the in the
00:42:01
autopsy that followed they they did an autopsy this the day after the crash yeah and it was pretty quickly
00:42:08
determined that she had some things in her system that that you know she had alcohol in her system THC in her system
00:42:15
so she had a blood alcohol level of .9 which is roughly about 10 drinks now I don't know if that's 10 beers or 10
00:42:24
shots uh there was uh vodka a bottle of vodka found in the van so one could assume that if she was drinking that's
00:42:33
what she was drinking 0. n and then she was also found with some uh THC in her system as well it's 0.1 n 0.
00:42:43
one nine yeah 0 n she would have expired a long time before but uh so blood blood
00:42:49
alcohol content for her was. n um and she also tested high for a high level of THC and as the captain said we're
00:42:59
talking about to get to that level it's approximately you know you got to factor
00:43:04
in weight and all these other things but once you figure that out it factors in that she probably had about 10 drinks 10
00:43:10
alcoholic drinks well I'm operating at 0.9 all the time well we all know from health class but you know let's review
00:43:18
real quick what that alcohol level means for most or all of us so 06 to .1% uh what you will experience is
00:43:27
reduced information processing uh impaired reflexes impaired depth perception okay the inability to judge
00:43:34
distances uh your peripheral vision and speed control all those things are going
00:43:39
to be impaired uh now once you get a little bit higher from 0.11 to 0.20% uh you have everything that we
00:43:48
just talked about plus your reaction time is now severely impaired your motor control is severely impaired and you are
00:43:56
probably staggering or and experiencing slurred speech now 3 to 39 it is likely that you will die at that level so she's
00:44:07
at 0. one n that should give you an idea of the level of intoxification that she
00:44:12
had now that we mentioned the THC on top of that keep in mind that alcohol increases the absorption of THC meaning
00:44:18
that it can enhance it so they believe due to the high THC levels that she would have smoked marijuana or ingested
00:44:27
marijuana sometime between 15 minutes to 1 hour before the crash took place yeah
00:44:33
and I mean this is all confusing to me because again I mean the husband is saying yeah okay well she would smoke
00:44:40
pot occasionally and uh she would drink occasionally so this is very abnormal and
00:44:48
again I don't know M maybe she had a migraine or something maybe she was trying to
00:44:54
self-medicate it's kind of a very strange thing to be driving kids and trying to self-medicate she doesn't seem
00:45:02
to be that type of person well there the family's attorney as well as the husband
00:45:07
would say that Diane is not an alcoholic she was not an alcoholic she rarely had
00:45:12
a drink um they both claim that Diane's erratic driving was due to a medical issue they believe she may have suffered
00:45:19
a stroke right uh they also have stated that Diane suffered from diabetes but this is rumored who have been just uh
00:45:28
gestational uh diabetes which is like a temporary Condition it's not you know chronic condition uh well you know I'm
00:45:36
just going to go off on a on rant for a minute I had a really good friend of mine guy that was in good shape um
00:45:43
played gigs with him he he would drive down from Cleveland and he um was not diagnosed with diabetes and he was
00:45:53
driving home and pretty much was hallucinating for I again I'm not a freaking Doctor so don't don't judge me
00:46:05
um but he was driving home and basically like hallucinating he didn't have any clue of what's Happening pretty much was
00:46:11
blacking out and then he pulls over on the side of the road or almost wrecks and a two-hour drive it took him
00:46:20
um hours and hours and hours to get home mhm same type of situation he didn't go
00:46:26
you know on to head-on traffic or anything but then because of that incident they were he was checked out
00:46:34
and he was diagnosed with diabetes so that you know was her condition getting worse and
00:46:42
and on on another onset yeah but the you know we have the autopsy that's conducted just the day after the crash
00:46:51
right okay and that's red flags everywhere yeah and in the family in the attorney are bringing up all these
00:46:57
possible health issues or health reason being the cause for her driving that day
00:47:03
uh they even bring up a tooth absence that she had uh for about seven weeks prior to her death um apparently this
00:47:11
was something that was going untreated um but in the in the actual autopsy they specifically state that the
00:47:21
medical examiner found that she had not suffered that Diana not suffered from a stroke an aneurism or a heart attack so
