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journey through crime and memory That Shook Michigan known for a string of brutal murders dating back to the 1970s
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Walker's past reads like the plot of a true crime novel one that twist through multiple confessions long delayed Court
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hearings and The Haunting reopening of cold cases his belated admissions to decades old slangs shocked communities
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the Press Walker's life and the cases tied to him reveal the Frailty of of justice
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[Music] garage Adrien Michigan a small City in Lino County this is in Southern Michigan
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not too far north of the Ohio State Line another city that we will be discussing
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as well this week is Blissfield which is near Adrian Blissfield is southeast of Adrien so even closer to Ohio now in the
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1970s early 1980s this was a community deeply rooted in its Agricultural and Industrial Heritage with a population of
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around 20,000 at the time Adrien maintained a tight-knit atmosphere typical of many Midwestern towns the
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economy in Adrien and surrounding lenoi County during this period was characterized by a mix of manufacturing
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and agriculture factories such as those producing automotive and other heavy machinery this was a big part of the
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Region's economy at the time now the city had a relatively modest yet active Social Scene community events like fairs
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and local sporting events were Central to the social life of the Adrien residents at the time this is small town
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America this is the Midwest and we're going to go way back to 1979 January 15th 1979 to a small
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two-story home located on West Maple Avenue in Adrian Michigan it's dark out it's late when a young man named
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Francisco Torres went to his sister's home his sister is 24-year-old Yolanda Torres Madison she lives there with her
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10-month-old daughter Jess it is unclear why but he says that he went there to check on his sister he
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knocks several times on the front door gets no response he says that he grew more
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concerned once he arrived at the house because all of the curtains were closed so after getting no answer at the front
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door he runs to the back door and he says he was pounding on the back door and again no answer he runs back to the
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front porch as he was going to try the front door once again but this time he notices smoke coming from the second
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floor of the home this prompted him to of course find a phone and call the fire department the fire department is able
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to quickly extinguish the fire but the real horror of the story is when they go inside the house to try to find and
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remove any of the occupants they locate three dead in a small bedroom on the second floor the deceased are
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24-year-old Yolanda Torres Madison and her 10 month old daughter and another woman This Woman's name is Teresa KY 19
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years old the women were found tied up badly injured and badly bruised the baby appeared to be untouched autopsy
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findings are that the two women were beaten stabbed and shot the baby died from smoke inhilation the fire chief
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determined that arson was the cause of the fire so we have a triple homicide case here the house appeared to be
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ransacked and some more information here yolan Madison was shot once Teresa KY was shot twice all were found in an
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upstairs bedroom with their hands tied behind their backs the lenoi medical examiner office spokesman said that the
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women also bore knife wounds but died of the gunshot wounds their bodies were not
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burned the baby in the crib died of smoke inhilation bearing no other wounds police quickly learned that the two
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women worked together at se are jobs for Progress this is a Social Service Agency
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both were longtime residents of Adrian and as said the police stated that the house was ransacked but there
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doesn't appear to be any report of forced entry into the home and frankly on this one Captain as concerning as it
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would be the Michigan State Police were quickly brought in on this one of course
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they were hoping to learn more about the house and the movements of the people found inside however the suspect or
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suspects who killed and set the fire and fled were a mystery none of the neighbors saw a thing that night in fact
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the police told the papers quote we don't have any specific suspects now we are not looking for anyone in particular
