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open and I can't find our yeah find what my daughter okay what's your address um
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green L what is that me what's the numerical let me get a call that the the number Green Lane
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yes okay when did you last see her um we were just like you know it was about 10:00 she was sleeping I
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cleaning okay how old is your daughter 55 okay what was she last SE wearing ma'am and like Bas we were
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sleeping okay all right you said your back door was wide open yes brick like a brick on the like when I went to sleep
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the was not like that okay the back door listen to me your back door was wide open what are you talking about a
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brick what what is the brick it's on the back door on the on the stair like we have like a walkway uhhuh and there was
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a brick laying there yeah it's still there we got them coming tell them we got them coming they're
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coming okay what's the color of your house ma'am blue it's blue okay [Applause] okay what what does she look like how
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tall is she give me some description of her oh she look like like long hair curly like Cur long curled what what
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color um she okay what color brown hair yeah oh my God it'sing okay how tall is she about or
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how much does she weigh do you know that huh about how tall or how much does she
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weigh like four something like I don't know like she's not that tall okay weit tell tell your husband we
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got him coming okay okay how much does she weigh do you know huh how much does she weigh um like
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40 50 lb 60 lb 40 to 60 pounds yeah okay let me get your name and phone number my name is so your last
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nameoke up okay was your was your back door locked do you know yes the back door
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always locked I need somebody okay let me speak to so he I just got home from work her 5-year-old
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daughter is gone I need somebody to be here now listen to me listen to me we got two off if I find Whoever has my
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daughter before y'all do I'm killing them I don't care iend the rest of my life in prison I'm telling you you can
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put it on recording I don't care okay it's okay sir we got him on the way okay can you give me any what kind of
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description of her pajamas that she was wearing I don't [ __ ] know work okay sir we got him coming
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okay yeah I'm going to get that hello okay s let me talk to your wife so let me get some information from
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her can I talk to her okay how the [ __ ] you let my ma'am yeah okay listen to me I need you to
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answer some questions does the door look like it was pred open um does it look like it does it look
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like you had some sort of someone try to enter into your house um hold on and and another thing make sure you and
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your husband don't touch the door anymore don't don't mess with the door or anything no it doesn't it doesn't
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look like it is no okay now listen tell your husband do not touch anything make sure we're going to try to get a Kine
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out there okay she said don't touch anything they're bringing Kine out here go [ __ ]
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something I don't give a [ __ ] about prison prison don't scare me okay okay well understand we got him on the way
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okay what's her name how do you spell her first name what what's her middle name yeah
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and the spelling of the last name is um well that's my last name what's her date of
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birth K somebody okay tell them we understand we need to get her date of birth what's her date of birth [ __ ]
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date of birth we need to find her F okay listen to me I'm getting this information I'm not the officer driving
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out there okay they're they're coming out there to handle that situation I need to gather all information from you
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over the phone it has nothing to do with me driving out there the officers are taking care of that okay they're coming
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out there okay okay okay I'm going to stay on the phone with you okay okay until they get there
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all right hang on [Applause] [Music] tell we got him coming he needs to try to calm down a little bit okay the
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officers are going to come out there and do what they can we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers
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whenever they get there there okay got better people to talku [ __ ] ain't [Music]
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coming that is a 911 call that came into the putham County Florida sheriff's office at 3:27 a.m. on Tuesday February
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10th 2009 now as you can hear there are some strange things on this call first we
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should point out that the caller is Misty Crossland she says she noticed around 3:00 a.m. that little 5-year-old
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Haley Cummings is missing the call to 911 was not placed until 3:27 Misty says she found the back door
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of the trailer home which she states is always locked propped open with a brick this turns out to be a cinder block that
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police believe came from the yard outside of the home the man heard in the background and then on the phone is