00:47:29
those three things are ruled out right there and the what the glaring red flags are here is the alcohol level as well as
00:47:36
the THC levels well and what's confusing is is there's a part of you that does doesn't want to believe that this
00:47:43
autopsy is real you I mean like they there they make these claims and then maybe they're
00:47:49
just wrong mhm or or maybe they got mixed up somehow you know this paperwork got shuffled with paperwork wrong name
00:47:58
you know different different autopsy I you know the that is a possibility the likelihood of that I would say is pretty
00:48:06
slim to none right and then we have the finding of the vodka bottle right which the husband claims you know yeah we have
00:48:15
vodka bottle and it's and the camper and you know we' go out and you know at night when the kids go to sleep we might
00:48:22
have a couple drinks that's pretty normal mhm uh he thought it was odd that it was in the van yeah so here's a
00:48:30
little clip of the husband being interviewed by Larry King talking about this vodka
00:48:37
bottle Daniel how do you explain the Vodka we usually will keep it in our camper throughout the whole
00:48:47
season one bottle why why you know you have peanut coladas you sit by a campire marshall what was the vodka bottle doing
00:48:56
in a car my wife packed all the bags that day in the camper and leaves them by the door I carry him from the camper
00:49:06
to the trucks I'm very surprised that the vodka bottle was in there I had no idea I don't does it give you does it
00:49:14
give you pause to think that maybe just maybe she was a drinker and you didn't know it I've been for 13 years
00:49:23
absolutely not Daniel why here why keep on doing this the truth the truth will come out well Larry you have to
00:49:31
understand Danny doesn't want the other families to think that a drunk driver killed their families that's why we are
00:49:38
out to prove that she try to prove that she wasn't drunk so basically we have this autopsy saying that she had this
00:49:45
high blood alcohol level and then she also had some weed in our system and now we have this husband saying okay again
00:49:53
we're going to try to this is not not true so again so maybe there's that possibility that the autopsy just they
00:50:01
messed up somehow did the wrong autopsy on the wrong person the likelihood of that doesn't seem like much and then in
00:50:09
the documentary you see a psychologist talk about sometimes when a tragic event happens that people go on the other side
00:50:17
of the spectrum so all this bad thing happened now they're dead and now we don't think anything bad of them and we
00:50:24
go to saood right so she was a saint she was this great mother and maybe there was some things that were going on in
00:50:32
her life and the husband didn't know mhm and that's a good possibility and then if with this abep tooth anybody that's
00:50:40
had a root canal or needed a root canal that is one of the most painful things that you can go through and maybe it was
00:50:46
only for a couple weeks and she's now driving home and she's in a bunch of pain and for some reason she oh well if
00:50:54
I take a couple shots maybe that helps I mean that doesn't make a lot of sense but I don't know how much pain she was
00:51:00
in I mean we know that she stopped to get some kind of Adil or something but it's you know it doesn't line much of
00:51:09
this doesn't line up but that also brings up a good point here could she have been a could she have been a
00:51:15
functioning alcoholic without her husband knowing you know is he is he just going on the Forefront here and and
00:51:22
taking one for the team and standing up for her bring up her you know things her
00:51:28
her bad things for her now that she's gone or or did he not even know you know um well and like we talked about before
00:51:35
they worked o opposite schedules so it is possible I and I agree with that statement because and I'll tell you what
00:51:42
here's the thing too for for alcoholics that are hiding their alcoholism vodka can be the the choice alol right because
00:51:51
right and you normally don't smell it and so you go through smell it it's something that you can kind of put in
00:51:57
everything else that you drink um you know I I have firsthand um an experience with a alcoholism well no with a person
00:52:06
that that was hiding their alcoholism uh and now thank God this person is in great health and has fully recovered and
00:52:12
no longer drinks but for years this guy he he drank and he hid it from his family and he used to what he would do
00:52:20
is vodka was his choice as well because not because he loved vodka but because he could hide it easily from the family
00:52:27