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end quote when they interview the folks that knew the two women best they do learn of some activity from the night
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before police speak to one Deb Cary so this is no relation to the victim Teresa Carey but it is Teresa K's best friend
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she tells police that the evening before the fire she went to she went with Teresa to a local Wendy's Teresa ordered
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a Wendy's single with cheese and no tomato then they went to Yolanda's house the murder house but before the two went
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inside Deb says that she's overcome with the sudden urge to go home to leave the
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place and go home we've seen this before Captain some people seem to possess the
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ability to sense evil this Deb Cary escaped whatever evil befell the two women inside that house on that dark and
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cold January night so they end up stopping by the house earlier that night then they go out uh have a little get
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together and then on the way home your friend is driving your home and she says oh there's there's somebody at my
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friend's house I I see a car that I don't recognize in her driveway let's stop and check on her they pull into the
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driveway your friend says to you hey I'm just going to be in there a minute and she says well how long well I don't know
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maybe 30 minutes she goes to reach to open up the door handle and something hits her something is tells her this is
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bad this is something's not right she doesn't tell her friend this she just says well if you're going to be that
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long can you just take me home and then on the way home and when she's dropping you off in your driveway you're then
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telling your friend hey I want to go back and check on her that it's too late but she never she never stops her and
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says hey I have a funny feeling about this yeah she tells her friend at least recommends to her you know don't go back
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there it's too late but then she exits the vehicle and notices that her friend even though she said that she would not
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return to the home the direction that she takes out of there implies that she may be returning to that house and then
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you probably thinking to yourself well she's a good friend she's a she's going to check on her it's probably nothing
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it's very strange in this case we have two we have two people independently of one another we have Teresa car's best
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friend Deb Cary who says I got this uneasy weird feeling and I just I wanted to go home I recommended to Teresa don't
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go back to the house Teresa goes back to the house and sadly her and Yolanda are
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found dead the following day after the fire is extinguished but we also have have Yolanda's brother who says that he
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he decided to stop in check on his sister there's another set of eyewitnesses as well this other set of
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eyewitnesses were just walking by the police station but because this house was so close to the police station they
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could see the fire or smoke coming from the house and so they just walked into the police station and said hey uh we
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want to report a fire and they said where across the street despite the severity of the crime and the outrage
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from the local community there wasn't really a whole lot of evidence in this case back in 1979 to pursue any one
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particular suspect and so the case goes cold now it's hard to say why and Captain I think you're going to be able
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to fill us in here a little bit but there was a person of interest in this case and his name is Anthony Guy Walker
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he's a man with a History of Violence who went by the name of Tony Walker and oftentimes called Red Walker well like
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you said there was basically no evidence no leads they were not reporting to the
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public that these women were raped and then murdered they were just saying we have murdered victims and I think some
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of the people local people didn't know were these victims that were actually killed or were they killed because of
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the fire because obviously the locals know about the fire but a couple days after the murders Anthony comes in with
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his girlfriend SL bab Mama to the police station and she wants to report a missing gun she claims she bought a gun
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3 days earlier she had it in her car the gun was loaded and somebody stole it when they were asking her questions
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about it they ask her hey was the gun loaded her boyfriend Anthony says what good is a gun if it's not loaded and