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Ronald Cummings yeah they claimed the brick was propping open the screen door Ronald is 25 years old and Haley's
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father and Misty is Ronald's 17-year-old girlfriend Ronald was at work and Misty
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stayed home to watch Ronald's two children Haley and her brother three-year-old Ron Jr two deputies were
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dispatched to 202 Green Drive in the small town of Satsuma they arrived at the Double Wide Trailer home at 3:40
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a.m. when we say trailer home we are referring to those modular on level homes that are not portable but also not
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built into the ground this trailer had dark green carpeting throughout most of the living areas green and white floral
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wallpaper and one bedroom two bathrooms and a kitchen upon arriving deputies found a white male standing in the
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driveway who was visibly upset he identified himself as Ronald Cummings he said his daughter Haley Cummings age
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five was missing Ron said he had just got home from work and his quote dumb [ __ ] girlfriend told him his daughter
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was missing Ron then repeatedly said that someone had taken his child and said quote when I find him I'll kill him
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deputies then spoke with Misty crossling the girl who called 911 Misty was babysitting Haley and her little brother
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Ron Jr that evening now we need to explain a little bit of background here Misty Crossland was from a local family
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with a long history of bad behavior her parents were both drug addicts and alcoholics with long records and Misty
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dropped out of school in the sixth grade Misty met Ronald Cummings a few months earlier at the school bus stop for the
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trailer park where Misty would would accompany her nephew she started babysitting for Ron's kids Ron Haley's
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and Ron Jr's father was 25 years old and was divorced from the kid's mother Crystal Sheffield whom he had also met
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when she was a minor and who had gotten pregnant with Haley when she was just 17 Ronald had custody of the kids there
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are varying reports for the reasons for this some say it's because Ron had health insurance through his job that
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covered the children mhm some say that it's because Crystal was a habitual drug user and was negligent in any event Ron
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had the kids well and the other claim too is that she didn't have a job at the time so he would actually be the only
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parent that could support them Crystal got the children every other weekend Ron wasn't an angel either he had a history
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of arrest their relationship was acrimonious with custody disputes and allegations of both spousal and child
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abuse leveled at Ron by Crystal and drug arrest on both sides Ron had been looked
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into by the Florida Department of Children and Families at least once this is because crystal said that Haley
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missed school a lot and had visible injuries from beatings by Ron for her part there is no doubt that Crystal had
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a problem with drugs in the past and it possibly persisted in the year of 2009 the deputy on the scene quickly deduced
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that 17-year-old Misty was not just the babysitter she was sleeping in Ron Cummings bed and she told the 911
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dispatcher that quote our daughter was missing Misty and Ron were romantically involved for a few months Misty's family
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lived nearby at 116 Tyler Street Misty told the deputy that she put the children to bed at approximately 8:00
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p.m. she did some laundry and then she went to bed around 10 to 10:30 in the same bed as the kids this is in the
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master bedroom of the trailer home both kids were peacefully sleeping at that time Misty said she woke up at 3:00 a.m.
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to get a drink of water and then saw the kitchen light was on and the back door was propped open with the brick mhm she
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then ran back to the bedroom and noticed that Haley was missing Misty ran around
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frantically looking for the child looking under beds and in the closet she said that Ron arrived home from work
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around 3:25 and told her to call the police he handed the phone to her and you can hear
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him say something to the effect of [ __ ] how did you get my daughter stole very soon after deputies arrived
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on the scene Ron's Mother Teresa arrived she pulled up to the scene bearing a 8 by10 class photo of Haley Ron had called
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her and told her what was happening she later said that she lived about 15 mil away and had driven like a bat out of
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hell to get to Ron's house to help find her granddaughter she was sure that Haley was just hiding somewhere and
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would be found now the search is going to begin at this time but before we get into that just throwing this out here
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some people have questioned Teresa's timeline that it just doesn't add up right she lived 15 M away yet arrived on
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the scene within 5 minutes apparently of Ron calling her supposedly while Misty was still on the phone with