and you know he would go outside to take a smoke break and he would keep a bottle
00:52:31
of gar hidden in the garage or outside somewhere he'd go outside and smoke a cigarette and chug a little bit of vodka
00:52:38
each time well they only caught on to this because eventually he started falling over and uh having some some
00:52:45
health problems and but he was able to hide this from them for years well my big question is is this the is this the
00:52:53
vodka bottle from the camper right you know because the family is not going to come out and go well you know what we
00:52:58
looked in the camper and guess what we saw bottle of vodka cuz that to me if there's still a bottle of vodka in the
00:53:05
camper and there was one in the van and we'll never know that because they do have an agenda I mean they say so at the
00:53:11
end of that clip we're we're coming out we're trying to prove we're going to prove that she was having a stroke or
00:53:18
something and she wasn't alcoholic or she didn't have a drug problem and again maybe that drug problem wasn't you know
00:53:26
uh you know her mother left her I don't know why her mom left her maybe her mother had a drinking problem who knows
00:53:32
and she didn't talk about it and this husband didn't you know bring it up and didn't pry into this which you know
00:53:40
whatever I think you should know your wife a little bit better than that but uh but maybe her mom had some drinking
00:53:46
problems who knows but that's a very good possibility there's also a possibility that this bottle of vodka
00:53:53
had nothing to do with a bottle that was in the camper maybe there wasn't even a
00:53:57
bottle in the camper maybe this bottle could have just been something she kept stashed away on her on in her own
00:54:02
belongings or in the vehicle that she was driving that it was in fact something that she was hiding from
00:54:07
everybody right now the other question is the weed we have alcohol that was found in our system uh
00:54:15
.19 and then now we have this this weed which would be more potent because she was drinking is what the uh coiner was
00:54:24
saying so this is the husband's uh answer about the weed on a rare occasion she would but definitely not that
00:54:32
weekend absolutely not was it something she used to relax was it something she used for stress was
00:54:39
it something she used for on an occasion on an occasion to relax that's all not true everything you
00:54:47
hear it is not true when did she use marijuana she use it when she was at work she use it at no
00:54:53
no it was I think mostly to be be able to get a good night's sleep I think it was after everything
00:54:58
was done clothes were iron laundry is done kids are in bed books are read everything was done and maybe she'd have
00:55:04
some before she went to sleep it wasn't like you'd ever think she you know you never look at her and think she smoked
00:55:11
pot but some people do did she ever discuss it with you like why she took it or what was it no I just
00:55:18
knew that she smells okay somebody please tell me what a weed person looks like cuz that's what
00:55:27
I hear in the interview she well I mean if you looked at her she didn't if you looked at her she didn't look like
00:55:32
somebody that smoked the weed what does a weed person look like okay first of all and then the husband this is what
00:55:39
drives me nuts is the husband says occasionally occasionally occasionally she smoke the pot occasionally she do
00:55:46
that and but she don't look like a weed person right okay and then at the end of
00:55:53
the interview that lady is is saying well but I knew she smoked pot so she obviously smoked enough pot that this
00:56:00
person was well aware of it more aware of it than it seems like the husband was yeah again I think this is the Saum
00:56:07
thing uh she never would have done this well the here's here's a couple things that I noticed about that clip in
00:56:13
particular okay there was more telling things about that of the THC clip than the alcohol clip for me and here's the
00:56:21
two things that pointed out one is what I didn't hear in the clip okay when when
00:56:26
I read the report the medical examiner report that says to have a THC level that that was that high she must have
00:56:34
consumed the marijuana within 15 minutes to an hour before the crash well that puts her in the company of four children
00:56:44
yeah what I did not hear In that clip was her husband saying yeah she smoked pot but she would have never have done
00:56:50
it around the children I didn't hear that in the clip because my first thought is you know we we all know
00:56:56
people that smoke some weed you know but but but here's the thing do we do we know people do I know people that smoke
00:57:04