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they thought that was very strange but you also have to remember these Detectives know the murder weapon and
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this triple homicide is a 22 that's correct a 22 caliber gun and that's the same caliber that the the lady with Tony
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Walker at the police station is reporting to be missing or stolen so the problem with the detectives is Anthony
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has a solid Alibi his girlfriend is saying he was with me all night so he's still somebody that they keep on their
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radar but they can't even connect him to the Vic the murder weapon is not found this Tony
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Walker who's interesting to detectives has a solid Alibi and they can't find any witnesses to put Tony Walker or
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really anybody else any other good suspect at the scene of the crime around the time of the murders and you're right
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they they did some of the hold back information here would be the sexual assault that took place inside that home
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like we said this case goes cold and it was wasn't for a lack of effort here because this is a small community a town
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of 20,000 people roughly and three of them were murdered and then somebody set this fire to try to cover their tracks
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and potentially destroy any or all evidence that might be in that home the case goes cold but let's
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investigate this guy a little bit further because this Anthony Walker does have A History of Violence and even
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beyond that he is interesting because he was a person of interest in an earlier case so this dates back to September
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20th 1975 when a farmer found a woman's body in his beanfield this is from the local news at the time woman's body
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identified an autopsy performed at Sparrow Hospital in Lancing identified the body found in a beanfield as Arlene
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Ruth Salo age 25 who lived at 615 dentist Street in Adrian Michigan so she's from the same city as this triple
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homicide Miss Salo was reported missing about one month prior to her body being discovered State Police in Blissfield
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stated that it will be a couple of days before the complete results of the autopsy would be available now later
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what we're going to end up learning here Captain is not a whole lot in Arlene's murder because she had laid in that
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field they believe for that entire month that one month that she was missing and
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due to the time that took place and they couldn't really confirm exactly how she
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was killed so they the only report that they put out there is that there was no obvious signs of a violent death and the
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cause of death is actually never determined in that case but because of where she was found and how she was
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found they do ultimately rule this a homicide well her hands were Bound by electric cord and the victims of the
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triple homicide the two adults their hands were Bound by electrical cord as well and I imagine with like we saw in
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the triple homicide we have probably a decent amount of hold back information in arleene Ruth cedo kicks right as said
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this Tony Walker was a known person of interest in both of these cases at the end of 1975 Tony Walker is arrested in a
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completely separate incident this is for kidnapping and raping a woman in Adrien
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Michigan the kidnapping charge was eventually dropped but that was due to a plea deal he pleads guilty to sexual
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assault he pleads guilty to Second deegree criminal sexual conduct he receives a prison sentence but he is
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paroled an early January 1979 the women in the house fire were killed January 15th this is days after
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he is paroled now just days into the investigation of this triple homicide Tony Walker picks up three high school
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students who were skipping school in Adrien this was on January 27th 1979 he takes these three kids are
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skipping school they're they're female students he takes Tak them back to his home so this is what they tell police
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the students told police that a man approached them who claimed to be a truancy officer and ordered them into
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his vehicle the one girl among the group testified later that the man tried to force himself on her at his home so he
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doesn't take them to the police station he drives them back to his home tries to
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force himself on her but for some reason backs off I think she she pled with him