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911 and she had that photo with her the class photo in hand right people have pointed out that maybe she was aware of
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the situation before police what they told police they notified her of this situation well it's also kind of strange
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that his girlfriend's using his phone to call 911 and he's apparent apparently using her phone to call his
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mother right and there's also the statement of Teresa his mother saying I'm sure that Haley was just hiding
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somewhere yet she she was thoughtful enough to bring the class photo with her right and the fact that chances are just
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knowing what I know about Haley's father he probably doesn't actually have a school picture of his own daughter so
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let's discuss the events of the day before Haley appeared according to Misty Ron and some witnesses these events were
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normal in the morning Ron Misty Ron Jr and Haley drove to Haley's grandmother's home to get some clothes Haley wanted to
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wear to school that morning before they left they had breakfast then they dropped off Haley at Browning Pierce
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School the start time 8:45 a.m. Ron and Misty went back to bed until noon or so and they did some stuff stuff around the
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house until Ron picked up Haley at the school bus stop at 3:20 Ron then left for work we know that
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he arrived at PDM about 45 minutes early for his 5:00 p.m. shift at 5:00 p.m. Misty called Ron to
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see why the air conditioning repair guy arrived at their house she handed the phone to the repair man to speak with
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Ron at this point Misty's brother Tommy Crossland Tommy's real name if you if you're going to look these individuals
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up online his real name is Hank Crossland Jr but he goes by Tommy so this man Tommy was also at the
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house with with the kids and they were playing with Ron Jr and Haley he has kids of his own that he brought with him
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as well at 5:30 or so Tom and his kids and the repair man they all left the home around 6:00 p.m. Misty said she
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started dinner and cooked for about 30 to 45 minutes meanwhile Haley and Ron Jr were watching
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movies at 700 p.m. the kids were seen eating dinner on the front porch this is by their grandmother she stopped over to
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deliver some clothes after dinner prior to getting Haley to bed Misty said she put Haley's
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blanket in the washer because it smelled like pee like urine Haley went to bed at approximately
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8:00 p.m. this is her normal bedtime according to Misty on a school night she was wearing her pink Hannah Montana
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shirt and underwear now note though that the police report says pink shirt and tan shorts right at 8:30 Misty said she
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had a fight with Ron over the phone and she turned her phone off between 8 and 9:30 Misty was doing laundry she stated
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it took probably 30 minutes for it to wash and probably 60 Minutes for it to dry and soon as that was done she went
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to bed in the room with the two children where she slept yeah so they have a I'd
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say maybe a queen-sized bed that they slept in and then their it looked like the mattress pad that you would actually
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put into a crib but it wasn't in a crib it was just on the floor right and you'll notice throughout this episode in
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the next one discussing this case And discussing the the details of the events leading up to and the details right
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around and shortly after the 911 call they will change a little bit and that's because we have people whose stories are
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changing a little bit Yeah earlier we said that Misty said that she slept in the same bed with both of the children
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and later she would say that she slept in the bed with Ron Jr and that Haley was in the small bed beside her bed I I
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believe some of these inconsistencies are just not really knowing or it's it's not necessarily a lie but a partial
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truth maybe they did fall asleep in the bed together and then if she woke up at some point that that Haley wasn't on the
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bed anymore and was in her bed so I think that's where we're getting some inconsistencies Misty did not wake until
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she got up at 3:00 a.m. according to her story this is either to get a drink or to use the restroom her story has varied
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and she says that she noticed that Haley was gone now Ron arrives home at 3:25 a.m. and tells Misty to call 911 and
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that call came in at 3:27 a.m. now Captain I think that we should review that call as it's it's hard to hear and
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as we pointed out there are some strange things in that call yeah and that's the
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best quality that we could find and we we kind of question using it anyways because it's so hard to understand the
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actual context of what they're saying but we do believe that it also paints a picture of that moment so let's listen
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to those clips we're going to break them down into smaller clips and then dissect
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each one of them okay clip one let just look up in our back door with I open and