weed around their children no because I wouldn't be friends with those people right you know what I mean that would be
00:57:09
the first like big red flag to me saying these are small children these are small
00:57:13
children and I don't know how the editor cut up this sound bite or took his interview and and cut it up but the
00:57:21
thing is I wanted to hear that in that clip I wanted to hear that she would have never done that in front of the
00:57:26
children because you spend the whole documentary telling me what a good mother and what a good wife and a good
00:57:31
person she was however I did not hear she would have never have done that in front of the children now what I did
00:57:37
hear In that clip was the sister-in-law stating that well yeah she smoked it sometimes to get a good night's sleep
00:57:43
well that was a red flag to me too why because of something you and I had discussed earlier we had said Daniel
00:57:50
says his wife is not an alcoholic Daniel says that his wife only smokes weed occasionally Daniel is at work four or
00:57:57
five maybe six nights a week at night time when she is done with her workday when she is done taking care of the
00:58:04
children who knows who knows could she perceive could she been smoking pot and drinking every night after she put the
00:58:11
young children to bed and black out or have some horrible alcoholism problem or addiction problems that he was unaware
00:58:20
of I think it's possible because of their separate schedules well also I mean he's he's a man you know he's how
00:58:28
much is he paying attention to his wife I don't know I'm just going to assume not a lot you know but I mean that's
00:58:35
just where I'm going with and uh it's but no but I think we throw people under the bus like I mean people drink around
00:58:42
their kids and we don't shame them super hard you know I think uh I'm not saying
00:58:48
that you should be you know passing a joint around when your kids are in the room but um but no I yeah this is just
00:58:54
very odd now among after hiring the attorney the family would then hire a private investigator or investigative
00:59:02
firm to to kind of they want to discredit the autopsy findings and they want to bring to light that they that
00:59:11
their mom and their wife was not an alcoholic she was not drunk she was not high when this crash happened that this
00:59:18
was a medical there was some kind of medical reason for this crash right which makes a lot of logical sense I
00:59:25
mean like I said I mean the thing about the diabetes or a stroke or something of
00:59:29
that nature and I'm not faulting the husband because if the husband is not aware of this stuff then how how can he
00:59:38
address the problem and so this could essentially be the first time that he's actually hearing about this being a
00:59:46
problem and and what he's going off is if he loves this person and obviously loved his kids and one of his kids died
00:59:55
in it and the other kid you know went through uh you know all these surgeries and and almost didn't make it and then
01:00:01
his three nieces died in this MH so I'm I'm not faing him for going well what what the [ __ ] happened right and and if
01:00:09
it is the first time of him learning about any of this then his first reaction is going to be going I can't
01:00:16
believe it I can't believe it it's just like when somebody you know is married and their spouse is living a separate
01:00:23
life maybe for a year maybe for a couple years and when it all comes out in the wash they can't believe it because they
01:00:31
didn't see it coming and maybe that is what's happening here it's just with an addiction problem yeah yeah and and but
01:00:39
there's also that level of denial too amongst the survivors um but back to the private investigator the the the Schuler
01:00:47
family they hired uh Tom Ruskin and his investigative firm um they end up complain laining quite a bit about um
01:00:56
about this investigative firm and Tom Ruskin uh they really don't think that he did anything other than take their
01:01:03
money obviously the family wants answers right but this is seems like it's very spearheaded by J Scher the other Aunt
01:01:10
the sister-in-law of Daniel and so when they get this lawyer involved and they get this investigator involved the
01:01:17
investigator starts asking for $10,000 $155,000 and she has to get the other family members involved to in order to
01:01:25
pay for this yeah I think he ends up charging them close to $330,000 in the end right and what did he do I I'm not
01:01:31
really for sure and this guy just seems kind of like a scumbag because in the documentary when the when the film is
01:01:39
the filmmakers are trying to get him to do an interview it's just not worth our time uh $25,000 $225,000 to be on a on a
01:01:49