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and for some reason he he decd decides to not assault her and then drives them all to
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downtown Adrien and just lets them go months later this mystery man is identified as paroi Tony Walker he's
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convicted of this assault on September 11th 1979 so Walker is now sent back to prison he's convicted of assault with
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intent to commit sexual penetration and he sentenced as a habitual offender so he's going to get a lengthier prison
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sentence this time he's facing 10 to 15 in prison but think about that short period of time that we're talking about
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that he was out as a parole Le he's paroled early January this triple homicide takes place on the 15th and
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then on the 27th he's picking up three underage high school students and basically kidnapping them and taking
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them to his home they're lucky that they made it out of their alive and we we talk about some of these killers having
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these Black dead eyes one of the reasons that Anthony stuck out to anybody that ever talked to him anybody that ever met
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him is he has these lizard green eyes he is a distinctive looking individual you
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wouldn't confuse him for too many people too many other people in my humble opinion this case is is interesting but
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strange it's a weird case where some of the information here is lacking as far as the general public goes but the angle
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that is interesting to examine here is this guy how did he manage to fly under the radar and ultimately what we will
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learn about Walker is not only is he a person of interest in this triple homicide and then this other kidnapping
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and rape and murder that took place prior but this man ultimately will spend the overwhelming
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majority of his adult life in prison Behind Bars and it looks like Captain you can't let this man out for more than
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two or three days or a couple weeks and he starts to reoffend on all different kinds of levels yeah it makes you
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question the level of evil that he is or maybe the level of just not giving a [ __ ] and kudos to the Adrian Michigan
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Police department and those that assisted in this investigation because they never forgot about this triple
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homicide they never gave up on trying to find ways to come up with a good suspect
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one that they might even be able to take to trial to charge at some point but as
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the captain said this Tony Walker while he said some things that they thought were a bit incriminating and he he
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essentially puts himself on their radar by coming forward with this stolen gun that oh by the way the caliber matches
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the gun that was never found never located that was used in the triple homicide case he's got that alibi they
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can't put him at the murder scene they looked at a lot of people in this case and they went back time and time again
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and reined persons that lived in the neighborhood people that knew the women and as the captain informed me they went
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back and interviewed Tony Walker's Al multiple times throughout the years because it's
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in 2002 that technology is going to catch up with Tony Walker and they're going to
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find and be able to tell the state of Michigan comve and say we have Anthony Walker's DNA that puts him inside the
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murder house at some point in time now we need to find a way to link him to being in that house on the of the
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murders want to dive into that a little bit more this case like you said goes cold for a very long time I believe it
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was in 2001 a new detective comes onto the scene now because he's a local he was curious I want to look into this
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case myself and because it's now 2001 he's going well we have this Anthony guy what is he up to oh
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he's in prison okay so even though he has an alibi and he was one of our suspects well let's test his
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DNA but he was arrested and con and convicted and put in prison before the there was the law that you had to give
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your DNA so they're only going to get his DNA when he leaves prison and I think he's set to be released in like five
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years so they do have some time but not a lot of time because they know if you let this guy out he's going to murder
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again what's fascinating because they can do a search of his cell so they they do a search of his cell and they don't
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have to get a search warrant for that but to get his DNA they have to get a search warrant