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I can't find our can't find what I don't okay what's your address um green what that what's the numerical
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want me a call that the the number Green Lane yes okay when did you last see her um we
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were just like you know it was about 10:00 she was sleeping I C okay how old is your
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daughter5 okay so 911 what's your emergency Misty crossin is is first heard saying hi um I just woke up and
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our back door was wide open and I think and I can't find our daughter you can't find what our daughter
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okay what's your address now Misty Crossland's answer we cannot we cannot hear there and it's not even deciphered
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on this transcript but when she's asked to give the the numerical she doesn't know what that means I don't have so
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much of an issue with that she gives the the the street as Green Lane and then you do hear her bleeped out that would
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be where she's giving the full street address and this shows that she's uneducated I don't believe that she's
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stupid I just think she's uneducated well and she's 17 yeah we factor that in and if she is to be believed she's in a
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very stressful situation now mind you per the information we have she has only been romantically involved with Ron for
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a handful of months and may not be quick on her head feet as I like to say about
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some of the information that she's asked to provide right because she is technically not the mother mother so
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when did you okay when did you last see her Misty responds um we like just you know it was about 10:00 she was sleeping
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I was cleaning okay how old is your daughter Misty quickly responds with she is five
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I don't have any pro I've seen a lot of people online having a big issue with Misty saying our daughter is missing
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right I don't find that to be problemsome I it just what's an emergency you don't have time to explain
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well technically it's not my real daughter but I'm but I'm sleeping with her father and I take care of her every
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day um you know what I mean like you don't have time for that right and the way that I try to really view 911 calls
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because there's there's varying uh sides of of the coin here some people will argue that you can detect a lot of guilt
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and a lot of information can be Pride from the person making the call and what information they provide and what
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information they do not provide and then there's other people that just say you know what they're reacting to a to a
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situation we can't figure out or should not speculate how one should react or or
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what they should be doing in that moment I like to fall right between the two of
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those my thought is is the general thought of anytime you're calling 911 you're you're asking for help you're
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you're very simply put asking for help and assistance in a situation so I'm looking for people who are being helpful
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or unhelpful in that situation that's what I want to see that's what I want to look
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at so saying our daughter just like you said Captain it's just really getting the information the very gist of it as
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quick as possible to the 911 operator in that situation you're probably thinking
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the faster that I provide good information to them the faster they're going to appear on the scene the First
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Responders God bless you and that they are going to be able to help or fix this situation so
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our daughter that's no problem for me the other issue here is she's very young she's dating this guy that's you know
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there's a age Gap there and he's abusive and he's in the room with you and so there's pressure to talk to the
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911 dispatcher but there's also there has to be that pressure that you're going to say something wrong and piss
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off this guy that possibly will punch you in the face yeah and I I don't know how far I want to go down that road
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because I know there's a lot more allegations of abuse than actual proof of such but you're right captain that
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will be an underlining issue throughout the the course of this week's case I do find odd that that she points out that
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she was cleaning you know okay when did you last see Haley um we like just you know it was about 10:00 she was sleeping
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I was cleaning and I only really point this out because of what we will hear later in the 911 call right but it's
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it's not the very simple answer that I think is most direct and most quick to the point of saying I went to bed around
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10: she was in the room with me that that's just where my head would go again this is is a stressful situation well
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yeah it gets a little convoluted there because is she talking about doing laundry is that a part of cleaning or
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was she trying to clean but then was cleaning for a minute and then laid down with the kids you know passed out I
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thought about that too when analyzing the 911 call what what my verbiage would be and I was thinking about it this way