documentary like documentaries don't make any money they don't have any docu you know Ken Burns is not some you know
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billionaire I'll do a documentary for 1,500 bucks I'll do one for 50 bucks in case of beer I agree with you Captain
01:02:02
when when they play that part where Tom ruskin's on the phone with the documentarian and being asked if he
01:02:09
would be you know present the story or his findings to the documentary and he and he gives that answer of well they
01:02:16
want 20 or $25,000 to be on the documentary that was a very slime ball answer in my opinion I understand that
01:02:23
you want to get paid for your time and that you are running a business but but you've already been paid by the family
01:02:30
you know this benefits the family uh you were paid to release your findings to the family um so it was a very slimeball
01:02:39
answer in my opinion now he would go on to state that the investigation included
01:02:43
interviewing Diane's family and friends canvasing the campground in the driving route for leads and obtaining the video
01:02:50
footage from the sonoko station and according to to Tom Ruskin all monies were spent on those activities as well
01:02:58
as additional lab test now I will say those lab tests are not cheap first of all and second of all to his credit they
01:03:06
did find his investigative firm found the surveillance footage at the Sonoco that that was not something that that
01:03:13
was presented by anybody else yeah I mean a slime ball answer but at the end of the day who knows I mean there's
01:03:20
three sides to every story right his side their side and the truth and it could be just that you know J Scher or
01:03:27
whoever hounded him so much and maybe was so rude to him that they he just thought you know what I I I the I did a
01:03:36
bunch of work you don't think I did I was paid for that work and now you're asking me for more stuff and I'm just
01:03:42
done with this all well and the results of those additional lab tests that they conducted were the same results that the
01:03:49
medical examiner office came up with originally so I here you run into a problem of okay I work for you you've
01:03:56
paid me x amount of dollars to help you get to the truth of this matter unfortunately the conclusion I came to
01:04:04
is what we already knew was the truth has not changed in my opinion and so I'm now telling you something that you don't
01:04:11
want to hear so you're dissatisfied with my investigation because it didn't have
01:04:15
the outcome or the results that you were looking for that you wanted or is this guy such a slime ball that he charges
01:04:22
him for these tests and never has new test done I mean I don't know I mean I I couldn't find any evidence of that but I
01:04:30
want to put you know if he is a slime ball I want to put that past the slime ball right right I do want to point out
01:04:36
that it has been reported that Daniel accepted a an offer you know they did this documentary uh and that he accepted
01:04:44
accepted an offer for $100,000 uh from that film company to do what would end up being the HBO
01:04:52
documentary uh this was back in 2010 um now I don't I'm not going to fault Daniel for this at all no he's a
01:05:01
single father now he's a single father and he I I do believe that there's a part of him that believes that there's
01:05:07
more truth out there and that he didn't have the ability to do that on his own uh and I think he thought maybe this
01:05:13
documentary would give him the answers he was looking for I think what ends up happening is he gets the gets reminded
01:05:20
of the answers he didn't want to hear in the first place but I don't fault him foring the money because as you said
01:05:25
he's a single father there there's an investigative firm to pay that that that cost you almost
01:05:32
$30,000 and there's all there's there's surgeries for your son right right and on top of that there's going to be law
01:05:40
suits that uh are going to end up being filed you know in uh December of 2010 uh
01:05:47
the bastardi family filed a lawsuit against Diane Schuler and against her brother Warren Hance who now now he was
01:05:54
the owner of the vehicle right and now some people if you you know if you're involved in uh civil uh suits and things
01:06:02
like that you you will know that any good attorney will tell you that if if if I'm walking down the street and the
01:06:09
lamp post falls on me well I don't just Sue I don't just sue the person that that own the house that own the lamp
01:06:16
post I I'm to sue the homeowner I'm to sue uh the I'm to sue the manufacturer of the lamp post uh maybe even the
01:06:25
manufacturer of the light bulb um they will reach out and they will sue everybody because you're you know you're