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well the information they have or the evidence they have against Anthony is not enough to demand that he gives a DNA
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sample but there's a special law in Michigan that if you can prove multiple cases could be
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connected then there's some loophole there so basically they go well we think he's responsible for this triple
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homicide and we also think he's possibly responsible for this kidnapping and murder that happened years before that's
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how they're able to get the search warrant to get his DNA and to get a hair sample from
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Captain like I said it wasn't due to a lack of effort that they had a cold case on their hands yeah now what we do know
00:31:10
is that over the years the case got extremely complicated because of all of the effort that went into working this
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case because of the number of witnesses and the volumes of police reports written over the years they end up with
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more than 300 witnesses that were spoken to and named in 3,000 pages of police reports and reports by police that made
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their way to this giant police Cold Case homicide file in the early 2000s it's DNA that opened up the door for the
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investigators to start really honing in on Anthony Guy Walker and as you said he's already in prison but detectives
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have a problem though we have his DNA he he raped these victims mhm but because he has a solid Alibi if he's
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smart enough all he has to say is well no I had sex with him and it was consensual and I have an alibi for the
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time of the murders a little more on his timeline here so we know that Anthony Walker or Tony Walker was released from
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prison in June of 1993 but of course he only remained free very briefly he was charged with a violent sexual assault
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that occurred in December of 1994 in Wayne County Michigan eventually he's convicted of two counts of first-degree
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criminal sexual conduct using a weapon and was sentenced to life in prison me with a concurrent 15 to 30e prison term
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this is as said prior he's a habitual offender Michigan the state of Michigan has already labeled him as such and what
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have we seen seen time and time again from this individual is if you let him out of prison he will reoffend on a long
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enough timeline he will reoffend and this guy really doesn't even need that long of a timeline now DNA test put
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walker at the scene of the 1979 carry Madison murders Adrian police detectives opened a new door to decide to take
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these when they decided to take the victim's clothing and other evidence that they collected inside that home to
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the Michigan State Police laboratory for DNA testing this is going to take a lot
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of time here to break this man down and more importantly to break down his Alibi
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that was maintained by his girlfriend for all of these years yeah I I believe this guy is a complete psycho because
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not only was he raping and killing individuals outside of prison but during that search
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of his prison cell like I was talking about they found a huge list of the different men that he was either
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assaulting or that they were allowing him to do things to them in order for him to protect them Tony
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Walker from my understanding Captain never threatened his girlfriend never told her to I I don't know that he
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threatened her but she eventually changes her side of the story and says and admits the police no he wasn't with
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me let's dive into that real quick cuz this is what's important there's all these little pieces that add up and
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sometimes the hands of Justice move very slowly and in this case they move like quicksand slow right I don't know why
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they call it quicksand when it when it's slow in the 80s it felt like every action TV show there was always the
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threat of quicksand yeah here grab the stick grab the stick it's very very slow and and very slow in this case too so
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like we said you have this triple homicide and then you have the kidnapping and homicide that happened a
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couple years prior to the one in 1979 so by them connecting those two and saying
00:35:22
these are similar crimes we think these were the same offender they were able to
00:35:27
get his DNA so that puts him at the scene of the crime or puts them in contact with these victims but he has a
00:35:37
solid Alibi but during the search of his prison cell they find a list of men that
00:35:46
again they were trading sexual favors for his protection so they go find one of these guys and talk to him and say
00:35:56