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like if if I were simply just doing laundry and you asked me hey what are you doing I go I'm doing some laundry
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now if I were doing laundry and cleaning the house right at the same time which you know you can do thanks to these
00:29:01
wonderful washing machines that do the washing for you I would I would summarize it by I'm I'm doing some
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cleaning I would just bundle that in there with the laundry and cleaning Allin one let's hear clip
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two okay what was she last wearing ma'am went inas we were sleeping okay all right you said your
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back door was wide open yeah brick like a brick on the like when I went to sleep
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not like that okay the back door listen to me your back door was wide open what are you talking about a
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brick what what is the brick it's on the back the on the on the stair like we have like a walkway uhhuh
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and there was a brick laying there yeah it's still there we got him coming tell them we got
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garage cheers okay in this portion of the call this is where I really first start hearing Ronald in the background
00:32:18
and so now we have to keep in mind that during this 911 call we have Misty who who is talking to the operator as well
00:32:27
is we have Ronald talking to her as well so she's being kind of torn into two different
00:32:33
conversations um the 911 operator says okay what was Haley last scene wearing to where she then has to say ma'am
00:32:42
because you can hear Ronald in the background and then Misty comes back and says she was wearing her pajamas she was
00:32:49
sleeping okay all right you said your back door was wide open Misty yes it was bricked there was a brick on the floor
00:32:57
when I was asleep it was not like that 911 okay the back door listen to me your back door was wide open what are you
00:33:05
talking about a brick what is a brick Misty says it's almost like on the stairs we have a walkway 911 and there's
00:33:15
a brick lying there Misty says yes it's still there and then you hear Ron again he's in the background and he's saying
00:33:22
something to the effect of tell them they've they've better come tell them to come on
00:33:28
and we have the 911 operator trying to cool the situation she's telling Misty please tell him we got them coming to
00:33:37
which Misty complies I I I don't know that I see anything weird in there I I do appreciate the 911 operator trying to
00:33:47
keep Misty focused and get the proper information from her especially about this brick situation with the the back
00:33:55
door there yeah and I think people that claim that any of these comments are guilt or innocent is kind of you know
00:34:05
nonsense anyways because this whole brick situation we don't know if she saw the brick herself or if he is if Ronald
00:34:15
comes in and he's just yelling about stuff and saying there was a brick and you know what I mean like you she might
00:34:22
just be tossing out information that he's tossing out but according to one at least one of her stories is that she saw
00:34:29
the door propped open and that's what prompted her to go back into the room with the kids then she notices Haley
00:34:37
missing right but that's where it gets weird because I've also heard all these stories that there's two doors there's a
00:34:43
screen door and later it I believe she says or or Ronald says the screen door was propped open by the brick and then
00:34:51
the the actual door was wide open mhm and again leading to have both be wide open her her statement to 911 makes it
00:34:59
confusing as well because when they're discussing the the details about this brick or the door her first statement is
00:35:08
that it was on the floor the back door is wide open and the brick uh was a wide open and it was on the floor and then
00:35:15
later saying that it was um on the stairs we have a walkway so right and that it's you can almost picture this in
00:35:24
your head where it's one door propped open with a brick inside the home and then maybe a screen door going out the
00:35:31
other direction propped up on the outside of the home with a brick yeah which if you're going off of just what
00:35:38
she says on 911 that's the the picture that's painted for me well let's get into clip
00:35:44
three okay what's the color of your house ma'am blue it's blue okay okay what what does she look like how
00:36:06
tall is she give me some description of her oh she look like like long hair curly like Cur long curled what what
00:36:15
color um she okay what color brown hair yeah oh my God okay how tall is she about or how
00:36:29
much does she weigh do you know that huh about how tall or how much does she weigh like four something like I don't
00:36:36
know like she's not that tall okay we tell tell your husband we got him coming okay okay how much does
00:36:45
she weigh do you know huh how much does she weigh um like 40 50 lb 60 lb 40 to 60 pounds yeah okay here so we are
00:37:01
getting at this section they want to know what does the house look like what color is your house Missy says blue now
00:37:09
we got to get a description of Haley what does she look like how tall is she give me some description of her Misty
00:37:16
says how tall is she you know she probably either trying to clarify with the operator or asking Ronald who's in
00:37:24
the background probably stomping around the the home mhm she goes on to say Misty says like long hair like Curly
00:37:33
with curls 911 long curls what color Misty she's white well you're missing the point where she says about four and
00:37:43
I think she's going to say about 4 feet tall which would not be correct but she does clearly State about four okay I
00:37:52
couldn't hear that in this this portion and I guess I'm guessing that the 911 operator could not either because
00:38:00
they're they're clarifying about the the hair color what color hair brown hair Missy says yes oh my God or oh my gosh
00:38:08
and and goes on to say something else that I could not detect there well when she initially says what color she says
00:38:16
white right and she's like no no no no hair color right and that's what the 911 operator wants to clarify this is where
00:38:23
they move on and they want to know how tall Haley is okay how tall is she about or
00:38:30
how much does she weigh do you know that to which we have the huh response 911 clarifies about how tall or
00:38:39
how much does she weigh Misty 24 sounds about right I don't know she's not that tall that that's very confusing to me