01:06:30
hoping to get rewarded some money outside of court or that that these other proceedings will enhance uh
01:06:37
original lawsuit right but you are you're suing the father of these three young uh girls yeah suing her estate um
01:06:48
yes and you know it's rough I think to sue the the yeah War brother that's what I'm talking about the state fine but
01:06:57
you're suing the brother that just lost his three daughters and to me that's that's wrong in July of 2011 um Jackie
01:07:07
Hance she filed a lawsuit uh against her brother-in-law Daniel Schuler um this would be the mother of the three nieces
01:07:17
um so we we have all kinds of legal proceedings that need to take place and lawsuits that uh need to be dealt with
01:07:24
um you know there's really there's really nothing good that can come of this um there's I don't think that
01:07:31
anybody's going to get the answers that they want I think at the end of the day she was intoxicated she was High um can
01:07:39
I prove that no other than other than the Toxicology test I mean you can the autopsy that's that's the proof what I
01:07:46
mean is I I can't say she was drinking vodka in the van I can't say that she was smoking a joint in front of the kids
01:07:52
I can't say any of that because cuz we don't know that for certain but we had the lab test well and will the son ever
01:07:58
remember yeah you know the son might one day say no I do remember her her drinking who knows yeah the the only
01:08:07
real statement that they've passed along that he seems to say when they've pushed
01:08:10
him for answers as to what had happened was that he said something to the nature
01:08:15
that she had hurt her head or that uh she could she was having trouble seeing uh which was reported by one of the
01:08:22
nieces on the phone as well I think what we have here Captain is we have 4 hours
01:08:29
that that passed and we have a lot of that time that's not accounted for and I think that during that time is when she
01:08:35
was consuming alcohol and when she was consuming marijuana now according to the documentary she's a very good mom she's
01:08:42
a very good person she's a very good wife I believe all three of those things I've seen pictures of these children
01:08:48
none of them appeared to be malnourished or abused or not taken care of appropriately I think all that was going
01:08:54
on I think she was a hard worker I think she was a good mom she was a good wife just not on that day not that day she
01:09:00
wasn't right and I I apologize but that's that's what I see here yeah and I think the only you know if there was
01:09:08
some weird medical thing that was happening and that caused the drinking or that caused the smoking I and again
01:09:14
I'm I'm not a doctor so I I I don't there doesn't make any logical sense to get to that point at the end of the day
01:09:21
this is this horrible TR tragic thing and uh these children lost their lives the you the mother lost their life um
01:09:31
the three innocent men the three innocent men and the you know wrong place at the wrong time I mean that's uh
01:09:39
could you imagine you know what their families are going through it's this overall this sad tragic event um and my
01:09:47
heart's go out for everybody that's involved and uh hopefully again I I went to say
01:09:55
hopefully there's answers but I I don't think it matters you know like I I don't
01:10:00
think it matters if she was a drunk driver or if it was a a medical thing you know maybe it matters as far
01:10:08
as like a civil lawsuit and all that stuff but I it doesn't bring back these these individuals I was pleased to see
01:10:17
at the end of the documentary they were talking about Brian Brian is the little boy that survived the crash I was happy
01:10:25
to see that he apparently is receiving counseling and that he's going to some form of counseling I hope that they see
01:10:33
that through because here's the thing man uh Warren and Jackie um I hope I got their names right the but the the mother
01:10:41
and father of of the three nieces right they lost all three they lost their all their children that day yeah and and I
01:10:49
don't know you know I'm a big Advocate you are as well for counseling and for seeking out help and talking about
01:10:55
things and and working through things I don't know that there's any any way through that no I mean the
01:11:02
the pain of losing a child is uh something that people you know unless you've gone through it yourself you have
01:11:09
no idea of of what you have to deal with mentally and and there they lost all of
01:11:14
them that day I don't know that there's any getting through that um now but the thing is here Brian yes he lost his
01:11:22
mother yes lost his sister but he's at a young enough age that with the right amount of counseling with the right help