did he ever talk to you about the uh like murders or crimes and he basically says oh yeah he kidnapped and killed
00:36:05
this one girl and left her on a farm and then there was this um you know what they called it double
00:36:13
homicide because he was just really talking about the the two adult victims correct but he told Anthony told this I
00:36:25
it wasn't his cellmate but he it was his mate if you know what I'm saying he said
00:36:30
to him you know I raped and killed these women and explained how he did it well because they never released that to the
00:36:41
public the detectives at that point now know our hunch and our evidence the DNA evidence is as good as gold but we still
00:36:51
have the problem of The Alibi so when they go back and then they present the information
00:36:58
to his ex-girlfriend or it might have been his wife at some point but it was his child's mother they can tell that
00:37:07
she's scared they eventually put pressure and say look we have enough evidence to put him away for the rest of
00:37:14
his life but the only thing that's holding this up is your Alibi but if that alibi holds up then he's going to
00:37:22
get out of prison in a couple years and then she changes her tune she says well look I bought this gun he took the gun
00:37:30
from me told me not to worry about it the murders took place he never told me he did the murders but he did say you're
00:37:39
going to have to cover for me on my whereabouts and we'll move a little faster than quicksand here in
00:37:46
this story and throughout this timeline here because it is an extensive timeline
00:37:51
we started 1975 and this thing goes decades long now one thing we need a clue here is
00:37:58
Daniel Stags age 40 was killed in prison he was incarcerated for armed robbery he
00:38:05
was stabbed to death and pronounced dead later at the wa foot Memorial Hospital the incident occurred in cell block 4 of
00:38:16
the prison of Southern Michigan where Tony Walker was serving his sentence at that time for the rape conviction I
00:38:24
couldn't find a list of suspects in this Daniel Stags prison murder but I'm guessing anybody serving time with him
00:38:32
or or access to cell block 4 would be considered a suspect by the corrections and by law enforcement at that time
00:38:41
right we go we go to 2010 after the 2002 detectives get the information about the DNA testing and
00:38:49
find his DNA and can prove that his DNA was at this murder house but it's going to take until 2010
00:38:57
to really start to try to wrap this nightmare up that had been just an open wound for this Adrian city of Adrian
00:39:06
Michigan for all of these years originally the way that this works is Tony Walker says yeah I know you guys
00:39:14
got evidence I know maybe you got my girlfriend or wife to flip on my alibi but I didn't do this he pleads not
00:39:22
guilty to the triple homicide he is going to fight this in court and in fact he says he's going to represent himself
00:39:30
well at some point he changes his strategy and eyes changes his tune yeah he takes on a public
00:39:40
defender who is going to represent him this process kind of drags on but what will ultimately end up happening is I
00:39:50
think the attorney convinced him like look they have a open and shut case on you my friend like you you are in big
00:39:57
trouble and you you might want to take kind of control of this situation by telling us all what happened eventually
00:40:04
he he's going to plead guilty to this homicide but he's also going to plead guilty to several other homicides some
00:40:11
in which he was not even a suspect in those investigations I think once he knew that his Goose was
00:40:20
cooked that it was just time for him to come clean but what's weird is you know before the sent ing they'll have the
00:40:28
victim's family and friends give statements yeah this guy old lizard eyes as he's getting handed down his sentence
00:40:38
all the detectives they're like you wouldn't have known if he was just getting a speeding ticket or getting put
00:40:45
it away for the rest of his life that's how nonchalant this guy is well and being
00:40:52
told that he's going back to prison is something that he's frankly used to right he it's not a big shocker to him
00:41:00
he's known all this time he's done these horrible things but he regularly getting
00:41:04
busted what what's bizarre here is that it feels like the crimes that he was able
00:41:13
to remain Elusive and go mostly undetected were the crimes that resulted in Murder the times that he kidnapped
00:41:24
and assaulted persons he he got event got picked up and got sentenced and sent off to prison for those crimes I think
00:41:32
that's because if you met this guy and you saw him and you saw those eyes you would never forget him so he would be an
00:41:41
easy person to identify and I don't know if this guy is a killer that just likeed to rape I
00:41:51
think he was a rapist that decided to cover up his Crimes by killing I agree agree and that's what I think was
00:41:58
missing from a lot of the public information regarding the triple homicide was it always read in the
00:42:05
reports that came out about it it always sounded like it was a robbery and and later when Walker ends up playing guilty
00:42:15
to this triple homicide he he describes it as such he says this was simply a robbery gone wrong and he lost control
00:42:24
of the two women and he had to kill them in fact the this is how terrible this guy is be even Beyond The Murders right
00:42:31
so even when he's admitting to all of his evil Deeds that he's carried out over the course of of any time that he's
00:42:40
let out of prison right he says yeah I killed the two women but I didn't kill the baby I didn't even set that house on
00:42:46
fire in fact he tell tries to tell police that no the brother that came to check on his sister that night he is
00:42:53
likely the one that set the fire that killed the baby ultimately he pleads guilty to these three murders even
00:42:59
though he says yeah I'll plead guilty to to the triple homicide but I I'm telling
00:43:04
you I didn't killed the baby didn't set the fire in a plea deal which I don't know what he got out of it may maybe but