00:38:48
cuz well that's why I was saying about the four okay it doesn't to me it's not I don't know if she says 24 it sounds
00:38:55
like four right I I didn't I couldn't figure out from that statement if if 24 is inches yeah I don't or or weight or
00:39:08
both because she follows it up with I don't know she's not that tall and and she is being asked how tall or how much
00:39:14
does she weigh at the same time yeah but and also think about this when you're raising kids of somebody would have
00:39:21
asked me well how tall is you know your littlest step on at 4 or five or whenever you you just guess cuz you
00:39:31
don't really know yeah and and for me children have always been tough for me to guess like if if there's an adult and
00:39:39
you ask me for a description I could very quickly give you approximate height and
00:39:44
weight yeah and then I I think that's where the next part comes in is when they're they go from height to wait and
00:39:52
then this is again where people will claim that you know she she's so dumb or so stupid and I think some of this is
00:40:00
just again how much do they weigh she's like I don't know 40 50 60 I think some of that is nerves obviously um cuz I
00:40:12
think when somebody's asking you a question and you're racing your brain is racing to get to the answer but you're
00:40:19
kind of this to me proves that she's confused oh yeah and it could be for any number of reasons but that's also why I
00:40:29
question what's taking place on this 911 call not so much as what she's saying but it almost seems strange to me that
00:40:38
Ronald hands the phone to her he should be much better equipped to answer all of
00:40:44
these questions and I'm basing that simply off of the fact that he's the father Misty's
00:40:51
not the mother and according to the information we have they were only romantically involed evolved for a short
00:40:57
period of time before this 911 call goes down this is information that he should
00:41:02
know he should be better equipped to provide answers rather than Misty For the record according to her missing
00:41:09
flyer Haley is 3 foot tall and was listed at 39b the day that she went missing right
00:41:18
and again when people go a she's so stupid how how much does she weigh I don't know 40 lbs boom she's 39 lbs she
00:41:26
got it right but in the state of confusion I don't know 40 uh 50 60 and what's weird to me like you said
00:41:36
what's going on in the call in the background how long do this is not a big house this is a you know a trailer right
00:41:45
and it's like how long does that take for you to go she's not in here okay now let's look on the outside oh she's not
00:41:53
there either but it's almost like he comes in the house he's storming around and
00:42:00
instantly he's going somebody stole her and to me that shows more of U what's going on
00:42:11
outside of his life what's going on in his personal life that he would walk in and immediately go somebody took her cuz
00:42:20
the first thought your kids's not in your bed not in their bed where are they are they hiding somewhere did they go to
00:42:27
another room did they get outside yeah and we'll get to that portion with this next clip okay let me
00:42:34
get your name and phone number my name is your last name okay was your was your back door
00:42:48
locked do you know yes Back Door Man I need somebody to get okay let me speak to so
00:42:59
he I just got home work 5-year-old daughter is gone I need somebody to be here now listen to me listen to me we
00:43:05
got two officers if I find Whoever has my daughter before y'all do I'm killing them I don't care I spend the rest my
00:43:11
life in prison I'm tell them you can put it on record I don't care okay it's okay
00:43:14
sir we got them on the way okay can you give me any what kind of description of her pajamas that she was wearing don't
00:43:21
[ __ ] know work okay sir we got him coming okay and then they hang up I'm always very
00:43:34
suspicious when people hang up on 911 I couldn't find anywhere either Misty or Ronald saying that they got disconnected
00:43:45
or anything like that that so it seems to me like which is very possible though right but I would like to know that
00:43:51
because it it's weird to me that Ronald would hang up the phone because it I got
00:43:56
to believe it was him he's the last one speaking before the the call drops yeah so well I think he was having a hard
00:44:03
time in his scene there pretending to cry that he maybe didn't know how to continue so he just hung up the phone I
00:44:12
felt that it was more out of like anger that he may have hung up the phone so in
00:44:17
the beginning of this portion we're again trying to get some more information just basic stuff Misty's
00:44:24
name and phone number and then we go back to was the door the back door locked do you know Misty says yes Ronald
00:44:33
we can hear him saying something like man I need somebody to get here now to which the 911 operator wants to speak to
00:44:42
Ronald Ronald gets on the phone he says I just got home from work my 5-year-old daughter is gone I need someone here now
00:44:49
now this is where I think the the statement of I was cleaning from Misty is weird when I'm kind of layering these
00:44:57
all together in one big uh 911 call Big Mac if you want to call it that so we have the I was cleaning that was the
00:45:05
last time I saw her I just woke up and she's missing first thing we hear from Ronald is I just got home from work it's
00:45:14
almost like we're we're laying out aliis correct it almost seems like unnecessary
00:45:20
information for the purpose of finding Haley well that's been his story the whole time and we'll continue to be his
00:45:27
Mantra if you will I was at work how am I supposed to know find my daughter everybody needs to be looking for my
00:45:33
goddamn daughter I was at work how how am I supposed to know anything I mean that's that's what he does for the next
00:45:41
however many years well and then we have the portion of him saying that if you know if I find Whoever has my daughter
00:45:47
before you all do I'm killing them I don't care I will spend the rest of my life in prison you can put that on the
00:45:54
recording I don't care right again that's a whole lot of conversation unnecessary conversation I understand he
00:46:02
might just be furious and reacting to the situation but you can go ahead and put that on the recording I don't care
00:46:08
almost like I want that on the record I want it on the record to show that I was
00:46:13
so upset and angry that I come into a situation and my daughter's missing and the fact that she's missing I'm willing
00:46:20
to kill the individual that did it yeah that's how much I care and it seems to me almost as if he came home and his
00:46:28
daughter's missing and he's going oh I knew somebody could take her does that make any sense well I guess in this