01:11:31
this doesn't have to ruin his life as well that that he he may be able to recover from this and live a normal life
01:11:39
um and you know and that well here's the thing what I recommend watching the documentary uh it's it's depressing it's
01:11:48
a Debbie Downer it's it's more than a Debbie Downer I mean it's horribly depressing um was it a crime yes there
01:11:55
was a crime involved there's homicides vehicular homicide but it is a crime uh this like we said this was suggested by
01:12:03
the listeners uh in overwhelming amounts and uh so I blame you guys for uh suggesting it and making uh me super sad
01:12:12
that day so thanks a lot for that well and and to to pass to kind of underline was this a crime or not uh I can read
01:12:21
you the statement from the medical examiner um you know according to the Westchester medical examiner the crash
01:12:27
was quickly ruled a homicide because of all of the victims were killed due to Diane's driving regardless of Toxicology
01:12:36
findings in August 18 2019 this is this is less than a month after the crash the
01:12:43
Westchester district attorney said no charges will be filed in the incident as Diane Schuler was the only person
01:12:50
responsible and Diane Schuler died in the crash and the charges died that day with her right again it's an interesting
01:12:59
um it's an interesting documentary but I don't think that outweighs um the horrific nature and the horrific tragedy
01:13:08
as W with the innocent men losing their lives and and these innocent children as
01:13:13
well all right I'm officially depressed do we have any recommended reading this week uh this week I would like to
01:13:20
recommend blood stains by Jeff mudget well this sounds like a happy book well this this might take your mind elsewhere
01:13:26
because this is based on a true story well you say well that's weird for True Crime garage to recommend a based on a
01:13:33
true story book but there are some this is a very good story and and when I get into it here in a second you'll realize
01:13:41
why but he says because there are some things and worried about some people coming after him that that it was listed
01:13:48
as fiction but to him it's a true story so you have to read this and figure F out if you believe his story or not and
01:13:56
what is this story about so according to this book Jeff mudget is the great great
01:14:01
grandson of Herman Webster mudget who is better known to you and I as Dr HH Holmes and in Jeff mudget book blood
01:14:10
stains Jeff says that he has some Insider knowledge that HH Holmes lived longer than anyone thinks that HH Holmes
01:14:18
was not put to death and that he was actually involved in the Jack the Ripper case as well wow this is a mustre in my
01:14:26
opinion for those of you that want to find out more about HH Holmes you know we recommended uh The Devil in the White
01:14:32
City uh months ago which is another HH Holmes book uh but this one is quite different and I wouldn't say that this
01:14:39
is a mustre for Jack the Ripper readers as this story really has little to do with the Ripper but if you are like me
01:14:46
and if you've heard one Ripper Theory you want to hear them all mhm and this is a great time to dive into HH holes
01:14:54
with the new movie coming out with Leonard de capriel our buddy as if we hang out with him uh
01:15:01
he'll be playing HH holes in a new movie coming up I think next year yeah and I believe that that movie is based off of
01:15:07
the book The Devil in the White City so uh pick up uh blood stains by Jeff mudget today and you can do that by
01:15:14
going to our website true Crim garage.com and click on the recommended page and you will see all of our other
01:15:19
recommended books as well as one of our documentaries that we recommended and of
01:15:22
course it goes without saying but we're going to say it anyway because it's so important do not drink and drive please
01:15:28
do not smoke and drive don't buzz Drive do not uh text and drive you know I tell
01:15:34
you what that texting and driving is almost as bad if not worse than oh the worst thing in the world is when you're
01:15:39
driving down the road and you see a car swerving into your lane oncoming traffic
01:15:44
and you know that son of a [ __ ] is just sending a text yeah put down your damn
01:15:49
phone yeah and with New Year's Eve coming up we know it's a big part night make arrangements have somebody drop you
01:15:55
off have somebody pick you up call Uber call a taxi cab uh you call the captain I'll come pick your ass up he's going to
01:16:02
be picking people up all night long so do not drink a drive treat yourself good be good to yourself and everybody else
01:16:08
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