00:43:14
what he ends up doing is Captain is he ends up ping guilty to The 1975 homicide that we discussed where
00:43:22
Arlene's body was found in the in the bean field right but he also pleads guilty to Daniel Stags now this is
00:43:32
confusing to me because there's there's several reports on this Daniel Stags murder some of the reports state that
00:43:39
Anthony Guy Walker plad guilty saying that he did that he committed the stabbing and then there's other reports
00:43:46
that state that he paid someone to kill Daniel Stacks right I'm thinking that it's likely that he like you said that
00:43:55
he was probably got some fa or somehow somebody paid him to kill Daniel Stags in prison but he also admits to killing
00:44:03
a guy named Floyd B who was found shot to death this so March of 1979 Floyd batty this man he lives in Manchester
00:44:13
Township he opens up his front door and he's gunned down what we end up learning
00:44:18
is that Walker said he was paid $2,000 to kill batty but would never reveal who paid him it's believed that it was a a
00:44:26
drug gang that paid him to kill this Floyd batty I'm wondering I couldn't find the information on what kind of
00:44:34
caliber was used to kill Floyd batty I was wondering if the murder weapon was the same from the January triple murder
00:44:42
because this guy's not out for very long how how much access did he have to we know he had access to this one
00:44:49
particular firearm yeah it seems like it's common knowledge that Anthony was a drug mule for a time period and then
00:44:59
eventually maybe became a Hitman for that same drug cartel if you will but supposedly when they go to this is
00:45:09
during the time period where he's just a drug mule and when he goes to the house
00:45:14
to buy the drugs the guy was kind of a old racist white guy and kept calling them boys or something and that pissed
00:45:24
off Anthony so after they made the drug deal he came back and shot him and I think he might have eventually confessed
00:45:34
to either a cellmate or maybe even to a detective because he said I came back to
00:45:41
shoot him because I thought screw this old racist white guy and when the guy opened up the door he starts shooting
00:45:48
him in the stomach I think he shot him multiple times and he said he enjoyed watching how his body flopped and danced
00:45:55
around his public defender was Robert Jameson who said that Walker decided to withdraw his earlier request to defend
00:46:05
himself in the case stating that he needed an attorney's expertise in dealing with the rules of evidence in
00:46:12
court procedures Jameson's the one that pointed out that this is an unusually complicated case well on top of that
00:46:20
they had to try to determine well is this man insane they ultimately determined that he is he's able to stand
00:46:29
trial but as said he pleads guilty after the guilty plea Walker is sentenced to three life sentences without the
00:46:36
possibility of parole for these murders but he was never even though he plad guilty or even though he confessed to
00:46:42
additional murders he was never charged so he's not charged for the saledo the batty or the Stags murders even though
00:46:50
he's confessed to committing these crimes over the years you see all this becomes complicated to me because
00:46:59
obviously those victims families and friends deserve answers yeah but as far as law enforcement goes you go well we
00:47:09
got the guy and and we see in in the triple homicide case you're talking about what 20 some years to put all the
00:47:18
pieces of the puzzle together so if in these other cases that he's saying well I I did it but if they
00:47:26
don't have enough of the pieces to put together it's like how much manour are you going to devote to those cases to
00:47:36
try to close them when you know that the guy is behind bars for the rest of his life plus the rest of his uh inner
00:47:46
demons life well they'll be able to clear those cases technically they're not going to continue to work them this
00:47:54
guy's in prison as you said for the rest of his life unless unless some really great evidence falls into their laps I I
00:48:02
don't think we're working these cases anymore now his public defender will go on to
00:48:08
say that this is this man's attorney who says I'm pretty sure he's murdered other
00:48:14
people right and and in fact Tony Walker and we look we do know that some of these serial killers are one thing that
00:48:21
they all have in common is they are liars they constantly lie they constantly make up stories and we do
00:48:28
know that some of them will become serial confessors right they'll start confessing to crimes that maybe they
00:48:34
didn't con actually commit because they want some kind of notoriety he does appear to want some kind of notoriety
00:48:42
this Tony Walker in fact yeah see I don't know if it's that he wants notoriety or if it's like I said earlier
00:48:49
his his goose is cooked so it's like might as well just tell people what happened and and his his kill count
00:48:57
could be could be really large because like I said I think his motivation is the rape to cover up the
00:49:08
rape he murders but if he was a drug mule for a time period Well was there any murders that took place during that
00:49:15
time he drug mule there's one that he talks about shooting the guy in the stomach and watching him flop around
00:49:21
like a fish and dance around but then then he's the one that tells cellmates and law enforcement
00:49:27
yeah well after I was a drug mule I became a Hitman for that group okay so how many murders took place because he
00:49:35
raped somebody and then tried to cover it up and how many murders were just because I was paid to kill that person
00:49:42
and then how many murders took place in prison because he was getting sexual favors in exchange for protecting those
00:49:51
individuals and he does kind of brag about his crimes in a way because he says yes I murdered a lot of people some
00:49:58
were for pay and some were for pleasure so his guilty plea and admissions in lenaway County effectively clear up six
00:50:07