00:46:37
situation he's going off the Assumption of seeing the door propped open and but I think it's more than
00:46:45
that well it could be we we don't know but but the the very simple thing that I'm looking for in this call as I stated
00:46:53
is being helpful or unhelpful this whole thing of if I find Whoever has my daughter before you do I'm going to kill
00:47:01
him is extremely unhelpful to the for the purpose of the 911 call and then on on top of that that statement is strange
00:47:09
in itself because during that situation he's not out looking for anybody he's not out looking for Haley he's not out
00:47:16
looking for whoever may have took her yeah it seems like he's just stomping around his house and in this situation
00:47:23
why would you look if I was the father it would be me either me on the 911 call or if I'm handing the phone off to
00:47:30
somebody I'm going outside where I can find this child or the person or at least have a shot at it at least have a
00:47:38
sh who's to say that if if let's say he believes 100% that somebody took her and
00:47:43
he's completely innocent of any wrongdoing there's a a chance there's a shot that this person took her and may
00:47:52
have been on foot or was parked somewhat near nearby and this abduction just recently happened to hand the phone off
00:48:00
and then just to stomp around in the background and provide nothing of information and to provide little if
00:48:07
anything in the way of help for the purpose of of finding your daughter just it's completely backwards it's
00:48:14
completely opposite of the whole purpose of the 911 call to begin with and then let's add to our Big Mac here right M so
00:48:23
911 God bless this 911 operator because I would have lost my [ __ ] a long time ago uh she says it's okay sir we've got
00:48:33
them on the way okay can you give me what kind of description of pajamas was she wearing to which Ronald Cummings
00:48:41
says I don't have know I was at work and hangs up the phone yeah that's the most
00:48:46
counterproductive thing that you could possibly do in this why not just ask Misty who's who's clearly still in the
00:48:54
same room with you if you don't know rather than hanging up the phone let's let's help you know right that's very
00:49:01
unhelpful again okay so what is he doing in the trailer why all this is going on do you have any idea or well basing
00:49:13
off basing this off of what his words are what I think he is to be saying because again I think he's just kind of
00:49:20
stomping around the house maybe he is walking in and out of the trailer during during this time right but because
00:49:28
there's there are times where you can hear him much louder than other times and I think he's probably pretty vocal
00:49:35
through the entirety of these calls right but some of that he's vocal with Misty and some of it he's just vocal to
00:49:43
anybody that's willing to listen and I I think he's really just walking around at
00:49:49
some point I do hear him say something to the point of where is my phone now we believe believe that Misty is on his
00:49:57
phone and and you but again reactionary he might be looking for her phone and just said that and that you will hear
00:50:04
that in uh one of the upcoming Clips well and he also likes to wear these chains like a a necklace these little
00:50:12
chains and they're like really small so I wonder if he's like because he's going
00:50:17
to go find who took his daughter and kill him if he's also looking for his little tiny chain to put on so he's a
00:50:23
little tougher when he confronts the person now this is where we're going to hear 911 calling back to Ronald
00:50:40
Cummings yeah I'm going to get that hello okay sir let me talk to your wife sir let me get some information
00:51:06
from can I talk to her okay how the [ __ ] you let my ma'am yeah okay listen to me I need you to
00:51:17
answer some questions does the door look like it was Pride open um does it look like it does it look
00:51:25
like you had some sort of someone try to enter into your house um hold on and and another thing make sure you
00:51:33
and your husband don't touch the door anymore don't don't mess with the door or anything no it doesn't it doesn't
00:51:40
look like it is no okay now listen tell your husband do not touch anything make sure we're gonna try to get a canine out
00:51:48
there okay she said don't touch anything they're bringing k out here go [ __ ] bring something
00:51:57
I don't give a [ __ ] abouton SC me okay okay we understand we got him on the way
00:52:02
okay what's her name how do you spell her first name what what's her middle name yeah
00:52:12
and the spelling up the last name is um well that's my last name that's her name I where did you do what's her date
00:52:20
of birth I'm kill somebody okay tell them we understand we need to get her date of
00:52:26
birth what's her date of birth [ __ ] date of birth we need to find her [ __ ] her date of birth okay listen to me I'm
00:52:32
getting this information I'm not the officer driving out there okay they're they're coming out there to handle that
00:52:38
situation I need to gather all information from you over the phone it has nothing to do with me driving out
00:52:43
there the officers are taking care of that okay they're coming out there okay okay okay I'm going to stay on the phone
00:52:55
with you okay okay until they get there all right hang on tell we got him coming he needs to
00:53:23
try to calm down a little bit okay okay the officers are going to come out there
00:53:27
and do what they can we can't have him screaming and yelling at the officers whenever they get there
00:53:35
okay got better people to talk [ __ ] ain't coming see and it sounds like they hang
00:53:43
up again they being the people calling and asking for help right well they didn't call this time right right for
00:53:50
the ones that need help correct but it's weird though too cuz I wish I could understand what he's saying in the
00:53:56
background cuzz I think he's saying more I really think there was something to this idea of that in his head somebody
00:54:04
took his child and look and it might not be somebody that is involved in his drug
00:54:10
history or in his drug Circle but you also have had custody issues with your ex and so is that where his head is
00:54:20
going is taking him you know oh did my did my did my ex-wife come take our daughter mhm I'll kill them you know
00:54:29
like they can't do this I have custody now you know what I mean so that's that's where I wonder where his head is
00:54:35
going well when 911 first calls back it is Ronald that answers the phone he says
00:54:40
hello and then he's like whining and crying which should be expected in this situation to which the 911 operator
00:54:49
wants to talk to Misty now because Ronald's of no help and they want to get some more information this part is real
00:54:57