homicides although Tony Walker according to his attorney Mr Jameson he says Tony
00:50:14
might be responsible for two dozen others and says that he was provided by Walker with dates places and
00:50:23
descriptions of people that he killed and as the captain said he said some of these were hired by drug dealers to to
00:50:30
kill and Drug gangs to kill or others that he chose to murder on his own Jameson goes on to say this person
00:50:38
Anthony Walker is more prolific of a murderer than Ted Bundy Walker killed seven people before he turned 18 is the
00:50:46
claim that Mr Jameson States now it was difficult one thing we hope to do when we set out to take a
00:50:55
good look at Tony Walker or Red Walker is to try to connect him to any other outstanding homicides I hope that police
00:51:05
have some information Jameson says that he's given this information to the proper authorities to see what they can
00:51:12
do with it my guess here Captain is that the information is lacking or maybe it's
00:51:18
similar to some of these cases that he confesses to but there simply was no evidence they just may not have any
00:51:26
evidence on some of these cases but let's talk about one here so there's one case that we might be able to connect
00:51:35
him to and I want to read this this is straight from the newspaper so it says Focus shifts to Star witness as suspect
00:51:45
and rape this is out of the Detroit News an article by an Sweeney and it says the
00:51:52
accused killer in a brutal Westside slaying has been freed on bond after a defense attorney convinced a judge that
00:51:58
a bite mark linking his client to the murder could have been made instead by the prosecution's star
00:52:06
witness before his release Rick Amal spent the last 10 months in Wayne County Jail he was awaiting trial for
00:52:16
the murder of his 34-year-old girlfriend Jane fry so investigators said that an imprint of teeth left by the as salent
00:52:25
on Frey's left cheek tied the boyfriend to The Killing but perhaps at trial the strongest evidence was or but perhaps
00:52:34
the strongest evidence to lead to arresting this man was a statement given to police by Anthony Guy Walker this is
00:52:40
Fry's next door neighbor he lives next door to them and according to reports Walker said that he
00:52:48
saw the boyfriend's car parked outside of Frey's home and heard an argument in the early morning
00:52:54
hours prior to to Frey's death and Walker notified Frey's family of possible trouble and accompanied her
00:53:02
mother inside when the mother found the body and this poor woman had been stabbed 22 times in her chest and neck
00:53:10
the killer left the knife jammed in her mouth later of course when they find out
00:53:15
really what this walker guy is capable of the horrific horrible sexual assaults rape murder kidnapping that this guy has
00:53:26
done time and time again all he makes a far better suspect in this homicide case
00:53:33
than the boyfriend does So eventually they they release the boyfriend because suddenly he doesn't look so good well
00:53:41
I'm going to get a little graphic here but in the triple homicide the first victim after he raped her and she's
00:53:50
bound he raped the victims and then put their clothes back on he has the victim bound and he places the gun inside of
00:54:03
her mouth before he pulls the trigger which I would say is exactly what you just
00:54:10
described with that knife just with a gun that is what some would describe as a special kind of evil I mean really a
00:54:19
unique level of evil and then in this case that this outstanding case here of Jane fry we have the defense
00:54:31
attorney for the boyfriend who outwardly says and tells the judge and the judge must agree because they let the
00:54:38
boyfriend out of jail and it's he says openly my client didn't do this murder Anthony Guy Walker the man who was
00:54:48
willing to testify against him is the perpetrator of this murder I don't know what else will come of this here Captain
00:54:57
I I don't know we we have an interesting situation because we have a man who will
00:55:04
never be let out of prison he doesn't seem to have any problem being in prison he seems to thrive there he's willing to
00:55:13
commit murder while behind bars if you let him out he's only out at periods of of his adult life the most it
00:55:22
appears that he was ever out at one time was maybe close to two years but he cannot stop himself from committing
00:55:30
horrific acts of evil when as soon as he's let out of prison he's paroled in early January he kills these three
00:55:38
people on the 15th of January and oh by the way guns down another man shortly after that yeah and then a couple weeks
00:55:45
after that he kidnaps three teenagers I mean this is a whole different level and
00:55:51
and I'm I think it's actually interesting that his attorney kind of Compares him to
00:55:59
Bundy because yes Bundy horrible evil individual but think about how psycho how evil how tough this
00:56:14
individual has to be if once he's put into a prison with other animals he becomes the protector of those animals
00:56:27
that's a psycho that is somebody you would not want to be alone with in a cell or in a
00:56:35
room we need more information on this guy because as his attorney pointed out that he may have killed a dozen more
00:56:43
people and I said he's provided as much information as he can to the proper channels regarding statements that his
00:56:52
client gave to him I I don't I can't get a good handle on this walker guy though
00:56:58
because while we have situations where he pleads guilty he even openly tells us about other murders that he may have had
00:57:07
a a connection to but but eventually says that he he did commit them he doesn't obviously admit to everything
00:57:15
and he's lacking in providing details in a lot of these cases so I I don't know how to Peg this dude because it's do I
00:57:25
believe that he committed these other murders maybe up to a dozen he's certainly evil enough he's certainly
00:57:30
capable of it but is he just trying to make a name for himself now that he knows that he's locked away for
00:57:38
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