interesting to me because this is one of the few times throughout this lengthy 911 call where they do where Misty and
00:55:07
Ronald do provide some good information to which the 911 operator very smartly asked ma'am okay listen I need you to
00:55:15
answer some questions does the door look like it was PRI open mhm to which it takes some time to get to the answer but
00:55:24
Misty says no it doesn't right it doesn't and then 911 asked to clarify it doesn't look like it is to which Misty
00:55:32
says no right I again look she didn't know what num Miracle meant so is it possible that she heard the word pry and
00:55:41
she was trying to figure out you know is it propped is pry a word with prop that's that's where my head goes but the
00:55:50
door is propped open and when asked if the door was Pride open she's saying no but I think that's where the that's
00:55:56
where the hesitation is is that either one she might not be able to you know hear her but maybe she doesn't really
00:56:04
fully understand the question I'm going to go the other way with that because when when asked if the
00:56:10
door is still propped open she says yes when asked if it looks like it was Pride
00:56:14
open she says no now this is where the 911 operator very smartly again lets them know hey tell your husband to do
00:56:24
not touch anything because they are going to get a Kine unit out there Misty says okay tells him not to touch
00:56:32
anything they're bringing canines out now Ronald C Cummings in the background at this point you're hearing him say
00:56:37
something to the effect of they better bring something out here because if I get my hands on that mfer I'm going to
00:56:44
kill him I don't give a f about prison again reminding us prison doesn't scare him um again not helpful to Misty or the
00:56:54
91 one operator and but this leans against the the X theory that I had that that he was thinking that possibly the
00:57:03
ex came that he's going through a short list of people on his head that that might have been involved when I get a
00:57:08
hold of him and and then you go well was she seeing somebody that that maybe he thought would be responsible for this
00:57:17
and I like that the operators pointing out hey he's got to be he's got to calm it down a little bit because we can't
00:57:24
have him being violent or screaming and yelling when the officers arrive on the scene because they're going to be face
00:57:31
to face they're going to need to get more better information than what was this operator tried her very best to get
00:57:39
good information she's just not getting it from Ronald or from Misty to which again at the end of the call they're
00:57:48
being asked we need to get her date of birth we need to get Haley's datee of birth Misty does not seem to know that
00:57:55
it it seems more to me like she's asking Ronald what is her date of birth rather
00:58:01
than clarifying with the 911 operator that's what she's doing and Ronald then says F her date of birth we need to find
00:58:09
her F her date of birth um for the record Haley's date of birth is August 17th 2003 well that's because this
00:58:16
numbnuts doesn't know his daughter's datee of birth that's why let's let's be he gets upset oh effort dated
00:58:25
birth it's it's called come out here and find her it's like no it you're such a loser that you don't even know your own
00:58:33
daughter's date of birth as the call continues I believe to hear him say that he's looking for his
00:58:41
phone kind of shouting about where is my phone or where is a phone and clearly at the end you hear
00:58:49
him say where is my effing phone and I kind of believe that that you know he follows it up with we've got better
00:58:56
people to talk to than some mfers who ain't coming and it again it sounds to me like they once again hang up the
00:59:04
phone I would love to know if in fact if that's the situation and if it was Ronald that hung up the phone or Misty I
00:59:11
find it strange that either of them would do so again extremely unhelpful to the situation that started with them
00:59:18
calling and asking for help now I do believe here I don't have the timestamps of the start of this call we we
00:59:29
mentioned that the call came in at um 3:27 mhm and the call is what 7 Minutes 8 minutes long well if you combine the
00:59:40
two okay so and we don't know if there's a break in time during the the time that
00:59:45
they were disconnected well there is a break on the audio clip but I don't know if that's in real time does that make
00:59:52
sense so you're looking at right maybe 20s seconds of disconnection and then 911 calls back but which could have been
01:00:00
a couple minutes in real life yeah I actually assume that it's not I actually assume because you can hear the dialing
01:00:06
and you can actually hear the the operator that it's cons you know it's just all they hung up and we're still
01:00:13
recording and now cuz I I'm assuming that in this situation their protocol is for 911 to call back mhm and so why stop
01:00:22
the recording just keep it going so here where he's saying that he's looking for his phone or he's looking
01:00:29
for a phone and he says follows that up with we've got better people to talk to we got better people to talk to well
01:00:38
there I feel like it it's it's if he is innocent of anything then then he's just
01:00:43
frustrated with the call he's frustrated with the situation he's probably hopefully frustrated with himself that
01:00:49
he doesn't know some very basic information about his small child right but but on top of that there I think
01:00:56
what he's meaning is his mother who we do know shows up to the scene very quickly and this is where I believe that
01:01:03
we can say that's who he called and that's who he's wanting to call in that moment
01:01:09
while Misty is still on the phone with 911 at the end of the day this guy's a douche you know and I and I think
01:01:19
that's I think this um his attitude like you said throughout the whole conversation where is he trying to help
01:01:30
it it's it's almost like he he's displacing the blame now on them that you guys won't even show up and look I'm
01:01:36
here trying to help and I do feel like that's setting he's setting the scene for something at 9:30 a.m. on February
01:01:46
10th a nationwide Amber Alert was issued for Haley and Marie Cummings age five blondish hair brown eyes 40 lb wearing a
01:01:56
pink shirt and tan shorts missing from her family home members of the cart program the child abduction response
01:02:05
team started to converge on Satsuma one of these was John Merchant a putam County Sheriff's Office
01:02:13
homicide investigator another was Robert Hardwick from the State's Attorney's office there were also members of the
01:02:21
FBI present the case was being treated as an abduction from the very [Music] start and like the captain always says
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